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IN-PAX-WE-TRUST
10-20-2008, 03:37 AM
I figured I would make a thread for all general discussion of Rose and his performance in 2009...

IN-PAX-WE-TRUST
10-21-2008, 10:21 PM
WOW... I think we all just saw why Rose went #1...

trig
10-21-2008, 11:02 PM
is anybody watching rose taking over the game?

Vinny finally realized that he doesnt have to use the pick and roll all the time and gave the go signal to rose to just attack. The whole mavs knows he's gonna attack but he's unstopable(atleast in this game)

Undisputed
10-21-2008, 11:06 PM
is anybody watching rose taking over the game?

Vinny finally realized that he doesnt have to use the pick and roll all the time and gave the go signal to rose to just attack. The whole mavs knows he's gonna attack but he's unstopable(atleast in this game)

I'm watching....and I am nearly falling off my seat. 30pts, single handed take over by Rose to win this game. What a performance, wow.

Crazy Style
10-21-2008, 11:20 PM
What a good thread! I just watched the Bulls make an impressive comeback against the Mavs thanks in large part to Rose winning 109-105. They were down by 16 going into the 4th quarter and I think they were down by 23 at one point, but when the final quarter came it all changed. Rose exploded in the game and showed how to be a leader and player that can take over the game. He went 13-18 30 points and 7 assists and was the obvious player of the game making great decisions when it matered. Watching such a great performance by Rose and the team at the end makes me very happy despite it being only a preseason game. Go Bulls!:rockon:

CelticForce1349
10-22-2008, 12:33 AM
Wow! I am very glad to hear this good news. 30 points? Yikes!

Can anyone give more details, please?

Undisputed
10-22-2008, 01:45 AM
Wow! I am very glad to hear this good news. 30 points? Yikes!

Can anyone give more details, please?

Much of the same as the past games, but with Derrick Rose absolutely unleashing.

Tyrus did well tonight, recording another double-double with 10pts/12rebounds. He really needs work on finishing near the basket.

Larry Hughes is such a disease on this team.

In 19 minutes of play, Noah scored 2pts/1rebound...that's just sad. Whenever he dribbles, he gets stripped. I hate watching him play. He fouls too much, and he plays small on defense.

Gordon didn't play again.

ChiBulls7
10-22-2008, 05:01 AM
For those who missed it....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM2Iel1pM9A&eurl=http://sharapovasthigh.blogspot.com/2008/10/derrick-rose-man-crush.html

NY-Knicks
10-22-2008, 06:18 AM
damn, he can drive to the bucket whenever he wants to.
he's gonna be something in this League! :cheers:

NY-Knicks
10-22-2008, 06:18 AM
he had a nice power dunk btw

step_back
10-22-2008, 06:23 AM
hopefully this is a start of things to come, If rose can be this good night in night out im personally going to be unbearable on these boards :ohwell: I'm getting pissed of with everyone on here (not chicago fans) flaming our team.

Bulls_Fan20
10-22-2008, 09:50 AM
I was glad to see that he finally started converting on all those drives to the basket. He was missing a lot of close shots in the first few games, but almost all of them fell tonight. I also liked the assortment of scoring plays he had. It wasn't all layups, but it wasn't all jumpers either. He had a good mix, and the defender on him never knew what he was going to do.


he had a nice power dunk btw

I think he is the most powerful dunker on our team after TT. Deng has had some nice ones, but he doesn't throw them down with authority like Rose.

IN-PAX-WE-TRUST
10-22-2008, 12:57 PM
I gotta tell you... Rose reminded me a lot of D Wade last night... he got to the basket with ease... this kid is gonna be something special... can you imagine how good he will be when he develops a jump shot!

ChiBulls7
10-22-2008, 02:29 PM
Found a nice highlight clip of Rose's 30 point performance for those who missed it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM2Iel1pM9A

:applause:


Read up a few posts, I gave the same exact video link.

Undisputed
10-22-2008, 02:31 PM
Read up a few posts, I gave the same exact video link.

Nice. My bad, bro'. Didn't catch that. I'll delete that post.

ConanRulesNBC
10-22-2008, 02:55 PM
Damn! That was a freaking AWESOME performance last night.

After seeing that I thought of two things...

1.) It's nice to have a real possible STAR player on the team again for the first time since Jordan/Pippen.

2.) Paxson better make as many trades as he can and get him some real help NOW!

NY-Knicks
10-22-2008, 02:56 PM
I was glad to see that he finally started converting on all those drives to the basket. He was missing a lot of close shots in the first few games, but almost all of them fell tonight. I also liked the assortment of scoring plays he had. It wasn't all layups, but it wasn't all jumpers either. He had a good mix, and the defender on him never knew what he was going to do.



I think he is the most powerful dunker on our team after TT. Deng has had some nice ones, but he doesn't throw them down with authority like Rose.

There haven't been many Point Guards with the athletic ability that Rose has!:bowdown:

NY-Knicks
10-22-2008, 02:56 PM
Damn! That was a freaking AWESOME performance last night.

After seeing that I thought of two things...

1.) It's nice to have a real possible STAR player on the team again for the first time since Jordan/Pippen.

2.) Paxson better make as many trades as he can and get him some real help NOW!



like; trade Gordon?

Undisputed
10-22-2008, 03:45 PM
like; trade Gordon?

No way. Gordon has little value with his one year contract to be included in a traded. If any player(s) would be trade, I'd assume the names attached would be Noah, Hughes, and most importantly, Hinrich. Kirk has the most trade value on this team. I hear the Heat are still putting Marion on the block? He'd be a good addition to the Bulls roster. He be able to run with this team, where he's most effective. Also would be a good scoring big man that would be used to playing with a quick passing PG. Marion wants to be a go to guy, he'll have it. The Heat on the other hand could use a pure PG with some experience to get their team contending again, and Hinrich would be an answer to their prayers. If I were Bulls management, I'd at least make a call about Marion.

NY-Knicks
10-22-2008, 04:09 PM
I actually like that trade, it works out well for both teams

beasted86
10-22-2008, 05:15 PM
Yeah, Kirk Hinrich + Drew Gooden for Marion... thats not a bad trade at all.

NY-Knicks
10-23-2008, 04:53 AM
Yeah, Kirk Hinrich + Drew Gooden for Marion... thats not a bad trade at all.


miami should do that, cuz they get a PG and a big man. That's exactly what they need

ConanRulesNBC
10-23-2008, 04:53 PM
Gooden and Hinrich for Marion would be good for both teams.

Rose, Sefolosha, Deng, Marion and Noah wouldn't be that bad of a lineup at all.

bulls55
10-23-2008, 10:22 PM
I am very excited about Derrick Rose. His quickness is something special. his is the reason why the Bulls picked him over Beasley. Derrick can take over the game.

I know he needs to work on his defense but those drives to the basket were great. Derrick can be a difference maker and few teams have one. If Derrick becomes another Wade we will be very lucky.

I can hardly wait for the start of the season. I know the Bulls have problems but at least we have something to look forward to watching Derrick play.

http://www.bulls-chicago-basketball.com/

IN-PAX-WE-TRUST
11-01-2008, 10:39 PM
Rose already looks like a superstar! I have been very impressed (and surprised) at how good he is out of the gate... I thought it would take a year or two...

dak121
11-01-2008, 11:00 PM
His defense is still in the lost stage, (as is 99% of NBA rookies) but it will get better. He hasn't taken many jumpshots as he's not totally confident in his shot, but it'll improve.

Better than expected. The guy is going to be a monster.

Crazy Style
11-02-2008, 12:53 AM
I'm not really surprised, but he's playing really mature in such a short time and his scoring has been impressive, 55 points in three games! I don't think anybody expected that. I guess he decided to try to score more since the team isn't really playing that well offensively. He's been also making good passes, unfortunatley though the team hasn't been able to make a lot of shots which would have gave him the assists. Once the team hopefully gets back to playing some better offense this guy is going to be flirting with a double double every night and who knows maybe a tripple double down the road. He did have 6 rebounds against Memphis. Pure talent!

Undisputed
11-02-2008, 02:28 AM
Rose is a blast to watch. I remember watching him play for Memphis and thinking how awesome it'd be to have him on the Bulls. Never gave it a shot of chance when I was thinking that back then...sports dream come true.

18 against BOSTON, which is really impressive, Celtics D is ridiculous. 26 this past game...DR.1 has a healthy shot at ROY if he keeps this up.

CelticForce1349
11-02-2008, 05:12 AM
Rose is a blast to watch. I remember watching him play for Memphis and thinking how awesome it'd be to have him on the Bulls. Never gave it a shot of chance when I was thinking that back then...sports dream come true.

18 against BOSTON, which is really impressive, Celtics D is ridiculous. 26 this past game...DR.1 has a healthy shot at ROY if he keeps this up.


I didn't see Rose play until the Final Four. I remember that the night Memphis lost I was at the gym running on a treadmill as I watched the game. The commentators were going on and on about how fast, how strong, and just how all-around great he was in that game.

I just remember thinking: "Damn, he does seem pretty good. I wonder what team he will end up playing for? Oh well, the Bulls need a big man and they wont get a good pick anyway."

Lol. It just goes to show that you can never really be sure what will happen in life sometimes. I am just so thrilled this great young kid is a Bull. What a thrill to watch...

KaptnKirk12
11-02-2008, 11:19 AM
Rose has looked to score that's for sure. And it's what Chicago needed the most...a scorer. I still think a big man is and was the key to setting this team straight. He still looks like he is playing out of control, or at least on the edge, almost at all times. And his numbers back that statement up, 4.3 assists and 3 turnovers a game. Since Rose has been able to get to the basket and finish, I'd almost like to see them put Hinrich at point, and Rose at the 2. Most of the passes Rose makes are him going to the basket anyways so he'd still be able to do that, but Kirk isn't going to make the mistakes that Rose has been making. But again it is only the first week, give it a month or two and let's see where the team is at.

IN-PAX-WE-TRUST
11-05-2008, 09:13 PM
This guy is amazing...he reminds me a lot of D Wade

CelticForce1349
11-05-2008, 09:47 PM
I just can't say enough good things about this kid. The first 6 points of the game all by Rose...I can't wait to see this guy in year or two with an actual team around him.

lurch67
11-05-2008, 10:57 PM
Man, you can see the frustration on his face.

CelticForce1349
11-06-2008, 12:02 AM
This guy is amazing...he reminds me a lot of D Wade


I can't help it and neither can you so don't give me grief...can you imagine Rose and Wade playing together? They would KILL together.

CelticForce1349
11-06-2008, 12:03 AM
Man, you can see the frustration on his face.


Dude...Your avatar is more repulsive and disturbing than a jumpshot by Tyrus Thomas.

Bulls_Fan20
11-06-2008, 01:15 PM
Dude...Your avatar is more repulsive and disturbing than a jumpshot by Tyrus Thomas.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

I still have no idea why, when Gordon, Hinrich, and Rose are on the floor at the same time, Gordon is bringing the ball up and being the primary ball handler. We know what Rose's best quality is - great ball handling and an ability to get to the rim. What is Gordon's best quality? Standing out of the way, getting a pass, and shooting. No dribbling, no passing, just shooting an open jumper. Every once in a while he will make a move and get an open 10-foot floater, but when he tries to cross someone over or juke them, it looks like he is moving in slow motion. Always exaggerating contact...I don't know what Vinnie is thinking. Rose definitely needs to demand the ball a little more. He doesn't necessarily have to take more shots, but he needs to have the ball in his hands, because he's the best creator on the team.

Dengness9
11-06-2008, 01:53 PM
D Rose against Cavs... 20 and 7

D Rose against Cavs with a team that is actually good and knows what offense they are in.... 28 and 12.


Seriously.

I would be happy with Derrick Rose going to the whole or even shooting a J every possession.

beasted86
11-06-2008, 02:00 PM
I agree, but let me add something to this

As bad as many guys on the team are shooting right now, I think he should continue to look for open teammates. Im not talking about setting up Tyrus Thomas or Drew Gooden for jumpshots... Im talking about the natural spot shooters like Gordon, Hinrich & Nocioni. When he has the ball in his hands he's so explosive and quick the defenses get drawn into the lane, leaving them wide open.

I agree that I don't know why Hinrich or Gordon is bringing the ball up the court and being the ball handler. All offense should be initiated through Rose when he's in the game. Let him decided to either pass it up to the open spot shooter, dump it down low to a cutting big man, or take it all the way in for the score.

Bulls_Fan20
11-06-2008, 02:03 PM
D Rose against Cavs... 20 and 7

D Rose against Cavs with a team that is actually good and knows what offense they are in.... 28 and 12.


Seriously.

I would be happy with Derrick Rose going to the whole or even shooting a J every possession.

As long as he isn't popping 3's with 20 seconds left on the shot clock. He was rushing some 3's last night after he hit the first one, and he would have been better served slowing it down and looking for a better shot. His 3-point shot will get better in time, but right now he doesn't really need to be shooting 3's unless he's either wide open, or the shot clock is about to expire. I was glad he hit one in a game to get his confidence up, but he is so good at getting into the lane and finishing without getting blocked (I'm looking at you Gordon), or pulling up for a short jumper, that it only makes sense to bypass the long shots...for now.

beasted86
11-06-2008, 02:06 PM
he is so good at getting into the lane and finishing without getting blocked (I'm looking at you Gordon)

They both got blocked once last night. I understand alot of you dislike Gordon for whatever reason.. but you shouldn't knock him if he has a good game.

Anytime Gordon gets under 3 turnovers and shoots well just keep praying he continues it.

Bulls_Fan20
11-06-2008, 02:36 PM
They both got blocked once last night. I understand alot of you dislike Gordon for whatever reason.. but you shouldn't knock him if he has a good game.

Anytime Gordon gets under 3 turnovers and shoots well just keep praying he continues it.

That wasn't a knock on last night, that was a knock on the past 4 years. He just isn't a good finisher in traffic, whereas Rose can twist and turn, and still get a good % shot off. Last night, almost everything Rose was throwing up was short, so it was kind of a role reversal for him and Gordon. But I'm not going to say that Gordon isn't a special offensive talent, because he is. He just doesn't have the IQ, attitude, or other skills to make him a more complete player.

beasted86
11-06-2008, 03:07 PM
That wasn't a knock on last night, that was a knock on the past 4 years. He just isn't a good finisher in traffic, whereas Rose can twist and turn, and still get a good % shot off. Last night, almost everything Rose was throwing up was short, so it was kind of a role reversal for him and Gordon. But I'm not going to say that Gordon isn't a special offensive talent, because he is. He just doesn't have the IQ, attitude, or other skills to make him a more complete player.

Although Gordon at times can creat a shot for himself... I do think he's best as a spot shooter. With as much attention as Rose will get defensively as he gets better and better at driving the lane... the more wide open looks Gordon, Nocioni & Hinrich will get.

trig
11-06-2008, 04:11 PM
Vinny should let Drose do his stuff a little bit. stop doing pick and rolls every time, let him iso from time to time. And please stop gordon from running in circles. when using small line-up, you've got kirk and rose, why the hell is gordon holding that rock. he's a turnover waiting to happen.

Crazy Style
11-06-2008, 05:06 PM
This guy is a stud and Bulls fans should be very proud of him. Still can't believe they were lucky enough to win the draft lottery with such low odds! Just imagine had the Bulls not drafted this guy. At this point I can't imagine a better rookie for this team than Rose. He should've been the one with the ball with 11 seconds left against the Magic where they where down by 2. Instead Gordon screwed it up!

CelticForce1349
11-06-2008, 05:10 PM
Vinny should let Drose do his stuff a little bit. stop doing pick and rolls every time, let him iso from time to time. And please stop gordon from running in circles. when using small line-up, you've got kirk and rose, why the hell is gordon holding that rock. he's a turnover waiting to happen.


Well, we all know why Gordon wants to be seen handling the ball more often; he wants to look good (lol) for his free agency this summer.

I am not ready to bad-mouth Vinny yet but, he should not be allowing anyone other than Rose to control the Bull while he is on the floor. When Rose is out then it becomes Hinrich's job. When Larry Hughes comes back...oh dear gawd, I don't want to even think of it.

lurch67
11-06-2008, 05:42 PM
Im anxious to see how Rose and Hughs do on the floor together. Anything to change up this line up is most welcome.

Bulls_Fan20
11-06-2008, 06:06 PM
Im anxious to see how Rose and Hughs do on the floor together. Anything to change up this line up is most welcome.

It should be interesting, because after Rose, Hughes is the best driver of the guards. I think he will do OK, but I still think Gordon is the best match for Rose, but only if he ever decides he can accept a role that doesn't result in him having the ball in his hands 90% of the game.

Undisputed
11-06-2008, 07:32 PM
I hope Rose plays his entire career in Chicago. This guy is going to be unreal in a couple years.

Crazy Style
11-09-2008, 11:43 AM
I hope Rose plays his entire career in Chicago. This guy is going to be unreal in a couple years.

This guy is going to be among the best very soon! His season averages this season up to date: 17.7 ppg (leading all rookies) on 46%, 5.1 apg, 3.9 rpg, and 88% from the line. His assist numbers will probably go up all season. Solid start keep it up!:applause:

Crazy Style
11-12-2008, 03:06 AM
Rose had another great game last night with 26 pts, 10 rebounds and 6 assists on 53% shooting. His ppg is an impressive 18.75, who would have thought he'd be that much of a scorer. It's only 8 games into the season, but what a great start for the potential rookie of the year! Hopefully next the team gets back to .500 sooner than later and plays its best every night. With Gooden coming back soon they should be better. I can't tell how much Larry Hughes can help us when he becomes healthy, hopefully he surprises us in a good way!

IN-PAX-WE-TRUST
11-19-2008, 02:16 AM
ok... this is officially getting insane... did anyone expect Rose to be this good in his first 11 games? WOW just wow... can we please get Boozer or some monster post player to go along side this guy...

Crazy Style
11-19-2008, 02:21 AM
ok... this is officially getting insane... did anyone expect Rose to be this good in his first 11 games? WOW just wow... can we please get Boozer or some monster post player to go along side this guy...

I know it's awesome, now we really need a legitimate big guy down low. Deng has got to step it up as well if this team want's success. Rose's stat line was nice; 25 points, 9 assists and 3 rebounds.:applause:

Undisputed
11-24-2008, 03:28 AM
I find it hilarious how teams are double teaming Rose, a first year rookie just off his freshmen college season. There's no better compliment than being double teamed on almost every play.

:cheers: The future is bright. I'm thankful for that #1 pick, imagine this season without Rose....yikes.

Bulls_Fan20
11-24-2008, 10:56 AM
I find it hilarious how teams are double teaming Rose, a first year rookie just off his freshmen college season. There's no better compliment than being double teamed on almost every play.

:cheers: The future is bright. I'm thankful for that #1 pick, imagine this season without Rose....yikes.

We would be counting down the days until the lottery and all the threads about Rose would instead be threads about Blake Griffin vs Demar Derozan vs Ricky Rubio vs blah blah blah...

CelticForce1349
11-24-2008, 05:45 PM
We would be counting down the days until the lottery and all the threads about Rose would instead be threads about Blake Griffin vs Demar Derozan vs Ricky Rubio vs blah blah blah...


Agrred. But we are not that far from counting the days to the draft. Well, at least I am not.

Dear Gawd please, Some Blake Griffin in Chicago would be so sooo nice.

lilojmayo
11-24-2008, 06:22 PM
Derricks the true he nees to work on his outside game alot though

CelticForce1349
11-24-2008, 11:10 PM
Wow. Derrick has just been fantastic here in the first half against the Jazz. I just can't get over what a natural scorer this kid is.

His jumpshot is so much better than was advertised just before and after the draft.

trig
11-25-2008, 12:22 AM
Rose made a few bad defensive plays in the 4th, lets see if bulls can win this one..

trig
11-25-2008, 12:28 AM
wow, what a finish. Hughes and Rose again saves the day for chicago. I'm not a big fan of hughes but I'm beginning to like him. bec he seems to respect Rose. He doesnt force his offense, he gives the ball Rose and lets rose do his thing while he moves w/o the ball and look for open spots. Something Gordon and deng should learn and do.

CelticForce1349
11-25-2008, 12:40 AM
wow, what a finish. Hughes and Rose again saves the day for chicago. I'm not a big fan of hughes but I'm beginning to like him. bec he seems to respect Rose. He doesnt force his offense, he gives the ball Rose and lets rose do his thing while he moves w/o the ball and look for open spots. Something Gordon and deng should learn and do.


I agree with you about Deng and Gordon trying to make too many plays without Rose. Hughes does it sometimes but he seems to have a much better understanding that Rose is the PG that was the number one pick in the draft.

Deng and especially Gordon seem to think it was them sometimes. If Deng isn't awesome by the end of the season on a regular basis he is totally expendable to me. I am sure other people will whine and make excuses for him so he can keep doing it though.

Rose was nearly flawless from an offensive standpoint in the 2nd half. Didn't he make all of his shots in the first half? Pretty nice in the 2nd half. What did he miss, like 3 or 4 shots?

Thanks to Larry for hitting that buzzer-beater.

Undisputed
11-25-2008, 12:51 AM
I agree with you about Deng and Gordon trying to make too many plays without Rose. Hughes does it sometimes but he seems to have a much better understanding that Rose is the PG that was the number one pick in the draft.

Deng and especially Gordon seem to think it was them sometimes. If Deng isn't awesome by the end of the season on a regular basis he is totally expendable to me. I am sure other people will whine and make excuses for him so he can keep doing it though.

Rose was nearly flawless from an offensive standpoint in the 2nd half. Didn't he make all of his shots in the first half? Pretty nice in the 2nd half. What did he miss, like 3 or 4 shots?

Thanks to Larry for hitting that buzzer-beater.

It's simple, when a player is getting paid $12 million a year, you have to perform. I really am questioning Deng's heart. Interesting how he always gets injured around the circus trip.

If he has less than 18ppg and 7 rebounds this season, I'll be really open to the idea of getting rid of him.

CelticForce1349
11-25-2008, 01:41 AM
It's simple, when a player is getting paid $12 million a year, you have to perform. I really am questioning Deng's heart. Interesting how he always gets injured around the circus trip.

If he has less than 18ppg and 7 rebounds this season, I'll be really open to the idea of getting rid of him.


Yup, I'm with you on this. I really don't think he is all that his fan club has been saying he is. WHEN does he actually deliver on what is promised?

Deng for Kaman?

Go Getter
11-28-2008, 07:27 AM
I saw Rose play VS the Jazz on the 24th and his play shut the crowd up many times.

His jumpshot was falling and he was as quick as they come. I wish I could have seen him play against D Will though.

He needs to have a veteran forward in the mix...one with leadership and muscle. That or we need to draft a big to develop alongside him.

emsteez forreal
12-01-2008, 11:14 AM
derrick rose is a monster . he's settled into the nba so quickly . has anyone else noticed that when he moves, drives and isolates, he's so quick and agile it almost seems like he's avoiding contact? it's hard to explain, he obviously doesn't shy from contact but he is so limber he gets to the rim untouched .

97 bulls
12-02-2008, 03:02 AM
It's simple, when a player is getting paid $12 million a year, you have to perform. I really am questioning Deng's heart. Interesting how he always gets injured around the circus trip.

If he has less than 18ppg and 7 rebounds this season, I'll be really open to the idea of getting rid of him.
arent you the same person that was comparing this whore to scottie pippen? the bulls shouldnt have signed him to that contract.

Undisputed
12-02-2008, 03:39 AM
arent you the same person that was comparing this whore to scottie pippen? the bulls shouldnt have signed him to that contract.

I was comparing Pippen in his first few years with Deng's stats in his first few years. The arguement was mostly about potential and saying if you put Deng with Jordon in the 90's, the Bulls still would've gotten two three peats. BULLS was just trying to make it seem like I was saying Deng is better than Pip. I said Deng is on track with Scottie Pippen as far as numbers go. He has the potential to be a player simular to Pippen if he could widen his range and defend as well.

As I said in the thread you're referring too, if he underachieves this season, then I was wrong about his potential.

Do not be decieved by his slow start, Deng can still pick it up. I've always said Deng wasn't worth the contract he got. Never changed my opinion on that.

97 bulls
12-02-2008, 04:05 AM
I was comparing Pippen in his first few years with Deng's stats in his first few years. The arguement was mostly about potential and saying if you put Deng with Jordon in the 90's, the Bulls still would've gotten two three peats. BULLS was just trying to make it seem like I was saying Deng is better than Pip. I said Deng is on track with Scottie Pippen as far as numbers go. He has the potential to be a player simular to Pippen if he could widen his range and defend as well.

As I said in the thread you're referring too, if he underachieves this season, then I was wrong about his potential.

Do not be decieved by his slow start, Deng can still pick it up. I've always said Deng wasn't worth the contract he got. Never changed my opinion on that.
i undersatand. im pulling for deng, i just dont see him as being the number two guy on a championship team. i feel his production as well as gordons is more by default.

Undisputed
12-02-2008, 05:11 AM
i undersatand. im pulling for deng, i just dont see him as being the number two guy on a championship team. i feel his production as well as gordons is more by default.

You and I are on the same boat at this point. I love what I see from Deng when he's on. He has allstar stuff, but does not have the killer mentally to initiate it consistently, so it seems. I seen his talent. This season, I figured we'd see the true Luol Deng. There's still a chance, but it's starting to seem more unlikely.

CelticForce1349
12-02-2008, 07:45 AM
You and I are on the same boat at this point. I love what I see from Deng when he's on. He has allstar stuff, but does not have the killer mentally to initiate it consistently, so it seems. I seen his talent. This season, I figured we'd see the true Luol Deng. There's still a chance, but it's starting to seem more unlikely.


For me personally, Deng is a very average player for the small forward position and I feel that he has benefited from being one of the better players on a high-profile team with mostly mediocre players the last few years.

I don't want to go into one of my 5000 word essays about Deng, but I just feel he is a good blue-collar type of player. There isn't anything wrong with that, but it is frustrating when people start anointing him as critical piece of a future dynasty, like some proverbial Robin just waiting for Batman to come along.

If the Bulls were not a team with such a terrific basketball memory burned into everyones brains, I doubt the expectations or assumptions of Deng's ceiling would remain so high. Deng is Deng, which is cool. But now that he has that giant contract he needs to produce on the court.

Anyway, that lack of mental toughness was a huge part of the reason I was hoping the Bulls and Hawks would end up trading Deng for Josh Smith. I personally feel that Josh brings a much higher level of intensity to the game and I think he inspires more confidence from his teammates than Deng. Just my 2 cents...

...and just how good would Smith look running next to Rose for the next 10 years?

anya8989
12-02-2008, 04:32 PM
Could derrick rose lead the bulls to a second coming? I hope so. This kid is amazing, and It has become painfully obvious why we picked him first. Hear what the rookie of the month has to say about the game against the sixers tonight.

http://www.mouthpiecesports.com/media/16599

Dengness9
12-02-2008, 07:13 PM
23/5/11 tonite from the kid. Throw out your statline for the night for D Rose.

Bulls 106-76'ers 98

lilojmayo
12-02-2008, 07:52 PM
23/5/11 tonite from the kid. Throw out your statline for the night for D Rose.

Bulls 106-76'ers 98

30/7/7

rose a beast ive seen enough he is already better than deron williams

captainkirk
12-02-2008, 08:45 PM
90's: MJ era
10's: DR1 era

Undisputed
12-03-2008, 04:05 AM
Rose did well against Philly. I'd love to see his TO numbers go down. 6 tonight. That's too many, especially being at home.

Dengness9
12-03-2008, 03:15 PM
It was just a completely out of whack offensive game for the Bulls. Especially in OT. At least Rose still did his thing. Andre Miller is pure garbage.

trig
12-09-2008, 11:38 PM
man, rose is playing very passive today. I wonder if its bec of the cut..

Undisputed
12-10-2008, 01:31 AM
man, rose is playing very passive today. I wonder if its bec of the cut..

They said he had 10 stitches, that's definitely the reason. The most stitches I've ever had were 7, and couldn't imagine playing 40 minutes of an NBA game with it.

IN-PAX-WE-TRUST
12-30-2008, 04:52 PM
Rose looked great last night... do we resign Gordon or wait for Wade? Wade is a Chicago boy so he might sign with Bulls after next season...

ConanRulesNBC
12-30-2008, 04:59 PM
Re-sign Gordon if it's the right deal. If not then let him go. What's going to be real hard is moving Luol Deng. Who's going to want that deal?

IN-PAX-WE-TRUST
01-14-2009, 11:44 PM
damn, he looked great tonight......Pax... please get this guy a decent big man.... just think what this guy would do with a monster down low to complement him...

IN-PAX-WE-TRUST
02-24-2009, 11:25 PM
Rose looking great tonight.... beat the magic!

GreatGreg
02-24-2009, 11:28 PM
That was a monster game by Rose.
Wow.
That was amazing.