I really wanted those as a kid :lol My mother refused to buy them for me.
I could almost dunk, could dunk with a tennisball. If I had 2 more inches from those shoes, it would have changed my life.
Even Jordan couldn't win until he had an elite team and the powers from the 80's were either extinct or on their last legs. Most of the time the cream rises to the top and the elite players win the title, but so often winning a championship comes down to circumstances and lucky breaks that are out of a players control, which is why I don't like...
He just looked really bad in that Minny series.
It showed some serious weaknesses in his game that seem exploitable going forward.
In any case, they can keep him if it doesn't stop them from getting some good backup players.
The point is more that even the most dominant center ever, couldn't just go off and average 40 ppg if needed. It takes a team. Jokic can't just go off and do that either.
Jordan could do that and that's why he is GOAT.
Okay but it's the exact kind of thing people would completely dismiss other players from being top 10 for. "Four years with no playoff series wins in his prime, hell no."
It's literally a worse and more damning indictment than "durr, 4 for 10 in finals, he cant be da G0at!"
But nobody ever uses it. EVAAAA.
Well, Kobe was not the only sidekick in 2000.
Of the top of my head:
Ron Harper
Rick Fox
Glenn Rice
Robbert Horry
That's a pretty damn strong supporting cast, even without Kobe. Glenn Rice in particular was big time and still in his prime.
MPJ was the 3rd leading scorer at 16 PPG on good efficiency.
I doubt you're going to trade him for that easily. Better than him starts to creep into "star" territory.
I just mentioned in another thread the shocking amount of mediocre playoff series Bird had that never get talked about, the fact is guys that came before the internet/social media age caught a huge break in that all their failures weren't documented permanently in real time for all the world to see. That's an advantage pre 2000's players will...
My point is if you ask someone today to critique those players... they're going to include every failure and caveat under the sun. People yesterday were saying Jokic was eliminated from the top 10 because he had a mediocre second half to last night's game.
I have NEVER heard anyone mention Hakeem's four year playoff drought in his prime. He...
I don’t really see hakeem over duncan very much, that is definitely an outside opinion
To be simplistic he had an insane peak and people like to FMVP count. And he has 2x that of jokic.
Nah, Duncan is consistently ranked ahead of Hakeem, who's usually in the fringe top 10 range. The guy does have 2 titles, 2 FMVP's and made 3 Finals, which is worst case as good, if not better, than virtually anybody else outside the top 10. It's not just the titles, his peak during those years (and '93 too) was legitimately as dominant as any...
I think the thinking is who cares who the backup Center is when you will never play 2 Centers at once and Jokic will play at least 38 minutes in the playoffs (that's literally his career MPG).
Doesn't make sense to invest heavily for 10 minutes.
At the time we had something you guys call 'communism' in Eastern Europe. It was half- assed socialism or a malfunctioning state-corporatism but it doesn't matter. The whole ideology was that group above all. Of course it was a lie, but a very often repeated lie. We all wanted more individualism at the time. In retrospect... well, we all die in...
Gobert's playoff career high is 4 assists. Gobert has a 72% assisted FG rate over his playoff career. Why do you feel the need to lie to get your point across?
Gobert does not have in his skill set to find the open man, nor create for himself. He can draw fouls, but cannot hit them consistently, only if he's lucky.
This takes nothing away...
Narrative be hakeem took the leap from just an all time great to one of the best peaks of all time and his team got better. That was narrative back then and now. Realgm gave him a top 5 peak I think. Current guys have also been excused for not winning with no help. Jokic 22 being a recent examine
I would overreact and trade MPJ but that's mostly because he just doesn't give you anything but 3 point shooting, which admittedly he can do at an elite level when dialed in.
And yet, they were in a game 7 for the western conference finals, so it's not as if they really suck.
I agree they definitely need a backup center and a big forward,...
Usually ahead of Duncan, Kobe, Curry, Jokic, Durant, sometimes ahead of Shaq, and even on completely retarded occasions ahead of Lebron.
Somehow the Hakeem mystique has ensured nobody from later generations can pass him, even tho his playoff success is FAR more inconsistent than many of today's greats, despite a weaker era. And yet playoff...
sounds like a good coach. individual recognition has destroyed american sports and selfishness in general has accelerated the decay of our society. open social media and it;s just "me, me, me".
thank you. this is all i was asking. most people on this board cannot, or out of ill will choose to not grasp this concept since it's entertaining for them to 'troll'.
When I was 14, we played in the Final 4 tournament for the National Title in Hungary for that age group. We didn't win and I'm not sure if we finished 2nd or 3rd. (It was a double round robin.) Anyway, I was selected as the MVP of the tournament. My coach made me not accept the award (and I was really angry with him for this at the time). He was...
Black hole, didn't play well with others, settled for jumpers too often. Inconsistent player in general.
When he was motivated and his jumper was on he was unstoppable. A lot of the time one or the other was missing.
You know scoring has inflated but most of that discussion is around superstars in different eras. It affects other guys too. 24ppg is enough for an all star but Jamal only does that during the playoffs doesn’t matter for the all star game. Jamal was 17th in scoring in just the west this year, 21ppg is no longer good enough to make the all star...