Heroes Season 3 Episode 1 & 2

[WhiteMosɘs]

Spoilers, spoilers, spoilers:



That was incredible! As always, the Ando and Hiro scenes were gold, and the speedster was generally entertaining with Hiro. I read a negative review saying the time thing, and a future disaster was just like season 1, but it was actually quite different, and awesome! There were some more displays of power, which I like, we got to see Maya wearing not a lot, and Mohinder becoming, for a short while, a hero. I never thought the killer was Peter (I'm sure a lot of people did) and I thought it all played out well. I'm excited to see what happens in Africa, as I'd thought for awhile that it would be cool to explore the powers in Africa, because they has to be a load of great ones. What were your guys' thoughts?

[Lamar Doom]

oh yeah and don't forget

Monday, September 29th (after Heroes) we kick off the 2nd season of "Life (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0874936/)".

This is the show I'm working on this year and if their ratings are good enough through the first four episodes we'll get picked up for "the back 9" (we get to shoot another 9 episodes) and that's good news for me and my bank account. Would be awesome if you guys would check the show out and tell your friends about it. It's actually quite good for a network episodic drama, i don't watch a lot of cop/medical dramas (which is all they make right now) but I do know this is definitely a cut above the rest. Much smarter and funnier.

You can watch the ENTIRE FIRST SEASON FREE on nbc.com http://www.nbc.com/Life/video/episodes/ if you want to get caught up


our schedule to start the season:

episode 1- monday september 29th
episode 2- friday october 3rd
episode 3- monday october 6th
episode 4- friday october 10th
(at this point we fall into our regular friday time slot for the rest of the season) note that we air two episodes in the same week, so be there monday and friday or set your DVR/TIVO.


the show is about a cop who served 12 years of a life sentence (1995-2007) for a crime he didnt' commit. when he's exonnerated for the crime he gets a 50 million dollar settlement and his job back with a promotion to detective from uniformed officer. he gets into zen philosophy in prison and is a comically deep character. it's witty, quirky, well written and well played. the character (charlie crews) is played by damian lewis (band of brothers, dreamcatcher, keane) and also stars sarah shahi (L Word, Sopranos, Rush Hour 3, For Your Consideration, Dog Problem) as his ex-junky partner and features Adam Arkin and Donal Logue (Tao of Steve, Blade, Grounded For Life, Patriot, Jerry Maguire, Sneakers).

http://www.nytimes.com/images/blogs/tvdecoder/posts/1107/life-nbc.jpg
http://www.gearpatrol.com/images/sarah_shahi1.jpg
http://z.about.com/d/lesbianlife/1/7/G/8/Sarah2.jpg
(extra pics of sarah because i know my audience here)
http://gallery.iranproud.com/files/1/0/3/8/SarahShahi4.jpg
http://seat42f.com/site/images/stories/donal-logue.jpg

thanks for watching/holding it down for me guys.


---> Watch Season 1 online Free (http://www.nbc.com/Life/video/episodes/)

[Aussie Outcast]

If that chick is on life im going to start watching it. Wont be the first time Ive done something like that. IE: I watched Dark Angel

[ZHAKIDD532]

That was a freakin awesome premiere, just watched it online.

Wow, there were quite a few HOLY **** moments there weren’t there. Despite the fact that a lot of people knew future Peter shot Nathan, I’m sure the rest of the world got a nice little surprise.

I think Claire is going to have an interesting season.

I don’t know what’s up with Matt, but it could turn out to be very cool

Angela is Sylar’s mother!??!?!!?!?

Nathan can see Linderman while no one else can? How does that work?

Who the **** is Tracy Strauss and where did she come from? Her power is freakin awesome!

Mohinder is going Spidey on us I think

Elle knocked Sylar the **** out, that was pretty sweet.

Hiro is having a little too much fun with this I think, playing Batman. He’s going to be interesting too.

And that one scene with the villains stealing that car was awesome. The flame guy was torching someone, the German is basically Magneto. And Peter is trapped in this guy Jesse’s body? Oh man…

Not only that, but Adam and Maury were up and about, in a dream sequence anyway, right there with Tracy and Knox. I wonder why Nathan wasn’t in that sequence….that’s Angela’s power too. Always kind of knew it, but nice to be told I’m right.

AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!

[Knuck the Ficks]

Lamar Doom
Are you the dude that said he worked on Dexter?

If so why'd you leave? Dexter >>> Life.

[steve]

Are you the dude that said he worked on Dexter?

If so why'd you leave? Dexter >>> Life.
It's a network tv show vs a cable show that isn't even on basic cable. Careerwise it's a fairly simple decision.

[Randy]

I can sort of forgive them for season 2 with the WGA strike and all but last night was just unacceptable. How quickly this show has digressed is simply record breaking.

[RidonKs]

That was... very eh. How can they continue to pose new questions and mysteries without having solved those that date back to the beginnings of season one? I'm seriously starting to think that they don't have any explicit answers at all, so they're just trying to go in a new direction. They've written themselves into a corner, and now they're trying to escape by chiseling through the back wall instead of wading through the mess they themselves created.

Last night wasn't terrible, but I highly doubt I'll watch more than the next 2-3 more episodes. I'm going to give them a chance to redeem themselves, but I'm not going to be surprised when it doesn't happen.

Just so many frickin' holes in every damn storyline...

[DeuceWallaces]

Someone needs to force their writers into a room and make them watch a couple seasons of lost so they learn how to write a tight story with so many characters.

[steve]

Someone needs to force their writers into a room and make them watch a couple seasons of lost so they learn how to write a tight story with so many characters.
God, no, that will only make the problems worse. They need to take another page from comics (you know instead of just superficially ripping off X-Men stories from 10 to 20 years ago) and restart everything. The reason mutliple characters works (relatively) on Lost is because the characters are all in a confined location so they're force to interact with each other. In a show like Heroes (which shouldn't even be the title), a lot of the characters have no reason to interact other than overally contrived reasons. They should've started out with a smaller defined cast and then built from there (basically Peter, Hiro, the painter guy from season 1, and maybe Surresh and then Claire as the lone cast member not apart of the main group at first, and you know, actually have them do something heroic).

[gts]

Lamar Doom I love that show...

[Qwyjibo]

What a terrible 1st episode. Volume 3 should be called "Plotholes".

- Do Peter and Future Peter just forget about all the powers they have? Did he really need to go back for that gun? Was that the only way to kill Nathan or the plot just require Matt to intervene, be sent off somewhere and stall for Nathan's religious epiphany? Why are these characters so stupid?
- Hiro and the speedster. Here is another "hero" who seemingly forgets his powers and is basically an idiot. Why are these characters so stupid?
- Sylar could have taken care of the Claire business instantly without ever getting stabbed or foiled by a chained closet door (OMG!). WHY ARE THESE CHARACTERS SO STUPID?
- More random time traveling to take away the little logic left in this show. Peter, Hiro and all their future and past selves need to be killed off ASAP.

Now time to go torture myself with the 2nd episode. Ugh, how can such an initially interesting and exciting show go so wrong so quickly?

[RidonKs]

I knew the episode was doomed from the very first sequence: Claire has a gun pointed at Peter, who pleads and begs Claire not to do what she is about to do. Even though he's a telekinetic. And can stop time.

And Claire, presumably fully aware of the vast array of Peter's powers considering they've spent the last 4 ****ing years together, decides that a gun is really going to threaten, and possibly kill, a virtually omnipotent man.

Ok...?


Edit: Also, the speedster not being affected by Hiro's time powers isn't even touched. I really hope they don't just leave that up in the air as a "well we had to reveal the identity of the thief, but we couldn't just let Hiro's overpowering ability allow him to snatch the formula right back".

[gb8]

Can someone please post an online link to watch these, much appreciated in advance.

[Qwyjibo]

I get that this is a fantasy show about people with super powers but that's no excuse for such horribly written characters and gaping holes in the plot.

I forgot about the Claire-Peter scene at the start. During that whole thing I was wondering "what's the point of all this? Nothing is going to happen."

[bada bing]

Someone needs to force their writers into a room and make them watch a couple seasons of lost so they learn how to write a tight story with so many characters.

screw LOST. Make them watch Battlestar Galactica which is a hundred times more complex and better written show then LOST.

[Randy]

Can someone please post an online link to watch these, much appreciated in advance.

http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/video/episodes/?vid=678022#vid=678022






Peter shoots his brother even though he can just stop time and tell himself the repercussions of what is to come? Right.......

[NastaMaverick]

I thought it was awesome last night, IDK how some of you think it was bad.

[gb8]

http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/video/episodes/?vid=678022#vid=678022






Peter shoots his brother even though he can just stop time and tell himself the repercussions of what is to come? Right.......

Not in the states cant view it on the nbc site.

[Randy]

I thought it was awesome last night, IDK how some of you think it was bad.

It's called plot holes and common sense. It's not that difficult.

ZomG!! pete looks so evil with that scar that somehow managed to miss his left eye completely!1!

[Randy]

Not in the states cant view it on the nbc site.

Here's ep.2 in good quality: http://www.watchheroesonlinefree.net/2008/09/heroes-season-3-episode-02-butterfly.html

I'm sure you can work your way around that site and find the Ep.1, although it is pretty terrible.

[DeuceWallaces]

God, no, that will only make the problems worse. They need to take another page from comics (you know instead of just superficially ripping off X-Men stories from 10 to 20 years ago) and restart everything. The reason mutliple characters works (relatively) on Lost is because the characters are all in a confined location so they're force to interact with each other. In a show like Heroes (which shouldn't even be the title), a lot of the characters have no reason to interact other than overally contrived reasons. They should've started out with a smaller defined cast and then built from there (basically Peter, Hiro, the painter guy from season 1, and maybe Surresh and then Claire as the lone cast member not apart of the main group at first, and you know, actually have them do something heroic).

But Lost characters don't all act with each other despite their confinement, and the writers know how to effectively separate story archs and tell one of them in an episode. You can go 2, maybe 3 episodes without touching a character and their arch.

Meanwhile Heroes has 20 people all forced into the same arch, and the writers are hitting 15 of them each episode with 3 minute bits that make the story seem all over the place.


Also, the speedster not being affected by Hiro's time powers isn't even touched. I really hope they don't just leave that up in the air as a "well we had to reveal the identity of the thief, but we couldn't just let Hiro's overpowering ability allow him to snatch the formula right back".

I think the point is he can't stop time, he just slows it waaaaaaaaaaay down. When she is around while his power is enacted she moves at normal speeds.


screw LOST. Make them watch Battlestar Galactica which is a hundred times more complex and better written show then LOST.


Right, screw one of the best TV Shows ever. Lost isn't complicated. Lol. You prolly just dont' get what's going on.

[bigkingsfan]

Lost isn't complicated. Lol. You prolly just dont' get what's going on.
No one does. :no:

[RidonKs]

I think the point is he can't stop time, he just slows it waaaaaaaaaaay down. When she is around while his power is enacted she moves at normal speeds.
That would be a logical case if they hadn't been calling it "stopping time" for the past two seasons.


Meanwhile Heroes has 20 people all forced into the same arch, and the writers are hitting 15 of them each episode with 3 minute bits that make the story seem all over the place.
This is the primary fault in the show. They focused on specific characters a bit in the first season, but they seem to have gone away from that approach. Take something like "Company Man" from the first season. That was one of my favorite episodes, and the focus on the Bennet's (especially Noah who's probably my favourite character) was really well done.

When they hop around like they did last night... it just makes it more difficult to care about anyone in the show.

[NastaMaverick]

Here's ep.2 in good quality: http://www.watchheroesonlinefree.net/2008/09/heroes-season-3-episode-02-butterfly.html

I'm sure you can work your way around that site and find the Ep.1, although it is pretty terrible.
whatever...I thought it was cool.

[steve]

But Lost characters don't all act with each other despite their confinement, and the writers know how to effectively separate story archs and tell one of them in an episode. You can go 2, maybe 3 episodes without touching a character and their arch.

Meanwhile Heroes has 20 people all forced into the same arch, and the writers are hitting 15 of them each episode with 3 minute bits that make the story seem all over the place.
But part of everyone living on the same island when they aren't interacting with each other (which does happen quite), there's a sense of shared experience, meaning what one person does on the island effects the someone else on the island almost immediately. There's an intimacy there that's never existed on Heroes. Also, the early episodes (and through most of season 1), the characters almost always interacted as a group, which the show benefitted from when they started branching out into their more seperate story arcs. Heroes started off apart and then weren't brought together in any definitive fashion until the last episode of season 1 until they were broken up soon after and rarely interacted with each other again. When you have a large cast you have to have a shared experience mentality that each of the characters arcs effect one another or else your telling four or five different stories that really have no meaning to any other story taking place (which is one of the major problems Heroes has had since the beginning). If you look at the show as a whole, the problems that are existing now showed up in the very first couple of episodes that they just didn't have the foresight to correct.

[out|hoops|side]

It's called plot holes and common sense. It's not that difficult.

ZomG!! pete looks so evil with that scar that somehow managed to miss his left eye completely!1!

Now you are nitpicking. I might have agree with some of your other arguments, but this is garbage.
I have two scars, one on my index finger, one on my middle finger. They're both from the same knife but they're in completely different directions (one even makes a triangle without a base while the other is a straight line. I did this during the summer, I have no idea how I did two different directions though as the knife was traveling in one.
Peter's scar easily could have missed his left eye, in fact if you look at a picture of it, if the scar were completed it would not have hit his left eye, it would have gone over the bridge of his nose and followed below his eye.

[WhiteMosɘs]

I knew the episode was doomed from the very first sequence: Claire has a gun pointed at Peter, who pleads and begs Claire not to do what she is about to do. Even though he's a telekinetic. And can stop time.

And Claire, presumably fully aware of the vast array of Peter's powers considering they've spent the last 4 ****ing years together, decides that a gun is really going to threaten, and possibly kill, a virtually omnipotent man.

Ok...?


Edit: Also, the speedster not being affected by Hiro's time powers isn't even touched. I really hope they don't just leave that up in the air as a "well we had to reveal the identity of the thief, but we couldn't just let Hiro's overpowering ability allow him to snatch the formula right back".

Hiro can stop time, the Heroes writers say that because she can run so fast, the powers negate each other kind of. Something like that.

[RidonKs]

Hiro can stop time, the Heroes writers say that because she can run so fast, the powers negate each other kind of. Something like that.
That might be what they say, but it still doesn't make sense, logically anyways. What Deuce said would make sense, but it's already been established that that isn't the case.

It's not a major plothole, but it's one of many minor ones that they need to have to further the direction they want to take the story. It's just annoying.

[WhiteMosɘs]

What were the questions that people were saying that exist from season 1 that they still haven't addressed?

[Randy]

And another thing...

So the world is going to end again and it's up to the "heroes" to save it? How fresh!!

Why didn't the scar Peter have heal?

Chains on a closet are going to stop Sylar? :hammerhead:


Massive fail for the first two episodes. Hopefully they pick it up.

[DeuceWallaces]

Don't know about season one, but at the end of 2 the mimic girl is kidnapped and the blond chick and her son go to get her. Now the blond chic is a political advisor and the mimic girl is nowhere to be found.

[gts]

the problem a show like heroes has is every season they have to assume that a certain part of their audience has never seen the show, so they can't rely to much on the plotlines from previous seasons.... they have to balance out giving us a show that makes sense to those of us that have watched it since season 1 and those just starting to watch... it's even complicated more by a serial type show like heroes when you have such a large cast all with their own stories all headed for the envitable season ending collision course...
this is the type of show that they could actually bring in an entire new cast of characters every season without missing a beat, heck it would probably be easier and less confusing...lol

["Jesus"]

Don't know about season one, but at the end of 2 the mimic girl is kidnapped and the blond chick and her son go to get her. Now the blond chic is a political advisor and the mimic girl is nowhere to be found.

Nikki Sanders is supposedly killed. A look-a-like (don't even know her name) is completely a different person with another ability.



I think.

[WhiteMosɘs]

Nikki Sanders is supposedly killed. A look-a-like (don't even know her name) is completely a different person with another ability.



I think.

Isn't it just one of her new personalities.

[WhiteMosɘs]

Obviously a lot of you guys didn't like it, but I'm really excited for what they'll do with Africa. There has to be tons of 'heroes' with very cool powers just waiting to be discovered.:rockon:

[Dash]

Honestly I wasn't expecting much after Season 2 but I loved it.

[WhiteMosɘs]

New theory about the gun. He used it so as not to arouse suspicion. If he'd used a power that could have eventually led people to believe in 'heroes'. Maybe he was being incredibly careful, because he doesn't want that future to happen. Also, if he'd used a power, that would have been more obvious to Nathan, Parkman and present Peter. Just a thought.

[steve]

Oh yeah, Peter's girlfriend from Season two essentially doesn't exist anymore.

[NastaMaverick]

how did Matt end up in Africa again?

[bokes15]

I agree with Qwyjibo, the first episode was terrible. Second was pretty damn good though.

[WhiteMosɘs]

how did Matt end up in Africa again?

Future Petey sent his a ss there.

[out|hoops|side]

The political girl is not a look-a-like of Niki Sanders, she is another personality.

[Qwyjibo]

Take something like "Company Man" from the first season.
God that was an amazing episode. Heroes has done nothing close to it since. Like you said, it focused on one particular aspect of the story but still managed to involve several of the "heroes" and it resulted in one of the best things I've seen on TV in the last couple years.

Where has THAT Heroes gone?

[WhiteMosɘs]

God that was an amazing episode. Heroes has done nothing close to it since. Like you said, it focused on one particular aspect of the story but still managed to involve several of the "heroes" and it resulted in one of the best things I've seen on TV in the last couple years.

Where has THAT Heroes gone?

Give Season 3 some time. I also thought 5 Years Gone was an awesome episode (though some of you guys disagree) and I have no problem watching that multiple times.

[WhiteMosɘs]

Have you guys seen the two new heroes you have to vote between, and one gets on the show? Both of their powers suck. The girl is Audrey, from Paris and her power is speed manipulation, she can speed people up, or slow them down, and uses it to steal. To me this just sounds like slowing or speeding up time.:confusedshrug: Santiago is the guy and he's from Lima, and his power is accelerated probability. Could be ok. I think if anything they should drop a character (like Maya, except shes hot...)

[chains5000]

I don't get how this show is so bad. The writers have decades of comic stories to copy characters and ideas (they already do) but still can't make it work?
I bet you could get some random guys at a comics store and the show would be millions better.

I want 80% of the characters DEAD, how can they that stupid? Hiro's stories are for 8 years old...

[EricGordon23]

I had no problem just thought it was stupid when Angela said sylar was her son.

[Lamar Doom]

If that chick is on life im going to start watching it. Wont be the first time Ive done something like that. IE: I watched Dark Angel

Sarah is a very cool girl. If she's your only motivation for watching the show, that's good enough for me. she's a righteous babe for sure. all the soprano heads should be going nuts, she was the girl from the episode where Tony takes peyote in the desert (chris's ex-girlfriend). She was also in the L-word for those of you who like girl on girl. Cool girl, funny, good to everyone on the crew, easy to root for.


Lamar Doom I love that show...


it is actually a good show. it's a phenomenal show compared to most network episodic drama. much funnier and smarter than most of that formulaic cookie cutter crap. keep watching and try to get your friends/fam/peers into it too- we could use the ratings.



Are you the dude that said he worked on Dexter?

If so why'd you leave? Dexter >>> Life.


first season of Dexter was really great and I had a good time working on the show (second season was a piece of sh*t though, the writing/dialouge was a joke, how annoying is the "rita" character and why do they make jennifer carpenter cry every episode? i thought it was a horrible fall off from the first season, from a viewer's perspective). to answer your question, most of us out here in hollywood move from show to show or film to film w/o much loyalty. if i finish a show in june and i can start a different show in july instead of waiting for the first show to come back 3 months later, i'm gone. that's par for the course and nobody's feelings are hurt. we have some say in where we go because we (the good ones) usually decide from a few choices, but it's not always about how much we like the program, everyone likes working on something they can be proud of but hours, position, location, and other elements all factor into what show we work on. that goes for everyone from directors (most episodic television has a different director each episode) to PAs. if you're choosing from being the camera loader on some HBO show you really believe in or being the camera operator on the new 90210, you're probably gonna take 90210, sadly. it's a strange biz, someday i'll write a big long essay about it for you guys to read (i didn't grow up out here so i have a nice outsider's perspective) but today is not that day.


It's a network tv show vs a cable show that isn't even on basic cable. Careerwise it's a fairly simple decision.

there is no truth to that whatsoever. honestly if i was trying to get my foot into a network's door it would CERTAINLY be HBO or Showtime, they are doing the best stuff and have the most freedom creatively. but unless your'e talking about producing (i'm not a producer) the "network" has very little to do with your job, the pay rates are all very similar (take home can be very different, some shows shoot 12 hour days or less and some shoot a lot more, i was doing 80 hour weeks on the first season of life) because almost every job on a film set is union.


ANYWAYS, DON'T FORGET, MONDAY, LIFE SEASON TWO PREMIER AFTER HEROES!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mathius]

What a terrible 1st episode. Volume 3 should be called "Plotholes".

- Do Peter and Future Peter just forget about all the powers they have? Did he really need to go back for that gun? Was that the only way to kill Nathan or the plot just require Matt to intervene, be sent off somewhere and stall for Nathan's religious epiphany? Why are these characters so stupid?
- Hiro and the speedster. Here is another "hero" who seemingly forgets his powers and is basically an idiot. Why are these characters so stupid?
- Sylar could have taken care of the Claire business instantly without ever getting stabbed or foiled by a chained closet door (OMG!). WHY ARE THESE CHARACTERS SO STUPID?
- More random time traveling to take away the little logic left in this show. Peter, Hiro and all their future and past selves need to be killed off ASAP.

Now time to go torture myself with the 2nd episode. Ugh, how can such an initially interesting and exciting show go so wrong so quickly?

There have been huge plot holes throughout the whole series. If you go back and dig up our Heroes thread from last season, you'll see me *****ing about it then. You pretty much have to just let it go, or stop watching.

In all honesty, I watched the show, but didn't really let it absorb what the impact of all these things were.

You guys need to look at the fact that season 3's theme is "Villians" so there are going to be a lot of people turning bad, look like they're turning bad, etc. This time it's about the bad guys.

What I'm trying to say is I'm looking at it openly without judging the whole season by the first 2 episodes. Overall I thought they were decent, and I'm already into season 3 of this show. I'm not going to write them off with 2 episodes. I didn't think they were all that bad anyways.

Do I have some criticisms? You're damn right I do.

Angela Petrelli really pisses me off. Royally. I wish they'd kill the two-timing nasty ***** off, or else make her the main villian so its clear what her supposed alligences really are.

The whole thing with Suresh pisses me off. They took a humble man, tried to turn him into an aggressive cop like figure, and now turn him into an arrogant mad scientist. The one good thing that came out of that is now that he's turning into some kind of monster, maybe they'll drop the whole idea of giving everyone else powers.

The Nathan Patrelli thing is annoying as well. A vision from God? Lindeman as a ghost? And how did he really come back from the dead?

This whole thing with Nikki/Jessica/and this new chick is stupid. If this really is a new person like Lindeman points out, then its a really stupid way to go with this thing. Why not just let Nikki have survived the fire, and run with it if they insisted on using that actress.

At the end of last season Matt was turning into someone who could really mind-f*ck you. Now he's just been cast aside like a ragdoll.

Why did they completely drop last season's main theme that apparently anyone could come back from the dead with a drop of blood from Claire. We apparently now have 4 invincible entities, Claire, Peter, Sylar, and Adam, plus the fact that at any time, they could apparently bring someone back from the dead... and yet this has hardly come up so far.

BTW, if Sylar manages to cut Peters skull cap off, will he figure out how to just absorb powers instead of having to cut off heads?

Why did they think making the cheerleader into a villian would be a good idea?

But there were some good, or I guess interesting things that happened....

How did Peter get stuffed into that guy's body?

Releasing the level 5 prisoners seems like it will make things interesting, but so far none of them seem to have such terrible powers that they should have been locked up lower than Sylar or Ted.

The speedster chick is interesting... I'm more interested in who her boss is.

Anyways. Watch and see.

Mathius

[RidonKs]

The whole thing with Suresh pisses me off. They took a humble man, tried to turn him into an aggressive cop like figure, and now turn him into an arrogant mad scientist.
Agreed. He and Noah were awesome, because they were down to earth, and actually believable as characters. And I suppose you can say the same for Sylar and Hiro (as annoying as he gets sometimes). There's something wrong with absolutely everyone else though. Some aren't big deals, but it's still a nuisance to have such poorly constructed characters. And the speedster's constant quips don't make her all that interesting either.


Anyways, tonight episode didn't really get anywhere. Sylar completely switches sides, just like that. Kinda annoying. I mean, he stole buddy's power, but before that, he was all for the Company, and was actually sincere in helping Noah. Once again, out of context for the character, and they have officially ruined one of the last remaining consistent characters.

I don't mind the concept for the Linderman/Nathan plot, assuming they're going somewhere specific with it, and it isn't just a random occurrence in Nathan's head with no implications to come of it.

Like Mathius, I'm pissed they've completely forgotten about Matt's mind-****ing abilities. Hell, they've completely forgotten about his telepathic abilities too. Why the hell isn't he reading Isaac Pt 2's mind to find out more answers? And even if this new painter doesn't have any answers (which it doesn't appear that he does), you'd think Matt would at least try.

This new Zimmerman doctor created out of the blue to completely catch us off guard and fear for a character that we literally just met and don't care a lick for seems pretty dumb too. Especially if Nikki's officially dead (I forget if she is or not). Just seems... meh.

Once again, I'll try it again next week. However, it may be my last.

[DeuceWallaces]

Keeps getting worse, and next week looks like it won't be any better. It's sad how quickly this show has gone downhill. It's also almost inconceivable how bad this season is. The character shifts are just totally laughable.

[Rojogaqu11]

Im really into this show. They need to bring the Haitian back. I think the show is getting a little complicated for the average tv show viewer.

[WhiteMosɘs]

Despite the problems, an enjoyable episode tonight. It'll be cool to see Future Peter show Present Peter the future (and hopefully have Future Peter f u ck off). Good little Zimmerman twist, and I hope Parkman starts using those powers again. And how can he use the painting power? I know he was auditioning for the part of Peter, but ... :wtf:

[Mathius]

Agreed. He and Noah were awesome, because they were down to earth, and actually believable as characters. And I suppose you can say the same for Sylar and Hiro (as annoying as he gets sometimes). There's something wrong with absolutely everyone else though. Some aren't big deals, but it's still a nuisance to have such poorly constructed characters. And the speedster's constant quips don't make her all that interesting either.


Honestly, I think you're over analyzing things a bit with that bolded part... I mean stop for 5 minutes and look around you at all the retarded people you meet on a daily basis, and then pretend they had a super power? Yeah, the show is pretty realistic, and the point is they're supposed to be ordinary people. They don't all the sudden get super intelligent the moment they have some special ability.


Anyways, tonight episode didn't really get anywhere.

When was the last time a Heroes episode "got anywhere" ? The writers have a season ending goal in mind, and they plod along slowly to that point, jumping from POV to POV. Many of the episodes are isolated on a certain chain of events they choose to highlight, but for the most part the show has been fairly consistent within those boundaries.


Sylar completely switches sides, just like that. Kinda annoying. I mean, he stole buddy's power, but before that, he was all for the Company, and was actually sincere in helping Noah. Once again, out of context for the character, and they have officially ruined one of the last remaining consistent characters.

I don't know about that. We've seen Sylar pretend to be nice to get what he wants... and he did make a comment to Noah about knowing that he was being toyed with, and just wanting to find out how it would turn out. It totally fits his character. He found something that caught his interest, and puts him in a position to pretty much feast on whatever powers he wants to obtain. And Angela is clearly an enabler. I think it all makes sense. I'm just glad we're finally getting it out of the way that Angela IS evil. If they try to turn it around one more time and act like she turned Sylar loose for some greater good, I'm gonna be pissed. The bi*ch is bad news, and they should stop trying to pretend she isn't.


I don't mind the concept for the Linderman/Nathan plot, assuming they're going somewhere specific with it, and it isn't just a random occurrence in Nathan's head with no implications to come of it.

Well thank God, I don't remember them ever putting together a story arc that didn't have some tie in somewhere else so far. That would be annoying. I still don't like the Nathan story arc though. It doesn't make logical sense. Who brought him back? Who brought Lindeman back? Or is he just mental? Will we find out this is all another dream trap or something else? Didn't Angela Patrelli mention something to Peter about getting his first power from her, that it had something to do with Dreams? Maybe I'm reaching.


Like Mathius, I'm pissed they've completely forgotten about Matt's mind-****ing abilities. Hell, they've completely forgotten about his telepathic abilities too. Why the hell isn't he reading Isaac Pt 2's mind to find out more answers? And even if this new painter doesn't have any answers (which it doesn't appear that he does), you'd think Matt would at least try.

Good point. I was eluding to his abilities to really F with people, like the nightmare thing his dad could do, but I totally never thought about the painter.

The painter's main relevance seems to be that this year's episode is going to be about the implications of saving the future (again). Although interesting, I'm not sure time travel should have ever been introduced into the show.


This new Zimmerman doctor created out of the blue to completely catch us off guard and fear for a character that we literally just met and don't care a lick for seems pretty dumb too. Especially if Nikki's officially dead (I forget if she is or not). Just seems... meh.

Actually I like the Zimmerman character, because it makes me think they had a legitimate reason for this whole crap with this b*tch looking like Nikki. Maybe this chick is the real Jessica? Or maybe Zimmerman has a REALLY cool power. Either way, I'm glad they didn't try to just pass her off as a new character and throw in the Nikki stuff just to be cute.

Strange observation... technically, she never did admit to Mika that she had a power.


Once again, I'll try it again next week. However, it may be my last.

See I don't know why you guys are being so serious as all that that you're going to dump the show. Did things really go so far away from what you pictured that you're unhappy with it? I mean as much as we like to have ideas about shows, they're not OUR creations.

I'm just along for the ride. Every week I want to know how they're going to make it play out. Not sitting there trying to predict which way I want it to go.

I mean this is season 3. I have way too much invested in it to just dump it. If they totally took a turn with the whole point of the show like introducing aliens or something, maybe I'd get pis$ed enough to leave.

I mean I always found x-files interesting the first 2 seasons, but then it all became about aliens, instead of being a bunch of different weird phenomena like bat boy, big foot, etc. A big change in direction like that, where the show ceased to be about different phenomenums and became all about one specific entity, well... that's the sort of dramatic change it would take for me to just give up on Heroes.

I honestly didn't think the first 3 episodes were horrible. There were just some things about it I didn't like.

Mathius

[Mathius]

Despite the problems, an enjoyable episode tonight. It'll be cool to see Future Peter show Present Peter the future (and hopefully have Future Peter f u ck off). Good little Zimmerman twist, and I hope Parkman starts using those powers again. And how can he use the painting power? I know he was auditioning for the part of Peter, but ... :wtf:

<shrug> We don't know for sure that Parkman can use the painting power. They just showed his eyes all weird. It's possible he just enters a trance, much like Isaac and the other painter does. Now that I think about it, I'm curious if Lindeman made any references in the first season to an "indian painter" or something, when he mentioned he was buying up artwork.

Anyways, some other comments about this week:

I'm not sure why they emptied level 5 just to catch or kill off most of them. There is no indication as to whether or not Sylar killed that Fear guy or not, btw, unless I missed seeing them lead him back to his cell. I still think Sylar's just playing along to see where Angela will lead him.

I'm still annoyed that they still want to stuff Claire into a villain role. It's ridiculous. What ever happened to the boy who could fly, btw? I can't remember.

All in all, not a bad episode. Kind've short when you sit back and reflect upon the grand picture, but I guess not all episodes can be 2 hours long :confusedshrug:

Mathius

[RidonKs]

They don't all the sudden get super intelligent the moment they have some special ability.
I don't think you understand me. I don't mean to say they should be without flaws, because that in itself would be a flaw in the characters - being absolutely perfect. What I mean by the characters having something wrong with them is that earlier actions always seem to contradict later ones, just for the purpose of moving along the plot. I'm sure I don't have to name any specific examples for you.


We've seen Sylar pretend to be nice to get what he wants
If Sylar and Angela team up in a sense, with Angela allowing I just didn't think there was enough hints towards Sylar willingly joining for selfish reasons (get more powers). Instead of going along that path, which would've made perfect sense, his acting is completely sincere, and it's supposed to be seen as completely sincere. Then, when he has the chance, he's all "SYLAR IS EVIL AND TAKES POWER" again. It's predictable, but it comes out of the blue in the sense that there are no clues. I'm being nitpicky, but the show gives so much to be nitpicky about.


and he did make a comment to Noah about knowing that he was being toyed with
Didn't Noah make the comment to him, and he was just like "yeah, sure"? Maybe I'm misremembering.

Either way, I'm glad they didn't try to just pass her off as a new character and throw in the Nikki stuff just to be cute.
Well yeah, obviously they had to do something with that. I don't think a writer would ever introduce a new character played by the same actor as a character who just died, and then explained it by citing "coincidence".

I've hated the Nikki/DL/Micah storyline from the beginning though, so maybe that has to do with my feelings. They were always so far away from the rest of the action, and it just felt boring when it cut from an epic Peter/Sylar fight to Nikki going to beat the **** out of some hooligan gangsters.


See I don't know why you guys are being so serious as all that that you're going to dump the show. Did things really go so far away from what you pictured that you're unhappy with it? I mean as much as we like to have ideas about shows, they're not OUR creations.
I put aside time from my school work to watch the episodes. I barely watch TV other than basketball, Stewart/Colbert, and Seinfeld re-runs. I don't feel like giving an hour away to a show that kind of sucks.

But yeah, to answer your question the show did go far away from what I pictured. What I had pictured was more episodes like Season 1, which was freakin' awesome. The second season was excusable because of the strike. What's going on now just isn't.

And by saying inexcusable, I mean not worthwhile in my mind to continue. Like I've said. But I'm deciding to give it 3-4 episodes to see if it recaptures my interest, and so far, it hasn't.



Edit: Claire's biological mother instantly knowing exactly why she just wanted to "help people" was another annoying bit of dialogue. Small, but frustrating.

["Jesus"]

Good reads ^.

I'm pretty skeptical about the whole thing about Claire too. Did he not fly away and never return again?:banana:

It's interesting to see what the CD player actually is because only then did Parkman fall into the trance..?

I was thinking, if Sylar's mother was really Angela, then wouldn't Nathan, Peter and Sylar all be brothers? Then wouldn't that mean Sylar cut her niece's head open to take her power?

Next thing you know it, Mohinder is Maya's father.

[RidonKs]

Next thing you know it, Mohinder is Maya's father.
Now that would spice things up.

[WhiteMosɘs]

Edit.

[NastaMaverick]

Can someone give me a link to watch the last episode?

[WhiteMosɘs]

I'm not sure why they emptied level 5 just to catch or kill off most of them. There is no indication as to whether or not Sylar killed that Fear guy or not, btw, unless I missed seeing them lead him back to his cell. I still think Sylar's just playing along to see where Angela will lead him.

I thought I remember them saying over a dozen villains escaped...I could be wrong. Knox (the fear guy) escaped while Sylar was killing Jesse.


When was the last time a Heroes episode "got anywhere" ? The writers have a season ending goal in mind, and they plod along slowly to that point, jumping from POV to POV. Many of the episodes are isolated on a certain chain of events they choose to highlight, but for the most part the show has been fairly consistent within those boundaries.

That's a good point, but in terms of the show, I think a lot went down last episode.

I always read the IGN review after an episode, and they made a pretty good point that maybe not showing us Present Peter and then showing Jesse as a reflection constantly would have made Future Peter's shoving of Present Peter out of Jesse's body much more dramatic.

I didn't like the Claire in the box with her mom scene. Seems to me the only point was to show Hayden Panetierre really sweaty, with severe boobage:oldlol:.

I'm too lazy to look for a quote, but people saying that was against Sylar's character to go along on the mission seems wrong to me. He loves to show off his powers, which he clearly did with the "silver-tongued" thing, and it was an excellent chance to amass more power.


Well thank God, I don't remember them ever putting together a story arc that didn't have some tie in somewhere else so far. That would be annoying. I still don't like the Nathan story arc though. It doesn't make logical sense. Who brought him back? Who brought Lindeman back? Or is he just mental? Will we find out this is all another dream trap or something else? Didn't Angela Patrelli mention something to Peter about getting his first power from her, that it had something to do with Dreams? Maybe I'm reaching.

Angela's power is seeing the future in her dreams. Peter did it in the first season when he dreamed of flying.

[WhiteMosɘs]

Heroes Question

When Present Peter is around Future Peter, why doesn't he absorb the powers Future Peter has that Present Peter doesn't have? Am I forgetting that this has already been addressed or something?

[Qwyjibo]

Heroes Question

When Present Peter is around Future Peter, why doesn't he absorb the powers Future Peter has that Present Peter doesn't have? Am I forgetting that this has already been addressed or something?

Heroes' writers: "Because he just doesn't. Don't ask why, we have no clue either."

[Randy]

This show was great. Now it's merely laughable. Another painter? Another future disaster that must involve confusing and cardboard time travel? Why does Claire's dad just leave a box of EXTREMELY confidential files just sitting out?

Sylar is (was? looks like he's baking cookies newt ep. yay.) one of the most evil characters on TV but all apparently it only takes 3 minutes of screen time to change that :rolleyes: Great.

Another Ali Larter character? :rolleyes: Will Micah just die already. Please?


And for god sakes, STOP POINTING GUNS AT PETER PETRELLI. THERE IS NO WAY TO HURT HIM. HE IS MORE POWERFUL THAN GOD. STOP TREATING YOUR AUDIENCE LIKE RETARDED CHILDREN.

[run&gun]

This show was great. Now it's merely laughable. Another painter? Another future disaster that must involve confusing and cardboard time travel? Why does Claire's dad just leave a box of EXTREMELY confidential files just sitting out?

Sylar is (was? looks like he's baking cookies newt ep. yay.) one of the most evil characters on TV but all apparently it only takes 3 minutes of screen time to change that :rolleyes: Great.

Another Ali Larter character? :rolleyes: Will Micah just die already. Please?


And for god sakes, STOP POINTING GUNS AT PETER PETRELLI. THERE IS NO WAY TO HURT HIM. HE IS MORE POWERFUL THAN GOD. STOP TREATING YOUR AUDIENCE LIKE RETARDED CHILDREN.

What do you think was awesome in season 1 that made it great, and now has severely changed?

[Rameek]

This show was great. Now it's merely laughable.
I agree:cheers:

[2LeTTeRS]

If Sylar and Angela team up in a sense, with Angela allowing I just didn't think there was enough hints towards Sylar willingly joining for selfish reasons (get more powers). Instead of going along that path, which would've made perfect sense, his acting is completely sincere, and it's supposed to be seen as completely sincere. Then, when he has the chance, he's all "SYLAR IS EVIL AND TAKES POWER" again. It's predictable, but it comes out of the blue in the sense that there are no clues. I'm being nitpicky, but the show gives so much to be nitpicky about.

I disagree, I think it fits perfectly with Sylar's character. Didn't the episode begin with Angela basically feeding Sylar a woman who had the ability to know the history of anything she touches? It seems like both of them want Sylar to continue getting more powerful, probably for an ultimate battle with Peter who in the 1st episode she claims ruined the future.

I see a lot of you guys are down on the show but I'm still into it. There have been a few plot holes but thats to be expected on a show with this many characters.

[tontoz]

I'm too lazy to look for a quote, but people saying that was against Sylar's character to go along on the mission seems wrong to me. He loves to show off his powers, which he clearly did with the "silver-tongued" thing, and it was an excellent chance to amass more power.


Seriously. He acted the part of the nice guy when he accompanied Mohinder to visit the lady with the super hearing, then he killed her. He acted the part of the nice guy when he accompanied the babe and her brother from Mexico, then he killed the brother. He acted the part of the nice guy worker at the paper plant so he could fool Noahs wife and wait for Claire to show up at the house.

What Sylar did in this past episode is perfectly in keeping with his character. Also keep in mind that he hasn't killed many (if any, i can't remember) people other than his mother who didn't have powers. They might be trying to say that his killer instinct only kicks in because of his hunger for more power.

And lets not forget that the Company can be seen as good or bad depending on your point of view. Mohinder and Noah have worked for them and against them.

[RidonKs]

Didn't the episode begin with Angela basically feeding Sylar a woman who had the ability to know the history of anything she touches?
I must have missed that part, although I didn't think I started watching that late into the show. That would make for a substantial change in my views though.

Anyways, I understand Sylar is a power-obsessed creature, but my main problem is that he was shown as completely sincere in his efforts to "join the force". Unless the above quote is true, in which case it does change a lot. But the point is that in every other situation where Sylar turns good to gain more power, the reason why he's doing it is, and is shown to be in the episode, very obvious. Which is good, because it prevents complete 180's like the writers of Heroes are fond of throwing in there. In this most recent case, he comes off as a boy scout until the last second, when he's just like "ah well, time to be evil again" and then he cuts open Jessie.

It's just very meh writing to me.

[tontoz]

I must have missed that part, although I didn't think I started watching that late into the show. That would make for a substantial change in my views though.



it happened at the end of the previous episode. Angela introduced them and said she would "feed" Sylar then she walked away as Sylar killed her. In the middle of this past episode you see them carrying away the girls covered body while Angela is standing there completely indifferent.

I took it as Angela using the girl as a sacrificial lamb to try to gain Sylar's trust.

[chains5000]

Heroes Question

When Present Peter is around Future Peter, why doesn't he absorb the powers Future Peter has that Present Peter doesn't have? Am I forgetting that this has already been addressed or something?
Because he's an ***hole. I want him dead since season 1.

[Mathius]

I thought I remember them saying over a dozen villains escaped...I could be wrong. Knox (the fear guy) escaped while Sylar was killing Jesse.

I think you're right, if they didn't say a dozen, they said half dozen, but they only focused on those 4 characters, and then they got nipped off pretty quick.

You might be right about the Fear guy as well, but I thought Sylar pretty much had them both under control with the whole telekinesis thing. Which makes me wonder if he didn't go after the Fear's brain as well.

I want to touch on one more thing about this scene, but I'll address it below...



That's a good point, but in terms of the show, I think a lot went down last episode.

I always read the IGN review after an episode, and they made a pretty good point that maybe not showing us Present Peter and then showing Jesse as a reflection constantly would have made Future Peter's shoving of Present Peter out of Jesse's body much more dramatic.

Yeah, if we didn't know Peter was in there, it would have been more dramatic, but they would have to have presented a lot of things differently. Perhaps make Jessie the dominant personality, with various "visitations" by Peter, without actually mentioning his name. So we know something is up, but not what. Having Jessie screaming in the cell, "I'm really Peter!" kind've ruined any attempts at dramatization after that.


I didn't like the Claire in the box with her mom scene. Seems to me the only point was to show Hayden Panetierre really sweaty, with severe boobage:oldlol:.

I don't know, I think it kind've gives more credibility to Claire's mom's character. She made a brief cameo in her trailer park episode, but beyond that, we haven't heard from her. It was nice to see she isn't just some flaming chick, but actually has a lot of perception.

But of course the main point wasn't just to show Hayden's **** (which was nice). The real point of that little scene was to develop the little conflict between Claire's real mom and Mrs. Bennett, which will no doubt get uglier in the next episode now that Claire's skipped town.


I'm too lazy to look for a quote, but people saying that was against Sylar's character to go along on the mission seems wrong to me. He loves to show off his powers, which he clearly did with the "silver-tongued" thing, and it was an excellent chance to amass more power.

I agree. I read the other posts, and Ridonks missed the whole thing with Angela giving up a super hero to 'feed' Sylar, so he's out of the loop, but the main thing is this:

We have NEVER been privy to Sylar's motives. So anything he does should be considered in character, because we've seen him try to be a villain and try to be a good guy, and sometimes just ignore everything and be analytical.

Afterall, he may not have been able to kill Claire, but he certainly could have made things hard for her (like with Adam)


Angela's power is seeing the future in her dreams. Peter did it in the first season when he dreamed of flying.

I thought that had some ties to that guy that died? The whole dream thing.... The one that Peter was acting as an intern for, or a nurse or something.. in season 1?

Anyways, it wouldn't be the first time a character's powers were more than they seemed, but I didn't really think Angela was doing any dream things, just throwing that out as an option.

I don't think its likely.

Mathius

[Mathius]

I disagree, I think it fits perfectly with Sylar's character. Didn't the episode begin with Angela basically feeding Sylar a woman who had the ability to know the history of anything she touches? It seems like both of them want Sylar to continue getting more powerful, probably for an ultimate battle with Peter who in the 1st episode she claims ruined the future.

Yeah... which now since we know what he actually does with the brain (analyze it)... well its the other thing I wanted to bring up from my previous post. How awkward was it when Sylar cut open Jessie's head, and then he just starts analyzing the brain real slow and methodically while the entire PD and Bennett just have to stand and watch. :oldlol:


I see a lot of you guys are down on the show but I'm still into it. There have been a few plot holes but thats to be expected on a show with this many characters.

Agreed. There were TONS of flaws and continuation errors in season 1. Why would you expect that to change? The show has so many characters now and they're constantly bringing them back from the dead and crap like that.

Mathius

[Lamar Doom]

did you guys watch Life after Heroes monday? it's on after heroes next monday too. (then it goes back to it's friday time slot to make room for the christian slater show)(it's on this friday too if you want to check it out)

[Mathius]

did you guys watch Life after Heroes monday? it's on after heroes next monday too. (then it goes back to it's friday time slot to make room for the christian slater show)(it's on this friday too if you want to check it out)

NO. Quit hijacking the thread. There is already a Life thread.

Mathius

[Lamar Doom]

NO. Quit hijacking the thread. There is already a Life thread.

Mathius


they're adjacent shows for two weeks. how about f*ck you sh*thead

["Jesus"]

they're adjacent shows for two weeks. how about f*ck you sh*thead
:violin:

Read the thread title.

[Lamar Doom]

:violin:

Read the thread title.

same could be said to the 20 posts regarding episode 3. asking people discussing a show at 9 o'clock if they watched a show at 10 o'clock is really a message board crime? play that violin right up your ass.

[WhiteMosɘs]

NO. Quit hijacking the thread. There is already a Life thread.

Mathius

Agreed. Life seems decent, but you're just spamming.


I thought that had some ties to that guy that died? The whole dream thing.... The one that Peter was acting as an intern for, or a nurse or something.. in season 1?

Anyways, it wouldn't be the first time a character's powers were more than they seemed, but I didn't really think Angela was doing any dream things, just throwing that out as an option.

I don't think its likely.

Mathius

You don't think her having the dream power is likely? They showed a dream future thing with Adam, Maury, Niki (what's her name now?) and I think Knox, and I'm pretty sure they said it was Angela's dream.

But then again, I remember Charles (not sure if that's his name, the guy Peter was taking care of) visit him in his dreams...I'm confused. But I'm pretty sure Angela's power is dreams.

[Mathius]

Agreed. Life seems decent, but you're just spamming.



You don't think her having the dream power is likely? They showed a dream future thing with Adam, Maury, Niki (what's her name now?) and I think Knox, and I'm pretty sure they said it was Angela's dream.

But then again, I remember Charles (not sure if that's his name, the guy Peter was taking care of) visit him in his dreams...I'm confused. But I'm pretty sure Angela's power is dreams.

No, I'm sure she has the dream power, she can dream the future... She said so in the show. But what I'm saying is, there could possibly be more to it than that.

I brought up Charles, because you made a reference to Peter's dream powers in season 1, and I'm fairly sure those were because of Charles, not because of Angela.

Unless she can do something we haven't learned about yet, she can strictly tell the future from dreams, she can't actually manipulate them or show up in them like Charles power. Although to be fair, at no point has the show ever been clear on the limitations of anyones powers. A lot is taken on assumption.

Mathius

[WhiteMosɘs]

No, I'm sure she has the dream power, she can dream the future... She said so in the show. But what I'm saying is, there could possibly be more to it than that.

I brought up Charles, because you made a reference to Peter's dream powers in season 1, and I'm fairly sure those were because of Charles, not because of Angela.

Unless she can do something we haven't learned about yet, she can strictly tell the future from dreams, she can't actually manipulate them or show up in them like Charles power. Although to be fair, at no point has the show ever been clear on the limitations of anyones powers. A lot is taken on assumption.

Mathius

I think it's on the Wiki page that his first power was from her. That page can be edited but that's what it says.

[Mathius]

I think it's on the Wiki page that his first power was from her. That page can be edited but that's what it says.

Not to be a d*ck, but I don't care what the wiki page says. When he visited Charles in that episode it was mentioned that Charles had those powers to visit in dreams.

Mathius

[Mathius]

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41NQYNeZGWL._SS500_.jpg

Just finished reading this. It was actually a very good read. It filled in a few blanks as well.

It always bothered me that Hiro went from speaking broken english and having Andro translate to being fluent in it and the show never showed specifically where he learned it. I always assumed he used the time travel thing or stop time thing to make time to learn it. Now I know for certain Charlie taught it to him.

I was also always wondering about the ending of that Charlie episode... they really left you leaving with the feeling that Sylar didn't get to Charlie, but she died of a brain aneurism (sp?) anyways.

The book is still a little vague on this, but the important fact is, in the book it explains specifically that when Hiro returned to join Andro, it was the day AFTER Charlie was murdered. So you're left with the assumption that she was killed by Sylar and he did indeed take her powers. I won't give away any more of the ending than that, but it was a pretty good read.

It really wasn't what I expected though. I expected more of something along the lines of Hiro and Charlie traveling around, him showing her the world until he realized she was going to die anyhow, but it really didn't happen that way.

Mathius

[WhiteMosɘs]

Episode in 30 minutes. I'm excited.:rockon:

[NastaMaverick]

Episode in 30 minutes. I'm excited.:rockon:
Just got done watching it about 1 and a half hours ago

[WhiteMosɘs]

Just got done watching it about 1 and a half hours ago

Don't spoil please. In a single word, good or bad?

[NastaMaverick]

Don't spoil please. In a single word, good or bad?
lol uhm, kinda slow.

[WhiteMosɘs]

lol uhm, kinda slow.

Poopie.

[NastaMaverick]

Poopie.
lol ya...kinda disappointing.

[WhiteMosɘs]

That was some poor acting in the Peter & Peter convos.

[NastaMaverick]

That was some poor acting in the Peter & Peter convos.
I completely agree. I was thinking the same thing.

[WhiteMosɘs]

I didn't think that episode was slow at all. It was quite fast-paced, which has been a serious positive through these initial episodes. Again, Peter should've just destroyed the gun in Claire's hand with his mind.

[DeuceWallaces]

With the exception of whoever plays Psyler, the actors playing Peter, Claire, etc. are terrible handling the switch to "bad." I thought this weeks episode was a little better.

[NastaMaverick]

Ok maybe slow wasnt the right word but w.e. I also think its dumb having 3 timelines going on at the same time.

[nicknamefrank]

Ok maybe slow wasnt the right word but w.e. I also think its dumb having 3 timelines going on at the same time.

completely agree, 2 timelines occasionally is more than enough. 3 just makes it confusing, considering travelling in time is already confusing.

["Jesus"]

I don't get:
Why Peter has to get Sylar's ability by fixing a clock, isn't Peter's powers taking other's people's abilities when he's near them? Wouldn't that mean that Peter already has Sylar's power?

Why the hell does Peter have to open Nathan's head when he already has the flight ability. I get why the **** about hunger for more, but....:wtf:

[out|hoops|side]

That was confusing, you never knew what was going on.

[steve]

With the exception of whoever plays Psyler, the actors playing Peter, Claire, etc. are terrible handling the switch to "bad." I thought this weeks episode was a little better.
Yeah, I'm glad you put that in quotations because their "bad" personas aren't really that different from how they are normally.

[WhiteMosɘs]

I don't get:
Why Peter has to get Sylar's ability by fixing a clock, isn't Peter's powers taking other's people's abilities when he's near them? Wouldn't that mean that Peter already has Sylar's power?

Why the hell does Peter have to open Nathan's head when he already has the flight ability. I get why the **** about hunger for more, but....:wtf:

Yeah, I was like :wtf: with the opening the head thing. And why didn't Peter just break Claire's gun when she was threatening the boy. :banghead:

[Mathius]

I don't get:
Why Peter has to get Sylar's ability by fixing a clock, isn't Peter's powers taking other's people's abilities when he's near them? Wouldn't that mean that Peter already has Sylar's power?

Why the hell does Peter have to open Nathan's head when he already has the flight ability. I get why the **** about hunger for more, but....:wtf:

You're missing the point.... Peter does absorb abilities when he's near others, but if he doesn't know about them or understand how they work, he can't use them. That was the whole point of the thing with the clock. Once Syler got him to use the power to figure out how to fix the clock, it 'unlocked' his ability. Sylar understood that more than anyone because of his gift, because he understands how things work.

I thought the episode was ok, but I had forgotten from last season how long it actually takes for them to resolve anything. Things just keep moving forward, but you're never quite sure what's going on.

Apparently the Fear guy survived the whole Sylar thing in the bank if he was around, but was suddenly stricken with bad dialog. Apparently his new job as a 'good guy' is to just ask people why they're afraid over and over again.

I kind've wish they hadn't bothered to bring the future into this season if they weren't going to bother to explain things. What did Claire mean by "this is my house" or whatever she said? Was that her and Sylar's child? She would really kill her own child?

We still haven't been given a reasonable explanation as to why future Peter doesn't seem to heal right... the whole death thing I could understand, because he can still die unless they remove the bullet, or whatever killed him, he'll still stay "dead". But the scar makes for a totally different question. I refuse to believe for a minute that the writers overlooked that.

So... is Peter now trapped with Sylar? I find it unreasonable to assume that Peter can use his powers in that cell, but Sylar can't. Was giving Peter Sylar's "hunger" the first step to making him a villain?

And I'm so tired of the whole "save the world by making it f*cked up" approach. First it was destroying New York, then it was a virus, now it's apparently giving everyone super powers.

WTF?

I don't know if I should just expect to see episodes of them going about their daily lives trying to figure things out, or them actually focused on saving the world. Either way they seem to screw things up.

Things were better when it was all about confronting Sylar.

But it's still a good show.

So far every super villian except Sylar has been a disappointment. Nightmare man turned out to be a hobo-looking old loser. The lvl 5 escapees all had lame powers and got shut down right away. What's the point?

Even Adam doesn't have any great powers, he's just like Claire.

Mathius