Derrick Rose possibility best PG finisher ever?

[brandonislegend]

do you guys think he has the chance to become?

from what ive seen from high school, college, and NBA he can get to the rim at will and when he is there no matter where he is or how many guys he always seems to get above them all or around.

[Undisputed]

It'll be hard to say. We're in a time of some of the greatest PG's the game has ever seen. This question is ahead of it's time, we'll have to see how good CP3, D-Will, and Rose progress.

[tsforthrees]

he can definitely get to the rim and finish with authority. two of the more recent dunking point guards, steve francis and baron davis, are more power dunkers then rose. rose throws down some sick dunks though. i would say he's got the potential to be the best pg finisher ever, but he's gotta prove it first.

[brandonislegend]

its not only dunks though

did you guys see the reverse he had his first pre season game, i didnt think it was even possible to make that.

also that floater he had today, he was out of bounds!

[tsforthrees]

its not only dunks though

did you guys see the reverse he had his first pre season game, i didnt think it was even possible to make that.

also that floater he had today, he was out of bounds!

yeah that reverse was just nasty. he's very creative. he's got the tricks of tony parker and the ability to throw it down like stevie franchise. he's gonna be a great player in this league.

[trig]

Tony Parker is not near paul deron level but when it comes to finishing, he's one of the best if not the best currently

[Scott Pippen]

best PG finisher ever?

that title belongs to this man for now:applause:

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2008/writers/paul_forrester/03/12/johnson.mayor/t1-johnson.jpg

[Kblaze8855]

He reminds me of Marbury in Minny and NJ and Rod Strickland around the basket. That combo of bouncing around gently beasting people and "WTf?" hangtime when hes not really that far off the ground. Hes got amazing air body control. Best ive seen since Rod in his prime perhaps. He uses every millisecond of air time to get his shot off.

[HisJoeness]

that title belongs to this man for now:applause:

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2008/writers/paul_forrester/03/12/johnson.mayor/t1-johnson.jpg

Took the words right off of my keyboard he was like none I have ever seen. Isaiah is up there too.

[Twiens]

Baron

[Manute for Ever!]

Everyone see how Derrick Rose single-handedly led one of the crappiest and least talented teams to a comeback win against a Western Conference playoff team yesterday? This guy is unbelievable.

Where are the Beasley-riding clowns who said "Beastley" should have been the #1 pick after his 21 points in the first game? :oldlol:

Weren't you one of them?!?

[chains5000]

Weren't you one of them?!?
:no: He would stick to his decision. Are you calling him bandwagonner???

[Manute for Ever!]

:no: He would stick to his decision. Are you calling him bandwagonner???

:roll:
Repped

[allball]

I don't know about ever but man he goes to the basket with authority. My favorite finishers in no order:

Nate Archibald
Jo Jo White
Isiah
R. Strickland
Avery Johnson (GS year and early SA years)
Terrell Brandon (Cavs years)
B. Davis
Payton
K. Johnson
T. Parker
Marbury (Twolves days)
T. Porter

Future finishers:

D. Williams
C. Paul
D. Rose
M. Conley

[DuMa]

Tony Parker is the best in the business right now.

[allball]

Tony Parker is the best in the business right now.

I agree but Rose is on his heels and has some physical attributes TP doesn't have.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM2Iel1pM9A

[Samurai Swoosh]

His athleticism is RIDICULOUS. I'm not going to jump into All-Time status yet for a player who hasn't yet played a meaningful NBA game. This thread is pointless, and way too premature.

[Thorpesaurous]

Originally Posted by DuMa
Tony Parker is the best in the business right now.

Absolutely. And it's a sign of how much of it is angles, touch, and release, when you're undersized. Even moreso than what you can do physically, because you're never going to be at an advantage in there physically.

I like Rose a lot. I know people say he's got to tighten up his handle, which may be true, but I think once (or if) he gets better control over the pace he plays at, it'll be fine.

Big time finishing at the rim by the way:
https://www.nbrpa.com/news/wherenow/images/pack_bot.jpg

[DuMa]

I agree but Rose is on his heels and has some physical attributes TP doesn't have.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM2Iel1pM9A

TP has consistently been one of the top paint scorers in the past few years. over the likes of so many other big men

[AllenIverson3]

do you guys think he has the chance to become?

from what ive seen from high school, college, and NBA he can get to the rim at will and when he is there no matter where he is or how many guys he always seems to get above them all or around.

Have u heard of a guy named Allen Iverson?

[2LeTTeRS]

Tony Parker is the best in the business right now.

By far. Parker is the best PG finisher whose prime I've seen.


Have u heard of a guy named Allen Iverson?

No disrespect but AI's not an elite finisher, he's good but not among the best ever. He's more of an elite shot creater, because of his handle and his quickness. If he had a little more strength while keeping that same quickness he'd have been the best ever though.

[GOBB]

Ever since someone mentioned Derrick Rose as a great finisher. Fans take that and go extreme. Beasley can be considered a great rebounder and someone will ask "Beasley possibly the best rebounder ever?" :oldlol:

With as many athletic, scoring oriented PGs this game has witnessed. Derrick Rose somehow is on another level? Possibly? Please.

[allball]

TP has consistently been one of the top paint scorers in the past few years. over the likes of so many other big men

did I say he wasn't. I just said Rose is on his heels and he has more quickness, more leaping ability and a bigger body.

I def appreciate Parker after seeing him in person in Houston. dude is tiny.

[picc84]

Tony Parker might be the best finisher i've seen, ever. Its bumble**** stupid how no matter who's at the rim when he gets there, or how he throws the ball up, or how fast he's going when he gets there, it goes in, fron any and all angles.

[dhenk]

Here is how Rose compares to the two best point guards in the game physically:

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That

[brandonislegend]

Ever since someone mentioned Derrick Rose as a great finisher. Fans take that and go extreme. Beasley can be considered a great rebounder and someone will ask "Beasley possibly the best rebounder ever?" :oldlol:

With as many athletic, scoring oriented PGs this game has witnessed. Derrick Rose somehow is on another level? Possibly? Please.

not really, ive watched d rose since high school.

[jernejtera]

he's amazingly quick, really unbelievable quick, has insane vert, and has amazing body in general. but what borders me is that a couple of preseason games ago you were saying he's a bust and so on and after one amazing performance you're like is he the greatest finisher ever? he has the potential but he has to prove himself. in my opinion he played well so far in those preseason games except this game where he really played amazingly good. but still. drose hasn't played not even one game in regular season and you already saying stuff like this. give him some time. i believe that wasn't his the best performance yet and he has a lot more years of playing (i hope healthy) so let him to show us from what he's made of.

another guy that impressed me is oj mayo. he is very consistent and he plays really well. so far he's the guy which convinced me the most. but derrick has amazing potential and has the physical advantage (not that oj mayo is not an athlete)

[JayGuevara]

ATHLETICISM is the most important skill in the game of basketball, and Derrick Rose is the most athletic player in the league.

The casual fan who doesn't know much will say "Gerald Green! James White!" and actually think he has an argument, but that's why casual fans are considered dumb. Those guys are nothing but athletes. Rose is a freak who can actually play. There's a difference between the two.



So if those guys are nothing but athletes, and athleticism is the most important skill in basketball, wouldn't that enable them to secure a roster spot on an NBA team? Or maybe there's some emphasis placed on fundamentals, shooting, defense, etc etc, and not just athleticism? It just seems like that if athleticism was the most important skill, very athletic players such as Gerald Green and James White would be able to get a guaranteed contract and actually play meaningful minutes in the NBA?

Regardless I'd like you to contact a doctor, he had a very lucrative practice round here in the Oakland County area, although no dedicated patients, it seems they all only visited him once. But anyways BULLS, give him a call, I think he can help you, his name is Jack Kevorkian.

[bdreason]

ummm Beasely is a better finisher around the rim than Rose. :cheers:

[Darius]

Tony Parker is def one of the more efficient finishers but he isn't an impressive finisher.

I think the OP was refering to guys that finish with authority or incredible ingenuity i.e. a little man making a game changing statement.

In recent memory the top 2 finisher in that regard, for me, have been Baron Davis and Steve Francis.

[Indian guy]

Too early to say, but I'll say this - Rose is the best combination of size, speed, agility and explosiveness(both off the dribble and leaping ability) at the PG spot today. He looked like a smaller version of LeBron in the 4th qtr last night. Completely unguardable in face-up 1-on-1 situations and since he has a very good handle, he was even beating doubles/traps pretty easily.

[wang4three]

I mean, really?

[dhenk]

Draft Express. I usually don't use numbers from there because they aren't updated since the pre-draft workouts (meaning they'll list a white stiff like Kirk Hinrich as quicker than someone like T.J. Ford), but it gives you an idea. Also, most people with a brain don't need draftexpress measurements to know that Rose is the most athletic PG in basketball.

Some of the recorded verticals are not to be taken seriously (Iguodala's, Howard's, etc.).

I know Draftexpress, but they don

[jjayfive]

rose has a ridiculous first step........

[lilojmayo]

LMAO. You fool, I was the one who created the thread titled "How dumb would CHI have been to draft Beasley over Rose?" just 2 days after the NBA Draft. YOU were the one in favor of drafting Beasley because he was an "inside scorer" who "gave them what they needed." Like 90% of the brainless fools on this board, you thought drafting Rose over Beasley was a mistake.

But that's why the more intelligent fans know not to take most people on here seriously. Athletically, Derrick Rose sh!ts all over any player at his position. Simply put, he is the best athlete in basketball. Michael Beasley is nothing special athletically. We've seen his kind before and we'll see them again. Rose is quite possibly the most athletic PG prospect the game has seen since Iverson was drafted out of Georgetown.

Here is how Rose compares to the two best point guards in the game physically:

D. Williams:

6'2 3/4" w/shoes
6'6 1/4" wingspan
30-inch no step vert
35-inch max vert
3.25 sec. in 3/4 court sprint

C. Paul:

6'1" w/shoes
6'4 1/4" wingspan
32-inch no step vert
38-inch max vert
3.22 sec. in 3/4 court sprint

D. Rose:

6'2 1/2" w/shoes
6'8" wingspan
34.5-inch no step vert
40-inch max vert (I guarantee you it's higher)
3.05 sec. in 3/4 court sprint

Rose is unguardable in the open floor and in isolation situations, as we have seen from the pre-season. Nobody is quick enough to stay in front of him because he'd just blow by all of their useless asses. ATHLETICISM is the most important skill in the game of basketball, and Derrick Rose is the most athletic player in the league.

The casual fan who doesn't know much will say "Gerald Green! James White!" and actually think he has an argument, but that's why casual fans are considered dumb. Those guys are nothing but athletes. Rose is a freak who can actually play. There's a difference between the two.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: John Paxson should have been fired if he drafted anyone other than Derrick Rose with the first pick.

Stupid ISH members... when will these kids ever learn? :oldlol:


hold on Timeout wait just one min ok

Drose gets to the rim at will true, but to say he the best athlete in the NBA is ludacris for his size pg/sg ludacris the best athlete in the NBA is Nate Robinson just look at his numbers on the combine but the best athlete in the NBA that is actually good at the pg/sg is none other than drumroll please Eric Gordon.

thats right u obviously havent seen Eric Gordon in the NBA yet because he gets to the Rim Better Than Derrick Rose and thats a Fact Gordon is also Faster than Derrick Rose Fact. Gordon is also stronger than derrick Rose Fact. Gordon also has better basketball skills than Rose Fact.
and if you watched Rose Jump in the combine it aint higher than 40in thats about right put in perspective that Nate Robinson is 43in.

Eric Gordon Vs Derrick Rose

Rose
. Rose:

6'2 1/2" w/shoes
6'8" wingspan
34.5-inch no step vert
40-inch max vert (I guarantee you it's higher)
3.05 sec. in 3/4 court sprint
10x Bench Press(185lbs)
196lbs(looks a lil skinny out on the court)
11.69sec lane agility

Eric Gordon
6'3 .25 w/shoes
6'9 wingspan
32inch no step vert
40 in max vert( i guarentee you its higher)
3.01sec in 3/4 court sprint
15x Bench (185lbs)
10.81sec lane agility

Gordon is like a 6'2 version of LBJ seriously if u watched him he has actually probably been the most impressive rookie behind beasley and mayo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9L2jD07VJaw gordon highlights start at 1:19sec look at him in the open court he is like LBJ get out of the way

link http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?page=&year=2008&sort2=DESC&draft=15&pos=0&sort=

[ChiBulls7]

hold on Timeout wait just one min ok

Drose gets to the rim at will true, but to say he the best athlete in the NBA is ludacris for his size pg/sg ludacris the best athlete in the NBA is Nate Robinson just look at his numbers on the combine but the best athlete in the NBA that is actually good at the pg/sg is none other than drumroll please Eric Gordon.

thats right u obviously havent seen Eric Gordon in the NBA yet because he gets to the Rim Better Than Derrick Rose and thats a Fact Gordon is also Faster than Derrick Rose Fact. Gordon is also stronger than derrick Rose Fact. Gordon also has better basketball skills than Rose Fact.
and if you watched Rose Jump in the combine it aint higher than 40in thats about right put in perspective that Nate Robinson is 43in.

Eric Gordon Vs Derrick Rose

Rose
. Rose:

6'2 1/2" w/shoes
6'8" wingspan
34.5-inch no step vert
40-inch max vert (I guarantee you it's higher)
3.05 sec. in 3/4 court sprint
10x Bench Press(185lbs)
196lbs(looks a lil skinny out on the court)
11.69sec lane agility

Eric Gordon
6'3 .25 w/shoes
6'9 wingspan
32inch no step vert
40 in max vert( i guarentee you its higher)
3.01sec in 3/4 court sprint
15x Bench (185lbs)
10.81sec lane agility

Gordon is like a 6'2 version of LBJ seriously if u watched him he has actually probably been the most impressive rookie behind beasley and mayo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9L2jD07VJaw gordon highlights start at 1:19sec look at him in the open court he is like LBJ get out of the way

link http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?page=&year=2008&sort2=DESC&draft=15&pos=0&sort=



Out of curiosity why are you such a Derrick Rose hater?

No doubt Eric Gordon was impressive in that game. As I'm no Eric Gordon expert I wont make any judgments as of yet, but do you think he's going to be consistently draining those Arenas-esque threes? That's where a huge chunk of his points came from that game. I must say though that in the open court he finished really nicely, but so did Rose on pretty much every drive he made. Rose was finishing over all the Mavs last night. Both look like promising players and I look forward to seeing both this season. B-Diddy should also help Gordon's development quite a bit since they both are big bodied guards.

[JJ81]

Magic

[Godfather]

do you guys think he has the chance to become?

from what ive seen from high school, college, and NBA he can get to the rim at will and when he is there no matter where he is or how many guys he always seems to get above them all or around.

Fail...

[brandonislegend]

damn did anyone see that and 1 he just made, he went up behind the backboard got fouled by al jeff and made it look sooo easy

[lilojmayo]

This is why pre-draft combine numbers don't tell the whole story. When comparing Rose to the other elite athletes in the game, I try to avoid comparing him to players who'll never become anything more than role players coming off the bench.

Gordon is stronger than Rose, but that's it. Having more skills doesn't mean anything at all. Also, if Gordon is a better athlete and more skilled than Rose, shouldn't he be the better prospect? Gordon killed the lane agility pre-draft test, but that doesn't make him faster/quicker than Rose. Take a look at Kirk Hinrich's agility test and compare it to T.J. Ford's. Hinrich is a complete stiff while Ford is one of the quickest players in the league. Rose is much faster from one end of the floor to the other with the ball in his hands than Eric Gordon is. He can also change directions much quicker and has way, way better body control, as evidenced by his acrobatic finishes around the rim every single game. Gordon is somewhat of a stiff compared to Rose athletically. All he really has a built upper body and a high vertical, which still isn't higher than Rose's. The reason I say Rose has a higher vertical is because Calipari has been quoted saying that Rose can get his chin at rim level. At 6'2 1/2'' in shoes, that proves his vertical is not just over 40'', but WAY over. I have also seen him get his head an inch below rim level before, which would automatically prove that he has a vertical well over 40 inches. So Rose is much faster from end to end, has much better lateral movement, is a better leaper, is far more fluid in mid air, and is probably better conditioned. That makes him a much better athlete than Gordon. Robinson is nothing. He may have a comparable vertical and similar floor speed, but absolutely nothing else. He's one of the more overrated athletes in the game.

i snickered you going to believe Calipari that dude is in a dream world he freakin called his offense Princeton on Steroids if that doesnt raise a red flag i dont know what does

but you have to remember on the max vertical they were only allowed to take a few steps its wasning like he was warm and court start his run from one of of the court to the other

[ChiBulls7]

Check out some of these moves, finishes strong with either hands. Plus that drive vs the timberwolves was nasty, right through the double. Not saying he is the best ever just showing some highlights thus far.

Just made this, nothing too special as far as editing...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijoD7zWOy5U

[plowking]

LOL.

Getting chin at rim level. Get real.

Rose seems like a less polished version of Dwyane Wade with a way worse jumpshot when he entered the league. He is a quick thats for sure.

[Sharas]

the phrase "best ever" is really suffering devaluation these days:violin:

[T-Low]

He reminds me of Marbury in Minny and NJ and Rod Strickland around the basket. That combo of bouncing around gently beasting people and "WTf?" hangtime when hes not really that far off the ground. Hes got amazing air body control. Best ive seen since Rod in his prime perhaps. He uses every millisecond of air time to get his shot off.

I see you got that avatar working...

[allball]

LOL.

Getting chin at rim level. Get real.

Rose seems like a less polished version of Dwyane Wade with a way worse jumpshot when he entered the league. He is a quick thats for sure.

FAIL

[allball]

It just seems like that if athleticism was the most important skill, very athletic players such as Gerald Green and James White would be able to get a guaranteed contract and actually play meaningful minutes in the NBA?



For the record Gerald Green is 10 times the basketball player James White is and he will be an integral part of the Mavs (yuck) this year.

[plowking]

FAIL

How? Wade had a decent jumpshot from midrange and people did not give him any credit for it, while Rose is shaky from the midrange and the three point.

[jbot]

geezus. let his nba season start b4 pulling out threads like this.