D.Rose A f..............ing bust

[Maniuchi]

I am watching the game againts freaking minnesota and this guy cant do anything , f..............ing paxson another dumb move not picking beasley

[Valliant13]

He hasn't played one regular season game yet...it seems a bit early to write off his career. Maybe give until game three before you ship him off the D-league for the next ten years.

[Mr_Basketball#1]

They knew he wouldn't have a big impact right away. They drafted him based on potential. He's going to be a top 5 point guard in this league in 2-3 years.

[dak121]

I am watching the game againts freaking minnesota and this guy cant do anything , f..............ing paxson another dumb move not picking beasley

Hard to play well when no one on the team can make a shot outside of Gooden. Hughes has already played 30 minutes. No PG is going to play well alongside garbage like that. And for some inexplicable reason Del Negro had Hinrich start, who went through his typical 'fast start then go into a shell and start playing scared' mode.

This team is ****. Paxson definitely has to go. But I'm not seeing anything out of Rose that would make me think that he's playing bad.

Nobody coach + bad team = tough environment for any rookie to play well in. Especially a rookie PG.

[dak121]

They knew he wouldn't have a big impact right away. They drafted him based on potential. He's going to be a top 5 point guard in this league in 2-3 years.

Won't happen unless Paxson is fired. He has made the situation almost impossible for any player to succeed in. Rose is going to have to tough it out and hope someone can come in and fix the mess.

[Da KO King]

They knew he wouldn't have a big impact right away. They drafted him based on potential. He's going to be a top 5 point guard in this league in 2-3 years.
You HOPE he's going to be. To act as though it is a certainty is foolish. Especially considering the skills Derrick Rose lacks.

[Mr_Basketball#1]

You HOPE he's going to be. To act as though it is a certainty is foolish. Especially considering the skills Derrick Rose lacks.
yeah maybe that was a little premature of me to say, but I just feel with the skills he possesses such as his speed and explosiveness, that he will be a top 5 point guard in this league.

[Jordan80]

Honestly I was never that impressed with him in college. He has an awkward style of play and can't shoot. Hopefully he'll become an all-star though because the fans of Chicago deserve it.

[RoseCity07]

What's top 5 PG going to mean in the coming years after Nash and Kidd are retired. You have CP3 and Deron at the top, and then who is Rose beating out? Devin Harris? Baron Davis?

Derrick Rose could be very good but it was just a dumb choice for Chicago unless they are going to go after a PF or Center in the coming drafts. I think they will be in the lottery next year.

[DuMa]

just tuned in... he looks pretty good. awfully dependent on his raw athleticism and speed but he knows how to pass it at least. the bulls will be better off this year if they were a run and gun team. it seems to fit Rose's style better and Chicago's style better too since they dont have a lot of depth at big man size. When Drew Gooden is your only dependable big man scorer, its gonna be whack.

[Younggrease]

yeah maybe that was a little premature of me to say, but I just feel with the skills he possesses such as his speed and explosiveness, that he will be a top 5 point guard in this league.
those are skills, those are athletic attributes

[dak121]

just tuned in... he looks pretty good. awfully dependent on his raw athleticism and speed but he knows how to pass it at least. the bulls will be better off this year if they were a run and gun team. it seems to fit Rose's style better and Chicago's style better too since they dont have a lot of depth at big man size. When Drew Gooden is your only dependable big man scorer, its gonna be whack.

The coaching is awful. I have no clue of what they're trying to do with him. And outside of the Knicks there isn't a worst composition of talent in the NBA. A complete cluster**** of a roster. Even a videogame would have a hard time making it look good.

It's like the post-MJ Krause years have returned. Looks like I'll be watching more college games to see who the Bulls might take high in the draft. Maybe Paxson will bring in someone that can make shots. For once.

[allball]

Derrick Rose is a player. the very first point guards I ever watched were Nate Archibald and Walt Frazier so I've seen a few. This man is a finisher ala Rod Strickland or Baron Davis but with more dynamic athletic ability and a strong passion for the game. I think it's more likely he will be successful than not. he won't be the greatest of jumpshooters but he does have a lot of potential in his mid-range game and he can put go into the chest of much bigger players and finish. I like his chances.

[Da KO King]

yeah maybe that was a little premature of me to say, but I just feel with the skills he possesses such as his speed and explosiveness, that he will be a top 5 point guard in this league.
Speed and explosiveness are physical skills. Physical skills are important but they alone do not guarantee top 5 status. You need refined technical and tactical skills to go along with the physical. Rose at this point does not have the tech and tact skill to go with his athleticism.

At this point looking at Rose as a player and looking at the Bulls current coaching staff I'm skeptical he'll reach the heights many hoped. Unless Vinny Del Negro teaches the pick-n-roll better than he played it Rose is going to fall short of his full potential.

[G-train]

KO King, have you posted which rookies you are impressed with at this point? Because I sense you are not really Rose or Beasley fan, so I am wondering who you do like in the 08 draft class.
Have you discussed in "my views on the game?"

[Samurai Swoosh]

I am watching the game againts freaking minnesota and this guy cant do anything , f..............ing paxson another dumb move not picking beasley
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v496/MitchMatch/hawk.gif

Based off a few preseason games? He played well towards the end of the game, and had a sick layup.

Rose is a project. They drafted him off potential. You didn't know this? His situation is entirely more pressure packed than anyone else in the draft. He's expected to be the best player on the team from the word go, be a young rookie PG leading a team, and developing in the pressure cooker of his hometown. And a big market with alot of expectations. Don't expect this dude to be ROY caliber even if he plays well.

He has alot to learn, he's gonna be a project for the next 2-3 years. But he has the HIGHEST potential of anyone in the draft.

[dak121]

Rose is already the best player on the team based on the few games that I've seen.(maybe Gordon changes that) His athleticism is a huge reason for that, and I don't see why that should be held against him when players like Howard/LeBron started off just as raw.

It just really stinks that he has to succeed in a poisonous situation. Everything about this team is terrible. Confusion everywhere. Coach has no clue. Guys that shouldn't be playing big minutes are. Young players looking like they haven't improved one bit since they were drafted. High paid vets folding under even the slightest bit of pressure.

And Paxson hasn't made a single move except to hire a first-timer head coach, draft a rookie PG, and let the Gordon situation play out to the absolute worst case scenario. Just a horrific job by management. This team is not winning 30 games at this rate.

[TheGreatDeraj]

Give him time to develop. He is playing on a team with arguably the worst talent of anyone in the NBA. Plus he is playing against the hardest competition he has ever faced. In college he played against maybe 1 or 2 NBA quality players a night now he has to play against an entire team of them. PGs have the longest adjustment period from college to NBA so give him a while to adjust before dismissing him as a bust.

[out|hoops|side]

What's top 5 PG going to mean in the coming years after Nash and Kidd are retired. You have CP3 and Deron at the top, and then who is Rose beating out? Devin Harris? Baron Davis?

Derrick Rose could be very good but it was just a dumb choice for Chicago unless they are going to go after a PF or Center in the coming drafts. I think they will be in the lottery next year.

Tony Parker or Gilbert Arenas? Then add Devin Harris, Baron Davis, Mo Williams. You project that over what 2-3 years, you probably have some good company for Derrick Rose to be keeping.
But this is all subjective, so who knows.

[AlThornton]

Who saw that mid air adjustment reverse layup by Rose? That was freakin nasty. Was Jordan like.

His finishing ability around the rim for a PG is insane.

[brandonislegend]

who saw that reverse, omg that was so freaking sick

[oldenpolynice]

Wow, way too early for this. Chill out. Rose will take time. You don't just jump into the NBA at point guard and do great right off the bat. Even guys like Chris Paul went through growing pains.

Same goes for Steve Nash. Same goes for Chauncey Billups.

[baseketball4life]

They knew he wouldn't have a big impact right away. They drafted him based on potential. He's going to be a top 5 point guard in this league in 2-3 years.
eh, 2-3 years seems soon... maybe 4-5?

[2LeTTeRS]

His game has holes in it, but it normally takes point guards a while to get it, it will be a few years beore he should be written off not a few preseason games, or even this year. Look at the progress Mie Conley seems to be making over in Memphis right now. I know CP3 has everybody spoiled, but normally developing takes a while.

[Hans-Wolfe-#-17]

D-Rose will be just fine. He has all the support he needs from his family and the Bulls org.

He will be so much better once he goes through his rookie year. Bet on it.

[brandonislegend]

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/d1/fullj.570d86d0b7e6907afff4afc8bfbb1147/570d86d0b7e6907afff4afc8bfbb1147-getty-83019823jm007_twolves_bulls.jpg

how did he make that seriously

[Vendetta]

Speed and explosiveness are physical skills. Physical skills are important but they alone do not guarantee top 5 status. You need refined technical and tactical skills to go along with the physical. Rose at this point does not have the tech and tact skill to go with his athleticism.

At this point looking at Rose as a player and looking at the Bulls current coaching staff I'm skeptical he'll reach the heights many hoped. Unless Vinny Del Negro teaches the pick-n-roll better than he played it Rose is going to fall short of his full potential.

Did I just read someone say that speed and explosiveness are SKILLS? Hahaha... just when I thought this place couldn't get any dumber. Oh well.

[Figlo]

Derrick Rose & Gooden for Lafrenz, Outlaw & Steve Blake

[2LeTTeRS]

Derrick Rose & Gooden for Lafrenz, Outlaw & Steve Blake

Pease be joking. This new wave of Blazer fans are starting to get annoying.

[chains5000]

Did I just read someone say that speed and explosiveness are SKILLS? Hahaha... just when I thought this place couldn't get any dumber. Oh well.
He said physical skills, what's wrong with that?

[gotbacon23]

What's top 5 PG going to mean in the coming years after Nash and Kidd are retired. You have CP3 and Deron at the top, and then who is Rose beating out? Devin Harris? Baron Davis?

Derrick Rose could be very good but it was just a dumb choice for Chicago unless they are going to go after a PF or Center in the coming drafts. I think they will be in the lottery next year.


after billups, kidd, and nash are gone/have declined other pgs will step up. players i see with a SHOT of being top 5 pgs are:
chris paul
deron williams
derek rose
tony parker
rajon rando
russell westbrook
ricky rubio
brandon jennings
jrue holiday
john wall
patrick mills

a lot of these guys aren't in the league yet so of course i don't know yet, but to call rose a bust already is absurd. he hasn't even played 1 game yet. this year he could struggle, but look at steve nash's numbers in his first few years- he wasn't a double figure scorer until his 5th season in the nba. 1st year point guards tend not to make a HUGE impact with the exception of a few (magic, isiah, paul)

[Phenith]

The Bulls are becoming the guard version of the Hawks SF problem. Everyone was making fun of the Hawks taking so many SFs and the Bulls are doing the same thing with guards. Good or bad, they need to decide who is going to be their back court and move the others.

[Posterize246]

All this hate started from a guy who said he was watching the bulls game and Rose "couldn't do anything" yet he dropped 9 pts and 7 assists on 4-7 shooting off the bench?

[VanillaThunder]

The Bulls are becoming the guard version of the Hawks SF problem. Everyone was making fun of the Hawks taking so many SFs and the Bulls are doing the same thing with guards. Good or bad, they need to decide who is going to be their back court and move the others.

Or the guard version of the Detroit Lions wide receiver problem.. I think they drafted WRs in like 12 drafts in a row heh. THAT paid off!

[hoopaddict08]

Or the guard version of the Detroit Lions wide receiver problem.. I think they drafted WRs in like 12 drafts in a row heh. THAT paid off!

Well they just traded Williams for more picks. That team will be stacked with the best WRs in the league. Which means another 3-13 season.

[Chuck Thou NBA]

Yes lets let one preseason game predict his whole NBA career. :rolleyes:

[jbot]

everybody has bad games, geez. u can't write this kid off so soon but there's bound to be haters towards a high draft pick that's not playing a perfect game every day. :rolleyes:

[Rockets(T-mac)]

I swear people never learn. It is a preseason game, that's it, lets wait a year before we call anyone a bust. Not after 1 preseason game......

Seriously are some of you that dumb? Like the OP said, it's a f...................ing preseason game.

[The_Night_Elf]

I am watching the game againts freaking minnesota and this guy cant do anything , f..............ing paxson another dumb move not picking beasley

Wow. Can you say "Panick Mode"? It's like the fourth game of pre-season and he's not even doing badly. RELAX!

[Hopper15]

Rose is going to be special. I can see the upside, he just needs a season to get his feet wet in this league like Chris Paul.

[Posterize246]

everybody has bad games, geez. u can't write this kid off so soon but there's bound to be haters towards a high draft pick that's not playing a perfect game every day. :rolleyes:
The bad part is he had a decent game!

26 mins
9 pts
4-7 shooting
7 assists

I said before that he could be what Steve Francis used to be. A 20/6/6 kind of guy. The Jason Kidd comparisons that Jay Bilas gave out are probably what have people calling him a bust.

[lilojmayo]

like colin cowherd says if it smells like a duck quacks like a dunk shyts like a duck its a duck.

1 bad games ok 2 bad games ok 3 bad games now its a trend.

Rose has show us nothing in any of his summer league and preseason games, why because that is what he is. ex Darko each year he suxed dic we all saw that and that was what he was, but experts were like give him time.

While Beastley and Mayo and Oden have been doing there things

youll was bashing Mayo after his 5-17 performance then he comes back and goes 6-8 3pt land

Rose high was 14pts then the rest have been around 6-10pts a game and i aint heard shyt about it

[jbot]

The bad part is he had a decent game!

26 mins
9 pts
4-7 shooting
7 assists

I said before that he could be what Steve Francis used to be. A 20/6/6 kind of guy. The Jason Kidd comparisons that Jay Bilas gave out are probably what have people calling him a bust.

yeah, the kidd comparison is way too early to be speaking about. given some time, i think this kid will produce. i think he will become the bulls' leader.

[Samurai Swoosh]

I think he's more Steve Francis like in his prime than Jason Kidd.

[Da KO King]

Did I just read someone say that speed and explosiveness are SKILLS? Hahaha... just when I thought this place couldn't get any dumber. Oh well.
Physical skills... athletic abilities.... poe-tay-toe... poe-tah-toe... toe-may-toe... toe-mah-toe...

Did you not read the entire post or something? How did you not recognize that I broke skills down into three distinct categories?

[lilojmayo]

I think he's more Steve Francis like in his prime than Jason Kidd.

Steve Francis in his prime was a bad man yeah Drose aint no JKidd he like a Unaccomplished Steve Francis skill wise

[rawimpact]

you guys got kwame'd.

[out|hoops|side]

Derrick Rose's career path will in no way resemble Kwame Brown's. He definitely proved himself at the college level, which Kwame never did before the Wizards wasted a pick on him.
That is a ridiculous statement.
I don't see him turning out like Steve Francis either, I think he is smarter than that. He will be, like many have said, a top point guard in this league in 3-5 years.

[ForceOfNature]

The Bulls may have been better going with Beasley, but Rose is certainly not a bust. He hasn't even played a regular season game yet, he'll be a great point guard.

[danumber88]

Not a bust yet -.- One game hasnt even been played yet.. but he wont be a bust, jsut wont be a succesful #1 pick in his first year.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Let's give this kid some time to prove himself. I'm sure he won't be a bust even though he'll never be as good as Beasley. I'd say he'll probably improve into the next Chauncey Billups.

[out|hoops|side]

Let's give this kid some time to prove himself. I'm sure he won't be a bust even though he'll never be as good as Beasley. I'd say he'll probably improve into the next Chauncey Billups.

More athletic and faster, so how about an improved Chauncey Billups if that is the direction you want to take? That actually sounds okay to me, considering how strong he is, but you can't see he has, may never have, as nice a jumper as Billups.

[DeuceWallaces]

More athletic and faster, so how about an improved Chauncey Billups if that is the direction you want to take? That actually sounds okay to me, considering how strong he is, but you can't see he has, may never have, as nice a jumper as Billups.

Improved? So he'll lead Chicago to a championship in 4-5 years, be Finals MVP, get to a second finals, and a 3-4 time all star? That would actually just be mathing Billups. He'd have to win 2 championships, get to another, and be a 4-5 time all star to be an "improved billups."

[out|hoops|side]

Improved? So he'll lead Chicago to a championship in 4-5 years, be Finals MVP, get to a second finals, and a 3-4 time all star? That would actually just be mathing Billups. He'd have to win 2 championships, get to another, and be a 4-5 time all star to be an "improved billups."

In terms of his game, lol. So fast to attack that statement, hey? Like when a scout says, he'll be a poor man's [insert name], that doesn't mean he will achieve half as many or three quarters as many awards or accomplishments that the player gets.
I mean improved Billups because he is more athletic and faster, although with much less of a jumper. Or I could say, "a richer man's Chauncey Billups".

[jaydacris]

he can start with trying to become as good as stuckey for now, focus on the billups part a little later :)

[out|hoops|side]

I'm acting as a "scout" here, I say best case scenario "rich man's Billups".
Which doesn't mean take Chauncey's accomplishments and multiply them by 2 to the power of 3.

[DeuceWallaces]

I'm acting as a "scout" here, I say best case scenario "rich man's Billups".
Which doesn't mean take Chauncey's accomplishments and multiply them by 2 to the power of 3.

The accomplishment of said players should be taken into account. If he's an improved Billups he should be able to improve on Billups' accomplishments.

[G-train]

hmmm Francis is the best comparison to me. Not a bad thing, cos an injury free Francis with a great attitude would have been considered an all time great PG.

[G-train]

Yeah I dont see any comparison with Billups. Except for maybe the time it will take for him to develop.

[Human Error]

Did I just hear people say that Rose is going to be a rich man's Billups? I'm sorry, I see zero similarities between their games. Billups is a great shooter and doesn't rely on athleticism at all while Rose is still all athleticism with very poor shooting ability for a guy of his size. The closest comparison would be Steve Francis, but Francis was more talented coming into the league than Derrick Rose.

[brandonislegend]

old school stephon marbury? when he was sickkk

[allball]

Co-Sign.
Francis, despite his poor shot-selection, was a much better shooter than Rose. Folks are really over looking just how bad a shooter Rose is. When we factor in how many transition buckets Rose got at memphis, and then look at his shooting %, we have to wonder what it woulda been w/o all them layups.

DIfferences:

#1. Billups is taller, and plays much taller.
#2. Billups always had a post game.
#3. Billups was always a GREAT shooter, dating back to 5-star camp.
#4. Billups has always been a smart player.
#5. Billups has always had excellent floor vision and passing.

#6. Rose is much quicker.
#7. Rose can jump much higher.

If I forgot anything, please add.....

since when are quickness and jumping ability a bad thing?

Rose is a better playmaker

Maybe you didnt know Chauncy before he got to Detroit when he had FG PCTs of .374, .382, .422 etc. granted he has always had the long range shot Chauncey has taken his share of bad shots. If Chauncey was directing a less talented squad as the PG he would have a more difficult time as a playmaker. he is not very dynamic in the open court. I've always liked Chauncy but he aint Isiah Thomas.

All the things that are wrong with Rose can be fixed and he can get streaky with his shot. Rose definitely plays bigger than his height and he finishes STRONG. good court vision and capable of being a solid defender. we shall see...

oh as for Francis he had loads of talent but when it comes to basketball IQs, Rose has him totally outclassed.

[out|hoops|side]

How about completely overlooking two glaring similarities between Billups and Rose?

I said rich man's Billups minus the shot is the best case scenario for Rose, read the post properly please. That doesn't mean that is where he is at now.

But, similarities:

Both use superior strength to finish and against other point guards.
Both use their bodies well when playing, to score.

Right now Rose not as good a playmaker or point guard or shooter, but that's why I say best-case scenario rich-man's Billups because Rose could definitely get to that level in 3-5 years.

[beasted86]

When I watch Rose, I just see a slightly quicker version of Devin Harris.

Both have a weak outside game and iffy jumper, but can get into the lane with their quickness and are decent passers. Like I've said before... if they can get Harris type numbers (14PPG, 6AST, 1.2STL, 38%FG, 23%3PT) out of him by the end of this season... thats good enough.

It will give the team options over the summer.

[step_back]

When I watch Rose, I just see a slightly quicker version of Devin Harris.

Both have a weak outside game and iffy jumper, but can get into the lane with their quickness and are decent passers. Like I've said before... if they can get Harris type numbers (14PPG, 6AST, 1.2STL, 38%FG, 23%3PT) out of him by the end of this season... thats good enough.

It will give the team options over the summer.

I think rose will be somewhere around that area in his rookie season, to be frank we suck right now, we don't have a good team period and unless a few big trades go down we won't be good for another few years when bad contracts expire and our younger talent reaches it's so called potential ( I'm still not convinced TT will amount to anything). however with the re-signing of Deng which I am very pleased about and the potential of rose and his work ethic I think we have a good 1-2 punch in the making.

Paxson needs to go, his poor judgement and deccison making completely over shadow his successes. I'm not expecting big things from chicago this year other then Deng and Rose to show that they will lead the team.

[Grinder]

I think of Rose as more of a Starbury with a winner's mentality.

[Samurai Swoosh]

If we had a better team identity, things would be better for Rose's quick development. He adapts to talent levels very quickly. And they have said he's been the best player for the Bulls in camp. Move some of those guards off the roster, and give him more one v one scenarios handling the rock at the top of the key and his numbers will sky rocket. It could be seen at the end of the game against the T-Wolves. He needs some freedom for his style of play. And with all the slew of weak ass forwards, chucking guards (only to get worse with BG) ... everyone stands on the permiter instead of being a man about things and taking the ball to the cup. Rose will provide this but he couldn't, cause when watching the game, the defense is forcing the team to shoot jumpers cause all the other weak ass Bulls players are so willing to do so. There was a help defender on virtually every move Rose made.

[Human Error]

How about completely overlooking two glaring similarities between Billups and Rose?

I said rich man's Billups minus the shot is the best case scenario for Rose, read the post properly please. That doesn't mean that is where he is at now.

But, similarities:

Both use superior strength to finish and against other point guards.
Both use their bodies well when playing, to score.

Right now Rose not as good a playmaker or point guard or shooter, but that's why I say best-case scenario rich-man's Billups because Rose could definitely get to that level in 3-5 years.
Why compare to Billups, whose game isn't similar to Rose at all, when you have much better comparisons in Steve Francis or Devin Harris? Rose's game is based on his athleticism and he's at his best when he pushes the ball, while Billups is a traditional half court point guard who doesn't have any flash in his game. I don't think I've seen worse comparison that yours in a very long time.

[Da KO King]

Derrick Rose will be a stronger less likely to chuck TJ Ford. Drawing a blank on a better player to accurately describe that but.... :confusedshrug:

[1000yearsofPAIN]

If we had a better team identity, things would be better for Rose's quick development. He adapts to talent levels very quickly. And they have said he's been the best player for the Bulls in camp. Move some of those guards off the roster, and give him more one v one scenarios handling the rock at the top of the key and his numbers will sky rocket. It could be seen at the end of the game against the T-Wolves. He needs some freedom for his style of play. And with all the slew of weak ass forwards, chucking guards (only to get worse with BG) ... everyone stands on the permiter instead of being a man about things and taking the ball to the cup. Rose will provide this but he couldn't, cause when watching the game, the defense is forcing the team to shoot jumpers cause all the other weak ass Bulls players are so willing to do so. There was a help defender on virtually every move Rose made.
Not surprising, Luol Deng is the best player on the Bulls and he is a third option at best.

[out|hoops|side]

Why compare to Billups, whose game isn't similar to Rose at all, when you have much better comparisons in Steve Francis or Devin Harris? Rose's game is based on his athleticism and he's at his best when he pushes the ball, while Billups is a traditional half court point guard who doesn't have any flash in his game. I don't think I've seen worse comparison that yours in a very long time.

The comparison is because kiddlovesnets said this:


Let's give this kid some time to prove himself. I'm sure he won't be a bust even though he'll never be as good as Beasley. I'd say he'll probably improve into the next Chauncey Billups.

So I said:


More athletic and faster, so how about an improved Chauncey Billups if that is the direction you want to take? That actually sounds okay to me, considering how strong he is, but you can't see he has, may never have, as nice a jumper as Billups.

Then DeuceWallaces bashed me:


Improved? So he'll lead Chicago to a championship in 4-5 years, be Finals MVP, get to a second finals, and a 3-4 time all star? That would actually just be mathing Billups. He'd have to win 2 championships, get to another, and be a 4-5 time all star to be an "improved billups."

I responded, and started calling him a rich man's Chauncey:


In terms of his game, lol. So fast to attack that statement, hey? Like when a scout says, he'll be a poor man's [insert name], that doesn't mean he will achieve half as many or three quarters as many awards or accomplishments that the player gets.
I mean improved Billups because he is more athletic and faster, although with much less of a jumper. Or I could say, "a richer man's Chauncey Billups".

That is how I just started comparing them, yes I can see he is more like Devin Harris or Stevie Franchise. I was just making a point before and then just started calling him rich man's Billups.
But, their games are some what similar in terms of strength and how they use that strength plus their bodies to their advantage to make plays and to score.

[Godfather]

He is the middle class man's Devin Harris :eek:.

[inclinerator]

i think rose is stronger since he can bench 375 and squat 600

[CelticForce1349]

i think rose is stronger since he can bench 375 and squat 600


What? Where the hell did you get those numbers from?

[mrhoopfan]

Rose will be a bigger Tony Parker...shooting threes as a pg is SO overrated

[mhg88]

What? Where the hell did you get those numbers from?

I'd be interested as well. If true, that's pretty impressive.

[Samurai Swoosh]

Derrick Rose will be a stronger less likely to chuck TJ Ford. Drawing a blank on a better player to accurately describe that but.... :confusedshrug:
Uh no ... just ... no. Your self proclaimed knowledge of the game is just, WOW, LOL ...

[Kblaze8855]

Just looking at him I buy 350/600. Its not an absurd weight for a guy his size and build. Plenty of high school kids can do that. Id be shocked if he maxed out anything under 280 or so.

[Da KO King]

Uh no ... just ... no. Your self proclaimed knowledge of the game is just, WOW, LOL ...
Like I said I'm drawing a blank on a better comparison right now. He doesn't quite have the shooting touch for me to go with "Young Marbury" or "Young Baron". Doesn't have the handle or lack of common sense for me to say "Young Francis". Doesn't have the vision or speedy decision making for me to say Kidd either.

Frankly, TJ Ford is the best I can do right now. I'm sure someone else will come to mind soon enough.

[Kblaze8855]

TJ Ford without the courtvision isnt that bad. TJ in Francis body. He kinda bounces off people and pinballs around like Marbury did though.

[Da KO King]

What I kinda hopes happens with Rose is that some one arraigns for him to spend a week or two in the summer with Jeff Van Gundy. Van Gundy is probably the best pick-n-roll coach in the business right now (only guy even in the conversation with him is Jerry Sloan). If Rose was to work with Van Gundy and get to a level where he can accurately make all the proper reads he'd be a top 5 PG as early as next season.

[J000]

Tonight he played 40+ mins.

4-13 shooting.
11 pts.
3 ast.

:violin:

[ChiBulls7]

Tonight he played 40+ mins.

4-13 shooting.
11 pts.
3 ast.

:violin:


Did you watch the game?

[J000]

Did you watch the game?

I don't need to watch the game, i just looked at the minutes played and his shooting percentage. His ast for a PG is quite low, 2 assist in 40 min.

My initial reaction iz :violin:

[ChiBulls7]

I don't need to watch the game, i just looked at the minutes played and his shooting percentage. His ast for a PG is quite low, 2 assist in 40 min.

My initial reaction iz :violin:



Your right you don't need to watch the game in order to accurately judge a player.

[Luigi]

Tonight he played 40+ mins.

4-13 shooting.
11 pts.
3 ast.

:violin:

And managed to bowen Deron's ankle.
:banghead:

[J000]

Your right you don't need to watch the game in order to accurately judge a player.

Actually you don't.

I havn't watched Bynum last season but judging by his numbers and his minutes played + efficiency. I know he's a good player when given the oppurtunity.

But c'mon..

40+ min and 2 ast for a PG is just disappointing.

[brandonislegend]

Actually you don't.

I havn't watched Bynum last season but judging by his numbers and his minutes played + efficiency. I know he's a good player when given the oppurtunity.

But c'mon..

40+ min and 2 ast for a PG is just disappointing.

your a moron.

[CelticForce1349]

Just looking at him I buy 350/600. Its not an absurd weight for a guy his size and build. Plenty of high school kids can do that. Id be shocked if he maxed out anything under 280 or so.


....................Man....................are you freaking kidding?

Do you know how hard it is to squat 600 pounds? If the Bulls even let Derrick attempt such a thing they should lose custody of Rose. Let him become a part of the free agents list until he finds a family that can care for him and raise him right.

Ben Wallace probally doesn't squat 600 pounds. Derrick Rose? Let me be clear, we are not talking about leg presses here, we are talking about squats.

I wont believe such a thing until I see Rose do it with my own eyes.

[ChiBulls7]

Actually you don't.

I havn't watched Bynum last season but judging by his numbers and his minutes played + efficiency. I know he's a good player when given the oppurtunity.

But c'mon..

40+ min and 2 ast for a PG is just disappointing.



Try watching a ****ing game, you'll notice a ton of things that stats don't tell. I can't believe this needs to be told to a basketball fan posting on a basketball forum.
Your posts.... very disappointing. :violin:

[Manute for Ever!]

Actually you don't.

I havn't watched Bynum last season but judging by his numbers and his minutes played + efficiency. I know he's a good player when given the oppurtunity.

But c'mon..

40+ min and 2 ast for a PG is just disappointing.

http://dontdatethatdude.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/idiot2.jpg

[out|hoops|side]

http://dontdatethatdude.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/idiot2.jpg

Lol :oldlol: , that is amusing and true about this J000 character. It seems him and 1000yearsofPAIN might be the same person.

[Manute for Ever!]

It seems him and 1000yearsofPAIN might be the same person.

I was thinking that, too.

[Mamba]

its true though stats don't tell everything u watch ben wallace play? he doesn't get the best stats but he changes the game alot. same with andrei kerilenko.

now i haven't seen drose play but stats don't tell everything.

[InspiredLebowski]

your a moron.

never fails

[out|hoops|side]

your a moron

never fails
...ever

[Undisputed]

Can't blame Derrick alone for his stats. Everyone was clanking shots tonight. You can not get an assist unless the person you pass it to makes their shot. Was any of the trash talkers watching the game?!

This team is in flux, Rose is a YOUNG rookie. Put this guy on a team like the Celtics and he'd have a 14pts/8assists kind of rookie season. Give him time. This team needs to learn how to play with a passer like Rose. Vinny needs to figure out how to utilize his qualities, unfortunately the Bulls coach is a rookie too.

These guys need to stop fouling anytime someone slashes to the basket, that's a terrible habit that will lead to a really ****ty year.

[Kblaze8855]

....................Man....................are you freaking kidding?

Do you know how hard it is to squat 600 pounds? If the Bulls even let Derrick attempt such a thing they should lose custody of Rose. Let him become a part of the free agents list until he finds a family that can care for him and raise him right.

Ben Wallace probally doesn't squat 600 pounds. Derrick Rose? Let me be clear, we are not talking about leg presses here, we are talking about squats.

I wont believe such a thing until I see Rose do it with my own eyes.

Well I cant say iots easy since I cant do it but I have ****ty technique squatting so I cant do much of anything on it. I cant make myself even try to lift much with that much on my neck. feels dangerous. On the machines maybe but free? I cant even begin to approach high numbers, I have known people not much bigger than Rose in the 500 range though. I have a hard time judging squat numbers though because as I said its not something I do...at all. But its not a high enough number that I dismiss it the moment I hear it. It is more of a football player number though. Ladanian Tomlinson is said to squat over 600. The bench though? I buy him benching 350 no problem.

[J000]

your a moron.

Your the f*cking moron. Your trying to save this kid.. what dont you understand?

40 minutes.

I dont care what he did in game thats fourty minutes of nothing. He the number oen pick and should perform alot better for forty minutes but shoot 3/14?

Yeah..Yeah.. i've seen him play he's fast.. but hes not using it for 40 minutes all he did was chuck basically judging by the stats.


u watch ben wallace play?

:lol Stats dont tell :no:

You mean to tell me his stats are sh*t but have you seen him play?
Yes I've seen him play he is sh*t

Ben Wallace sucks today and you know it, he's not the same person he was back in Detroit where he was much better defensively.

Back in his Piston days you could tell he was performing

You could tell this guy is performing with 12 + rebounds per game and 2-3 blocks per game.


your a moron.

Btw, your the moron for not putting any input :violin:

[allball]

Your the f*cking moron. Your trying to save this kid.. what dont you understand?

40 minutes.

I dont care what he did in game thats fourty minutes of nothing. He the number oen pick and should perform alot better for forty minutes but shoot 3/14?

Yeah..Yeah.. i've seen him play he's fast.. but hes not using it for 40 minutes all he did was chuck basically judging by the stats.



:lol Stats dont tell :no:

You mean to tell me his stats are sh*t but have you seen him play?
Yes I've seen him play he is sh*t

Ben Wallace sucks today and you know it, he's not the same person he was back in Detroit where he was much better defensively.

Back in his Piston days you could tell he was performing

You could tell this guy is performing with 12 + rebounds per game and 2-3 blocks per game.



Btw, your the moron for not putting any input :violin:

u should have watched the game. he had about 4 shots go in and out. put your name on the list of those who will be eating crow in the near future. before last night he was shooting around 50% for the pre-season. this guy will dominate his opponents.

[J000]

u should have watched the game. he had about 4 shots go in and out. put your name on the list of those who will be eating crow in the near future. before last night he was shooting around 50% for the pre-season. this guy will dominate his opponents.

When did I say hes going to be a fail? I knew he shot 50% the other night
All I said was


Tonight he played 40+ mins.

4-13 shooting.
11 pts.
3 ast.

Meaning he had a bad night.. and pathetic shooting %
people are saying I didn't watch the game, I don't need too just looking at this pathetic stat line.

[NuggetsFan]

When did I say hes going to be a fail? I knew he shot 50% the other night
All I said was



Meaning he had a bad night.. and pathetic shooting %
people are saying I didn't watch the game, I don't need too just looking at this pathetic stat line.


So basically you just look at boxscores and base your opinion on that? you must watch the game to give full detail, Its alright to say he had a bad game but basically over the last 3 posts you made, you have said that you dont need to watch a game to see if someone is good witch is pathetic

[J000]

So basically you just look at boxscores and base your opinion on that? you must watch the game to give full detail, Its alright to say he had a bad game but basically over the last 3 posts you made, you have said that you dont need to watch a game to see if someone is good witch is pathetic

I said I never watched THIS GAME. For the love of buddah..

I basically just said he had a bad game looking at his pathetic stats.

I watched his other games I know how he plays, I just never watched this one. I happen to look at the box score and played 40+ minutes. He just had a bad game dats all I'm saying.

[Nets fan 93]

All i gotta say is Miami got lucky

[NuggetsFan]

I said I never watched THIS GAME. For the love of buddah..

I basically just said he had a bad game looking at his pathetic stats.

I watched his other games I know how he plays, I just never watched this one. I happen to look at the box score and played 40+ minutes. He just had a bad game dats all I'm saying.

Alright my mistake, I just hate when people judge players by there numbers alone rather then watching them play and looking at there numbers instead

[allball]

When did I say hes going to be a fail? I knew he shot 50% the other night
All I said was



Meaning he had a bad night.. and pathetic shooting %
people are saying I didn't watch the game, I don't need too just looking at this pathetic stat line.

I'm sorry. I think I quoted the wrong guy. iwas talking about the guy babbling about a #1 pick going 3/14. my bad.

[Russian Rocket]

In Soviet Russia, D.Rose bust you!

[Russian Rocket]

shouldn't you be sucking off yaroslav korolev

In Soviet Russia, Yaroslav Korolev suck you!

rep plz

[Kblaze8855]

Meaning he had a bad night.. and pathetic shooting %
people are saying I didn't watch the game, I don't need too just looking at this pathetic stat line.


Nah...he really didnt play too poorly on offense. He sucked defending screens but even that he made up for being athletic as hell a couple times. Highlight block or two. He did have some shots miss that normally wont. Missed layup. They counted a buzzer beater at the half and then took it off. He made some crazy moves getting int othe lane...nice hesitation...crossover or two. Some of them he then kicked out to open guys who missed. IT was a better game than most of his others and hed been shooting 50 percent till now. It wasnt a bad game at all.

[Reverend Hoops]

I saw the game last night and I was impressed. I mean sure he had problems finishing, but he could practically drive where he wanted when he wanted. The finishing part will come after time he is still very young.

[Samurai Swoosh]

He got to the hoop whenever he wanted, his movements and mannerisms are indiciations whether he will be a good player or not. And he will be a good player. He's steadily got more and more confidence over the preseason games. Like I said, the Bulls need to have the ball in his hands and let him create. Red Kerr emphasized this last night as well. Being the Bulls have so many soft jump shooters they stay out around the permiter trying to find an open jumper, and would pass the ball to Rose when he wasn't in a position to attack. As you could see numerous times last night, when you let Rose create off the dribble he's very effective. Super athletic, and can play above the rim. He'll start finishing plays. I remember the first few games of him on Memphis last year, and he had trouble finishing as well. I think because he was nervous. But by the end of the year, by the time he adapted and gained confidence, he was finishing with authority.

[Rosewood]

*bookmarks thread to laugh at idiots later*

[rawimpact]

In Soviet Russia, D.Rose bust you!

In the United States, Soviet Russia wants to suck you (and wants the surveyer probes eh?)

[Rosewood]

*bookmarks thread to laugh at idiots later*


:oldlol: this is jus the beginning of the laughter

[Undisputed]

*bookmarks thread to laugh at idiots later*


:oldlol: this is jus the beginning of the laughter

:lol :lol

Gotta love that.

[mjbulls23]

:oldlol: this is jus the beginning of the laughter

just wait till the end of the season :oldlol:

[ChiBulls7]

to all the haters.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM2Iel1pM9A&eurl=http://sharapovasthigh.blogspot.com/2008/10/derrick-rose-man-crush.html

[Mamba]

magic johnson at the age of 50 would kill this guy.

[tgan3]

I am watching the game againts freaking minnesota and this guy cant do anything , f..............ing paxson another dumb move not picking beasley

he scored 30 against dallas. dont judge him too early. he'll be great.

[1000yearsofPAIN]

he scored 30 against dallas. dont judge him too early. he'll be great.
No he won't, he's like the Tyrus Thomas of PGs, athletic freak with no skill and bad B-ball IQ. He is teh SUXORS, can't even hit freethrows better than Shaq, that's how little skill he has.