Blender Magazine calls Tupac "the most overrated artist ever"

[kenuffff]

whatever, tupac was a platinum selling artist before his death, and after, his death added to the mystery surrounding him but i think you could say the same about a lot of other dead artists, this might make some of you mad but honestly jimmy hendrix was an image, that everyone ate up, talented yes, and he only released a small portion of music half of it was covers..of bob dylan or blues songs

[ukplayer4]

tupac is not overrated. i know its a cleche but i honestly cannot seperate tupac and biggie in terms of who for me is the greatest rapper ever.


and all eyes on me is a classic regardless of anyones opinion.

[kenuffff]

i don't see how the beatles are overrated, white album?????.....its not that innovative to you because everyone for the past 40 years has copied from them.. i think u2 is overrated, i've NEVER liked them and have never seen the appeal

[untouchable]

f.uck the beatles.. pac n biggie were the $hit

[Hawker]

:oldlol: I am sorry but the Beatles are overrated and everyone knows it. You do, I do, we all do. Whether or not we want to admit it is a different question. You guys make it seem like the Beatles are the best thing that has ever happened in music. Most of the people I talk to and most of the interview I have seen have Tupac at number on all-time, in a tie with Biggie, or in their top five. Beatles? You guys would beat anyone up for not saying they were the best ever. That's why they are overrated. I am prepared to be lambasted by you in a couple of minutes.

Ya, because you're looking at hip-hop and rap artist lists. All the lists I've ever seen have the Beatles as #1.

The Beatles aren't overrated. I can't really listen to them as much as I used to but they have influenced and innovated so much through instruments, songwriting and sound that it's hard not to call them #1.

[phoenix18]

Ya, because you're looking at hip-hop and rap artist lists. All the lists I've ever seen have the Beatles as #1.

The Beatles aren't overrated. I can't really listen to them as much as I used to but they have influenced and innovated so much through instruments, songwriting and sound that it's hard not to call them #1.

I have never seen anyone/group/diety get as much slurping as the Beatles. I am not saying they werent great, I am just saying they get overrated. Pac has influenced a whole generation and crossed racial barriers. Look at this way, my friend's mom, who is a 47 year old white woman, knows who Tupac is and knows some of his songs. He is legendary. So are the Beatles. But if I say so and so are better than the Beatles, I bet you would try to virtually make me choke on my own words.

[sunsfan1357]

Can you explain? What is wrong with the with his bars?



Perhaps I was blind to the facts, stabbed in the back
I couldn't trust my own homies just a bunch a dirty rats
Will I, succeed, paranoid from the weed
And hocus pocus try to focus but I can't see
And in my mind I'ma blind man doin time
Look to my future cause my past, is all behind me
Is it a crime, to fight, for what is mine?
Everybody's dyin tell me what's the use of tryin
I've been Trapped since birth, cautious, cause I'm cursed
And fantasies of my family, in a hearse
And they say it's the white man I should fear
But, it's my own kind doin all the killin here
I can't lie, ain't no love for the other side
Jealousy inside, make em wish I died
Oh my Lord, tell me what I'm livin for
Everybody's droppin got me knockin on heaven's door
And all my memories, of seein brothers bleed
And everybody grieves, but still nobody sees
Recollect your thoughts don't get caught up in the mix
Cause the media is full of dirty tricks
Only God can judge me

What is wrong with that?


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Just browsing through old topics and this piqued my interest. I always see people saying so and so is not that great technically, but never give an example and break it down from a technical standpoint. This post was also ignored so can anyone actually point out why this doesn't stack up to someone else's verse who is viewed as technically better? Just my two cents, I too think Pac is overrated. I like his work, but to me his rhymes while being emotionally charged are just too simple for me to thoroughly enjoy. Rhymes "fear/hear", "side/died", "for/door" too much, I personally like switching up rhyme schemes and stuff, I was just curious what other people thought.

[Stinky Dog]

The Beatles are overrated because they are considered the greatest band of all time, despite not having actually invented/brought anything new to rock music. They were not great singers, and a lot of their songs were childish gibberish.
lol this post is so gross.

[EarlTheGoat]

Blender Magazine can suck my balls.

[PHX_Phan]

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I'll never understand the fascination behind coming up with this type of shit. Who's top 5, top 10, GOAT, Underrated, Overrated. Who cares? It's music. Art on discs. Take it for what it is, and enjoy it.

[DinoRadja40]

Tupac isn't overrated.. not one bit.

Calling Tupac overrated in an era when kids think lil wayne is the best rapper is laughable at best.

This, and the Beatles comment is just ignorant. :facepalm

[hito da god]

Just browsing through old topics and this piqued my interest. I always see people saying so and so is not that great technically, but never give an example and break it down from a technical standpoint. This post was also ignored so can anyone actually point out why this doesn't stack up to someone else's verse who is viewed as technically better? Just my two cents, I too think Pac is overrated. I like his work, but to me his rhymes while being emotionally charged are just too simple for me to thoroughly enjoy. Rhymes "fear/hear", "side/died", "for/door" too much, I personally like switching up rhyme schemes and stuff, I was just curious what other people thought.
pac was more poetic with his rhymes than most rappers.

he's more about alliteration and imagery than he is punch lines and multi-syllabic rhymes.

i have given some pac tracks to numerous english teachers and every single one of them was blown away. for a few of them, pac was what got them into hip-hop.

if i die 2nite:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAMgSUgtAAw

so many tears:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tbs7wWLXLpw

me against the world:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cjv7hEAytU&feature=related

only god can judge me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=padvnsLUhUM&feature=related

and the first three of those are from the same album. pac isn't the most technically skilled rapper :rolleyes: but he's not the least. and he's MUCH more skilled than most. what makes pac such a great and complex ARTIST is the emotional charge behind all of his lyrics. good rappers come a dime a dozen. you can find a good rappers in any hood in america. to be a great artist is something special that goes beyond being a great "technically skilled" rapper. i have no problem saying pac is the greatest artist in hip-hop history.

he slaughtered biggie with one ad lib, and that's coming from a born and bred new yorker: that's why i f*cked yo ***** you fat muthaf*cka! just the delivery behind that one line takes talent and musical ability that one is BORN with.

this is why nobody reads blender magazine. that had to be a shock article.

[Rake2204]

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I'll never understand the fascination behind coming up with this type of shit. Who's top 5, top 10, GOAT, Underrated, Overrated. Who cares? It's music. Art on discs. Take it for what it is, and enjoy it.
Truth. It's art. We'll interpret it differently. I personally do not care for Tupac's music or The Beatles.

[bdreason]

BS. Tupac was the most renowned rapper of my generation. He connected with people like most artists only dream that they could. The only reason one could consider him overrated was because he was on the downside of his career when he died, and then whoever had the rights to his material whored him out by releasing a bunch of tracks he never wanted to release.

[Go Getter]

Tupac was just another hip hop artist when he was alive. Its unbelievable the **** i hear about how legendary he is nowadays. I'm betting Kanye is going to have the same **** happen to him when he dies, and history will be reinvented again :banghead:


Pac was a living legend.

"5 shots couldn't drop me, I took it and smiled"

Kids in Africa have Tupac memorials and still listen to his music today despite having little knowledge about American rappers.

[nek1477]

pac was more poetic with his rhymes than most rappers.

he's more about alliteration and imagery than he is punch lines and multi-syllabic rhymes.

i have given some pac tracks to numerous english teachers and every single one of them was blown away. for a few of them, pac was what got them into hip-hop.

if i die 2nite:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAMgSUgtAAw

so many tears:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tbs7wWLXLpw

me against the world:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cjv7hEAytU&feature=related

only god can judge me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=padvnsLUhUM&feature=related

and the first three of those are from the same album. pac isn't the most technically skilled rapper :rolleyes: but he's not the least. and he's MUCH more skilled than most. what makes pac such a great and complex ARTIST is the emotional charge behind all of his lyrics. good rappers come a dime a dozen. you can find a good rappers in any hood in america. to be a great artist is something special that goes beyond being a great "technically skilled" rapper. i have no problem saying pac is the greatest artist in hip-hop history.

he slaughtered biggie with one ad lib, and that's coming from a born and bred new yorker: that's why i f*cked yo ***** you fat muthaf*cka! just the delivery behind that one line takes talent and musical ability that one is BORN with.

this is why nobody reads blender magazine. that had to be a shock article.
:cheers: like beating a dead horse, you cant try to convince people when there wrong, there too ignorant and will never get it right. Tupac= GOAT

[Poodle]

He is. Tupac wasn't NEARLY thought of like he is now when he was alive. And its always funny to see kids who weren't even alive or just a baby when Tupac was around making music, talk about how influential he was to hip hop :rolleyes:


damn the one time i regret having red rep. THIS GUY deserves a million upvotes. BEST POSTER EVER!

SMOKEE YOU'RE THE BEST!11

[Poodle]

Pac was a living legend.

"5 shots couldn't drop me, I took it and smiled"

Kids in Africa have Tupac memorials and still listen to his music today despite having little knowledge about American rappers.


why did he become WAY more famous and legendary after he died? and why was he considered nowhere near the best when he was alive in his prime?

a lot of rappers are overrated tho. Biggie is too. all i ever hear from him that people love is "IT was all a dream...used to read word up magazine", but you never hear anybody making a big deal out of his other stuff.

i mean both of these guys could be the 2 most overrated people in music EVER.

its one thing to be the Beatles, and have the whole world riding your nuts when you're alive, winning every award, and being a music phenom. But its another to be pathetically average when you're alive, definitely nowhere near a big deal, and then become this huge legend after they die to future generations that didn't know how average they were back in their day.

and yeah music is VERY subjective just like movies, but thats what i'm saying. its like in some people's minds only, and somehow has become sort of reality within some rap fan circles.

[Poodle]

BS. Tupac was the most renowned rapper of my generation. He connected with people like most artists only dream that they could. The only reason one could consider him overrated was because he was on the downside of his career when he died, and then whoever had the rights to his material whored him out by releasing a bunch of tracks he never wanted to release.


no he wasn't. he was decent, but he wasn't even JayZ status of today, not even close. Tupac wasn't performing at all of the events like JayZ, he wasn't wanted nearly that much. Not saying he was some nobody, but Tupac was NOWHERE close to how people hype him now, when he was alive. i'm sure he had his rabid fans, but that sure wasn't most people back then. he was at least 2 tiers below JayZ fame of today, which puts him at maybe barely above average.

i wish i could remember all of the rappers back then, but beastie boys, Tribe Called Quest, etc. were easilly way bigger.

[DinoRadja40]

no he wasn't. he was decent, but he wasn't even JayZ status of today, not even close. Tupac wasn't performing at all of the events like JayZ, he wasn't wanted nearly that much. Not saying he was some nobody, but Tupac was NOWHERE close to how people hype him now, when he was alive. i'm sure he had his rabid fans, but that sure wasn't most people back then. he was at least 2 tiers below JayZ fame of today, which puts him at maybe barely above average.

i wish i could remember all of the rappers back then, but beastie boys, Tribe Called Quest, etc. were easilly way bigger.


Seriously? Seriously? :facepalm

[Poodle]

Seriously? Seriously? :facepalm


yeah seriously. what did i say that isn't true because i'll swear by it. if you think otherwise you either have a terrible memory, or your whole world must've been your crew that thought Tupac was so great. the rest of the world sure as hell didn't put him on that status when he was alive.

[Go Getter]

why did he become WAY more famous and legendary after he died? and why was he considered nowhere near the best when he was alive in his prime?

a lot of rappers are overrated tho. Biggie is too. all i ever hear from him that people love is "IT was all a dream...used to read word up magazine", but you never hear anybody making a big deal out of his other stuff.

i mean both of these guys could be the 2 most overrated people in music EVER.

its one thing to be the Beatles, and have the whole world riding your nuts when you're alive, winning every award, and being a music phenom. But its another to be pathetically average when you're alive, definitely nowhere near a big deal, and then become this huge legend after they die to future generations that didn't know how average they were back in their day.

and yeah music is VERY subjective just like movies, but thats what i'm saying. its like in some people's minds only, and somehow has become sort of reality within some rap fan circles.


Pass that joint and let's talk about Pac for real.

EVERY KNOWN ARTIST THAT DIES YOUNG GETS MORE POPULAR AFTER THEY ARE BURIED.

Pac was featured in 3 films iirc correctly before he died. Me Against the World went platinum.

In the black community Pac is like Elvis, Pour Out a Little Liquor, Dear Momma, I Get Around, I Ain't Mad at You, Only God Can Judge Me, Keep Your Head Up, Straight Ballin, U Can't See Me.....he had a laundry list of hits while he was alive....and kept his name relevant after his death for years because he worked so hard.

How can you debate his greatness when rappers are still saying thug because of him? Look at all the people he touched... coming from a dope fiend mother? Look at his crossover appeal. Look at his talent and passion.


Pac is a legend.


RIP.

[Go Getter]

no he wasn't. he was decent, but he wasn't even JayZ status of today, not even close. Tupac wasn't performing at all of the events like JayZ, he wasn't wanted nearly that much. Not saying he was some nobody, but Tupac was NOWHERE close to how people hype him now, when he was alive. i'm sure he had his rabid fans, but that sure wasn't most people back then. he was at least 2 tiers below JayZ fame of today, which puts him at maybe barely above average.

i wish i could remember all of the rappers back then, but beastie boys, Tribe Called Quest, etc. were easilly way bigger.
THE BEASTIE BOYS?!?!?!


ROTFL

[Poodle]

THE BEASTIE BOYS?!?!?!


ROTFL


they were WAY bigger than tupac

were you even alive back then?

its just such a joke how much shit gets reinvented constantly. sorry tupac's movie career didn't mean shit, nor did half the crap you brought up, nobody cared about that shit, and half is image back then came from him being all gangsta, but to credit him for all of gangsta rap is retarded. NWA brought that shit way before Tupac.

even kanye is bigger now than Tupac ever was when he was alive. altho i'll agree with you the black community will probably put Kanye at legendary status when he dies, maybe even all time great, too bad the rest of the world won't agree. i sure as hell won't. he's such a bad rapper, especially if you hear him live.

[PowerGlove]

they were WAY bigger than tupac

were you even alive back then?

its just such a joke how much shit gets reinvented constantly. sorry tupac's movie career didn't mean shit, nor did half the crap you brought up, nobody cared about that shit, and half is image back then came from him being all gangsta, but to credit him for all of gangsta rap is retarded. NWA brought that shit way before Tupac.
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[Poodle]

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[tpols]

Tupac was good, top 5 for sure, but he didn't have the technical skill of some of the greats. Biggie could freestyle with the best of them and a good amount of his songs were written and made in the studio on the spot. He had an unmatched flow and he would constantly string rhymes together as well as employing other techniques. Tupac was always straight forward with his rhymes, not looking to impress anybody with the structure, word choice, or overall techincal skill, but instead just trying to paint a picture or tell a story in a more simplified form. For tupac, it was about getting out what he had to say instead of showing off his technical abilities as a rapper.

[Poodle]

if you're going to downvote me plz make it count losers. gray neg rep doesn't do shit for me, no dime a dozen greenies either. get your shit together :rolleyes:

[Go Getter]

they were WAY bigger than tupac

were you even alive back then?

its just such a joke how much shit gets reinvented constantly. sorry tupac's movie career didn't mean shit, nor did half the crap you brought up, nobody cared about that shit, and half is image back then came from him being all gangsta, but to credit him for all of gangsta rap is retarded. NWA brought that shit way before Tupac.

even kanye is bigger now than Tupac ever was when he was alive. altho i'll agree with you the black community will probably put Kanye at legendary status when he dies, maybe even all time great, too bad the rest of the world won't agree. i sure as hell won't. he's such a bad rapper, especially if you hear him live.
Actually most of his best material like Brenda's Got a Baby, I Ain't Mad At You, I Get Around, and Dear Mama don't have a gangster theme.

Smh at Kanye being bigger than Pac. Richer because of the times maybe, but if you feel like Kanye will be bigger than Pac in the black community its obvious you dont know wtf you talkin bout.

[ukplayer4]

poodle with his usual stupidity, so you dont like tupac, fine but you wont convert others to your lack of taste.

[Rasheed1]

As a rapper... 2pac was overrated...he made people feel emotion so that is why he is soo loved...

He wasnt on the level of the other MCs who are talked about as the best ever...

He knew how to write songs and convey a certain message better than most rappers, but he didnt have the skills that Biggie and Jay and Nas and some others had...

[Ass Dan]

definitely overrated, the fact he is in the GOAT discussion so much is laughable.

had he not died he'd be doing kiddy movies with Ice Cube today and pumping out bland albums every couple of years to make a bit of extra cash.

[ukplayer4]

As a rapper... 2pac was overrated...he made people feel emotion so that is why he is soo loved...

He wasnt on the level of the other MCs who are talked about as the best ever...

He knew how to write songs and convey a certain message better than most rappers, but he didnt have the skills that Biggie and Jay and Nas and some others had...



i agree with this more so and certainly i feel that atleast partially it is for the reason you stated that he is so highly thought of.

[ukplayer4]

definitely overrated, the fact he is in the GOAT discussion so much is laughable.

had he not died he'd be doing kiddy movies with Ice Cube today and pumping out bland albums every couple of years to make a bit of extra cash.



orly?

why so, he didnt do that when he was alive.

[Poodle]

poodle with his usual stupidity, so you dont like tupac, fine but you wont convert others to your lack of taste.


oh please, your pretentious ass has some of the worst taste here when it comes to everything entertainment, ESPECIALLY MOVIES :violin:

i just don't fall for the hype, and its clear tupac is overhyped these days, considering how pathetically average he was when he was alive and rapping. he'd always be teaming up with some rap crew, or someone else famous back in the day. kids reinvent so much shit nowadays, this is just like when they say kobe > MJ :oldlol:

[PHX_Phan]

As a rapper... 2pac was overrated...he made people feel emotion so that is why he is soo loved...

He wasnt on the level of the other MCs who are talked about as the best ever...

He knew how to write songs and convey a certain message better than most rappers, but he didnt have the skills that Biggie and Jay and Nas and some others had...

It depends on who you ask. Most people would say your description of Pac is exactly why he is considered a step above all of those guys by many. To some, being able to write a verse that spoke to people rather than something that just sounded technical is a skill not many possess.

But I also think people look at Pac's music as unintended consequence, which it was not. He didn't appeal to people by mistake, he was a natural song writer with the ability to speak to people in ways only few can.

It all comes down to the listener and how you perceive what you hear. Personally, I'm more impressed by the ability to construct a great song than I am at rappers who go out of their way to display their skill, or lack thereof.

[Poodle]

Beatles were a world phenomenon. Ever see how nuts people went in those black and white clips? I don't think we've ever seen anything like that with any celebrity/musicians...

They also were pretty diverse with their music. Personally i hated they're top 40 stuff though that they are mostly known for(twist and shouts).

They also i believe started that genre of upbeat music, or something like that. I just remember reading somewhere they got a lot of flack with religious nuts calling it the 'devils music'....don't forget in those days religious nuts were like anti-dancing....even in the 80's they used to portray hard rock, and groups like ACDC or Def Lepard as satanists. Funny how things change, and how ignorant the religious extremists always are :rolleyes:

Tupac was just another hip hop artist when he was alive. Its unbelievable the **** i hear about how legendary he is nowadays. I'm betting Kanye is going to have the same **** happen to him when he dies, and history will be reinvented again :banghead:


i love u SMOKEE! you remind me of me when i was young :pimp:

[macmac]

i love u SMOKEE! you remind me of me when i was young :pimp:

And yet he doesn't look a thing like Jesus