Zach Randolph on Elton Brand: "He ain't better than me"

[HaNdLe ThE RoCk]

Asked whether he was comfortable trying to fill the shoes left by Elton Brand, Randolph laughed, then confidently said, "Shoot, he ain't better than me. He ain't better than me."

http://www.dailynews.com/sports/ci_11067360

Zach's confidence level is crazy. Offensively Z-Bo's a beast but Elton is a better defender by far.


Discuss

[starface]

Z-Bo has clearly been rocking Swagger from Old Spice.

[craiye]

http://www.dailynews.com/sports/ci_11067360

Zach's confidence level is crazy. Offensively Z-Bo's a beast but Elton is a better defender by far.


Discuss

:roll:

I'll believe it when the Clipps make the playoffs and advance to the second round. This squad has as much talent as the Clipps team a few years ago that did that (especially if they can turn Camby or Kaman into a quality SG) except they aren't gelling well. ZBO isn't going to help that with his black-hole mindset and poor shot selection.

[HaNdLe ThE RoCk]

Yeah, Z-Bo just went swag

[qrich]

One thing is for sure, Zach at least has more confidence and is more vocal then Elton ever was. Offensively, Zach is better, but the gap on the defensive side of the ball is bigger.




I'll believe it when the Clipps make the playoffs and advance to the second round. This squad has as much talent as the Clipps team a few years ago that did that (especially if they can turn Camby or Kaman into a quality SG) except they aren't gelling well. ZBO isn't going to help that with his black-hole mindset and poor shot selection.

Sam Cassell was the reason the Clippers turned things around, not Elton....

[ihatetimthomas]

Its always good to have confidence but over confidence can be a detriment. No chance he is better than Brand. Maybe slightly offensively but he has to know why his names have been in trade talks ever since arriving to NY. And he has to realize there is a reason no one wanted his ass. But I like his confidence as long as it doesnt go to his head.

[HaNdLe ThE RoCk]

20/10 this year so far.

I've watched all of NYK's game and Zach was slowing becoming my favorite player. The only bad thing was obviously his defense. Plays with heart though and he'll be a beast on the glass

Dude is going to give you 100%

[baseketball4life]

Zbo can ball, he is really underrated. who gives a flying fluck about D when he can put up 21-23 pts a night with 11-12 rebs, while sprinkling in some threes. Not to mention he shoots great from FT for a big.

[HaNdLe ThE RoCk]

Zbo can ball, he is really underrated. who gives a flying fluck about D when he can put up 21-23 pts a night with 11-12 rebs, while sprinkling in some threes. Not to mention he shoots great from FT for a big.


LOL, that's why other PF's assasin him. He's gotta play D

[qrich]

Zbo can ball, he is really underrated. who gives a flying fluck about D when he can put up 21-23 pts a night with 11-12 rebs, while sprinkling in some threes. Not to mention he shoots great from FT for a big.

And the opposing PF drops 20 himself and cancels out Zach. Thats the key problem right there.

[04mzwach]

Zach is pretty confident and also OFFENSE minded. Some players like to look at one side of the court more than the other. That is what I think Zach likes to do. Zach is a better rebounder than Brand too.

I think Brand is kind of declining now that he is older. Maybe not as much as if he was 35, but he isn't the same player he was a couple years ago. Injuries?

Zach still isn't better at this point than Brand...maybe in value of tomorrow? No telling... (I know they're not that different age-wise)

[craiye]

Sam Cassell was the reason the Clippers turned things around, not Elton....

I never said that Elton was the reason the Clipps turned around, however Brand WAS the focal point of the offense that year. How do you think they would have fared with ZBO in his place?

Brand at least passes the ball, doesn't chuck up bad 3s and gets back to play defense. There's no WAY the Clippers would have made it to the playoffs with ZBO in Brand's place that year. Of course, they wouldn't have without Cassell either.

The thing is, they have a very capable PG in Baron this year, so if Zach really wants to prove himself as better than Brand, he has the opportunity. I just don't see it happening (or coming anywhere close to happening).

[ihatetimthomas]

Zbo can ball, he is really underrated. who gives a flying fluck about D when he can put up 21-23 pts a night with 11-12 rebs, while sprinkling in some threes. Not to mention he shoots great from FT for a big.

lol. Defense wins championships man. If your bigs cant defend, you will get very very exposed in a playoff series. Defensive liabilities become very apparant in the playoffs. Unless you have a great team D, then you will struggle

[RAPSCANWIN]

And the opposing PF drops 20 himself and cancels out Zach. Thats the key problem right there.


That happens with Brand as well.

You have to give Zach credit. His stats are great and through all the bad stuff in NY, I don't remember hearing too much about this bad attitude he supposedly brings to a team. Far as i can tell, he acted professionally through his whole time as a Knick.

[starface]

20/10 this year so far.

I've watched all of NYK's game and Zach was slowing becoming my favorite player. The only bad thing was obviously his defense. Plays with heart though and he'll be a beast on the glass

Dude is going to give you 100%


yeah, it's funny cause Zach has always been one of those players that I've been inexplicably drawn to watching. He doesn't look like he should be able to do a lot of things he does, and not only that but he does them so effortlessly.

He never looks emotional or fired up after he makes a big or difficult shot, he just goes on to the next play like nothing happened. At the same time, he never appears upset or distraut after he completely screws something up. He just goes with the flow and plays his game and thats it.

I dunno man. On paper it seems like this should be a big boost for the Clippers. But in reality it's hard to justifiably believe that on the court a guy like Zach Randolph is gonna suddenly have the impact to make them relevant. Either way it will at least be really interesting to watch.

[dbugz]

I think Brand is kind of declining now that he is older. Maybe not as much as if he was 35, but he isn't the same player he was a couple years ago. Injuries?



Agreed, and still other posters here are still insisting that E. Brand is still a top 5 PF.. :roll:

[Smokee]

Brand is way overhyped by general NBA fans. People put him on a franchise level pedestal when he's undeserving of it. He can't carry a team night in and night out, while everyone tends to pretend he can for some reason :ohwell:

ZBo is probably a little bit underrated by people here at ISH.

So theres some truth to what ZBo said, especially when it comes to this forum and the perceptions.

[dbugz]

Brand is way overhyped by general NBA fans. People put him on a franchise level pedestal when he's undeserving of it. He can't carry a team night in and night out, while everyone tends to pretend he can for some reason :ohwell:



QFT :applause: :applause:

[DTD]

"Elton Brand isn't better than me, anyway," he said, playfully....

"I'm real bummed," he said. "I don't like sitting around. I haven't played since . . . the last game I played was Tuesday in Boston. That'll be a week ago [today].

"Finding out you can't play just sucks the life out of you. I was talking to my girl. Talking about how mad I was. I was yelling at her, telling her how frustrated I was."

For the record, he was smiling and joking about yelling.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/printedition/la-sp-clippers25-2008nov25,0,7272386.story

[bagelred]

Brand is way overhyped by general NBA fans. People put him on a franchise level pedestal when he's undeserving of it. He can't carry a team night in and night out, while everyone tends to pretend he can for some reason :ohwell:

ZBo is probably a little bit underrated by people here at ISH.

So theres some truth to what ZBo said, especially when it comes to this forum and the perceptions.

Cosign

[loot]

I'd ship his ass out for Adam Morrison for making such dumb statements.

[Posterize246]

In their head-to-head matchup this year

Elton Brand

31 mins
24 pts
14 rebs
2 assists
3 blocks
12-19 fg

Zach Randolph

30 mins
12 pts
7 rebs
2 assists
0 blocks
5-19 fg

Sixers won 116-87. Randolph's got balls for that comment.

[loot]

So theres some truth to what ZBo said, especially when it comes to this forum and the perceptions.


What kind of dumb post is that? :confusedshrug: Like ish has anything to do with the overrating Zach does himself?

[Posterize246]

This makes the Sixers @ Clippers game on new year's eve that much more exciting

[ihatetimthomas]

Brand is way overhyped by general NBA fans. People put him on a franchise level pedestal when he's undeserving of it. He can't carry a team night in and night out, while everyone tends to pretend he can for some reason :ohwell:

ZBo is probably a little bit underrated by people here at ISH.

So theres some truth to what ZBo said, especially when it comes to this forum and the perceptions.

I dont think he is a franchise player. But I do think he is a better number 2 guy over Zach. Brand is not an offensive juggernaut so he isnt going to be able to carry to load night in and night out. But he can do everything above average. He can anchor your D and has a nice midrange game.

[loot]

I dont think he is a franchise player. But I do think he is a better number 2 guy over Zach. Brand is not an offensive juggernaut so he isnt going to be able to carry to load night in and night out. But he can do everything above average. He can anchor your D and has a nice midrange game.
Given the right system Brand can score just as many points as Zach.

[ihatetimthomas]

Given the right system Brand can score just as many points as Zach.

i wasnt comparing their scoring nor did i say he wasnt capable of scoring what Zach does. Just saying that he is a superior #2 option to Zach

[loot]

i wasnt comparing their scoring nor did i say he wasnt capable of scoring what Zach does. Just saying that he is a superior #2 option to Zach

Didnt say you said so, it was just an addition to a good point.

[Dizzle-2k7]

The west was nowhere near as brutal back then as it is now... to say that ZBO needs to advance to the 2nd round or better to prove his worth is wrong. Shoot, for most of Elton's time in LA, the lakers, nuggets, hornets, blazers, and jazz were all horrible teams.

[ALBballer]

Elton Brand is better then Randolph in almost all aspects of the game of Basketball. Randolph go eat a d-ck!

[willds09]

This season hands down zbo is better than brand offensively, on defense yea hate to admit it but I give that to brand.

[Mississippi]

In their head-to-head matchup this year

Elton Brand

31 mins
24 pts
14 rebs
2 assists
3 blocks
12-19 fg

Zach Randolph

30 mins
12 pts
7 rebs
2 assists
0 blocks
5-19 fg

Sixers won 116-87. Randolph's got balls for that comment.
Yep but the sixers still stink. Augustin and Felton went crazy on them last night. :oldlol:

[Posterize246]

Yep but the sixers still stink. Augustin and Felton went crazy on them last night. :oldlol:
Just curious...do you even have a team?

[loot]

This season hands down zbo is better than brand offensively, on defense yea hate to admit it but I give that to brand.

ehm... anybody in a D'antoni system will put up more points than in any other system. the sixers system currently doesnt work too good, playing half court set ups, with pick & rolls, especially if you have a pg who doesnt get the concept of pick & roll and doesnt have the qualities to make it a success.

so no, scoring more points doesnt perse say someone is better offensively.:rolleyes:

[bagelred]

I've been saying for a long time Elton Brand is one of the most overrated players in the NBA. In nine seasons, Brand's teams made the playoffs ONE TIME. Give me a break.

And Philly's off to a mediocre start....

I'm tired of hearing about these "stars" that can't help their teams win. Yet they keep collecting the megaCash.

Elton Brand will be one of those forgettable stars we talk about. Once he retires, you'll never think about him again.........

[loot]

I've been saying for a long time Elton Brand is one of the most overrated players in the NBA. In nine seasons, Brand's teams made the playoffs ONE TIME. Give me a break.

And Philly's off to a mediocre start....

I'm tired of hearing about these stars that can't help their teams win. Yet they keep collecting the megaCash.

I'm tired of posters who don't watch a game and still judge a team/player. How many games did you see by the Sixers? If there's one player who doesnt deserve blame on that squad it is Brand (or Young).

How is Brand overrated? By coaches and fans who got him two All Star berths? Bacause he has an All NBA second team appearance? Because he was on the all rookie team and co-rookie of the year?

That's all the official recognition this career 20/10/2+ player has gotten. The only time EVER Brand was overrated by many people was in 05-06 when people mentioned him as MVP candidate.At no point in time did loads of people overrate him.

[craiye]

The west was nowhere near as brutal back then as it is now... to say that ZBO needs to advance to the 2nd round or better to prove his worth is wrong. Shoot, for most of Elton's time in LA, the lakers, nuggets, hornets, blazers, and jazz were all horrible teams.

This is simply not true. Sure, last year's West was better but not this year. In 2005/2006 it took 44 wins to secure a playoff spot. I'd expect about the same this year.

Just because the Hornets and Blazers were worse than doesn't mean it was weaker than. The Grizzlies were much, much better (49 wins) as were the Mavs (60 wins) and the Kings (44 wins). The Jazz were still an okay team with 41 wins. I think we'll see that this year's west will be on par with the 2005/2006 season.

With the talent on the Clippers team they should be able to contend for a playoff birth. That alone would make me think Zach may be on the same level as Brand. Until then he's not.

[Hawker]

Zbo can ball, he is really underrated. who gives a flying fluck about D when he can put up 21-23 pts a night with 11-12 rebs, while sprinkling in some threes. Not to mention he shoots great from FT for a big.

You're smarter than this bb4life.

[VCMVP1551]

Brand's best season
24.7 ppg, 10.0 rpg, 2.6 apg, 2.5 bpg, 1.0 spg, 52.7 FG%, 77.5 FT%, 47 wins, 2nd round

Brand's career
20.2 ppg, 10.2 rpg, 2.6 apg, 2.0 bpg, 0.9 spg, 50.3 FG%, 73.8 FT%
1999-2000 Rookie Of The Year
2-time all-star
2006 all-nba second team

Randolph's best season
23.6 ppg, 10.1 rpg, 2.2 apg, 0.2 bpg, 0.8 spg, 46.7 FG%, 81.9 FT%, 32 wins

Randolph's career
16.4 ppg, 8.2 rpg, 1.6 apg, 0.2 bpg, 0.7 spg, 46.4 FG%, 77.6 FT%
2003-2004 Most Improved Player

Since Randolph started playing significant minutes, his team has never made the playoffs.

The stats also only begin to tell how much better Brand's defense is, how much higher his basketball IQ is and how much better his passing ability is.

As someone else said, Randolph's current supporting cast is easily comparable to Brand's 2005-2006 team. Lets see if he can accomplish near what Brand did.

Brand nearly made it to the Western Conference Finals and he got a lot of MVP consideration.

[omarnyc]

i agree wit zbo

[willds09]

ehm... anybody in a D'antoni system will put up more points than in any other system. the sixers system currently doesnt work too good, playing half court set ups, with pick & rolls, especially if you have a pg who doesnt get the concept of pick & roll and doesnt have the qualities to make it a success.

so no, scoring more points doesnt perse say someone is better offensively.:rolleyes:
Elton brand this year, THIS YEAR is no way better than him reguardless on what teams they play on, so I guess kwame brown would score 20 points and 20 rebounds in coach d's system??? I don't think so.

[bagelred]

That's all the official recognition this career 20/10/2+ player has gotten. The only time EVER Brand was overrated by many people was in 05-06 when people mentioned him as MVP candidate.At no point in time did loads of people overrate him.

I see. But Randolph is a 20/10/2 player and he's garbage right?

Obviously Brand is a great player, but until someone, you know, actually BRINGS THEIR TEAM INTO THE PLAYOFFS (besides once), then maybe we shouldn't go orgasmic every time Brand's name is mentioned.


OMG....Elton Brand.......(orgasm).......


I just think there are certain franchise players you win with and other franchise players you don't. Brand seems to be a franchise player you don't win with. So why pay him max money?

Knicks did right thing, get rid of high priced players you won't win with, and hold out for the top prizes. Maybe Philly should have done the same....maybe......

[loot]

With the talent on the Clippers team they should be able to contend for a playoff birth. That alone would make me think Zach may be on the same level as Brand. Until then he's not.


talent does not equal wins. the squad with miles, rich, maggs, miller, brand, odom had loads of talent, but its not a team.

construct a team the right way and they'll win. sam cassel was the first and only pick & roll player brand ever played with.

[loot]

Elton brand this year, THIS YEAR is no way better than him reguardless on what teams they play on, so I guess kwame brown would score 20 points and 20 rebounds in coach d's system??? I don't think so.

stephen jackson and jamal crawford are better offensive players than iverson, pierce and paul, right?

[ihatetimthomas]

Didnt say you said so, it was just an addition to a good point.

gotcha and agreed

[craiye]

I see. But Randolph is a 20/10/2 player and he's garbage right?

Okay, 20 points, 10 rebounds and 2 what? Ill advised 3 point shots? Turn overs? Personal fouls?

It sure as hell isn't blocks or assists, so I'm assuming it's one of the above.

Those two blocks/game that Brand gives you (along with his good man-man defense) is a big difference to the zero defense that ZBO brings to the table.

[Sharas]

Me on this comment: "Oh yes he is."

really no other way to put it.

[ihatetimthomas]

Okay, 20 points, 10 rebounds and 2 what? Ill advised 3 point shots? Turn overs? Personal fouls?

It sure as hell isn't blocks or assists, so I'm assuming it's one of the above.

Those two blocks/game that Brand gives you (along with his good man-man defense) is a big difference to the zero defense that ZBO brings to the table.

Its not even about the stats and 2 blocks. Its just his overall defense. He can guard elite bigs and does it througout the game. Those things cant be measured in mere stats. Zach puts up great stats, but also allows others to go off as well.

[craiye]

talent does not equal wins. the squad with miles, rich, maggs, miller, brand, odom had loads of talent, but its not a team.

construct a team the right way and they'll win. sam cassel was the first and only pick & roll player brand ever played with.

Oh, I agree - the Clippers are just a mess right now. ZBO isn't going to really help matters IMO. My point is, if he is going to yap like this, the only way to back it up is with wins. The talent is there, he's just got to shut up and win.

Of course, there's more to it than ZBO. Dunleavy and Baron aren't getting along. There's a lot of new faces and it'll take some time for everyone to gel. I don't think they'll get anywhere this year, but if they can turn one of their Cs into a SG and take the offseason to fine tune things, then Zach should have a chance to prove himself next season.

[loot]

I see. But Randolph is a 20/10/2 player and he's garbage right?

Obviously Brand is a great player, but until someone, you know, actually BRINGS THEIR TEAM INTO THE PLAYOFFS (besides once), then maybe we shouldn't go orgasmic every time Brand's name is mentioned.


OMG....Elton Brand.......(orgasm).......


I just think there are certain franchise players you win with and other franchise players you don't. Brand seems to be a franchise player you don't win with. So why pay him max money?

Knicks did right thing, get rid of high priced players you won't win with, and hold out for the top prizes. Maybe Philly should have done the same....maybe......

the only 2 in zach's statline is 2 to's. im talking about 20 pts, 10 reb and 2 blks, for his career. zach? 2 to's and 40 points allowed. he's a very bad defender posting nice numbers on offense.


and point out all these people you talk about having brand-orgasms? i dont see them. you claim it's a recurring theme on ish and in general. point them out, really. i just showed you brand is not overrated by peers, coahces or general public by posting his awards/selections.


who says brand is a franchise player? don't bring up contract $$$$ because we all know the amounts of money being thrown at players is ridicilous nowadays. you know what bogut, arenas, maggete etc get, then dont act like youre urprised brand gets his. and even then, you do realize theres a difference between being overrated and being overpaid (getting market value is a better way to say that).


and please explain why you think maybe philly should have held out for the top prizes, when their whole team is built in win now mode? do you feel like the clippers shouldnt have traded for zach and instead should have waited for 2010?

this whole wait for 2010 and aim for one of the 4 big names on the market hype is getting old real quick.

[Posterize246]

Whether you think Brand is overrated/overpayed/overhyped etc....he's still better than Randolph.

[bagelred]

Okay, 20 points, 10 rebounds and 2 what? Ill advised 3 point shots? Turn overs? Personal fouls?

It sure as hell isn't blocks or assists, so I'm assuming it's one of the above.

Those two blocks/game that Brand gives you (along with his good man-man defense) is a big difference to the zero defense that ZBO brings to the table.

Hmmmmm.....I guess just not this year. CBSSportsline rankings, which include defensive statistics.

http://i34.tinypic.com/3356s7c.png

Looks like Zach's hitting his free throws too. Ouch....that's gotta hurt Elton Brand......(orgasm)......

[loot]

Oh, I agree - the Clippers are just a mess right now. ZBO isn't going to really help matters IMO. My point is, if he is going to yap like this, the only way to back it up is with wins. The talent is there, he's just got to shut up and win.

Of course, there's more to it than ZBO. Dunleavy and Baron aren't getting along. There's a lot of new faces and it'll take some time for everyone to gel. I don't think they'll get anywhere this year, but if they can turn one of their Cs into a SG and take the offseason to fine tune things, then Zach should have a chance to prove himself next season.
another ill advised construction for the clippers. you get bd who is a running gunner, then you get camby (ok he was cheap but still) who is not a runner, to play alongside your center? randolph at least looked good in dantoni's system, but i doubt he'll survive in dunny's.

i dont see the big plan for the clippers, and the way they went after names on the free agent market this summer indicated they were indeed without a clear blueprint.

[loot]

Hmmmmm.....I guess just not this year. CBSSportsline rankings, which include defensive statistics.

http://i34.tinypic.com/3356s7c.png
did you miss the point about cetrain systems being easier to put up stats in? im sure you didnt. do we have a antwan jamison sighting there? and nene? they must be better than brand, no?

totally useless post anyway since it doesnt prove craiye's post to be wrong either way.

go watch a sixers game. just one and you'll see why it's dumb to come up with stats when comparing brand and zbo this year.

[ihatetimthomas]

another ill advised construction for the clippers. you get bd who is a running gunner, then you get camby (ok he was cheap but still) who is not a runner, to play alongside your center? randolph at least looked good in dantoni's system, but i doubt he'll survive in dunny's.

i dont see the big plan for the clippers, and the way they went after names on the free agent market this summer indicated they were indeed without a clear blueprint.

It looks like they are making deals just to make deals. Something like what teh Knicks were doing under Isiah (although not nearly as horrible). But it looks like they are just stock piling talent, but those players dont necessarily play well together or fit each others style. Its good that they are actively trying to make their team better, but not sure they are really thinking things through thoroughly.

[bagelred]

did you miss the point about cetrain systems being easier to put up stats in? im sure you didnt.

Awwwwwwww.....sniff sniff........excuses?........don't worry, i'm sure the money Sixers dealt out will be worthy of Elton Brand.....(orgasm)......


I need a cigarette.

[bagelred]

did you miss the point about cetrain systems being easier to put up stats in? im sure you didnt. do we have a antwan jamison sighting there? and nene? they must be better than brand, no?

totally useless post anyway since it doesnt prove craiye's post to be wrong either way.

go watch a sixers game. just one and you'll see why it's dumb to come up with stats when comparing brand and zbo this year.

I bet you didn't watch one Knicks game this year. You would have seen that Randolph's defense is much improved. He just doesn't have the lateral quickness or jumping ability to defend the quick 4's.

But heh, Zacks' all bad and can't compete with the greatness of Brand....(orgasm).

[loot]

Awwwwwwww.....sniff sniff........excuses?........don't worry, i'm sure the money Sixers dealt out will be worthy of Elton Brand.....(orgasm)......


I need a cigarette.


All of a sudden it's an excuse when someone points out a player in D'Antoni's system can put up better/higher stats than a player in a Mo Cheeks half court pick & roll set up?

And where's the orgasm? You must not be able to recognize one...

[loot]

I bet you didn't watch one Knicks game this year. You would have seen that Randolph's defense is much improved. He just doesn't have the lateral quickness or jumping ability to defend the quick 4's.

But heh, Zacks' all bad and can't compete with the greatness of Brand....(orgasm).


Actually as a big fan of Chandler watched quite a few, and Zach Randolph's defense hasn't changed anything. Point out what has changed please? The fact he's prevented some subpar centers from scoring? He's still a bad defender.

I'll ignore the second alinea. You're better than that.:confusedshrug: If I remember correctly.

[ihatetimthomas]

I bet you didn't watch one Knicks game this year. You would have seen that Randolph's defense is much improved. He just doesn't have the lateral quickness or jumping ability to defend the quick 4's.

But heh, Zacks' all bad and can't compete with the greatness of Brand....(orgasm).

No ones is saying Zach is all bad. Just that overall, Brands game is superior. Brand is not the offensive player Zach is. But, he can still hold his own and man up on the other end of the court. Thats the point. His D will be of much help come playoff time over Zachs offense. Brands offense is betetr than Zachs defense.

I never thought Zach was horrible, i even made a thread a while back saying he was underrated here, but you ask any GM around the league and I bet they all say they would want Brand because he is the more versatile forward

[bagelred]

Actually as a big fan of Chandler watched quite a few, and Zach Randolph's defense hasn't changed anything. Point out what has changed please? The fact he's prevented some subpar centers from scoring? He's still a bad defender.

I'll ignore the second alinea. You're better than that.:confusedshrug: If I remember correctly.

Look, I like Brand, he's obviously a great player, but the love he gets vs. the hate Randolph gets is ridiculous. They are comparable players, both overpaid, Brand's a better defender sure, but let's keep it in perspective......

[willds09]

stephen jackson and jamal crawford are better offensive players than iverson, pierce and paul, right?
I compared zbo to kwame, crawford and stephen jackson aren't scrubs, that's a big @ss difference, a scrub if u don't know, is someone like mardy collins or mason jr.

[loot]

Look, I like Brand, he's obviously a great player, but the love he gets vs. the hate Randolph gets is ridiculous. They are comparable players, both overpaid, Brand's a better defender sure, but let's keep it in perspective......
Goodf thing you showed you can write a normal post too, thanks. So becuase people are laughing at the notion Zbo thinks Brand isn't better than him, equals them aving orgasms? Equals your posts?

[loot]

I compared zbo to darko, jamal crawford and stephen jackson aren't scrubs, that's a big @ss difference, a scrub if u don't know, is someone like mardy collins or singleton.
totally missed the point. never mind.


besides you said kwame brown, not darko. just goes to show you how much thought you put into the things your post. awfull.

[bagelred]

Goodf thing you showed you can write a normal post too, thanks. So becuase people are laughing at the notion Zbo thinks Brand isn't better than him, equals them aving orgasms? Equals your posts?

Well I don't think its ridiculous having Brand and Randolph being compared. I don't agree Randolph is as good, but I don't think its ridiculous that Randolph has confidence in himself to feel he's just as good.

[loot]

Well I don't think its ridiculous having Brand and Randolph being compared. I don't agree Randolph is as good, but I don't think its ridiculous that Randolph has confidence in himself to feel he's just as good.
Comparing doesn't matter, as long as your hypothesis is realistic.

[willds09]

totally missed the point. never mind.


besides you said kwame brown, not darko. just goes to show you how much thought you put into the things your post. awfull.
I know what u are saying, but zbo is better than him in 08-09 so far, and that's a fact, plus if u knew how to read, u would see that I edit my post, I guess ur the one that's awful tisk-tisk.

[Younggrease]

Well I don't think its ridiculous having Brand and Randolph being compared. I don't agree Randolph is as good, but I don't think its ridiculous that Randolph has confidence in himself to feel he's just as good.

If randolph though Brand was better then him I would lose respect for him as a basketball player...Thats not the mindset that works and that sure as hell isnt the mindset that him to starter in the NBA..

[loot]

I know what u are saying, but zbo is better than him in 08-09 so far, and that's a fact, plus if u knew how to read, u would see that I edit my post, I guess ur the one that's awful tisk-tisk.



oh god...

[dbugz]

just accept the fact that Brand already past his prime due to his age and injuries and would not be able to surpass and duplicate his 05-06 performance! So stop posting on this board that he's still a top 5 PF! and pls. stop making excuses!

[loot]

just accept the fact that Brand already past his prime due to his age and injuries and would not be able to surpass and duplicate his 05-06 performance! So stop posting on this board that he's still a top 5 PF! and pls. stop making excuses!
who posted that in this thread?

oh wait youre just that little kid who tries to annoy, pops up anywhere, but even fails at annoying

[dbugz]

who posted that in this thread?

oh wait youre just that little kid who tries to annoy, pops up anywhere, but even fails at annoying


I said on this board stup!d.

Just answer this.. Is brand still a top 5 pf? :oldlol:

[ihatetimthomas]

I said on this board stup!d.

Just answer this.. Is brand still a top 5 pf? :oldlol:

who the hell said he was?

[dbugz]

who the hell said he was?


ask loot :roll: :roll:

[Posterize246]

I said on this board stup!d.

Just answer this.. Is brand still a top 5 pf? :oldlol:
Garnett
Duncan
Chris Bosh
Stoudemire


5th spot goes to Brand, Dirk, or Gasol. I'd go with Dirk, then Brand, then Gasol. Ahhh...forgot Booz.

[loot]

I said on this board stup!d.

Just answer this.. Is brand still a top 5 pf? :oldlol:


You have spent 338 posts on this forum talking to me, let me spent one on you:

pf's who have been playing better than Brand so far this season: Amare, Bosh, KG, Jefferson, Boozer, Duncan.

Now stop humping my leg.

[EricGordon23]

I like that kind of confidence and ZBo does have better offensive attributes then brand IMO. Also he may lack D but he will get Help side D from Camby or Kaman who ever is on the court with him. Yeah he sucks at D but honestly with Camby and Kaman's help i am sure it will be fine.

[oldenpolynice]

http://www.dailynews.com/sports/ci_11067360

Zach's confidence level is crazy. Offensively Z-Bo's a beast but Elton is a better defender by far.


Discuss

All I know is I've never seen Elton Brand do this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lvYf08X6tc

[craiye]

All I know is I've never seen Elton Brand do this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lvYf08X6tc
:oldlol:

I thought about searching for that vid and posting it, but I wasn't motivated enough. Classic ZBO.

[bdreason]

I'll take Brand 10 times out of 10.

[qrich]

I never said that Elton was the reason the Clipps turned around, however Brand WAS the focal point of the offense that year. How do you think they would have fared with ZBO in his place?



Would have fared the same, I see little reason as to why not. In fact, I think we would have had a better advantage against the Suns as Elton wasn't able to do what he should have against Boris ****ing Diaw guarding him. Focal point of the offense was Sam Cassell and his play making abilities, not Elton. Sam I Am is the sole reason Clips were nearly in the WCF.


That happens with Brand as well.


Not as often as it does with Zach. This year though, Elton has been terrible.


Brand is way overhyped by general NBA fans. People put him on a franchise level pedestal when he's undeserving of it. He can't carry a team night in and night out, while everyone tends to pretend he can for some reason

I disagree, he was pretty underrated, just been underachieving thus far. Greatly agree on the fact he is a horrible leader.


In their head-to-head matchup this year

Career matchup:
Zach: 12.7/7.6/1.8 in 26.4 per.
Elton: 17.7/8.8/2.9 in 37.8 per.

Thats 5 points, 1.2 boards, 1.1 dimes more in 11+ minutes more.

[vinsane01]

Its always good to see players feel good about themselves..but you got to put your money where your mouth is.

[bagelred]

How ya like me now?!

[Bigsmoke]

why upping a thread when one player is in his prime and the other one isnt?

you should have upped the one when dude said he was better than Chris Bosh.

[bagelred]

why upping a thread when one player is in his prime and the other one isnt?

you should have upped the one when dude said he was better than Chris Bosh.

Elton Brand - born 1979
Zach Randolph - born 1981

[Bigsmoke]

Elton Brand - born 1979
Zach Randolph - born 1981
lol Kidd and Nash are only one year apart...

Elton Brand started playing heavy minutes earlier in his career than Zach.

[bagelred]

lol Kidd and Nash are only one year apart...

And?

[Fazotronic]

How ya like me now?!

what has "now" to do with what "than" was?

[bagelred]

what has "now" to do with what "than" was?

than and now

[Clippersfan86]

Elton Brand - born 1979
Zach Randolph - born 1981

Get back to me when Zach Randolph blows his Achilles Tendon and has a severe separated shoulder. Not to mention Brand plays a much more physical style of basketball and was expected to decline quicker anyways. Zach Randolph is physical but unlike Brand who relied heavily on strength and quickness Zach is a high skill player.

Just like Dirk and Ginobili are already nearly 34 and still elite players. Skill based players age better than physical based ones. Reality is Zach lasted longer... but Brand no question sh**s on Zbo in his prime.

[bagelred]

Get back to me when Zach Randolph blows his Achilles Tendon and has a severe separated shoulder. Not to mention Brand plays a much more physical style of basketball and was expected to decline quicker anyways. Zach Randolph is physical but unlike Brand who relied heavily on strength and quickness Zach is a high skill player.



:roll: I love it.

Zach was better 3 years ago too.

[ihatetimthomas]

At both of their peaks, I would take Brand because he was an elite 2 way player. Zach was better offensively, but Brand's ability defend heavily outweighed the disparity on offense. Brand was a beast defensively and he held his own offensively.

[Smoke117]

At both of their peaks, I would take Brand because he was an elite 2 way player. Zach was better offensively, but Brand's ability defend heavily outweighed the disparity on offense. Brand was a beast defensively and he held his own offensively.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

In what world was Zach Randolph ever better then Brand in 06 and 07 offensively? In those seasona he had finally gotten it all together: He had perfected his mid post shot, he had gotten himself in the best shape of his life and his game was at it's best it was ever at. Zach Randolph's game nor efficiency at any time now or ever has ever been at Elton Brands like it was in 06 or 07 or even years before that when he was more a bruiser but still more effective then the chucking Randolph. Save that bullshit for stupid people.

[RoseCity07]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

In what world was Zach Randolph ever better then Brand in 06 and 07 offensively? In those seasona he had finally gotten it all together: He had perfected his mid post shot, he had gotten himself in the best shape of his life and his game was at it's best it was ever at. Zach Randolph's game nor efficiency at any time now or ever has ever been at Elton Brands like it was in 06 or 07 or even years before that when he was more a bruiser but still more effective then the chucking Randolph. Save that bullshit for stupid people.

Randolph is a beast, and he doesn't even jump. Dudes midrange is damn decent and he kills with that lefty hook in the paint. I do not think I was every worried about Elton Brand in the same way I was about Randolph.

[Clippersfan86]

Randolph is a beast, and he doesn't even jump. Dudes midrange is damn decent and he kills with that lefty hook in the paint. I do not think I was every worried about Elton Brand in the same way I was about Randolph.

LOL. It's not about what us as fans worry about. Teams and players in the NBA knew Elton was more of a handful than Zbo.

Elton: 24.7 ppg, 10 rpg, 2.6 apg, 2.5 bpg on 53 percent shooting from the floor, 77.5 percent from the line. Excellent all around defense.

Zbo: 23.6 ppg, 10 rpg, 2.2 apg, .2 bpg on 46.7 percent shooting from the floor, 82 percent from the line. Very poor defender with a defensive rating of 109 vs Brand's 100.

Sad thing is if you look at metric stats like win shares... Zach's actually impacting the team negatively when he scores a bunch. His best win shares season was by far this last season and a 19 ppg season 3 years before his nearly 24 ppg season. It's troubling to me when your best player playing at his best= worse impact on team.

On the other side you look at Brand's elite year coming in the Clippers first playoff appearance in 9 years or w/e and it's clear Brand is more impactful. Not to mention statistically Brand kills Zach in efficiency and when you add that extra 2+ blocks with great man defense it's less of a comparison. I'd take older, gimpy Brand any year of his career over any Zbo besides the one from this last year where Zach looks like a completely new player/man.

[Big#50]

Randolph plays absolutely no D. Hate players like that.

[Darius]

:roll: I love it.

Zach was better 3 years ago too.

Monday morning quarterback much?

I seem to recall you desperate to unload the twin fatties (Zbo/Curry)

[Clippersfan86]

Randolph plays absolutely no D. Hate players like that.

Yup. Especially guys like Boozer and Randolph who are 9 year veterans and don't even try to play defense. At least other below average defending bigs like Griffin, Aldridge and Dirk put effort in defensively (they just aren't naturally great defenders). Randolph is a very lazy defender.

[qrich]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

In what world was Zach Randolph ever better then Brand in 06 and 07 offensively? In those seasona he had finally gotten it all together: He had perfected his mid post shot, he had gotten himself in the best shape of his life and his game was at it's best it was ever at. Zach Randolph's game nor efficiency at any time now or ever has ever been at Elton Brands like it was in 06 or 07 or even years before that when he was more a bruiser but still more effective then the chucking Randolph. Save that bullshit for stupid people.

Being one of the biggest Brand supporters on this board for years, Zach is a better offensive player, period. But that is ALL Zach has on Elton and the difference on defense >>> the difference on offense.

Brand was solid posting up until he starting hitting that jumpshot with Sammy, but Zach has a much bigger arsenal, more confidence on his play (as shown by not being afraid of taking the big shot) and was just as strong in the low post.

[Clippersfan86]

Being one of the biggest Brand supporters on this board for years, Zach is a better offensive player, period. But that is ALL Zach has on Elton and the difference on defense >>> the difference on offense.

Brand was solid posting up until he starting hitting that jumpshot with Sammy, but Zach has a much bigger arsenal, more confidence on his play (as shown by not being afraid of taking the big shot) and was just as strong in the low post.

Don't make the same mistake Melo fans make. More versatile offense doesn't mean better offense. Elton has the best peak scoring average, the higher career scoring average despite a few BAD seasons in a row now AND he's always been a more efficient scorer. Zach has better post moves and footwork but was NEVER more dangerous than Elton on the low block or in the paint. Zach's best in the mid-high post.

Not to mention Elton's playoff run in 06 was absolutely ELITE. Vs Phoenix the guy averaged 33 and 15 to go with 4 apg and nearly 4 blocks a game. Overall in the playoffs he put up 25.5 ppg, 10 rpg, 4 apg, 2.6 bpg on a crazy 55 percent shooting percentage despite shooting plenty of midrange jumpers. That's one of the best all around, most efficient PF seasons ever in a playoff run. That's Tim Duncan level just about.

I'm gonna be honest here. I pretty much hate Elton Brand but that being said I'm not going to let a bunch of people fabricate things about a player I watched play every single game. Nor try to pull some revisionist crap and claim Zbo was EVER better than prime Brand. The only all around better PF's than Brand at his peak were Duncan and KG. THAT'S IT. Not Chris Webber, not Zbo. Nobody else.

[bagelred]

Monday morning quarterback much?

I seem to recall you desperate to unload the twin fatties (Zbo/Curry)

Very true, but you still have to read the thread posts.

[Darius]

Very true, but you still have to read the thread posts.

Read thread posts? Like read more than the 1st post in the thread and the post I cherry-picked to quote and disagree with?

What is this? A sane and respectful meeting place for calm, logical adults to discuss basketball?


U MAD BRO??

:banana:

[bagelred]

Read thread posts? Like read more than the 1st post in the thread and the post I cherry-picked to quote and disagree with?

What is this? A sane and respectful meeting place for calm, logical adults to discuss basketball?


U MAD BRO??

:banana:

:banana: :banana:

[G-train]

Bad bump.

Randolph made a comment, and at the time he made it he was wrong.

He didn't say 'I will be better than him'. He said he already was, and he clearly wasn't at the time.

By the time he got to Memphis, he had had enough wake up calls. Plus Gasol hides his defensive inability, much like Chandler at Dallas with Dirk. Guys like that are what make the likes of Randolph winners.

Will be interesting to see how Randolph comes back after lockout, especially now that he has his extension.

[Clippersfan86]

Bad bump.

Randolph made a comment, and at the time he made it he was wrong.

He didn't say 'I will be better than him'. He said he already was, and he clearly wasn't at the time.

By the time he got to Memphis, he had had enough wake up calls. Plus Gasol hides his defensive inability, much like Chandler at Dallas with Dirk. Guys like that are what make the likes of Randolph winners.

Will be interesting to see how Randolph comes back after lockout, especially now that he has his extension.

:applause:

[RRR3]

Don't make the same mistake Melo fans make. More versatile offense doesn't mean better offense. Elton has the best peak scoring average, the higher career scoring average despite a few BAD seasons in a row now AND he's always been a more efficient scorer. Zach has better post moves and footwork but was NEVER more dangerous than Elton on the low block or in the paint. Zach's best in the mid-high post.

Not to mention Elton's playoff run in 06 was absolutely ELITE. Vs Phoenix the guy averaged 33 and 15 to go with 4 apg and nearly 4 blocks a game. Overall in the playoffs he put up 25.5 ppg, 10 rpg, 4 apg, 2.6 bpg on a crazy 55 percent shooting percentage despite shooting plenty of midrange jumpers. That's one of the best all around, most efficient PF seasons ever in a playoff run. That's Tim Duncan level just about.

I'm gonna be honest here. I pretty much hate Elton Brand but that being said I'm not going to let a bunch of people fabricate things about a player I watched play every single game. Nor try to pull some revisionist crap and claim Zbo was EVER better than prime Brand. The only all around better PF's than Brand at his peak were Duncan and KG. THAT'S IT. Not Chris Webber, not Zbo. Nobody else.

Why do you hate arguably the greatest player in your franchise's history? :wtf:

[Clippersfan86]

Why do you hate arguably the greatest player in your franchise's history? :wtf:

LOL! Do I need to explain? Guy all but promised fans he was returning to LA... we offered him the biggest contract possible and he bailed for the Sixers. Not like he left for an elite team. He left for a fringe playoff team. He straight up Boozer'd the Clippers.

[bagelred]

Bad bump.

Randolph made a comment, and at the time he made it he was wrong.

He didn't say 'I will be better than him'. He said he already was, and he clearly wasn't at the time.

By the time he got to Memphis, he had had enough wake up calls. Plus Gasol hides his defensive inability, much like Chandler at Dallas with Dirk. Guys like that are what make the likes of Randolph winners.

Will be interesting to see how Randolph comes back after lockout, especially now that he has his extension.

Clearly he was. You just didn't know it yet. :lol

I'd have to say this is the best bump ever. In the history of Western civili-thread creations. Completely unbiased.

[G-train]

Randolph right now isn't better than prime Brand.

[Smoke117]

Being one of the biggest Brand supporters on this board for years, Zach is a better offensive player, period. But that is ALL Zach has on Elton and the difference on defense >>> the difference on offense.

Brand was solid posting up until he starting hitting that jumpshot with Sammy, but Zach has a much bigger arsenal, more confidence on his play (as shown by not being afraid of taking the big shot) and was just as strong in the low post.

Sorry, he isn't. Randolph has always been terrible around the basket. He can grab the offensive rebounds but as far as actually finishing around the basket he's awful. I'll admit he's got a nice touch and shot in the the post and out to the mid range but it's the fact that he's a fat and has no athleticism and useless around the basket that pretty much keeps him from being a GREAT SCORER. One thing Brand was always was great around the basket. From the get go as a rookie he was great around the basket and while maybe not a go to scorer he could get you 18ppg.

As far as the shooting actually goes Brand actually developed a super deadly shot. It's what made him a go to scorer and an MVP candidate averaging 25ppg in the 2006 season. He had one of the best percentages as far as the mid post to mid range of any shooters of any sizes once he developed that shot in 05, 06, 07. Coupled with the fact that when he had lost the weight he was at the best he was ever at as far as putting it on the floor he was a great go to scorer before the achilles tendon injury and Randolph was frankly nowhere near Brand at his peak as a scorer.

[L.Kizzle]

I'll take the guy who owned the Spurs in the playoffs.

[Clippersfan86]

I'll take the guy who owned the Spurs in the playoffs.

A banged up Spurs team in the 1st round? You obviously didn't watch Brand play in the 06 playoffs.

[D.J.]

Randolph right now isn't better than prime Brand.


Agreed. Zach has more range and a nice jump shot, but Elton was clearly the better defender.

[D.J.]

I'll take the guy who owned the Spurs in the playoffs.


You mean owning a Spurs team consisting of 35 year old Duncan putting up less than 13 points a game, George Hill barely shooting 40% from the floor, and an injured Ginobili that missed a game?

[Clippersfan86]

You mean owning a Spurs team consisting of 35 year old Duncan putting up less than 13 points a game, George Hill barely shooting 40% from the floor, and an injured Ginobili that missed a game?

Exactly. I'm all for giving Zbo props for handling business in the playoffs but to make it sound like they beat a Spurs team that was anywhere near full strength is stupid sh**. If the Spurs were healthy I have 0 doubt in my mind they beat the Grizzlies in 6. They had multiple key players with nagging injuries.

[DaPerceive]

Current Zach was a better scorer and rebounder than prime Brand was, but prime Brand was much better defender than current Zach. I might have to go with Zach on this one. This is like comparing prime Karl Malone (Brand) to prime Charles Barkley (Randolph).

[Clippersfan86]

Current Zach was a better scorer and rebounder than prime Brand was, but prime Brand was much better defender than current Zach. I might have to go with Zach on this one. This is like comparing prime Karl Malone (Brand) to prime Charles Barkley (Randolph).

Brand had a higher peak scoring average AND has a higher career scoring average despite only putting up like 13 ppg last 2 seasons. Explain yourself. Also they are as close as possible when it comes to rebounding. Both their style, their skill on the offensive glass and all around rebounding are identical pretty much.

[DaPerceive]

Brand had a higher peak scoring average AND has a higher career scoring average despite only putting up like 13 ppg last 2 seasons. Explain yourself. Also they are as close as possible when it comes to rebounding. Both their style, their skill on the offensive glass and all around rebounding are identical pretty much.
There is a difference between prime and peak to me. Prime are the years when you performed at or close to their best. It can last from anywhere between 5 to 10 seasons. Peak is anywhere from 1 to 3 years or so where the player were at their absolute best. One part that gets really overlooked is the longevity OF the prime.

For example....

MJ's prime was probably from 87-97 but I think that his peak was from 89-92 and maybe 93.

I think peak Brand was better but I don't think prime Brand was better. 05-06 Brand was much better than any version of Zach Randolph, but if you look at any of the other years of Brand? I'll take Randolph.

I should have clarified.

[Clippersfan86]

There is a difference between prime and peak to me. Prime are the years when you performed at or close to their best. It can last from anywhere between 5 to 10 seasons. Peak is anywhere from 1 to 3 years or so where the player were at their absolute best. One part that gets really overlooked is the longevity OF the prime.

For example....

MJ's prime was probably from 87-97 but I think that his peak was from 89-92 and maybe 93.

I think peak Brand was better but I don't think prime Brand was better. 05-06 Brand was much better than any version of Zach Randolph, but if you look at any of the other years of Brand? I'll take Randolph.

I should have clarified.

The ultimate way to determine longevity isn't cherry picking seasons or debating what peak vs prime is. It's looking at their career stats. Brand has him beat in career scoring DESPITE the last 3 really bad scoring seasons for him and Zach's last 3 being good. So why would Zach be a better scorer?

If Brand didn't get those injuries he would likely still be an 18-20 ppg scorer like Zach the last 3 seasons and would have an even bigger edge in career scoring. Zach might be the more versatile and explosive scorer but he's less efficient and reliable than Elton Brand (before these last couple years).

[Bigsmoke]

I'll take the guy who owned the Spurs in the playoffs.

lol the Grizzlies "WANTED" to face the Spurs in the first round because they got their number. Duncan and Manu were both banged up and McDyess is old as shit.

Marc helped bu putting up 14ppg ans 12RPG and Tony Allen and Shane Battier were shutting down the Spurs' perimeter scorers.

Zack played well but he wasnt dominating Dirk style. 21.5 points and 9 rebounds is great but thats not what Dirk had vs the Thunder.

[RoseCity07]

LOL. It's not about what us as fans worry about. Teams and players in the NBA knew Elton was more of a handful than Zbo.

Elton: 24.7 ppg, 10 rpg, 2.6 apg, 2.5 bpg on 53 percent shooting from the floor, 77.5 percent from the line. Excellent all around defense.

Zbo: 23.6 ppg, 10 rpg, 2.2 apg, .2 bpg on 46.7 percent shooting from the floor, 82 percent from the line. Very poor defender with a defensive rating of 109 vs Brand's 100.

Sad thing is if you look at metric stats like win shares... Zach's actually impacting the team negatively when he scores a bunch. His best win shares season was by far this last season and a 19 ppg season 3 years before his nearly 24 ppg season. It's troubling to me when your best player playing at his best= worse impact on team.

On the other side you look at Brand's elite year coming in the Clippers first playoff appearance in 9 years or w/e and it's clear Brand is more impactful. Not to mention statistically Brand kills Zach in efficiency and when you add that extra 2+ blocks with great man defense it's less of a comparison. I'd take older, gimpy Brand any year of his career over any Zbo besides the one from this last year where Zach looks like a completely new player/man.

Yeah I think you're right. I judge zach differently though because for the most part I only see him beasting but losing to my team. Prime Brand is better. He was the star on that Clip team that almost beat the Suns. Underrated shot blocker.

[Clippersfan86]

Yeah I think you're right. I judge zach differently though because for the most part I only see him beasting but losing to my team. Prime Brand is better. He was the star on that Clip team that almost beat the Suns. Underrated shot blocker.

Yea don't get me wrong I like Zach. He has a fun game to watch and his footwork is unstoppable. I just think he's crazy to say Brand isn't better than him. He isn't more but in general Brand WAS the better player and 3 years ago was the better all around player by a small margin.

[Darius]

LOL! Do I need to explain? Guy all but promised fans he was returning to LA... we offered him the biggest contract possible and he bailed for the Sixers. Not like he left for an elite team. He left for a fringe playoff team. He straight up Boozer'd the Clippers.

And thank god he did.

Imagine if we had Baron and Brand right now instead of Blake Superior... :facepalm

[Clippersfan86]

And thank god he did.

Imagine if we had Baron and Brand right now instead of Blake Superior... :facepalm

Yup! I have no regrets at all. Since leaving he's been injury prone and inconsistent too. Blake Griffin makes the last 30 years of disappointment worth it.... if he turns into the player I think he can.

[bagelred]

Yup! I have no regrets at all. Since leaving he's been injury prone and inconsistent too. Blake Griffin makes the last 30 years of disappointment worth it.... if he turns into the player I think he can.

if blake gets injured then you could have another 30 years of disappointment. don't worry though. you'll get another great player in 2040.

[Clippersfan86]

if blake gets injured then you could have another 30 years of disappointment. don't worry though. you'll get another great player in 2040.

Way to be optimistic :mad: .

[bagelred]

Way to be optimistic :mad: .

I am optimistic....I'm optimistic Clippers will be cursed forever.

[martycrane]

I'd ship his ass out for Adam Morrison for making such dumb statements.


http://i1041.photobucket.com/albums/b420/LostSoul97/President-bush-orly.jpg

[martycrane]

I'd take older, gimpy Brand any year of his career over any Zbo besides the one from this last year where Zach looks like a completely new player/man.



Good news, maybe ur team can has him back again!






http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1977/amnesty_postcard.jpg
http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2008/0706/nba_g_brand_580.jpg

[baseketball4life]

looks like I was the first one to say ZoBo was better on the first page and I got roastedLOL.

[G-train]

looks like I was the first one to say ZoBo was better on the first page and I got roastedLOL.

Yep except you didn't say he was better. You just said Zbo was underrated.
And at the time, Zbo wasn't better.

:confusedshrug:

MY MAN BBALL FOR LIFE WASSUP BRO

[baseketball4life]

Yep except you didn't say he was better. You just said Zbo was underrated.
And at the time, Zbo wasn't better.

:confusedshrug:

MY MAN BBALL FOR LIFE WASSUP BRO
at the time he was, Elton Brand was terrible that year on Philly was his down fall.

Good to see you GTrain, wish we met in SF :cheers:

[Smoke117]

Elton Brand at his best shits on you Randolph, period. You tear your Achilles Heel than come back and talk shit. You were never nothing compared to Brand in 2005-2007.