Where are the Hornets gonna move to? Seattle or Vegas?

[TakitoEspanoza]

This Hurricane is just gonne wipe New Orleans off the map.

I believe Saints will go to San Antonio to play, and Im think Seattle or Las Vegas for the Hornets/

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[StroShow4]

should've just left the hornets in OKC and let seattle keep their team.

[TakitoEspanoza]

should've just left the hornets in OKC and let seattle keep their team.


Thats not the question.

[StroShow4]

Thats not the question.

i'm aware of that. i don't have an answer to your question, but if the hornets were to go to seattle they should've just left them in OKC and let seattle keep the sonics.

[TakitoEspanoza]

i'm aware of that. i don't have an answer to your question, but if the hornets were to go to seattle they should've just left them in OKC and let seattle keep the sonics.


Its obviously hypothetical at this point :hammerhead: Just want an opinion/prediction

[fiddy]

Las Vegas. Just because it is closer.

[NOHCP3]

Thread should be closed. Horrible timing. People are fleeing for their lives(including me) and the first thing you can think of is where are our pro teams gonna go AFTER this storm wipes us off the face of the map? Get a life dude. How bout you pray for New Orleans before you plot its downfall

[bigboi_baller]

Las Vegas. Just because it is closer.
Don't know if the NBA would allow it or even if the Hornets would want to go there...

I think Seattle makes the most sense. Everything is perfect in that situation: team needs a city, city wants a team.

[Killer_Instinct]

New Orleans can't catch a break, man. When is the storm supposed to touch down?

[TakitoEspanoza]

Thread should be closed. Horrible timing. People are fleeing for their lives(including me) and the first thing you can think of is where are our pro teams gonna go AFTER this storm wipes us off the face of the map? Get a life dude. How bout you pray for New Orleans before you plot its downfall


Im athiest so who do you suggest I pray to? The Hurricane god? :hammerhead:

This is purely an NBA topic on where the Hornets will move too.

[TakitoEspanoza]

New Orleans can't catch a break, man. When is the storm supposed to touch down?


Late Monday/Early Tuesday as a Category 4 Hurricane, maybe even Category 5

[Se]

New Orleans can't catch a break, man. When is the storm supposed to touch down?

I'm not sure, but those people have been through enough. I feel so bad for them right now.

[Killer_Instinct]

Late Monday/Early Tuesday as a Category 4 Hurricane, maybe even Category 5

Damn. Looks like they'll have to start all over...again.


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[Styles p]

Im athiest so who do you suggest I pray to? The Hurricane god? :hammerhead:

This is purely an NBA topic on where the Hornets will move too.


hahah nohcp got owned athiests unite.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Move the Hornets to Seattle or Las Vegas so they'll be classified as a team in Northwest division while the Rayguns will be put into Southwest instead.

[cookiemonster]

Maybe the flying spaghetti monster will save new orleans with his noodley appendage =)


hahah nohcp got owned athiests unite.

[Franchise]

Seattle would be a good place forr them to go they jus lost there ream and that would suck if i lost my favorite team

[Godfather]

Im athiest so who do you suggest I pray to? The Hurricane god? :hammerhead:

This is purely an NBA topic on where the Hornets will move too.

Burn in hell you ****ing idiot. Don't harp on a thousands of people in distress. Just because you are atheist doesn't mean you shouldn't have empathy.

[72-10]

Burn in hell you ****ing idiot. Don't harp on a thousands of people in distress. Just because you are atheist doesn't mean you shouldn't have empathy.

He did not say that he does not care about those people. Telling someone to burn in hell is not exactly very caring.:violin:

Then again he should not assume that this hurricane will destroy a city.

[knickballer]

they don't need to move just rename them the New Orleans Hurricanes :lol

Im Just kidding don't take it too seriously

[iDunk]

I'm sad for New Orleans. :cry:

[72-10]

Maybe you should be mad at global warming instead.

[SourGrapes]

Maybe you should be mad at global warming instead.
:applause:

[danumber88]

after watching the all-star team rebuild a house in all-star weekend, i was feel kinda bad its gonna get smashed again

[JordanL]

....

My sister just got married and her and my nephew live in Lake Charles, Louissianna... they just moved there...

It's right where the eye is projected to go.

I haven't been able to get ahold of her. The Hornets haven't been on my mind much...

[Vendetta]

Thread should be closed. Horrible timing. People are fleeing for their lives(including me) and the first thing you can think of is where are our pro teams gonna go AFTER this storm wipes us off the face of the map? Get a life dude. How bout you pray for New Orleans before you plot its downfall

If you're truly fleeing for your life get the **** off the internet.

[Styles p]

If you're truly fleeing for your life get the **** off the internet.

ya srlsy

[danumber88]

If you're truly fleeing for your life get the **** off the internet.

they should be evacuated right now, dunno what the hell hes doing on the internet lol..

[nosurrender]

be respectful please you guys, i understand this is an NBA forum, but some issues are just plain wrong to joke about.

[TakitoEspanoza]

....

My sister just got married and her and my nephew live in Lake Charles, Louissianna... they just moved there...

It's right where the eye is projected to go.

I haven't been able to get ahold of her. The Hornets haven't been on my mind much...

no the path has shifted to the east

[NY Comeback]

after watching the all-star team rebuild a house in all-star weekend, i was feel kinda bad its gonna get smashed again
:roll:

Well....hopefully its not too bad where the Hornets would have to reestablish elsewhere.

[Manute for Ever!]

be respectful please you guys, i understand this is an NBA forum, but some issues are just plain wrong to joke about.

Beat me to it.

Damn these rising ocean temeratures:mad:

[CelticForce1349]

Not to get political but...it will interesting to see if the emergency response time/effort has improved since the last disaster. I fear that nothing changes in Bush-world except the talking points used in the media.

I have been living in Austin Texas for several years now and I can remember the night Katrina hit. I was out for my run and the the winds kept getting stronger until I was actually pushed around. Dust, dirt, leaves etc were blowing like crazy and I could barely keep my eyes open at certain times.

I went home turned on the news and thought I understood what was happening. The next morning I picked the Newspaper off the porch to see a picture of N.O. flooded and that is when I really began to understand the magnitude of what happened.

I just hope that somehow/someway each and everyone will be okay through this current mess of a situation.

And for the record, this is not about believing in or not believing in any God/religion, this is just about being a member of the human race. In a perfect world this would never happen to anyone. However, we all hold some ability to do something to help. When your time comes to do something, please make the most of it.

[Showtime]

I know it's a sad situation, but at some point I don't feel empathy for those that put themselves in that situation again. It's like those people who rebuild multiple times after tornado season has wiped out their house. GTFO out of the area. I don't feel sorry for the person walking down the railroad tracks who gets hit by a train.

[nosurrender]

Not to get political but...it will interesting to see if the emergency response time/effort has improved since the last disaster. I fear that nothing changes in Bush-world except the talking points used in the media.

I have been living in Austin Texas for several years now and I can remember the night Katrina hit. I was out for my run and the the winds kept getting stronger until I was actually pushed around. Dust, dirt, leaves etc were blowing like crazy and I could barely keep my eyes open at certain times.

I went home turned on the news and thought I understood what was happening. The next morning I picked the Newspaper off the porch to see a picture of N.O. flooded and that is when I really began to understand the magnitude of what happened.

I just hope that somehow/someway each and everyone will be okay through this current mess of a situation.

And for the record, this is not about believing in or not believing in any God/religion, this is just about being a member of the human race. In a perfect world this would never happen to anyone. However, we all hold some ability to do something to help. When your time comes to do something, please make the most of it.

I spent 2 weeks last summer with habitat for humanity. It's ridiculous what they already have to deal with. Most of the city is not even fully restored yet, and this is gonna set that back another three years. I would just close the whole city and try to compensate for the residents to live somewhere else, but world is not perfect...

[nosurrender]

I don't feel empathy for those that put themselves in that situation again.

u dont understand do you?

say i stripped you of everything and put your body in a random city in the USA. would you rather be homeless or go back home?

[Showtime]

u dont understand do you?

say i stripped you of everything and put your body in a random city in the USA. would you rather be homeless or go back home?
Go back home...to what? A flood damaged house that is STILL smack dab in the middle of hurricanes EVERY damn year? If I had all my property destroyed, I WOULDN'T GO BACK AND REBUILD IN SAME DAMN SPOT. I can either have nothing and start over in another location, or go back "home" with nothing and put myself in the same situation as before. Start over somewhere else.

[nosurrender]

Go back home...to what? A flood damaged house that is STILL smack dab in the middle of hurricanes EVERY damn year? If I had all my property destroyed, I WOULDN'T GO BACK AND REBUILD IN SAME DAMN SPOT. I can either have nothing and start over in another location, or go back "home" with nothing and put myself in the same situation as before. Start over somewhere else.

and you wouldn't go crying to the government for compensation? PLEASE. do you really think people are that dumb? do you really think they never consider the possibility of moving? they live there because they have nowhere else to live. not everyone has 100k+ income. doesn't mean they deserve to be sh*tted on.

[lovethetriangle]

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[Showtime]

and you wouldn't go crying to the government for compensation?

WTF does compensation have to do with staying in NO?


PLEASE. do you really think people are that dumb? do you really think they never consider the possibility of moving? they live there because they have nowhere else to live. not everyone has 100k+ income. doesn't mean they deserve to be sh*tted on.
You are a dumbass. How the hell do they "have a place to live" IF EVERYTHING THEY HAD IN NO WAS WIPED OUT? Just because they own some land doesn't mean they have to build a home again on it. Some people lost EVERYTHING. You saying they are going back "home" is moronic because there are people who had NOTHING to go back to, and therefore no reason to rebuild in NO.

[nosurrender]

WTF does compensation have to do with staying in NO?


You are a dumbass. How the hell do they "have a place to live" IF EVERYTHING THEY HAD IN NO WAS WIPED OUT? Just because they own some land doesn't mean they have to build a home again on it. Some people lost EVERYTHING. You saying they are going back "home" is moronic because there are people who had NOTHING to go back to, and therefore no reason to rebuild in NO.

They do not give you compensation unless you are going to live in their state, cuz compensation is hardly ever through straight cash. You either get a new house there (that's if you are lucky as hell) or you get a FEMA trailer until enough federal funding comes. You obviously don't know how FEMA and the rest of the restoration corps work.

What about people who didn't lose EVERYTHING but had parts of their properties damaged? do you think anyone would buy any of theirs for more than a hundred bucks? So how do they sell anything?

it's obvious that you don't understand why some people have no other choice.

[JordanL]

WTF does compensation have to do with staying in NO?


You are a dumbass. How the hell do they "have a place to live" IF EVERYTHING THEY HAD IN NO WAS WIPED OUT? Just because they own some land doesn't mean they have to build a home again on it. Some people lost EVERYTHING. You saying they are going back "home" is moronic because there are people who had NOTHING to go back to, and therefore no reason to rebuild in NO.

This cannot be understood unless you've been there. The vast majority of people there are so poor that they literally could barely afford to be homeless in bigger, safer cities.

[Showtime]

This cannot be understood unless you've been there. The vast majority of people there are so poor that they literally could barely afford to be homeless in bigger, safer cities.
Homeless in another city
Homeless back in NO, with a high chance of the same thing happening again every year.

Hmmmm tough choice.

[nosurrender]

Homeless in another city
Homeless back in NO, with a high chance of the same thing happening again every year.

Hmmmm tough choice.
after all i just posted you still don't get it. i'm done

[Showtime]

after all i just posted you still don't get it. i'm done
So, they get compensation if they return to NO, and the lucky ones get a new house, only to have their lives destroyed the following season. They repair their damaged homes, only to hope it's still standing next year. Apparently, you still don't get it.

Just because the supposed relief seems better in the short term, it doesn't matter if they remain in the same situation for it to happen all over again in a few months.

[JordanL]

Homeless in another city
Homeless back in NO, with a high chance of the same thing happening again every year.

Hmmmm tough choice.

What an arrogant ass. Some people have to choose between eating and safety of property.

**** you and your pompous ego.

[Showtime]

What an arrogant ass. Some people have to choose between eating and safety of property.

**** you and your pompous ego.
Yeah, I'm an arrogant ass by making a simple point.

[Mamba]

seatlle would be good just bring some winning back to that city after they had 2 put up with ray allens injured ass and rashard lewis aswell. they could use a little bit of chris paul 2 remind them of the days of the glove, and with such a good team like the hornets seattle will be pumping and prove to david stern that hes a ****ing moron.

[NOHCP3]

If you're truly fleeing for your life get the **** off the internet.


Im sorry that you dum sh**s didnt know that laptops were portable and some of us got out early because we learned from Katrina. I am supposed to crawl under the bed or something?? No sports, and sports talk are a great distraction. I come on ISH and see this bullsh**. I didnt get owned by an atheist. What atheist dont know when things are inappropriate to say?


As far as living in New Orleans goes, yes weve had our share of bad storms. Its dangerous living in the gulf coast during Hurricane season in general. But these are our homes that were talking about. Our lives, excuse me if its not that easy to just pick up and leave. Every part of the nation has certain weather problems that they will have to face. Whether it be hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes, flooding, snowstorms etc .

[Heretik32]

Maybe the flying spaghetti monster will save new orleans with his noodley appendage =)

Being an atheist doesn't give you carte blanche for being an asshole.

I for one feel terrible for the poor people in New Orleans.

[yobore]

good luck new orleanians i hope your homes and fellow neighbors are ok and that the Hornets don't have to move

[Manute for Ever!]

Here's to the people of New Orleans, on behalf of ISH, I wish you the best. My heart goes out to you.

[playtetris]

Here's to the people of New Orleans, on behalf of ISH, I wish you the best. My heart goes out to you.

me too.

some people on this board really lack empathy.

[Manute for Ever!]

me too.

some people on this board really lack empathy.

It truly is sickening. Kids (not all, just venting and generalising) are messed up and these people are going to be running things one day. It scares the sh!t out of me.

[2LeTTeRS]

Go back home...to what? A flood damaged house that is STILL smack dab in the middle of hurricanes EVERY damn year? If I had all my property destroyed, I WOULDN'T GO BACK AND REBUILD IN SAME DAMN SPOT. I can either have nothing and start over in another location, or go back "home" with nothing and put myself in the same situation as before. Start over somewhere else.

You really don't get it. Hurricanes are unpredictable. If this happened "every year" New Orleans would have been abandoned long ago. Before Katrina no storm of that power had hit in New Orleans in centuries. I don't live in NO but down here in eastern NC our whole eastern 1/3 of our state was covered in water about 10 years ago because of Hurricane Floyd, causing us to miss 3-4 weeks of school and cause hundreds of thousands of people to lose their homes. So in situations like these where a once in a generation storm comes to an area you propose to just pack everything up and move to a different area? Grow the **** up.


If you're truly fleeing for your life get the **** off the internet.

Ignorant comment. The guy said he's fleeing for his life meaning that he's leaving New Orleans. I really don't see what that has to do with being online, the storm won't be here for a day at least he has time to get out of there.


Close thread

Agreed. This thread is filled with young dumb****s who think everything is a joke. People dying and/or losing everything is not funny.

[Manute for Ever!]

Agreed. This thread is filled with young dumb****s who think everything is a joke. People dying and/or losing everything is not funny.

:applause: :cheers:

[Meticode]

Thread should be closed. Horrible timing. People are fleeing for their lives(including me) and the first thing you can think of is where are our pro teams gonna go AFTER this storm wipes us off the face of the map? Get a life dude. How bout you pray for New Orleans before you plot its downfall

You're fleeing for your life yet you can think of is to post on ISH?

[ElPigto]

Showtime are you b/w the age of 14 and 18?

Simple yes or no question.

[yobore]

You're fleeing for your life yet you can think of is to post on ISH?
umm it's not like in the movies like Day After Tomorrow type "flee for your lives." Did you think maybe he might already be out.

[Showtime]

You really don't get it. Hurricanes are unpredictable. If this happened "every year" New Orleans would have been abandoned long ago.

I said there's the same risk of it happening every year. NO is even worse because of the city's levy system and it being below sea level. And we have seen in the past few years how the number and severity of these storms are on the rise.


Before Katrina no storm of that power had hit in New Orleans in centuries. I don't live in NO but down here in eastern NC our whole eastern 1/3 of our state was covered in water about 10 years ago because of Hurricane Floyd, causing us to miss 3-4 weeks of school and cause hundreds of thousands of people to lose their homes. So in situations like these where a once in a generation storm comes to an area you propose to just pack everything up and move to a different area? Grow the **** up.

Once in a generation...and a level 3 storm is projected to effect NO soon. You said Floyd was a rare occurrence, yet the Carolinas get hit with storms every year, but not necessarily of that magnitude. The risk is the same every year, because there's always that chance another Floyd may come along. What you DO know is that the gulf and southeastern coast is prime real estate for hurricanes. I'm not saying pack and leave the southeast, I'm just saying that when somebody has lost everything, and they choose to go back to the same spot where there's a chance of that happening again every year, at some point I don't feel sorry for their situation.

I compared it to the situation of homes being destroyed in Tornado Alley. Some people have had to rebuild several times. At that point, I stop having empathy for the people in that situation.


Showtime are you b/w the age of 14 and 18?

Simple yes or no question.
No. Mid 20's.

[step_back]

I hope New orleans will escape this one, that city and their people DO NOT DESERVE to go through something like this again. I hope the government has taken all the precautions to get people out safely even if it means leaving there things behind.

P.S some of you on here don't understand what the concept of "HOME" is to someone, many of those people would have lived in that city their entire life, possibly generations of family did before them so to simply say pack up your things and move is something easy to say but hard to do.

Showtime I really hope you never have to experience something like this as do anyone else on here.

[Showtime]

P.S some of you on here don't understand what the concept of "HOME" is to someone, many of those people would have lived in that city their entire life, possibly generations of family did before them so to simply say pack up your things and move is something easy to say but hard to do.

Showtime I really hope you never have to experience something like this as do anyone else on here.
I hope so too. I knew people from Houston that dealt with the flooding there. I live in an area where flooding is a real possibility, even though it's never happened yet. It's not something I wish on people. I think some here think I'm writing off everybody there, and that's not what I'm saying.

[Silent Mav]

Im athiest so who do you suggest I pray to? The Hurricane god? :hammerhead:

This is purely an NBA topic on where the Hornets will move too.

If it really is just a topic, which I doubt, then it is too soon to ask it.

Let's see what happens with the hurricane and the more important aspects of the impact before worrying about if/when the Hornets need to move.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

sorry ive been in the dark for the past 3 days, when is the storm gonna hit?

[miles berg]

Showtime has to be a teenager. There is simply no other explanation for his words.

[Valliant13]

No comment on the Team situation. Unqualified sympathy for the families that are about to have there lives ripped apart.

And for the couple ignorant pricks bagging on the residents of New Orleans that can't leave: I hope you never have to chose between feeding your children, or having them starve somewhere safer. It's an impossible situation, and one that deserve empathy, not smug second guessing from a position of privilege.

[step_back]

I hope so too. I knew people from Houston that dealt with the flooding there. I live in an area where flooding is a real possibility, even though it's never happened yet. It's not something I wish on people. I think some here think I'm writing off everybody there, and that's not what I'm saying.

problem is on forums it's difficult to tell what context it's in, you can't tell peoples tone or manner. people just have to be weary when typing and make the commitment to think rationally and coherently.

[Showtime]

Showtime has to be a teenager. There is simply no other explanation for his words.
Sorry to disappoint. You can disagree with my viewpoint, and that's fine. But this isn't an issue to be "right" or "wrong" on, because I'm talking about the limits of my own personal empathy. I honestly don't think you even understand what my viewpoint is.

[Showtime]

No comment on the Team situation. Unqualified sympathy for the families that are about to have there lives ripped apart.

And for the couple ignorant pricks bagging on the residents of New Orleans that can't leave: I hope you never have to chose between feeding your children, or having them starve somewhere safer. It's an impossible situation, and one that deserve empathy, not smug second guessing from a position of privilege.
I haven't read anybody bagging on the people who are unable to leave. Who was doing that?

[miles berg]

I get your viewpoint, Im not accusing you of being immature. I am just saying you must be a teenager, or rich, because most people can't just decide to pull up their roots and move. And the percentage of those people that can goes down significantly when you factor in that the likely only source of equity they have, their house, no longer has any value. Insurance companies rarely cover more than what is actually owed, if they even cover that. And with the amount of claims that come with a natural disaster, the time that a homeowner has to wait for their insurance to pay is going to be longer than an isolated incident (a fire or something along those lines) takes to pay.

Long story short, unless someone has family they can move in with that is away from New Orleans, the odds of that person being able to afford to move because of a natural disaster are very small.

[Showtime]

I get your viewpoint, Im not accusing you of being immature. I am just saying you must be a teenager, or rich, because most people can't just decide to pull up their roots and move. And the percentage of those people that can goes down significantly when you factor in that the likely only source of equity they have, their house, no longer has any value. Insurance companies rarely cover more than what is actually owed, if they even cover that. And with the amount of claims that come with a natural disaster, the time that a homeowner has to wait for their insurance to pay is going to be longer than an isolated incident (a fire or something along those lines) takes to pay.

Long story short, unless someone has family they can move in with that is away from New Orleans, the odds of that person being able to afford to move because of a natural disaster are very small.
I understand your point about staying being the only short term option for some people. They have nothing. For those that lost everything, all they had left was their property, which suddenly was worthless. They had nothing. Some got checks, some got new homes, and a lot got stuck in FEMA trailers. I'm not bagging on anybody. All I'm saying is that those that lost everything but had options: they chose to stay. They chose, for the relative short term, to stick it out and try to rebuild. Now they are facing a level 3 hurricane once again.

So I will ask you: at what point is enough enough? If I lost my home, and my property value went down the tubes, and I had nothing left with no family or money, I would probably take the trailer and try to rebuild. But if I was in a situation where I was facing that prospect every year, and I had other options, I probably wouldn't.

There are people who DO have family, and there are people who do have options. Not everybody who lost everything was dirt poor. For the people who had nowhere else to go, I can understand them picking the trailer. For those that could relocate, and didn't, and are now facing the same prospect of losing everything yet again, I have little empathy.

[JohnRuck]

the hornets are not going anywhere, and you really should not have made this thread because it is pointless when the sotrm is not even here yet nor do we know for sure its impact. IDIOT

[macmac]

Showtime must not have any friends, business contacts, family, love interests or nostalgic memories if he thinks its that easy to pack up and leave your home after ONE drastic occurence. The U.S. has been hit by terrorists and there's very real chances of this reoccuring in the future, will it be hard for you to have sympathy for people living in big cities potentially being targeted because they didn't learn from 9/11? You're a coward and an elitist *********

[Showtime]

Showtime must not have any friends, business contacts, family, love interests or nostalgic memories if he thinks its that easy to pack up and leave your home after ONE drastic occurence. The U.S. has been hit by terrorists and there's very real chances of this reoccuring in the future, will it be hard for you to have sympathy for people living in big cities potentially being targeted because they didn't learn from 9/11? You're a coward and an elitist *********
You obviously don't understand what my opinion is, and I can gather that by this post. So, since your comments don't have any relation to my opinion, it's really not even worth addressing. Your analogies aren't even accurate because they are too broad. You can call me a coward or elitist, but that just proves you don't comprehend what I'm saying. I wasn't talking about everybody. I was expressing my viewpoint of a select group of people in a very specific circumstance. I also wasn't criticizing or demeaning anybody. I simply said my empathy has limitations. Get over it.

[fiddy]

Maybe you should be mad at global warming instead.
Being mad about certain does not solve it.

[usdmef9]

I understand Showtime 100% and I see his view on things anybody that doesn't clearly is on a lower comprehension level or just wants to argue with him for the sake of having a "bad guy" in the thread.

[nosurrender]

he is saying that no one should live in NO because it's below sea level and there is a danger of hurricane perennially. that's a very strong and extreme opinion. it's too idealistic of a view

[SourGrapes]

he is saying that no one should live in NO because it's below sea level and there is a danger of hurricane perennially. that's a very strong and extreme opinion. it's too idealistic of a view

lol i don't know what "strong" means here.

and is it too idealistic? part of being alive is adapting to changing conditions. new orleans wasn't like this twenty years ago, but it is now...some thought should be given to the practicality of evacuating every year.

[JayGuevara]

lol i don't know what "strong" means here.

and is it too idealistic? part of being alive is adapting to changing conditions. new orleans wasn't like this twenty years ago, but it is now...some thought should be given to the practicality of evacuating every year.

So let me ask you this. Places like Detroit, Newark, Gary, Flint, New Orleans also, etc etc are fairly well known for high crime rates, poverty, violence, and poor economies. Why are any of these cities inhabited at all? Shouldn't they all just get out of that situation? And adapt?

Is it that simple?

[Showtime]

he is saying that no one should live in NO because it's below sea level and there is a danger of hurricane perennially. that's a very strong and extreme opinion. it's too idealistic of a view
Incorrect. That wasn't what I was saying.

[Showtime]

So let me ask you this. Places like Detroit, Newark, Gary, Flint, New Orleans also, etc etc are fairly well known for high crime rates, poverty, violence, and poor economies. Why are any of these cities inhabited at all? Shouldn't they all just get out of that situation? And adapt?

Is it that simple?
Not to get off on another issue (because this isn't my viewpoint to begin with), but for the sake of argument, many people do leave high crime areas when they get the chance (which isn't often in poverty stricken urban areas), and/or don't choose to move to higher crime areas, so in essence, what you are saying is actually happening, but not directly how you are describing.

[nosurrender]

Incorrect. That wasn't what I was saying.

so who should live in NO?
and btw that was exactly what u've been saying i can find quotes if you'd like.

[Showtime]

so who should live in NO?
and btw that was exactly what u've been saying i can find quotes if you'd like.
I never tried to dictate who should inhabit the area. I simply stated that my empathy has limitations in certain situations. Some of the comments you were referring to were in the context of this expression, so I can see where a person such as yourself might misconstrue the meaning if they took that comment at face value.

Once again, let me be crystal clear: I'm not criticising or demeaning any victim of the storms. I'm simply saying that my empathy has limitations. Here's a prime example taken from an article about the approaching storm:


Bette has the means to leave New Orleans. She and her husband could jump in their car and take off. During Katrina, she briefly relocated to Houston, and while happy she made that choice, she couldn't stay. She had to return to her city.

Like a relationship that suffers a bad break-up and is stronger after a reunion, she worries that she hasn't got the heart to leave and then return a second time.

"When you stand out there by that river and look at that levee," she said, "you are just so blessed to live here. I am in love, and so I make my choice."

Now, here's a woman with the means to safely leave the city, and avoid further destruction. She could have moved from NO to a safer location. She has temporarily done it before, but admittedly chooses to stay because that's her choice. Now, if her store and/or home gets damaged, am I supposed to feel sorry for her? Am I obligated to feel empathy towards this woman who had the means to avoid this but chose not to?

I can understand the situation of one that doesn't have the means or opportunity to relocate somewhere else that's more safe. But I will not feel obligated, whatsoever, to feel empathy for people such as this woman who have the ability to leave, but choose to live in an area where she faces dire situations year after year. She made her choice, which was her right. But I don't have to feel a certain way because of it.

[nosurrender]

it doesnt matter whether it happens every year or every other decade.

Frankly and undeniably, no one deserves natural disaster. No one. And that's why you should not limit your empathy. If you think a person deserves this kind of disaster because he/she somehow saw it coming two years before the occurrence, then I guess nobody can change your mentality. I hope somebody eventually does, and increase the number of people who care enough to donate or go down and help.

[Hoggle]

I'm not trying to be mean here, but after this hurricane is over there should be no more donations going out for people to rebuild their lives in that city. Yes it is home to a great amount of people, but living under sea level between a huge lake and the Gulf of Mexico with the disastrous weather that is only getting worse each year seems like an uphill battle. How many more billions of dollars are gonna be spent repairing a city in between hurricanes before insurance companies and donation centers pay them to rebuild elsewhere (Surely there is other things we can spend billions of dollars on that are just as worthy). I say ship the NO Hornets to Seattle and give another great city a NBA team again. I hope every gets out of that city with all their cherished possessions, and hopefully this wont happen again. I'm sure we can just move party city to another city. As for football, i don't know how well the Saints would do in SA. Seattle seems to be the best place to relocate the Hornets though, I'm sure they would have no problem selling out most of their games with how well the Hornets are doing and how much Seattle wants a team back.

[Showtime]

it doesnt matter whether it happens every year or every other decade.

Well, that's your opinion. In my viewpoint, if you choose to live in a high risk situation, you should expect whatever consequences result from the situation.


Frankly and undeniably, no one deserves natural disaster. No one. And that's why you should not limit your empathy.

I never said a person deserved to suffer. But I'm also not going to have unlimited empathy for people who CHOSE that situation. If you build a house at the foot of an active volcano, am I supposed to feel empathy when an eruption destroys it? If you walk on the train tracks, am I supposed to weep if you were struck and killed? Tragedy is tragedy, and I'm not disputing that. But there is a level of accountability when one has the choice.


If you think a person deserves this kind of disaster because he/she somehow saw it coming two years before the occurrence, then I guess nobody can change your mentality.

Once again, you show your ignorance by this statement. If this is your understanding of my viewpoint, then please don't respond to me on this issue, because it's clear you aren't comprehending my opinion. I never said people deserved it.

[JayGuevara]

Now, here's a woman with the means to safely leave the city, and avoid further destruction. She could have moved from NO to a safer location. She has temporarily done it before, but admittedly chooses to stay because that's her choice. Now, if her store and/or home gets damaged, am I supposed to feel sorry for her? Am I obligated to feel empathy towards this woman who had the means to avoid this but chose not to?

I can understand the situation of one that doesn't have the means or opportunity to relocate somewhere else that's more safe. But I will not feel obligated, whatsoever, to feel empathy for people such as this woman who has the ability to leave, but chooses to live in an area where she faces dire situations year after year. She made her choice, which was her right. But I don't have to feel a certain way because of it.

Well I would think that as a fellow human being you could still empathize with the scenario. Leaving everything you know, where you've grown up, raised a family, whatever the case is, is a decision I can imagine would be terribly hard to make. As a fellow human, you may not agree with her decision, but you should still feel some sympathy for her even having to be in a position to make that decision. Ya dig?

[JayGuevara]

I'm not trying to be mean here, but after this hurricane is over there should be no more donations going out for people to rebuild their lives in that city. Yes it is home to a great amount of people, but living under sea level between a huge lake and the Gulf of Mexico with the disastrous weather that is only getting worse each year seems like an uphill battle. How many more billions of dollars are gonna be spent repairing a city in between hurricanes before insurance companies and donation centers pay them to rebuild elsewhere. I say ship the NO Hornets to Seattle and give another great city a NBA team again. I hope every gets out of that city with all their cherished possessions, and hopefully this wont happen again. I'm sure we can just move party city to another city. As for football, i don't know how well the Saints would do in SA. Seattle seems to be the best place to relocate the Hornets though, I'm sure they would have no problem selling out most of their games with how well the Hornets are doing and how much Seattle wants a team back.

Personally I would much rather my tax dollars go to rebuilding the homes of the less fortunate who had their lives torn apart by hurricanes than another dime towards Iraq and the presence of our troops. But that's just me.

[Showtime]

Well I would think that as a fellow human being you could still empathize with the scenario. Leaving everything you know, where you've grown up, raised a family, whatever the case is, is a decision I can imagine would be terribly hard to make. As a fellow human, you may not agree with her decision, but you should still feel some sympathy for her even having to be in a position to make that decision. Ya dig?
I guess we can agree on the issue of a choice. I feel sorry that she was forced to make a choice in that situation to begin with.

[Godfather]

Well, that's your opinion. In my viewpoint, if you choose to live in a high risk situation, you should expect whatever consequences result from the situation.



I never said a person deserved to suffer. But I'm also not going to have unlimited empathy for people who CHOSE that situation. If you build a house at the foot of an active volcano, am I supposed to feel empathy when an eruption destroys it? If you walk on the train tracks, am I supposed to weep if you were struck and killed? Tragedy is tragedy, and I'm not disputing that. But there is a level of accountability when one has the choice.



Once again, you show your ignorance by this statement. If this is your understanding of my viewpoint, then please don't respond to me on this issue, because it's clear you aren't comprehending my opinion. I never said people deserved it.

I know what happened to you during this thread. You showed no compassion towards the people New Orleans, and were torched accordingly. And now that you realize you are being labeled as an antagonist, you have switched into a defensive mentality and continue to post this useless dribble. When it is all said and done one thing is clear; you are not nearly as compassionate to other humans as the average ISH poster and that is reprehensible.

[nosurrender]

i'm just concerned because your logic says that the residents chose disaster over safety, as if they knew this city was gonna get striken again, when in reality they chose their home over somewhere foreign. They don't see this coming, I don't see this coming. For the eye of a big ass hurricane of this magnitude to strike the same godd-mn city twice within a few years... It's a one in a thousand, and it just had to happen.

Obviously, if this will continue to happen as often as it has been, I would urge anyone to abandon their homes, but no one can see the future.

That woman did not see a hurricane coming in 2008. Neither did I. Because it could happen at anytime and yet it could stay quiet in new orleans forever. She hoped for the latter, and I'd imagine you would too, showtime.

[Showtime]

I know what happened to you during this thread. You showed no compassion towards the people New Orleans, and were torched accordingly. And now that you realize you are being labeled as an antagonist, you have switched into a defensive mentality and continue to post this useless dribble. When it is all said and done one thing is clear; you are not nearly as compassionate to other humans as the average ISH poster and that is reprehensible.
My first post on this issue:

"I know it's a sad situation, but at some point I don't feel empathy for those that put themselves in that situation again. It's like those people who rebuild multiple times after tornado season has wiped out their house. GTFO out of the area. I don't feel sorry for the person walking down the railroad tracks who gets hit by a train."

Now, because of the reaction, I had to go into greater detail to clarify my point to avoid confusion. It's unfortunate that you feel this clarification was somehow a defensive tactic to avoid flaming. My only mistake was not being clear enough in my initial post. If you notice, in the very first sentence, I was only talking about those that "put themselves in that situation again", and then went on to clarify that. I wasn't making broad statements about all the victims. I wasn't criticizing everybody who experienced loss. I was expressing my viewpoint and I make no apologies to those that misunderstood.

If you want to think I'm heartless, feel no compassion for people, etc, then go right ahead. I know that isn't the case, and the people who know me know that isn't the case.

[JazzDoc]

You think the NBA will move to put another team in Seattle, just months after the city rejected the Sonics? Not going to happen.

[Showtime]

i'm just concerned because your logic says that the residents chose disaster over safety, as if they knew this city was gonna get striken again, when in reality they chose their home over somewhere foreign. They don't see this coming, I don't see this coming. For the eye of a big ass hurricane of this magnitude to strike the same godd-mn city twice within a few years... It's a one in a thousand, and it just had to happen.

Well, I guess we must disagree on what likelihood means. You find it unlikely that a city in the location and situation as NO could be damaged by hurricanes, and I see it as a probability that merits serious consideration.


Obviously, if this will continue to happen as often as it has been, I would urge anyone to abandon their homes, but no one can see the future.

I agree that nobody can see the future, but that doesn't mean everybody should put everything to chance.


That woman did not see a hurricane coming in 2008. Neither did I. Because it could happen at anytime and yet it could stay quiet in new orleans forever. She hoped for the latter, and I'd imagine you would too, showtime.
I would agree with you if this was some random, freak occurrence. The fact is there are hurricane seasons every single year, and the location is a dangerous one, so in my mind, there's a circumstance there that merits serious consideration. You don't build a house on a fault line and then say an earthquake was a totally random occurrence, and hopefully it won't happen again. You can't be serious, can you? You honestly think the city's situation isn't something to be considered when making a decision such as where to base your life? This isn't a lightning strike we are talking about.

[Godfather]

Well, I guess we must disagree on what likelihood means. You find it unlikely that a city in the location and situation as NO could be damaged by hurricanes, and I see it as a probability that merits serious consideration.



I agree that nobody can see the future, but that doesn't mean everybody should put everything to chance.


I would agree with you if this was some random, freak occurrence. The fact is there are hurricane seasons every single year, and the location is a dangerous one, so in my mind, there's a circumstance there that merits serious consideration. You don't build a house on a fault line and then say an earthquake was a totally random occurrence, and hopefully it won't happen again. You can't be serious, can you? You honestly think the city's situation isn't something to be considered when making a decision such as where to base your life? This isn't a lightning strike we are talking about.

Because everyone who lives in New Orleans recently moved there...

[nosurrender]

This isn't a lightning strike we are talking about.

well regardless of the likelihood, I bet repopulation will be even harder this year, and you will eventually get your wish and there will be next to nobody living there say, by 2010. I just don't think people can come back with a clear heart after this one. I loved the city when I was there, from the French quarter to sneaking into a Tulane frat party. It will be missed sorely.

[Showtime]

well regardless of the likelihood, I bet repopulation will be even harder this year, and you will eventually get your wish and there will be next to nobody living there say, by 2010. I just don't think people can come back with a clear heart after this one. I loved the city when I was there, from the French quarter to sneaking into a Tulane frat party. It will be missed sorely.
I've gone to great lengths to make myself crystal clear despite several people who misunderstood me, and you either don't have the reading comprehension skills to understand my viewpoint, or you do, but you want to be a jerk. I never said anybody deserved it. I never said NO should be wiped off the map and people should just not live there. If you are either too dumb to get that, or too much of a jerk to not play games, then just don't even waste my time. Ignored.

[Showtime]

Because everyone who lives in New Orleans recently moved there...
I wasn't talking about "everybody" in NO. I've said multiple times that I was talking about those that had the choice, means, and opportunity after katrina, so next time: try reading. Then read it again. Then take a minute and think about it. Then post.

[SourGrapes]

So let me ask you this. Places like Detroit, Newark, Gary, Flint, New Orleans also, etc etc are fairly well known for high crime rates, poverty, violence, and poor economies. Why are any of these cities inhabited at all? Shouldn't they all just get out of that situation? And adapt?

Is it that simple?

but is it too idealistic to consider people moving away from those places? no.

and that isn't the same thing...the inhabitants of those places contribute to those problems, whereas the hurricanes of the gulf coast aren't created by the residents.

and...the magnitude of problems caused by the hurricanes is far more affective than the crime rates of poverty stricken areas. are there evacuations from flint, detriot, etc?

saying people should move from a place that experiences natural disasters is fine logic, and not at all too idealistic.

[Mr Know It All]

I totally agree with Showtime in this thread, and people accusing him of being a teenager or having no friends are the real immature ones. He simply questions as to why these people are rebuilding in a volatile area. It's completely valid, and alot of people live far away from family and friends and can maintain those relationships. You can make new friends in new places, so that argument is out the window.

These people are rebuilding in New Orleans, choosing to relocate, which is hardwork and whether you are poor or rich takes money and planning. Instead of rebuilding in a dangerous area, why not relocate somewhere else? Hell, you could move a simple 60-80 miles away and be a hell of alot safer. No one is asking anyone to move halfway across the world here.

It is hard to have empathy for these people, and whether you admit it or not in today's times with a changing climate weather is getting more and more unpredictable. That region has a violent history with weather patterns, most anyone living there is aware of that. For example, a man has been living with nature his entire life, with Bears, and suddenly Bears are getting more aggressive than usual. They grow more and more aggressive, and finally he is attacked and almost killed. If he returns to that spot where he knows there is danger and a similar event could occur, he's putting himself in danger.

You can't **** with nature, and you can't curse nature when you try and manipulate it. New Orleans should not even exist, being below sea level it is an unnatural location for a major city. I feel badly for the people who take the risks and decide to live there, but I also have a hard time sympathizing with them and their plight.

[JordanL]

I just got off the phone with my sister, who's alright.

She couldn't get out though. You know why? She literally doesn't have enough money to get to the nearest open shelter, which is in San Antonio.

It goes beyond that though. During a hurricane they do something called contraflow on the streets. All the streets, all lanes, head out of state. Every single road leads to the border. And it literally can take about a month before you can get back into the state.

So if you leave, not only do you need the money to get out of the state, which with gas prices is not trivial, but you need the money to survive, without an income, for about a month at least, and then you have to come back and get the things you can salvage before leaving permanently.

When you stay in a shelter it isn't free. You have to pay for meals. She literally doesn't have enough money to pay for her, her husband and her 6 month old kid to eat for a month without any supporting income.

Additionally her husband is a state trooper so he'd have to stay anyway to help evacuate people.

Showtime, it costs money to move. More than it costs to rebuild. It costs thousands of dollars to move out of state. The only way they can accomplish that is if they use the money the government gives them to replace their lost items, and instead use it to move.

Which if they did they'd literally have a couple of changes of cloths and some blankets. No furniture, no job, nothing.

In 12 hours I'm not gonna be able to contact her anymore. Her house is most likely going to be completely destroyed, and/or looted, and I won't even know if she's okay until next Thursday.

The fact that you crticize the choices these people have to make from so ****ing far away is the most heinous, rediculous thing I've ever heard on this forum. You're a waste of a human being if you honestly think you have any perspective on the choices those people have to make, and you can ****ing die in a ditch for all I care.

And FYI, she lives in West Louissianna, near the Texas border.

[SourGrapes]

^^does it really cost more to move than to rebuild? i don't think that is the case...particularly if you have to evacuate and/or rebuild multiple times. moving is just once.

[JordanL]

^^does it really cost more to move than to rebuild? i don't think that is the case...particularly if you have to evacuate and/or rebuild multiple times. moving is just once.

You get federal/state assitance to stay. But only to stay.

The state and federal government don't give assitance if you're leaving, and neighboring states don't give assitance if you're moving there.

Which means only the people who can afford to move do, and only the impovershed are left.

(They also rent instead of own their house, which means they aren't collecting a 100K+ check for their destroyed residence.)

[Mr Know It All]

I just got off the phone with my sister, who's alright.

She couldn't get out though. You know why? She literally doesn't have enough money to get to the nearest open shelter, which is in San Antonio.

It goes beyond that though. During a hurricane they do something called contraflow on the streets. All the streets, all lanes, head out of state. Every single road leads to the border. And it literally can take about a month before you can get back into the state.

So if you leave, not only do you need the money to get out of the state, which with gas prices is not trivial, but you need the money to survive, without an income, for about a month at least, and then you have to come back and get the things you can salvage before leaving permanently.

When you stay in a shelter it isn't free. You have to pay for meals. She literally doesn't have enough money to pay for her, her husband and her 6 month old kid to eat for a month without any supporting income.

Additionally her husband is a state trooper so he'd have to stay anyway to help evacuate people.

Showtime, it costs money to move. More than it costs to rebuild. It costs thousands of dollars to move out of state. The only way they can accomplish that is if they use the money the government gives them to replace their lost items, and instead use it to move.

Which if they did they'd literally have a couple of changes of cloths and some blankets. No furniture, no job, nothing.

In 12 hours I'm not gonna be able to contact her anymore. Her house is most likely going to be completely destroyed, and/or looted, and I won't even know if she's okay until next Thursday.

The fact that you crticize the choices these people have to make from so ****ing far away is the most heinous, rediculous thing I've ever heard on this forum. You're a waste of a human being if you honestly think you have any perspective on the choices those people have to make, and you can ****ing die in a ditch for all I care.

And FYI, she lives in West Louissianna, near the Texas border.

So, you've taken the situation of your sister who lives in Louisiana, and have basically attributed her situation to the situation of everyone else who chooses to live in dangerous coastal regions. I've heard of many people who have relocated for fear of these dangerous places, many of them in bad economic situations themselves. You accuse us of being close-minded, yet you apply your ignorant bull**** logic to this event. Just shutup.

[JordanL]

So, you've taken the situation of your sister who lives in Louisiana, and have basically attributed her situation to the situation of everyone else who chooses to live in dangerous coastal regions. I've heard of many people who have relocated for fear of these dangerous places, many of them in bad economic situations themselves. You accuse us of being close-minded, yet you apply your ignorant bull**** logic to this event. Just shutup.

I'm not the one generalizing, I'm providing an actual counter-example. Learn to ****ing read.

[Mateo]

i'm just concerned because your logic says that the residents chose disaster over safety, as if they knew this city was gonna get striken again, when in reality they chose their home over somewhere foreign. They don't see this coming, I don't see this coming. For the eye of a big ass hurricane of this magnitude to strike the same godd-mn city twice within a few years... It's a one in a thousand, and it just had to happen.

It's a freaking swamp for crying out loud, of course it's more likely to get hit by hurricanes than Pittsburg.


Obviously, if this will continue to happen as often as it has been, I would urge anyone to abandon their homes, but no one can see the future.

Global warming = more hurricanes = it's going to happen again, and often. The state just needs to make the decision not to have but a small residential population in New Orleans who are just port workers.

[JayGuevara]

Just outta curiosity, for all of you that are siding with Showtime and disagreeing with these people for not gettin the hell outta Dodge, where do folks reside?

[Mr Know It All]

Just outta curiosity, for all of you that are siding with Showtime and disagreeing with these people for not gettin the hell outta Dodge, where do folks reside?

I live in a big mansion in Beverly Hills. Is that what you want to hear?

[Soundwave]

Would be a nice turn of events for the people in Seattle if they got the Hornets, though I guess effectively that would end the "Hornets" name/colors in the NBA as they'd become the new Supersonics.

What a crazy path that franchise has taken.

I also think they should tweak their colors if that happens -- Black/gold/green would be cool.

[JayGuevara]

I live in a big mansion in Beverly Hills. Is that what you want to hear?

No, I wanted to hear the truth.

[Mateo]

Would be a nice turn of events for the people in Seattle if they got the Hornets, though I guess effectively that would end the "Hornets" name/colors in the NBA as they'd become the new Supersonics.

What a crazy path that franchise has taken.

I also think they should tweak their colors if that happens -- Black/gold/green would be cool.

Why don't people understand that Seattle isn't getting another team. The NBA, not just the former Sonics, has fallen out with the city over the stadium situation. It wasn't like with Vancouver whom the NBA never wanted to leave. Have you even listened to a word Stern has said?

[SourGrapes]

Just outta curiosity, for all of you that are siding with Showtime and disagreeing with these people for not gettin the hell outta Dodge, where do folks reside?

southern california. and if my house was threatened once every few years with a natural disaster i would do everything i could to leave.

this is a problem that is part of a bigger cycle when people settle...and as a result the south as a whole takes in more government aid than it produces in gdp.

[Godfather]

No, I wanted to hear the truth.

It is not where they live, but the fact that they do not have empathy for their fellow human being or have the ability to understand the situation they are in.

[SourGrapes]

It is not where they live, but the fact that they do not have empathy for their fellow human being or have the ability to understand the situation they are in.

i have empathy for their suffering, and i think it's obvious that that area isn't working any more for living. time to change it up.

trying to define the situation as anyone of a different position is an ass? pretty lame.

[2LeTTeRS]

It's a freaking swamp for crying out loud, of course it's more likely to get hit by hurricanes than Pittsburg.

Do you know anything about hurricanes? The amount above or below sea level doesn't affect how likely it is to have hurricanes, just he amount of damage that would be felt in the city if hit by the hurricane. The point that makes New Orleans prone to storms is that it is on the gulf coast.


Global warming = more hurricanes = it's going to happen again, and often. The state just needs to make the decision not to have but a small residential population in New Orleans who are just port workers.

Before Katrina hit can you name the last time a major storm hit New Orleans. In recent years the amount of storms making landfall in general has decreased, but this is the 2nd storm that should hit the New Orleans area in 4-5 years. If you are saying people should expect that a hurricane would hit New Orleans is stupid, when just 5 years ago the only people forecasting this happening were the It Could Happen Tomorrow people on the Weather Channel.

[Se]

This thread is a disgrace. So many ignorant jack-asses poking fun at people in a really horrible situation.

The only good that has come from this thread is Showtime being added to my ignore list.

[SourGrapes]

Do you know anything about hurricanes? The amount above or below sea level doesn't affect how likely it is to have hurricanes, just he amount of damage that would be felt in the city if hit by the hurricane. The point that makes New Orleans prone to storms is that it is on the gulf coast.



Before Katrina hit can you name the last time a major storm hit New Orleans. In recent years the amount of storms making landfall in general has decreased, but this is the 2nd storm that should hit the New Orleans area in 4-5 years. If you are saying people should expect that a hurricane would hit New Orleans is stupid, when just 5 years ago the only people forecasting this happening were the It Could Happen Tomorrow people on the Weather Channel.

every expert report i've heard has said hurricanes are only going to get more frequent and more powerful in the future. rising ocean water temperatures are to blame.

[JayGuevara]

southern california. and if my house was threatened once every few years with a natural disaster i would do everything i could to leave.

this is a problem that is part of a bigger cycle when people settle...and as a result the south as a whole takes in more government aid than it produces in gdp.

But, New Orleans is much closer to Detroit than southern California. There's a lot more crime, a lot more poverty, a lot more unemployment, etc etc than a lot of other cities. Many of the residents of New Orleans don't have the means nor opportunities to just pack up and leave and start over again. That city is their home, their lives are entwined into that city, and many of them simply cannot afford to move elsewhere.

For instance, personally, I don't enjoy living in Detroit. I got over this city a couple years ago, and I've been trying to plan my escape since. But it's really not that simple for a city that entrenched in a perpetual cycle of poverty for the majority of it's residents. I have not been afforded the luxury of packing my **** up and headin to the west coast to live in LA and try and start my life over. Because whereas California is pretty much the image/fantasy of the "American Dream" to us poor minorities in the projects, most of us will never make it there. Myself, I refuse to accept my fate as another statistic in this third world city, but for a good majority of the people here and in other seemingly "hopeless" socio-economic scenarios, the weight of the world crushes their shoulders and spirits. It's not easy to just wake up, snap your fingers, and be in a better situation for yourself and your family, especially in places like New Orleans.

[SourGrapes]

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[SourGrapes]

But, New Orleans is much closer to Detroit than southern California. There's a lot more crime, a lot more poverty, a lot more unemployment, etc etc than a lot of other cities. Many of the residents of New Orleans don't have the means nor opportunities to just pack up and leave and start over again. That city is their home, their lives are entwined into that city, and many of them simply cannot afford to move elsewhere.

For instance, personally, I don't enjoy living in Detroit. I got over this city a couple years ago, and I've been trying to plan my escape since. But it's really not that simple for a city that entrenched in a perpetual cycle of poverty for the majority of it's residents. I have not been afforded the luxury of packing my **** up and headin to the west coast to live in LA and try and start my life over. Because whereas California is pretty much the image/fantasy of the "American Dream" to us poor minorities in the projects, most of us will never make it there. Myself, I refuse to accept my fate as another statistic in this third world city, but for a good majority of the people here and in other seemingly "hopeless" socio-economic scenarios, the weight of the world crushes their shoulders and spirits. It's not easy to just wake up, snap your fingers, and be in a better situation for yourself and your family, especially in places like New Orleans.

i never said it was easy to change your circumstances, especially with the conservative bullsh*t the country has absorbed for the last eight years.

but, if you really want to change, you do. it's just human nature. not to be overly simplistic, but if you burn your hand, you move it. i have empathy for people, and think social initiatives are in order to change the status quo, but as soon as people don't make things happen for themselves, they will for certain be caught in negative circumstances.

[Se]

i partially agree with showtime, so am i to assume you think i'm an ignorant jack ass?

i don't mean to be malevolent, but i think people could leave if they wanted to, and the hurricane situation isn't going to get any better in the near future.

it doesn't make sense to continuously go back to a place that is so disastrous.

2 hurricanes don't make a whole area disastrous. It's been fine for like 100 years. The people that stay have no money. How the hell can they set up in a new city? There is help there for them (in time) in New Orleans, there is no help for them in other cities.

The people we are talking about are not likely to be kids that post on ISH from nice families, they are poor people. It's very hard to get poor people to change.

[72-10]

Just outta curiosity, for all of you that are siding with Showtime and disagreeing with these people for not gettin the hell outta Dodge, where do folks reside?

I agree with much of what Showtime says, although he still has a few misses. I live near Chicago. Nature does not forcibly displace me from my home every 3rd year. Rather, it just irritates the **** out of us.

[WhySoInsecure?]

i partially agree with showtime, so am i to assume you think i'm an ignorant jack ass?

i don't mean to be malevolent, but i think people could leave if they wanted to, and the hurricane situation isn't going to get any better in the near future.

it doesn't make sense to continuously go back to a place that is so disastrous.
You miss the point. Katrina doesn't come around often and people can't predict a national disaster. The gulf coast gets it hard because they get flooded but if they don't it's not something that they can't recover from.

New Orleans is not what it was 4 years ago and a big portion of the people didn't come back. The city was still rebuilding and "America" was behind that because as most know this country is known for doing whatever it takes to fight back against the odds and help people get back on their feet.

Some of you haven't seen poverty and probably never had to pay the bills. A big portion of the people that came back did because they're homes were all they had. They don't have any savings and that land is all they have thats worth something. A lot of them have family history there too as easy as it may seem, it's not that easy to move on.

http://images.newsmax.com/ap/57efd657-c69f-4635-9aeb-c312f3f0ec01.jpg

http://thesituationist.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/katrina_survivors2.jpg

It's not as easy as buying a plane ticket, and some can't even afford that. Nobody is going to buy that land from them and they can't survive elsewhere because they don't have any saving, especially after katrina.

http://www.allaboutjazz.com/articles/nobb2006_2.jpg

http://www.worldproutassembly.org/new%20orleans%20-%20attack.jpg

[Mateo]

[QUOTE=Se

[2LeTTeRS]

southern california. and if my house was threatened once every few years with a natural disaster i would do everything i could to leave.

So if in 2005 instead of Katrina a major earthquake had hit in LA and now 3 years later another one hit you're saying you would view yourself as not deserving empathy because you should have known better after the first quake?

If you agree with that than yes you're an ignorant jack ass.


this is a problem that is part of a bigger cycle when people settle...and as a result the south as a whole takes in more government aid than it produces in gdp.

Whats with the regional prejudice? People in the south deserve aid just as much as anyone else. More evidence of you being an ignorant jack ass.

[WhySoInsecure?]

Here's a quote from an article on poverty in new orleans before Katrina.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9163091/


Sixty-seven percent of New Orleans' residents are black. And huge numbers of them are poor. Nearly 30 percent of people in New Orleans live below the poverty line, and only a handful of large American cities have lower household incomes than the Big Easy.

For young, distressed Katrina victims, it’s even worse: Only Mississippi next door has a higher child poverty rate than Louisiana. According to estimates, half of all children in Louisiana live in poverty.



And some numbers for you
http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2006/0306wagneredwards.html



Rank of New Orleans compared to other large cities with population over 100,000:

Percentage of population that is African-American: 5th
Percentage of population in poverty: 8th

Rank of Louisiana compared to other states:

Percent of population living in poverty areas: 1st
Percent of population born in state of residence: 1st
Lowest median household income: 3rd
Portion of households headed by single women with children: 2nd
Portion of workforce that is unemployed: 3rd

[JohnRuck]

I'm not trying to be mean here, but after this hurricane is over there should be no more donations going out for people to rebuild their lives in that city. Yes it is home to a great amount of people, but living under sea level between a huge lake and the Gulf of Mexico with the disastrous weather that is only getting worse each year seems like an uphill battle. How many more billions of dollars are gonna be spent repairing a city in between hurricanes before insurance companies and donation centers pay them to rebuild elsewhere (Surely there is other things we can spend billions of dollars on that are just as worthy). I say ship the NO Hornets to Seattle and give another great city a NBA team again. I hope every gets out of that city with all their cherished possessions, and hopefully this wont happen again. I'm sure we can just move party city to another city. As for football, i don't know how well the Saints would do in SA. Seattle seems to be the best place to relocate the Hornets though, I'm sure they would have no problem selling out most of their games with how well the Hornets are doing and how much Seattle wants a team back.

its a good thing you aren't a politician. nor do you realize how bads your life would be without new orleans, its port, and oil production.

[stewen12]

I believe somewhere in North Florida? Jacksonville or in South East united states would be best

[72-10]

its a good thing you aren't a politician. nor do you realize how bads your life would be without new orleans, its port, and oil production.

A city is not a prerequisite of a port or oil production...

[Showtime]

I just got off the phone with my sister, who's alright.

She couldn't get out though. You know why? She literally doesn't have enough money to get to the nearest open shelter, which is in San Antonio.

It goes beyond that though. During a hurricane they do something called contraflow on the streets. All the streets, all lanes, head out of state. Every single road leads to the border. And it literally can take about a month before you can get back into the state.

So if you leave, not only do you need the money to get out of the state, which with gas prices is not trivial, but you need the money to survive, without an income, for about a month at least, and then you have to come back and get the things you can salvage before leaving permanently.

When you stay in a shelter it isn't free. You have to pay for meals. She literally doesn't have enough money to pay for her, her husband and her 6 month old kid to eat for a month without any supporting income.

Additionally her husband is a state trooper so he'd have to stay anyway to help evacuate people.

Showtime, it costs money to move. More than it costs to rebuild. It costs thousands of dollars to move out of state. The only way they can accomplish that is if they use the money the government gives them to replace their lost items, and instead use it to move.

Which if they did they'd literally have a couple of changes of cloths and some blankets. No furniture, no job, nothing.

In 12 hours I'm not gonna be able to contact her anymore. Her house is most likely going to be completely destroyed, and/or looted, and I won't even know if she's okay until next Thursday.

The fact that you crticize the choices these people have to make from so ****ing far away is the most heinous, rediculous thing I've ever heard on this forum. You're a waste of a human being if you honestly think you have any perspective on the choices those people have to make, and you can ****ing die in a ditch for all I care.

And FYI, she lives in West Louissianna, near the Texas border.


And all throughout the thread I have been saying time and time again that I have been referring to THE PEOPLE WHO, AFTER KATRINA HAD TAKEN OUT THEIR HOMES, HAD THE MEANS AND RESOURCES TO BE ABLE TO RELOCATE, AND YET RETURNED.

HOW CAN I MAKE IT ANY MORE CLEAR THAT I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT EVERY PERSON? HOW CAN I SAY IT TIME AND TIME AGAIN WITHOUT YOU NOT UNDERSTANDING?

I also have NOT been critical, demeaning, or insulting to the victicms of these storms. I'm simply saying that I don't feel sorry for every single person, because there are many of them that COULD have left, had the MEANS and OPPORTUNITY to leave, yet made the CHOICE to stay. I'm not saying they made a bad choice, I'm just saying I won't be obligated to feel a certain way because of the choice they made. That's all. I wasn't criticizing them, I was saying my empathy has limitations. That's it, end of story.

How the fck can you not understand this? Are you people really that stupid? I haven't said a single negative thing about these people, and yet I'm the one getting insulted by you morons. Die in a ditch? Why don't you take your own advice, because the world would be a better place without people as dumb as you.

[QUOTE=Se

[Godfather]

And all throughout the thread I have been saying time and time again that I have been referring to THE PEOPLE WHO, AFTER KATRINA HAD TAKEN OUT THEIR HOMES, HAD THE MEANS AND RESOURCES TO BE ABLE TO RELOCATE, AND YET RETURNED.

HOW CAN I MAKE IT ANY MORE CLEAR THAT I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT EVERY PERSON? HOW CAN I SAY IT TIME AND TIME AGAIN WITHOUT YOU NOT UNDERSTANDING?

I also have NOT been critical, demeaning, or insulting to the victicms of these storms. I'm simply saying that I don't feel sorry for every single person, because there are many of them that COULD have left, had the MEANS and OPPORTUNITY to leave, yet made the CHOICE to stay. I'm not saying they made a bad choice, I'm just saying I won't be obligated to feel a certain way because of the choice they made. That's all. I wasn't criticizing them, I was saying my empathy has limitations. That's it, end of story.

How the fck can you not understand this? Are you people really that stupid? I haven't said a single negative thing about these people, and yet I'm the one getting insulted by you morons. Die in a ditch? Why don't you take your own advice, because the world would be a better place without people as dumb as you.


Cool, because I would really rather not have to deal with a person who is stupid enough to think I have been "poking fun" at flood victims.

You are referring to a very small portion of the population (the rich) then...

[Showtime]

You are referring to a very small portion of the population (the rich) then...So now you have to be a millionaire to not go back? Wow...

I will disagree with you here. Many people stayed with family and friends, and ended up not going back. I met people from Houston who moved after the flooding a few years ago. I met other people who moved from Katrina, and as far as I know they weren't well off. I'm not saying everybody can do it, but I'm saying you don't have to be rich to do it.

Oh, and anybody better not say jack about my situation, because I'm on the poverty line. I'm not dirt poor, but I make due and if you think I feel this way because I'm some spoiled rich kid, then you can go to hell because you criticize me for not understanding another situation, then right after insult me without knowing sh!t about me.

[Godfather]

So now you have to be a millionaire to not go back? Wow...

I will disagree with you here. Many people stayed with family and friends, and ended up not going back. I met people from Houston who moved after the flooding a few years ago. I met other people who moved from Katrina, and as far as I know they weren't well off. I'm not saying everybody can do it, but I'm saying you don't have to be rich to do it.
You don't have to be a millionaire to be rich :banghead:. Many of these people are poverty stricken or from the lower middle class. They could not afford to abandon their residence in New Orleans and live somewhere else. Only a small percentage of the people (less than 20%) reallocated to a different area. Don't act as if just because your semi rich friends did the entire population of New Orleans has the means to reallocate.

[Showtime]

You don't have to be a millionaire to be rich :banghead:. Many of these people are poverty stricken or from the lower middle class. They could not afford to abandon their residence in New Orleans and live somewhere else. Only a small percentage of the people (less than 20%) reallocated to a different area. Don't act as if just because your semi rich friends did the entire population of New Orleans has the means to reallocate.
Semi rich? Ok smartass, what is your definition of "rich"? What is the government's? Please enlighten me.

Once again: you don't have to be rich to have a chance at relocating. And I'm only talking about those people who have that chance.

[Mateo]

I'm tired of these New Orleans apologists come up with any tiny reason not to move. It's not like people need to relocate to another state. Just go a bit north in Louisiana and start there. However poor you may be, relocating is a small cost compared to having all of your possessions ruined every few years, and being out of work for weeks or months because of it. Move to Baton Rouge for crying out loud.

[SourGrapes]

So if in 2005 instead of Katrina a major earthquake had hit in LA and now 3 years later another one hit you're saying you would view yourself as not deserving empathy because you should have known better after the first quake?

If you agree with that than yes you're an ignorant jack ass.



Whats with the regional prejudice? People in the south deserve aid just as much as anyone else. More evidence of you being an ignorant jack ass.

your logic is flawed in both cases.

if there was reason to believe that an earthquake was likely to hit southern california very often relative to my convenience then yes, i would leave. with global warming, ocean water temperatures rise, and hurricanes are both more frequent and more powerful. the earthquake analogy doesn't work...but to answer your question, yes i would move if it got that bad.

and it isn't regional prejudice. they receive more aid than they produce gdp, and there is no other place in the nation like that. it isn't prejudice, it is common sense.

so i guess i'm not a jackass, just logical. and i'm not the one resorting to name calling...

[SourGrapes]

You miss the point. Katrina doesn't come around often and people can't predict a national disaster. The gulf coast gets it hard because they get flooded but if they don't it's not something that they can't recover from.

New Orleans is not what it was 4 years ago and a big portion of the people didn't come back. The city was still rebuilding and "America" was behind that because as most know this country is known for doing whatever it takes to fight back against the odds and help people get back on their feet.

Some of you haven't seen poverty and probably never had to pay the bills. A big portion of the people that came back did because they're homes were all they had. They don't have any savings and that land is all they have thats worth something. A lot of them have family history there too as easy as it may seem, it's not that easy to move on.

http://images.newsmax.com/ap/57efd657-c69f-4635-9aeb-c312f3f0ec01.jpg

http://thesituationist.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/katrina_survivors2.jpg

It's not as easy as buying a plane ticket, and some can't even afford that. Nobody is going to buy that land from them and they can't survive elsewhere because they don't have any saving, especially after katrina.

http://www.allaboutjazz.com/articles/nobb2006_2.jpg

http://www.worldproutassembly.org/new%20orleans%20-%20attack.jpg

my point is it looks like you can predict a hurricane, and it looks as though, with the changing climate, the gulf coast isn't going to see any kind of let up in hurricane frequency or strength. you missed the point.

[Jimmy2k8]

I think I lost a couple of brain cells after reading Showtime's posts...

Seriously, those posts may have been the most arrogant posts I've ever seen on Insidehoops. Unbelievable.

[SourGrapes]

you can call me unsympathetic and that's your thing...

but i see the problems with hurricanes and the gulf coast as a symptom of poverty, and i look at poverty and it's possible solutions in two ways simultaneously.

one, people in populations need social programs to in a macro sense help society

two, there needs to be a sense of personal responsibility that i don't see when people are so often being evacuated and then moving back. if something were threatening me, i would do something about it to the best of my ability.

maybe i'm judging the residents unfairly, but to remain in poverty i think requires some amount of settling in a lot of the cases.

[Showtime]

I think I lost a couple of brain cells after reading Showtime's posts...

Seriously, those posts may have been the most arrogant posts I've ever seen on Insidehoops. Unbelievable.
Please explain how I have been arrogant. I would really like to know, honestly, so I can see the thought process of how one comes to that conclusion.

[Mr Know It All]

Don't mess with nature, or it'll mess with you. The citizens who refused to learn from Katrina will soon see this simple fact. They'll just keep fixing up the city. It's like rebuilding a sandcastle over and over again hoping the tide won't come in.

[AMERVET]

i am a new orleanian, i have not been in new orleans since 05. after being hurt in iraq i had to undergo treatment and numerous surgeries at johns hopkins and walter reed amc. i was on my feet in 06 and chose to move my family to jacksonville fl. which is a beautiful city. now heres the catch, i did'nt leave due to continuing threats of hurricanes, but the continuing decline in the new orleans school system. i have 3 young kids and i refuse to let them be subjected to a below average education. the city of new orleans is so full of culture and tradition. it is almost idiotic to think that people can just leave thier history and stay gone. people do know the possible risk of rebuilding in an area that has a chance to be continuously devistated. but why do they, why do people take those chances, like those who rebuild in tornado prone, or earthquke areas. it becomes an issue of a love for home. why do the majority of nba players stay in the usa instead of playing in places where the people treat them like gods, pay them more and untaxed money, and in some cases, provide home and car. because they love the since of home, people need the since of home in new orleans. when i was in dc, even now in florida, its been hard to adjust. the food is different, the music is different, the people are different. everyone has different opinions, im just speaking for the people who choose not to leave. everyday i wish i was in new orleans and if not for the poor education system, no natural disaster could keep me from coming back, over and over again. this is'nt a crap city in the middle of nowhere, its a city worth coming back to. i told my wife that once the kids are in college im going back to retire. im not going to bash the opinion of showtime or no other person because thats all it is to me, an opinion.



FOR ANYONE WHO WANTS UP TO THE MINUTE UPDATES ON THIS SITUATION, VIEW THIS MULTIMEDIA LINK OF FOX 8 NEWS.
http://www.channelchooser.com/index.php?watch=Fox%208&id=670&get=1

[Mateo]

The thing is, there's nothing brave about standing up to nature. Being defiant against hurricanes is not like being defiant against terrorists. It's just stupid. Realize that some places just aren't safe to live in and move on. "Culture" is meaningless if you're not alive to experience it. You can build a home somewhere besides a swamp.

[Showtime]

i am a new orleanian, i have not been in new orleans since 05. after being hurt in iraq i had to undergo treatment and numerous surgeries at johns hopkins and walter reed amc. i was on my feet in 06 and chose to move my family to jacksonville fl. which is a beautiful city. now heres the catch, i did'nt leave due to continuing threats of hurricanes, but the continuing decline in the new orleans school system. i have 3 young kids and i refuse to let them be subjected to a below average education. the city of new orleans is so full of culture and tradition. it is almost idiotic to think that people can just leave thier history and stay gone. people do know the possible risk of rebuilding in an area that has a chance to be continuously devistated. but why do they, why do people take those chances, like those who rebuild in tornado prone, or earthquke areas. it becomes an issue of a love for home. why do the majority of nba players stay in the usa instead of playing in places where the people treat them like gods, pay them more and untaxed money, and in some cases, provide home and car. because they love the since of home, people need the since of home in new orleans. when i was in dc, even now in florida, its been hard to adjust. the food is different, the music is different, the people are different. everyone has different opinions, im just speaking for the people who choose not to leave. everyday i wish i was in new orleans and if not for the poor education system, no natural disaster could keep me from coming back, over and over again. this is'nt a crap city in the middle of nowhere, its a city worth coming back to. i told my wife that once the kids are in college im going back to retire. im not going to bash the opinion of showtime or no other person because thats all it is to me, an opinion.



FOR ANYONE WHO WANTS UP TO THE MINUTE UPDATES ON THIS SITUATION, VIEW THIS MULTIMEDIA LINK OF FOX 8 NEWS.
http://www.channelchooser.com/index.php?watch=Fox%208&id=670&get=1
I appreciate you approaching this from this perspective, and willing to discuss the situation without attacking others. I respect your opinion, and certainly can relate to the feeling of being close to home. I haven't had a strong tie to the culture, but my experience has been more related to family connections and history in my area. Personally, I couldn't choose to stay in a situation where every year, there was a chance my home, or the homes of people I care about could be in jeopardy. I just wouldn't want to subject myself or my family to that. With that being said, I certainly feel for those that had no choice in the matter, and face a difficult time ahead.

[Godfather]

I appreciate you approaching this from this perspective, and willing to discuss the situation without attacking others. I respect your opinion, and certainly can relate to the feeling of being close to home. I haven't had a strong tie to the culture, but my experience has been more related to family connections and history in my area. Personally, I couldn't choose to stay in a situation where every year, there was a chance my home, or the homes of people I care about could be in jeopardy. I just wouldn't want to subject myself or my family to that. With that being said, I certainly feel for those that had no choice in the matter, and face a difficult time ahead.

Lol...No you do not...Every single one of your posts have been negative on this topic leading up. However it is good to see finally a first hand account of the situation set you straight. From now on think twice before posting on the mishaps of others...

[Showtime]

Lol...No you do not...Every single one of your posts have been negative on this topic leading up. However it is good to see finally a first hand account of the situation set you straight. From now on think twice before posting on the mishaps of others...
OMFG do you ever get a clue? I guess not. I guess spelling it out as clear as day will never get your brain to wrap around the idea that I haven't been discussing every person in general terms.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2190515&postcount=83

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2190115&postcount=71

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2191000&postcount=130

[catzhernandez]

What the f-ck is the matter with you, Showtime? You know you're way off base here, just give up, you pompous prick.

[Showtime]

What the f-ck is the matter with you, Showtime? You know you're way off base here, just give up, you pompous prick.
Arrogant: Having or displaying a sense of overbearing self-worth or self-importance.

How have I been overbearing with self worth, when all I've been doing is trying to clarify my initial post in order for the misunderstandings to end? I've laid it all out there for people to understand what I was saying. I am done trying to get people to realize I'm not attacking the poor, not criticizing the victims, or belittling their lives. But what the hell does that matter, when some idiot can make up his mind and then flame?

I challenge someone to find a post where I put down the flood victims. Find it. Any explanations have been just that: reasons to show why I feel the way I feel, and NOT a judgment against people.

[niko]

Do we have mods? THis is a TERRIBLE thread whose whole purpose was someone getting to say NO IS GOING TO GET SMASHED and be a dick in a way that allowed the thread to keep going. At the time NO is in the path of something bad, we shouldn;t have a "where are their treams moving to after the city gets smashed" thread. thats insane.

[Showtime]

Do we have mods? THis is a TERRIBLE thread whose whole purpose was someone getting to say NO IS GOING TO GET SMASHED and be a dick in a way that allowed the thread to keep going. At the time NO is in the path of something bad, we shouldn;t have a "where are their treams moving to after the city gets smashed" thread. thats insane.
To be fair, there already is a topic on the hurricane situation in the OTC, and this is the NBA section, so I don't see anything wrong with discussing where the Hornets would play next season. However, I agree with you that his approach is blunt, and the topic probably should be discussed later on after we see how the area is effected.

[Trax416]

Thread should be closed. Horrible timing. People are fleeing for their lives(including me) and the first thing you can think of is where are our pro teams gonna go AFTER this storm wipes us off the face of the map? Get a life dude. How bout you pray for New Orleans before you plot its downfall

Praying to an invisible man Vs being realistic.

I think he should stick with being realistic.

[Lebron23]

Vancouver Hornets- Canada's 2nd team in the NBA. :rockon:

[AMERVET]

+ why are people talking like the hornets are going to up and leave and stay gone. lets be real, Seatle wasnt showing up to see their own team, shin will not move anywhere he may lose money. if my team had to temporarily relocate shin is looking for a city where his team is the only priority like okc, but thats the last resort. they will play the whole season in n.o like scheduled

[Godfather]

Arrogant: Having or displaying a sense of overbearing self-worth or self-importance.

How have I been overbearing with self worth, when all I've been doing is trying to clarify my initial post in order for the misunderstandings to end? I've laid it all out there for people to understand what I was saying. I am done trying to get people to realize I'm not attacking the poor, not criticizing the victims, or belittling their lives. But what the hell does that matter, when some idiot can make up his mind and then flame?

I challenge someone to find a post where I put down the flood victims. Find it. Any explanations have been just that: reasons to show why I feel the way I feel, and NOT a judgment against people.

There are alot of idiots who made up their mind to flame you...Just deal with it you aren't an empathic human being and should not be posting on topics due to your pure insensitivity,

[DaCommish]

Im athiest :hammerhead: so who do you suggest I pray to? The Hurricane god?

This is purely an NBA topic on where the Hornets will move too.

Fixed.

[lawlerslaw100]

Forecasts say no move.:cheers: The end of the world will have to wait
another year. :wtf: :lol Now all of you doomsday fools, sell everything you
have at 90% off and we will give all of the water, canned foods, and dried
foods you can carry. :violin:

[JohnRuck]

It's not 100 years ago!! This is the entire point! New Orleans was a great city at one point, now it's a storm magnet dump. Move. Now. Before you die.


new orleans IS a great city, and if you knew anything about aything, you would know that at least 40% of the UNITED states coast is just as vulnerable to hurricanes as louisiana. IDIOT.

your ideas are both childish and idiotic, which makes me come to the conclusion that you could not be any older than 14 years old, god forbid you are, because if so, you really are the definition of a senseless and stupid human being.

have a nice day.

[JohnRuck]

[QUOTE=Se

[Copperhead]

LMAO @ this being an 11 page thread and LMAO at people trying their hardest to move the Hornets. The Hornets are doing well. They just sold 10,000 full season tickets (even before the partial plans were available) something done for the first time since moving to New Orleans. The sports teams provides jobs for people and outlets for people looking for entertainment. Every year Florida gets hit by hurricanes but I don't see anyone talking about getting rid of a city or moving their sports teams. No, they haven't been hit as hard as a catastrophic Katrina but every year they get hit, they clean up, rebuild and next year repeat the process. New Orleans is one of America's oldest cities and has a lot of culture behind it. Most here have never even been to New Orleans. All they know is what the media chooses to show on tv or what they hear other people say. What happens if there is a levee breach in Sacramento? Are people going to try to move the Kings? Some of you probably didn't even know Sacramento had levees right? What happens if a tornado goes roaring through OKC and whips the Ford Center right out of the ground? I don't even read through threads like this because I know there are tons of ignorant things being said. It must be nice to just sit behind a keyboard and talk about something that you really don't know much about.

Senor Cedric and John Ruck I haven't read the thread but from your recent posts above, let me say thanks for being the voice of reason.

[2LeTTeRS]

I know I'm late but after the posts I put in this thead I had to bump this thread. **** eveybody who wished bad on the city of New Orleans just so the Hornets would leave, or who had the nerve to say the people deserve no empathy/aid because they should have known better because their was another natural disaster there a few years back.

[BlazersDozen]

I believe that there will never be a NBA team in Las Vegas. The ref gambling scandel, the strip club incident at the All-Star game. Not to mention that the majority of people there are tourist and that the citizens are actually the minority. Not to mention that a league moving a team to a place nicknamed Sin City might not be a good move when they are in the news all the time for character problems.

Seattle will be the next city to get a NBA franchise. I've brought it up enough times. There is a clause in the court settlement that if Seattle doesn't get a team in a certain amount of years then Clay Bennett has to pay a ton of money to the city of Seattle and by the end he would've payed about 75% of what was needed to pay for the new arena himself just to move the team. We all know David Stern won't let that happen to his good pal.