McHale vs Barkley vs Malone vs Duncan vs Garnett vs Webber in their PRIMES

[Sir Charles]

1-BARKLEY
2-DUNCAN
3-MALONE
4-McHALE
5-GARNETT
6-WEBBER

[ruslan]

1-BARKLEY
2-DUNCAN
3-MALONE
4-McHALE
5-GARNETT
6-WEBBER

:roll: ofcourse u would put barkley:applause:

[Dizzle-2k7]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v685/freekdude/celebration16.jpg

[TmacsRockets]

1-DUNCAN
2-MALONE
3-GARNETT
4-McHALE
5-BARKLEY
6-WEBBER

[AItheAnswer3]

Sir Charles, you are pathetic. You're so insecure of people ranking Duncan over Barkley that you had to start a thread.

[west]

KG>McFail

[04mzwach]

1-BARKLEY
2-DUNCAN
3-MALONE
4-McHALE
5-GARNETT
6-WEBBER

DUNCAN
MCHALE
GARNETT
MALONE
WEBBER
BARKLEY :lol


























Nah, Charles goes #4

[SayTownRy]

in before charles barkley is better than duncan because he shoots threes and runs fast breaks.

[04mzwach]

How about an ISH vote for the #1 player or top 3...make your choice...

[miles berg]

1. Tim Duncan
2. Charles Barkley
3. Karl Malone
4. Kevin McHale

[Sir Charles]

You people still have not yet told me in what facet or skill of the game is Duncan better than Barkley at other than as Shot Blocker :confusedshrug:

Call me up when that happens and I will believe that Duncan was Better :oldlol:

[AItheAnswer3]

You people still have not yet told me in what facet or skill of the game is Duncan better than Barkley at other than as Shot Blocker :confusedshrug:

Call me up when that happens and I will believe that Duncan was Better :oldlol:

Any sane person wouldn't put Barkley above Duncan. No one really cares about your opinion since your bias towards Barkley is clearly obvious.

[Sneak]

You people still have not yet told me in what facet or skill of the game is Duncan better than Barkley
Winning

[ihatetimthomas]

You people still have not yet told me in what facet or skill of the game is Duncan better than Barkley at other than as Shot Blocker :confusedshrug:

Call me up when that happens and I will believe that Duncan was Better :oldlol:

Defense. Man and team defense

[Sir Charles]

Winning

Was Johan Cryff better than George Best because he played in the Mechanical Orange and Best in Wales?

Teams Win...not Single Players...:hammerhead: :(

[Showtime]

Malone got much of his status from solid play over a long period of time. I consider prime Webber to be on equal footing, if not better than Malone. Malone's career > Webber's, but Webber's prime > Malone's. I also think the gap between him and KG isn't as great as most consider now. Malone was a great talent, but Webber was cut down in his prime by injury and I think if he didn't, he would still be a top forward today.

[Sir Charles]

Defense. Man and team defense

Man to Man Defense in the Paint against non Barkley type players Tall Thin etc Yes I agree but Off His Man Defense and Away from the Paint Duncan is clumsy and slow. His SPG Avg is pathetic in his Prime 11 Years (and he has had a Great Cast all his life).

Even his Offensive Game is funny when he tries to Take a Man Off a Dribble he Travels Constantly and Never Gets Called for it. But then again its 2000s NBA Ball...Highschool Thug NBA Ball...not the superior time when Charles played....:oldlol:

[Garnett]

If Kevin Garnett has strong supporting casts he would of won more champions than Duncan, but Garnett doesn't have the luck like Duncan. Duncan is born a winner.

You can argue that Duncan is more clutch than Garnett, and Garnett often chokes at playoffs.

The reason is that Duncan came into the league into a playoff team, so playing in the playoff is natural for him, and he doesn't panic. It's like being scared of public speaking, but if you do it alot, you aren't scare anymore, now that's Duncan.

But Garnett came into a lottery team, and for him, getting into the playoffs is a dream come true. Of course he's going to treasure it, but he also has more to fear because playoffs is so rare for him, he's afraid he's going to lose. That's why, when you got more on the line, and when you have way more pressure, you choke. That's Garnett.

But skill wise and leadership Garnett > Duncan

Garnett is the main reason Boston had the biggest single season turnaround last year

[Showtime]

But skill wise and leadership Garnett > Duncan
No. KG doesn't have a low post game. Duncan does. Duncan in his prime could handle the rock to the extent he could face up forwards and beat them to the basket. Duncan was money from glass, and had a shot that was consistent from the top of the key. Duncan's defense is better than KG's, because he could guard smaller, mobile forwards (like David West and Brand) to Shaq. KG can guard the 3/4 positions, and is versatile because of his quickness and length, but I would take Duncan every time for post defense. I don't see how you could say KG is the more skilled player.

[Garnett]

have you ever seen Kevin Garnett post up? he's a beast in there, just as good as Duncan, but his weakness is that he likes to take jump shots

[Showtime]

have you ever seen Kevin Garnett post up? he's a beast in there, just as good as Duncan, but his weakness is that he likes to take jump shots
That's the POINT. He takes jump shots. He has no low post game. His move is to take a fade away, a turn around, or a one hander off the block. He shoots jumpers. He's nowhere near prime Duncan's post game. Enjoy your championship Mr. Nov 2008, and put the pipe down.

[Sneak]

Was Johan Cryff better than George Best because he played in the Mechanical Orange and Best in Wales?

Teams Win...not Single Players...:hammerhead: :(
To be honest with you, I only posted that to get a reaction.

Your Sir Charles agenda is boring and people should just stop replying. It's got to the point that you are virtually unable to post about ANYTHING without bringing Barkley into it.

I'm a big Barkley fan and enjoyed watching him play, but you're fast becoming like Kobe homers who make me want to dislike him in spite of his abilities.

[momo]

No.

[allball]

for my personal taste I would take McHale.

[rzp]

Duncan aka 4 rings






KG
Webber (Biased :D )
Malone
Barkley

[Horatio33]

Was Johan Cryff better than George Best because he played in the Mechanical Orange and Best in Wales?

George Best played for Northern Ireland buttmunch. what is the 'mechanical orange'?

[Horatio33]

Duncan
KG-Barkley
Mchale
Malone
Webber

[Garnett]

give KG ginobili, tony parker, and Robinson(earlier), KG would win more rings than Duncan

and besides, it doesn't matter if KG takes more jumpshots than post up, all that matters is that he scores, and that he wins.

[Showtime]

give KG ginobili, tony parker, and Robinson(earlier), KG would win more rings than Duncan

He most certainly wouldn't have won in 2003. There's no way KG beats the Lakers.


and besides, it doesn't matter if KG takes more jumpshots than post up, all that matters is that he scores, and that he wins.
It matters when the topic was his skills. The comment was that KG is more skilled than Timmy. Prime Duncan was more skilled than KG.

[Garnett]

KG in 2003 was in every way equal to Tim Duncan, some areas better

[SayTownRy]

KG in 2003 was in every way better than Tim Duncan

except:

scoring, fouling, blocking, offensive rebounding, FG%, and leading a team of these guys:

David Robinson (worn down) | Stephen Jackson (not the player he is now) | Malik Rose | Tony Parker (who got benched in the finals for speedy)| Emanuel Ginobili (no where near superstar status) | Bruce Bowen (still coming into his own) | Steve Smith | Speedy Claxton | Kevin Willis | Steve Kerr | Danny Ferry | Devin Brown | Anthony Goldwire | Mengke Bateer

to a championship.

[Showtime]

KG in 2003 was in every way better than Tim Duncan
Yet can't win without a great team. What Duncan did in 03 was something few have done. Many stars would consider even making the playoffs with that squad to be a significant achievement. Duncan won a ring and beat the Lakers with that team, which was inferior to KG's team when he made the WCF. KG is NOT the big game player Duncan is. KG is NOT as skilled as prime Timmy. KG is NOT better than Duncan. Get over it.

[godofgods]

You can argue that Duncan is more clutch than Garnett, and Garnett often chokes at playoffs.

The reason is that Duncan came into the league into a playoff team, so playing in the playoff is natural for him, and he doesn't panic.


No, Duncan came into a team that had a very lousy record. Not a playoff team.

[west]

Was Johan Cryff better than George Best because he played in the Mechanical Orange and Best in Wales?

Teams Win...not Single Players...:hammerhead: :(
you really think George Best better than Cryuff???he would have been,but he drink way to much:violin:

[godofgods]

As for the ranking:

1. Duncan
2. McHale
3. Barkley
4. KG
5. Malone
6. Webber

[Sir Charles]

George Best played for Northern Ireland buttmunch. what is the 'mechanical orange'?

Sorry true. Mechanical Orange was the Great Dutch National Team of the 70s Full of Stars. Best was better than Cryuff. So was Lato and Cubillas but they did not get the marketing Cryuff did because they played in weaker teams.

[west]

Sorry true. Mechanical Orange was the Great Dutch National Team of the 70s Full of Stars. Best was better than Cryuff. So was Lato and Cubillas but they did not get the marketing Cryuff did because they played in weaker teams.
Crruff Barcelona>Best Man utd
Cryuff lead Dutch is easily the best team didn't win world cup

[Sir Charles]

Crruff Barcelona>Best Man utd

Yes but George Best > Johan Cryuff :confusedshrug:

So is

Cubillas > Cryuff
Lato > Cryuff
Gullit > Cryuff

[west]

Yes but George Best > Johan Cryuff :confusedshrug:

So is

Cubillas > Cryuff
Lato > Cryuff
Gullit > Cryuff
:wtf:

[iggy>]

Was Johan Cryff better than George Best because he played in the Mechanical Orange and Best in Wales?

Teams Win...not Single Players...:hammerhead: :(
what of the 3 finals mvps? do we just overlook those?

[vinsane01]

1-BARKLEY
2-DUNCAN
3-MALONE
4-McHALE
5-GARNETT
6-WEBBER

interchange 1 and 2 to fix it.

[Sir Charles]

what of the 3 finals mvps? do we just overlook those?

Give Barkley a GREAT PRIME CAST in BARKLEY`s PRIME and expect a 92 and 96 Olympic Barkley. I get very easy playing with Great Casts that Can Defend for one as well as Pass, Shoot etc...

[godofgods]

Yet can't win without a great team. What Duncan did in 03 was something few have done. Many stars would consider even making the playoffs with that squad to be a significant achievement. Duncan won a ring and beat the Lakers with that team, which was inferior to KG's team when he made the WCF. KG is NOT the big game player Duncan is. KG is NOT as skilled as prime Timmy. KG is NOT better than Duncan. Get over it.

Word.

[booonkers]

Yet can't win without a great team. What Duncan did in 03 was something few have done. Many stars would consider even making the playoffs with that squad to be a significant achievement. Duncan won a ring and beat the Lakers with that team, which was inferior to KG's team when he made the WCF. KG is NOT the big game player Duncan is. KG is NOT as skilled as prime Timmy. KG is NOT better than Duncan. Get over it.

You speak the truth.

[dnyk1337]

Skill-wise? It goes hands down to my man Chris Webber. Most skilled PF to ever play the game. Now... Career-wise, that's tough.

Skill-wise:

1-Webber
2-Barkley
3-Garnett
4-Duncan
5-McHale
6-Malone

Career-wise:

1. Malone
2. Barkley
3. Duncan
4. McHale
5. Garnett
6. Webber

[Horatio33]

1-Webber
2-Barkley
3-Garnett
4-Duncan
5-McHale
6-Malone


McHale was the most skillful of all these guys. did you see his post moves. and his ability to guard centres, forwards and shooting guards?

The thing that stopped McHale being the best overall was his mentality. just like KG, Malone and Webber, he didn't want to be the man. to have the ball in crunch time.

[Sir Charles]

McHale was the most skillful of all these guys. did you see his post moves. and his ability to guard centres, forwards and shooting guards?

The thing that stopped McHale being the best overall was his mentality. just like KG, Malone and Webber, he didn't want to be the man. to have the ball in crunch time.

Skillfull Arms in the Post but Take a Look at Chucks Post Game from 1989 to 1995. Its mind blowing. I`ve never seen anyone "Spin Move" and "Drive" at the same time as Good as Charles and End Up Going to the Glass with either Arm. Also Charles was way more skilled dribbling wise (Could Lead Fast Breaks, Finish Off with Dunks or Assist) and shooting wise from generally anywhere on the court. Dunks and Fastbreaks I will not even include :rolleyes:

Imapct More Game Areas, Talent Wise and Skillfull Wise Barkley No Doubt

[Horatio33]

get a life.

[jaydacris]

duncans so good at winning rings... dayumm.. the best fo sho!

[dnyk1337]

McHale was the most skillful of all these guys. did you see his post moves. and his ability to guard centres, forwards and shooting guards?

The thing that stopped McHale being the best overall was his mentality. just like KG, Malone and Webber, he didn't want to be the man. to have the ball in crunch time.

Most skillful in terms of overall basketball ability. Sure, McHale was really good in the post, but Barkley and Webber were obviously very good in the post too. They also had many more skills besides post offense. They could even handle the ball like a guard.

[Sir Charles]

Most skillful in terms of overall basketball ability. Sure, McHale was really good in the post, but Barkley and Webber were obviously very good in the post too. They also had many more skills besides post offense. They could even handle the ball like a guard.

Barkley shot 58.13% inside the 3-Pointline at 21.6 PPG on 12.9 2-Point FGA PG for his Season Career and 55.13% inside the 3-Pointline at 22.5 PPG on 14.5 PPG but the difference is Barkley was the Go to Go Guy pretty much always and recieved doubleteaming while McHale was the Second Go to Go Guy and benefited from Bird`s passing not to mention DJ`s, Ainge`s, Maxwell and Walton :confusedshrug:

[veilside23]

sir charles just create your own forum .... i am a bigtime garnett fan if we will consider career and skill it has to be duncan...

[Sir Charles]

sir charles just create your own forum .... i am a bigtime garnett fan if we will consider career and skill it has to be duncan...

How is Duncan more Skilled than Barkley if Barkley shot 58 and 55 from the 2-Point Field at 21.6 -22.5 PPG taking just 12.9-14.5 FGA PG? You are funny :roll:. :hammerhead: . That shows the skill. Then again Barkley had way more ways to Score than Duncan could Dream on Having :confusedshrug:

[Loki]

McHale shot 60.4% on 2-point field goals in two consecutive years. Barkley owned.

[brandonislegend]

Duncan is the best PF of all-time.

[Sir Charles]

McHale shot 60.4% on 2-point field goals in two consecutive years. Barkley owned.

Ofcourse McHale is the Second Greatest Offensive Powerforward...but he scored as a Second Option ofcourse and feeding off Bird (Greatest Passing Forward), DJ, Ainge, Maxwell and Walton etc...Charles alone pretty much in his Prime.

Now let me show you how many times Barkley Shot over 60% or close to 60% 2-Point FG and 20 plus in his Career :rolleyes:

As 4th Option Focal "Go To Go Guy" Scorer and Not a 100% Starter (age 21)

1984-85: 54.56% 2-Point FG% /13.96 PPG/9.47 2-Point FGA PG Only(28.6 MPG)

As 2nd Option Focal "Go To Go Guy" Scorer (age 22)

1985-86: 59.83% 2-Point FG% /19.40 PPG/12.08 2-Point FGA PG Only

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As 1st Option Focal "Go to Go Guy" Scorer (ages 23 to 32)

1986-87: 64.34% 2-Point FG%/22.07 PPG/12.25 2-Point FGA PG Only

1987-88: 62.97% 2-Point FG%/26.66 PPG/14.08 2-Point FGA PG Only

1988-89: 63.58% 2-Point FG/24.46 PPG/13.24 2-Point FGA PG Only

1989-90: 63.22% 2-Point FG%/24.42 PPG/13.73 2-Point FGA PG Only

1990-91: 61.36% 2-Point FG%/25.63 PPG/15.10 2-Point FGA PG Only

1991-92: 59.66% 2-Point FG%/21.79 PPG/13.18 2-Point FGA PG Only

1992-93: 56.14% 2-Point FG%/22.93 PPG/15.21 2-Point FGA PG Only

1993-94: 54.15% 2-Point FG%/19.35 PPG/13.35 2-Point FGA PG Only

1994-95: 52.06% 2-Point FG%/19.69 PPG/13.56 2-Point FGA PG Only

1995-96: 53.90% 2-Point FG%/21.15 PPG/13.87 2-Point FGA PG Only

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As 2nd Option Focal "Go to Go Guy" Scorer (age 33)

1996-97: 56.88% 2-Point FG%/15.89 PPG/15.3 2-Point FGA PG Only

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As 4th Option Focal "Go To Go Guy" Scorer (age 34)

1997-98: 51.97% 2-Point FG%/14.4 PPG/9.702-Point FGA PG Only

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As 2nd Option Focal "Go To Go Guy" Scorer (age 35)

1998-99: 49.48% 2-Point FG%/15.81 PPG/11.36 2-Point FGA PG Only

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As 3rd Option Focal "Go To Go Guy" Scorer (age 36)

1999-2000: 50.48% 2-Point FG%/13.55 PPG/9.80 2-Point FGA PG Only

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[brandonislegend]

Ofcourse McHale is the Second Greatest Offensive Powerforward...but he scored as a Second Option ofcourse and feeding off Bird (Greatest Passing Forward), DJ, Ainge, Maxwell and Walton etc...Charles alone pretty much in his Prime.

Now let me show you how many times Barkley Shot over 60% or close to 60% 2-Point FG and 20 plus in his Career :rolleyes:

As 4th Option Focal "Go To Go Guy" Scorer and Not a 100% Starter (age 21)

1984-85: 54.56% 2-Point FG% /13.96 PPG/9.47 2-Point FGA PG Only(28.6 MPG)

As 2nd Option Focal "Go To Go Guy" Scorer (age 22)

1985-86: 59.83% 2-Point FG% /19.40 PPG/12.08 2-Point FGA PG Only

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As 1st Option Focal "Go to Go Guy" Scorer (ages 23 to 32)

1986-87: 64.34% 2-Point FG%/22.07 PPG/12.25 2-Point FGA PG Only

1987-88: 62.97% 2-Point FG%/26.66 PPG/14.08 2-Point FGA PG Only

1988-89: 63.58% 2-Point FG/24.46 PPG/13.24 2-Point FGA PG Only

1989-90: 63.22% 2-Point FG%/24.42 PPG/13.73 2-Point FGA PG Only

1990-91: 61.36% 2-Point FG%/25.63 PPG/15.10 2-Point FGA PG Only

1991-92: 59.66% 2-Point FG%/21.79 PPG/13.18 2-Point FGA PG Only

1992-93: 56.14% 2-Point FG%/22.93 PPG/15.21 2-Point FGA PG Only

1993-94: 54.15% 2-Point FG%/19.35 PPG/13.35 2-Point FGA PG Only

1994-95: 52.06% 2-Point FG%/19.69 PPG/13.56 2-Point FGA PG Only

1995-96: 53.90% 2-Point FG%/21.15 PPG/13.87 2-Point FGA PG Only

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As 2nd Option Focal "Go to Go Guy" Scorer (age 33)

1996-97: 56.88% 2-Point FG%/15.89 PPG/15.3 2-Point FGA PG Only

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As 4th Option Focal "Go To Go Guy" Scorer (age 34)

1997-98: 51.97% 2-Point FG%/14.4 PPG/9.702-Point FGA PG Only

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As 2nd Option Focal "Go To Go Guy" Scorer (age 35)

1998-99: 49.48% 2-Point FG%/15.81 PPG/11.36 2-Point FGA PG Only

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As 3rd Option Focal "Go To Go Guy" Scorer (age 36)

1999-2000: 50.48% 2-Point FG%/13.55 PPG/9.80 2-Point FGA PG Only

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you post the stupidest ****...duncan has 4 rings...barkley = :(

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/5800/05duncantim05finalsmvpla5.jpg

[Sir Charles]

Barkley owns Duncan in all categories and skills except as a Shot Blocker and he owned him at ages 34-36 passed his prime with back and knee injuries all over him :confusedshrug:

[brandonislegend]

Barkley owns Duncan in all categories and skills except as a Shot Blocker and he owned him at ages 34-36 passed his prime with back and knee injuries all over him :confusedshrug:

4 rings > barkley

plus theres a reason why they call him the big fundamental, he is selfless he doesnt care about stats, hes always boxing out 1 or 2 guys and letting someone else get the EASY board, he plays smart he doesnt force it if its not there.

[Sir Charles]

4 rings > barkley

plus theres a reason why they call him the big fundamental, he is selfless he doesnt care about stats, hes always boxing out 1 or 2 guys and letting someone else get the EASY board, he plays smart he doesnt force it if its not there.

Russell 11 Rings > Wilt 2-3

Way more rings...was he better? :no:

They call him the big fundamental exactly because there are few fundamental players from the the post 1980s drafts, very few :oldlol: . He is a Great Player, no doubt but he can only do 1 or 2 things better than Barkley...while Barkley can do what? 10-15 things better. Barkley is Better I watched both play:rolleyes:

Lets remember they call him SIR Charles because everyone had to say "Yes Sir" when facing him. Everyone was scared and could ot stop him when healthy

[barkleynash]

Barkley would easily be the best international player out of the bunch, man he ripped it during the olympics...but if we're only counting NBA primes I gotta go with big Timmy

[zabuza666]

Russell 11 Rings > Wilt 2-3

Way more rings...was he better? :no:

They call him the big fundamental exactly because there are few fundamental players from the the post 1980s drafts, very few :oldlol: . He is a Great Player, no doubt but he can only do 1 or 2 things better than Barkley...while Barkley can do what? 10-15 things better. Barkley is Better I watched both play:rolleyes:

Lets remember they call him SIR Charles because everyone had to say "Yes Sir" when facing him. Everyone was scared and could ot stop him when healthy

Yes but the 1-2 things Duncan does better means ****loads in a game of basketball at the PF position while the 10-15 things Barkley does better don't mean ****. :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Sir Charles]

Yes but the 1-2 things Duncan does better means ****loads in a game of basketball at the PF position while the 10-15 things Barkley does better don't mean ****. :bowdown: :bowdown:

?

Barkley Scores (58-55 2-Point FG% is just way above Duncan`s level), Rebounds, Passes, Shoots and Plays Floor Defense...Better than Duncan. All Duncan does Better is as a Shot Blocker because he is a Center that has been playing PF at 6`11. Hakeem could do the same and much better but that does not make him a PF. Barkley could then be considered a Better SF than Bird, he had more impact (Top 9 PER and Top 7 PER) because he could play SF but that don`t make him that.

Duncan has been playing Center always since Robinson left. Just look at the Forward next to him is that a Center? Year Right! :violin:

Then again Barkley outplayed him in his meetings at ages 34-36 crippled with back and knee problems while Duncan was already an All Star a 20-10-3-3 player in perfect healthy conditions and physical prime :confusedshrug: