Sarah Palin for McCain VP?

[sunsfan1357]

That's what Fox News is saying and other sources have her as the number one option. The pick is set to be officially announced in about an hour and a half. She is a first term governor of Alaska, only been serving for about a year in a half. She was mayor of some city I can't pronounce before that and she's two years younger than Obama. Supposedly she would be able to rally the Conservative base. Any thoughts or guesses on who you think the VP is before it's announced?

[Dasher]

What has she done to earn the VP slot? She is one moment away from being the president of the USA. I would have been more comfortable with someone who has been on the national stage for a bit. Alaska? I guess the butthurt Clintonites are getting pandered to by McCain.

[Dasher]

http://bp2.blogger.com/_uExTzMIDd1Y/R2O5nKq9_tI/AAAAAAAAATE/At2bb_K_3ao/s400/Sarah-Palin-Vogue.jpg



http://livingalaska.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/sarah_palin2.jpg

http://uberdesi.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/palin_sarah.jpg

She would be the first f*ckable VP. Which would be historic.

[sunsfan1357]

I'd say the last two pics do better for her than the Vogue cover. Compared to the other woman who has been nominated for VP (Geraldine Ferraro) she is definitely the winner:

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/geraldine_ferraro.jpg

[ForceOfNature]

http://bp2.blogger.com/_uExTzMIDd1Y/R2O5nKq9_tI/AAAAAAAAATE/At2bb_K_3ao/s400/Sarah-Palin-Vogue.jpg

Haha yeah, I just saw that pic on the Internet, she's certainly got some points in the looks department, maybe that's why McCain picked her. Doesn't mean she's a good pick though.

[konex]

This is a serious reach that reeks of desperation IMO. If Obama had picked Hilary, there's NO way they would have done this..

God forbid but McCain is old as dirt and could drop dead during office. Then Palin becomes prez? Good luck selling that..

[boozehound]

What has she done to earn the VP slot? She is one moment away from being the president of the USA. I would have been more comfortable with someone who has been on the national stage for a bit. Alaska? I guess the butthurt Clintonites are getting pandered to by McCain.
yep, there is no reason to pick her except to try and pull the women's vote. I have some friends who tend to be very smart and reasonable women who are so "hurt" by obama beating clinton that they probably will lose sight of their political issues and vote out of spite. repeal the right to vote for women!

That being said, shes really not good looking. more plain than anything. shes a first term governer whos only been there 2 years? In a podunk state with low population and huge economic interests? If the american people are dumb enough to fall for this really obvious and pathetic ploy then they deserve what they get.

[boozehound]

plus the sympathy points for her recent down syndrome baby. heres an idea. you are old and already have 4 kids. why risk the complications of an old lady pregnancy? ****ing probably had a down syndrome baby for jebus.

[kwajo]

yep, there is no reason to pick her except to try and pull the women's vote. I have some friends who tend to be very smart and reasonable women who are so "hurt" by obama beating clinton that they probably will lose sight of their political issues and vote out of spite. repeal the right to vote for women!

That being said, shes really not good looking. more plain than anything. shes a first term governer whos only been there 2 years? In a podunk state with low population and huge economic interests? If the american people are dumb enough to fall for this really obvious and pathetic ploy then they deserve what they get.
Yeah but she hunts, enjoys moose burgers and owns a freakin' float plane! She's awesome in my books!

[sunsfan1357]

[QUOTE]Palin, 44, was elected Alaska's first woman governor in 2006. The state

[Kebab Stall]

This is a serious reach that reeks of desperation IMO. If Obama had picked Hilary, there's NO way they would have done this..

God forbid but McCain is old as dirt and could drop dead during office. Then Palin becomes prez? Good luck selling that..
All it takes is a gust of wind at a rally or something and McCain will break a hip whilst falling off the stage.

Personally, I'd rather have a leader that has a chance of living for the entire duration of his term.

[bagelred]

John McCain just picked someone YOUNGER than Obama. How is McCain going to criticize Obama for lack of experience? Now what is McCain going to say?

[Dasher]

McCain could have balanced his ticket with a better VP. If you are voting for McCain you are essentially voting for two presidents. The guy is old, and has had multiple health scares. The age and the gender of the pick does not bother me, but her lack of government experience does.

Her stances:

Palin's tenure is noted for her independence from big oil companies, while still promoting resource development

Anti-choice

Anti-Marriage and Lifestyle Freedom

Highlights of Governor Palin's tenure include a successful push for an ethics bill, and also shelving pork-barrel projects supported by fellow Republicans.

Education, public safety, and transportation are the cornerstones of her administration.

[Smokee]

yeah thats another thing that just hit me. if the Republican party's biggest criticism of Obama and trump card is lack of experience that every Republican propaganda mouthpiece and attack ad harps on, how the hell do they nominate someone with 1.5 years of experience who can very easily become President?

I guess swaying over Hillary's spiteful voters is that important to them winning this election.

[boozehound]

Yeah but she hunts, enjoys moose burgers and owns a freakin' float plane! She's awesome in my books!
good think you hosers in America jr. dont get a vote! Hey, I am all for most hunting and I do love me some meese. I have a bunch of colleagues who work in AK, it will be interesting to get their opinion.

If he were smart, they woulda gone with huckabee to shore up the eroding support of the very well organized evangelical voting block. they could swing the election by themselves and many of them are drifting from McCain

[bagelred]

yeah thats another thing that just hit me. if the Republican party's biggest criticism of Obama and trump card is lack of experience that every Republican propaganda mouthpiece and attack ad harps on, how the hell do they nominate someone with 1.5 years of experience who can very easily become President?

I guess swaying over Hillary's spiteful voters is that important to them winning this election.

This move reeks of desperation. All Hillary Clinton has to do is come out and say Palin's wrong on every woman's issue. She can easily neutralize that effect.

[mell-0]

http://www.zieak.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/sarahpalincrop.jpg

Looks good.

But can you see this chick as president if McCain passed away? This is such a great strategy to capture the woman's vote. might be a Good move by McCain, or it could backfire in face.

[boozehound]

Anti-choice

I love that. You shouldnt be allowed to make the choice to not have a child, but I can make the choice to have a kid with downs syndrome that will be a huge burden on the public school system, etc.

[bagelred]

Wait until the VP debate. Biden will run circles around her.

[Dasher]

Sarah on Glenn Beck: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKwZNwdowa4&feature=related

Interview w/Donny Baarns:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrBe9AJyb-k

Sarah Palin-Perspective:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXfiOSCfY44&feature=related

[kwajo]

good think you hosers in America jr. dont get a vote! Hey, I am all for most hunting and I do love me some meese. I have a bunch of colleagues who work in AK, it will be interesting to get their opinion.

If he were smart, they woulda gone with huckabee to shore up the eroding support of the very well organized evangelical voting block. they could swing the election by themselves and many of them are drifting from McCain
I was just kidding around - sure I love her hobbies, but that's no reason to vote for her when I disagree strongly with her political stance.

And don't act like I don't have a say in this, my brother married an American and lives in Brooklyn, so I could influence his vote from afar.... MUHAHAHAHA!

[boozehound]

I was just kidding around - sure I love her hobbies, but that's no reason to vote for her when I disagree strongly with her political stance.

And don't act like I don't have a say in this, my brother married an American and lives in Brooklyn, so I could influence his vote from afar.... MUHAHAHAHA!
yeah Im just joshing you. I love america jr.

[kwajo]

yeah Im just joshing you. I love america jr.
Continent Hug!

[Dasher]

Stance Clarifications For Mrs.Plalin:

Social Issues

I am pro-life and I believe that marriage should only be between and man and a woman. I am opposed to any expansion of gambling in Alaska.



Budget(Alaska)

I have established an aggressive goal of reducing general fund spending by $150 million dollars. This takes tremendous effort by staff as well as the cooperation of the Legislature. On the savings side, by depositing our one-time surplus of $1.8 billion dollars, we'll build our savings account to nearly $4.3 billion dollars. It's a necessary step to ensure that we can fund essential services tomorrow; and avoid massive "single year" cuts down the road, if and when, faced with tougher times.


Energy

My Administration will pursue the gasline plan that is best for ALL Alaskans. How do we get there? Through a two-step process. First, we acknowledge that the Stranded Gas Development Act (SGDA), under which the previous Administration negotiated with the "Big Three" producers (ExxonMobil, ConocoPhillips, and BP), no longer applies. The Legislature's own experts have testified that the gas can no longer be deemed "stranded" due to long-term economic conditions. Anwar


I believe in protecting Alaska's environment through fair enforcement of our environmental laws. Having a clean record on environmental regulation is critical to getting ANWR open and maintaining our fisheries mining, timber, and tourism industries. I would also revisit the change in regulations on the Alaska Coastal Zone Management program in which the past administration by eliminating the rights of local districts to write specific local enforceable policies on important issues like subsistence.



http://www.ontheissues.org/Sarah_Palin.htm

[Dasher]

Cont.


Healthcare

I look forward to working with affected parties to find the necessary solutions that will lead to more affordable health care for Alaskans. I support flexibility in government regulations that allow competition in health care that is needed, and is proven to be good for the consumer, which will drive down health care costs and reduce the need for government subsidies. I also support patients in their rightful demands to have access to full medical billing information.


Social Security

I support funding our Seniors Longevity Bonus Program so the program can phase out on schedule, in agreement with public discussion years ago. The program was declining and it was a shame to see our esteemed pioneers face broken promises when they were prematurely lopped off the program. I also support home and community based assistance programs, which are more cost effective than institutional alternatives and also allow seniors to stay in their homes and communities with dignity.


Tax Reform

To help Alaska's families, and small businesses (the backbone of our local economies), I propose to repeal "nuisance taxes" including the tire tax--we shouldn't make Alaskans pay a premium to keep families safe driving Alaska's roads. And we'll significantly reduce business license fees. Taxes which send the wrong message by financially discouraging our small businesses.


Homeland Security

Thank you military personnel! I support you. I respect our military personnel and understand the importance of Alaska's National Guard. As I watched our military men and women being deployed I recognized how important it is for their families to know how much Alaska and America support them. I believe in "promoting from within" to provide continued good leadership that truly understands Alaska and will partner with our elected leaders to support our troops.

[boozehound]

gotta love it. more empty rhetoric. her stances are so open and ambiguous that they basically mean nothing in terms of actual policies.

[Dasher]

I like her stance on gun control:

I am a lifetime member of the NRA, I support our Constitutional right to bear arms and am a proponent of gun safety programs for Alaska's youth.





Palin earned the nickname "Sarah Barracuda" during her high school career as player and captain of her high school basketball team. While she was on the team Wasilla High School Warriors won the Alaska small-school basketball championship in 1982.
As a young woman Palin participated in beauty pageants. She was a runner-up in the Miss Alaska pageant and won the Miss Wasilla contest in 1984. She was named "Miss Congeniality" in the Wasilla pageant.
She is a hunter, rides snowmobiles, and owns a float plane. Palin holds a lifetime membership with the National Rifle Association.
Palin has a bachelor's degree in journalism with a minor in politics from the University of Idaho. She worked as a sports reporter for a local television station in Anchorage. She also worked with her husband Todd on a commercial fishing boat.
Palin has served two terms on the Wasilla, Alaska City Council from 1992 to 1996. In 2002, Palin made an unsuccessful bid for Lieutenant Governor. She was then appointed the Ethics Commissioner of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, where she served from 2003 to 2004. She resigned in protest over what she called the "lack of ethics."
In 2006 she was elected Governor. She has had a high approval rating in her state.
Palin is a self-styled hockey mom and political reformer who has been governor of her state less than two years.
At 44, she is a generation younger that Sen. Joseph Biden of Delaware, who is Barack Obama's running mate on the Democratic ticket.
She is three years Obama's junior, as well - and McCain has made much in recent weeks of Obama's relative lack of experience in foreign policy and defense matters.


http://www.myfoxtoledo.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7316993&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.11.1

[bagelred]

She is so socially conservative, I want to puke. Another closed minded American.

[bagelred]

Not a joke. Her husband is an Eskimo.

I didn't know Eskimo's still existed.


Also, I read if she becomes President, the White House will be transformed into a huge igloo.

[boozehound]

Not a joke. Her husband is an Eskimo.

I didn't know Eskimo's still existed.


Also, I read if she becomes President, the White House will be transformed into a huge igloo.
Inuit. eskimo is a cree? word that means something like eaters of raw blubber and isnt what they call themselves.

[ikoiko]

Also, I read if she becomes President, the White House will be transformed into a huge igloo.

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i195/switchbladesusie13_photos/thth687926.gif

[bagelred]

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i195/switchbladesusie13_photos/thth687926.gif

You can't even make Eskimo jokes anymore? What's this world coming to.....

[ikoiko]

You can't even make Eskimo jokes anymore? What's this world coming to.....

yeah man, that kid is a militant PC-soldier!

[PejaNowitzki]

MILF anyone?


The woman is ****ing hot for 40+ year old mom of 5!

:hammertime: :hammertime: :hammertime:

[PejaNowitzki]

Wait until the VP debate. Biden will run circles around her.


The problem is that she is clean and Biden is dirty and connected to lobbyists, especially through his son. Also, Biden was brought in to be an attack dog. You can't be an attack dog against a mother of 5, right or wrong, Biden taking the gloves off will cost them even more of the women's vote.

McCain is an idiot, but this is a good choice. She's difficult to attack as she opposes corruption and is against Big Oil. She was a governor for 2 years, and she is not running for president unlike Obama.


This will go down as a brilliant choice for the Republicans, even Ron Paul has given this chick the thumbs up in regards to her economic policy.

[sunsfan1357]

The problem is that she is clean and Biden is dirty and connected to lobbyists, especially through his son. Also, Biden was brought in to be an attack dog. You can't be an attack dog against a mother of 5, right or wrong, Biden taking the gloves off will cost them even more of the women's vote.

McCain is an idiot, but this is a good choice. She's difficult to attack as she opposes corruption and is against Big Oil. She was a governor for 2 years, and she is not running for president unlike Obama.


This will go down as a brilliant choice for the Republicans, even Ron Paul has given this chick the thumbs up in regards to her economic policy.
She's under investigation for firing a Public Safety Commissioner for not firing her ex brother-in-law.

[bagelred]

The problem is that she is clean and Biden is dirty and connected to lobbyists, especially through his son. Also, Biden was brought in to be an attack dog. You can't be an attack dog against a mother of 5, right or wrong, Biden taking the gloves off will cost them even more of the women's vote.

McCain is an idiot, but this is a good choice. She's difficult to attack as she opposes corruption and is against Big Oil. She was a governor for 2 years, and she is not running for president unlike Obama.


This will go down as a brilliant choice for the Republicans, even Ron Paul has given this chick the thumbs up in regards to her economic policy.

She is going to be the Dan Quayle of VP picks.

She has been a governor for less than two years. Before that? Mayor of a town of 6000 people.

McCain is a moron. What is the one thing McCain has over Obama? "He's NOT ready!!!!!"

McCain picked someone who is MUCH LESS ready than Obama. A 2 year governor from Alaska? Does she know anything about foreign policy? Biden isn't going to attack her, he's going to make her look stupid.

[sunsfan1357]

She is going to be the Dan Quayle of VP picks.

She has been a governor for less than two years. Before that? Mayor of a town of 6000 people.

McCain is a moron. What is the one thing McCain has over Obama? "He's NOT ready!!!!!"

McCain picked someone who is MUCH LESS ready than Obama. A 2 year governor from Alaska? Does she know anything about foreign policy? Biden isn't going to attack her, he's going to make her look stupid.
...and you know what? The Republicans still won in '88 with Quayle as VP.

On a side note, you gotta feel ****ty if you're in the Romney family. In '68 pops gets passed up for a first term governor for VP and in '08 Mitt gets passed up for a first term governor as well :oldlol:

[bagelred]

...and you know what? The Republicans still won in '88 with Quayle as VP.

On a side note, you gotta feel ****ty if you're in the Romney family. In '68 pops gets passed up for a first term governor for VP and in '08 Mitt gets passed up for a first term governor as well :oldlol:

That is true, but they won IN SPITE of Quayle. Dukakis was doomed anyway. Quayle got owned in the VP debate. Remember that? One of the greatest lines in political history. Watch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_85K_ayRIU


I can see Biden putting the smackdown on Palin just like this.

[crisoner]

So there is an ongoing scandal with her....
She takes away from the experience argument McCain has...

Isn't there any other women who could of been a better pick for the GOP?
If McCain wants Hillary's voters he should of asked Hillary herself to be his VP.

WOW.....was this a VP choice or a desperate move to some how steal the election?

And this pick for McCain at 70 plus is more important in a sense to have a good successor if (god forbid) anything happens to him while in office.

McCain is desperate and just got a hot Milf Housewife! Go on Pimpin!!!!!! LOL
JP

Obama and Biden 08!!!

[crisoner]

You can't even make Eskimo jokes anymore? What's this world coming to.....

Don't mess with Eskimo's bro!
They will kill you!

[bagelred]

Here's a nicely written part of a commentary on DailyKos:


DailyKos:

In addition to further associating McCain with the Republican culture of corruption, the Palin pick undermines one of his main anti-Obama narratives. It's going to be laughable to hear McCain assail Obama's supposed lack of experience after naming the first-term governor -- only one-and-a-half years into her term -- of the 47th largest state to be his running mate. Palin lacks any foreign policy experience, and is bereft of even the two core areas of policy expertise that governors are supposed to bring to a ticket -- ag policy (Alaska doesn't have much in the way of traditional agriculture) and urban affairs (Anchorage is the 65th largest city in the US, behind giants such as Corpus Christi). She's easily the least experienced running mate in recent memory, which is pretty scary, given McCain's age and his history of cancer.

[sunsfan1357]

Listening to her now she is now pushover, though, so Dems have to be careful not to underestimate this ticket. One thing McCain buys with this pick, which is important considering he's running against Obama, is media time. That's pretty important in trying to change the narrative to the campaign. She's supposedly pretty knowledgable about energy which is important for obvious reasons. If people are willing to look past experience for Obama then they sure as hell might be willing to do it for a 44 year old mother of five whose son serves in the military.

*edit* and also McCain may have well could have just found a main squeeze to have on the side :oldlol:

[statman32]

Dumb ****ing choice. Not just a little dumb either. Historic dumb.

BOB BARR IN 08!!

[YAWN]

i hope clinton supporters aren't dumb enough to lead us to world war 3

[crisoner]

i hope clinton supporters aren't dumb enough to lead us to world war 3

I hope not as well.

I think Hilary really needs to rally her troops for the Democratic card now.
She can help a lot. And with her last speech I think she will do just that.

:hammertime:

[Smokee]

I read a counter-argument on a gaming site i visit that she's been in office for 4 years vs Obama's 2, and that Governor experience is greater than Senator experience? I'm not going to go digging but thought i'd bring it up here so someone could spoonfeed me a debunk of that.

I knew Republicans would have some way of justifying that criticism. I just didn't think it would be based on the facts here vs there.

Heres the link of the gaming site blog. I can't stand this far right guy that post there because hes very anti Obama. Along with many others there.

http://wowriot.gameriot.com/blogs/Serious-Business-1/Sarah-Palin-Naked/

[Kumo]

She is so socially conservative, I want to puke. Another closed minded American.

Just because someone doesn't think like you doesn't make them close minded. Pretty pretentious of you....


She is going to be the Dan Quayle of VP picks.

She has been a governor for less than two years. Before that? Mayor of a town of 6000 people.

McCain is a moron. What is the one thing McCain has over Obama? "He's NOT ready!!!!!"

McCain picked someone who is MUCH LESS ready than Obama. A 2 year governor from Alaska? Does she know anything about foreign policy? Biden isn't going to attack her, he's going to make her look stupid.

I think they wanted to get a little more of a blue collar person, and to help out with McCains weak side. And yeah, Obama isn't ready... but he would be running the country, Palin wouldn't be. What has Obama done, compared to governor and mayor, legislator and a senator (one term?). Doesn't seem like he really even outdoes her.

[sunsfan1357]

Bill Burton from the Obama campaign


Today, John McCain put the former mayor of a town of 9,000 with zero foreign policy experience a heartbeat away from the presidency. Governor Palin shares John McCain's commitment to overturning Roe v. Wade, the agenda of Big Oil and continuing George Bush's failed economic policies -- that's not the change we need, it's just more of the same

Chuck Schumer


Certainly the choice of Palin puts to rest any argument about inexperience on the Democratic team and while Palin is a fine person, her lack of experience makes the thought of her assuming the presidency troubling. I particularly look forward to the Biden-Palin debate in Missouri.

Rahm Emmanuel


Is this really who the Republican Party wants to be one heartbeat away from the Presidency? Given Sarah Palin's lack of experience on every front and on nearly every issue, this Vice Presidential pick doesn't show judgment: it shows political panic."

I love how a lot of the naysayers are phrasing it "one heartbeat away from the Presidency" really putting attention to the fact that McCain turned 72 today and can croak over at any second.

[bagelred]

Just because someone doesn't think like you doesn't make them close minded. Pretty pretentious of you....



Actually, just the opposite. Social conseravatives want to tell you how to live. They believe they have moral superiority. That's pretentious.

[Smokee]

Just because someone doesn't think like you doesn't make them close minded. Pretty pretentious of you....



Its not even just thinking like someone else, its more about not repeating the same exact mistake you very likely made(that i didn't) in voting for Bush and re-electing him throughout his terms.

Then most of you who voted for him at this point acknowledge he was terrible, and then are voting for Bush again through Mccain. I mean seriously WTF? :rolleyes:

Republican propaganda seems to work on Republicans way more than anyone else it seems. So many Republican attacks, false generalizations, etc. that are repeated constantly by Republicans who seem almost brainwashed into believing anything that comes from the right wing spin machine. Democrats don't have nearly the negative campaign ads or propaganda, nor the people buying into false depictions like the Republicans generally do.

Whatever though. I think its extremely noticeable if you follow day to day news and politics to a degree after so long. Both parties aren't really the same at all.

[gotbacon23]

palin
http://tizona.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/sarah_palin_02.jpg

=

http://www.travel-destination-pictures.com/data/media/60/cougar_248.jpg


if you catch my drift

[Kumo]

Actually, just the opposite. Social conseravatives want to tell you how to live. They believe they have moral superiority. That's pretentious.

Haha, no... they don't. I could say the same thing about dems, a big government controlling how I live, like how you thought it'd be such a great idea to tax people $2,000 if they wanted to buy a truck/suv instead of a car. That is controlling how someone lives, hypocrite.


Its not even just thinking like someone else, its more about not repeating the same exact mistake you very likely made(that i didn't) in voting for Bush and re-electing him throughout his terms.

Oh really? The mistake you assume I made, but no... in all your wisdom you didn't make that mistake. By the way, I'm 15 years old.

[statman32]

I still cant find any nudes. :banghead:

[Smokee]

Haha, no... they don't. I could say the same thing about dems, a big government controlling how I live, like how you thought it'd be such a great idea to tax people $2,000 if they wanted to buy a truck/suv instead of a car. That is controlling how someone lives, hypocrite.



Oh really? The mistake you assume I made, but no... in all your wisdom you didn't make that mistake. By the way, I'm 15 years old.


I said "very likely", but if you were able to vote you would've voted for Bush like your parents(i assume) did? and re-elected him just like every other Republican voter throughout his terms?

I'm just telling you that if you acknowledge you made mistakes in your votes(which even most Republicans do at this point when it comes to Bush) and the country is going through a lot of crap as a result, why would you repeat that mistake a 3rd and 4th time, then pretend like you have much to stand on?

[crisoner]

LOL

Kumo....you lose. Why are you even still on these boards?

Republicans need to start owning up for their mistakes...do the right thing and VOTE FOR OBAMA!!!!

[Kumo]

I said "very likely", but if you were able to vote you would've voted for Bush like your parents(i assume) did? and re-elected him just like every other Republican voter throughout his terms?

I'm just telling you that if you acknowledge you made mistakes in your votes(which even most Republicans do at this point when it comes to Bush) and the country is going through a lot of crap as a result, why would you repeat that mistake a 3rd and 4th time, then pretend like you have much to stand on?

Heres the deal. Bush is not the ideal president, by far. I don't think hes horrible... but, whenever I go to this site, and everyone spews out anti bush crap, if I accidently turn on The Daily Show, and there is John Stewart making the same ****ing joke about Bush for his 500th show in a row, and then I go to school and every kid that knows NOTHING about politics says how dumb Bush is, and how I'm a dumbass because they can't survive in a debate about politics with me.... it turns me off to this whole, "bad-mouth Bush because its the cool thing to do". Either way, I do not think that McCain is 4 more years of Bush. Even more than that, I think this country is in very bad shape if Obama wins.

[Kumo]

LOL

Kumo....you lose. Why are you even still on these boards?

Dude, stfu... Political debates go nowhere (most of the time) there are no winners/losers. How about you shut your ****ing mouth if you can't spew out anything intelligent, just retarded bull****.

[crisoner]

Heres the deal. Bush is not the ideal president, by far. I don't think hes horrible... but, whenever I go to this site, and everyone spews out anti bush crap, if I accidently turn on The Daily Show, and there is John Stewart making the same ****ing joke about Bush for his 500th show in a row, and then I go to school and every kid that knows NOTHING about politics says how dumb Bush is, and how I'm a dumbass because they can't survive in a debate about politics with me.... it turns me off to this whole, "bad-mouth Bush because its the cool thing to do". Either way, I do not think that McCain is 4 more years of Bush. Even more than that, I think this country is in very bad shape if Obama wins.

You lost ALL credit with that line buddy. Now please leave.

[statman32]

Dude, stfu... Political debates go nowhere (most of the time) there are no winners/losers. How about you shut your ****ing mouth if you can't spew out anything intelligent, just retarded bull****.
Co-sign. WHile I might not agree with your stances, Crisnor is acting like a big a-hole.

[AppleNader]

I still cant find any nudes. :banghead:

The McCain-Palin sex vid is going to be leaked soon:banana:

[Kumo]

Again, what the hell is wrong with some of you? Just because I have a different opinion I'm wrong and need to leave. By the way, its a debate, and I'm discussing with Smokee. So Crisoner, leave me the **** alone... you contribute nothing to this conversation.

[crisoner]

The McCain-Palin sex vid is going to be leaked soon:banana:


I think I'll pass on that one.

[AppleNader]

I think I'll pass on that one.

Not me. I've got video editing software so I can blur out McCain's ass

[crisoner]

Again, what the hell is wrong with some of you? Just because I have a different opinion I'm wrong and need to leave. By the way, its a debate, and I'm discussing with Smokee. So Crisoner, leave me the **** alone... you contribute nothing to this conversation.

OK.....I'll stop picking on you. LOL
Catching feelings!

[statman32]

Not me. I've got video editing software so I can blur out McCain's ass
:wtf:

Leave that **** in. :banana:

[Smokee]

Heres the deal. Bush is not the ideal president, by far. I don't think hes horrible... but, whenever I go to this site, and everyone spews out anti bush crap, if I accidently turn on The Daily Show, and there is John Stewart making the same ****ing joke about Bush for his 500th show in a row, and then I go to school and every kid that knows NOTHING about politics says how dumb Bush is, and how I'm a dumbass because they can't survive in a debate about politics with me.... it turns me off to this whole, "bad-mouth Bush because its the cool thing to do". Either way, I do not think that McCain is 4 more years of Bush. Even more than that, I think this country is in very bad shape if Obama wins.


Go ahead and tell me how Mccain differenitates from Bush so much. I'd love to see you destroy anybody on the argument of how good Bush is of a President. Maybe other 15 year olds, but theres a reason why you hear criticism from all aspects around you of Bush, and i guess a reason why you're the lone soul that thinks hes "not bad". Or how Mccain isn't 4 more years of Bush when he's supported 90% of everything Bush has done, along with the same principles of War against Terror being our #1 concern with all the fear mongering.

Just bring up some points of how good Bush is and all the good stuff hes done. If you want to take the opposite argument from what everyone pretty much acknowledges at this point, by all means destroy whats pretty much a given at this point, even amongst his own party that criticize him(did you watch any of the GoP debates?), i'd love to see it :ohwell:

[crisoner]

Not me. I've got video editing software so I can blur out McCain's ass

HA!

Game on!!!!!!!!!!

[crisoner]

Hey Smokee...this cat just said he does not believe that Bush is a bad president. No use in debating with him.


HE'S THAT DUMB!!!!!!!!!!!

[gotbacon23]

Go ahead and tell me how Mccain differenitates from Bush so much. I'd love to see you destroy anybody on the argument of how good Bush is of a President. Maybe other 15 year olds, but theres a reason why you hear criticism from all aspects around you of Bush, and i guess a reason why you're the lone soul that thinks hes "not bad". Or how Mccain isn't 4 more years of Bush when he's supported 90% of everything Bush has done, along with the same principles of War against Terror being our #1 concern with all the fear mongering.

Just bring up some points of how good Bush is and all the good stuff hes done. If you want to take the opposite argument from what everyone pretty much acknowledges at this point, by all means destroy whats pretty much a given at this point, even amongst his own party that criticize him(did you watch any of the GoP debates?), i'd love to see it :ohwell:


to be fair- he never said he was a good president. he just said he wasn't horrible. the only HORRIBLE president has been herbert hoover. and i don't like bush or mccain at all. mccain for personal reasons though, not his politics

[Kumo]

Go ahead and tell me how Mccain differenitates from Bush so much. I'd love to see you destroy anybody on the argument of how good Bush is of a President. Maybe other 15 year olds, but theres a reason why you hear criticism from all aspects around you of Bush, and i guess a reason why you're the lone soul that thinks hes "not bad". Or how Mccain isn't 4 more years of Bush when he's supported 90% of everything Bush has done, along with the same principles of War against Terror being our #1 concern with all the fear mongering.

Just bring up some points of how good Bush is and all the good stuff hes done. If you want to take the opposite argument from what everyone pretty much acknowledges at this point, by all means destroy whats pretty much a given at this point, even amongst his own party that criticize him(did you watch any of the GoP debates?), i'd love to see it :ohwell:

Yeah, I don't argue about Bush so much... its just pretty easy to rip about another 15 year olds argument about how Obama is "change" when they can't provide me with one achievement of his, and I have to tell them.

I'm not here to argue about how Bush is good, I don't think he's "good" I just think he gets a lot of flak from people who don't know what their talking about. I'm also not looking for McCain to be superman, I just think he can manage the country well for 4 years while Obama can't turn it to ****.

I think he has a good stance on the war, I don't think Iran/Russia, whoever will be as likely to screw with us if McCain is president. I think that he can manage a war a bit better than Bush, even though the surge is working I think he has a good exfill plan. He will drill off-shore, hopefully start up some nuclear power plants, and drill in Alaska (I'm a little iffy on that though). I also think he will be a good leader in general... him commanding a squadron in the Navy compares to what of Obamas...? (and please don't mention him being a community organizer... that really doesn't mean ****).

[bada bing]

I hope the women of America have more respect for themselves and realize the ploy being played by McCain. This is seriously embarrassing. The guy is just trying to recruit the Clinton backers by someone who can't even come within 50 feet of Hillary. I dont like HIllary Clinton, but her credentials and strenghts would make Palin's look like a 2 month fetus. I will be extremely surprised if people dont realize the cheap gimmick being played by the McCain camp. Its actually pathetic. But considering the fact that we voted Bush for a second term, I wont be surprised with anything I see in this ****ing country.

[Cannonball]

Actually, just the opposite. Social conseravatives want to tell you how to live. They believe they have moral superiority. That's pretentious.
:wtf: The just have different view points on what is considered right and wrong, not that they have moral superiority.

I think a fetus is a baby and should not be able to be killed.

I'm not saying that I'm superior to you.

[Cannonball]

Its not even just thinking like someone else, its more about not repeating the same exact mistake you very likely made(that i didn't) in voting for Bush and re-electing him throughout his terms.

Then most of you who voted for him at this point acknowledge he was terrible, and then are voting for Bush again through Mccain. I mean seriously WTF? :rolleyes:

Republican propaganda seems to work on Republicans way more than anyone else it seems. So many Republican attacks, false generalizations, etc. that are repeated constantly by Republicans who seem almost brainwashed into believing anything that comes from the right wing spin machine. Democrats don't have nearly the negative campaign ads or propaganda, nor the people buying into false depictions like the Republicans generally do.

Whatever though. I think its extremely noticeable if you follow day to day news and politics to a degree after so long. Both parties aren't really the same at all.
:roll: :roll: :oldlol: :oldlol:

McCain isn't Bush. He isn't. Sure he's a republican candidate.. That doesn't make him Bush. I feel John McCain is a main who will make the hard, but necessary freedoms to protect the USA... For the economy and other issues he'll hire a great cabinet ala George Wash. Great military leader with a stacked cabinet, proved successful in the past.

[Smokee]

What really kills me about the current Administration is the lack of diplomacy and tact in foreign affairs.

Its like every time another country does something we're not too happy about, its like the Bush Administration comes out with these public statements almost pushing them into a corner to obey. Do they not realize these foreign countries have a lot of pride in themselves, more than anything? Especially the Irans, N. Koreans, Russians, etc? Just look at what China did for the Beijing Olympics, almost all of that billions of dollars of 'show' was for Chinese pride.

Even with the current Russia - Georgia conflict the Bush Administration came out with public statements telling them what they have to/should do. Why not just a phone call and meeting or talk telling them without pushing them into that corner publicly, where they feel so small if they obey?

I'm kind of talking about a pyschological effect of almost bullying diplomacy, that puts countries into embarressing corners they don't really want to go because it makes them look bad to the world, shamed, and basically bullied by us. And it almost seems to me most Republicans believe since we are THE Superpower we can get away with that forever, and how other countries view us will never come back to bite us. That we can bully everyone forever and tell the world what they have to do publicly...which in turn humiliates them if they obey what Condolesca or Bush just stated as a public ultimatum almost.

Just not sensible to me how supposedly the smartest elected people in our country approach foreign affairs, mostly with the Bush Administration though it seems. And most Republican mentalities like we can get away with this without repercussions. Maybe its just me since i never seen this written or criticized from political writers.

Every time the way they word what they say its almost putting these countries who have a lot of pride in themselves into a corner of not wanting to obey to save face. whatever tho.

[Cannonball]

Yeah, I don't argue about Bush so much... its just pretty easy to rip about another 15 year olds argument about how Obama is "change" when they can't provide me with one achievement of his, and I have to tell them.

I'm not here to argue about how Bush is good, I don't think he's "good" I just think he gets a lot of flak from people who don't know what their talking about. I'm also not looking for McCain to be superman, I just think he can manage the country well for 4 years while Obama can't turn it to ****.

I think he has a good stance on the war, I don't think Iran/Russia, whoever will be as likely to screw with us if McCain is president. I think that he can manage a war a bit better than Bush, even though the surge is working I think he has a good exfill plan. He will drill off-shore, hopefully start up some nuclear power plants, and drill in Alaska (I'm a little iffy on that though). I also think he will be a good leader in general... him commanding a squadron in the Navy compares to what of Obamas...? (and please don't mention him being a community organizer... that really doesn't mean ****).
So much truth in that man.

Less countries are going to start **** with us if we have a powerful leader like McCain i.e. Reagen ending the Iran-Contra affair by just being instated.

[ForceOfNature]

Eh, I don't think this was a good pick by McCain. I understand that what he was going for was a new type of image, and one that brings in Hillary (woman) supporters. I think had he gone with Mitt, he would have garnered more Republican voters. There are some close-minded Republicans who do not want a woman as VP.

[Smokee]

So much truth in that man.

Less countries are going to start **** with us if we have a powerful leader like McCain i.e. Reagen ending the Iran-Contra affair by just being instated.



not really, it just forces everyone elses hand in terms of wanting to get nukes, which many eventually will have as technology throughout the world progresses, so they don't feel bullied by us anymore.

the more you think we should throw around our power, the more other countries/people hate us. the idea that nobody is going to start **** with us is only looking at the present and short-term.

its really an ignorant way of looking at world affairs imo.

[Kumo]

I was really hoping it would be Mitt that got the VP pick though... but I think McCain wanted to keep the Christian vote. The most exciting would be if Condaleeza got it... thats a smart woman.

Edit - Smokee, I don't see whats wrong with not wanting other to mess with us... the alternative, let them screw with us?

[gts]

I was really hoping it would be Mitt that got the VP pick though... but I think McCain wanted to keep the Christian vote. The most exciting would be if Condaleeza got it... thats a smart woman.

Edit - Smokee, I don't see whats wrong with not wanting other to mess with us... the alternative, let them screw with us?well one of the things that hurt obama was his pick of biden, here the two go at it for months tell america over and over how dreadful the other guy is then he becomes the VP nominee

mcain avoided all that with this pick, it was a smart move, now he can run ads with clips of biden telling the world how inept a choice obama is and obama calling biden out for being a washington insider who is part of the problem, not an answer

[Smokee]

I was really hoping it would be Mitt that got the VP pick though... but I think McCain wanted to keep the Christian vote. The most exciting would be if Condaleeza got it... thats a smart woman.

Edit - Smokee, I don't see whats wrong with not wanting other to mess with us... the alternative, let them screw with us?


no i'm just saying with more tact. Call them, talk to them, tell them that personally. not public statements telling them what to do where its almost a dare not to, where it makes them more reluctant to listen.

It might be just me. But it bothers me everytime i read the official public statements from Bush/Rice and in how they word them for the world to hear. It just doesn't give much room for listening and saving face without being looked at as being bullied into doing what we'd like them to do.

[mell-0]

well one of the things that hurt obama was his pick of biden, here the two go at it for months tell america over and over how dreadful the other guy is then he becomes the VP nominee

mcain avoided all that with this pick, it was a smart move, now he can run ads with clips of biden telling the world how inept a choice obama is and obama calling biden out for being a washington insider who is part of the problem, not an answer

Choosing Sarah Pladin was just one last effort to change the minds of a few women to vote Republican.

It wasn't a smart move, it was more of a risky move because I don't think many people can envision this woman as our Commander-In-Chief if somehow McCain dies (and he is old). While he may of captured a few votes by having the female VP, he also lost a few votes because some people are turned off by a female vice president (or potential president).

The truth is that I think most voters have already made up their mind on who they are choosing. There really aren't many swing votes left get, and I don't think the debates will change anybody's mind on who they vote for unless something seriously drastic happens.

[mlh1981]

I saw that McCain originally wanted to pick Joe Liebermann as his running mate, but Karl Rove and other republicans swiftly dismissed the idea. Therefore, he went with Palin.

[rufuspaul]

So the democratic ticket has a pres. candidate with no experience and a vp with a lot, and the republican ticket has the opposite. Personally, I don't care too much about how much experience the vp candidate has. If the pres. kicks the bucket in office, all of his advisors, cabinet, etc. are in place. It's not like the vp goes in cold.

[bagelred]

Well, Saturday Night Live must be thrilled!!!!!!

They have an SNL alumni to do a great parody of her.


http://remote.lohudblogs.com/files/2008/03/tina-fey-portrait.JPGhttp://www.chron.com/photos/2008/08/14/12764298/260xStory.jpg

[crisoner]

Well, Saturday Night Live must be thrilled!!!!!!

They have an SNL alumni to do a great parody of her.


http://remote.lohudblogs.com/files/2008/03/tina-fey-portrait.JPGhttp://www.chron.com/photos/2008/08/14/12764298/260xStory.jpg

First thing that came to my mind as well. LOL


Well this HORRIBLE pick goes to show how McBush will do making important decisions for our country.

Game...Set.......Match...........Obama and Biden 2008!
Great day for Dems!!!! Again!!!

[SCY]

I'm sure the more "hickish" conservatives are just gonna be running out to the polls now. Bad enough that McCain is moderate on a lot of issues, now he has a woman VP. Bang-up job.

[Dasher]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25970882/?GT1=43001


DAYTON, Ohio - Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain introduced his running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, at a raucous rally Friday, praising her "tenacity" and "skill" in tackling tough problems. "She is exactly who this country needs to help us fight the same old Washington politics of me first and country second," McCain told supporters in Dayton.
Palin, who becomes the first woman to serve on a GOP presidential ticket and the first Alaskan to appear on a national ticket, echoed McCain's appeal to battle the status quo in Washington.






"This is a matter when principles ... matter more than the party line," she said to the cheering crowd of 15,000. Palin made an immediate play for support from Democratic women, mentioning that she followed in the footsteps of Geraldine Ferraro, who was the Democratic vice presidential running mate in 1984.
She also referred favorably to Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, who drew 18 million votes in her unsuccessful run against Obama for the Democratic nomination.


"But it turns out the women of America aren't finished yet and we can shatter that glass ceiling once and for all," she said.
It is an obvious ploy to get the woman vote.

[crisoner]

:roll: :roll: :oldlol: :oldlol:

McCain isn't Bush. He isn't. Sure he's a republican candidate.. That doesn't make him Bush. I feel John McCain is a main who will make the hard, but necessary freedoms to protect the USA... For the economy and other issues he'll hire a great cabinet ala George Wash. Great military leader with a stacked cabinet, proved successful in the past.

Voted with Bush 90% of the time bro.
End of story.

The GOP had two terms already....time for the Dems to CHANGE our country for the better.

[mlh1981]

As of a month ago, she didn't even know what the vice president DOES :oldlol:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12969.html

[crisoner]

I'm sure the more "hickish" conservatives are just gonna be running out to the polls now. Bad enough that McCain is moderate on a lot of issues, now he has a woman VP. Bang-up job.


Very true....

I don't know how the Die Hard Conservatives will feel about this. But times are changing....and they are changing for the better.

TO CHANGE for the best VOTE FOR OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[gts]

interesting site poke around...

http://www.votesmart.org/index.htm

[crisoner]

As of a month ago, she didn't even know what the vice president DOES :oldlol:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12969.html


LOL


GREAT PICK MCBUSH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[crisoner]

interesting site poke around...

http://www.votesmart.org/npat.php?can_id=9490


Come on bro....anything stating Barack Hussein Obama Jr. is just another ignorant scare tactic to frighting uneducated Americans.




I respect McCain himself won't say things like this....others should follow in his example.

[Cannonball]

LOL


GREAT PICK MCBUSH!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Come on bro....anything stating Barack Hussein Obama Jr. is just another ignorant scare tactic to frighting uneducated Americans.




I respect McCain himself won't say things like this....others should follow in his example.


Oh the irony.

[schyza]

John McCain just picked someone YOUNGER than Obama. How is McCain going to criticize Obama for lack of experience? Now what is McCain going to say?

Well to play devil

[gts]

Come on bro....anything stating Barack Hussein Obama Jr. is just another ignorant scare tactic to frighting uneducated Americans.




I respect McCain himself won't say things like this....others should follow in his example.wtf are you talking about ? it's a website that gives their voting records and backgrounds... quit being such a effing clown, and stop overeacting to everything...

seriously if you're going to not look at obama's views on topics because a website uses his full name your really need to rethink walking in the voting booth next november, you're obviously not mature enough to be making a decsion like that

are you even old enough to vote?

http://www.votesmart.org/index.htm

[loot]

please vote obama. im tired of the republicans. and im not even american. :oldlol:

[bagelred]

Also I would have to look it up but when it comes to their political experience Obama and Palin have been around about the same time 2 years or so. So it’s not like she has any less experience then Obama.

You are joking right?

Obama has been a U.S. senator for almost fours and before that he was a State Senator from the 5th most populous state in the U.S. with the 3rd largest city in the U.S. for 8 years. Not to mention his impeccable background of being Columbia and Harvard educated and as a constitutional law professor.

Palin has been a governor of the 47th largest state for not even two years, of a state with no major cities whatsoever. The entire state less than 700,000 people. 18 cities have more people than Alaska.

Before that? Mayor of a town of 6000 people. :confusedshrug: She's a self described "hockey mom".


Obama is a little light on experience. Four more years as a Senator would have made sense. 2012 would have been perfect for Obama.

Palin's experience is nonexistent.

[statman32]

please vote obama. im tired of the republicans. and im not even american. :oldlol:
If people want real change they will vote Bob Barr.

[crisoner]

Oh the irony.

How is McBush a racist statement made to scare people in to voting for a certain nominee?

But it is a fact the McBu....I mean McCain has voted a long with Bush 90% of the time.

No Irony in that!!! Just fact!

[Cannonball]

How is McBush a racist statement made to scare people in to voting for a certain nominee?

But it is a fact the McBu....I mean McCain has voted a long with Bush 90% of the time.

No Irony in that!!! Just fact!
It's a scare tactic. May not be racist, but the underlying motive is the same.


Hell in some senses it's worse. Hussein is his middle name! and it's really not race people think when they hear that...

[schyza]

You are joking right?

Obama has been a U.S. senator for almost fours and before that he was a State Senator from the 5th most populous state in the U.S. with the 3rd largest city in the U.S. for 8 years. Not to mention his impeccable background of being Columbia and Harvard educated and as a constitutional law professor.

Palin has been a governor of the 47th largest state for not even two years, of a state with no major cities whatsoever. The entire state less than 700,000 people. 18 cities have more people than Alaska.

Before that? Mayor of a town of 6000 people. :confusedshrug: She's a self described "hockey mom".


Obama is a little light on experience. Four more years as a Senator would have made sense. 2012 would have been perfect for Obama.

Palin's experience is nonexistent.



Like I said I would have to look up their experience because I have never heard of her but to be honest before he announced he was running for president I had never heard of Obama either. Both have less than 5 years experience and IMHO that

[bagelred]

Like I said I would have to look up their experience because I have never heard of her but to be honest before he announced he was running for president I had never heard of Obama either. Both have less than 5 years experience and IMHO that’s not nearly enough to be Pres or even VP.:no:

But what is your take on Obama picking Biden an old white politician who has been playing the political game even longer than McCain? Do you like the pick? Could he have picked a better running mate? :confusedshrug:

I think this whole election is screwed we have a far left liberal or a liberal in republicans clothing. :banghead: :hammerhead: :rant

Biden is an excellent pick. He's been a Senator forever, but he is unbelievably experienced in foreign affairs. Also, Biden is known to speak his mind and he's not really portrayed as a true "insider". The guy takes the train back home to Delaware every night. Biden is a true blue collar guy. Look at his experiences. He's not from "blue blood" like Bush or Kerry, or even McCain. EXCELLENT choice by Obama.

Also, you think Obama is a far left liberal? Please. Far Left Liberals don't exist in Washington anymore. Does he want to decrease military spending? No. Does he want to raise everyone's taxes? Nope. He doesn't even believe in gay marriage, per se. The entire Democratic party has shifted right.

[Smokee]

loool i'm listening to WTOP right now and they keep replaying a clip of Palin giving some speech. She sounds almost squeaky annoying, definitely no Hillary. The next televised debate or whatever with her there is going to be some funny ****, can't wait :oldlol:

[crisoner]

It's a scare tactic. May not be racist, but the underlying motive is the same.


Hell in some senses it's worse. Hussein is his middle name! and it's really not race people think when they hear that...

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....Hussein...leads to Arabs...who leads to...you know where I'm going with that.
And last I checked Arab people are a race.

That goes a long with the whole right wing scare (just like the red commy scare before) to have Americans frighting that the sky is falling and vote for them.

McBush...........proof is in the 90% of the time McCain voted along with Bush.
But of course lets not mind that because it does your candidate no justice.

[Hawker]

As of a month ago, she didn't even know what the vice president DOES :oldlol:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12969.html

They really dont do anything.

[Smokee]

They really dont do anything.


well Cheney had a pretty big impact on the Bush Administration. Then again Bush seemed in a lot of ways a puppet.

And when the Presidential candidate looks like he might die any minute, i'd say his VP is VERY important.

[crisoner]

well Cheney had a pretty big impact on the Bush Administration. Then again Bush seemed in a lot of ways a puppet.

And when the Presidential candidate looks like he might die any minute, i'd say his VP is VERY important.

*cough* 70 years old *cough* McCain! *cough*

[SoCalMike]

MCCain is 72....

Palin as his VP nomination was one of the dumbest things I have seen.... talk about pandering.... its pathetically stupid and if McCain got elected (God forbid), it would put someone with pretty much NO experience as president in the highly possible event that McCain died.

Hell, this woman comes from a state that has more moose than people for christ's sake!!!!


:pimp:

[Cannonball]

*cough* 70 years old *cough* McCain! *cough*
*cough* 12 years old with a Obama crush (ala posedion with kobe) *cough*

[MaxFly]

I'm hearing word that when Palin was asked about Iraq, she mentioned that she hasn't followed the issue closely...

I don't know how to feel about that... wow... her son is going to Iraq... I hope she is a quick study.

[SoCalMike]

I'm hearing word that when Palin was asked about Iraq, she mentioned that she hasn't followed the issue closely...

I don't know how to feel about that... wow... her son is going to Iraq... I hope she is a quick study.

Shows how scary his decion is....



:pimp:

[Cannonball]

I'm hearing word that when Palin was asked about Iraq, she mentioned that she hasn't followed the issue closely...

I don't know how to feel about that... wow... her son is going to Iraq... I hope she is a quick study.
um link?

cause I'm hearing word that Obama is a Muslim extremist and want to destroy America.

I don't know how to feel about that... wow... His son is a terrorist to... I hope he is not a terrorist.

nice eh?

[SoCalMike]

um link?

cause I'm hearing word that Obama is a Muslim extremist and want to destroy America.

I don't know how to feel about that... wow... His son is a terrorist to... I hope he is not a terrorist.

nice eh?

Thats not even a reasonable counterpoint... lame.



:pimp:

[Cannonball]

Thats not even a reasonable counterpoint... lame.



:pimp:
actually it is.

:pimp: =lame

[SoCalMike]

actually it is.

:pimp: =lame

actually its not... if that is the extent of your critical reasoning, then i guess thats what it is... sorry for you.



:pimp:

[Cannonball]

actually its not... if that is the extent of your critical reasoning, then i guess thats what it is... sorry for you.



:pimp:
LOL how am I supposed to believe something that some dude "heard" on ish!

You can't be serious.

[SoCalMike]

LOL how am I supposed to believe something that some dude "heard" on ish!

You can't be serious.

I was speaking of your analogy dumbass....


:pimp:

[bagelred]

It's being reported that McCain and Palin only met twice before in their entire lives before this selection.

And yet McCain thinks she's the best VP selection of everyone he could choose from?

The media needs to call him out on this. Shameless political pandering.


Also, the VOTERS have already decided that Obama has enough experience to be the Democratic nominee..

The only person in the world who thinks Palin is ready is John McCain.

Edit:
On MSNBC this evening Andrea Mitchell reported on how minimal John McCain's interactions with his choice for vice president, Sarah Palin, have been. According to Mitchell, McCain only met Palin once. I gave McCain too much credit. Thought I heard twice.

[statman32]

It's being reported that McCain and Palin only met twice before in their entire lives before this selection.

And yet McCain thinks she's the best VP selection of everyone he could choose from?

The media needs to call him out on this. Shameless political pandering.


Also, the VOTERS have already decided that Obama has enough experience to be the Democratic nominee..

The only person in the world who thinks Palin is ready is John McCain.
Reported by who?

[bagelred]

Reported by who?

On MSNBC this evening Andrea Mitchell reported on how minimal John McCain's interactions with his choice for vice president, Sarah Palin, have been. According to Mitchell, McCain only met Palin once.

[statman32]

On MSNBC this evening Andrea Mitchell reported on how minimal John McCain's interactions with his choice for vice president, Sarah Palin, have been. According to Mitchell, McCain only met Palin once.
Enough said. :roll:

[crisoner]

On MSNBC this evening Andrea Mitchell reported on how minimal John McCain's interactions with his choice for vice president, Sarah Palin, have been. According to Mitchell, McCain only met Palin once.

WOW

It only gets better and better for Obama and Biden

:rockon:

[Cavs Fan]

Oh I love it! All this hate from the liberal men is going to play right into the hands of McCain by form of sympathy votes from women. And all these morons who think that she is not experienced enough to be VP yet Osama is perfectly qualified to be a president is hilarious too. The fact is the Obama and Paulin wouldn't be where they are today if it wasn't for being partially black and a woman, neither are PROVEN players. You know the libs are scared when you can hear shutter and hesitation in their normally clear, monotonous whine. :oldlol:

[crisoner]

Oh I love it! All this hate from the liberal men is going to play right into the hands of McCain by form of sympathy votes from women. And all these morons who think that she is not experienced enough to be VP yet Osama is perfectly qualified to be a president is hilarious too. The fact is the Obama and Paulin wouldn't be where they are today if it wasn't for being partially black and a woman, neither are PROVEN players. You know the libs are scared when you can hear shutter and hesitation in their normally clear, monotonous whine. :oldlol:

Can you please crawl back under what ever rock you came from?

So all of a sudden being Black is a privilege in America?
Wow...how times have change when the GOP fits to see it.

You do realize the jokes been on you right? The desperate attempt by McBush to challenge Obama and Bidens Historic Campaign.

And the best thing he could come up is this woman? A woman who has no experience or following. A woman who already is sought after in a scandal in her own state. All she is is a pretty face to put on the ticket next to a out of touch old man.

And never mind she is now repersenting the conservative party who must be THRILLED (lol) to have to stoop so low (in thier eyes) and pick a woman as a VP. How LIBERAL of them! LOL


Obama and Biden 08

The real thing.............

[Cavs Fan]

Can you please crawl back under what ever rock you came from?

So all of a sudden being Black is a privilege in America?
Wow...how times have change when the GOP fits to see it.

You do realize the jokes been on you right? The desperate attempt by McBush to challenge Obama and Bidens Historic Campaign.

And the best thing he could come up is this woman? A woman who has no experience or following. A woman who already is sought after in a scandal in her own state. All she is is a pretty face to put on the ticket next to a out of touch old man.

And never mind she is now repersenting the conservative party who must be THRILLED (lol) to have to stoop so low (in thier eyes) and pick a woman as a VP. How LIBERAL of them! LOL


Obama and Biden 08

The real thing.............


Pout, pout, pout and whine some more. I'm lovin' it! :oldlol:

[Knuck the Ficks]

The real thing.............
I'd be careful using the word "real" and "Joe Biden" in the same paragraph.

Do you know why he withdrew from the 1988 presidential campaign? He blatantly tried to pass off someone else's life experience as his own.

[sunsfan1357]

Very true....

I don't know how the Die Hard Conservatives will feel about this. But times are changing....and they are changing for the better.

TO CHANGE for the best VOTE FOR OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you look at her platform on social issues it's easy to see that Conservatives will love her.

[sunsfan1357]

I'd be careful using the word "real" and "Joe Biden" in the same paragraph.

Do you know why he withdrew from the 1988 presidential campaign? He blatantly tried to pass off someone else's life experience as his own.

You do know that he used and cited that speech many times throughout the campaign, right? Only time he doesn't do it and he's lambasted and forced out of the race.

*edit* Though he never had a good excuse for pliagarizing a law review article so I guess you got a point.

[Knuck the Ficks]

You do know that he used and cited that speech many times throughout the campaign, right? Only time he doesn't do it and he's lambasted and forced out of the race.
Can you show me evidence of this? I'm not saying your wrong it's just that I haven't seen evidence of that anywhere.

IMO Biden should be forgiven for that, it was over 20 years ago. But surely the Obama camp knows that this will be repeatedly brought up throughout the campaign.

[sunsfan1357]

Can you show me evidence of this? I'm not saying your wrong it's just that I haven't seen evidence of that anywhere.

IMO Biden should be forgiven for that, it was over 20 years ago. But surely the Obama camp knows that this will be repeatedly brought up throughout the campaign.



But they did not note that Biden reportedly had credited Kinnock, as The Washington Post reported at the time: "John Quinlan, a reporter for the Sioux City Journal, said his notes showed Biden said he was quoting Kinnock when he used the same passage in a speech Aug. 14. Stories in The [New York] Times, The Boston Globe and other newspapers also said Biden had used the rhetoric and credited Kinnock for it."

http://mediamatters.org/items/200808230003

[ConanRulesNBC]

Either this was the smartest move made by the republican and they'll get upset women who will ONLY be voting for him because he picked a woman.

Or this just screwed them if those upset Hillary supporters actually use their minds and think about it. Like someone pointed out on here... the Vice President is supposed to be someone who can take over for the President if something happens. Joe Biden is way more than ready to be President in case of an emergency. Sarah who??

Though... I must admit she is kind of a MILF.

[Cannonball]

Either this was the smartest move made by the republican and they'll get upset women who will ONLY be voting for him because he picked a woman.

Or this just screwed them if those upset Hillary supporters actually use their minds and think about it. Like someone pointed out on here... the Vice President is supposed to be someone who can take over for the President if something happens. Joe Biden is way more than ready to be President in case of an emergency. Sarah who??

Though... I must admit she is kind of a MILF.
Maybe McCain took too many blue pills today?

[ConanRulesNBC]

Maybe McCain took too many blue pills today?

:roll:

[Knuck the Ficks]

http://mediamatters.org/items/200808230003
From that article ...


"Biden and reporters covering his campaign said that in speeches before and after that debate the senator has given Kinnock credit for the same passionate rhetoric, which he has used repeatedly in recent weeks.

It's fine to credit someone's fire and passion. But that still doesn't explain or excuse why Joe ripped off Kinnock's life experience, something that was completely unnecessary.

It was an extremely stupid thing to do and I think he should be forgiven for it since it's been almost 20 years. But I just get the feeling that this will be repeatedly dragged up in the next few months.

[PejaNowitzki]

Read this website.

http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/index.php


Its a forum full of Hillary supporters pissed at Obama and most of them are sounding like they're going to be voting for McCain because of Palin.


Imagine if this happens nationally???

[konex]

I love how the GOP spin-doctors are saying this chick has more experience than Obama :roll:

[PejaNowitzki]

Also, the Democrats are making themselves look like asses here. If Sarah Palin, who ran a state for 2 years, considering that governor is a hell of a lot more work than senator, is too inexperienced to be VP, where does that leave Obama who is running for president?


Democrats stupidly digging their own grave again.

[PejaNowitzki]

I love how the GOP spin-doctors are saying this chick has more experience than Obama :roll:


Its not just the spin-doctors. Many people are openly accepting that. The only ones challenging it are the Democrat attack dogs. Running a state government for 2 years is a lot more difficult than showing up a meeting 2 or 3 times a week.


Janet Napolitano might have screwed it up for the Democrats when she said that her job as governor was many times harder than John McCain's as a senator because his job was "part-time."


Democrats are best off shutting the hell up and going after McCain. Attacking Palin will lead to nothing good for them.

[notorious ai3]

Read this website.

http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/index.php


Its a forum full of Hillary supporters pissed at Obama and most of them are sounding like they're going to be voting for McCain because of Palin.


Imagine if this happens nationally???

and just imagine, if all of these hillary supporters back mccain because he picked palin, and they win and the administration falters, it would set the chance of a woman president way back (whether palin has to take over for mccain or not). that's just something to consider too.

[MaxFly]

Read this website.

http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/index.php


Its a forum full of Hillary supporters pissed at Obama and most of them are sounding like they're going to be voting for McCain because of Palin.


Imagine if this happens nationally???

Lol... they're awesome. I kind of hope it does spread. It would be a sight to see.

[PejaNowitzki]

As far as independents go, I like Sarah Palin a lot. Her independent rating was high and there were signs that Ron Paul was looking at her as a potential running mate. She is not a neoconservative in the slightest. I can respect her because she's not a hypocrite.


For example-


While campaigning for governor, she promised to get rid of the governor's private plane. She did. She got rid of her own motorcade, she slashed her own salary, and she got rid of her own security detail. She may be one of the few genuine politicians left in this dreadful country. I just hope McCain doesn't bring her down, because otherwise she has a bright future.



As far as the "scandal" she is involved in, it is plain to see that the Democrats want no part of it and she has encouraged a wide-open investigation. Basically, her brother-in-law beat the **** out of her sister, tasered her nephew and she tried to get the guy canned. No woman who has ever suffered abuse at the hands of a man, or women in general will support any sort of witch-hunt against her on this issue.

[konex]

If Sarah Palin, who ran a state for 2 years, considering that governor is a hell of a lot more work than senator, is too inexperienced to be VP

Please don't compare being the governor of frikken Alaska to running larger states. Hell, I bet the mayors of most big cities do more..

Not hatin' on her but she isn't in Obama's league as far as experience goes..

[PejaNowitzki]

Please don't compare being the governor of frikken Alaska to running larger states. Hell, I bet the mayors of most big cities do more..

That was just plain ignorant when you consider how much of our natural energy/petro resources come from there. She negotiated contracts with foreign nations, and even had meetings with a variety of US leaders. She also pushed through a massive natural gas pipeline that had been simply "in plans" for 10 years. She fought oil companies and renegotiated contracts to make them more favorable for the people of Alaska. She also got rid of the damn "Bridge to Nowhere" and fought spectacular battles within her own party. She tore through the Republican Party in Alaska and wiped out a lot of the corruption that they had been involved in.

She knocked off a guy in Murkowski who was the incumbent governor, a Republican, who had been in the Senate almost as long as Biden. She fought corruption and wasteful spending and succeeded. If you want change, this is a chick who can provide tons of it. She is one that reached out to Democrats and independents, really reached out.




Not hatin' on her but she isn't in Obama's league as far as experience goes..

That's only because you don't know what she has done. Obama has spent 2+ years campaigning, check his Senate record, he was out of it more often then he was in it.



At this point in time, I'd take her experience as governor, her straight-forward honesty and general care for people, over Obama's heavy rhetoric and weak empty promises.

The difference is that when she makes promises, she has kept them. Obama makes promises, and then reneges on everything he said before.

[Kumo]

Please don't compare being the governor of frikken Alaska to running larger states. Hell, I bet the mayors of most big cities do more..

Not hatin' on her but she isn't in Obama's league as far as experience goes..

How is she not? Obama has been senator of Illinois, she was governor of Alaska... I think governor of the largest state, sandwiched between Canada and Russia would be a pretty tough job aswell. No way is he out of her "league".

[LakersDynasty]

:oldlol: She has NO experience. There's 18 cities in the U.S. that are more populated than Alaska. She has zero experience dealing with foreign affairs.

[PejaNowitzki]

:oldlol: She has NO experience. There's 18 cities in the U.S. that are more populated than Alaska.

Do they have an economy the size of Alaska? No. Nice cutesy attempt, but she boosted the economy, reduced taxes and cut spending wherever she could. If she doesn't have any "experience", then Obama, who was essentially in charge of nothing but hugging babies and shaking hands, has less than even that



[QUOTE\ She has zero experience dealing with foreign affairs.[/QUOTE]


So does Obama, so what? Doesn't stop him from running for President. Anyways, some of y'all need to stop drinking so much of the Obama Kool-Aid and quit sleeping on people like Ron Paul, Bob Barr and Sarah Palin.

[Cannonball]

Do they have an economy the size of Alaska? No. Nice cutesy attempt, but she boosted the economy, reduced taxes and cut spending wherever she could. If she doesn't have any "experience", then Obama, who was essentially in charge of nothing but hugging babies and shaking hands, has less than even that






So does Obama, so what? Doesn't stop him from running for President. Anyways, some of y'all need to stop drinking so much of the Obama Kool-Aid and quit sleeping on people like Ron Paul, Bob Barr and Sarah Palin.
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[Smokee]

Read this website.

http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/index.php


Its a forum full of Hillary supporters pissed at Obama and most of them are sounding like they're going to be voting for McCain because of Palin.


Imagine if this happens nationally???



That forum is crazy. You would think if you are for Hillary, you'd naturally take the 2nd best option in Obama. Both of them are way more similar on issues than Mccain. But its like most of them are only pro Hillary based on being a woman. The craziest thing is its like every one of them that are anti Obama/pro Palin.

Thx for the evidence i needed to prove America is stupid :hammerhead:


btw i thought this thread was hilarious for some reason

http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=26267

[Smokee]

Do they have an economy the size of Alaska? No. Nice cutesy attempt, but she boosted the economy, reduced taxes and cut spending wherever she could. If she doesn't have any "experience", then Obama, who was essentially in charge of nothing but hugging babies and shaking hands, has less than even that






So does Obama, so what? Doesn't stop him from running for President. Anyways, some of y'all need to stop drinking so much of the Obama Kool-Aid and quit sleeping on people like Ron Paul, Bob Barr and Sarah Palin.


i'm almost positive Obama had just come back from meeting with some world leaders not that long ago. Wasn't that the reason he canceled a campaign stop in the U.S. somewhere? someone correct me if i'm wrong.

Its not just Obama koolaid, its the fact that he has charisma, like Bill Clinton, and none of the people you mentioned does. I hate it when people bring up the people that had no chance of winning in the first place like we actually should have wasted our votes on people everyone knew didn't have a chance.

btw i voted for Ron Paul in primary. For some reason i was registered as a Republican and MD has some stupid ass law where they don't allow you to switch at the voting station, unlike some other states. Hes practically democrat on every issue, and the polar opposite of every other Republican that was running.

[SoCalMike]

Ahh, what a surprise.... MCCAIN/PALIN TIES TO OIL COMPANIES!

This is exactly why I am not voting republican.... They are run by the oil companies... we are at war for oil, and the decisions our government is making is not in the best interests of its people... and then McCain does the same exact thing....

This is just pathetic and the average american citizen is clueless.



> From Defenders of Wildlife:
>
> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
> August 29, 2008
> Shocking Choice by John McCain
> WASHINGTON-- Senator John McCain just announced his choice for
> running mate: Governor Sarah Palin of Alaska. To follow is a
> statement by Rodger Schlickeisen, president of Defenders of
> Wildlife Action Fund.
>
> "Senator McCain's choice for a running mate is beyond belief. By
> choosing Sarah Palin, McCain has clearly made a decision to
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>
> "Sarah Palin, whose husband works for BP (formerly British
> Petroleum), has repeatedly put special interests first when it
> comes to the environment. In her scant two years as governor, she
> has lobbied aggressively to open up the Arctic National Wildlife
> Refuge to drilling, pushed for more drilling off of Alaska's
> coasts, and put special interests above science. Ms. Palin has made
> it clear through her actions that she is unwilling to do even as
> much as the Bush administration to address the impacts of global
> warming. Her most recent effort has been to sue the U.S. Fish and
> Wildlife Service to remove the polar bear from the endangered
> species list, putting Big Oil before sound science. As unbelievable
> as this may sound, this actually puts her to the right of the Bush
> administration.
>
> "This is Senator McCain's first significant choice in building his
> executive team and it's a bad one. It has to raise serious doubts
> in the minds of voters about John McCain's commitment to
> conservation, to addressing the impacts of global warming and to
> ensuring our country ends its dependency on oil."
> ###

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> provides a powerful voice in Washington to Americans who value our
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:pimp:

[Cannonball]

i'm almost positive Obama had just come back from meeting with some world leaders not that long ago. Wasn't that the reason he canceled a campaign stop in the U.S. somewhere? someone correct me if i'm wrong.

Its not just Obama koolaid, its the fact that he has charisma, like Bill Clinton, and none of the people you mentioned does. I hate it when people bring up the people that had no chance of winning in the first place like we actually should have wasted our votes on people everyone knew didn't have a chance.

btw i voted for Ron Paul in primary. For some reason i was registered as a Republican and MD has some stupid ass law where they don't allow you to switch at the voting station, unlike some other states. Hes practically democrat on every issue, and the polar opposite of every other Republican that was running.
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/loverman13/Funny%20Pictures/EpicFail.jpg

[Smokee]

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/loverman13/Funny%20Pictures/EpicFail.jpg


He wasn't for pulling out of Iraq? He wasn't for downsizing and less government expenditure? He didn't even believe in religion in politics or pro life i believe. There was a lot more that i can't remember right now but he was the polar opposite of every other Republican on the debate stage. Basically Democrat. Did you watch the debates?

I guess not :rolleyes:

[SoCalMike]

He wasn't for pulling out of Iraq? He wasn't for downsizing and less government expenditure? He didn't even believe in religion in politics or pro life i believe. There was a lot more that i can't remember right now but he was the polar opposite of every other Republican on the debate stage. Basically Democrat. Did you watch the debates?

I guess not :rolleyes:

he is either a troll or completely ignorant... take your pick... seriously....


:pimp:

[Cavs Fan]

btw i voted for Ron Paul in primary. For some reason i was registered as a Republican and MD has some stupid ass law where they don't allow you to switch at the voting station, unlike some other states. Hes practically democrat on every issue, and the polar opposite of every other Republican that was running.

Yeah right. I lean to the right and I would vote for Ron Paul in a heart beat. He gets an A++ from the NRA and would allow illegals NO benefits, none, they could die outside the hospital and starve to death if the broke into this country for all Ron Paul cares. Not to mention some other hardline right wing issues. "Practically democrat on every issue", put the roach down homie. :rolleyes:

[Cannonball]

He wasn't for pulling out of Iraq? He wasn't for downsizing and less government expenditure? He didn't even believe in religion in politics. There was a lot more that i can't remember right now but he was the polar opposite of every other Republican on the debate stage. Basically Democrat. Did you watch the debates?

I guess not :rolleyes:
Yeah I did....

WOW if you think Ron Paul is a democrat. JUST WOW He's the ANTI-Liberal I mean complete and udder free-market beast! You sir are insane.

Also he is pro-life...

[Cannonball]

he is either a troll or completely ignorant... take your pick... seriously....


:pimp:
you better be talking about smoke or you are also completely insane.

[Smokee]

Yeah I did....

WOW if you think Ron Paul is a democrat. JUST WOW He's the ANTI-Liberal I mean complete and udder free-market beast! You sir are insane.

Also he is pro-life...



What is 'anti-liberal' if he believed in everything the Democrats did more or less on the big issues? And basically disagreed with every other Republican there on everything?

I'm almost positive he ducked the religious question. I can't remember specifically, and i know theres a lot of other stuff they talked about that i'm not remembering where he was basically on the Democratic side of the issue. I just kept wondering why he was even running as a Republican every time i heard him talk.

You also realize the current Republican party is not like the old Republican party? Liberal - Conservative....how the hell is Bush 'conservative'? You don't think the Democrats want to spend less, and get us the hell out of Iraq? Those labels seemed to have more meaning 15+ years ago than they do these days, and you spout that **** like a tard.

someone find a youtube of the Republican debates to prove this since i'm positive Ron Paul basically said the opposite of what every other Rep candidate was for...and thats why i voted for him :pimp:

[SoCalMike]

you better be talking about smoke or you are also completely insane.

I am talking about you cowboy.... the more you say, the more I realize that it is impossible to have an intelligent debate with you. You are completely uninformed and ignorant of american politics.



:pimp:

[MaxFly]

Do they have an economy the size of Alaska? No. Nice cutesy attempt, but she boosted the economy,

She boosted the Alaskan economy by levying a profits winfall tax on oil companies doing business in Alaska, raking in billions for their economy... Does that sound familiar? It's the same idea Obama has been championing and Republicans have been criticizing... especially McCain.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2008103325_alaskatax07.html

[QUOTE]Republicans in Congress this June united to defeat a proposed windfall tax on oil companies, deriding it as a bad idea that would discourage investment in U.S. oil exploration.

Things worked out far differently in the GOP stronghold of Alaska, a state whose economic fate is closely tied to the oil industry.

Over the opposition of oil companies, Republican Gov. Sarah Palin and Alaska's Legislature last year approved a major increase in taxes on the oil industry

[Cannonball]

What is 'anti-liberal' if he believed in everything the Democrats did more or less on the big issues? And basically disagreed with every other Republican there on everything?

I'm almost positive he ducked the religious question. I can't remember specifically, and i know theres a lot of other stuff they talked about that i'm not remembering where he was basically on the Democratic side of the issue. I just kept wondering why he was even running as a Republican every time i heard him talk.

You also realize the current Republican party is not like the old Republican party? Liberal - Conservative....how the hell is Bush 'conservative'? You don't think the Democrats want to spend less, and get us the hell out of Iraq? Those labels seemed to have more meaning 15+ years ago than they do these days, and you spout that **** like a tard.

someone find a youtube of the Republican debates to prove this since i'm positive Ron Paul basically said the opposite of what every other Rep candidate was for...and thats why i voted for him :pimp:
AHAHAHAHAH dude you are so ****ing lost.

Democrats want a socialist setup.

RP wants American to have a complete free-market.

It's insane how lost you are...

Sure he disagreed with a lot of what the other Republicans had to say, because they are WAY to moderate for him. He is the anti-liberal.

[Cannonball]

I am talking about you cowboy.... the more you say, the more I realize that it is impossible to have an intelligent debate with you. You are completely uninformed and ignorant of american politics.



:pimp:
and RP is basically a democrat.

[SoCalMike]

and RP is basically a democrat.

Once again, I don't know what the hell you are talking about.... if you really believe that RP is a democrat then you are more seriously confused in life than I thought.



:pimp:

[Cannonball]

Once again, I don't know what the hell you are talking about.... if you really believe that RP is a democrat then you are more seriously confused in life than I thought.



:pimp:
:roll: backpedal.com

ROFL DUDE ROFL. Did you delete your post too? :applause: :applause:

[Smokee]

AHAHAHAHAH dude you are so ****ing lost.

Democrats want a socialist setup.

RP wants American to have a complete free-market.

It's insane how lost you are...

Sure he disagreed with a lot of what the other Republicans had to say, because they are WAY to moderate for him. He is the anti-liberal.


So you are calling wanting universal healthcare 'socialist'? Or is it the higher taxing of the rich?

i'm talking about most of the big issues talked about in the debates. How is he supposedly the opposite of Democrats(anti-liberal), when he agreed with them on more things than he agreed with the other Republicans?

how is more expenditure and bigger government 'conservative?'

[SoCalMike]

:roll: backpedal.com

ROFL DUDE ROFL. Did you delete your post too? :applause: :applause:

What the hell are you talking about freak? Seriously, you concern me as you are arguing stupidity with so many people that you have no clue who you are debating with.... my God man....

Are you really this dense?



:pimp:

[Cannonball]

What the hell are you talking about freak? Seriously, you concern me as you are arguing stupidity with so many people that you have no clue who you are debating with.... my God man....

Are you really this dense?



:pimp:
you know exactly what i'm talking about...

[MaxFly]

and would allow illegals NO benefits, none, they could die outside the hospital and starve to death if the broke into this country for all Ron Paul cares.

Sounds like an awesome America...

[MaxFly]

I had to post this again... see if I get a response.


Do they have an economy the size of Alaska? No. Nice cutesy attempt, but she boosted the economy,

She boosted the Alaskan economy by levying a profits winfall tax on oil companies doing business in Alaska, raking in billions for their economy... Does that sound familiar? It's the same idea Obama has been championing and Republicans have been criticizing... especially McCain.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2008103325_alaskatax07.html


Republicans in Congress this June united to defeat a proposed windfall tax on oil companies, deriding it as a bad idea that would discourage investment in U.S. oil exploration.

Things worked out far differently in the GOP stronghold of Alaska, a state whose economic fate is closely tied to the oil industry.

Over the opposition of oil companies, Republican Gov. Sarah Palin and Alaska's Legislature last year approved a major increase in taxes on the oil industry — a step that has generated stunning new wealth for the state as oil prices soared.

I'm starting to wonder whether Govenor Palin was properly vetted. This is a little embarrassing.

[Laker4Lyfe]

Read this website.

http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/index.php


Its a forum full of Hillary supporters pissed at Obama and most of them are sounding like they're going to be voting for McCain because of Palin.


Imagine if this happens nationally???

Please direct me to these post/posters because I can't find what you're describing.

[Cannonball]

Sounds like an awesome America...
Just an example to show how different RP and the democrats stand on issues.

[MaxFly]

Just an example to show how different RP and the democrats stand on issues.

What do you think of Sarah Palin's support of Obama's position on windfall profits taxes on oil companies?

[Kumo]

It was sarcasm Maxfly, I don't think he was real concerned about getting the facts straight.

[MaxFly]

Originally Posted by PejaNowitzki
Read this website.

http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/index.php


Its a forum full of Hillary supporters pissed at Obama and most of them are sounding like they're going to be voting for McCain because of Palin.


Imagine if this happens nationally???

I wonder if they've heard about this yet...

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/08/flashback_palin_said_she_didnt.php


Today in Ohio, new McCain veep pick Sarah Palin made a big play for Hillary voters by referencing her now-famous "18 million cracks in the glass ceiling" quote.

But Newsweek reports that back in March, at a Women and Leadership event held by the mag, Palin's view of Hillary wasn't quite as charitable:

Once onstage, together with Arizona Gov. Janet Napolitano, Palin talked about what women expect from women leaders; how she took charge in Alaska during a political scandal that threatened to unseat the state's entire Republican power structure, and her feelings about Sen. Hillary Clinton. (She said she felt kind of bad she couldn't support a woman, but she didn't like Clinton's "whining.")

Hillary supporters will be elated to hear that Palin criticized Hillary for whining.

[MaxFly]

LOL
I was completely joking about the Obama terrorist comment. I just was using it as an example to show people not to post stuff with-out links.

I know it was sarcams... that's why I responded with the comment about Obama's son... lol.

I still want to get your thought's on Govenor Palin's thoughts on Iraq.

[statman32]

I still want to get your thought's on Govenor Palin's thoughts on Iraq.
Considering that was a year ago, those might not be her current thoughts.

[Cannonball]

I know it was sarcams... that's why I responded with the comment about Obama's son... lol.

I still want to get your thought's on Govenor Palin's thoughts on Iraq.
It's deff. odd.

I mean how do you not have an opinion on it?

Maybe the question came up when she was leaving a hotel or something?

Like just leave me alone, type of thing?

[Laker4Lyfe]

Well she's off to a good old republican start. She's told her first lie already. In her speech today she said she had told congress "no thank you" regarding the "bridge to nowhere".

Seems that's not the case, seems she was "for it" before she was "against it".

http://faithfulprogressive.blogspot.com/2008/08/sarah-palin-was-for-bridge-to-nowhere.html

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_08/014466.php

[SoCalMike]

McCain Mutiny. ;)

A must-see:

URL: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/29/11757/7150/175/578516 (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/29/11757/7150/175/578516)

Excerpt (at 2:50):

Palin: "[A]s for that V.P. talk all the time, I'll tell you, I still can't
answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the V.P. does every day? I'm used to being very productive and working real hard in an administration. We want to make sure that that V.P. slot would be a fruitful type of position, especially for Alaskans and for the things that we're trying to accomplish up here for the rest of the U.S., before I can even start addressing that question."




:pimp:

[statman32]

Well she's off to a good old republican start. She's told her first lie already. In her speech today she said she had told congress "no thank you" regarding the "bridge to nowhere".

Seems that's not the case, seems she was "for it" before she was "against it".

http://faithfulprogressive.blogspot.com/2008/08/sarah-palin-was-for-bridge-to-nowhere.html

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_08/014466.php
That wasnt a lie. She was for it but she changed her mind awhile ago and has been fighting against it.

[MaxFly]

It's deff. odd.

I mean how do you not have an opinion on it?

Maybe the question came up when she was leaving a hotel or something?

Like just leave me alone, type of thing?

She was sitting down in an interview.

[SoCalMike]

That wasnt a lie. She was for it but she changed her mind awhile ago and has been fighting against it.

Whether we want to term it as a lie or not, what is relevant is the record of an individual in the past and present... if we are assessing one's character and decision making ability, it does become germain to the analysis.

Goodness knows that both presidential candidates have been picked apart every which way. Sarah Palin is very new on the political scene and this sort of thing is going to flow strongly and people will be able to draw their own conclusions.




:pimp:

[Laker4Lyfe]

That wasnt a lie. She was for it but she changed her mind awhile ago and has been fighting against it.

After she got how much money? Do you know how many millions of dollars went to Alaska for those/that bridge/s?

So after she felt like they had got enough she said "no thanks"?

[MaxFly]

Well she's off to a good old republican start. She's told her first lie already. In her speech today she said she had told congress "no thank you" regarding the "bridge to nowhere".

Seems that's not the case, seems she was "for it" before she was "against it".

http://faithfulprogressive.blogspot.com/2008/08/sarah-palin-was-for-bridge-to-nowhere.html

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_08/014466.php

The more this unfolds, the more this seems like another Harriet Miers debacle... I honestly feel bad for Govenor Palin because this isn't here fault.

[SoCalMike]

The more this unfolds, the more this seems like another Harriet Miers debacle... I honestly feel bad for Govenor Palin because this isn't here fault.

Agreed... it seems likely that she was chosen for this role (likely by the RNC) and perhaps she never considered it herself? Something just does not seem to be adding up with this selection... there's too much low hanging "fodder" it seems.



:pimp:

[statman32]

Whether we want to term it as a lie or not, what is relevant is the record of an individual in the past and present... if we are assessing one's character and decision making ability, it does become germain to the analysis.

Goodness knows that both presidential candidates have been picked apart every which way. Sarah Palin is very new on the political scene and this sort of thing is going to flow strongly and people will be able to draw their own conclusions.




:pimp:
Yes and plenty of people are very ignorant right now because she is new to the scene. They see one story and automatically report it like its the truth without actually looking into it further.

Look I still have no idea who I'm voting for but I think all this information coming out right now has to be taken with a grain of salt

[Homeslice]

Once again, I don't know what the hell you are talking about.... if you really believe that RP is a democrat then you are more seriously confused in life than I thought.



:pimp:

How could you not know he was being sarcastic if you read a single chunk of text in his posts ? Especially when he gave you a chance to address your obvious confusion.

Boy you got shook!

[SoCalMike]

Yes and plenty of people are very ignorant right now because she is new to the scene. They see one story and automatically report it like its the truth without actually looking into it further.

Look I still have no idea who I'm voting for but I think all this information coming out right now has to be taken with a grain of salt

Some of what you say is true, but there is Youtube that has videos of interviews of her (etc) that confirm some of the things that have been said.... but you are right, at least you are doing your diligence before you make up your mind. Thats the right thing and smart thing to do.



:pimp:

[DatZNasty]

She has great foreign policy experience because Alaska is right there on the border of Russia and Canada

[SoCalMike]

How could you not know he was being sarcastic if you read a single chunk of text in his posts ? Especially when he gave you a chance to address your obvious confusion.

Boy you got shook!

I ignored that response as it did not merit one. I am not in this discussion to play games and be sarcastic.... so if you think I got "shook," I could not care less. Good for you.



:pimp:

[sunsfan1357]

She has great foreign policy experience because Alaska is right there on the border of Russia and Canada

:roll: When I heard that earlier I couldn't stop from laughing my ass off. Good work Fox News.

[statman32]

After she got how much money? Do you know how many millions of dollars went to Alaska for those/that bridge/s?

So after she felt like they had got enough she said "no thanks"?
Yes and the money they got wasnt near enough what it would have cost to build the bridge that was a symbol of federal pork-barrel spending.

They actually spent that money on roads and things of use rather than building a bridge to a island with minimal people on it.

But lets knock on her for correcting a mistake.

EDIT: This is my first view on the subject. It might change after more researching. I may or may not be wrong on the matter.

[MaxFly]

Considering that was a year ago, those might not be her current thoughts.

You know, I'd accept this as an excuse, but by 2007, the war in Iraq had already been going on for almost years. Alaska had troops in Iraq... How could she be an experienced politician yet not have a stance on the war... People have cited her experience, but what of her foreign policy experience. She didn't seem to even have a solid opinion on Iraq as little as a year ok.

[MaxFly]

Agreed... it seems likely that she was chosen for this role (likely by the RNC) and perhaps she never considered it herself? Something just does not seem to be adding up with this selection... there's too much low hanging "fodder" it seems.



:pimp:

Certainly seems like there's a trick... like the RNC will pop out tomorrow like "psyche!!!!" we were just playing... :confusedshrug:

[statman32]

You know, I'd accept this as an excuse, but by 2007, the war in Iraq had already been going on for almost years. Alaska had troops in Iraq... How could she be an experienced politician yet not have a stance on the war... People have cited her experience, but what of her foreign policy experience. She didn't seem to even have a solid opinion on Iraq as little as a year ok.
Because she isnt a very experienced politician. While this might hurt her, I think it could also be a good thing because some of these experienced politicians seem so stuck on there ways even when they are wrong.

Also one excuse could be that she did not want to get into her stance on the war. I have seen plenty of politicians give this same kind of answer to questions because they dont want to say something that could end up hurting them later. Not saying its true but it could be. It will be interesting to see what she will say about it now because there is no getting away from the question.

[west_tip]

MCCain is 72....

Palin as his VP nomination was one of the dumbest things I have seen.... talk about pandering.... its pathetically stupid and if McCain got elected (God forbid), it would put someone with pretty much NO experience as president in the highly possible event that McCain died.

Hell, this woman comes from a state that has more moose than people for christ's sake!!!!


:pimp:

spot on milke, its a very cheesy attempt to try and grab some women votes, just like the daddy yankee was a plug for latino votes.

all very embarassing.

[kingpala]

Asked about who this woman would vote for... she replied:

"As a mother of 5... Sarah."

And people say how did Bush succeed for a second term in the office... Well, with people like this woman here, Charles Barkley would have a chance to run our country if he was appealing enough to the people and crossdressed to appear so to the female population.

I mean, they're voting not for the obvious reasons, but instead for gender. Wtf is that? She's a woman... we get it. Does that mean she will do a good job? No.

I have no hope for this country or world anymore. Why was it that these people were allowed to breed to begin with? I call for international laws on breeding. IQs lower than 75 should get a vasectomy or tubal ligation.

[crisoner]

Well....I can't knock how much it means to Women to have a Woman as 2nd in command. That's like telling an African American who grew up in segregation that it shouldn't mean anything to them that Obama is black.


But put her on the stage with McCain....Obama and Biden.
Come on now....she ain't no Hillary etc.

And if you were voting for Hilary this woman has the exact opposite message Hilary had. Come on now.

[HitandRun Reggie]

Asked about who this woman would vote for... she replied:

"As a mother of 5... Sarah."

And people say how did Bush succeed for a second term in the office... Well, with people like this woman here, Charles Barkley would have a chance to run our country if he was appealing enough to the people and crossdressed to appear so to the female population.

I mean, they're voting not for the obvious reasons, but instead for gender. Wtf is that? She's a woman... we get it. Does that mean she will do a good job? No.

I have no hope for this country or world anymore. Why was it that these people were allowed to breed to begin with? I call for international laws on breeding. IQs lower than 75 should get a vasectomy or tubal ligation.

Have you seen regional and demographical IQ statistics? I can only assume you want a world colored mostly of white and yellow you effin racist.

[Cannonball]

Asked about who this woman would vote for... she replied:

"As a mother of 5... Sarah."

And people say how did Bush succeed for a second term in the office... Well, with people like this woman here, Charles Barkley would have a chance to run our country if he was appealing enough to the people and crossdressed to appear so to the female population.

I mean, they're voting not for the obvious reasons, but instead for gender. Wtf is that? She's a woman... we get it. Does that mean she will do a good job? No.

I have no hope for this country or world anymore. Why was it that these people were allowed to breed to begin with? I call for international laws on breeding. IQs lower than 75 should get a vasectomy or tubal ligation.
That's going to drastically reduce your chance of a hot wife...

[kingpala]

Have you seen regional and demographical IQ statistics? I can only assume you want a world colored mostly of white and yellow you effin racist.

How am I the racist when you're the one assuming minorities (besides Asians) have low IQ. :oldlol: Am I the only one seeing this? So gtfo and sack my cack while you're at it, troll. The lady that spoke was white.

[Day La Ghetto]

Asked about who this woman would vote for... she replied:

"As a mother of 5... Sarah."

And people say how did Bush succeed for a second term in the office... Well, with people like this woman here, Charles Barkley would have a chance to run our country if he was appealing enough to the people and crossdressed to appear so to the female population.

I mean, they're voting not for the obvious reasons, but instead for gender. Wtf is that? She's a woman... we get it. Does that mean she will do a good job? No.

I have no hope for this country or world anymore. Why was it that these people were allowed to breed to begin with? I call for international laws on breeding. IQs lower than 75 should get a vasectomy or tubal ligation.

typing just to type huh?

[MaxFly]

It will be interesting to see what she will say about it now because there is no getting away from the question.

Indeed. The beauty of the situation is that she will likely adopt John McCain's views on the war without ever having to espouse her own beliefs or having to show that she had her own views in the first place. This is actually pretty unique for a VP nominee concerning such an important issue.

[InspiredLebowski]

Forgive me if it's been posted, but she's been quoted asking "what exactly does a VP do all day?" Just a few weeks ago. Find your own link.

[crisoner]

Forgive me if it's been posted, but she's been quoted asking "what exactly does a VP do all day?" Just a few weeks ago. Find your own link.


YUP!

This was a great gift by McCain on his own B-day!!!!

OBAMA and BIDEN 08!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:hammertime: :hammertime: :hammertime: :hammertime:

[MaxFly]

Forgive me if it's been posted, but she's been quoted asking "what exactly does a VP do all day?" Just a few weeks ago. Find your own link.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/29/sarah-palin-what-exactly_n_122514.html

To be honest, she said that partly to praise her own role as Govenor of Alaska, saying "I'm used to being very productive and working real hard in an administration. We want to make sure that that VP slot would be a fruitful type of position." Unfortunately, I'm not sure if she's aware that the VP spot has become a very powerful position as of late. Al Gore and Dick Cheney weren't exactly sitting around and doing photo ops the last 16 years. Moreover, I'm a little disappointed she would say this given the huge role Dick Cheney has had in influencing American Foreign Policy and Energy Policy here in the US. The VP role isn't a high publicity role, but she should have known how important it is. I hope she was just joking around, not expecting to actually be picked.

[Kumo]

lol at all the dems angry because some women will vote for McCain because of the VP, when the same thing goes with Obama and blacks.

[steve]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/29/sarah-palin-what-exactly_n_122514.html

To be honest, she said that partly to praise her own role as Govenor of Alaska, saying "I'm used to being very productive and working real hard in an administration. We want to make sure that that VP slot would be a fruitful type of position." Unfortunately, I'm not sure if she's aware that the VP spot has become a very powerful position as of late. Al Gore and Dick Cheney weren't exactly sitting around and doing photo ops the last 16 years. Moreover, I'm a little disappointed she would say this given the huge role Dick Cheney has had in influencing American Foreign Policy and Energy Policy here in the US. The VP role isn't a high publicity role, but she should have known how important it is. I hope she was just joking around, not expecting to actually be picked.
Well, really, the role of the Vice President really depends on how the president uses him (or her). Cheney has been used a great deal but Gore really wasn't used by Clinton (most of, if not all of his notoriety has come after his stint as Vice President). Not to mention that the line is taken primarily out of context as she's not questioning what the Vice President does so much as how much of an impact she can have as Vice President, which would be a definite concern for her because it's really unknown how McCain would use the Vice President.

[Kebab Stall]

lol at all the dems angry because some women will vote for McCain because of the VP, when the same thing goes with Obama and blacks.
Not to mention all the idiots who are voting for McCain just because he isn't black.

[crisoner]

OBAMA and Biden 08!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Kumo]

Not to mention all the idiots who are voting for McCain just because he isn't black.

Well, there are a lot of idiots in the world of politics... See above poster...

[crisoner]

Well, there are a lot of idiots in the world of politics... See above poster...


Who is the idiot?

My candidate choose a person who is perfectly fit to run this country as his second.

Your candidate in a desperate move just choose someone he met once and is a virtual unknown.
Case closed.

[bagelred]

This is classic. She's in Pennsylvania now with McCain.



The first-term Alaska governor told reporters she was having fun in her new role. "It's great to see another part of the country," she said. She also said she'd managed to get a little sleep during the night.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/30/palin-in-pennsylvania-its_n_122661.html

Her cluelessness will actually probably HELP with the Republican base. They seem to like people who are not too bright or up to speed on things. Maybe they can have a beer with her? :confusedshrug:

[Kumo]

Who is the idiot?

My candidate choose a person who is perfectly fit to run this country as his second.

Your candidate in a desperate move just choose someone he met once and is a virtual unknown.
Case closed.

I'm not saying my candidate is better or worse than yours, I'm just saying your a retard.
Case closed.

[sunsfan1357]

Palin rates substantially below other recent vice presidential selectees in terms of perceptions that she is qualified to serve as president. Asked if from what they know about Sarah Palin, they believe she is "qualified to serve as president it if becomes necessary," only 39% of Americans say yes, while almost as many, 33%, say no.

These results are highly partisan in nature -- 63% of Republicans say she is qualified, but 53% of Democrats say she is not. Independents are more likely to say she is qualified (41%) than not (31%).

http://www.gallup.com/poll/109951/Palin-Unknown-Most-Americans.aspx

Also let's not forget, even according to the article I just linked to, that most people don't care who the VP is, it doesn't sway their vote one way or the ohter.

[Dasher]

Why Palin? McCain v. Rove


Why did John McCain select Sarah Palin as his running mate? The real reason is that he made an impulsive decision to prove his independence from Karl Rove, who was lobbying for Mitt Romney....

Note the Huffington Post is a tad bit on the liberal side depending on whom you ask, but it is a nice theory and makes a bit of sense. In the past McCain has proven to be hot-headed and impulsive.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sidney-blumenthal/why-palin-mccain-v-rove_b_122841.html

[IlliniFan]

I'm not saying my candidate is better or worse than yours, I'm just saying your a retard.
Case closed.
Classic. Calling people retards when you can't even put the sentence together properly.

[boozehound]

I'm not saying my candidate is better or worse than yours, I'm just saying your a retard.
Case closed.
wow, you make a strong argument there. You are the worst poster ive seen since dreamyaotmac

[Rasheed1]

I think the most obvious thing here is Mccain is an idiot.....


He just opened the door to a whole new list of controversies, all of them avoidable.

female aint been on the ticket a full week and we already have multiple issues surrounding her.

this looks like a hail mary pass from the mccain camp... it really underscores a sense of desperation..... like a fake punt or some gimmick play designed to instantly get the republicans back in the game...

they have effectively undercut their best argument against Obama by bringing in a female with less experience than him (which wouldnt normally be a big deal, cept that Mccain is 72 yrs old and could very well die in office if he were to become president...) The idea of this female being the president is seriously a joke..

her only real value is to dress up the republican image in some nice clothes to make them look more like regular folk...

this changes none of mccains f*cked up policies or anything that Americans are supposed to be focused on.... it's just lipstick on the republican pig :confusedshrug:

Its interesting for me to watch and see if Americans are indeed this dumb to be pulled in by this tactic......

After the Bush regime, there shouldnt be anything that would take the people's eye off the ball in this election... but that hasnt been the case..

It amazes me how absurd this whole thing gotten

[JtotheIzzo]

I think the most obvious thing here is Mccain is an idiot.....


He just opened the door to a whole new list of controversies, all of them avoidable.

female aint been on the ticket a full week and we already have multiple issues surrounding her.

this looks like a hail mary pass from the mccain camp... it really underscores a sense of desperation..... like a fake punt or some gimmick play designed to instantly get the republicans back in the game...

they have effectively undercut their best argument against Obama by bringing in a female with less experience than him (which wouldnt normally be a big deal, cept that Mccain is 72 yrs old and could very well die in office if he were to become president...) The idea of this female being the president is seriously a joke..

her only real value is to dress up the republican image in some nice clothes to make them look more like regular folk...

this changes none of mccains f*cked up policies or anything that Americans are supposed to be focused on.... it's just lipstick on the republican pig :confusedshrug:

Its interesting for me to watch and see if Americans are indeed this dumb to be pulled in by this tactic......

After the Bush regime, there shouldnt be anything that would take the people's eye off the ball in this election... but that hasnt been the case..

It amazes me how absurd this whole thing gotten

here here :applause:

[Dasher]

Last night Larry King asked some Republican congresswoman could McCain had made better choice for VP, and she refused to answer the question. It was hilarious, I thougt James Carville was going to have an aneurysm.

[statman32]

Last night Larry King asked some Republican congresswoman could McCain had made better choice for VP, and she refused to answer the question. It was hilarious, I thougt James Carville was going to have an aneurysm.
I did find that funny. She kept saying "That is who McCain chose as his vice-president".

I found the democrat lady to be less intelligent though. She had some of the worst logic ever.

[ALBballer]

Last night Larry King asked some Republican congresswoman could McCain had made better choice for VP, and she refused to answer the question. It was hilarious, I thougt James Carville was going to have an aneurysm.

That woman was scary. She was staring out in lala land and was smiling the whole time.

And I loved how she kept saying Palin would be fine because "she's a tough cookie" and Carville was like fine so how does that translate into foreign relations, and she wouldn't answer.

[Dasher]

Tough cookie apparently is the official party phrase for describing Mrs. Palin. I hear it everytime I flip the channels.

[boozehound]

I prefer my cookies moist and chewy. a tough cookie is never a good thing. I think they call those things biscuits in jolly old.

[Rasheed1]

Last night Larry King asked some Republican congresswoman could McCain had made better choice for VP, and she refused to answer the question. It was hilarious, I thougt James Carville was going to have an aneurysm.

I just watched on the net :oldlol:

caraville could barely believe what he was hearing.... you can hear people cracking up in the background when the female insists that Palin is qualified because she sold a plane on E-bay :oldlol:

like I said, it is amazing how absurd this whole thing is getting

[crisoner]

I just watched on the net :oldlol:

caraville could barely believe what he was hearing.... you can hear people cracking up in the background when the female insists that Palin is qualified because she sold a plane on E-bay :oldlol:

like I said, it is amazing how absurd this whole thing is getting


Me and my wife were watching that as well and couldn't believe what we were hearing.

One thing I noticed is that women didn't blink man. She was so concentrated on pushing her own agenda it was hilarious.

[bagelred]

She's a crazy Christian. Watch the video on this page:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html#postComment

[schyza]

Originally Posted by bagelred
You are joking right?

Obama has been a U.S. senator for almost fours and before that he was a State Senator from the 5th most populous state in the U.S. with the 3rd largest city in the U.S. for 8 years. Not to mention his impeccable background of being Columbia and Harvard educated and as a constitutional law professor.

Palin has been a governor of the 47th largest state for not even two years, of a state with no major cities whatsoever. The entire state less than 700,000 people. 18 cities have more people than Alaska.

Before that? Mayor of a town of 6000 people. She's a self described "hockey mom".


Obama is a little light on experience. Four more years as a Senator would have made sense. 2012 would have been perfect for Obama.

Palin's experience is nonexistent.


Originally Posted by Schyza
Like I said I would have to look up their experience because I have never heard of her but to be honest before he announced he was running for president I had never heard of Obama either.

So now that I

[boozehound]

[QUOTE=schyza]So now that I

[bagelred]

So now that I’ve had more time to hear about her and now that there is a little more information about her out there I can honestly say that I feel she is just as if not more ready for the position she’s running for then Obama and Biden.



Two years ago at this time, Sarah Palin's biggest accomplishment in life was the Mayor of a town in Alaska of 6000 people. She's been out of the country once in her life. She's lived in Alaska almost her whole life. She graduated University of Idaho after attending 5 other colleges. With a journalism degree.

Obama graduated Columbia and Harvard, head of Harvard Law Review, lived in hawaii, indonesia, New york, california, illinois, and DC. Community Organizer in Chicago, Lawyer private practice, state senator Illinois 6 years, 4 years U.S. Senator, published 2 books, speech at 2004 election floor of DNC, defeated top Democrats by getting votes of 20 million Democrats to earn nomination.

By your definition of "experience", If i was in charge of the local tenants association, where I made "executive decisions" and balanced a budget, I'd be more qualified than Obama.

Also, you lose any credibility by saying you think Palin is more ready to president than Biden. I mean, that is laughable.


Are we done?

[boozehound]

base by opinion strictly on who I feel is a more genuine individual one who has a history that can back up their claims. :D
yes, like her claims of being against earmarked funding by turning down the bridge to nowhere (which was already a dead project before she said anything about it) while asking for the largest amount of federal money of any state last year (despite being the third smallest state). Clearly shes against earmarked, pork barrel spending.

For putting a plane on ebay and not selling it? :hammerhead:

[Rasheed1]

yes, like her claims of being against earmarked funding by turning down the bridge to nowhere (which was already a dead project before she said anything about it) while asking for the largest amount of federal money of any state last year (despite being the third smallest state). Clearly shes against earmarked, pork barrel spending.

For putting a plane on ebay and not selling it? :hammerhead:


the one that really sorta makes me mad is the one where she looks at the camera and states she is an advocate for parents with special needs children and then I read the next day that she cut the special ed budget in her state by 62%....

62% is alot...

[gts]

jimmy carter was a first term govenor of georgia when he was elected... i belive more govenors have become presidents then senators in the last 100 years.. be kinda fun to look up, but my computer speed is way down at the moment so i'm not the motivated to google too much

[schyza]

you had never heard of obama befoere the ran for president? Dont watch the news much eh? Didnt bother with the Gingrich Quote, but you must be brain dead if you think being the gov of the 3rd smallest state for 2 years and the mayor of a hick village of 6k for 9 years comes close to either Biden (how long has he been a national political figure? He can call the heads of states as a senator and arrange a diplomatic visit) and Obama, who has been in national politics for 4 years more than Palin (0 years) and an important figure in one of the biggest states in the country for a decade.
This women hadnt even left the country before last year (when she went to canada :rolleyes: ), yet her being the gov of podunk AK is international experience because its close to Siberia? This women had a grand total of 1700 votes ever for her (2 mayorial elections in her village) before running for governor.


Checkmate you won

[boozehound]

[QUOTE=schyza] Obama has done nothing zip zilch natha. Oh and to answer your question I probably watch 2-3 hours of news a night I love switching it back and forth between CNN and Fox news to get the liberal (CNN) and the conservative (Fox News) versions.

Oh and Alaska may be one of the smallest in population but it

[schyza]

Two years ago at this time, Sarah Palin's biggest accomplishment in life was the Mayor of a town in Alaska of 6000 people. She's been out of the country once in her life. She's lived in Alaska almost her whole life. She graduated University of Idaho after attending 5 other colleges. With a journalism degree.

Obama graduated Columbia and Harvard, head of Harvard Law Review, lived in hawaii, indonesia, New york, california, illinois, and DC. Community Organizer in Chicago, Lawyer private practice, state senator Illinois 6 years, 4 years U.S. Senator, published 2 books, speech at 2004 election floor of DNC, defeated top Democrats by getting votes of 20 million Democrats to earn nomination.

By your definition of "experience", If i was in charge of the local tenants association, where I made "executive decisions" and balanced a budget, I'd be more qualified than Obama.

Also, you lose any credibility by saying you think Palin is more ready to president than Biden. I mean, that is laughable.


Are we done?

Were done if you

[Dasher]

Well Obama has been called in to help iron out a cease-fire which is something that McCain can not claim.

[boozehound]

Keep thinking a guy with nothing to point to is more experienced then the maverick. Obama has done nothing zip zilch natha.
really? you are gonna repeat this blatant falsehood? If you are gonna lie through your teeth why dont you pull a Guiliani and say Palin got more votes for Mayor (1700 in two elections) than Biden got in the primaries (over 70,000). are you at all familiar with his record in either the state or national legislature? That was a blatant falsehood when Palin said he hasnt sponsored a single bill in the Senate.
[I]Senator Obama has sponsored or co-sponsored 570 bills in the 109th and 110th Congress.

Senator Obama has sponsored or co-sponsored 15 bills that have become LAW since he joined the Senate in 2005.

Senator Obama has also introduced amendments to 50 bills, of which 16 were adopted by the Senate
Of the 15 bills Senator Obama sponsored or co-sponsored in 2005-7 that became law:

Two addressed foreign policy:
Promote relief, security and democracy in the Congo (2125)
Develop democratic institutions in areas under Palestinian control (2370).

Three addressed public health:
Improve mine safety (2803)
Increased breast cancer funding (597)
Reduce preterm delivery and complications, reduce infant mortality (707).

Two addressed openness and accountability in government:
Strengthening the Freedom of Information Act (2488)
Full disclosure of all entities receiving federal funds (2590)

Two addressed national security
Extend Terrorist Risk Insurance (467)
Amend the Patriot Act (2167)

One addressed the needs of the Armed Forces
Wave passport fees to visit graves, attend memorials/funerals of veterans abroad (1184).

Of the 570 bills Senator Obama introduced into the Senate during the 109th and 110th Congress (Senate Bill numbers are in parentheses), they can be summarized as follows:

25 addressed Energy Efficiency and Climate Change
Suspend royalty relief for oil and gas (115)
Reduce dependence on oil; use of alternative energy sources (133)
Increase fuel economy standards for cars (767, 768)
Auto industry incentives for fuel efficient vehicles (1151)
Reduce green house gas emissions (1324)
Establish at NSF a climate change education program (1389)
Increase renewable content of gasoline (2202)
Energy emergency relief for small businesses and farms (269)
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[schyza]

actually, I am not in a position to watch youtube videos at the moment. both those news stations are crap. you never heard of obama before he ran for pres but you watch 2-3 hrs of news every night? :rolleyes: TMZ doesnt count. I would hope AK is one of the hot button states when dealing with AK issues. its one of the smallest states yet it receives more federal aid than any other state. nice fiscal conservatism. :violin: keep telling yourself that the party line social conservative hockey mom is a maverick. that doesnt even mean anything.


No I actually had not really heard too much about him because I do not specifically fallow the democrat party and let

[Dasher]

Only in America can a person vote with his party 90+% of the time and be considered a maverick.

You sir a lying if you say you watch the news and have never heard of Barack Obama. He has been a household name since the last Democratic Party convention. Plus:How can you claim to follow politricks and not keep up with the goings-on of the Democratic Party and be knowledgable on the subject?

[bagelred]

Like I said in another thread, this video is unintentionally hysterical:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7swzN6T-38&eurl=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/04/mother-moose-hunter-maver_n_123961.html


"She's known for her maverick ways......" :lol

"She loves alaska, loves america, loves her family, loves integrity, frugality, and moose stew" :roll:

[bagelred]

When America's maverick called on Alaska's maverick to become his running mate, Americans throughout the land praised the maverick choice. Using their maverick skills and maverick philosophies, they will change Washington's NonMaverick ways. Palin has brought 5 little mavericks into this world, and one of her mavericks is having a maverick of her own. She mavericktized Alaska, mavericking the budget, and utilizing the line item maverick. The maverick mavericked additional mavericks mavercking far and wide. Mavericking maverick maverick and also mavericking additional mavericked mavericks.

She will maverick the maverick against the forces of nonmaverick, and finally, once and for all, govern and unite us maverickly.

Sarah Palin........Let's maverick her into office.


MAVERICK!!!!!!!

[schyza]

Only in America can a person vote with his party 90+% of the time and be considered a maverick.

You sir a lying if you say you watch the news and have never heard of Barack Obama. He has been a household name since the last Democratic Party convention. Plus:How can you claim to follow politricks and not keep up with the goings-on of the Democratic Party and be knowledgable on the subject?


I love how you think because he spoke and the 04 DNC that make him a house hold name. I really have nothing to prove to you since you think I haven

[Dasher]

Barack has been a fixture on news and politricks shows since he was the keynote speaker at the Democratic Convention in 04. I just find it hard to believe that someone who claims to be knowledgable about politics would not know a person who was on the presidential radar since he became a senator.

[Cavs Fan]

I loved watching her the other night. She straight up punched Osama right in the nose. :oldlol: I wasn't sold on how well she was supposed to be speaking to the public or on camera but she was awesome. Palin and Giuliani bloodied up Obama pretty good. I can see him pounding his little fist on the table and chain smoking cigarettes with the other while watching Palin show him she has a bigger sack on her than he ever will. :oldlol:

[bagelred]

I loved watching her the other night. She straight up punched Osama right in the nose. :oldlol: I wasn't sold on how well she was supposed to be speaking to the public or on camera but she was awesome. Palin and Giuliani bloodied up Obama pretty good. I can see him pounding his little fist on the table and chain smoking cigarettes with the other while watching Palin show him she has a bigger sack on her than he ever will. :oldlol:

I found it particularly funny when she made fun of his job as Community Organizer. :lol A job he had 20 years ago. :lol It's not like he was mayor of a tiny town in the middle of nowhere 4 years ago. :lol

[boozehound]

[QUOTE=schyza]I love how you think because he spoke and the 04 DNC that make him a house hold name. I really have nothing to prove to you since you think I haven

[Heilige]

It's the beginnig of a new era of conservatism.

Sarah Palin is the only one on either ticket that understands that America's greatness is not with some government program but with our freedoms and people.

We can even weather a McCain presidency knowing that Sarah Palin and Bobby Jindal are on the deck hitters.