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So which will hold more weight over time? If you're a mid-season champion but lose the NBA Championship, what are you? What did you accomplish? Are we comparing that across eras? It's not about what the fans think, it's about what teams think. If teams sit their stars for these mid-season tournaments to rest them for the playoffs, then that's...

OKC without SGA would be in the running too.

That was @ 1987_Fakers not at you

JJ Barrea

I never said that. Try to make a coherent point.

Trash Young has regressed. Embarassing. Hawks may play genuinely better and as a team with Jamal Murray at the helm

Yep, missed that one. Tony Parker too.

Guess what, OP. Jordan never led a super team to the lottery. Keep crying. :lol

I'd look it up myself if I had time to right now but I have other things to do. If I remember correctly Manny pointed out to Angry Apu that on/off numbers said that Jaylen Brown was a net negative but he didn't account for the lineups. So that might be one example of why I'm asking what were the lineups when Jokic sat. If Jamal Murray and MPJ...

Kings always give us trouble tho

Well Vince was the face of Toronto and Orlando is around where McGrady is from so he wanted to be the face of the Magic. Really it was supposed to be a 1A/1B scenario but it never happened

Jokic is not more skilled than Hakeem or prime Sabonis. Try again.

3ball is defeated. He quit the forums publicly, vowed never to come back twice. And came back each time in agony. He had a massive meltdown the night LeBron became greatest scorer ever. He self bans himself and comes back. Defeat written all over his posts. I have no need to stick the dagger further into an already dying and wounded...

You realize that any non-role player is going to see numbers reduce to a certain extent with any high scorer...right? Also, as you play better teams...things get harder. I'm not sure how many points you are expecting Brunson to score next to a 30 ppg scorer. Seems to me that scoring around 20 a game...especially with a 3rd scorer like Widdie who...

You seem sick of it yet allow it to continue for 10 years. I personally enjoy 3ball meltdown threads.

McHale is not more skilled than most of the guys listed but you don't know basketball so it's not surprising. He's around their relative skill level. Giannis isn't anywhere close in an era where it's easier to score. Wilt didn't have much skill? :roll: Learn basketball you're way out of your depth, like always. Poverty IQ takes.

and Tony Parker

Jason Terry

Has any opinion changed? Seeing Giannis vs Barkley/Malone thread.

Brunson played his best basketball before Luka came back in the Utah series, his numbers in the Phoenix & Warriors series were way down From what I have seen of Kyrie and Luka together I feel Kyrie spends a lot of the time standing around in the corner when Luka has the ball, there's no real ball movement or teamwork being played that's why...

By truth you mean tired trolling that everyone has already heard 500 times? There is literally no basketball fan over the age of 20 that doesn't know the Bulls didn't dominate until the 90s. So? And why are you acting like the league was somehow watered down from 80 to 90. Well I know the real reason wh8ch is to stan Lebron. But what actual logic...

The bold is a really good point. He diminishes the insane skillset of Jokic on offense, straight up lies about his supporting cast, and ignores how much better the Nuggets are on offense and defense with Jokic on the court. If Giannis can't be as good as guys like Dirk because of the skillset difference...how the **** does he not have Jokic...

How many times can I say the same thing to you nearly Word for Word before you would stop responding as if I’m trying to have a genuine conversation? Three? Six? It certainly wouldn’t be anywhere near as many times as he does it. I bet if I walked up to you and made the same point about Jamal Crawford or Jimmy Butler…26 times? You’d assume I...

I don't think it was VCs shadow, considering he was gonna be behind Grant Hills shadow. He was supposed to be Hills sidekick. Not sure what was really going on in Canada. He wasn't even a starter was definitely option 2 by his 3rd season.

That is your conclusion after last year with Brunson? Brunson averaged 22/5/4 in the playoffs last year next to Luka and they made the Western Finals with limited help around them. Your argument is that Brunson was reduced to a role player in the playoffs last year? Sorry, that just isn't true. I mean...I get the point, but you kind of have to...

It takes time to build a dynasty from scratch. MJ won his first title in his seventh season (sixth full season). Isiah was drafted in 1981 and won in his eighth season. It took Dr. J seven years to win with the Sixers. Olajuwon won in his tenth season. It took Shaq eight years and two teams to win. It took LeBron nine years and two teams. ...

The problem with analysis like this is that you only focus on the skill deficits of Giannis and ignore everything that makes him so dominant. It is like saying Shaq wasn't that great because he had a "limited scoring skillset" Giannis is not perfect and has his share of flaws, but he is a dominant two-way force...and for all that lacking...

They never learn :grin:

Doesn’t have any ability to play defense or play off ball. Seems unwilling to try or learn these things too. Get him out.