Top 10 SGs in current NBA

[Kiddlovesnets]

Following this thread: Top 10 PGs in current NBA (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=98322)

1. Kobe Bryant: Best SG in current NBA indeed. Kobe is still in his prime and the Lakers will be a serious title contender again this year. The next goal for Bryant is to defend his Regular season MVP award.
Predicted Stats For Next Season: 28.3 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 5.6 apg

2. Manu Ginobili: The guard who plays the most similar B-Ball game as Michael Jordan. Manu will continue to be a beast and his number will likely to increase a little bit with Tim Duncan getting old.
Predicted Stats For Next Season: 21.5 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 5.8 apg

3. Allen Iverson: Iverson seemed to be still in his prime even at 33-year-old. He was actually playing with injured fingers while still ranked top 3 in scoring last season. One of the best combo guards in NBA history.
Predicted Stats For Next Season: 24.2 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 7.1 apg

4. Dwayne Wade: Wade is still as awesome as he was and his performance in Team USA makes it arguable whether he deserves to be top 3 SG, but we'd better wait till he's capable of playing a completed season.
Predicted Stats For Next Season: 26.7 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 8.4 apg

5. Tracey Mcgrady: Mcgrady is one of the most talented players in NBA, but he's also blamed to never possess the ability to carry a team on his shoulder. Will he eventually get passed the first round after Artest's trade?
Predicted Stats For Next Season: 22.1 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 7.0 apg

6. Ray Allen: Allen finally got his first ring as a Celtic and many experts believe that this is simply the beginning of another Boston Dynasty. Allen will soon pass his prime so maybe his position will drop after next season.
Predicted Stats For Next Season: 18.4 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 4.8 apg

7. Vince Carter: Carter is still skillful at age 30 and it's still pretty much entertaining to watch him shooting and dunking. However, is Carter capable of leading a young team like the Nets with Kidd and RJ's departure?
Predicted Stats For Next Season: 24.9 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 6.3 apg

8. Joe Johnson: Johnson has proved how ridiculous the Suns were to give him up for merely a Boris Diaw. He's now the leader of Atlanta Hawks who almost upset the defending champ Boston Celtics.
Predicted Stats For Next Season: 23.0 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 5.5 apg

9. Michael Redd: Redd is regarded as the second best Superstar Shooter (second only to Ray Allen) in current NBA. He's regarded as the only pure shooter in Team USA and who knows when he'll break out?
Predicted Stats For Next Season: 20.6 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 2.1 apg

10. Brandon Roy: I'd rank Roy as No.10 since he's still way too young to prove himself to be elite, but sky is the limit of this kid. Roy is already capable of leading the Trailblazers to a decent record as a Sophomore.
Predicted Stats For Next Season: 20.8 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 7.5 apg

Other Candidates: Jason Richardson, Richard Hamilton, Monta Ellis and Kevin Martin.

[Maniak]

Iverson ahead of T-mac and wade? :oldlol:

Iverson is a cancer and always will be.

cancers lead a team to playoffs? hmmm, how about that

[stewen12]

HAHAHAHAHAHA :roll:

since Wade isnt Top 2 this thread deserves to be deleted.

How is iverson and manu ahead of both Wade and Tmac.

How is Manu the closet player to play like Jordan??? I would have to say wade is!!!

Why is Ray Allen 6 hes old and not that productive anymore

WHy is Brandon Roy Top? Hes better than half the people on that list?

terrible list IMO

[ruslan]

Iverson ahead of T-mac and wade? :oldlol:

Iverson is a cancer and always will be.

wow this bum is an idiot. like t mac has done more than AI.....and wade won 15 games last season...AI has better stats than both and better record than Wade, why are u even asking this question......i guess your a hater :confusedshrug:

[stewen12]

u also predict Wade's stats to be the best next season but hes only 4th???

[ruslan]

lol @ threadstarter saying manu plays similar game to MJ. show me some evidence :confusedshrug:

[ruslan]

Funny how when Iverson left philly, Philly looms into a playoff team, when iverson's last 2 years in Philly he couldn't even get to the playoffs.

tmac is second round virgin, i would not be talking

philly loomed into playoffs with negative record in the conference where hawks were 37-45 and still made the playoffs. wow ur an idiot

[stewen12]

so whats its a true post

Iverson had all the talent in the world on his team in Denver but now they traded everybody away!

[Rekindled]

1 kobe
2 wade
3 manu
4 AI
5 tmac

[Kiddlovesnets]

HAHAHAHAHAHA :roll:

since Wade isnt Top 2 this thread deserves to be deleted.

How is iverson and manu ahead of both Wade and Tmac.

How is Manu the closet player to play like Jordan??? I would have to say wade is!!!

Why is Ray Allen 6 hes old and not that productive anymore

WHy is Brandon Roy Top? Hes better than half the people on that list?

terrible list IMO

1. For Dwayne Wade, it's better wait and see how good he can be in NBA since he hasn't even played a completed season since 2006.

2. Iverson and Manu are better than T-Mac according to majority of the people on ISH, considering both of them have reached NBA finals.

3. Manu is the closest player to Michael Jordan in current NBA, too bad you don't realize this point at all.

4. The fact that Ray Allen is not as productive as he was is largely due to his role in Celtics. Even Kevin Garnett's stats dropped considerably in Boston last season.

[ruslan]

And your point is? Iverson didn't make the Nuggets any better, but when he left the 76ers, the 76ers got better by a lot.

Allen Iverson also dominates the ball too much and never feeds it to the teammates like he promised when he got to Denver, He said he wants to show everybody he is a good playmaker that is full of b.s

lol explain how nuggets didn't get better? they won 50 games, the most in 20 years and made the playoffs as 8th seed in tough conference. so exactly how did they not get better? if it wasn't for iverson denver would be a lottery team without a doubt.

philly got better by a lot :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :applause: took you long enough to think of that? they had negative record. if you consider that better gtfoh idiot.

[ruslan]

so whats its a true post

Iverson had all the talent in the world on his team in Denver but now they traded everybody away!

yep its iverson's fault the management and coaching is bunch of sore losers :applause:

[ruslan]

1. For Dwayne Wade, it's better wait and see how good he can be in NBA since he hasn't even played a completed season since 2006.

2. Iverson and Manu are better than T-Mac according to majority of the people on ISH, considering both of them have reached NBA finals.

3. Manu is the closest player to Michael Jordan in current NBA, too bad you don't realize this point at all.

4. The fact that Ray Allen is not as productive as he was is largely due to his role in Celtics. Even Kevin Garnett's stats dropped considerably in Boston last season.

explain how manu is the closest player to MJ.

[stewen12]

3. Manu is the closest player to Michael Jordan in current NBA, too bad you don't realize this point at all.


Does anybody in the world realize it?? Please Prove IT

[ruslan]

Does anybody in the world realize it?? Please Prove IT

he's an idiot

[ruslan]

06-07 76ers
35-47
07-08
40-42
06-07 Nuggets
45-37
07-08
50-32

Remember that A.I was traded in the middle of teh season and the 76ers still loomed after that trade during that season of 06-07.

do u consider the fact nuggets play in west and sixers play in the east? :banghead:

[iamgine]

The real list:

Kobe
Wade
Manu
T-Mac
Joe Johnson
Carter
Iverson
Roy
Ray Allen
J-Rich

[ruslan]

The real list:

Kobe
Wade
Manu
T-Mac
Joe Johnson
Carter
Iverson
Roy
Ray Allen
J-Rich

lol manu jj and vc over AI. lol really lol :oldlol: :roll: :roll:

[ruslan]

Why does that matter so much?

The fact is the 76ers got better when Iverson left, Your excuses are lame, Melo and Iverson was supposely a deadly duo, but nobody was scared of There Enver Nuggets team.

are u serious? it matters because when u play tougher teams u are going to have tougher times beating them u retard.....somebody plz tell me he's just joking:banghead:

[1~Gibson~1]

What are you guys arguing about?

[ruslan]

Whatever makes you sleep at night you iverson lover.

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t250/KillaKastro_2007/6fhaxc6.jpg

:applause: :applause:

[ruslan]

he believes Iverson is better than T-Mac, Ginobili and wade. I tend to disagree and Iverson is a cancer.

lol ai murders them easily as individuals. talk to me when tmac gets out of first round. manu playing with best pf of all time and wade hasnt done **** since winning a chip with shaq and stacked team. 15 wins last season says it all....ur an idiot, im done wasting my time with this bum :sleeping

[doinitbig06]

Following this thread: Top 10 PGs in current NBA (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=98322)

1. Kobe Bryant: Best SG in current NBA indeed. Kobe is still in his prime and the Lakers will be a serious title contender again this year. The next goal for Bryant is to defend his Regular season MVP award.
Predicted Stats For Next Season: 28.3 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 5.6 apg

2. Manu Ginobili: The guard who plays the most similar B-Ball game as Michael Jordan. Manu will continue to be a beast and his number will likely to increase a little bit with Tim Duncan getting old.
Predicted Stats For Next Season: 21.5 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 5.8 apg

3. Allen Iverson: Iverson seemed to be still in his prime even at 33-year-old. He was actually playing with injured fingers while still ranked top 3 in scoring last season. One of the best combo guards in NBA history.
Predicted Stats For Next Season: 24.2 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 7.1 apg

4. Dwayne Wade: Wade is still as awesome as he was and his performance in Team USA makes it arguable whether he deserves to be top 3 SG, but we'd better wait till he's capable of playing a completed season.
Predicted Stats For Next Season: 26.7 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 8.4 apg

5. Tracey Mcgrady: Mcgrady is one of the most talented players in NBA, but he's also blamed to never possess the ability to carry a team on his shoulder. Will he eventually get passed the first round after Artest's trade?
Predicted Stats For Next Season: 22.1 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 7.0 apg

6. Ray Allen: Allen finally got his first ring as a Celtic and many experts believe that this is simply the beginning of another Boston Dynasty. Allen will soon pass his prime so maybe his position will drop after next season.
Predicted Stats For Next Season: 18.4 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 4.8 apg

7. Vince Carter: Carter is still skillful at age 30 and it's still pretty much entertaining to watch him shooting and dunking. However, is Carter capable of leading a young team like the Nets with Kidd and RJ's departure?
Predicted Stats For Next Season: 24.9 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 6.3 apg

8. Joe Johnson: Johnson has proved how ridiculous the Suns were to give him up for merely a Boris Diaw. He's now the leader of Atlanta Hawks who almost upset the defending champ Boston Celtics.
Predicted Stats For Next Season: 23.0 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 5.5 apg

9. Michael Redd: Redd is regarded as the second best Superstar Shooter (second only to Ray Allen) in current NBA. He's regarded as the only pure shooter in Team USA and who knows when he'll break out?
Predicted Stats For Next Season: 20.6 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 2.1 apg

10. Brandon Roy: I'd rank Roy as No.10 since he's still way too young to prove himself to be elite, but sky is the limit of this kid. Roy is already capable of leading the Trailblazers to a decent record as a Sophomore.
Predicted Stats For Next Season: 20.8 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 7.5 apg

Other Candidates: Jason Richardson, Richard Hamilton, Monta Ellis and Kevin Martin.

i have a serious problem with you comparing manu ginobili to micheal jordan, that is like a serious basketball sin, MANU CANNOT HOLD A CANDLE TO JORDNA IN ANY WAY SHAPE FORM OR FASHION, just cuz he won 3 rings as the starting SG for the NBA favored Spurs, he can never be compared to the greatest player of all time, he has never been a leader on a team, he has never been an MVP, never been a DPOY, never been a Finals MVP, never averaged 30+ let alone 37.1 ppg, u are commiting basketball treason with a crackhead statement like that, manu closest to jordan well i guess jose calderson is the next magic johnson, fool.

besides that, i agree with most else on this list, why do people hate on allen iverson? he revloutionalized basketball in the biggest way since micheal jordan, thats a worthy comparison, people keep tryin 2 say he is not a PG are just looking for reasons to discredit one of the greatest guards of the 21st century, he will definetly win a ring at some point in his career

joe johnson earned his rightful place on this list

i agree with everything else

[ruslan]

i have a serious problem with you comparing manu ginobili to micheal jordan, that is like a serious basketball sin, MANU CANNOT HOLD A CANDLE TO JORDNA IN ANY WAY SHAPE FORM OR FASHION, just cuz he won 3 rings as the starting SG for the NBA favored Spurs, he can never be compared to the greatest player of all time, he has never been a leader on a team, he has never been an MVP, never been a DPOY, never been a Finals MVP, never averaged 30+ let alone 37.1 ppg, u are commiting basketball treason with a crackhead statement like that, manu closest to jordan well i guess jose calderson is the next magic johnson, fool.

besides that, i agree with most else on this list, why do people hate on allen iverson? he revloutionalized basketball in the biggest way since micheal jordan, thats a worthy comparison, people keep tryin 2 say he is not a PG are just looking for reasons to discredit one of the greatest guards of the 21st century, he will definetly win a ring at some point in his career

joe johnson earned his rightful place on this list

i agree with everything else

i respect people who know their **** :applause:

[doinitbig06]

he believes Iverson is better than T-Mac, Ginobili and wade. I tend to disagree and Iverson is a cancer.

i believe t-mac is a cancer, and when the rockets dont pass the first round AGAIN in 09, they are going to trade him and re-sign ron artest, THEN the rockets might do sumthin :lol:

[doinitbig06]

i respect people who know their **** :applause:

respect, my brother

some of us can have civil basketball discussion, debate without being brainwashed by our bias

and i still believe the hawks will win 45+ games this season :D

[Rekindled]

i have a serious problem with you comparing manu ginobili to micheal jordan, that is like a serious basketball sin, MANU CANNOT HOLD A CANDLE TO JORDNA IN ANY WAY SHAPE FORM OR FASHION, just cuz he won 3 rings as the starting SG for the NBA favored Spurs, he can never be compared to the greatest player of all time, he has never been a leader on a team, he has never been an MVP, never been a DPOY, never been a Finals MVP, never averaged 30+ let alone 37.1 ppg, u are commiting basketball treason with a crackhead statement like that, manu closest to jordan well i guess jose calderson is the next magic johnson, fool.

besides that, i agree with most else on this list, why do people hate on allen iverson? he revloutionalized basketball in the biggest way since micheal jordan, thats a worthy comparison, people keep tryin 2 say he is not a PG are just looking for reasons to discredit one of the greatest guards of the 21st century, he will definetly win a ring at some point in his career

joe johnson earned his rightful place on this list

i agree with everything else

wrong, he lead argentina to beat team usa and got gold medal in 2004 and was named mvp of olympic tournament.

But yeah, he is not close to jordan. Jordan would murder him in every possible ways. And their play styles are very different. THe closest player to jordan is kobe.

[lil baller]

how is a sixth man better than a starter???manu better than wade?....that is bad

[mrhoopfan]

HAHAHAHAHAHA :roll:

since Wade isnt Top 2 this thread deserves to be deleted.

How is iverson and manu ahead of both Wade and Tmac.

How is Manu the closet player to play like Jordan??? I would have to say wade is!!!

Why is Ray Allen 6 hes old and not that productive anymore

WHy is Brandon Roy Top? Hes better than half the people on that list?

terrible list IMO



Ditto! Hopefully this is a list rather than a ranking.

[iamgine]

lol manu jj and vc over AI. lol really lol :oldlol: :roll: :roll:
VC and JJ is arguable but Manu is definitely over AI.

[SayTownRy]

how is a sixth man better than a starter???manu better than wade?....that is bad

he doesn't come off the bench cause he's the 6th best player on the team :banghead:

[Noob Saibot]

manu is NOT the 2nd best SG.

Ray Allen aint better than VC.

Wade & Iverson should be #2.

[juju151111]

1. For Dwayne Wade, it's better wait and see how good he can be in NBA since he hasn't even played a completed season since 2006.

2. Iverson and Manu are better than T-Mac according to majority of the people on ISH, considering both of them have reached NBA finals.

3. Manu is the closest player to Michael Jordan in current NBA, too bad you don't realize this point at all.

4. The fact that Ray Allen is not as productive as he was is largely due to his role in Celtics. Even Kevin Garnett's stats dropped considerably in Boston last season.
yep Manu is better then wade and tmac.GTFO LMAO manu is the closest to MJ.Hahahahahahhahahahhaaaaaaaaa

[Trax416]

Allen Iverson is better then Wade. How is this even debatable. Dwyane Wade has had only 1 season that is even better then Iversons CAREER AVERAGES. Think about that for a second.

[ruslan]

VC and JJ is arguable but Manu is definitely over AI.

lol AI murders manu in every catagory besides %. AI is more feared player and the only reason ur putting him below manu is because he's on winning team and has titles, thanks to duncan. seriously what are your reasons.....:confusedshrug:

[iggy>]

Allen Iverson is better then Wade. How is this even debatable. Dwyane Wade has had only 1 season that is even better then Iversons CAREER AVERAGES. Think about that for a second.
are you kidding?

[Cratos]

Kevin Durant>>>>>>>>>>>all the rest

[IlliniFan]

I'm going to make my own list. I don't consider Iverson a SG.

1. Kobe Bryant
2. Dwyane Wade
3. Vince Carter
4. Tracy Mcgrady
5. Manu Ginobili
6. Joe Johnson
7. Brandon Roy
8. Ray Allen
9. Michael Redd
10. Rip Hamilton

[iggy>]

Allen Iverson is better then Wade. How is this even debatable. Dwyane Wade has had only 1 season that is even better then Iversons CAREER AVERAGES. Think about that for a second.
look @ how many more shots iverson puts up, and how his fg% has never been good.

and how he is the biggest defensive liability in the nba, and how he has never won anything.

[ruslan]

look @ how many more shots iverson puts up, and how his fg% has never been good.

and how he is the biggest defensive liability in the nba, and how he has never won anything.

and how he never had anyone on his team

forgetting some facts??? or just hating?

[ruslan]

Quit looking at stats and try looking at success, Wade won the Finals while having Shaq, Iverson didn't while having mutombo.

that has to be the smartest thing u said today :applause:

[Trax416]

Quit looking at stats and try looking at success, Wade won the Finals, Iverson didn't.

Quit looking at stats? Stats matter.

Iverson may not have won a championship (with Shaq), but he didn't win 15 games in a season either.

Bonnar won a championship also, so I guess he is better then Iverson?

Iverson is better then Wade, and has done so his entire career. Lets compare them when Wade has as many seasons playing at such a high caliber as Iverson. Then we can talk.

Grant Hill looked great his first few seasons in the league also.

[xxxSuperStar]

If I wanted to draft a team to win next year and first pick was shooting guard:

1) Kobe
2) Wade
3) Manu
4) Johnson
5) T-Mac
6) Roy
7) Kevin Martin
8) Iverson
9) V.C.
10) Redd

Iverson, V.C. and T-Mac, while ultra talented are on the downsides and I don't think Iverson can carry a team to the playoffs alone like he once did.

[doinitbig06]

look @ how many more shots iverson puts up, and how his fg% has never been good.

and how he is the biggest defensive liability in the nba, and how he has never won anything.

obviously ur one of those dudes who got il feelingz for AI once he divorced your team, i still dont see how u can hate on the dude who made the sixers what they are today, u need to be thanking that man

AI averaged 11/25 FGs for 44% FGs 32% 3pt FGs and 81% FTs which equaled 33.0 ppg 3.2 rpg 7.5 apg, but thats not good to you?

dude is a defensvie liability? i guess AI, chris paul, and every other small guard is too then, cuz AI LED THE LEAGUE IN STEALS 3 seasons in a row, with your team, again i ask, y r u hatin on him?

never won anything? he is the smallest player EVER to win regular season MVP, 5 scoring titles, 3 stealing titles, finals appearance, what r u saying cuz?

[ruslan]

PLEASE GTFO & Kill yourself...When the **** are you gonna get an IP ban? :banghead:

just take it easy, he's an idiot no need to get our feelings ruined because of his retartedness.

[Trax416]

obviously ur one of those dudes who got il feelingz for AI once he divorced your team, i still dont see how u can hate on the dude who made the sixers what they are today, u need to be thanking that man

AI averaged 11/25 FGs for 44% FGs 32% 3pt FGs and 81% FTs which equaled 33.0 ppg 3.2 rpg 7.5 apg, but thats not good to you?

dude is a defensvie liability? i guess AI, chris paul, and every other small guard is too then, cuz AI LED THE LEAGUE IN STEALS 3 seasons in a row, with your team, again i ask, y r u hatin on him?

never won anything? he is the smallest player EVER to win regular season MVP, 5 scoring titles, 3 stealing titles, finals appearance, what r u saying cuz?

People are on Wade's dick because he is doing well in the Olympics.


Wade just came off a 15 win season, because he couldn't get it done without tons of great players around him, and people are saying he is better then Iverson.

Iverson has done more in the NBA then Wade will ever do.

[Trax416]

Allen Iverson:

NBA Rookie of the Year (1997)
All-Star Rookie Game Most Valuable Player (1997)
All Rookie First Team (1997)
NBA Most Valuable Player (2001)
2-time NBA All-Star Game MVP (2001, 2005)
3-time All-NBA First Team Selection
3-time All-NBA Second Team Selection
9-time NBA All-Star

Dwyane Wade:

Final MVP
1-time All-NBA first team
2-time All-NBA second team
4-time NBA All-star

Wade has also played farless game per season then Iverson. Which means he could average better stats, because he doesn't need to keep it up during an entire season.

During the exact same point in there careers, these were the stats.

AI
31-5-4 2.5 SPG

Wade
24-7-4 1.5 SPG

Wade has not played his sixth season yet, but he will have to do better then this.

Iverson sixth season:
31-6-5 3 SPG

It won't happen.

[Showtime]

Last season Kevin Martin was better than Redd, and I suspect the same will happen next year, so Martin > Redd.

[Jimmy2k8]

Can't even have a legit discussion with the people in this thread.

[SmackOrH.A.K]

I still don't understand how Manu is better then Mac.

[ruslan]

I still don't understand how Manu is better then Mac.
he isn't..........why do we have to suffer because of idiots?

[markymark]

VC and JJ is arguable but Manu is definitely over AI.

manu >>> AI??

VC and JJ arguable??

not 1 word in your post makes sense

[AItheAnswer3]

manu >>> AI??

VC and JJ arguable??

not 1 word in your post makes sense

:applause:

This is how I'd rank 'em

1. Kobe
2. Wade
3. AI
4. T-Mac
5. Manu

[ruslan]

:applause:

This is how I'd rank 'em

1. Kobe
2. Wade
3. AI
4. T-Mac
5. Manu

AI is better than Wade. he might be better player in 1-2 years but not right now.

[stephanieg]

T-Mac in Orlando was an incredible player. He was averaging 25-30 ppg on 45%+ shooting. Then something happened. His FG% dropped in 03-04 and it hasn't recovered. If anything, it's getting worse each year. He shot 42% in 2008 if you round up. And his three point and free throw percentages are disgustingly bad (29%, 68%).

That's why people dig on Allen Iverson too. You can't shoot 42% and be the number one scoring option and expect much team success. To AI's credit during 2008 he shot a career high 45%. But if a team is going to have AI on its roster it will have to radically change its gameplan to include AI dribbling the ball around most of the time. And he's very poor defensively. Hence, he slides down on most people's lists.

Manu is incredibly efficient. He'll give you 20 ppg on 45-48% FG and 39-40% from three. Of course, he's the second (sometimes third) banana, so he can't be at the very top. But when Duncan or Parker are injured it's clear he can take on the scoring load during the regular season, so we may never know how good he really could be if he had full reign of a team. He's certainly one of the most talented SGs in the league at getting into the lane and finishing with acrobatic moves. It was unfortunate that he was injured this year because I was looking forward to Duncan vs. KG in the Finals. Alas.

I don't know how to respond to the people who are saying Wade "led" his team to 15 wins. Are they retarded? He was injured and trying to play at 50% because his team wasn't going to win ANY games with him in street clothes. And he probably hurt himself even more because of it. When it was evident they weren't going to make the playoffs Wade and the rest of the starters were shut down and the Heat fielded d-league players for the rest of the season.

Given that in 2006 Wade gave the greatest performance by a shooting guard of the last twenty years by anyone not named Michael Jordan...well, he clearly has to be near the top of any ranking, especially since it would appear he is "back" from his Olympic play, but of course cautious optimism is in order. And the Heat still blow chunks, but meh.

Are we sure Dirk isn't a shooting guard? If so, he may deserve to be up there. I kid the big German...

[i seen hippos]

How Iggy isn't even in the HM is beyond me. Kevin Martin and Monte Ellis, but no Igyy?

Iggy will be the better pro than Roy long term too. Just going to point that out.

[iamgine]

wow lol manu much more efficient and better defense than Iverson.

Iverson is so skillful yet he doesn't know how to utilize his skill properly for the team.

[west]

The only thing Iverson knows how to do better than Manu is chuck, Anything else Manu is better than Iverson.
included flooping

[iggy>]

and how he never had anyone on his team

forgetting some facts??? or just hating?
how am i hating, im a sixers fan, and iverson is still one of my favorite players ever just for sheer entertainment. but im just being objective. and iversons teams were not horrible. this years nuggets team was full of talent and he failed to get out of the first round.

its hard to win with a player like iverson playing so many minutes and dominating the ball so much. he will never win a title playing 40 minutes per game, thats just a fact. hes too much of a defensive liabilty and turnover machine. i should know, ive seen all his games as a sixer.

[iggy>]

Iverson Hater..Knowing you, you'd put Kyle Korver over Iverson..Lets see what Elton "injury prone" Brand can do :roll:
Stockton, Malone, Barkley never won anything

so Robert Horry>>>>>>ALL
YOU'RE SMART
robert horry never carried a team to a championship, wade has. horry is a role player, wade is a franchise player, thats just a retarded comparison.

[Jailblazers7]

How Iggy isn't even in the HM is beyond me. Kevin Martin and Monte Ellis, but no Igyy?

Iggy will be the better pro than Roy long term too. Just going to point that out.

I was just about to post that. Before you posted Iggy didnt even get a mention in this thread at all.

[stewen12]

Quit looking at stats? Stats matter.

Iverson may not have won a championship (with Shaq), but he didn't win 15 games in a season either.

Bonnar won a championship also, so I guess he is better then Iverson?

Iverson is better then Wade, and has done so his entire career. Lets compare them when Wade has as many seasons playing at such a high caliber as Iverson. Then we can talk.

Grant Hill looked great his first few seasons in the league also.
ur a ****ing idiot. Dwyane Wade barely played in that 15 game season

[stewen12]

People are on Wade's dick because he is doing well in the Olympics.


Wade just came off a 15 win season, because he couldn't get it done without tons of great players around him, and people are saying he is better then Iverson.

Iverson has done more in the NBA then Wade will ever do.
who did he have around him? Shaq a washed up shaq who never played. Then played liek 5games with Marion and Haslem and Quinn and Blount. Its a great supporting cast

[RoseCity07]

EDIT:

Roy sucks, Kobe is the best ever. /thread

1-5 =Kobe

[K.Koscik]

u also predict Wade's stats to be the best next season but hes only 4th???

Stats don't always tell the entire story.

Edit: Oh my.. I didn't realize that there was so many posts between mine and the one i quoted. sorry if its late, I just thought I should say something.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

you guys are under estimating Rip Hamilton.
offensively skilled, but his defense does not get enuf respect.

[Trax416]

ur a ****ing idiot. Dwyane Wade barely played in that 15 game season

Thats another reason Iverson is better. Wade is injury Prone.

Iverson is better then Wade, get over it. Wade isn't even better then a prime Grant Hill. Who was also injury prone. If Wade gets injured again. He will be in the same Grant Hill was.

[stephanieg]

you guys are under estimating Rip Hamilton.
offensively skilled, but his defense does not get enuf respect.

Very true. Has no one mentioned him? He's incredibly efficient. But I guess he's not flashy enough for the kids nowadays, even if it is fun watching him run around like a chicken with his head cut off.

[stephanieg]

Wade isn't even better then a prime Grant Hill. Who was also injury prone. If Wade gets injured again. He will be in the same Grant Hill was.

Sure, except Grant Hill's best playoff run was either 24/7/5 on 44% or 19/7/7 on 46% whereas Wade's best was 28/6/6 on 50% and a legendary Finals performance. So it's kinda similar.

[iggy>]

How Iggy isn't even in the HM is beyond me. Kevin Martin and Monte Ellis, but no Igyy?

Iggy will be the better pro than Roy long term too. Just going to point that out.
iggy has been primarily an sf in his career. but i do agree, he is severely underrated.

[i seen hippos]

Roy is top 5 easily. Very easily. Roy is so much better than Joe Johnson it's just ridiculous. Must I post the video where Roy shuts down Joe Johnson and then crosses him and Josh Smith over in a 4th quarter come back for the ages.

You know no one is going to take you seriously so why waste the time?

[RoseCity07]

EDIT:

Kobe is the GOAT on and off the court.

[stewen12]

Wade is top 2/ thread

[stewen12]

AI>Wade
u just said wade was better

[Rockets(T-mac)]

You're a clown kid. This is a list of best SG's as of now, not who has had the better career. Only a moron would take players like Iverson or Vince over currently better SG's. Brandon Roy was All Star last year, so how about you go back to your corner.
I think he meant that you shouldn't waste your time using logic, because most posters in this thread are pretty stupid.

[RoseCity07]

I think he meant that you shouldn't waste your time using logic, because most posters in this thread are pretty stupid.

Well it's hard to tell sometimes the way people are around here, I guess I'm proving your point. I mean every day there is constant Kobe threads about how he is on MJ's level.

[Lord Leoshes]

1 Kobe
2 Wade
3 Mcgrady
4 Iverson
5 J Johnson
6 Roy
7 Ginobili
8 Redd
9 Carter
10 Richardson

[TmacsRockets]

Following this thread: Top 10 PGs in current NBA (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=98322)

1. Kobe Bryant: Best SG in current NBA indeed. Kobe is still in his prime and the Lakers will be a serious title contender again this year. The next goal for Bryant is to defend his Regular season MVP award.
Predicted Stats For Next Season: 28.3 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 5.6 apg

2. Manu Ginobili: The guard who plays the most similar B-Ball game as Michael Jordan. Manu will continue to be a beast and his number will likely to increase a little bit with Tim Duncan getting old.
Predicted Stats For Next Season: 21.5 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 5.8 apg

3. Allen Iverson: Iverson seemed to be still in his prime even at 33-year-old. He was actually playing with injured fingers while still ranked top 3 in scoring last season. One of the best combo guards in NBA history.
Predicted Stats For Next Season: 24.2 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 7.1 apg

4. Dwayne Wade: Wade is still as awesome as he was and his performance in Team USA makes it arguable whether he deserves to be top 3 SG, but we'd better wait till he's capable of playing a completed season.
Predicted Stats For Next Season: 26.7 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 8.4 apg

5. Tracey Mcgrady: Mcgrady is one of the most talented players in NBA, but he's also blamed to never possess the ability to carry a team on his shoulder. Will he eventually get passed the first round after Artest's trade?
Predicted Stats For Next Season: 22.1 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 7.0 apg

6. Ray Allen: Allen finally got his first ring as a Celtic and many experts believe that this is simply the beginning of another Boston Dynasty. Allen will soon pass his prime so maybe his position will drop after next season.
Predicted Stats For Next Season: 18.4 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 4.8 apg

7. Vince Carter: Carter is still skillful at age 30 and it's still pretty much entertaining to watch him shooting and dunking. However, is Carter capable of leading a young team like the Nets with Kidd and RJ's departure?
Predicted Stats For Next Season: 24.9 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 6.3 apg

8. Joe Johnson: Johnson has proved how ridiculous the Suns were to give him up for merely a Boris Diaw. He's now the leader of Atlanta Hawks who almost upset the defending champ Boston Celtics.
Predicted Stats For Next Season: 23.0 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 5.5 apg

9. Michael Redd: Redd is regarded as the second best Superstar Shooter (second only to Ray Allen) in current NBA. He's regarded as the only pure shooter in Team USA and who knows when he'll break out?
Predicted Stats For Next Season: 20.6 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 2.1 apg

10. Brandon Roy: I'd rank Roy as No.10 since he's still way too young to prove himself to be elite, but sky is the limit of this kid. Roy is already capable of leading the Trailblazers to a decent record as a Sophomore.
Predicted Stats For Next Season: 20.8 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 7.5 apg

Other Candidates: Jason Richardson, Richard Hamilton, Monta Ellis and Kevin Martin.

Mcgrady > Kobe

[ruslan]

Ha, Allen Iverson is a HOF, but T-Mac has always been better.

yeah.....better at what? stats?winning?marketing? exactly what was he better at than AI?

[ronnymac]

Kobe
Wade
McGrady
AI
Joe Johnson
Manu
Hamilton
Carter
Roy
Allen
Redd

[ronnymac]

yeah.....better at what? stats?winning?marketing? exactly what was he better at than AI?
Dont argue with this troll. he is not worth it.

[step_back]

by top 10 do you mean career success or stat and individual accomplishments?

[gpfanz]

Following this thread: Top 10 PGs in current NBA (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=98322)

1. Kobe Bryant: Best SG in current NBA indeed. Kobe is still in his prime and the Lakers will be a serious title contender again this year. The next goal for Bryant is to defend his Regular season MVP award.
Predicted Stats For Next Season: 28.3 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 5.6 apg

2. Manu Ginobili: The guard who plays the most similar B-Ball game as Michael Jordan. Manu will continue to be a beast and his number will likely to increase a little bit with Tim Duncan getting old.
Predicted Stats For Next Season: 21.5 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 5.8 apg


Manu in top 3 I like that :rockon:

[KempSonics]

1. Kobe Bryant

2. Dwyane Wade

3. Tracy Mcgrady

4. Manu Ginobili

5. Joe Johnson

6. Richard Hamilton

7. Brandon Roy

8. Vince Carter

9. Kevin Martin

10. Ray Allen

Mike Redd, Monta Ellis, Jason Richardson

[ronnymac]

by top 10 do you mean career success or stat and individual accomplishments?

I think he means currently

[doinitbig06]

1. Kobe Bryant

2. Dwyane Wade

3. Tracy Mcgrady

4. Manu Ginobili

5. Joe Johnson

6. Richard Hamilton

7. Brandon Royhttp://www.insidehoops.com/forum/images/smilies/bowdown.gif

8. Vince Carter

9. Kevin Martin

10. Ray Allen

Mike Redd, Monta Ellis, Jason Richardson

Wholeheartedly agree with this list, monta is a scoring PG better than arenas

and no, igoudala is NOT better than Monta Ellis who will be an all-star PG next season (even if GS dont make the playoffs)

igoudala has to reprove himself to me after that horrendous playoffs performance, people sayin andre miller is the best player on the sixers should be a huge diss to him, he is the franchise player #2 now thanks to brand but he was not able to be a leader in that situation, i do believe they will win 50 games next season and if they play detroit again theyd kill em but iggy better play up to his contract and potential

damn ginobili and those rings i think joe johnson is better than him but they really cant be compared, two very different situations, playing styles,(floppin)

[InfiniteBaskets]

Why are people comparing Dwayne Wade's career against AI's career? AI has been in the league singe like '96. Wade didn't get drafted until '03. People are lopsiding AI's accomplishments and recognitions against Wade's when Wade hasn't played as long.

That's like saying Shaq is better than LeBron. "Top 10 SGs in CURRENT NBA", doesn't that mean, currently? Or just simply let's compare careers of all players who happen to be in the NBA right now? If it's the latter, this debate is meaningless.

All I know is, right now, if I'm a GM and I had one year to win a ship, I'd take current Wade coming off a 15 win season over AI coming off a playoff sweep. Wade's game is similar to Iverson's, except Wade is bigger and stronger.

[InfiniteBaskets]

Everyone would take a current Wade over Iverson..AI is 33..Wade is 26 and in his prime

Then I'm going to go a step further and say that I would take '06 Finals Wade over 2001 Finals Iverson.

I don't believe Wade would've beaten Shaq and Kobe with Mutombo and Ratcliff etc... in '01 but I also don't believe that Iverson would've pulled off what Wade did in the '06 finals.

The only thing I'll give Iverson over Wade is that if you took both their careers year to date, Iverson has a better resume simply because Iverson has been in the league longer.

[i seen hippos]

Wholeheartedly agree with this list, monta is a scoring PG better than arenas

and no, igoudala is NOT better than Monta Ellis who will be an all-star PG next season (even if GS dont make the playoffs)

igoudala has to reprove himself to me after that horrendous playoffs performance, people sayin andre miller is the best player on the sixers should be a huge diss to him, he is the franchise player #2 now thanks to brand but he was not able to be a leader in that situation, i do believe they will win 50 games next season and if they play detroit again theyd kill em but iggy better play up to his contract and potential

damn ginobili and those rings i think joe johnson is better than him but they really cant be compared, two very different situations, playing styles,(floppin)

So looking at both player's all around games, why is Ellis better than Iggy? Yes, Ellis doesn't play in a system so he does have more offensive freedom...is that why he's better, because his coach is too lazy to come up with a real offense?

Do you understand how much better Iggy would look in Golden State with where he's at development wise right now?

[Rekindled]

wow you people srsly think joe johnson is even close to ginobili?

Joe johnson averages 1 more point than ginobili while playing 10 more minutes.

[majorhops]

Following this thread: Top 10 PGs in current NBA (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=98322)

1. Kobe Bryant: Best SG in current NBA indeed. Kobe is still in his prime and the Lakers will be a serious title contender again this year. The next goal for Bryant is to defend his Regular season MVP award.
Predicted Stats For Next Season: 28.3 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 5.6 apg

2. Manu Ginobili: The guard who plays the most similar B-Ball game as Michael Jordan. Manu will continue to be a beast and his number will likely to increase a little bit with Tim Duncan getting old.
Predicted Stats For Next Season: 21.5 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 5.8 apg

3. Allen Iverson: Iverson seemed to be still in his prime even at 33-year-old. He was actually playing with injured fingers while still ranked top 3 in scoring last season. One of the best combo guards in NBA history.
Predicted Stats For Next Season: 24.2 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 7.1 apg

4. Dwayne Wade: Wade is still as awesome as he was and his performance in Team USA makes it arguable whether he deserves to be top 3 SG, but we'd better wait till he's capable of playing a completed season.
Predicted Stats For Next Season: 26.7 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 8.4 apg

5. Tracey Mcgrady: Mcgrady is one of the most talented players in NBA, but he's also blamed to never possess the ability to carry a team on his shoulder. Will he eventually get passed the first round after Artest's trade?
Predicted Stats For Next Season: 22.1 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 7.0 apg

6. Ray Allen: Allen finally got his first ring as a Celtic and many experts believe that this is simply the beginning of another Boston Dynasty. Allen will soon pass his prime so maybe his position will drop after next season.
Predicted Stats For Next Season: 18.4 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 4.8 apg

7. Vince Carter: Carter is still skillful at age 30 and it's still pretty much entertaining to watch him shooting and dunking. However, is Carter capable of leading a young team like the Nets with Kidd and RJ's departure?
Predicted Stats For Next Season: 24.9 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 6.3 apg

8. Joe Johnson: Johnson has proved how ridiculous the Suns were to give him up for merely a Boris Diaw. He's now the leader of Atlanta Hawks who almost upset the defending champ Boston Celtics.
Predicted Stats For Next Season: 23.0 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 5.5 apg

9. Michael Redd: Redd is regarded as the second best Superstar Shooter (second only to Ray Allen) in current NBA. He's regarded as the only pure shooter in Team USA and who knows when he'll break out?
Predicted Stats For Next Season: 20.6 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 2.1 apg

10. Brandon Roy: I'd rank Roy as No.10 since he's still way too young to prove himself to be elite, but sky is the limit of this kid. Roy is already capable of leading the Trailblazers to a decent record as a Sophomore.
Predicted Stats For Next Season: 20.8 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 7.5 apg

Other Candidates: Jason Richardson, Richard Hamilton, Monta Ellis and Kevin Martin.

I must :applause: you for posting this knowing that there would be people that would come and bash you after you posted this.
Im not one of them. This is just how i see it now-a-days.
1.Kobe
2.D-Wade
3.Allen Iverson
4.Tracy McGrady
5.Brandon Roy
6.Vince Carter
7.Joe Johnson
8.Monta Ellis
9.Jason Richardson
10.Kevin Martin

[Kiddlovesnets]

How Iggy isn't even in the HM is beyond me. Kevin Martin and Monte Ellis, but no Igyy?

Iggy will be the better pro than Roy long term too. Just going to point that out.

Iguadala is considered as an SF through out his career due to his inability to shoot(which is significant for an SG). Besides, how dare you say any of those SGs I listed are worse than Iguadala?

[stewen12]

First of all, Philly didnt have Ratliff...He got traded to Atlanta for a 35 year old Mutombo..N that Philly team played LA better than any of the teams the Lakers faced..That Sixer team lost to a dynasty..Did you consider Dallas a dynasty:lol ..AI's game 1 performance>>>>>Any game Wade has ever had...N yeah..Why dont you give credit to Dallas for choking

Game three of NBA Finals wade put up 42 and 13 with only 1 to and it didnt even go into overtime.

He also scored 40 in two other game and had 36 10 6 5 3blk in another

[Rekindled]

MOre reasonable ranking


1 kobe
2 wade
3 manu
4 tmac
5 ai
6 vince carter
7 roy

[majorhops]

Iguadala is considered as an SF through out his career due to his inability to shoot(which is significant for an SG). Besides, how dare you say any of those SGs I listed are worse than Iguadala?

:applause:

[ruslan]

Game three of NBA Finals wade put up 42 and 13 with only 1 to and it didnt even go into overtime.

He also scored 40 in two other game and had 36 10 6 5 3blk in another

AI dropped 48 on a dynasty, wade dropped 42 on one hit wonder. go figure :applause:

[Heretik32]

since Wade isnt Top 2 this thread deserves to be deleted.

I sincerely expected a reply like that one.

"You don't agree with me. Therefore, you must be wrong and shouldn't be allowed to post here".

Posters like you make ISH a nightmare at times.

[willds09]

1 kobe, 2 wade, 3 t-mac, 4 iverson 5 vc 6 manu 7 joe j. 8 allen 9 j-craw, 10 b-roy

[Godfather]

MOre reasonable ranking


1 kobe
2 wade
3 manu
4 tmac
5 ai
6 vince carter
7 roy

lol @ Manu Ginobili being considered...If any of those players had Timmy D on their team they would be title contenders year in and year out.

[highwhey]

Manu is being horribly overrated. Wade is 20x better than Manu.

[-primetime-]

4. Dwayne Wade: Wade is still as awesome as he was and his performance in Team USA makes it arguable whether he deserves to be top 3 SG, but we'd better wait till he's capable of playing a completed season. Predicted Stats For Next Season: 26.7 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 8.4 apg

i agree

in fact I may be the only one here that thinks it is ridiculous to put that over-rated, injury-prone, free-trow shooting, whistle magnet, Shaq needer anywhere near the top 5.

HE DIDN'T EVEN ****ING PLAY!!!!!!!!!!


all of you are watching too many cell phone comercials...jesus christ


if Wade is #2 ringt now then Oden is the #2 center right now

[-primetime-]

Manu is being horribly overrated. Wade is 20x better than Manu.
oh really?

Wade had a better season last year???

hmm....I missed that




does this site have a flux capasater in it?....Did we go back in time 2 years???

[SayTownRy]

lol @ Manu Ginobili being considered...If any of those players had Timmy D on their team they would be title contenders year in and year out.

manu spends a good amount of his time on the court without duncan. he also carried the team last season when duncan was out.

its just blatantly ignorant to not consider manu because he plays with duncan. i know it's a crazy concept, but manu doesn't just roll of duncan screens and catch great open look creating passes from duncan. he has a game of his own, not sure how you missed that. :oldlol:

look what he's doing on the international circuit right now and look at his past accolades. maybe that's cause he's just playing with luis scola :)

[mrpuente]

manu spends a good amount of his time on the court without duncan. he also carried the team last season when duncan was out.

its just blatantly ignorant to not consider manu because he plays with duncan. i know it's a crazy concept, but manu doesn't just roll of duncan screens and catch great open look creating passes from duncan. he has a game of his own, not sure how you missed that. :oldlol:

look what he's doing on the international circuit right now and look at his past accolades. maybe that's cause he's just playing with luis scola :)
these kids dont watch spurs games...but yet they know everything:confusedshrug:

[juju151111]

oh really?

Wade had a better season last year???

hmm....I missed that




does this site have a flux capasater in it?....Did we go back in time 2 years???
so u think manu is better then wade.lmao

[Rekindled]

Manu is being horribly overrated. Wade is 20x better than Manu.


hahahahaahaha

[highwhey]

oh really?

Wade had a better season last year???

hmm....I missed that




does this site have a flux capasater in it?....Did we go back in time 2 years???
fine then, if we're rating players by those terms, than Luke Walton is a better player than Gilbert Arenas since he was not injured. And every C that played last season is better than Yao Ming.

[-primetime-]

so u think manu is better then wade.lmao
he sure as **** was last last year...

are we rating player's from the past?....because if so then you left out MJ...

[-primetime-]

fine then, if we're rating players by those terms, than Luke Walton is a better player than Gilbert Arenas since he was not injured. And every C that played last season is better than Yao Ming.
I don't have a problem with Wade being in the top 10...

I just think it is ridiculous to rank a dude who hasn't been on the court in 2 years in the top 5...

he is obviously injury prone and not only that, he is incapable of carring a team on his back in the same fashion that Lebron can...

Wade needs Shaq so that teams are forced to respect the center and are unable to double him...

[Bimbo Coles]

Damn is Iverson one overrated MF on here or what? Forget top 2 or 3, if Allen Iverson is even a top ten SG, I’ll sew my groin to my head.

[Lord Leoshes]

Allen Iverson is better then Wade. How is this even debatable. Dwyane Wade has had only 1 season that is even better then Iversons CAREER AVERAGES. Think about that for a second.



You just hating dude.:no:


NBA NBA QUICKLINKS
Scores & Matchups Injuries Teams Players Statistics Standings Power Rankings Odds PLAYERS | INJURIES
Allen Iverson#3 - Denver Nuggets ProfilePosition Guard
Height 6'0"
Weight 165 lbs
Birthdate June 7, 1975
Birthplace Hampton, Virginia
College Georgetown
Key StatisticsGames 82
Points/Game (PPG) 26.4
Rebounds/Game (RPG) 3
Steals 160
Blocks (BLK) 12
Assists/Game (APG) 7.1

Shooting StatisticsSeason Team G MPG FGM FGA FG% 3PM 3PA 3P% FTM FTA FT% Pts Avg
07-08 DEN 82 41.8 712 1556 45.8 95 275 34.5 645 797 80.9 2164 26.4
06-07 DEN 50 42.4 430 947 45.4 50 144 34.7 331 436 75.9 1241 24.8
06-07 PHI 15 42.7 151 366 41.3 12 53 22.6 154 174 88.5 468 31.2
05-06 PHI 72 43.1 815 1822 44.7 72 223 32.3 675 829 81.4 2377 33.0
04-05 PHI 75 42.3 771 1818 42.4 104 338 30.8 656 786 83.5 2302 30.7
03-04 PHI 48 42.5 435 1125 38.7 57 199 28.6 339 455 74.5 1266 26.4

More StatisticsSeason Team G MPG Reb RAvg A AAvg Stl SAvg Blk BAvg TO PF
07-08 DEN 82 41.8 243 3.0 586 7.1 160 2.0 12 0.1 246 109
06-07 DEN 50 42.4 152 3.0 359 7.2 90 1.8 12 0.2 202 74
06-07 PHI 15 42.7 41 2.7 109 7.3 33 2.2 1 0.1 66 21
05-06 PHI 72 43.1 232 3.2 532 7.4 140 1.9 10 0.1 248 121
04-05 PHI 75 42.3 299 4.0 597 8.0 180 2.4 9 0.1 344 140
03-04 PHI 48 42.5 178 3.7 324 6.8 115 2.4 5 0.1 209 87




NBA NBA QUICKLINKS
Scores & Matchups Injuries Teams Players Statistics Standings Power Rankings Odds PLAYERS | INJURIES
Dwyane Wade#3 - Miami Heat ProfilePosition Guard
Height 6'4"
Weight 216 lbs
Birthdate January 17, 1982
Birthplace Chicago, Illinois
College Marquette
Key StatisticsGames 51
Points/Game (PPG) 24.6
Rebounds/Game (RPG) 4.2
Steals 87
Blocks (BLK) 37
Assists/Game (APG) 6.9

Shooting StatisticsSeason Team G MPG FGM FGA FG% 3PM 3PA 3P% FTM FTA FT% Pts Avg
07-08 MIA 51 38.3 439 937 46.9 22 77 28.6 356 469 75.9 1256 24.6
06-07 MIA 51 37.9 472 962 49.1 21 79 26.6 432 535 80.7 1397 27.4
05-06 MIA 75 38.7 699 1413 49.5 13 76 17.1 629 803 78.3 2040 27.2
04-05 MIA 77 38.6 630 1318 47.8 13 45 28.9 581 762 76.2 1854 24.1
03-04 MIA 61 34.9 371 798 46.5 16 53 30.2 233 312 74.7 991 16.2

More StatisticsSeason Team G MPG Reb RAvg A AAvg Stl SAvg Blk BAvg TO PF
07-08 MIA 51 38.3 214 4.2 354 6.9 87 1.7 37 0.7 224 137
06-07 MIA 51 37.9 239 4.7 384 7.5 107 2.1 62 1.2 216 117
05-06 MIA 75 38.7 430 5.7 503 6.7 146 1.9 58 0.8 268 217
04-05 MIA 77 38.6 397 5.2 520 6.8 121 1.6 82 1.1 321 230
03-04 MIA 61 34.9 247 4.0 275 4.5 86 1.4 34 0.6 196 140

[Bimbo Coles]

You just hating dude.:no:

Man, I loved the guy. I really did. It then dawned on me that he isn't really all that good. Talent-wise, he is a good as any player in the league but the guy just can't play team ball. It is beyond him. Those individual statistics tell one side of the story. He did nothing in Philly and has now done nothing in Denver. Larry Brown was the catalyst for that NBA title tilt in Philly. He did it again with Detroit and took the extra step. AI couldn't, hasn

[Lord Leoshes]

Wade
GP MIN/G PPG REB/G AST/G FG %
51 38.3 24.6 4.2 6.9 46.9


Manu
GP MIN/G PPG REB/G AST/G FG %
74 31.0 19.5 4.8 4.5 46.0


Iverson
GP MIN/G PPG REB/G AST/G FG %
82 41.8 26.4 3.0 7.1 45.8


& that was Wade at 50%, with one leg, & one arm. You guys are :hammerhead: :banana:

[Lord Leoshes]

[QUOTE=Bimbo Coles]Man, I loved the guy. I really did. It then dawned on me that he isn't really all that good. Talent-wise, he is a good as any player in the league but the guy just can't play team ball. It is beyond him. Those individual statistics tell one side of the story. He did nothing in Philly and has now done nothing in Denver. Larry Brown was the catalyst for that NBA title tilt in Philly. He did it again with Detroit and took the extra step. AI couldn't, hasn

[plowking]

I don't have a problem with Wade being in the top 10...

I just think it is ridiculous to rank a dude who hasn't been on the court in 2 years in the top 5...

he is obviously injury prone and not only that, he is incapable of carring a team on his back in the same fashion that Lebron can...

Wade needs Shaq so that teams are forced to respect the center and are unable to double him...

Hmmm, Shaq really helped us last season when Wade wasn't there at the start of the season. Shaq did it all. He should have been finals MVP right? With his 13 points and 8 rebounds a game, right primetime?

Don't you feel stupid now using that same D Whistle joke as in he gets special treatment from the refs in the NBA, when in fact he averages more free throws per 48 minutes in international ball? I guess every basketball organisation is out to protect Wade right and single him out as the player they give special treatment to?

Fact is, Wade was able to be in the top 3 shooting guards while being 50%.

[eliteballer]

1. Kobe Bryant - Reigning MVP

2. Dwayne Wade - Not completely sold, need to see him stay healthy

3. Tracy McGrady - He could move up, needs to stay healthy like Wade

4. Allen Iverson - Has to fall off eventually

5. Vince Carter - McGrady is better, but Vince will have better numbers

6. Manu Ginobilli - Great all-around player.

7. Joe Johnson - Stats will dip a little as Hawks youth develops

8. Ray Allen - Playoff performance might be due to family issues, age is concern

9. Brandon Roy Future All-Star

10. Michael Redd - great scorer, subpar all-around player.

11. Kevin Martin - Will be top 10 in scoring

12. Richard Hamilton - Poor man's Reggie

13. Jason Richardson - Needs to step up for Cats playoff berth

14. Ben Gordon - Uncertain contract status makes him difficult to place

15. Stephen Jackson - Loss Baron, addition of Corey will keep numbers steady

Honorable mentions: Larry Hughes, Jamal Crawford

[ronnymac]

Thats a great list.^^^.however i would put hamilton above allen, Redd and martin. rip is alot better two way player then those guys. rip plays defense and offense.

[Kiddlovesnets]

1. Kobe Bryant - Reigning MVP

2. Dwayne Wade - Not completely sold, need to see him stay healthy

3. Tracy McGrady - He could move up, needs to stay healthy like Wade

4. Allen Iverson - Has to fall off eventually

5. Vince Carter - McGrady is better, but Vince will have better numbers

6. Manu Ginobilli - Great all-around player.

7. Joe Johnson - Stats will dip a little as Hawks youth develops

8. Ray Allen - Playoff performance might be due to family issues, age is concern

9. Brandon Roy Future All-Star

10. Michael Redd - great scorer, subpar all-around player.

11. Kevin Martin - Will be top 10 in scoring

12. Richard Hamilton - Poor man's Reggie

13. Jason Richardson - Needs to step up for Cats playoff berth

14. Ben Gordon - Uncertain contract status makes him difficult to place

15. Stephen Jackson - Loss Baron, addition of Corey will keep numbers steady

Honorable mentions: Larry Hughes, Jamal Crawford

Manu not a top 5 SG in current League? Are you kidding me?

[Jordandunk23]

Whoaw maybe its just me but Manu seems to be getting overrated. I mean there was a point he was underrated but now he is being highly thought off. I mean he has an unorthodox flare to his game. He can drive and shoot the three and hes a pretty good defender (and flopping)... but hes not a leader. You could argue that its not his fault he has great players around him and never had to carry a team but thats just a fact.

Spurs is Tim Duncan's team and Parker runs the team. Manu plays his role and he plays it well. Again he can score in bunches and put up big numbers but he isnt consistent. to be ranked high i think you must be consistent throughout the season and playoffs. A top "SG" (emphasis on SHOOTING GUARD), does not score 7 and 9 points in a playoff game. "yeah but hes injured"... well yeah thats why he shouldnt be mentioned in the same paragraph as Michael Jordan...

im not trying to hate on the guy, im not hes number one fan or anything but he is a talented individual. but he is 2nd tier in terms of being an all around player and he doesnt even start. i know its his role and again, he plays his role well... i just think some are overrating him.

[Anti404]

^
When people call him the second best two-guard in the league then yes, he is being overrated. However, if they say that, at times he played as such, that would be a true statement. When Duncan went down, Emanuel stepped up his game to a really good level.

I would, personally, only take Wade, Kobe, and AI over Emanuel. He plays defense, draws charges, and can set up the offense and score in a variety of way without having to have the ball in his hand(such as the case with Kobe, Wade, AI, etc.)

[Jordandunk23]

^
When people call him the second best two-guard in the league then yes, he is being overrated. However, if they say that, at times he played as such, that would be a true statement. When Duncan went down, Emanuel stepped up his game to a really good level.

I would, personally, only take Wade, Kobe, and AI over Emanuel. He plays defense, draws charges, and can set up the offense and score in a variety of way without having to have the ball in his hand(such as the case with Kobe, Wade, AI, etc.)

it depends how you look at it... individually he is a great talent. Its not his fault he is surrounded by great players but i don't think he can lead a great team. i agree yes he has stepped up in multiple situations. he just isnt in the same level as other top SG. personally i dont think you overrate him even though i dont think he is a top 5 SG. (i know weird statement). and Im not trying to hate on the guy Top 10 without a doubt, i just wanted to lay down my 2 cents. I think some people are overrating him.

[Anti404]

it depends how you look at it... individually he is a great talent. Its not his fault he is surrounded by great players but i don't think he can lead a great team. i agree yes he has stepped up in multiple situations. he just isnt in the same level as other top SG. personally i dont think you overrate him even though i dont think he is a top 5 SG. (i know weird statement). and Im not trying to hate on the guy Top 10 without a doubt, i just wanted to lay down my 2 cents. I think some people are overrating him.
I agree.

[Bimbo Coles]

****ing hater :banghead:

No. It

[Rekindled]

1. Kobe Bryant - Reigning MVP

2. Dwayne Wade - Not completely sold, need to see him stay healthy

3. Tracy McGrady - He could move up, needs to stay healthy like Wade

4. Allen Iverson - Has to fall off eventually

5. Vince Carter - McGrady is better, but Vince will have better numbers

6. Manu Ginobilli - Great all-around player.

7. Joe Johnson - Stats will dip a little as Hawks youth develops

8. Ray Allen - Playoff performance might be due to family issues, age is concern

9. Brandon Roy Future All-Star

10. Michael Redd - great scorer, subpar all-around player.

11. Kevin Martin - Will be top 10 in scoring

12. Richard Hamilton - Poor man's Reggie

13. Jason Richardson - Needs to step up for Cats playoff berth

14. Ben Gordon - Uncertain contract status makes him difficult to place

15. Stephen Jackson - Loss Baron, addition of Corey will keep numbers steady

Honorable mentions: Larry Hughes, Jamal Crawford


tmac over vince and gino?

Carter 39 mpg 21.3 ppg 6 rpg 5 apg 0.456 FG 0.359 3 p
ginobili 31 mpg 19.5 ppg 6 rpg 5 apg 0.460 fg 0.401 3 p
mcgrady 37 mpg 21.6 ppg 6 rpg 6 apg 0.419 fg 0.292 3 p

[Jordandunk23]

tmac over vince and gino?

Carter 39 mpg 21.3 ppg 6 rpg 5.1 apg 0.456 FG 0.359 3 p
ginobili 31 mpg 19.5 ppg 4.8 rpg 4.5 apg 0.460 fg 0.401 3 p
mcgrady 37 mpg 21.6 ppg 5.1 rpg 6 apg 0.419 fg 0.292 3 p

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not really a valid argument questioning t-mac over vince and gino... numbers alone is not a good reason and using numbers doesnt help your case in this situation. 3p fg%? - Kobe 36% Wade 28.6% Iverson 34.5%

[ronnymac]

tmac over vince and gino?

Carter 39 mpg 21.3 ppg 6 rpg 5 apg 0.456 FG 0.359 3 p
ginobili 31 mpg 19.5 ppg 6 rpg 5 apg 0.460 fg 0.401 3 p
mcgrady 37 mpg 21.6 ppg 6 rpg 6 apg 0.419 fg 0.292 3 p

Tmacs team won 55 games and had a twenty two game wining streak.eleven were without yao. also stats dont truly indicate how much he infulences a game. anyone with half a brain would put mcgrady over gino and carter. he runs the whole offense. he makes the rockets tick. gino is a cog in a well oiled machine tmac is the whole engine that keeps the rockets wining.. carter is not even in there league in terms of being a game changer. tracy averaged twenty eight points in the playoffs this year. he was a walking triple double for most part against utah despite struggling with he's shot except the last two games of the series where he averaged thirty five points and a game 6 where he scored fourty points, ten boards and 5 assists.

[ruslan]

[QUOTE=Bimbo Coles]Damn is Iverson one overrated MF on here or what? Forget top 2 or 3, if Allen Iverson is even a top ten SG, I

[SayTownRy]

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not really a valid argument questioning t-mac over vince and gino... numbers alone is not a good reason and using numbers doesnt help your case in this situation. 3p fg%? - Kobe 36% Wade 28.6% Iverson 34.5%

what .3 rebounds and 1.5 assists less in 6 whole minutes less on the court? not a big deal imo. shows how much more efficient manu is than tmac. give him 6 more minutes and i think he can grab .3 rebounds and dish out 1.5 assists...

as for not being a leader, hes lead the spurs plenty of times. check out his stats from when duncan went down. back to back 37 point games against the mavs (who always go balls out against the spurs) and then the jazz (who the 'triple double machine' couldn't get over the hump). he's also lead several euro teams to championships. he's been the main guy plenty of times.

he dropped 46/8/5/3 in bron's house. if that's not a leader i dont know what is.

and enough with this "he doesn't even start" business!!! :banghead:

[knicks4eva]

Manu Ginobli is the most overated player ever in the NBA
he isnt he even the best player on his team
Wade kills him and so does t-mac
even allen iverson is still better than him

[SayTownRy]

Manu Ginobli is the most overated player ever in the NBA
he isnt he even the best player on his team
Wade kills him and so does t-mac
even allen iverson is still better than him

some pretty piss pour arguments there

he isn't the best player on his team? :hammerhead: so if he's not better than TIM FREAKING DUNCAN, he must not be better than another shooting guard on another team. lulz

[Jordandunk23]

what .3 rebounds and 1.5 assists less in 6 whole minutes less on the court? not a big deal imo. shows how much more efficient manu is than tmac. give him 6 more minutes and i think he can grab .3 rebounds and dish out 1.5 assists...

as for not being a leader, hes lead the spurs plenty of times. check out his stats from when duncan went down. back to back 37 point games against the mavs (who always go balls out against the spurs) and then the jazz (who the 'triple double machine' couldn't get over the hump). he's also lead several euro teams to championships. he's been the main guy plenty of times.

he dropped 46/8/5/3 in bron's house. if that's not a leader i dont know what is.

and enough with this "he doesn't even start" business!!! :banghead:

look i understand you felt you have to defend him, your probably a spurs fan and you watch him alot and your a fan of him. but your playing a numbers game. your talking about numbers of .3? 1.5? what would happen in 6 more minutes? thats ridiculous! do really decipher players through the difference of .3 rebounds/assist etc.?

you said hes led the spurs plenty of time, yes i also stated the same fact. but he is not the leader of the spurs. he is a role player for the spurs. he plays his role and plays it well.

you want to talk about games and how great he is well here you go. The last two games in the PLAYOFFS againts the Lakers he played 36 minutes and scored 7 points the followed it up with 9 points in 31 minutes...

He is a great player i never questioned that. alot of people are just overrating him. he has never carried a team through a season, 31 minutes is the most he has played IN HIS CAREER... Ginobili has the talent and he is a top 10 SG but come on!.. really.. he hasnt put in the work the premier guards in the league has.

[SayTownRy]

i think we all know ginobili walked around in a giant cast for the entire month following the laker series...

he plays limited minutes because of his explosive play. it would be insane to let him run out there for any longer.

as for putting in the work? his resume speaks for itself. it's a top 2 SG resume in the league, in terms of results and individual contribution. the spurs don't have the success they've had without him.

[Jordandunk23]

i think we all know ginobili walked around in a giant cast for the entire month following the laker series...

he plays limited minutes because of his explosive play. it would be insane to let him run out there for any longer.

as for putting in the work? his resume speaks for itself. it's a top 2 SG resume in the league, in terms of results and individual contribution. the spurs don't have the success they've had without him.

ok going paragraph by paragraph. yes i know. i gave him slack for that but you want to throw stats around and thats why i felt i had to throw that.

explosive play. thats a sorry excuse because Iverson played over 40 min. a game season after season his whole career. T-mac injury prone playing injured still played 37 min a game. and your talking about explosive? Wade has been playing 38 min a game every season outside his rookie year.

puttin in work? no he hasnt put in the work the elite shooting guards in this league has. thats clear on my previous paragraph. individual contribution, he is a great contributor no doubt. and he IS a vital part of the spurs success. but tell me this. if you really really looked at manu individually againts other guards in the NBA. if he didnt play for the san antonio spurs. tell me do you really think he is the 2nd best guard in the NBA? before you evens set your fingers on the keyboard keys, think about that...

if you truely believe that he is the 2nd best shooting guard in the NBA, then HEY thats your opinion. i mean i dont think so but its not like its a greatly ridiculous statement like other things on this board.

[Rekindled]

in my opinion, Tmac isnt top 10 sg in current nba.

[markymark]

ok going paragraph by paragraph. yes i know. i gave him slack for that but you want to throw stats around and thats why i felt i had to throw that.

explosive play. thats a sorry excuse because Iverson played over 40 min. a game season after season his whole career. T-mac injury prone playing injured still played 37 min a game. and your talking about explosive? Wade has been playing 38 min a game every season outside his rookie year.

puttin in work? no he hasnt put in the work the elite shooting guards in this league has. thats clear on my previous paragraph. individual contribution, he is a great contributor no doubt. and he IS a vital part of the spurs success. but tell me this. if you really really looked at manu individually againts other guards in the NBA. if he didnt play for the san antonio spurs. tell me do you really think he is the 2nd best guard in the NBA? before you evens set your fingers on the keyboard keys, think about that...

if you truely believe that he is the 2nd best shooting guard in the NBA, then HEY thats your opinion. i mean i dont think so but its not like its a greatly ridiculous statement like other things on this board.

he's actually the best

in flopping