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That is a separate argument. This discussion is about offense. Try to keep up.

Yet he could completely take over and control games on both ends of the floor simultaneously. Joker could never dream of controlling a game defensively.

20 odd years ago I came to the conclusion that Bill Russell = Ben Wallace just looking at numbers. How stupid young people can be.:facepalm

Points are points. Wilkes and kareem werent winning until the rook sgowed up

I don't need to tread carefully when Jokic's numbers are double Hakeem's. :lol During Hakeems title runs he scored only a few points more than Jokic's career playoff average, with barely more than half the assists and worse efficiency. If someone wants to say Hakeem was a better player overall i would disagree but wouldn't care enough to...

I was so mad the magic drafted oladipo over this guy

Wilkes put up 37-10 and was LA's leading scorer until Magic was getting hacked on purpose which led to FTA's

Kareem was out. Magic scored 42 or something. Anyone think someone else carried them? :coleman:

Don't care who you think carried who.... just letting you know your post I quoted earlier is a myth.

I.mentioned this earlier a few pages back, but you took a sledgehammer to it.:applause: Also I supposed the winning spotlight made Scottie an all star in 90 and made him all defense in 91, before rhey ever won too.....stupid narratives always get torpedoed once someone can be bothered to give facts.

Him carrying them to a title as a rookie without kareem who couldnt carry them on the sidelines a myth too?

Looking at the rosters the biggestvdifference i see between 91-92 and the previous yearbis stockton finally had a backup that didnt suck. Of course they traded him. Makes sense that your ofrtg would go up if you dont suck when your hofer goes to the bench which was the case for much of his career

He reminds everyone of that. He's already the best player on the Blazers. Calling it right now, future superstar.

The best offense i ever saw from them was under the comedian as the out ran showtime in the 88 playoffs. Stockton with thurl and malone running alongside while eaton stayed at one end of the floor using his great skill to hold his arms above his head.

You hear more talks about the '90's Bulls in particular the '96 version being an all-time great defense. 1996 Bulls: 101.8 DRTG League average: 107.6 DRTG Net: +5.8 1989 Jazz: 101.5 DRTG League Average: 107.8 DRTG Net: +6.3

accomplishments trump has done since in office 1) i will finish wall * no word if he communicated with indian tribes about holes 2) i will resolve russian war in 24 hours * i guess he didn't have as good a friend as putin as he thought 3) gas and eggs and our economy will be better * guess he hasn't seen my grocery bills

on that site , who is the most accomplished player ??

correct Ewing was a beast for thompson as a defender at georgetown... I was shocked at his offensive game when he hit the pros ... as a complete player i would take ewing over joel any day of the week.. felt sorry for ewing not getting a ring.. which kinda of puts him in the bob lanier catagory.

Or maybe you can't expect much offensive production with this guy as your head coach Jazz offense instantly became better under Sloan. Hell, in '92 they were the #4 offense with a 35 year old Eaton starting 81 games that year.

The Big Dumper does it again! Are we really about to see a 60 HR season from a catcher?! I know Judge is doing stupid things but it’s tough not to look at Cal for MVP.

You're arguing that these guys got all-nba nods specifically because of titles won granting them a 'winning spotlight' , but here's some interesting nuggets of info showing all-nba voting patterns for these players: Klay made his first all-nba third team for the 2015 season, which is determined before the champion is crowned in June. So in...

It just shows how bad their offense was. 21st ranked offense in '85 & '87, (out of 23 teams). Below average offense in '88 & '89. Not once did they yield an average offense at least.

Early 80's Magic wasn't bad. He got way worse as he aged. By the early 90's, he was damn near atrocious.

That is actually the biggest case against Lebron outside of the accolades in any Jordan debate. He's underdelivered/been outplayed in so many series in his career.

Is there any version of Magic playing defense?

You're actually r*tarded

Magic playing center that game is a myth. He repped LA on the opening tip and that was the extent of it.

Thats Ai honey

Cant expect much when you arr playing 4 on 5 offensively because eaton being tall and holding his arms above hos head doesnt work the same at the other end of the floor. Theres a reason their best years came after he had to retire