Dirk Nowitzki is unreal again!!!

[#1SportsFan86]

I know it was against the Thunder but Dirk had 46 Pts 8 Rebs, 4 Assists and I haven't seen Dirk put up stats like this in a long time...I'm happy that the real Dirk Nowitzki is back.

[spursdynasty420]

you wont see it for awhile again from him. so i dont think hes back

[dudeguykid]

you wont see it for awhile again from him. so i dont think hes back

exactly

[KeylessEntry]

Maybe he will get matched up against the Thunder in every single round of the playoffs this year, thats assuming the Mavs make the playoffs of course.

[malek4980]

Back? :wtf:
He's third in scoring and has scored 39 points twice already this season.

[kentatm]

you wont see it for awhile again from him. so i dont think hes back

um... he has already won WC player of the week twice this year

[BlazersDozen]

Man, I have to admit that I overly underrate Dirk Nowitzki because everytime I think about him and talk about him on ISH I think he's an overrated power forward but everytime I watch him I just get wowed. His shot looks so blah but somehow he finds the bottom of the net and there are even games where he doesn't touch the rim with the ball at all.

[Posterize246]

I know it was against the Thunder
that's where I stopped reading.

[Yung D-Will]

Though i was never a fan of the Mavs once Jason Kidd got traded there i was forced to take notice of the amazing power forward in Dirk Nowitzki the best shooting big man i've seen in my life.

[spursdynasty420]

um... he has already won WC player of the week twice this year


i think he won choker of the year to

[StephenDedalus]

i think he won choker of the year to

You're a Spurs fan making fun of a guy who averages about 40-20/5 on your team...? That's comical. It makes me question whether you are even a Spurs fan.

[west]

i think he won choker of the year to
i feel like you like to bash everyone but the spurs:sleeping

[#1SportsFan86]

i think he won choker of the year to


Man please!!! stop hating

[AirGauge23]

Who did he choke, Sasha?

[Allstar24]

that's where I stopped reading.
So what? Playing the Thunder doesn't take away the fact that he had an amazing game :confusedshrug:

[spursdynasty420]

i feel like you like to bash everyone but the spurs:sleeping

no no just dirk and amare and dantoni. I have love for everyone else. I watch every game every team plays for the most part. I give praise to plenty of players when its due. this was vs the thunder come on. I have hated dirk ever since i saw him throw his mouth piece at jason terry in the playoffs

[Silverbullit]

no no just dirk and amare and dantoni. I have love for everyone else. I watch every game every team plays for the most part. I give praise to plenty of players when its due. this was vs the thunder come on. I have hated dirk ever since i saw him throw his mouth piece at jason terry in the playoffs

You hate Dirk since he destroyed your Spurs several times :D

[Nash-tastic]

Back? Was he ever gone?

[Alonzo Magic]

A player of Dirk's calibre should never be gone in the first place.

Nowitzki is the greatest basketball player that Europe has ever produced. Only the late Drazen Petrovic and maybe Arvydas Sabonis can be compared to him.

I remember the final of the European Championships 3 years ago, he got a standing ovation from a very fanatic Greek crowd. Even though Greece won the final, Nowitzki carried Germany almost all the way, as he does in every tournament. It's actually a pretty remarkable achievement because Nowitzki has a group of players vastly inferior to their Spanish, Russian, Greek, French and Lithuanian counterparts.

Dirk should ALWAYS be "unreal", otherwise it's quite frankly a disservice to his talent.

[JJ81]

and the Thunder almost won.

[spursdynasty420]

A player of Dirk's calibre should never be gone in the first place.

Nowitzki is the greatest basketball player that Europe has ever produced. Only the late Drazen Petrovic and maybe Arvydas Sabonis can be compared to him.

I remember the final of the European Championships 3 years ago, he got a standing ovation from a very fanatic Greek crowd. Even though Greece won the final, Nowitzki carried Germany almost all the way, as he does in every tournament. It's actually a pretty remarkable achievement because Nowitzki has a group of players vastly inferior to their Spanish, Russian, Greek, French and Lithuanian counterparts.

Dirk should ALWAYS be "unreal", otherwise it's quite frankly a disservice to his talent.

your right he should be ALWAYS unreal but the fact that he isnt ALWAYs unreal and hes incosistant and a choker. thats what set him and duncan apart

[StephenDedalus]

your right he should be ALWAYS unreal but the fact that he isnt ALWAYs unreal and hes incosistant and a choker. thats what set him and duncan apart

What separates Nowitzki and Duncan is Manu Ginobli.

[Mr Know It All]

your right he should be ALWAYS unreal but the fact that he isnt ALWAYs unreal and hes incosistant and a choker. thats what set him and duncan apart

Hm, I seem to remember Dirk dominating the Spurs in 2006 en route to the Finals. Also in 2003 he was having a monster series until he was knocked out due to injury in game 4. Stop hating like a *****, Duncan played with a HOFer in David Robinson early in his career and won two titles with him. He's also played with a HOF coach and two other all stars in Parker and Ginobli.

No way am I saying Dirk is equal to Duncan, but Duncan has played with far better talent in the players and coaching department.

[spursdynasty420]

Hm, I seem to remember Dirk dominating the Spurs in 2006 en route to the Finals. Also in 2003 he was having a monster series until he was knocked out due to injury in game 4. Stop hating like a *****, Duncan played with a HOFer in David Robinson early in his career and won two titles with him. He's also played with a HOF coach and two other all stars in Parker and Ginobli.

No way am I saying Dirk is equal to Duncan, but Duncan has played with far better talent in the players and coaching department.

ginobili was injured in 2006 just like vs the lakers in the WCF last year. 2006 was a bad foul away from us winning I find it hilarious people say they stomped us.

the mavs and the suns are built around beating us. thats some high praise

[Sneakerpro]

ginobili was injured in 2006 just like vs the lakers in the WCF last year. 2006 was a bad foul away from us winning I find it hilarious people say they stomped us.

the mavs and the suns are built around beating us. thats some high praise

Basketball is the only thing the city of San Antonio has over Dallas. If I lived in San Antonio I'd be excited about Spurs too, its the only good thing in that city.

[bdreason]

you wont see it for awhile again from him. so i dont think hes back


He's 3rd in the league in scoring.... I think we'll see him score a lot many more times this year.


Dirk isn't getting the props he desrves this year. He's really playing impressive Basketball.

[Sharmer]

I know it was against the Thunder but Dirk had 46 Pts 8 Rebs, 4 Assists and I haven't seen Dirk put up stats like this in a long time...I'm happy that the real Dirk Nowitzki is back.

Joined before me, less posts, impressive.

[masonanddixon]

Joined before me, less posts, impressive.

Nice find.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kM9MYvoQn8M
he did it again:lol :lol

[ArbitraryWater]

Nice find.

I bumped it (deleted it though).. I mean, Dirk here was peak Dirk, no different from 2011, drops basically 50 and can't get 2 pages on ISH.

[DMAVS41]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kM9MYvoQn8M
he did it again:lol :lol

It's funny watching Dirk play against defense very similar to what Lebron faced on the wing post in the finals.

It just shows you the value and importance of being able to consistently make shots and score efficiently...it's just the most valuable aspect of basketball, by far, there is in the playoffs imo.

[Ncrazyballa]

to me, dirk has really underachieved in his career.

[DMAVS41]

I bumped it (deleted it though).. I mean, Dirk here was peak Dirk, no different from 2011, drops basically 50 and can't get 2 pages on ISH.

Yea...been trying to tell people this/that for years on here. I used to argue with people on here constantly about this shit when I first joined in 10.

Just for reference.

Dirk in the regular season from 08 through 10:

25/8/3 58% TS

Dirk in 11 regular season:

23/7/3 61% TS


Dirk in playoffs from 08 through 10:

27/10/3 63% TS

Dirk in 11 playoffs:

28/8/3 61% TS


This notion that something "changed" with Dirk individually in 11 has to stop. He was roughly that type of impact player going all the way back to 06...and almost all the way back to 03.

Granted little things improved and declined over the course of that stretch, but it's just the common situation of put player x in a great situation and he'll play great and you'll get great results.

Put player x in a bad situation (like asking Dirk to play center and surround him with the worst defensive help ever and hurt nash, aging finley...jamison/walker like they did in 04)...and you'll still be good, but not great...and individual play will suffer.

This isn't magic or rocket science. Players are always going to be impacted by their circumstances.

Anyone that watched Dirk consistently from like 02 on knew that you surround that guy with championship level help and a quality center and you are competing for the title.....because while Dirk might not be individually the player of a Lebron or Duncan...he was close enough in terms of impact and had an uncanny ability to mesh with any type of style, coach, player...etc....that it helped bridge that gap.

Again, we saw this all the way dating back to 03 where a pre peak Dirk was capable of dropping 38/15/2 72% TS on the road in the WCF against a peak Duncan led Spurs team.

Far from a perfect player, but he got way too much hate and not nearly enough praise for his play from about 02 through 12.

Go back and actually evaluate those rosters outside of pretty much 03 and 11. They are all pretty good, but fatally flawed for the most part.

Want to know one of the craziest Dirk stats?

Since the 01 season....Dirk's teams had a negative scoring differential with him on the bench every single year outside of 06 and 15. Only 2 years of his career essentially did Dirk have a team in which he could go to the bench...and not have his team get outscored.

Those exact numbers?

In 06 the Mavs were +.2 points per 100 possessions without Dirk
In 15 the Mavs were +2.2 points per 100 possessions without Dirk

On average, Dirk's help was -3.2 points per 100 possessions with him off the court.

Quick comparison....in Duncan's career? He's had 9 seasons of his career with his bench having a positive scoring differential with him on the bench.

On average, Duncan's help was +1.8 points per 100 possessions with him off the court.

That 5 point difference is enormous.

Duncan, obviously, was/is a better player than Dirk...that isn't my point. It's that help/coaching really does matter. It matters a ton.

And this is relevant today because the Mavs/Cuban have done a complete shit job building around Dirk for basically all of his career outside a couple smart/lucky moves.

Thank god we have that title or this would have depressing.

[DMAVS41]

to me, dirk has really underachieved in his career.


see above post for why that can't be supported at all.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

It's funny watching Dirk play against defense very similar to what Lebron faced on the wing post in the finals.

It just shows you the value and importance of being able to consistently make shots and score efficiently...it's just the most valuable aspect of basketball, by far, there is in the playoffs imo.
He ain't GOAT midrange shooter for nothing......and in 11 his numbers were never better and he took well over 10 attempts a game
2005-06: 48.2 FG%
2006-07: 49.6 FG%
2007-08: 49.4 FG%
2008-09: 47.6 FG%
2009-10: 46.7 FG%
2010-11: 52.9 FG%
That was the only time he was single covered all playoffs defended were scared shtless of him especially Miami who threw triples and even rare quadrupled....... Haven't seen a player defended like that since prime Shaq or 08 Kobe against Boston

[pastis]

The filters are:
5 point differential or less
Last 5 minutes of the game or OT

(Player Impact Estimate) - Shows what % of a game’s (clutch part of the game’s as described above) events did that player impact:

1. Dirk Nowitzki (10-11): 51.3%
2. Michael Jordan (96-97): 41.2%
3. Dwyane Wade (05-06): 40.4%
4. Lebron James (06-07): 39.5%
5. Kobe Bryant (07-08): 35.5%
6. Lebron James (11-12): 32.2%
7. Kobe Bryant (00-01): 31.4%
8. Allen Iverson (00-01): 31.0%
9. Tim Duncan (06-07): 30.6%
10. Shaquille O’neal (99-00): 30.2%


Net Rating (in the clutch as defined above) is Offensive Rating – Defensive Rating:

1. Dirk Nowitzki (10-11): +71.8
2. David Robinson (98-99): +62.5
3. Tim Duncan (98-99): +54.3
4. Shaquille O’neal (01-02): +50.3
5. Lebron James (13-14): +49.8
6. Kobe Bryant (01-02): +44.4
7. Scottie Pippen (96-97): +40.5
8. Michael Jordan (96-97): +39.7
9. Tim Duncan (13-14): +39.4
10. Lebron James (06-07): +37.3


2011 playoffs stats 4th quarter:


Dirk: 10 ppg on 51/53/94

that is alien-esque. god-esque.

[BarberSchool]

Despite all this achievement, I still feel like with his talent he should have at least the 2006 title also. Shame D Whistle shot 100FT by himself during that series, and that Dirk out rebounded his starting center 11rpg to 8. Also, Mavs backcourt was a brickfest, and dirk had a few subpar games.

Dirk should also have had another title here or there, besides 2006.
So 2-3 chips would be what he should have gotten.
Anything less is underachieving.
maybe with DeAndre and another signing he can get one last chip, over cleveland this year.


Yea...been trying to tell people this/that for years on here. I used to argue with people on here constantly about this shit when I first joined in 10.

Just for reference.

Dirk in the regular season from 08 through 10:

25/8/3 58% TS

Dirk in 11 regular season:

23/7/3 61% TS


Dirk in playoffs from 08 through 10:

27/10/3 63% TS

Dirk in 11 playoffs:

28/8/3 61% TS


This notion that something "changed" with Dirk individually in 11 has to stop. He was roughly that type of impact player going all the way back to 06...and almost all the way back to 03.

Granted little things improved and declined over the course of that stretch, but it's just the common situation of put player x in a great situation and he'll play great and you'll get great results.

Put player x in a bad situation (like asking Dirk to play center and surround him with the worst defensive help ever and hurt nash, aging finley...jamison/walker like they did in 04)...and you'll still be good, but not great...and individual play will suffer.

This isn't magic or rocket science. Players are always going to be impacted by their circumstances.

Anyone that watched Dirk consistently from like 02 on knew that you surround that guy with championship level help and a quality center and you are competing for the title.....because while Dirk might not be individually the player of a Lebron or Duncan...he was close enough in terms of impact and had an uncanny ability to mesh with any type of style, coach, player...etc....that it helped bridge that gap.

Again, we saw this all the way dating back to 03 where a pre peak Dirk was capable of dropping 38/15/2 72% TS on the road in the WCF against a peak Duncan led Spurs team.

Far from a perfect player, but he got way too much hate and not nearly enough praise for his play from about 02 through 12.

Go back and actually evaluate those rosters outside of pretty much 03 and 11. They are all pretty good, but fatally flawed for the most part.

Want to know one of the craziest Dirk stats?

Since the 01 season....Dirk's teams had a negative scoring differential with him on the bench every single year outside of 06 and 15. Only 2 years of his career essentially did Dirk have a team in which he could go to the bench...and not have his team get outscored.

Those exact numbers?

In 06 the Mavs were +.2 points per 100 possessions without Dirk
In 15 the Mavs were +2.2 points per 100 possessions without Dirk

On average, Dirk's help was -3.2 points per 100 possessions with him off the court.

Quick comparison....in Duncan's career? He's had 9 seasons of his career with his bench having a positive scoring differential with him on the bench.

On average, Duncan's help was +1.8 points per 100 possessions with him off the court.

That 5 point difference is enormous.

Duncan, obviously, was/is a better player than Dirk...that isn't my point. It's that help/coaching really does matter. It matters a ton.

And this is relevant today because the Mavs/Cuban have done a complete shit job building around Dirk for basically all of his career outside a couple smart/lucky moves.

Thank god we have that title or this would have depressing.

[DMAVS41]

He ain't GOAT midrange shooter for nothing......and in 11 his numbers were never better and he took well over 10 attempts a game
2005-06: 48.2 FG%
2006-07: 49.6 FG%
2007-08: 49.4 FG%
2008-09: 47.6 FG%
2009-10: 46.7 FG%
2010-11: 52.9 FG%
That was the only time he was single covered all playoffs defended were scared shtless of him especially Miami who threw triples and even rare quadrupled....... Haven't seen a player defended like that since prime Shaq or 08 Kobe against Boston

Yep. And he got defended like that, singled, because we had a scary good shooting team around him that made sense with Tyson in the middle.

That gave Dirk better looks from all over the court, but especially on the looks you are talking about. He got doubled less in the wing post and he just got better looks off the pick and roll/pop because teams had to stay home more often.

2011 is a perfect example of circumstances changing in a way that allows a player to excel at an optimal level.

And it's a snowball effect for shooters....you get easier shots...you make a shot or two early...you get into the flow...makes shooting the rest of the game easier...etc.

It's all connected.

[pastis]

unfortunatelly, jason terry, the second best player next to dirk, shots 3x times under 40 % in the playoffs. that hurts, escpecially in close games that are decided by one or two points

[DMAVS41]

Despite all this achievement, I still feel like with his talent he should have at least the 2006 title also. Shame D Whistle shot 100FT by himself during that series, and that Dirk out rebounded his starting center 11rpg to 8. Also, Mavs backcourt was a brickfest, and dirk had a few subpar games.

Dirk should also have had another title here or there, besides 2006.
So 2-3 chips would be what he should have gotten.
Anything less is underachieving.
maybe with DeAndre and another signing he can get one last chip, over cleveland this year.


Can't agree with this. Throughout NBA history...very few teams are winning titles with the likes of Jason Terry and Josh Howard as your 2nd option type players with Avery Johnson coaching.

You are counting 11 as expected? That was a huge over achieving year and ranks as one of the biggest upsets in NBA finals history.

Winning over 50...11 straight seasons, making the finals twice, a title, 3 trips to the WCF, a MVP, a finals MVP....on and on...

That is not under achieving given his help. Again, go evaluate the actual help and circumstances he was in.

A negative bench/supporting cast every year of his career outside of 06 and 15? With 15 being well past his prime.

Just doesn't hold up.

[BarberSchool]

[QUOTE=pastis]The filters are:
5 point differential or less
Last 5 minutes of the game or OT

(Player Impact Estimate) - Shows what % of a game

[StephHamann]

So 2-3 chips would be what he should have gotten.
Anything less is underachieving.
maybe with DeAndre and another signing he can get one last chip, over cleveland this year.

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[pastis]

damn i favorited this page:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[BarberSchool]

Yep. And he got defended like that, singled, because we had a scary good shooting team around him that made sense with Tyson in the middle.

That gave Dirk better looks from all over the court, but especially on the looks you are talking about. He got doubled less in the wing post and he just got better looks off the pick and roll/pop because teams had to stay home more often.

2011 is a perfect example of circumstances changing in a way that allows a player to excel at an optimal level.Definitely.

In 2011, Terry and Stojakovic camping out weakside, and Dirk tearing up whoever they threw at him, made the lakers have to then gamble with doubling Dirk, and then, whether an assist or hockey assist, Dirk made the right passes and shredded the lakers even worse........so once the mavs did that, OKC and miami were scared either way, and felt it was heads they win, tails we lose.

[BarberSchool]

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Sie mi

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

unfortunatelly, jason terry, the second best player next to dirk, shots 3x times under 40 % in the playoffs. that hurts, escpecially in close games that are decided by one or two points
He was a crap defender too, almost cost Dallas in game 2 against Miami by completely losing chalmers

[pastis]

You misunderstand my statement. I am praising Dirk, saying his talent was great enough to get another chip or two, dude.

well dirk trained hard and talent has to be forged. you cant be sure, but give dirk 10 years of pop or phil...and its not crazy to say that dirk would have had 2,3 rings more.

[DMAVS41]

Definitely.

In 2011, Terry and Stojakovic camping out weakside, and Dirk tearing up whoever they threw at him, made the lakers have to then gamble with doubling Dirk, and then, whether an assist or hockey assist, Dirk made the right passes and shredded the lakers even worse........so once the mavs did that, OKC and miami were scared either way, and felt it was heads they win, tails we lose.

And while Dirk's finals were good, but not great overall. He was great in the moments that mattered the most, and it's a bit unfair because he actually was really sick for one game....but his shooting did fall off a bit.

But the reason the impact was still so huge was that the pick and roll plays with Terry/Barea....the Heat decided to live with that.

Which is what most teams lived with throughout the Dirk era. Hope to stop Dirk at all costs (even doubling off the ball on pick and pop/rolls)...and make Terry/Howard/Kidd/Stackhouse/Harris...etc. beat you consistently for a series.

Well guess what. Mavs in 11 were capable of that. And so Dirk could have a not amazing series against a good team...and we could still win...because of guys like Terry/Kidd/Marion/Barea/Chandler all stepping up and making other teams pay for how they were covering Dirk.

[DMAVS41]

well dirk trained hard and talent has to be forged. you cant be sure, but give dirk 10 years of pop or phil...and its not crazy to say that dirk would have had 2,3 rings more.

Never know. Might not win any more...might win a lot more.

What I do know...is that giving Dirk 7 more teams of his career since 01 with a positive scoring differential with Dirk off the court would yield far greater results than we've seen in Dallas.

You combine that with Pop...yea...they'd be a crazy good combo.

And it's relevant today because once again the Mavs are looking like idiots putting a team around Dirk.

They put a great team around him in 03 and it's unfortunate that Dirk got hurt because it was a 50/50 chance at the title.

06 and 07 were good teams, but not great teams...and we had a shit coach.

11 was a great team (we got it by luck)...Nellie Jr. readily admits they wanted Al Jefferson and Tyson really just fell into their lap.

And since it's some smart moves and some terrible moves.

And overall it just hasn't been good....when your supporting cast averages a -3.2 scoring differential without the best player....that is not doing a great job building teams...no way around it.

Especially when the Mavs were never front loaded at all. We never had another star once Nash got hurt in 04.

So it would be one thing if we had a Shaq/Kobe or Lebron/Wade/Bosh or KG/Pierce/Allen...etc. If we had a front loaded dominant core, but we didn't even have that.

We just had a bunch of good teams...never dominant/great teams...luckily the ball bounced our way a few times in 11 and finally won...otherwise looking back now at the end would just be depressing.

[BarberSchool]

06 and 07 were good teams, but not great teams...and we had a shit coach.I forgot all about how inept Avery Johnson was. Damnit that was infuriating.

[DMAVS41]

I forgot all about how inept Avery Johnson was. Damnit that was infuriating.

Yep. People often just ignore coaching...and coaching matters...a lot for winning in the playoffs.

Generally teams built with a coach like Avery Johnson with a single star and good, but not great supporting casts....they don't win NBA titles.

They can have a lot of regular season success, but they don't win in the playoffs.

The 06 and 07 Mavs are no exception. Go evaluate those two rosters and factor in Avery Johnson coaching. You just aren't getting anywhere near a place where it's straight up underachieving if they don't win it all.

In fact, in 06...both the Heat and Spurs were favored to win the title over the Mavs going in....and the Spurs were favorites with homecourt in the 2nd round in that series.

Again, Dirk played with a lot of really good teams...just very few great teams. I think two of the Mavs teams since Dirk came were great. The 03 team and the 11 team.

Honestly that's it.