Devin Harris!!!!

[BFRESH44]

This cat is going to be toe to toe with Pooh Rose as the best lead guard in the east for the next several years...

[jrcp3]

Mavs had to make a move at the time they weren't going anywhere ......

[Mdog1]

Did the Mavs also give up a first rounder in that trade to? If so lol at their stupid GM. This year they are sniffing lottery.

[rknine15]

Did the Mavs also give up a first rounder in that trade to? If so lol at their stupid GM. This year they are sniffing lottery.
2008 1st round protected pick- Nets draft Ryan Anderson
2010 1st round unprotected pick

[JoshCoward]

Did the Mavs also give up a first rounder in that trade to? If so lol at their stupid GM. This year they are sniffing lottery.

and yet mavs are 6-7 and on 4 games winning streak, mavs are making the playoffs at least. btw thanks for stating the obvious op...

[Mdog1]

2008 1st round protected pick- Nets draft Ryan Anderson
2010 1st round unprotected pick

Oh haha two. The Mavs are so dumb. Their 2010 first rounder is going to be a real good one if they don't mix it up soon.

[catzhernandez]

2008 1st round protected pick- Nets draft Ryan Anderson
2010 1st round unprotected pick
OMFG. :roll::roll::roll:

Worst trade ever. Seriously.

:roll:

36 year old PG... :roll:

[rknine15]

A Nets game last week vs the hawk

60 points, 9 rebounds, 15 assist, 4 steals


-Devin Harris: 33 points, 10 assist, 3 rebounds, 2 steals

-Ryan Anderson: 17 points, 5 rebounds, 1 steal

-Keyon Dooling: 10 points, 5 assist, 1 rebound, 1 steal **acquired using the $3.3 million trade exception from the trade

[305Baller]

You know it, I know it, the whole world knows it.

[catzhernandez]

A Nets game last week vs the hawk
:bowdown:

Love that stat. Repped.

[MTing]

Rod Thorn is a fricken genius.

[RecSpecs110]

Rod Thorn is a fricken genius.

+1

[Shepseskaf]

Rod Thorn is a fricken genius.
Cuban is a dumb@ss.

[Showtime]

Mavs had to make a move at the time they weren't going anywhere ......
And that's exactly why they shouldn't have traded youth + picks. They should have started to rebuild then instead of trying to hang on for one or two more years.

[gigantes]

*facepalm* at the number of dumbasses with 20-20 hindsight that are always posting stuff like this.

[Showtime]

*facepalm* at the number of dumbasses with 20-20 hindsight that are always posting stuff like this.
It wasn't hindsight. I thought the move was dumb when I first heard it.

I even remember saying the deal was bad partly because Harris's quickness was a big upside because of what it would mean for defending the young crop of guards the west has, like Chris Paul. I remember some fans blasting that comment. Well, Paul tore Kidd a new a-hole in the playoffs.

[Undisputed]

The Mavs let go of Devin Harris one year too early, or maybe it was the change of scenery that helped. I have Harris as most improved player this season, so far.

[ZHAKIDD532]

The Mavs let go of Devin Harris one year too early, or maybe it was the change of scenery that helped. I have Harris as most improved player this season, so far.
I think it's more the system and the way the offense if run. In Dallas was what, the 3rd or 4th option? In NJ he's 1 or 2 whenever he's on the court. He has the ball in his hands and he's a dangerous player because of it. He has turned up the heat after the first few games of the season and now he's shooting great percentages.

After I took some time to think about this trade after it first happen, and got over the initial shock of losing Jason Kidd, I saw how smart it was. The same can be said for just about every trade Rod Thorn makes concerning important players.

[LiL Stevie]

Stupid trade, not because Harris is so great but more so that Kidd is not the right fit for the Mavs offense. Harris is decent but let's be real, he was not going to emerge as the Deron Williams/Chris Paul point guard for the Mavs. He was pretty much just a 3rd/4th option scorer. Does he have the talent? Possibly, but as long as Terry was there in the backcourt with him, he would not have gotten the freedom to play at point guard.

Blame the Mavs for not giving Harris more of a chance in his four years there over anything else. We never even knew if he could become a top point guard for them because they were so obsessed with Jason Terry. Instead of letting Harris play freely, they let Howard and Terry shoulder the burden and only allowed Harris to be a defender/change-of-pace scorer.

[#1SportsFan86]

I like how people want to bash the Mavs but failed to mention how Devin Harris kept getting smashed by Deron Williams, Baron Davis and Dwayne Wade and the other big guards, Ok Devin Harris is young and quick but what else does he bring to the table?...the guy is not and will never be a leader, he plays more like a SG than a PG, half the time he's injured but people want to act like he's Chris Paul or something, eveybody on this forum is overrating Harris and it's starting to get crazy.

[miles berg]

I miss the hell out of Harris. I think that if the Mavs were going to trade two 1sts, including one unprotected in 2010, that it should have been Jason Terry, not Harris, that was sent to the Nets.

We severely overpaid for Kidd. Now, Kidd has been fantastic so I cant ***** about his play. I just think this team would be unbelievable with Harris in Jets current role here in Dallas.

But, whats done is done, gotta move on. Kidd and Harris are both playing outstanding right now.

[Nash-tastic]

I knew it was a bad trade the moment i saw it

[gigantes]

some good points made on the second page- i tip my hat to those. but a couple things people rarely mention when slamming this trade:

- dirk is now on the downward slope of his career, the team is built around him, and the window of opportunity is closing. the team had stalled and the trade was a calculated risk to get back to the championship before it was too late. odds are it wasn't going to work, but that doesn't mean it wasn't a reasonable risk to take. (altho i agree that thorn fleeced nelson by getting the unprotected pick)

- kidd has played great and no question was an improvement over what harris was giving them. get over the fact that he doesn't take many shots and has trouble 1v1 against quicker guards, but he dominates everywhere else. from team defense, to being able to cover big scorers like tmac, to shooting efficiency to passing the ball, rebounding, and being a good captain... he does it all.

[Showtime]

I like how people want to bash the Mavs but failed to mention how Devin Harris kept getting smashed by Deron Williams, Baron Davis and Dwayne Wade and the other big guards,

First off, a PG shouldn't be guarding Wade to begin with. The goal at the time was to make a move to stay in contention. They wouldn't have beaten Utah in 7 no matter who was at point, and I don't think Davis was that serious of a factor for the following two or three years. They had come off a big upset from them, but I don't think Kidd would have made that much difference. I would be more worried about getting past Parker and the Spurs and Paul and the Hornets, two division opponents with quick PG's for years to come.


Ok Devin Harris is young and quick but what else does he bring to the table?...the guy is not and will never be a leader, he plays more like a SG than a PG, half the time he's injured but people want to act like he's Chris Paul or something, eveybody on this forum is overrating Harris and it's starting to get crazy.
It's not so much about Harris playing like crazy recently, it's more of the combination of that, the humiliating defeat against the hornets in the playoffs, and the overall trade. They gave up way too much of their future banking on the short term, and they got nothing in the short term. It was an utter failure of a trade. Now, Harris might not turn into that leader, but for the future of a team, he can certainly be serviceable. Remember, the recent champions haven't had franchise point guards who were leaders. Oh, and the picks involved, yuck. Bad deal.

[mattreis62]

The Mavs should have tried to move Howard if they were so hellbent on making a move. They also should have targetted someone other than Kidd, who is not at his best in the half court, grind it out system the Mavs were playing under Avery. Trading a young talented player and two 1st round picks for a year and a half of Kidd was not a good move then and it's not a good move now and it will be a horrible move in the future.

[phoenix_bladen]

2008 1st round protected pick- Nets draft Ryan Anderson
2010 1st round unprotected pick



hahahaha omg

2010 UNPROTECTED? the way i see t his teh mavs will decline again next year and it's over

there is a chance they will NOT even make the playoffs next year if they don't make some improvements to their roster

not only that stackhouse wants to get traded as well ..... talk about losing their depth

i think howard is going to go smoke some pot now in games to try to get high and go play harder for the team.

[#1SportsFan86]

First off, a PG shouldn't be guarding Wade to begin with. The goal at the time was to make a move to stay in contention. They wouldn't have beaten Utah in 7 no matter who was at point, and I don't think Davis was that serious of a factor for the following two or three years. They had come off a big upset from them, but I don't think Kidd would have made that much difference. I would be more worried about getting past Parker and the Spurs and Paul and the Hornets, two division opponents with quick PG's for years to come.


It's not so much about Harris playing like crazy recently, it's more of the combination of that, the humiliating defeat against the hornets in the playoffs, and the overall trade. They gave up way too much of their future banking on the short term, and they got nothing in the short term. It was an utter failure of a trade. Now, Harris might not turn into that leader, but for the future of a team, he can certainly be serviceable. Remember, the recent champions haven't had franchise point guards who were leaders. Oh, and the picks involved, yuck. Bad deal.



I see what your saying but the Mavs could easily trade for a PG like Raymond Felton who I heard was on the trading block to make up for Devin Harris, Harris can be replace it not like the Mavs traded away Chris Paul or something that's all I'm trying to say, the Mavs were trying to give them Jason Terry but the Nets wanted Devin and Dirk put a gun(not really) to Cuban's head and Cuban did the trade, Cuban shouldn't even be getting bashed the way he is becasue all he did was sign off on the trade when Dirk was the person that wanted Jason Kidd all along because he didn't think Devin could lead the Mavs to a title.


What the Mavs gave up to get Jason Kidd

Devin Harris
Trenton Hassell (huge contract)
Maurice Ager (bust)
Keith Van Horn (Didn't even play)
DeSagana Diop (resigned with the Mavs)
2008 first-round draft
2010 first-round draft


All the Mavs gave up was Devin Harris but the only thing that makes me mad about the trade is that we added thoes 1st first round draft picks that's the only thing I'm mad about.

[kentatm]

Kidd has played well enough that I think it was a good move short and long term. With Kidd they a better chance of winning now and have a ton more flexibility money wise and he is just a flat out better overall PG even if he is 35.

[rknine15]

I like how people want to bash the Mavs but failed to mention how Devin Harris kept getting smashed by Deron Williams, Baron Davis and Dwayne Wade and the other big guards, Ok Devin Harris is young and quick but what else does he bring to the table?...the guy is not and will never be a leader, he plays more like a SG than a PG, half the time he's injured but people want to act like he's Chris Paul or something, eveybody on this forum is overrating Harris and it's starting to get crazy.
you clearly didnt watch last years Nets vs utah...

[Nets fan 93]

A Nets game last week vs the hawk
60 points, 9 rebounds, 15 assist, 4 steals



-Devin Harris: 33 points, 10 assist, 3 rebounds, 2 steals

-Ryan Anderson: 17 points, 5 rebounds, 1 steal

-Keyon Dooling: 10 points, 5 assist, 1 rebound, 1 steal **acquired using the $3.3 million trade exception from the trade
LMAO
Devin is gonna be an all-star...

I see what your saying but the Mavs could easily trade for a PG like Raymond Felton who I heard was on the trading block to make up for Devin Harris, Harris can be replace it not like the Mavs traded away Chris Paul or something that's all I'm trying to say, the Mavs were trying to give them Jason Terry but the Nets wanted Devin and Dirk put a gun(not really) to Cuban's head and Cuban did the trade, Cuban shouldn't even be getting bashed the way he is becasue all he did was sign off on the trade when Dirk was the person that wanted Jason Kidd all along because he didn't think Devin could lead the Mavs to a title.


What the Mavs gave up to get Jason Kidd

Devin Harris
Trenton Hassell (huge contract)
Maurice Ager (bust)
Keith Van Horn (Didn't even play)
DeSagana Diop (resigned with the Mavs)
2008 first-round draft
2010 first-round draft


All the Mavs gave up was Devin Harris but the only thing that makes me mad about the trade is that we added thoes 1st first round draft picks that's the only thing I'm mad about.
Devin Harris= Beast
KVH= expires in 2010 anyways
Diop=garbage on the nets anyways,expirer good for the Nets and then the Mavs sign him for the Full MLE for 5 years:roll:
3 mill dollars=Keyon Dooling who is >than Marcus
Ager sux.. lol
Hassell expires in 2010 I think

[ZHAKIDD532]

I see what your saying but the Mavs could easily trade for a PG like Raymond Felton who I heard was on the trading block to make up for Devin Harris, Harris can be replace it not like the Mavs traded away Chris Paul or something that's all I'm trying to say, the Mavs were trying to give them Jason Terry but the Nets wanted Devin and Dirk put a gun(not really) to Cuban's head and Cuban did the trade, Cuban shouldn't even be getting bashed the way he is becasue all he did was sign off on the trade when Dirk was the person that wanted Jason Kidd all along because he didn't think Devin could lead the Mavs to a title.


What the Mavs gave up to get Jason Kidd

Devin Harris
Trenton Hassell (huge contract)
Maurice Ager (bust)
Keith Van Horn (Didn't even play)
DeSagana Diop (resigned with the Mavs)
2008 first-round draft
2010 first-round draft


All the Mavs gave up was Devin Harris but the only thing that makes me mad about the trade is that we added thoes 1st first round draft picks that's the only thing I'm mad about.
Raymond Felton is not Devin Harris by any stretch of the imagination. This trade overall if just going to leave them in a huge hole in about a year. This is what you're looking at because of this trade:

-They could sneak into the playoffs, but I personally don't think they'll make it.
-Kidd could leave this offseason if he chooses to since he will see the Mavs are going no where.
-The Mavs will have no first round pick next season after most likely hitting the lottery
-Dirk will be on the downside of his career and be leading a depleted team.
-They will have to start rebuilding at some point, trading off their big pieces in an attempt to get some young talent that they lost in this trade.

As for what the Nets got:

-Devin Harris, a Top 3 PG in the East (Tony Parker even said he was happy to see him go, he didn't wanna deal with him anymore)
-Trenton Hassell, not a huge contract, expires after next season for 2010
-Maurice Ager, his option was declined, he's gone after this season
-Keith Van Horn, more cap room
-DeSagna Diop, who now clogs the Mavs cap and doesn't even play that well
-2008 First Rounder, which turned into Ryan Anderson, a very intriguing young player for the Nets, 2nd right now in 3PT%
-2010 First Rounder, which will undoubtedly be a lottery pick that is unprotected.

The Mavs got:

-Jason Kidd, still one of my all-time favorites, but I think will be gone after this year
-Antoine Wright, will be gone after this season
-Malik Allen, I believe he's already gone no?

Wow, great job there Marky...........:lol

[marla07860]

-Malik Allen, I believe he's already gone no?

yeah, he is on the Bucks with Jefferson

[Nets fan 93]

yeah, he is on the Bucks with Jefferson
Malik was a beast wasnt he:bowdown:
You guys remember when he scored 18 against the heat:bowdown:

[inside_beast_50]

statistics wise that was a dumb trade but u also have to look at other situations....look at steve nash w/mavs.......steve nash w/suns...the later earned him 2 mvp awards in row......harris fits in better with the nets than he did wit the mavs.

[Bean]

Mavs = Just plain retarded.

[#1SportsFan86]

Raymond Felton is not Devin Harris by any stretch of the imagination. This trade overall if just going to leave them in a huge hole in about a year. This is what you're looking at because of this trade:

-They could sneak into the playoffs, but I personally don't think they'll make it.
-Kidd could leave this offseason if he chooses to since he will see the Mavs are going no where.
-The Mavs will have no first round pick next season after most likely hitting the lottery
-Dirk will be on the downside of his career and be leading a depleted team.
-They will have to start rebuilding at some point, trading off their big pieces in an attempt to get some young talent that they lost in this trade.

As for what the Nets got:

-Devin Harris, a Top 3 PG in the East (Tony Parker even said he was happy to see him go, he didn't wanna deal with him anymore)
-Trenton Hassell, not a huge contract, expires after next season for 2010
-Maurice Ager, his option was declined, he's gone after this season
-Keith Van Horn, more cap room
-DeSagna Diop, who now clogs the Mavs cap and doesn't even play that well
-2008 First Rounder, which turned into Ryan Anderson, a very intriguing young player for the Nets, 2nd right now in 3PT%
-2010 First Rounder, which will undoubtedly be a lottery pick that is unprotected.

The Mavs got:

-Jason Kidd, still one of my all-time favorites, but I think will be gone after this year
-Antoine Wright, will be gone after this season
-Malik Allen, I believe he's already gone no?

Wow, great job there Marky...........:lol



WOW Marky you made your team sound like there going to the Finals this season great job........:lol

[ZHAKIDD532]

When I said Marky, I was referring to Mark Cuban who made the deal for Dallas.

And where did I say they'd win this year. I pointed out the Nets recieved cap space, draft picks and Devin Harris...

[#1SportsFan86]

When I said Marky, I was referring to Mark Cuban who made the deal for Dallas.

And where did I say they'd win this year. I pointed out the Nets recieved cap space, draft picks and Devin Harris...


Ok but your acting like the Mavs didn't get anything good for Harris...the Mavs got rid of Devin Harris huge 5 year contract and got an huge expiring contract/trade peace in Jason Kidd to rebuild with at the trade deadline if the team look like there not going anywhere, As the Diop...he can be trade...the Bobcats and Heat were interested in him in the offseason so he can be traded.

[ZHAKIDD532]

Ok but your acting like the Mavs didn't get anything good for Harris...the Mavs got rid of Devin Harris huge 5 year contract and got an huge expiring contract/trade peace in Jason Kidd to rebuild with at the trade deadline if the team look like there not going anywhere, As the Diop...he can be trade...the Bobcats and Heat were interested in him in the offseason so he can be traded.
After this season, they won't have anything to show for the trade other than some cap room. That's not the way anyone should be making deals.

Just because teams wanted Diop in the offseason, that doesn't mean they want him now...no one wants to take on long-term contracts like that anymore. He's signed for 5 years.

[Nets fan 93]

Ok but your acting like the Mavs didn't get anything good for Harris...the Mavs got rid of Devin Harris huge 5 year contract and got an huge expiring contract/trade peace in Jason Kidd to rebuild with at the trade deadline if the team look like there not going anywhere, As the Diop...he can be trade...the Bobcats and Heat were interested in him in the offseason so he can be traded.
The Mavs got even at best...
Huge 5 year contract, LMAO he is a young stud, they resigned him in the beggining of last season... :hammerhead:

[Kiddlovesnets]

The Harris trade seemed to be a smart trade for me but the RJ trade was just way too disgusting...
:banghead:

[Nets fan 93]

The Harris trade seemed to be a smart trade for me but the RJ trade was just way too disgusting...
:banghead:
Eh... we look like the same team w/o him anyways

[kentatm]

apparently none of you know how to look past the current season.

that was the first step in clearing cap room for the 2010 FA class which is going to be off the charts.


So, let's break into a few categories. First up, let's start with the stars whose contracts expire following the 2009-2010 season and will then become honest-to-goodness free agents:

Joe Johnson
Ray Allen
Manu Ginobili
Marcus Camby
Tracey McGrady
Shaquille O'Neal
Brad Miller
Stephen Jackson
Jermaine O'Neal
Mike Miller
Rip Hamilton

The next grouping is those players that are signed thru 2011, but can opt out in 2010 if they so choose:
Amare Stoudamire (owed 17.7 million in 10/11)
LeBron James (owed 17.2 million in 10/11)
Dwayne Wade (owed 17.0 million in 10/11)
Chris Bosh (owed 17.1 million in 10/11)
Dirk Nowitzki (owed $21.5 million in 10/11)
Josh Howard (owed $11.8 million in 10/11)
Mike Redd (owed $18.3 million in 10/11)
Tyson Chandler (owed $12.8 million in 10/11)

This next list consists of contracts that are set to expire in 2010, but the player may choose to opt-out following the 2008-2009 season:
Steve Nash (owed $13.1 million in 09-10)
Carlos Boozer (owed $12.7 million in 09-10)
Chris Paul (owed $6 million in 09-10 / almost certain to sign an extension before becoming unrestricted)
Memo Okur (owed $9.0 million in 09-10)
Hedo Turkoglu (owed $7.4 million in 09-10)


In addition to the superstars listed above, these 'second-tier' players are set to hit the open market as well:
Ben Wallace
Larry Hughes
Zydrunas Ilgauskas (option to opt-out after 09/10 season)
Anderson Varejao (option to opt-out after 09/10 season)
Al Harrington
Darko Milicic
Udonis Haslem
Jamal Crawford (option to opt-out after 09/10 season)
Eddy Curry (option to opt-out after 09/10 season)
Amir Johnson
Derek Fisher
Raja Bell
T.J. Ford (player option - owed $8.5 million in 10/11)
Travis Outlaw
Bruce Bowen
Earl Watson
Luke Ridnour
Matt Harpring
Quentin Richardson
Damien Wilkins

We also must include the list of players that will actually eventually have value due solely to the fact their contracts come off the books in the summer of 2010:
Jerome James (proof that Isiah Thomas knew what he was doing all along!)
Cuttino Mobley
Brendan Haywood
Tim Thomas
Brian Cardinal
Antonio Davis
Mark Blount
Bobby Simmons
Troy Hudson
Darius Miles
Kenny Thomas
Shareef Abdul-Rahim
Matt Bonner
Etan Thomas

Last, but not least, we have the 2006 Draft Class. These players will all be restricted free-agents in 2010, if they haven't already been inked to extensions:
Brandon Roy
Rudy Gay
LaMarcus Aldridge
Andrea Bargnani
Rajon Rondo
Tyrus Thomas
Kyle Lowry
Randy Foye
Marcus Williams
Josh Boone
Renaldo Balkman
Sergio Rodriguez
Ronnie Brewer

2010 FAs link (http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=9031)

They see that Dirk is getting older and have set themselves up for wholesale change if need be. Right now only Diop and Terry are guaranteed on the Mavs cap for that season. They will be major players in the FA market that year.

Mavs salaries link (http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=9182)

[ZHAKIDD532]

The Harris trade seemed to be a smart trade for me but the RJ trade was just way too disgusting...
:banghead:
Yi's having a good night tonight. It's too early to know how good he'll be in the end. But in the end, it will have been smart trade. Not necessarily a steal that Rod is known for, but a steal nonetheless.

[Nets fan 93]

Yi's having a good night tonight. It's too early to know how good he'll be in the end. But in the end, it will have been smart trade. Not necessarily a steal that Rod is known for, but a steal nonetheless.
a pick woulda made it a steal.. i say even trade for what both teams are doing

[TMac&Luther]

statistics wise that was a dumb trade but u also have to look at other situations....look at steve nash w/mavs.......steve nash w/suns...the later earned him 2 mvp awards in row......harris fits in better with the nets than he did wit the mavs.

I'm throwing the B.S. flag on that one.......Dallas won a historical amount of games and were one win away from a title with Devin Harris on their team.

They've been a extremely average to below average team with Kidd......it was just a stupid dumb move

[Mdog1]

If you ask me Dallas helped out NJ so much with the Kidd trade. The Nets are looking at 2010 for that cap space, well they got two years to build a team around LeBron. Their picks are going to be lottery, and dallas 2010 is looking lottery to. If NJ gets lucky and gets a 1st overall selection out of any of those 3 it is going to be crazy how much attention it gets. Even still they now have a ton of young talent and still have VC to trade for more. Looking good NJ looking good.

[ronnymac]

KIKI doing his thing in NJ

[ZHAKIDD532]

apparently none of you know how to look past the current season.

that was the first step in clearing cap room for the 2010 FA class which is going to be off the charts.



2010 FAs link (http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=9031)

They see that Dirk is getting older and have set themselves up for wholesale change if need be. Right now only Diop and Terry are guaranteed on the Mavs cap for that season. They will be major players in the FA market that year.

Mavs salaries link (http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=9182)
Nice find

[Solid Snake]

Cuban is either:

1) homosexual
2) bisexual
3) how other people can't see this based on his facial mannerisms is beyond me

[ZHAKIDD532]

Cuban is either:

1) homosexual
2) bisexual
3) how other people can't see this based on his facial mannerisms is beyond me
What does that have to do with anything?

[#1SportsFan86]

apparently none of you know how to look past the current season.

that was the first step in clearing cap room for the 2010 FA class which is going to be off the charts.



2010 FAs link (http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=9031)

They see that Dirk is getting older and have set themselves up for wholesale change if need be. Right now only Diop and Terry are guaranteed on the Mavs cap for that season. They will be major players in the FA market that year.

Mavs salaries link (http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=9182)


Thank you...I bet that shut everybody up that were quick to bash the Mavs...Diop and Terry are the only contracts that go past 2010 and Dirk and Damp both have player options so they both could opt out in 2010, It's crazy how much hate the Mavs are getting on this forum man I never thought it was gonna be like this....keep up the hate guys....:applause:

[Mdog1]

Thank you...I bet that shut everybody up that were quick to bash the Mavs...Diop and Terry are the only contracts that go past 2010 and Dirk and Damp both have player options so they both could opt out in 2010, It's crazy how much hate the Mavs are getting on this forum man I never thought it was gonna be like this....keep up the hate guys....:applause:

Dirk will most likely not opt out though. He is declining and will not get that type of money from any one else so he should just keep his contract. Melo 2011?

[kentatm]

Thank you...I bet that shut everybody up that were quick to bash the Mavs...Diop and Terry are the only contracts that go past 2010 and Dirk and Damp both have player options so they both could opt out in 2010, It's crazy how much hate the Mavs are getting on this forum man I never thought it was gonna be like this....keep up the hate guys....:applause:

actually Damp does NOT have a player option. He has requirements in his contract that it are now impossible for him to hit for his final year to be enacted. i forget what they all were but I know a few involved him averaging a double double for at least a couple seasons and making all star games.


Dirk will most likely not opt out though. He is declining and will not get that type of money from any one else so he should just keep his contract. Melo 2011?

Maybe, maybe not. Depends on what happens. Dirk does not seem to really be all about the money considering he rarely does endorsements. Also, I agree he is getting older but its a little early to say he is in decline. He was in a bit of a slump to start the year but has really been doing great recently. Even if he was no longer a #1 option in 2010, he would still be one hell of a second option and its not like it will be impossible for the Mavs to move Terry or even Diop to clear even more room. They are gong to have a lot of freedom and that was one of the reasons they made that trade. They would be much more stuck if they had not traded away those contracts.

[ZHAKIDD532]

Thank you...I bet that shut everybody up that were quick to bash the Mavs...Diop and Terry are the only contracts that go past 2010 and Dirk and Damp both have player options so they both could opt out in 2010, It's crazy how much hate the Mavs are getting on this forum man I never thought it was gonna be like this....keep up the hate guys....:applause:
so that makes the trade a good move?

[kentatm]

so that makes the trade a good move?

depends what you consider a success.

for long term financial flexibility it certainly is.

The loss of the picks does not really hurt as long as the team doesn't fall into the lottery and barring a major injury to Kidd or Dirk, they will probably make the playoffs this year. You can always buy into the late first round if you really want.

To this point, on the court it is a push at best. They still lost in the first round and have been inconsistent so far this year. However, Kidd is playing very well and the offense is really starting to come together. He has also been excellent defensively. It has also been clear that the players are getting much easier shots and have much improved their transition game.

An interesting aspect to the trade is it exposed Avery as an overrated coach due to his inability to check his ego and accept criticism, inability to make in-game adjustments and his inner control freak refusing to let Kidd freely run the offense.

Avery never really gave Harris free reign to run the offense. He was constantly screaming out calls which would literally stop fast breaks b/c the team would have to wait for him to decide what he wanted to do. Harris was on an extremely short leash and would be yanked at the first mistake he would make under Avery. When the local media would complain that the offense had become stale and stagnant under Avery and wonder how the free wheeling Mavs had become a slow, predictable iso based offense, he would always claim he did not have the kind of PG to do that and the iso offense was by necessity.

So when the Mavs brass bit the bullet and traded Harris for Kidd, they were under the assumption that the offense was going to be more free flowing and would help Dirk, JHo and Terry get easier shots. Instead, Avery would have Kidd walk the ball up the court, dump the ball off to Dirk in the high post and then act a weak side shooter. If Kidd ignored Avery's play calls and acted on his instincts to make a play, he would get yanked. Avery choosing to take Kidd out of the last minutes of a critical game with the Spurs just weeks after proclaiming he was excited to have Kidd b/c he knows how to finish games (implying Harris did not) was the end of Cubans faith in Avery.

Getting rid of him was a blessing for the franchise so I'll give a plus one to the trade simply for that.

Now if they miss the playoffs due in large part to Kidd, then its a failure on the court b/c the loss of the draft picks are suddenly back into the equation.

So right now I personally would say it gets a grade in the B-/C+ because

If they make the WCFs or better its an A, get to the second round its a solid B, first and out low B high C, miss them C-.

[gigantes]

very nice analysis, kentatm, and some of it was news to me. tried to rep you for it but i must have repped you recently because i wasn't allowed.

and i still don't see anybody replying to my notion that the trade was partly a calculated risk. because as in poker, you should weight the decision based on the situation at the time, not on what cards follow.

that's not the only aspect of the trade, but it was a significant one IMO.

[GOBB]

Not to take the topic off its intended target but


Joe Johnson
Ray Allen
Manu Ginobili
Marcus Camby
Tracey McGrady
Shaquille O'Neal
Brad Miller
Stephen Jackson
Jermaine O'Neal
Mike Miller
Rip Hamilton

2 players in bold have signed extensions. So they wont be FA in 2010. My point? That there is a very good chance more players will be extended/locked up thus thinning out the 2010 class from what some think it may be. I can see Manu Ginoboli getting an extension. And if Atlanta is smart? They extend Joe Johnson as well.

[Nets fan 93]

depends what you consider a success.

for long term financial flexibility it certainly is.

The loss of the picks does not really hurt as long as the team doesn't fall into the lottery and barring a major injury to Kidd or Dirk, they will probably make the playoffs this year. You can always buy into the late first round if you really want.

To this point, on the court it is a push at best. They still lost in the first round and have been inconsistent so far this year. However, Kidd is playing very well and the offense is really starting to come together. He has also been excellent defensively. It has also been clear that the players are getting much easier shots and have much improved their transition game.

An interesting aspect to the trade is it exposed Avery as an overrated coach due to his inability to check his ego and accept criticism, inability to make in-game adjustments and his inner control freak refusing to let Kidd freely run the offense.

Avery never really gave Harris free reign to run the offense. He was constantly creaming out calls which would literally stop fast breaks b/c the team would have to wait for him to decide what he wanted to do. Harris was on an extremely short leash and would be yanked at the first mistake he would make under Avery. When the local media would complain that the offense had become stale and stagnant under Avery and wonder how the free wheeling Mavs had become a slow, predictable iso based offense, he would always claim he did not have the kind of PG to do that and the iso offense was by necessity.

So when the Mavs brass bit the bullet and traded Harris for Kidd, they were under the assumption that the offense was going to be more free flowing and would help Dirk, JHo and Terry get easier shots. Instead, Avery would have Kidd walk the ball up the court, dump the ball off to Dirk in the high post and then act a weak side shooter. If Kidd ignored Avery's play calls and acted on his instincts to make a play, he would get yanked. Avery choosing to take Kidd out of the last minutes of a critical game with the Spurs just weeks after proclaiming he was excited to have Kidd b/c he knows how to finish games (implying Harris did not) was the end of Cubans faith in Avery.

Getting rid of him was a blessing for the franchise so I'll give a plus one to the trade simply for that.

Now if they miss the playoffs due in large part to Kidd, then its a failure on the court b/c the loss of the draft picks are suddenly back into the equation.

So right now I personally would say it gets a grade in the B-/C+ because

If they make the WCFs or better its an A, get to the second round its a solid B, first and out low B high C, miss them C-.
How do you give a low B to a team that lost that easilyin the 1st round? The mavs traded another 1st as well in 2010... they look to be declining so I can see lottery...not top5 but 14 maybe. If it helps you with cap... Mavs also gave up a 3 million cash exception.. not a lot of money but 3 mill was the highest amount the mavs had to give... Mavs also gave 2010 expirers Hassell, KVH, an expirer last year in Diop and an expirer after this current season in Ager( Nets declined his option), so you may say you gained cap flexibility but.. you had cap flexibility before the trade anyways with the Players I just listed and the 3 million dollar exception. Kidd is looking good... but it woulda been a matter of time untill either Dirk, Harris, J.ho, Stack or Terry asked for Avery to be fired....then Harris coulda done his thing with Carlisle(spelling?)

[kentatm]

How do you give a low B to a team that lost that easilyin the 1st round?

b/c I don't think they would have done any better with Harris against NO and they possibly would have missed the playoffs had they kept him. Remember, Harris wasn't playing due to injury when the Mavs traded him.


The mavs traded another 1st as well in 2010... they look to be declining so I can see lottery...not top5 but 14 maybe.

This is not an issue if they do not miss the playoffs. Its a risk but as long as they make the playoffs, its no big deal.


If it helps you with cap... Mavs also gave up a 3 million cash exception.. not a lot of money but 3 mill was the highest amount the mavs had to give... Mavs also gave 2010 expirers Hassell, KVH, an expirer last year in Diop and an expirer after this current season in Ager( Nets declined his option), so you may say you gained cap flexibility but.. you had cap flexibility before the trade anyways with the Players I just listed and the 3 million dollar exception.

Harris would still be on the books. If they had kept him, there would have been zero shot of going after the major FAs and especially LeBron. They looked at their roster and decided he was the most replaceable of their trade assets.


Kidd is looking good... but it woulda been a matter of time untill either Dirk, Harris, J.ho, Stack or Terry asked for Avery to be fired....then Harris coulda done his thing with Carlisle(spelling?)

Yes. It would have been a matter of time. However, getting rid of him sooner than later was a good thing. Him lasting any longer would have only set them back further. Cuban has even said several players asked to be traded if he stayed but its possible if had Avery not cut his own throat with how he used Kidd, he would still be here and the team really would be up a creek.

[ZHAKIDD532]

Personally, I believe that the Mavericks won't make the playoffs come the 2010 playoffs. That's a reason why I believe that this was a bad trade for them.

And I think that Devin Harris has tons more value to the Nets NOW than to the Mavs NOW. But in time, the Mavs would have found out how good he was and utilized him. For a Top 10 PG, the money he's getting is well worth it.

His contract came off the books for them, but I think it's more important to have good players on your team now than to have cap space to sign a significant player later. I read somewhere that only player to get a max-contract from a team that wasn't the first NBA team he played for and win an NBA Title is Shaq. That's it.

[_KP_The_Familia_]

Yaya, he got abused by some random UK streetballer, but dude has been eating PGs lunch this year. First it was Iverson. Now Deron, twice! Should make the all-star team. Devin is for real.

[SoCalMike]

15 games into the season????



:pimp:

[It's A VC3!!!]

Hey that's not fair, Deron was on a bum ankle. I am a big fan of Harris, but it's alittle early for these kind of predictions. I do think he has been tearing sh!t up though.

[Zan Tabak]

Not sure if Nash is playing tonight. But if he is..He's in trouble! (defensively)

[VCDrivesAPorscheToWork]

Not sure if Nash is playing tonight. But if he is..He's in trouble! (defensively)


Nash had a thigh contusion and sat out the last game.

Nash will play. But is it safe to say that Nash won't be 100%, especially defensively as Williams was last night?

[It's A VC3!!!]

I heard Amare is a maybe.. Can anyone verify?

[L.Kizzle]

Harris will be an All-Star this season, no doubt.

Wade
Iverson
Harris
Johnson
Allen or Carter

[3stat2]

I heard Amare is a maybe.. Can anyone verify?
Yep, he's a maybe. Sore left calf. I think it's more likely than not that he'll play though.

[Attila]

It was Stuckey who got abused lol. Iverson was guarding VC.

[wang4three]

I love Devin Harris, but Deron's ankle was bothering him all night. He was limping up and down the court and Devin just took advantage continuously. Even Fratello was like, "Devin Harris is not showing a lot of sympathy for a guy who's limping."

Devin's jump shot is a lot better than I thought and he's what Tony Parker should be.

[francesco totti]

It was Stuckey who got abused lol. Iverson was guarding VC.


ditto..



"Stuckey's the point, and Harris is the point. What we do here in Detroit, you guard your position. And when he comes into the game, Allen slides to the 2. and if Devin Harris is outplaying you, you're going to have to get better. That's what you're going to have to do -- play your matchup," Curry said.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?page=iversondebut-081107



If you guys dont watch games, at least go and read..

[_KP_The_Familia_]

lol @ people think that it's too early and I'm going overboards saying Devin is for real and going to be an all-star...y'all are idiots if you think he won't be this year

And Devin did eat up AI's food when he was in Denver this year

[brandonislegend]

LOL he ate up deron williams when he is only playing because his whole team is injured...and STILL he was 50/50 on playing...good statement.

[Godfather]

It was Stuckey who got abused lol. Iverson was guarding VC.

Curry is a dumass.

[GOBB]

And Devin did eat up AI's food when he was in Denver this year

Did you watch the game or just looked at the boxscore and compare positions? :oldlol:

[Garnett]

not Rondo

[brandonislegend]

not Rondo

he said elite PG :roll:

[Mdog1]

he said elite PG :roll:
Elite PG would be top 10. Rondo is definately in the top 10 PG's in the league.

[brwnman]

Elite PG would be top 10. Rondo is definately in the top 10 PG's in the league.

Rondo is not a Top 10 PG in this league (unless you take out a bunch of guys who are more combo than PG, but play point for their team)...

[Mdog1]

Rondo is not a Top 10 PG in this league (unless you take out a bunch of guys who are more combo than PG, but play point for their team)...
This is the way i'd have it in no order.

CP
Williams
Nash
Davis
Parker
Rondo/Arenas (hard to put a guy in the top ten that isn't playing but he is good so he is tied with Rondo)
Rose
Billups
Ford
Harris

[brandonislegend]

andre miller >>>>>>>>> rajon rondo

[AItheAnswer3]

This is the way i'd have it in no order.

CP
Williams
Nash
Davis
Parker
Rondo/Arenas (hard to put a guy in the top ten that isn't playing but he is good so he is tied with Rondo)
Rose
Billups
Ford
Harris

Jason Kidd > Rondo

[Mdog1]

Jason Kidd > Rondo
Ehhhh ummm hmmm i'm not quite sure. Rondo just won a championship, he is a better defender and is right now a better offensive player. Rondo > Kidd.

[wang4three]

This is the way i'd have it in no order.

CP
Williams
Nash
Davis
Parker
Rondo/Arenas (hard to put a guy in the top ten that isn't playing but he is good so he is tied with Rondo)
Rose
Billups
Ford
Harris

Is being top 10 in one position really elite? If you think about it, there's 30 teams in the NBA, and 10 starting point guards. To be in the top 10, that means you're the top 1/3 or 33.3%...which doesn't really ring "ELITE" to me. Maybe a good point guard, but elite? Definitely not. To each their own though, people define "elite" in many different ways, but that isn't a stringent enough definition for me.

Oh and for the record, 10 PGs I'd take over Rondo for this season:

Paul
Deron
Nash
Kidd
Devin
Billups
Baron
Parker
Rose
Calderon

And Arenas when he gets back, ofcourse.

[WhySoInsecure?]

THIS IS A FUC.KEN SH!TTY LIST!!!! I CANT BELIEVE SOMEONE IS AS STUPID AS YOU. DEVIN HARRIS IS ABOVE ROSE, BILLUPS AND RONDO, AND FORD IS ABOVE RONDO. DAM IDK WHAT THE HELL YOU WERE DOING WHILE MAKING THIS LIST!!!:rant
read

[brandonislegend]

ford, andre miller, jason kidd > rondo.

[Mdog1]

Is being top 10 in one position really elite? If you think about it, there's 30 teams in the NBA, and 10 starting point guards. To be in the top 10, that means you're the top 1/3 or 33.3%...which doesn't really ring "ELITE" to me. Maybe a good point guard, but elite? Definitely not. To each their own though, people define "elite" in many different ways, but that isn't a stringent enough definition for me.

Oh and for the record, 10 PGs I'd take over Rondo for this season:

Paul
Deron
Nash
Kidd
Devin
Billups
Baron
Parker
Rose
Calderon

And Arenas when he gets back, ofcourse.
Yeah it is hard to define elite. On one hand you are beating out over 66% of starting guards and a way higher % of PG's including backups.

PS I don't think Calderone is better than Rondo, and I am a Raptors fan.

[Mdog1]

THIS IS A FUC.KEN SH!TTY LIST!!!! I CANT BELIEVE SOMEONE IS AS STUPID AS YOU. DEVIN HARRIS IS ABOVE ROSE, BILLUPS AND RONDO, AND FORD IS ABOVE RONDO. DAM IDK WHAT THE HELL YOU WERE DOING WHILE MAKING THIS LIST!!!:rant
Apparently I was teaching people to read. Oh yeah that reminds me why weren't you in class today idiot?

[AItheAnswer3]

Ehhhh ummm hmmm i'm not quite sure. Rondo just won a championship, he is a better defender and is right now a better offensive player. Rondo > Kidd.

Championship doesn't matter. He was the 4th option on his team. Kidd, at 35, is more productive than Rondo is. Kidd's averaging 10/9/7 on 47%. Kidd's the better shooter, playmaker, has better court vision and more of a leader. Rondo will probably be better next season. Please explain how Rondo's the better offensive player. As for Kidd's defense, he's obviously not as quick as he used to be but still an average defender. Can't lockdown but stays infront of his man and contests shots.

[Mdog1]

Championship doesn't matter. He was the 4th option on his team. Kidd, at 35, is more productive than Rondo is. Kidd's averaging 10/9/7 on 47%. Kidd's the better shooter, playmaker, has better court vision and more of a leader. Rondo will probably be better next season. Please explain how Rondo's the better offensive player. As for Kidd's defense, he's obviously not as quick as he used to be but still an average defender. Can't lockdown but stays infront of his man and contests shots.
Rondo has the ability to score in bunchs. Kidd can't score like he used to be able to. Rondo's D is more than capable of making up for his lack of O any way. He is not the greatest passer but his rebounding makes up with that.

They are both good but I just see Rondo as better. His team is actually winning, and I guess that helps a little.

[Godfather]

Rondo is not a Top 10 PG in this league (unless you take out a bunch of guys who are more combo than PG, but play point for their team)...

Honestly...How can a player whose range is 4-5 ft away from the basket be an elite PG? Not to mention elite is honestly top 5 of a position. (otherwise there would be 50 elite players in the league).

[AItheAnswer3]

Rondo has the ability to score in bunchs. Kidd can't score like he used to be able to. Rondo's D is more than capable of making up for his lack of O any way. He is not the greatest passer but his rebounding makes up with that.

They are both good but I just see Rondo as better. His team is actually winning, and I guess that helps a little.

Scoring in bunches doesn't really matter since they both can't take over games. If you look at PPG, they both are averaging the same. Kidd's actually a better rebounder. Winning shouldn't be used as an argument since Rondo's playing with 3 all-stars.

[lilojmayo]

Harris is playing just like his wisconsin days a star

he been on a rampage ever since he was embrassed on Utube by the slow european man :roll:

[RecSpecs110]

This is the way i'd have it in no order.

CP
Williams
Nash
Davis
Parker
Rondo/Arenas (hard to put a guy in the top ten that isn't playing but he is good so he is tied with Rondo)
Rose
Billups
Ford
Harris

Edit: Nevermind

[gyu]

sadsdvf

[brandonislegend]

This is the way i'd have it in no order.

CP
Williams
Nash
Davis
Parker
Rondo/Arenas (hard to put a guy in the top ten that isn't playing but he is good so he is tied with Rondo)
Rose
Billups
Ford
Harris

this might be the worst top 10 i've ever seen on this forum.

[FindingTim]

Yeah it is hard to define elite. On one hand you are beating out over 66% of starting guards and a way higher % of PG's including backups.

PS I don't think Calderone is better than Rondo, and I am a Raptors fan.


not a very observant one..

[roreezy]

Rondo has the ability to score in bunchs. Kidd can't score like he used to be able to. Rondo's D is more than capable of making up for his lack of O any way. He is not the greatest passer but his rebounding makes up with that.

They are both good but I just see Rondo as better. His team is actually winning, and I guess that helps a little.


how does rebounding make up for passing when you are a point guard?

[Lebron James23]

Just wait until Lebron D's him up, he's gonna shytt his pants.

:oldlol: :applause:

[tsforthrees]

the clippers have a kid who seems to be the perfect matchup for devin harris. his name is mike taylor and he is gonna be a stud role player very soon. plays excellent defense, is quicker than anyone i've seen play this season with the exception of chris paul, and has room for improvement.

[AirGauge23]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/2008/02/28/harris_devin_getty_260.jpg

[big baller]

holy, this kid just keeps getting better and better....47 points, 8 assists, 7 rebounds, 17-17FT, 14-25FG, 2-3 3PT......wow.

comment

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=281130021

[hotsizzle]

Harris vs Suns: 47/7/8 57% from the floor:oldlol:

[rknine15]

MIP

I think i'm gonna cry.

[Rockets(T-mac)]

Damn... what a beast.....

Who has the season high in points this year?

[DuMa]

cuban is cryin his little heart out

[BFRESH44]

:roll:

[Attila]

Dallas is probably wishing they never made the trade.

[MrEncinas]

Damn... what a beast.....

Who has the season high in points this year?
Tony Parker, 55

[Jordandunk23]

seriously, who though harris could be this good?!? i mean he was a decent player but he is working his way to be one of the top pg in the game.

[ronnymac]

Dallas is probably wishing they never made the trade.
You think?:violin:

[strifed169]

Tony Parker, 55

In two OT's

but man 47/8/7, those are monster #'s I would expect only out of Lebron, the Nets have clearly untapped Devin's hidden potential letting him play how he wants, this just goes to show us how many darkhorse players there are out there who if given the proper playing opportunities would light up the scoreboards

he is extremely clutch btw, I honestly see him being the next big thing

[Nets fan 93]

MIP

I think i'm gonna cry.
:cry:
How were people writing us out of the PO's? we have a better record than the 76ers ATM

[ronnymac]

I personally rate him up there with paul. or just a little bit below. he is better then willams now. i think he might be the 2nd best PG in the league. the current crop of young and exciting PG's are gonna fantastic in the future..

[Noob Saibot]

Devin's playing like a streetballer out there, i guess its after getting embarrassed by Stuart Tanner back in England.

[ronnymac]

Tony Parker, 55
He is better then parker.

[The Nets]

Tony Parker, 55

Parker's 55pts came from double OTs so I wonder how many points Harris could have dropped if this game goes two 2OTs as well.

[ronnymac]

Devin's playing like a streetballer out there, i guess its after getting embarrassed by Stuart Tanner back in England.
Do you honestly think he was playing that seriousley?. he was goofing around and that unk got lucky.i wanna see harris play that punk with his game face on. you think that chump could pull that move off again?

[RecSpecs110]

Devin's playing like a streetballer out there, i guess its after getting embarrassed by Stuart Tanner back in England.

Yep, Devin has a chip on his shoulder. :oldlol:

[tsforthrees]

if the nets had an impact 4 man they would be a playoff team no question. i still think they are going to be in a battle for the 7th or 8th spot.

[jaydacris]

devin harris prly doesnt even remember who stuart tanner is

[The Nets]

Well you can't make a comment like this since the Mavs needed a move during last season and apparently they are going nowhere even with Devin Harris. Besides, I wonder if Harris could have been this good if he had stayed in Dallas.

[Nets fan 93]

I personally rate him up there with paul. or just a little bit below. he is better then willams now. i think he might be the 2nd best PG in the league. the current crop of young and exciting PG's are gonna fantastic in the future..
:eek:

47-7-8 that is one of the greatest performances I have seen from a Nets player since Kidd had 39-16-16 in double OT against the Suns... I guess i am used to top tier PGs :)

[Rockets(T-mac)]

Cuban is retard, and I thought that even before the trade, this just confirms it. The Kidd trade was probably the worst trade last season.

Nets' future looks nice.

[The Nets]

Honestly, I think it's time for LBJ to reconsider about the possibility to join the Nets. It seems to me that Devin Harris has the best chance to be his Pippen.

[Human Error]

Do you honestly think he was playing that seriousley?. he was goofing around and that unk got lucky.i wanna see harris play that punk with his game face on. you think that chump could pull that move off again?
Do you honestly think noob was serious? I guess this is what happens when ISH is getting dominated by teenagers who have hard times reading between the lines?

[Nets fan 93]

Do you honestly think noob was serious? I guess this is what happens when ISH is getting dominated by teenagers who have hard times reading between the lines?
Where do you rank Harris? Just asking not trying to prove you wrong or anything...

[bagelred]

Thorn is a genius. Besides raping Mavs of Devin Harris and two #1's:

He stole Vince Carter from Toronto AND dumped Alonzo Mourning's contract in their lap at the same time. To this day, I don't understand how he did that.

He traded Eddie Griffin to Rockets for Richard Jefferson and Jason Collins. Eddie Griffin is now dead........

He traded Stephon Marbury for Jason Kidd.



How the hell does he do it? :bowdown:

[Nets fan 93]

Thorn is a genius. Besides raping Mavs of Devin Harris and two #1's:

He stole Vince Carter from Toronto AND dumped Alonzo Mourning's contract in their lap at the same time. To this day, I don't understand how he did that.

He traded Eddie Griffin to Rockets for Richard Jefferson and Jason Collins. Eddie Griffin is now dead........

He traded Stephon Marbury for Jason Kidd.



How the hell does he do it? :bowdown:
http://www.medem.com/MEDEM/images/ama/ama_brain_stroke_lev20_thebraineffectsstroke_01.gi f

[k-vil]

Incredible number for an incredible player. I am wondering what is Cuban thinking now.

[lilojmayo]

Honestly, I think it's time for LBJ to reconsider about the possibility to join the Nets. It seems to me that Devin Harris has the best chance to be his Pippen.

idk like Harris is a scrub when he doesnt have the ball in his hands ala Mavs Days

LBJ will just hold him back because LBJ loves to dribble dribbble dribble the basketball

[k-vil]

Honestly, I think it's time for LBJ to reconsider about the possibility to join the Nets. It seems to me that Devin Harris has the best chance to be his Pippen.
Nope its the other way around, LBJ has the best chance to be Devin's PIP.:rockon:
Obviously just kidding here!haha

[3stat2]

His midrange game is awesome. He has the quickness, speed and handle to get closer to the basket, and several quick moves he can use to get a great look from 12-18 feet or so. He was draining them like nothing. He used a few post moves too, along with the usual drives. And he can hit the 3. He's got it all.

[Noob Saibot]

Do you honestly think he was playing that seriousley?. he was goofing around and that unk got lucky.i wanna see harris play that punk with his game face on. you think that chump could pull that move off again?

maybe Harris wuz being serious dodobrain :hammerhead: . Tanner's got some handles man. NBA players are not invinceable, they are human, like the rest of us.

[Nets fan 93]

idk like Harris is a scrub when he doesnt have the ball in his hands ala Mavs Days

LBJ will just hold him back because LBJ loves to dribble dribbble dribble the basketball
I disagree.. He motivates players to play.

[The Nets]

Thorn is a genius. Besides raping Mavs of Devin Harris and two #1's:

He stole Vince Carter from Toronto AND dumped Alonzo Mourning's contract in their lap at the same time. To this day, I don't understand how he did that.

He traded Eddie Griffin to Rockets for Richard Jefferson and Jason Collins. Eddie Griffin is now dead........

He traded Stephon Marbury for Jason Kidd.



How the hell does he do it? :bowdown:

I always regard him as one of the best GMs in this league until he traded RJ away for nothing...

[RecSpecs110]

idk like Harris is a scrub when he doesnt have the ball in his hands ala Mavs Days

LBJ will just hold him back because LBJ loves to dribble dribbble dribble the basketball

OJ Mayo is a scrub.

[VCDrivesAPorscheToWork]

I always regard him as one of the best GMs in this league until he traded RJ away for nothing...


cleared up cap space for 2010 (may not necessarily yield the big fish, but had to try for it anyway)

allowed more freer reign for Harris to blow up as he has right now. you saw RJ last year. hogging the ball and setting up for the same flare screen - midrange jumper every single game.


also makes some more money as more chinese people go to see Yi

[k-vil]

His midrange game is awesome. He has the quickness, speed and handle to get closer to the basket, and several quick moves he can use to get a great look from 12-18 feet or so. He was draining them like nothing. He used a few post moves too, along with the usual drives. And he can hit the 3. He's got it all.
Plus he has the strength in completing 3 point plays. I think he is the best PG in the east now.

[bagelred]

I always regard him as one of the best GMs in this league until he traded RJ away for nothing...

I also felt he could have got a little more for RJ. Depends on how Jianlian turns out. But I think Thorn didn't want to mess around, saw an opportunity for future cap space and went for it........

[RecSpecs110]

I always regard him as one of the best GMs in this league until he traded RJ away for nothing...

It was purely a business move. You want to stick with RJ, who clearly could not cope with Vince, and not participate in the LeBron sweepstakes?

It was either Vince or RJ. Thorn chose to move RJ.

[_KP_The_Familia_]

Yaya, he got abused by some random UK streetballer, but dude has been eating PGs lunch this year. First it was Iverson. Now Deron, twice! Should make the all-star team. Devin is for real.


15 games into the season????



:pimp:



Hey that's not fair, Deron was on a bum ankle. I am a big fan of Harris, but it's alittle early for these kind of predictions.


lol @ the first two posts following mine, really? it's too early to say he's for real and going to make the all-star team...like...really?

[lilojmayo]

OJ Mayo is a scrub.

you dont know how much i chuckle when you say that i dont even need to comment check the stat sheet buddy.:rockon:

[k-vil]

I always regard him as one of the best GMs in this league until he traded RJ away for nothing...
Maybe Rod has something in mind that we dont know. Lets just wait something for sure will gonna happen.

[RecSpecs110]

you dont know how much i chuckle when you say that i dont even need to comment check the stat sheet buddy.:rockon:

Yeah, too bad he's leading his team to the bottom of the east.

[big baller]

Yeah, too bad he's leading his team to the bottom of the east.

Memphis is in the west, o geography expert..

[dwight20-20]

god damnit! i just traded him for jason kidd in my fantasy league! :cry:

lol im kidding

[RecSpecs110]

Memphis is in the west, o geography expert..

Geographically, it's in the East. But in the NBA, it's in the Western Conference.

Let me rephrase that: He's leading his team to the bottom of the league. That better?

[Lebron23]

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/tools/med/2008/11/ipt/1228102693.jpg

[n00bie]

Harris is the new star of the Nets! Good thing for VC since he doesn't like having the whole team on his shoulders!

[ZHAKIDD532]

Devin Harris is just such an incredible player. He's capable of dropping 30 every night. Then he goes out and has games like these. Damn. He's my favorite player in the league. VOTE THIS DUDE INTO THE ALL-STAR GAME!!!

After tonight's game, he is averaging

25.3 Points
3.7 Rebounds
6.5 Assists

How do you like him now????

[lilojmayo]

Geographically, it's in the East. But in the NBA, it's in the Western Conference.

Let me rephrase that: He's leading his team to the bottom of the league. That better?


come on now lets get educated memphis arguably has the hardest first 17 games off the year in the whole league

2x spurs
2x utah
2x rockets
1x mav
1x nuggets

it getting alot easier for them in their next 8 or so games so they should pull their record up a lil bit

[lilojmayo]

this thread is about devin harris the boi a beast but really avery johnson held him back big time i remember he used to just flop and take charges during his dallas days

how did he become such a beast net fans who watch their games explain to me

[The Nets]

It was purely a business move. You want to stick with RJ, who clearly could not cope with Vince, and not participate in the LeBron sweepstakes?

It was either Vince or RJ. Thorn chose to move RJ.

But we definitely could have got better offers from the RJ trade if we didn't make a deal with Milwaukee...

[BIG FURB]

this thread is about devin harris the boi a beast but really avery johnson held him back big time i remember he used to just flop and take charges during his dallas days

how did he become such a beast net fans who watch their games explain to me

Carter took him to the side early in the season and told him the team needs him to be more aggressive. He's been driving the ball down opposing defences throats ever since (true story). This is the devin Harris I expected to see coming out of Wisconsin. Well, maybe not this good, but he was a dominant player in college and I think trying to "fit in" on a playoff team in dallas held him back

[RecSpecs110]

come on now lets get educated memphis arguably has the hardest first 17 games off the year in the whole league

2x spurs
2x utah
2x rockets
1x mav
1x nuggets

it getting alot easier for them in their next 8 or so games so they should pull their record up a lil bit

They lost to the Thunder at home. /discussion.

[Diesel J]

Rondo is not a Top 10 PG in this league (unless you take out a bunch of guys who are more combo than PG, but play point for their team)...

Rondo is more of a PG than Devin Harris is IMO. Devin is more combo

[Diesel J]

The style of ball (shoot first, pass second) Devin is playing now on the Nets wouldn't have been possible on the Mavs because of Dirk already being the primary offensive man. On the nets, Harris gets to look for his own show whenever he wants.

[ChiBulls7]

Looking forward to Devin Harris abusing Derrick Rose. Hopefully Rose will light him up on the offensive end though.


Devin Harris is shattering any chance Rose will have at the allstar game.

[#1SportsFan86]

Man F**K Avery for holding Devin back and not letting him be himself and F**k Cuban for trading him....man I'm so angry....I take back everything I said bad about Devin.

[LiL Stevie]

He is gonna abuse Kidd when they play, that's for sure.

But I'll be damned, looking at yall's top PG lists and Kidd isn't even top 10 anymore? Sure he's old and declined but he hasn't declined THAT much. He's still averaging nearly the same points, assists, rebounds and steals that he's averaged for the past three seasons. It was only this time last year that he was getting triple doubles and people were talkin bout "Kidd is still a beast, Kidd is puttin in work still" etc.

It's not like he's declined that much in one year. Only difference was before, he'd fill up the stat sheet but the Nets didn't win so his stats were the only bright spot. Now, he still fills up the stat sheet on a better team but the Mavs still don't win so it looks bad on him because Dallas made a trade thinking they were gonna get the Jason Kidd of eight years ago.

Sure, Kidd isn't top 5 anymore but not top 10? :confusedshrug:

[reppy]

Nash had a thigh contusion and sat out the last game.

Nash will play. But is it safe to say that Nash won't be 100%, especially defensively as Williams was last night?

Whoa. I had to double check and make sure this wasn't an old thread. You've returned? What's up? :cheers:

[Mewwem22]

Lmao at the Mavs...
First, they get rid of Nash when he was still in his prime.
And now, they get rid of an amazing young pg that's just starting to reach his potential.

[Mewwem22]

he is better then willams now. i think he might be the 2nd best PG in the league.
:wtf:
We've got to at least wait and see the type of leader he is before saying something crazy like that... Let's see what he does in the playoffs.

the current crop of young and exciting PG's are gonna fantastic in the future..
Definitely! :rockon:
The next generation of this league is in good hands.

[dashoebox]

the kid is a monster...kinda reminds me of iverson back during his philly days. they both need the ball to be effective. both can score in big chunks and have wicked speed. but as of now his future seems bright

[godofgods]

Devin Harris owns Deron and CP3. Fact.

[coldest]

there's no future predicting...if there any, there won't be that many poor people in this world...lol....but..well, back to the topic, what? 35+ years old PG for a 25- PG....with two lottery? WORST TRADE EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Orlando Magic]

He is not the best PG.
He is not the second best PG.
He is not the third best PG.

This guy is barely averaging 6 assists per game and his team is barely cracking .500.

He's playing with a scorer's mentality in a PG's body. That remind you of any guys from the past? The key difference is they were better.

On top of that, we're like 16 games into the season... give it 82.

As far as this year goes, there is no way I'd take him over Paul, Williams, Nash, & Billups. And that's being conservative because there are a slew of other guys that are arguable.

Way to go, Devin Harris, you've learned how to score... now learn how to lead your team and get back to me.

[loot]

Hey Orlando Magic how's Jameer Nelson doing?

[RoseCity07]

He'll get shut down playing a good team. A team that plays defense.

[TakitoEspanoza]

He'll get shut down playing a good team. A team that plays defense.

uhm, he was the main reason the Mavs beat the tough defensive Spurs in the 2006 playoffs, now stfu with your BS.

[2LeTTeRS]

He'll get shut down playing a good team. A team that plays defense.

Hejsut dropped 34 against a good team in Utah who have an elite point guard of there own in Deron Williams. Devin Harris is a stud, he's stepped his game up and of course theres going to be threads on a basketball board when a young player does that. If Rudy Fernandez or Jerryd Bayless had been playing on this level you would have already called him the GOAT.

[KeylessEntry]

I have to agree. Did people forget he is stuck on the Nets with a bunch of garbage teamates? Of course he is going to be scoring more than he did in Dallas, he is finally the first option on his team, because he doesnt play with Dirk and Howard anymore. The amount of FT he is taking per game is very impressive, but cmon we havent forgotten that he is a notorious flopper. I am not suprised that he is low on assists, since nobody else on his team can score on a reliable basis.

[TakitoEspanoza]

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :

[loot]

I am not suprised that he is low on assists, since nobody else on his team can score on a reliable basis.


Carter = a nobody

6.5 ast = low on assists (12th in league)

He's posting better numbers than Rose, who's being hailed as a good playmaker etc while Rose has as many scoring options as Harris.

[Prodigy]

Carter = a nobody

6.5 ast = low on assists (12th in league)

He's posting better numbers than Rose, who's being hailed as a good playmaker etc while Rose has as many scoring options as Harris.

Carter creates his own shots.

[wang4three]

The team is 9-4 with Harris playing. That's better than "barely cracking .500".

[loot]

Carter creates his own shots.

So? Carter can make his shots. :confusedshrug:

[ZHAKIDD532]

Not to mention he's the 7th most efficient player in the game. The only 3 players in the entire league averaging more PPG are Wade, LeBron, and Bosh.

It obviously depends on the system you play in. Some PG are asked to pass and create for others more than others. The Nets play off of Harris and Carter.

And also, they don't have a garbage supporting cast, it's called YOUNG.

[Lebron23]

He's playing like an All Star this year, and when he's on the floor the Nets are winning games.

[gpfanz]

He is exploiting Nash?

[Allstar24]

What hype? Just because a couple of people are talking about him now...which is warranted considering how well he's been playing lately. But I can see why you're bitter, who's your team's PG again?

[shawbryant]

I like his style.

[Valliant13]

I though his early big scoring was flukey and would settle down. I'm starting to feel kind of stupid. Looks like Avery was really holding this kid down with his micromangement.

[Day La Ghetto]

look at all the rats nets fans inserting devin as avatars and backing him up like they did at the end of last season when he played like trash. /sarcastic

[gigantes]

look at all the rats nets fans inserting devin as avatars and backing him up like they did at the end of last season when he played like trash. /sarcastic
i'm a nets fan and my favorite player is still kidd, who's having a very good year btw.

harris has been awesome but the season is still very young. the goal is much more than harris doing well, though- it's for lopez, anderson and CDR to have nice rookie seasons and for yi to prove that he can be a legit starter in this league.

if harris keeps playing like this the rest of his career it would be great but it's still only enough to beat good teams in the league. for the nets to beat the elite teams, more is required.

[whitebear]

he's doing what a proper nba player should be doing! playing his heart out! it is a hype because you don't see a lot of those things anymore. this will continue as long as the league continues talking about 2010 tankathon!

[_KP_The_Familia_]

Devin Harris owns Deron and CP3. Fact.

Deron for sure, I don't know about CP3, has he torched him before too?

[kumquat]

How many pasty white english street ballers are gonna abuse devin harris? Just kidding the dude is balling.

[It's A VC3!!!]

He deserves it, he is averging more points than players like Kobe, and Dirk,Tony Parker and not to mention he scored 47 points yesterday while dishing out 8 assists and grabbing 7 rebounds.:applause: WAY TO GO HARRIS.

[konex]

His confidence is sky-high right now. Very fun to watch :bowdown:

[DuMa]

I like the Nets version of Harris better than the Mavs version. the Mavs version, all he did was flop on defense.

[DuMa]

Deron for sure, I don't know about CP3, has he torched him before too?

Deron's not a great defensive PG but im gonna chalk it up to his ankle right now. He could be better at stopping Harris if he was completely healthy

[ZHAKIDD532]

If he can just stay healthy now...

Man how many great young PGs are there in the league right now...

In order in my opinion:

Chris Paul
Deron Williams
Tony Parker
Devin Harris
Jose Calderon
Derrick Rose
TJ Ford
Rajon Rondo
Rodney Stuckey

All of these guys are 27 or younger. That's some good stuff.

[blasian]

If he can just stay healthy now...

Man how many great young PGs are there in the league right now...

In order in my opinion:

Chris Paul
Deron Williams
Tony Parker
Devin Harris
Jose Calderon
Derrick Rose
TJ Ford
Rajon Rondo
Rodney Stuckey

All of these guys are 27 or younger. That's some good stuff.

Add Chris Duhon to that list. Agreed though that Harris is the best PG in the East at the moment

[ZHAKIDD532]

Add Chris Duhon to that list. Agreed though that Harris is the best PG in the East at the moment
I can see that. He'd be 9th on the list at the moment, I'd put him ahead of Stuckey I think just because Stuckey hasn't really had a shot to start yet.

[RecSpecs110]

He is not the best PG.
He is not the second best PG.
He is not the third best PG.

This guy is barely averaging 6 assists per game and his team is barely cracking .500.

He's playing with a scorer's mentality in a PG's body. That remind you of any guys from the past? The key difference is they were better.

On top of that, we're like 16 games into the season... give it 82.

As far as this year goes, there is no way I'd take him over Paul, Williams, Nash, & Billups. And that's being conservative because there are a slew of other guys that are arguable.

Way to go, Devin Harris, you've learned how to score... now learn how to lead your team and get back to me.

Yesterday, his numbers were 47/8/7, 21 coming in the 4th quarter. He single-handedly led NJ from a 13 point deficit when everyone else was struggling to make a basket, and the Nets beat the Suns on the road for the first time in 15 years.

What the **** more are you asking from the guy?

[AItheAnswer3]

Devin Harris owns Deron and CP3. Fact.
:roll:
GTFO

[danumber88]

Tony Parker v.2 is rising...

47 pts, 7 ast, 6 reb :applause:

I change my mind, Devin harris is better than Calderon

[Nets fan 93]

So? Carter can make his shots. :confusedshrug:
VC can and has a 0.423 percentage from 3 point land
PPG 23.8
RPG 4.30
APG 4.9

Stop underateing him... he is just as important as Devin

[ZHAKIDD532]

The New Jersey Nets’ Devin Harris and the Portland Trail Blazers’ Brandon Roy today were named the Eastern and Western Conference Players of the Week, respectively, for games played Monday, Nov. 24, through Sunday, Nov. 30.

Harris averaged a league-best 30.0 points on .535 shooting and added 6.8 assists and 4.3 rebounds as New Jersey went 3-1 on its West Coast trip. On Nov. 30, Harris led the Nets to their first win at Phoenix since 1993 by scoring a career-high 47 points to go along with eight assists and seven rebounds. In that game, Harris set a franchise record for consecutive free-throws made (17-17). On Nov. 26, the 6-3 guard hit the game-winning shot in overtime as the Nets beat Sacramento 116-114.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/55757/20081201/harris_and_roy_named_nba_players_of_the_week/

He has the MIP locked up tight already.

[J000]

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/55757/20081201/harris_and_roy_named_nba_players_of_the_week/

He has the MIP locked up tight already.

No doubt. The guys scoring average has sky rocketed so high, and his ability to get to the line has improved vastly. The favorite for MIP.