A boy kills himself live on a webcam(justin.tv)

[IlliniFan]

:eek: From that crazy body building forum V Unit plagarized off of. I saw this linked on a Rivals.com message board.. This looks legit.

Poster threatens to kill himself, and stream it on Justin TV. Read/skim up to page 12 at least. Shocking stuff..

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=112065561

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

:eek: From that crazy body building forum V Unit plagarized off of. I saw this linked on a Rivals.com message board.. This looks legit.

Poster threatens to kill himself, and stream it on Justin TV. Read/skim up to page 12 at least. Shocking stuff..

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=112065561

Finally, a noteworthy contribution! :applause:

It seemz by criticism has already been helping you out. Keep up the progressive "terrible about to graduate" to awful posting, IlliniFan, you're doing great!

[ShowTime LA]

:eek: :eek:

[ShowTime LA]

heres the video of the cops going in

http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=2rc0euu&s=4

[rufuspaul]

Makes me wonder when someone is gonna pull some crazy sh*t like that on this board.

[Brunch@Five]

I've seen worse. Unless you restrict it to the internet

[ihatetimthomas]

heres the video of the cops going in

http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=2rc0euu&s=4

Thats pretty crazy. Sad really. Hope the best for him

Probably bad taste, but I did lol at the 44 second mark when the dude who posted the vid picks the dudes ass with the mouse pointer

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

I consider that soliloquoy he just put up to be almost heroic. Self-sacrificial.

Anybody think of it az cowardly or weak?

How could someone possibly call him selfish?

[Cannonball]

So is he dead or just in the hospital?

[ShowTime LA]

Thats pretty crazy. Sad really. Hope the best for him

Probably bad taste, but I did lol at the 44 second mark when the dude who posted the vid picks the dudes ass with the mouse pointer

yeah

It seems its confirmed that he died.
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=112086241

:eek:

[ihatetimthomas]

I consider that soliloquoy he just put up to be almost heroic. Self-sacrificial.

Anybody think of it az cowardly or weak?

How could someone possibly call him selfish?

He is takin the easy way out. Many many people struggle with finding validity in their lives. And many people overcome it with hard work and perseverance. I dont think this is heroic. The pain and angst you put your family and friends though is unmeasurable.

Granted, not being suicidal, I have no idea the trauma and pain his mind was going through. I just know I wouldnt want my family to have to deal with something like that and feel somewhat responsible for it happening. Maybe the stress was just too much to handle. But no way would I ever consider suicide heroic

[Smokee]

That is crazy. On what page or how the hell did they confirm he actually died? Is there a story or anything on why he did it?

It feels wierd to read a thread started by someone that actually killed himself and started it with that thread :ohwell:

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

He is takin the easy way out. Many many people struggle with finding validity in their lives. And many people overcome it with hard work and perseverance. I dont think this is heroic. The pain and angst you put your family and friends though is unmeasurable.

Granted, not being suicidal, I have no idea the trauma and pain his mind was going through. I just know I wouldnt want my family to have to deal with something like that and feel somewhat responsible for it happening. Maybe the stress was just too much to handle. But no way would I ever consider suicide heroic

Yeah thatz the perspective most people share. IDK man I just think that on decision to kill yourself with knowng you would cease to exist in a few secondz takes all the COURAGE in the world. Like I've went thru som ridiculously tough timez and never contemplated suicide.. and it takez strength but I wouldn't be quick to deem it the "easy way out."

[rufuspaul]

He is takin the easy way out. Many many people struggle with finding validity in their lives. And many people overcome it with hard work and perseverance. I dont think this is heroic. The pain and angst you put your family and friends though is unmeasurable.

Granted, not being suicidal, I have no idea the trauma and pain his mind was going through. I just know I wouldnt want my family to have to deal with something like that and feel somewhat responsible for it happening. Maybe the stress was just too much to handle. But no way would I ever consider suicide heroic

I've dealt with this personally and that statement sums it up. Anger is another emotion that grips and consumes those affected.

[Cannonball]

Yeah thatz the perspective most people share. IDK man I just think that on decision to kill yourself with knowng you would cease to exist in a few secondz takes all the COURAGE in the world. Like I've went thru som ridiculously tough timez and never contemplated suicide.. and it takez strength but I wouldn't be quick to deem it the "easy way out."
He took pills though. I bet subconsciously he thought he would either live or get help in time...

[IlliniFan]

He took pills though. I bet subconsciously he thought he would either live or get help in time...
Might be the case, because if you read through it, he's made 3 other threads saying he was gona OD. People were calling him an attention whore, faker, etc...

[ihatetimthomas]

Yeah thatz the perspective most people share. IDK man I just think that on decision to kill yourself with knowng you would cease to exist in a few secondz takes all the COURAGE in the world. Like I've went thru som ridiculously tough timez and never contemplated suicide.. and it takez strength but I wouldn't be quick to deem it the "easy way out."

Sure it takes a lot to pull the trigger, but I dont think its something that should be commended. Just bc you have to muster up all the courage you got to pop the pills doesnt make it praiseworthy. It is an easy way out bc all you have to do is have the courage for that one instance, where if you decide to live and deal with your life, you have to handle the pain 24 hours a day.

[Cannonball]

Might be the case, because if you read through it, he's made 3 other threads saying he was gona OD. People were calling him an attention whore, faker, etc...
People are ****ing *******s for pushing him into it. When you have someone threatening suicide you don't push them on. Especially over the internet when you have no idea how serious the situation is.

Fricking 19 years old. Unbelievable...

[ihatetimthomas]

People are ****ing *******s for pushing him into it. When you have someone threatening suicide you don't push them on. Especially over the internet when you have no idea how serious the situation is.

Fricking 19 years old. Unbelievable...

Imagine this happened on ISH, how many people would take him seriously? The only question running through peoples minds would be, whcih alias is this? Yea people should be more thoughtful in what they say, but you cant blame them for not taking him seriously when he was pulling this stuff often before. And people like to post outrageous things on the internet. But this could be a wakeup call to take things like this more seriously

[Day La Ghetto]

coward

[XxNeXuSxX]

That's f*cking horrible. I want to punch all the idiots in there going "LAWL EPIC". You *******s could have saved him.

Idiots saying "LAWL IT'S A LOOPZOR". And someone even had the nerve to say that the cops were in on the fake. Ridiculous sad sh*t. The IQ over there is probably 1/10 of ISH. That's saying something.

People were sending him texts encouraging him from the forum. Honestly they should feel just as guilty.

[Cannonball]

Imagine this happened on ISH, how many people would take him seriously? The only question running through peoples minds would be, whcih alias is this? Yea people should be more thoughtful in what they say, but you cant blame them for not taking him seriously when he was pulling this stuff often before. And people like to post outrageous things on the internet. But this could be a wakeup call to take things like this more seriously
it's happened before. A member I won't mention his name was threatening suicide on here and a bunch of people started encouraging him and pushing him, but I know at least a couple of us talked to him in the thread and via PM to calm him down and stuff. Who knows how serious he was... Yes every suicide attempt/bluff is a call for attention. They need attention they need help! You don't go around saying you are gonna kill yourself if you aren't fricked in the head....

[Sharas]

Imagine this happened on ISH, how many people would take him seriously? The only question running through peoples minds would be, whcih alias is this?

i can only imagine the responses on ISH. it would probably be worse:lol

[Cannonball]

That's f*cking horrible. I want to punch all the idiots in there going "LAWL EPIC". You *******s could have saved him.

Idiots saying "LAWL IT'S A LOOPZOR". And someone even had the nerve to say that the cops were in on the fake. Ridiculous sad sh*t. The IQ over there is probably 1/10 of ISH. That's saying something.

People were sending him texts encouraging him from the forum. Honestly they should feel just as guilty.
Seriously. You see all that **** and then you see the kid lie down and not move for HOURS and you don't do anything? Are you fricking kidding me? Wow are world is ****ing messed up.

[Dasher]

You don't egg people on like that, even if you think they are joking. The texting was ridiculous. That was just too much.

[qrich]

I feel for his family and friends, mainly his 2 year old son.

[Cannonball]

You don't egg people on like that, even if you think they are joking. The texting was ridiculous. That was just too much.
Someone should have called him and calmed him down. What the **** is wrong with people. Do you really not care at all for a fellow human that not only that you won't HELP him. But you actually encourage him to kill himself.

That's just not right...

[Sharas]

You don't egg people on like that, even if you think they are joking. The texting was ridiculous. That was just too much.

wonder what would mathius or starface respond if that happened on ISH:lol

[Cannonball]

I feel for his family and friends, mainly his 2 year old son.
wow... man and this all could have been prevented...

[Smokee]

I feel for his family and friends, mainly his 2 year old son.

where are you guys getting all of this info about him? No way i'm sifting through all of those pages but i hit every link, and the best i've come up with is the MySpace memorating him, but nothing about him :confusedshrug:

[Sharas]

Someone should have called him and calmed him down. What the **** is wrong with people. Do you really not care at all for a fellow human that not only that you won't HELP him. But you actually encourage him to kill himself.

That's just not right...

OK, maybe i'm being too idealistic now...

but i really don't believe those people took it seriously. even though it's a body building forum, i really don't think they encouraged him to kill himself while being convinced that he's serious.

would you really trust him if he was an ISH regular known for making hoaxes? i bet he gets a ton of similar responses here.

[SoCalMike]

I feel for his family and friends, mainly his 2 year old son.

i agree with you there.... our society is strange in a lot of ways...


:pimp:

[IlliniFan]

That guy that lived in India was the only one that wanted to call the cops, and everyone was telling him to relax. The other guy called the cops wayy after the guy that lived in India was pleading for someone to.

[ihatetimthomas]

So i didnt really read through it all...was he just lying motionless on the bed for hours?

[qrich]

where are you guys getting all of this info about him? No way i'm sifting through all of those pages but i hit every link, and the best i've come up with is the MySpace memorating him, but nothing about him :confusedshrug:

I skimmed through one of the threads, and they posted a link to a google search. Clicked on a forum, and they posted a picture of him, his girl and his 2 year old.

[ihatetimthomas]

I didnt know he had a kid. Man I think even lower of this guy now. Talk about cowardly. I mean, how can you say you have nothing to live for when you have a 2 year old child? That really angers me. Total lack of responsibility. Your life might be trash, but once you have a kid, you got things to live for

[ryantheporchkid]

Holy ****. did you read what the mod said? Makes Jeff and everybody look good.

[KempSonics]

That's what happens when you have so many fake internet tough guys.

RIP to him... :(

[Cannonball]

OK, maybe i'm being too idealistic now...

but i really don't believe those people took it seriously. even though it's a body building forum, i really don't think they encouraged him to kill himself while being convinced that he's serious.

would you really trust him if he was an ISH regular known for making hoaxes? i bet he gets a ton of similar responses here.
If it was someone like LOJ. no i prob. wouldn't take it seriously. But a normal member! hell yes I would.... and HAVE. Also people saw him sallow the pills and lie down!

[XxNeXuSxX]

Reading on.... 3/4ths of the "egging on" posts were deleted in thread after the cops broke in, realizing they were going to be on the news. Whoops. :rolleyes:

[XxNeXuSxX]

So i didnt really read through it all...was he just lying motionless on the bed for hours?
He went to bed and stopped moving after an hour... laying motionless(and people noticing he wasn't breathing) for an additional 5+ hours before anyone did anything. People just claimed it was a still/loop (despite people pointing out it obviously wasn't)

[ihatetimthomas]

We went to bed and stopped moving after an hour... laying motionless(and people noticing he wasn't breathing) for an additional 5+ hours before anyone did anything. People just claimed it was a still/loop (despite people pointing out it obviously wasn't)

Thats pretty bad. And whats up with their mods? I saw some posts on there showing a pm to a mod and he didnt take it seriously at all. Even if its a joke, you still never know

[Cannonball]

I mean it's pretty clear that this wasn't a joke... They saw him take the ****ing pills and lie down!!! If people would have acted fast they could have saved him...

[XxNeXuSxX]

Thats pretty bad. And whats up with their mods? I saw some posts on there showing a pm to a mod and he didnt take it seriously at all. Even if its a joke, you still never know
Yeah after reading on the Mod actually watched not doing anything until after[I] the cops arrived on scene(5 hours after laying motionless). At that point she notified the admin! :rolleyes:

[ihatetimthomas]

Yeah after reading on the Mod actually watched not doing anything until after[I] the cops arrived on scene(5 hours after laying motionless). At that point she notified the admin! :rolleyes:

At the very least, i would delete the thread or lock it

[qrich]

http://i36.tinypic.com/208xlp3.jpg
Supposed picture of him, his kid and his girl[lipstickalley forum post]

Some of the horrid posts:

desperate cry for attention....

log off his stupid jtv site.... you're just making this retard act out worse than he would otherwise.

You want to kill yourself OP? DO it, do the world a favor and stop wasting our time with your mindless self pity. For fks sake


should someone call the cops?
no because no one cares. NEXT


someone call the cops
snitches get stitches brah


Called his fone and went straight to voice mail.
Left message "do it ***got


And the PM from the mod:
http://i33.tinypic.com/21nphs4.jpg

[Glove_20]

That guy's life was a joke

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Look, I truly believe that "life" iz the most precious gift that mankind ever has.. and its the one thing I would sacrifice Dead Last. And I usually have contempt for suicidal folkz.

But come on, IHTT, who are you to make judgmentz on the guy when you can't relate? I hate when normal, moral people who may or may not be intelligent put this. One of my good friendz was a serial killer/psycopath/depressed mofo (but not an emo). He waz of South Korean/German descent and read a lot of Mein Kampf, and some Neitsczhe, and was not highly looked upon in school. He waz joking around and created a "hitlist" of random folkz he would like to kill, and was exposed and got sent to Juvi in the midst of an hour. Dude waz occasionally a fun guy. The thing that pisses me off.. disgustz me to no awail is the typical jacka$$ who feels the need to "Psychoanalyze" (i use that term loosely) and judge him for his action. Like they have any phucking clue in the world with silly rhetorical human nature tidbitz, and "the kid had a troubled childhood!" commentz. I felt like taking a phucking shower and allying with every Serial Killer, Pedofial, Marilyn Manson, and misunderstood mofo there waz. Yuck!

Now I respect you Timothy, but come on now you have NO IDeA what waz going through that guyz mind. I work hard to support my little siblingz but I can sort of get at what he waz coming from. The main phucked-up criticizm at hand iz the absurd immaturity displayed by the otha postaz.

[ihatetimthomas]

Look, I truly believe that "life" iz the most precious gift that mankind ever has.. and its the one thing I would sacrifice Dead Last. And I usually have contempt for suicidal folkz.

But come on, IHTT, who are you to make judgmentz on the guy when you can't relate? I hate when normal, moral people who may or may not be intelligent put this. One of my good friendz was a serial killer/psycopath/depressed mofo (but not an emo). He waz of South Korean/German descent and read a lot of Mein Kampf, and some Neitsczhe, and was not highly looked upon in school. He waz joking around and created a "hitlist" of random folkz he would like to kill, and was exposed and got sent to Juvi in the midst of an hour. Dude waz occasionally a fun guy. The thing that pisses me off.. disgustz me to no awail is the typical jacka$$ who feels the need to "Psychoanalyze" (i use that term loosely) and judge him for his action. Like they have any phucking clue in the world with silly rhetorical human nature tidbitz, and "the kid had a troubled childhood!" commentz. I felt like taking a phucking shower and allying with every Serial Killer, Pedofial, Marilyn Manson, and misunderstood mofo there waz. Yuck!

Now I respect you Timothy, but come on now you have NO IDeA what waz going through that guyz mind. I work hard to support my little siblingz but I can sort of get at what he waz coming from. The main phucked-up criticizm at hand iz the absurd immaturity displayed by the otha postaz.

I find it hard to belive you can always "relate" to everyones problems every single time but i dont know you so i wont say you are lying about a "Korean/German serial killer" you once knew. But, You yourself said you have never been suicidal, so how can you relate?

Yea I am not suicidal. I dont know what is going on in his head. But you are just making excuses for him and all the other ****ed up people in the world. Look, for me, family is #1 by a wide margin. He has a child to care for and a grl. Im sure he has family as well. I dont care whats going on in your life, you got a kid, you have a priority. Thats just me. Its selfish to leave family when they need you in the dust. maybe im being judgemental but thats only bc I value my family and wouldnt ever want to put them through pain. I put family above myself

[gts]

it's not heroic, it's not cowardly, it's just sad....

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

I find it hard to belive you can always "relate" to everyones problems every single time but i dont know you so i wont say you are lying about a "Korean/German serial killer" you once knew. But, You yourself said you have never been suicidal, so how can you relate?

Yea I am not suicidal. I dont know what is going on in his head. But you are just making excuses for him and all the other ****ed up people in the world. Look, for me, family is #1 by a wide margin. He has a child to care for and a grl. Im sure he has family as well. I dont care whats going on in your life, you got a kid, you have a priority. Thats just me. Its selfish to leave family when they need you in the dust. maybe im being judgemental but thats only bc I value my family and wouldnt ever want to put them through pain. I put family above myself

You are victorious if you truly abide to your moralz then.

[ihatetimthomas]

You are victorious if you truly abide to your moralz then.

Hey, its just a difference of opinion. Not condeming your views, just pointing out mine

[qrich]

Mediatakeout jumps on this:


Last night MediaTakeOut.com caught wind that a tragedy occurred on an internet message board. A member of the popular site forum.bodybuilding.com committing suicide - and he did it ON CAMERA!!

It all started when the 19 year old told posters that he was considering suicide. Immediately, other board members began taunting him - challenging him to go through with his suicide threat.

Finally, after hours of harassment, the man reportedly set up a web camera and did it.

The webcam stream reportedly showed the 19 year old swallowing pills and eventually lying down on his bad. A few hours later, the young man stopped breathing.

The next morning, after moderators on the board tracked down the man's info, the web stream showed an officer kicking in the door and finding the youngsters body.

http://www.mediatakeout.com/2008/28391-shocker_man_is_taunted_into_committing_suicide__by _people_on_a_message_board.html

[XxNeXuSxX]

The next morning, after moderators on the board tracked down the man's info, the web stream showed an officer kicking in the door and finding the youngsters body.[/url]
That's not how it happened at all though. :wtf:

POSTERS called the police, the moderators did NOTHING till the police ARRIVED.

I mean, it wasn't the next morning either? WTF where is this idiot getting his sources?

[qrich]

That's not how it happened at all though. :wtf:

Not really a surprise, but its the only official thing I've found. I still don't really care, I just feel bad for his family/close friends, but most of all his son.


POSTERS called the police, the moderators did NOTHING till the police ARRIVED.

I mean, it wasn't the next morning either? WTF where is this idiot getting his sources?

Not posters, a poster from India made a long distance call and spent 15 minutes[I think it was], with most of it being on hold, and all he got out of it was being told to contact the sheriff. It wasn't really until then that other posters started calling the sheriff, at least from what I gathered. I'm barely taking J101, but I could write a superior article then this.



One thing I wonder though, if people did really text him/leave voicemails or pm's telling him to do it, could they potentially be charged with anything minor.

[XxNeXuSxX]

Not posters, a poster from India made a long distance call and spent 15 minutes[I think it was], with most of it being on hold, and all he got out of it was being told to contact the sheriff. It wasn't really until then that other posters started calling the sheriff, at least from what I gathered. I'm barely taking J101, but I could write a superior article then this.

Right, he was the one that tried everything he could. But giving the mods credit on that article is a joke, which was my point (as you could see from your pm)




One thing I wonder though, if people did really text him/leave voicemails or pm's telling him to do it, could they potentially be charged with anything minor.

On the message board? absolutely not. However it could be considered harassment if they left voice messages and texts on his phone. And if I was his family I would press charges.

[Sharas]

If it was someone like LOJ. no i prob. wouldn't take it seriously. But a normal member! hell yes I would.... and HAVE. Also people saw him sallow the pills and lie down!

it's not a question whether would you. i said i think most of the people that posted stupid things didn't believe he's really going to kill himself. irresponsible, wrong judgment...maybe. i just don't think they're THAT mean to really wish him to die. there also were posts that took him seriously and tried to discourage him.

and let's be honest, if it was a guy that threatened to kill himself multiple times on the same board and did nothing, you would probably think it's bad, distasteful joke again too.
you remember the ^bstract hoax? how would you react if someone claimed he has AIDS on this board again? you see where i'm going with this?

however, it's a damn shame that it took them so long to call police once they saw it was serious...a guy from frickin' india was first to try to call...are you kidding me?

[XxNeXuSxX]

it's not a question whether would you. i said i think most of the people that posted stupid things didn't believe he's really going to kill himself. irresponsible, wrong judgment...maybe. i just don't think they're THAT mean to really wish him to die. there also were posts that took him seriously and tried to discourage him.

and let's be honest, if it was a guy that threatened to kill himself multiple times on the same board and did nothing, you would probably think it's bad, distasteful joke again too.
you remember the ^bstract hoax? how would you react if someone claimed he has AIDS on this board again? you see where i'm going with this?

however, it's a damn shame that it took them so long to call police once they saw it was serious...a guy from frickin' india was first to try to call...are you kidding me?
Good point, but when you STREAM it LIVE... I don't see how people weren't taking it more seriously.

[SCY]

I can definitely understand everyone being skeptical, but I just can't understand how even the f*cking mod wouldn't take some action, just to be on the safe side. As for the regular posters, I think it's kind of like that one video someone posted here where a person was hit by a car and no one reported it to the police. Even in a real life situation, people assumed someone else would do it and didn't take it as their own responsibility. It's a shame.

[Sharas]

Good point, but when you STREAM it LIVE... I don't see how people weren't taking it more seriously.

i said that in the last paragraph. it's a shame it took so long for someone to call once they knew beyond doubt it's serious.

you might find this interesting:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect

i found it to be true in real life, and it might be even more true in the internet communities because of lack of personal contact.

my main point being - i just don't believe they straight out wanted him to die.

[TheGreatDeraj]

I find it sad the posters who were taunting him to kill himself. I guess they thought it was a joke, but still... People are too busy trying to be hardasses and say things like "do it" "no one cares". How pathetic is that? Every person has at least someone who cares about him, especially someone with a girlfriend and kid. People take being anonymous on the internet way too far. They think there words actually won't affect the kid? Supposedly he had done this several times and they still taunted him? Shameless people these days... I can't see anyone ever telling someone to their face to go ahead and kill themselves. Especially messed up if people saw him take pills. Several posters noted he wasn't breathing and they still did nothing? Sorry if this doesn't make sense, but this really bothers me.

Btw they deleted thread.

[SCY]

i said that in the last paragraph. it's a shame it took so long for someone to call once they knew beyond doubt it's serious.

you might find this interesting:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect

i found it to be true in real life, and it might be even more true in the internet communities because of lack of personal contact.

my main point being - i just don't believe they straight out wanted him to die.

Yeah, that's the phrase I was looking for.

[dhenk]

They just deleted the thread.

Seriously, is it that hard to show some empathy or social awareness and call the police?

[RidonKs]

Say starface or... J$, somebody along those lines, creates a thread screaming suicidal thoughts - are people in this forum going to believe them?

It had nothing to do with the situation and everything to do with this dude's past. What, 4-5 times before, he had created a virtually identical thread, and they all turned out to be hoaxes? The moderators are fully aware of this, fully aware of the fast ones this guy has pulled before (whether they were fast ones or actual cries for help is irrelevant at this point), and you expect them to call up the police? Really? boy who cried wolf folks.

It's an awful story, terribly sad, but... well, it's an internet forum. And it's a guy with a not-so-reputable past. I'm not sure you can throw so much blame on the moderators, or even the others in the thread. Jokers like that make a thread about severe depression, and they're expecting to be taken seriously? That's just not realistic.

I think responses would've been a HELL of a lot different if a different person had made that thread. Someone more... genuine. Again, a well-known joker like gobb or J$ or LOJ makes this thread - I guarantee this forum gives them nothing but laughs. Even eggs them on. Nobody sure as hell calls the ****ing police. I see it as a similar situation - and if the previous wolf calls were actually sincere, well that just sucks ass. But given past records, I'm not so sure you can be quite so quick to condemn everybody in that thread.

Especially when on the first page, they found out that his "suicide note" was actually copied and pasted. I mean, if that doesn't scream "I'M KIDDING", I don't know what does.

[Heilige]

Loooks like someone else might be trying to commit suicide...


http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=112097961


The mod over there is on it:



His IP points to

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

Someone in the local area please contact the police.

Thank you

A second search points to

OrgName: Temple University
OrgID: TEMPLE
Address: Computer/Math Building, Room 870
Address: Broad and Montgomery Avenue
City: Philadelphia
StateProv: PA
PostalCode: 19122
Country: US







Philadelphia Police Department
One Franklin Square
Philadelphia, PA 19106
215.686.1776
215.686.3053

[dhenk]

So, he made 4 threads about suicide before?
And noone called the police, then? That

[Sharas]

yeah, it's really the boy who cried wolf. that's what i'm talking about, if poster known for hoaxes makes such a thread...i bet he gets even more "go off and die" responses on ISH.

although again, there's really no excuse why didn't someone react faster once they did saw that he isn't breathing for hours.

[dhenk]

yeah, it's really the boy who cried wolf. that's what i'm talking about, if poster known for hoaxes makes such a thread...i bet he gets even more "go off and die" responses on ISH.


"The boy who cried wolf" is a story you tell to children.

Why? Because many kids behave like attention whores.
Why? Because they need more attention than the average grown-up.

This guy obviously needed help. His attention seeking behaviour was crying for help.

You don

[TheGreatDeraj]

[QUOTE=dhenk]"The boy who cried wolf" is a story you tell to children.

Why? Because many kids behave like attention whores.
Why? Because they need more attention than the average grown-up.

This guy obviously needed help. His attention seeking behaviour was crying for help.

You don

[jbot]

poor guy. he must have been mentally messed up to some extent.

yeah, i did chuckle at the mouse pointer. :ohwell:

[ihatetimthomas]

Its one thing to not believe him based off posts, but there was a video of him doing it and he was left lifeless on the bed for hours. Something is wrong with that

[Heilige]

Don't know if the OP is telling the truth in this thread.... :confusedshrug:


http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=112099901

[RidonKs]

This guy obviously needed help. His attention seeking behaviour was crying for help.
He set up a camera. Why? He copy and pasted a suicide note. Why? He has been known for "crying for help" numerous times before. Why?

The fact is, we live in a sick world. And people like to play jokes. Jokes that would play out just as this one did. Clearly this wasn't a joke, and the fact that many thought it was is indeed a sin. It's just not very far out there to assume the whole thing is a gag. A looped video is very conceivable, and toppled on top of everything else that was known about the dude, his past, and the situation at hand, I don't think it's anyone's place to condemn the people who just did nothing.

You can certainly condemn the *******s egging him on, but again - J$ (sorry to keep using you as an example dude, but you fit the bill pretty well) makes a thread crying about depression and suicidal thoughts. He even leaves his full name, address, and phone number. He comes off as really sincere. But it's J ****ing $. Assuming you were familiar with the poster, you're saying you'd call the cops immediately? Because it's "better to overreact" than do nothing?

Eh, I think that's a bunch of talk that probably wouldn't be backed up if such a situation occurred. Maybe that's not the case for you, but I would bet a lot of money that that would be the exact case for just about everybody else around. Takes a ridiculously helping (and you might say naive) person to have that mentality, and I don't think many have it in them.

[QUOTE]You don

[dhenk]

He set up a camera. Why? He copy and pasted a suicide note. Why? He has been known for "crying for help" numerous times before. Why?

Because he needed help?



The fact is, we live in a sick world. And people like to play jokes. Jokes that would play out just as this one did. Clearly this wasn't a joke, and the fact that many thought it was is indeed a sin. It's just not very far out there to assume the whole thing is a gag. A looped video is very conceivable, and toppled on top of everything else that was known about the dude, his past, and the situation at hand, I don't think it's anyone's place to condemn the people who just did nothing.

You can certainly condemn the *******s egging him on, but again - J$ (sorry to keep using you as an example dude, but you fit the bill pretty well) makes a thread crying about depression and suicidal thoughts. He even leaves his full name, address, and phone number. He comes off as really sincere. But it's J ****ing $. Assuming you were familiar with the poster, you're saying you'd call the cops immediately? Because it's "better to overreact" than do nothing?

Eh, I think that's a bunch of talk that probably wouldn't be backed up if such a situation occurred. Maybe that's not the case for you, but I would bet a lot of money that that would be the exact case for just about everybody else around. Takes a ridiculously helping (and you might say naive) person to have that mentality, and I don't think many have it in them.

Well, I would like to hear J$

[danumber88]

Loooks like someone else might be trying to commit suicide...


http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=112097961


The mod over there is on it:

Looks like a troll. But if the popo came in his house for this fake sh*t. :oldlol:

[v-unit]

Bodybuilding forum proves once again how it is comparable to such locations as "Hell". It is seriously a ****ed up place-But god does it provide entertainment to many people. I expect to read this on the news tomorrow morning.

[v-unit]

The place is a mess and you can tell because they still post pictures like this after the incident:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/samuti/orly-43441.jpg

Although the Misc. is not one place to ask for help

[JayGuevara]

Suicide is never a viable option. I have never attempted to kill myself, but I have entertained the thought once or twice. I have lost nearly everything that I ever held near and dear to me over the years, I've had thousands upon thousands of dollars stolen from me by my own family (not including overdue child support), I've lived in Detroit for 21 years, the list goes on. But no matter how shittastic my life has been, I have never once felt suicide was a viable option. It simply made me bitter, jaded, but more determined than ever to succeed in life and overcome any and every obstacle placed in my path. But, apparently most people don't follow the same trains of thought as myself, because suicide is a very real problem. A friend of a friend just committed suicide a couple days ago, 24 years old, with apparently no noticeable warning. Prevention rests in our hands, the friends, the family, the good samaritans of the world who can show them why they have a reason to live.

Life's a *****, but God forbid the ***** divorce me.

[Cannonball]

This guy wasn't a J-money "gimmick account" person. He just threatened to commit suicide... Big difference. Plus they say him swallow the pills on cam and lay down. How are you not gonna do something...

[WhySoInsecure?]

**** now the misc is down.

Nobody thought he would actually do it because he was known for trolling the forum.

It's a shame that he killed himself, from the pictures i've seen of him it didn't seem like he had it bad in life.

[knickballer]

**** now the misc is down.

Nobody thought he would actually do it because he was known for trolling the forum.

It's a shame that he killed himself, from the pictures i've seen of him it didn't seem like he had it bad in life.

Ya, The dude had a good looking GF/Wife, a 2 year old son and looked kind of happy. He probably had the kid at the age of 16 leading to some early troubles and having to support the kid at a young age is tough and maybe he couldn't handle it.:confusedshrug: I don't know why he would do what those idiots told him to do and all.... If you die keep it private don't make a fool out of yourself. I feel for this guy and especially his kid....

RIP he deserved better

[knickballer]

**** now the misc is down.

Nobody thought he would actually do it because he was known for trolling the forum.

It's a shame that he killed himself, from the pictures i've seen of him it didn't seem like he had it bad in life.


Was he doing J$ type of trolling with non-stop BS??

[knickballer]

BTW, Can any1 explain the video?? Did he show a note and swallowed a bunch of pills than layed on his bed for hours all on camera???

[WhySoInsecure?]

Was he doing J$ type of trolling with non-stop BS??
There's much more people on the misc than we get over here so i don't really remember every specific poster. All i know is that when he posted the thread about ODing yesterday i didn't even pay attention to it because i though it was a joke. I found out what happened today in the morning when the whole section was flooded with threads about him.

The thing with the misc is that it's full of clowns and trolls. Almost like 4chan but without all the child porn. nobody is really serious on that site.

[WhySoInsecure?]

BTW, Can any1 explain the video?? Did he show a note and swallowed a bunch of pills than layed on his bed for hours all on camera???
i didn't see it but from what i gather he swallowed something with the cam on and laid down. He could have been sleeping and nobody is going to sit there and watch him lay on his back for five hours. since he didn't move people though he had it looped and it was all a hoax.

[AirGauge23]

Did he say why he was going to do it? What kind of problems did he have?

[WhySoInsecure?]

link to his myspace
http://www.myspace.com/forgettingthepastagain

[XxNeXuSxX]

link to his myspace
http://www.myspace.com/forgettingthepastagain
As distasteful as it sounds, those comments, such as this one:



AB!!!! DAWG !!!! IMA B MiZZiN U N iMA MiZZ ALL EM TiMEZ WEN WE B UP ALL NiT TALKiN N TEXTiN N WENT 2 THE MOViEZ N DRiVE AROUND N WENT 2 CLOUD
9 L0L....iMA B MiZIN MY BCC BOYFRIEND=[[

I feel is disrespectful. This is giving condolences?

(lol I just realized it sounds like J$)

[InspiredLebowski]

What an odd, ODD, culture the internet generates. The cloak of anonymity breeds such odd behavior, as does the phenomenon of "pwning" and the like. The seriousness with which some take internet forums along with them sometimes being one of the only outlets for genuine soul baring is very nutty. The ability for the internet to replace real face to face social interaction is so scary.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

What an odd, ODD, culture the internet generates. The cloak of anonymity breeds such odd behavior, as does the phenomenon of "pwning" and the like. The seriousness with which some take internet forums along with them sometimes being one of the only outlets for genuine soul baring is very nutty. The ability for the internet to replace real face to face social interaction is so scary.

Agreed.

Time to turn back the clock by upping the technology.

Mandatory video cameraz and "machine whre you're allowed to punch the other guy in the face thru the computer." (Randy)

[IlliniFan]

As distasteful as it sounds, those comments, such as this one:



I feel is disrespectful. This is giving condolences?

(lol I just realized it sounds like J$)
I can't for the life of me, understand why people type like that on facebook and myspace. It's harder to read, takes more effort to type, and is downright annoying.

[Cannonball]

I can't for the life of me, understand why people type like that on facebook and myspace. It's harder to read, takes more effort to type, and is downright annoying.
repped

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

I can't for the life of me, understand why people type like that on facebook and myspace. It's harder to read, takes more effort to type, and is downright annoying.

That'z because you are a stupid, lifeless square who iz a b!tch to the silly, contradicting English language w/o style or flavah.

Dismissed. Accept dis and move on.

[qrich]

So its fully official, CandyJunkie is no more. To be honest, I still can't believe someone would commit suicide and stream it live the way he did, and leave his 2 year old son without a father.


I can't for the life of me, understand why people type like that on facebook and myspace. It's harder to read, takes more effort to type, and is downright annoying.

|3Ec@uz3 iTz c0oL d()|\|'t b3 m@d cuZz yOoh! @!n't 1337 :ohwell:

[ElPigto]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article5203176.ece

[danumber88]

|3Ec@uz3 iTz c0oL d()|\|'t b3 m@d cuZz yOoh! @!n't 1337 :ohwell:

Read that without squintin, took me 2 seconds..

"Because its cool dont be mad because you ain't leet."

[Beebo]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article5203176.ece

Wow, thats horrible....

Why did this guy vent out all his frustrations on the internet though?? People like this need some help, like actually talking to people in real life. Not the ****ing internet.

And isn't this the same forum where some guy stole pictures of this girl and basically ruined her life??

[picc84]

As has probably already been established, if you're suicidal and looking for help or sympathy, the internet is likely the worst place in the universe to go.

[IlliniFan]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article5203176.ece
That article is a pretty accurate portrayal of what went down, unlike the previous one that was posted.

[phelix2000]

Wow, thats horrible....

Why did this guy vent out all his frustrations on the internet though?? People like this need some help, like actually talking to people in real life. Not the ****ing internet.

And isn't this the same forum where some guy stole pictures of this girl and basically ruined her life??

It is the same forum.

[ItsMillerTime]

This story has now reached major news outlets.. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27841948

[XxNeXuSxX]

This story has now reached major news outlets.. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27841948
"He's faking it though! The police that came in were carrying scissors!!!! Solid FAKZOR!"

That forum is retarded.

[Smokee]

yeah i just heard this on WTOP News. South Florida teen named Abraham kills himself on a webcam while onlookers see the door frame being kicked in as the police entered....


its surreal to hear it on major news outlets way after seeing it on ISH OT forums :eek:

[Maniak]

Makes me wonder when someone is gonna pull some crazy sh*t like that on this board.

*In other news, a man known only as Glove_20 has commited suicide. He left a note saying, 'F*ck you (insert name here) for not trading with the fantasy god.

ps. Im still better than you Statman*

[IlliniFan]

yeah i just heard this on WTOP News. South Florida teen named Abraham kills himself on a webcam while onlookers see the door frame being kicked in as the police entered....


its surreal to hear it on major news outlets way after seeing it on ISH OT forums :eek:
Yeah, I just heard my local CBS news say it in a commercial as one of their headlines for the 11:00 news. Weird.

[Lebron23]

RIP.

Poor guy :(:(:(

[canadianballer]

lebron check your pm'S! haha

[francesco totti]

http://www.examiner.com/x-274-Denver-Crime-Examiner~y2008m11d21-More-than-1000-people-watch-as-boy-kills-himself-on-webcam

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7743214.stm

That's a terrible sad tragedy..

He has also told people on bodybuilding.com he will commit suicide and no one took him seriously. And who would? If someone on insidehoops says he will kill himself, all of us will ignore him... how sick is this??

[GOBB]

Any reason why he did that dumb shyt? Whats with the idiots who sat there in anticipation? Maybe they thought he was joking around. How could u tell from a live feed? Its easy to assume the kid hops up and says GOT YOU! The whole idea of watching someone do it to begin with is weird. There isnt a day on EARTH I'd watch one of u posters even pull off such a silly stunt.

Weird.

[brantonli]

To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if the same thing on ISH, if a suicidal guy had decided to post on ISH that he was going to die, and I wouldn't be surprised if the reaction of the people here on ISH was exactly the same as on that forum.
It was a sad event, however I do think the news have overblown this waay beyond proportion just because it was televised live. What are you going to do, reach through the vid-cam and grab the guy? :rolleyes: Seriously, I doubt they know his address.

[SoCalMike]

To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if the same thing on ISH, if a suicidal guy had decided to post on ISH that he was going to die, and I wouldn't be surprised if the reaction of the people here on ISH was exactly the same as on that forum.

I could totally see many ISH posters egging him on....

It was a horrifying event and I feel really badly for his parents who are suffering from their son's loss as well as the publicity it has drawn.



:pimp:

[Nets fan 93]

Sad... what was going though his mind? how can people watch that?

[gts]

What are you going to do, reach through the vid-cam and grab the guy? Seriously, I doubt they know his address.actually they did, the mods got it off his IP and contacted the police.. it was just 12 hours or so too late

[Beebo]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=110186

It was posted here a few days ago.

[LongBeachLakers]

http://www.examiner.com/x-274-Denver-Crime-Examiner~y2008m11d21-More-than-1000-people-watch-as-boy-kills-himself-on-webcam

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7743214.stm

That's a terrible sad tragedy..

He has also told people on bodybuilding.com he will commit suicide and no one took him seriously. And who would? If someone on insidehoops says he will kill himself, all of us will ignore him... how sick is this??

apparently he made numerous threads threatening to kill himself in the past. He should have learned a lesson from the "the boy who cried wolf".

[Nets fan 93]

Makes me wonder when someone is gonna pull some crazy sh*t like that on this board.
Well with how some of the people are treated... wouldnt be to suprised

[ihatetimthomas]

I could totally see many ISH posters egging him on....

It was a horrifying event and I feel really badly for his parents who are suffering from their son's loss as well as the publicity it has drawn.



:pimp:

For the persons family and friends involved, it is very sad for them to continually hear about this in the media. But in the bigger picture, it may open up people eyes to take suicidal threats very seriously, even if it is on a not-so-serious website. I hope people can learn from this and if it ever happens again (god forbid) then people will act much quicker and it could be possibly prevented.

[SoCalMike]

But in the bigger picture, it may open up people eyes to take suicidal threats very seriously, even if it is on a not-so-serious website. I hope people can learn from this and if it ever happens again (god forbid) then people will act much quicker and it could be possibly prevented.

thats a very good point... hopefully there can be a greater good from what happened here.... good point indeed.


:pimp:

[AirGauge23]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omWgV5kXvIg

Poor poor guy :(

Life ain't fair

[Hawker]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omWgV5kXvIg

Poor poor guy :(

Life ain't fair

Of course it isnt. That's still not an excuse to kill yourself.

[loot]

we need this instead of a dumb puppy cam

[Kebab Stall]

we need this instead of a dumb puppy cam
Suicide Watch Cam?

Make sure that posters are OK when a big trade goes down, or when someone mentions Yao and Dwight in the same sentence and the entire Rockets' fanbase start to hyperventilate.

[JayGuevara]

"Biggs, a 19-year-old Broward College student who suffered from what his family said was bipolar disorder, or manic depression, lay dead on his bed in his father's Pembroke Pines house Wednesday afternoon."

Where the **** was this kid's parents or sister during this whole ordeal? Outraged that nobody did anything sooner, but where the **** were yall at? Family members have a bigger responsibility for one's well-being than total strangers on the internet.

[halffttime]

He is takin the easy way out. Many many people struggle with finding validity in their lives. And many people overcome it with hard work and perseverance. I dont think this is heroic. The pain and angst you put your family and friends though is unmeasurable.

Granted, not being suicidal, I have no idea the trauma and pain his mind was going through. I just know I wouldnt want my family to have to deal with something like that and feel somewhat responsible for it happening. Maybe the stress was just too much to handle. But no way would I ever consider suicide heroic
but there's just something so romantic with dying via suicide..

[halffttime]

Look, I truly believe that "life" iz the most precious gift that mankind ever has.. and its the one thing I would sacrifice Dead Last. And I usually have contempt for suicidal folkz.

But come on, IHTT, who are you to make judgmentz on the guy when you can't relate? I hate when normal, moral people who may or may not be intelligent put this. One of my good friendz was a serial killer/psycopath/depressed mofo (but not an emo). He waz of South Korean/German descent and read a lot of Mein Kampf, and some Neitsczhe, and was not highly looked upon in school. He waz joking around and created a "hitlist" of random folkz he would like to kill, and was exposed and got sent to Juvi in the midst of an hour. Dude waz occasionally a fun guy. The thing that pisses me off.. disgustz me to no awail is the typical jacka$$ who feels the need to "Psychoanalyze" (i use that term loosely) and judge him for his action. Like they have any phucking clue in the world with silly rhetorical human nature tidbitz, and "the kid had a troubled childhood!" commentz. I felt like taking a phucking shower and allying with every Serial Killer, Pedofial, Marilyn Manson, and misunderstood mofo there waz. Yuck!

Now I respect you Timothy, but come on now you have NO IDeA what waz going through that guyz mind. I work hard to support my little siblingz but I can sort of get at what he waz coming from. The main phucked-up criticizm at hand iz the absurd immaturity displayed by the otha postaz.
this

[RoseCity07]

When someone is in so much emotional pain no one should judge them for taking their life. Just hope they found the peace life couldn't give them.

Emotional pain is the worst pain there is. It is true living hell. He isn't a coward for giving up. We see a blind man with a cane and we accept it, a deaf person with a hearing aid and we accept their disability. We can't see what a person is thinking or feeling, but that doesn't mean they are alright just because they look that way.

It's sad no one could help him. But I think it's really low to judge someone for wanting to end their misery.

[halffttime]

When someone is in so much emotional pain no one should judge them for taking their life. Just hope they found the peace life couldn't give them.

Emotional pain is the worst pain there is. It is true living hell. He isn't a coward for giving up. We see a blind man with a cane and we accept it, a deaf person with a hearing aid and we accept their disability. We can't see what a person is thinking or feeling, but that doesn't mean they are alright just because they look that way.

It's sad no one could help him. But I think it's really low to judge someone for wanting to end their misery.

agreed. i really hate how people claim they understand someone's situation, when they don't. maybe you've been in a similar situation yourself, but the fact remains that you're not that person and you don't know what it's like. you can sit here and call them selfish, but you could have easily been in that person's shoes yourself if coincidence (not fate) happened to play it like that. i wouldn't call it a courageous act, but i think people should accept and respect someone's decision to end their pain.

ps. are you the kid with one leg?

[RoseCity07]

No. I have both. Didn't know there was someone on here with one leg.

[brownheatley]

Sad thing to happen esp with a kid. I tried to do myself in for I thought good reasons, but I knew I would be hurting the ones who cared for me more. Thats commonsense there. I had to glimps the future and see how it would play out and i said forget that....NO WAY. Bieng in a boys home away from family and friends just stuck in a red neck environment, so far away and just feeling lost. No matter what happens in life someone always have it worse than the next man. This guy could have been saved if he had the emotional support. The demons consumed him wich Im speaking of the people who edged him on. Thats how the devil work he use people as you can see. No matter how hard you have please just PRAY and think about something good. Always discuss it with someone and never leave it bottled inside, let it all out
on the table. Doing yourself in takes alot of guts and I believe it is a easy way but the worst way to go. Just not worth it.

[KubiliusF]

This week my ex class mate commited suicide by hanging himself. Weaksauce

[brownheatley]

Man if you serious, Im sorry for the loss. Man people be takin out innocent people with them thats not kewl. If you want to take yourself out leave innocent people out of it. Life is already what it is. Damn man Bush lef things a mess.

[brownheatley]

Worst inventions guns and the internet....They both can ruin your life.

[Manute for Ever!]

I consider that soliloquoy he just put up to be almost heroic. Self-sacrificial.

Anybody think of it az cowardly or weak?

How could someone possibly call him selfish?

This Morrisey-esque opinion makes me consider you more of a ****wit than I ever have (which I always have). You are clearly an over-privileged rich kid who has never lost anyone close to them to suicide. You are the scum of the earth and nothing you can ever reply with will ever make me think otherwise. **** you, you ****-sucking sack of ****, I wish it were you in the video.

[sergiorodriguez]

suicide is always selfish unless the person killing themselves has no one who loves them. This guy who killed himself online in front of a webcam, was both selfish and desperately attention whoring. I dont see how anyone can defend this guy. Yes he might have been incredibly depressed and rock bottom, but suicide is never the brave or respectable answer.

[Manute for Ever!]

suicide is always selfish unless the person killing themselves has no one who loves them. This guy who killed himself online in front of a webcam, was both selfish and desperately attention whoring. I dont see how anyone can defend this guy. Yes he might have been incredibly depressed and rock bottom, but suicide is never the brave or respectable answer.

We may have had our differences in the past, but we can definitely agree on this :cheers:

[sergiorodriguez]

We may have had our differences in the past, but we can definitely agree on this :cheers:
you are a smart fellow aswell:rockon:

[Abd El-Krim]

suicide is always selfish unless the person killing themselves has no one who loves them.

How is suicide more selfish than people expecting those around them not to kill themselves regardless of what they're going through so that they don't have to deal with the loss?

[Juges8932]

Yeah thatz the perspective most people share. IDK man I just think that on decision to kill yourself with knowng you would cease to exist in a few secondz takes all the COURAGE in the world. Like I've went thru som ridiculously tough timez and never contemplated suicide.. and it takez strength but I wouldn't be quick to deem it the "easy way out."

No, it takes COURAGE to fight through whatever slump or dark times you may be having and get out of it. Killing yourself is being a ***** and WEAK. There is no glory in suicide. It is ****ing stupid. More times than not it is just for ****ing attention and they use something they KNOW won't kill them. In studies, I have seen anywhere from 1/90 to 1/200 women successfully kill themselves when attempting. Why? They don't use **** that is actually going to get the job done. Men, was 1/50. Why? They use **** that gets the job done (i.e; gun).

[Abd El-Krim]

No, it takes COURAGE to fight through whatever slump or dark times you may be having and get out of it. Killing yourself is being a ***** and WEAK. There is no glory in suicide. It is ****ing stupid. More times than not it is just for ****ing attention and they use something they KNOW won't kill them. In studies, I have seen anywhere from 1/90 to 1/200 women successfully kill themselves when attempting. Why? They don't use **** that is actually going to get the job done. Men, was 1/50. Why? They use **** that gets the job done (i.e; gun).

So you're saying women have more courage than men since they are less successful at suicide...right?

[Juges8932]

So you're saying women have more courage than men since they are less successful at suicide...right?

I see your point. But no, it's simply the reasoning behind it. More women feign suicide for the attention of it, not because they want to die. They simply feel unloved or that there is nobody there for them. I think it takes a lot of courage to be able to fight through your struggles, given that it can take years, and to value life, rather than selfishly taking it away when there are people around the world who would love to live longer, but won't be able to because of environment conditions or illness, etc. What's so courageous about bailing out and ending it in .5 sec (gun) to X amount of time (Pills)? If they are at the point of wanting to kill themselves, truly, then for them it is the EASY way out as they do NOT want to fight through it. For somebody like you or me (Assuming you're not suicidal), it's not really conceivable to kill ourselves and the thought is uncomfortable/scary, so it would be a lot harder to do it than to live. With somebody like them, they think fighting through it is more difficult and killing themselves is easy, which is why I think it's cowardly.

[sensational]

suicide is always selfish unless the person killing themselves has no one who loves them. This guy who killed himself online in front of a webcam, was both selfish and desperately attention whoring. I dont see how anyone can defend this guy. Yes he might have been incredibly depressed and rock bottom, but suicide is never the brave or respectable answer.

unless they have no one that loves them? thats an okay reason to go kill yourself? its never a good reason to kil yourself regardless. Saying that most people that commit suicide suffer from depression which is a medical condition. They have psychological problems or even persona problems that put them in their position. Also most of these people that want to commit suicide are just looking for attention which they never got previously. They never want to commit suicide. At that very last moment when they realize they are going to die they regret doing it and try to survive.

[halffttime]

^ so if somone close to you guys took their own lives, you would go to their funeral thinking "selfish b!tch" the whole time? instead of trying to understand and respect that person's decision in seeking peace? i think i got you

[brownheatley]

Exactley think about this being a family member or a good friend. You don't knoe what this guy went thru in his life. He could have been molested as a kid, or whatever. It is never a good think to take a life, but when life press down on you and it will at some point and time its good to be strong. You will have to deal with a hostile situation. Don't call this guy a coward either, that takes alot of guts that is very scary and meeting Satan as i believe for doing this act. I just dont get American people they are some of meanest people when someone lose a life.The most ignorant people on the planet, not all but alot. Yet you wonder why other countries hate America.

[Doomsnite Danny]

^ so if somone close to you guys took their own lives, you would go to their funeral thinking "selfish b!tch" the whole time? instead of trying to understand and respect that person's decision in seeking peace? i think i got you
WTF? Yes, I'll go to their funeral and be like you're ****ing weak. Look at you in that box, face all rigor morted and shlt. But you're still my boy:confusedshrug:

These people are weak and fukk the way they don't know how to seek help.

[goldenryan]

all the video links got deleted : (

[halffttime]

WTF? Yes, I'll go to their funeral and be like you're ****ing weak. Look at you in that box, face all rigor morted and shlt. But you're still my boy:confusedshrug:

These people are weak and fukk the way they don't know how to seek help.

what makes you think they can even be helped? imagine a guy who has lost his entire family. how do you heal that? you can give him some antidepressants, some therapy, and maybe some words of wisdom.. but that doesn't change anything. you can run away from pain, but you can't hide from that sh!t. i understand life is precious, but i don't understand why people are sooo against suicide. is that hard to take in that some people just want to finally have peace in their lives? would you rather they kicked it for another 10-40 years? waking around without a soul?

[brownheatley]

A brah plus ant-medication will only make it worse because you soley depending on it. I tell you man you going to someones funeral sayin that don't even show up because your ignorant. You go to mourn and pay respect did your parent ever teach you that? This guy could been like them other peeps and takin out his sorrows on inocent bystanders but he didn't. That there have my respect alone.You better hope you dont have a kid or something and they do this.Whatch what you say Karma is real.

[GreatGreg]

Wow :/

http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Candyjunkie

[Juges8932]

^ so if somone close to you guys took their own lives, you would go to their funeral thinking "selfish b!tch" the whole time? instead of trying to understand and respect that person's decision in seeking peace? i think i got you

Not the whole time, but I would definitely be angry at them. It's not like they were accidentally killed. They killed themselves. I do NOT respect suicide, simple and plain. I don't think it's an acceptable choice. I suppose there are exceptions to every rule, though.

[halffttime]

Not the whole time, but I would definitely be angry at them. It's not like they were accidentally killed. They killed themselves. I do NOT respect suicide, simple and plain. I don't think it's an acceptable choice. I suppose there are exceptions to every rule, though.


what makes you think they can even be helped? imagine a guy who has lost his entire family. how do you heal that? you can give him some antidepressants, some therapy, and maybe some words of wisdom.. but that doesn't change anything. you can run away from pain, but you can't hide from that sh!t. i understand life is precious, but i don't understand why people are sooo against suicide. is that hard to take in that some people just want to finally have peace in their lives? would you rather they kicked it for another 10-40 years? waking around without a soul?

answer above question.

[sergiorodriguez]

How is suicide more selfish than people expecting those around them not to kill themselves regardless of what they're going through so that they don't have to deal with the loss?
All of you guys promoting suicide as a good thing: Take a look at the personal life of Walter Hermann.

STFU you little turds, suicide is never respectable or brave, it is boneheaded to even suggest that.

[sergiorodriguez]

unless they have no one that loves them? thats an okay reason to go kill yourself? its never a good reason to kil yourself regardless. Saying that most people that commit suicide suffer from depression which is a medical condition. They have psychological problems or even persona problems that put them in their position. Also most of these people that want to commit suicide are just looking for attention which they never got previously. They never want to commit suicide. At that very last moment when they realize they are going to die they regret doing it and try to survive.
:hammerhead:

it's not an ok reason to kill yourself, but suicide wouldnt be selfish if you have no one at all in the world who cares about you.

[brownheatley]

If you think about the whole situation yeah the guy had issues and wanted the attention. Instead of these dumb as people rooting for him to do it they should have tried to ask him why you doing this? Here lets talk about your problem ok? Then this conversation could had led him to feeling better. Who kno's.

[sergiorodriguez]

what makes you think they can even be helped? imagine a guy who has lost his entire family. how do you heal that? you can give him some antidepressants, some therapy, and maybe some words of wisdom.. but that doesn't change anything. you can run away from pain, but you can't hide from that sh!t. i understand life is precious, but i don't understand why people are sooo against suicide. is that hard to take in that some people just want to finally have peace in their lives? would you rather they kicked it for another 10-40 years? waking around without a soul?
Do you know what happened to Lamar Odom and Walter Hermann?

[QUOTE]BELGRADE, Serbia-Montenegro

[brownheatley]

Now that's a strong guy foreals. I bet he thought about it or maybe came to a point that if he did it he will never see them again. Strong in faith is the only way.That what I said someone always have it worse no matter.It dont get no worse than that. He was brought up well.Good teachings.

[Abd El-Krim]

Do you know what happened to Lamar Odom and Walter Hermann?



and these are just NBA players. There are millions of people out there who have had much worse happen to them and instead of giving up, they keep fighting and go on to lead fulfilling lives. Why are so many people here in support of suicide? My belief? These supporters have all contemplated suicide themselves.

Technically nothing happened to Hermann, stuff happened to people he knows. And who is to say he even liked them? Maybe dude was balling because he didn't have to hear about how his family hated his gf anymore.

Seriously though, I don't think anyone "supports" suicide. There's just a pathetic desperation in the words of people who call it cowardly and act as if a person shouldn't have a right to call it quits. Like you think putting up with all the bull**** and living a "fulfilling life" means you aren't going to die one day and be forgotten just as people who off themselves via webcam will.

[sergiorodriguez]

Technically nothing happened to Hermann, stuff happened to people he knows. And who is to say he even liked them? Maybe dude was balling because he didn't have to hear about how his family hated his gf anymore.

Seriously though, I don't think anyone "supports" suicide. There's just a pathetic desperation in the words of people who call it cowardly and act as if a person shouldn't have a right to call it quits. Like you think putting up with all the bull**** and living a "fulfilling life" means you aren't going to die one day and be forgotten just as people who off themselves via webcam will.
People are talking about its ok to kill yourself if all your loved ones die and you have no one left. Hermann's mom, fiance and sister all died in one fell swoop and his dad a year later.


And your retarded argument is that Hermann probably didn't even like them? How is it "pathetic desperation" to call people who kill themselves selfish and weak? You have a very fatalistic and negative view point on life. Now i understand why you said the retarded things you did earlier in this thread.

[Abd El-Krim]

Why do you keep using the word "retarded?" 167 IQ points should yield a larger vocabulary.

One person said that thing about killing yourself if you lose your family, and he was clearly transferring what's important to him onto the general person. Some people don't need their family, but wouldn't want to live without their hair. You don't know what's important to Hermann, but I'm guessing it's his hair. See if that guy survives male-pattern baldness with grace like the great Chris Kaman and then we'll talk about fighting through adversity.

I already explained my pathetic desperation comment. Feel free to read my previous post a few times until it sinks in.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

This Morrisey-esque opinion makes me consider you more of a ****wit than I ever have (which I always have). You are clearly an over-privileged rich kid who has never lost anyone close to them to suicide. You are the scum of the earth and nothing you can ever reply with will ever make me think otherwise. **** you, you ****-sucking sack of ****, I wish it were you in the video.

:oldlol: You're dead wrong. Chock up another lame opinion to the lands of lameness that makes up your malnourished cerebrum, fool.

"Why are fools and fanatics always so certain of themselves, but wiser people are full of doubts?"

[sergiorodriguez]

Why do you keep using the word "retarded?" 167 IQ points should yield a larger vocabulary.
maybe because it's obvious that you are mentally delayed.



One person said that thing about killing yourself if you lose your family, and he was clearly transferring what's important to him onto the general person. Some people don't need their family, but wouldn't want to live without their hair. You don't know what's important to Hermann, but I'm guessing it's his hair. See if that guy survives male-pattern baldness with grace like the great Chris Kaman and then we'll talk about fighting through adversity.

I already explained my pathetic desperation comment. Feel free to read my previous post a few times until it sinks in.



It's insensitive prick inappropriate comments like this that prove that you are infact the word you hate so much; retarded. And you most likely have ausbergers as well.

[Abd El-Krim]

maybe because it's obvious that you are mentally delayed.




It's insensitive prick inappropriate comments like this that prove that you are infact the word you hate so much; retarded. And most likely have ausbergers as well.

:roll:

Next time go with a mental disorder you can at least come close to spelling.

[sergiorodriguez]

:roll:

Next time go with a mental disorder you can at least come close to spelling.
you fell for my trap.

so what you are confirming is that you do have Asberger's Syndrome? I suspected as much. Thank you sir, case closed.

[Kebab Stall]

Losing family members is nothing to kill yourself over, but if you want to, fine, it's your life, do as you see fit. Now, there are things that a person may have little to no control over, when it comes to this sort of thing, so saying that suicide is weak and pathetic is irrelevant.

Suffering from severe depression, paranoria, schizo, etc. These are all things that some people may take their lives over. Sure it may not seem like the best solution to you, but it's not your call to make. These people may have gone through help and it hasn't worked, they may feel that, there's no point in carrying on this way for another 10, 20, 40+ years if they are just going to die anyway. Why put yourself through that pain for so long if you really believe nothing will work?

Ofcourse there are people who can work through these problems, but at the same time, there are plenty of people who struggle to get through them, even with years of help and advice. So the old argument, "if this guy can get past it, then he can aswell", is f*cking retarded. Not everyone is programmed the same, not everyone is as mentally strong as the next person. Cut that sh!t out.

I hate to see other people looking down on others over a decision that the person had to make. It's just not fair to start with all the "SUICIDE IS STUPID, THAT GUY IS WEAK!!!!"

BTW, I am in no way supporting suicide, it's the extreme of the extreme and should only be the last resort, hell, it shouldn't even be a resort, but I'm not going to sit here and look down on someone for taking their own life. It's their life and their choice.

[Abd El-Krim]

you fell for my trap.

so what you are confirming is that you do have Asberger's Syndrome? I suspected as much. Thank you sir, case closed.


Clever trap. Is this another one?

[RidonKs]

i have no recollection of posting in this thread.