Artest V Lebron james Yao V Big Z ROCKET@CAVS.

[ronnymac]

Artest going up against LBJ. there the two strongest wing players in the league. expect alot of heavy hits. battier should also go at lbj. infact battier will start so expect him to have the first crack at king james. yao going up against Big Z. to very skilled big men. oh man this game will be fun.:rockon:

Key matchup
Ron Artest V Lebron. to of the more physical wings. the rockets bruiser must stay infront of King James and not let lebron get going early. i think the rockets will need to stop james from getting his teammates involved. let lebron beat the rockets nby himself.

Projected Starters

West
Wlliams
James
wallace
llaguskas

Houston

Alston
McGrady
Battier
Scola
Ming

[SHEED_ gangsta]

yea I've been anticipating this game for a few days


Rockets by 5+ if Yao or T Mac or Artest or Alston or Battier are not injured :roll:

[Lebron23]

This is going to be a great game. The Cavaliers are still undefeated in their home court, and i can see them continuing their winning streaks in the regular season.

Cavaliers 115, Rockets 100

[ShowTime LA]

Rockets by +9

[ronnymac]

Brooks and gibson matchup should be great. brooks is looking like a stud. as a starter he is averaging 19 and 8 while limiting billups and harris along the way. he even did a great job on chris paul. alston is returning so he'll probaly start. i personally think brooks is a better player and should continue starting with tmac helping him run the offense.

[SHEED_ gangsta]

I don't think boobie Gibson is playing

[ronnymac]

Rockets by +9
I'm a Rockets fan and i'm not gonna be game enough to tip us. this is at the cavs a place where they are unbeaten this year. they are the 2nd best team in the league. i think the rockets are nowhere near clicking yet. i think as long as we stay with them and putup a consistent 4 quarter effort, i'll be happy.

[ronnymac]

I don't think boobie Gibson is playing
Is he injured?

[SHEED_ gangsta]

yeah "toe injury" :roll: but yea I heard a few days ago he's gonna be out for close to week more but who knows

[June1026]

Rox fresh off NJ, back to back game, Cavs at home where they are undefeated... I see Tmac and Yao both having good games, other than that...

Cavs 97 - 90 Rockets

Although, i do hope Aldeman can change up the starting lineup for this game, putting Artest at starting sf, and keeping Aaron at starting pg even with Alston back in the lineup, if he can do that, I see rockets having a legit shot at pulling this one out.

[ronnymac]

yeah "toe injury" :roll: but yea I heard a few days ago he's gonna be out for close to week more but who knows
Helps our chances. but the still have a good bench. sideshow bob and wally are a couple of handy players they still got.

[brantonli]

This is going to be a great game. The Cavaliers are still undefeated in their home court, and i can see them continuing their winning streaks in the regular season.

Cavaliers 115, Rockets 100

:no: Don't underestimate the Rockets, they are 13-0 this season when scoring 100+ points, and 30-1 the last 31 times the Rockets have gotten 100+ and finally, 110-17 since McGrady got traded here when the Rocs score over 100.

Yes, I copied that all off a website.

[ronnymac]

Rox fresh off NJ, back to back game, Cavs at home where they are undefeated... I see Tmac and Yao both having good games, other than that...

Cavs 97 - 90 Rockets

Although, i do hope Aldeman can change up the starting lineup for this game, putting Artest at starting sf, and keeping Aaron at starting pg even with Alston back in the lineup, if he can do that, I see rockets having a legit shot at pulling this one out.
Adelman should make alston " earn" his starting job back.i think brooks has done a much better job as a starter then alston. alston might be better at setting up the offense, but brooks is a better scorer and is a much better player at drawing fouls and punishing people who try to double on tmac or yao.

Plus tmac can more then makeup for alstons playmaking.

[All Net]

Gibson played against the Thunder so he is back.

the point guard and center match-ups could decide this game. Rockets give the Cavs problems but one would think the Cavs take this one by 5-10 points. They are simply a better team and them being at home counts.

[ronnymac]

:no: Don't underestimate the Rockets, they are 13-0 this season when scoring 100+ points, and 30-1 the last 31 times the Rockets have gotten 100+ and finally, 110-17 since McGrady got traded here when the Rocs score over 100.

Yes, I copied that all off a website.
The Yao and tmac partnership is 181 wins and 75 losses when they play together. thats another interesting stat.

[All Net]

:no: Don't underestimate the Rockets, they are 13-0 this season when scoring 100+ points, and 30-1 the last 31 times the Rockets have gotten 100+ and finally, 110-17 since McGrady got traded here when the Rocs score over 100.

Yes, I copied that all off a website.

Considering the Cavs have only gave up 100 points 3 times this year I don't see Houston getting over 100. If they do then they have a great shot to win which will mean T-mac and Yao would of combined for at least 50 points.

[ronnymac]

Gibson played against the Thunder so he is back.

the point guard and center match-ups could decide this game. Rockets give the Cavs problems but one would think the Cavs take this one by 5-10 points. They are simply a better team and them being at home counts.
There the better team "Right now". once the rockets get everyone on the same page(post allstar break) then it's a different story. not to mention the moutombo re-signing. the gist of my post is that there better right now. the rockets are a work in progress. mcgrady is getting in better shape, but he is nowhere near ready. same as battier.

[All Net]

There the better team "Right now". once the rockets get everyone on the same page(post allstar break) then it's a different story. not to mention the moutombo re-signing. the gist of my post is that there better right now. the rockets are a work in progress. mcgrady is getting in better shape, but he is nowhere near ready. same as battier.

They are better now and will continue to be. The Rockets are very talented but will never stay healthly no matter what. Wouldn't be surprised if they lose in the first round again which is a joke considering their talent level.

I hope Houston go deep in the playoffs but I doubt they will due to their health.

[brantonli]

They are better now and will continue to be. The Rockets are very talented but will never stay healthly no matter what. Wouldn't be surprised if they lose in the first round again which is a joke considering their talent level.

I hope Houston go deep in the playoffs but I doubt they will due to their health.

That's fair enough, considering the Rocket's history. Expectations can only go so far, it's time the Rockets prove they are legit. This game is crucial. Luckily they don't have far to travel for the Cleveland game.

[Poodle Bark]

Horrible horrible horrible thread title. Hope someone starts a far more appropiate, legible title given the enormity of this game.

[ronnymac]

Horrible horrible horrible thread title. Hope someone starts a far more appropiate, legible title given the enormity of this game.
Do it you'reself troll

[ronnymac]

Horrible horrible horrible thread title. Hope someone starts a far more appropiate, legible title given the enormity of this game.
I know exactly who you are. creating a different id isnt gonna hide what a troll you truly are.

[ronnymac]

They are better now and will continue to be. The Rockets are very talented but will never stay healthly no matter what. Wouldn't be surprised if they lose in the first round again which is a joke considering their talent level.

I hope Houston go deep in the playoffs but I doubt they will due to their health.
Given the past history, i cant argue with you.

[mlh1981]

I have to attend a Christmas party tonight, so I have to miss the game. I always look forward to going against Houston, because you know you are getting 2 of the best centers in the league going at it. How often do you have matchups like these, where you have 2 supremely skilled giants going head to head?

[tmac2k8]

Rockets 105 - 99

14-0 when scoring over 100 points. I have a feeling this is the turning point of our season since we have almost a full squad now that is healthy again.

[1~Gibson~1]

Gibson is back from his injury :cheers:

Cavs 99-92

I dont think this game will go into the 100s because Cleveland and Houston both have great defenses. And i think we'll win because we're undefeated at home!

[nba_55]

Going to be hard for Rockets:
- Cavs are at home where they are undefeated
- Rockets in their 4th game on the 5th day
- T-Mac and Battier still not enough healthy to be very effective in a back2back


Nothing is impossible.

[Mdog1]

Should be a good game. Cavs will win, but whatever it will still be hard fought. Although that is what we all thought about Denver x2.

[beasted86]

Rockets by 10.

They have the leagues best SF defense duo along with a shot blocker in the lane. This will limit many attempts of LeBron to pull up jumpers and passes to open teammates.

The Cavs will need to rely on the team to beat the rockets, and sorry but Rockets > Cavs -LeBron.

[macforever]

Rockets by 10.
The Cavs will need to rely on the team to beat the rockets, and sorry but Rockets > Cavs -LeBron.
So is the Thunders.

[lilojmayo]

on ESPN steven a smith reported that Lebron has gained 25lbs of muscle since last year so i guess last here he was 250 and now he is 275

but even tho artest is 250 and is extremely physical


so it will be fun to c if artest can contain bron


fun matchup :cheers:

[shaoyut]

wow lebron has battier, artest and macgrady defending him

[Mdog1]

wow lebron has battier, artest and macgrady defending him
Yeah, but they also have to be guarded by LeBron. Artest isn't a good shooter, Battier isn't great at driving, and TMac is a poor mans Kobe. Good at everything, but not great at any thing. Any way should be fun to watch Bron destroy the defense of the Rockets.

[ronnymac]

Alston is back tonight. artest is in doubt. remains gametime decision.

[ronnymac]

Yeah, but they also have to be guarded by LeBron. Artest isn't a good shooter, Battier isn't great at driving, and TMac is a poor mans Kobe. Good at everything, but not great at any thing. Any way should be fun to watch Bron destroy the defense of the Rockets.
If anyteam can limit king james, it's the rockets with the tandom of battier and artest

[Rockets(T-mac)]

About 10 minutes until tip, hope Artest plays. What's wrong with him, ankle still bothering him?

[rox fa sho]

top 10 games of this month hopefully. tmac, yao, ron vs LEBRON and maurice williams? hahaha, good luck cleveland. nah but really, this is gonna be a very good game to watch. grab your edibles and watch the show.

rafer might be back fo rhouston. if not brooks has been showing he can handle the starting point guard job. rox on a b2b btw

rox fa sho!

[NY-Knicks]

does anyone know where i can watch the game?

[Doranku]

Rockets by 9.

[BigTicket]

WTF was that from Ben Wallace ? :confusedshrug:

[lilojmayo]

is artest playing or injured

[brantonli]

I'm fairly sure Artest is coming off the bench.

Also, nice call by the officials, from the original angle it looked like Yao got a clean block, but got all arm.

[Rockets(T-mac)]

Can someone guard Ben "scoring machine" Wallace?

[juju151111]

WTF roxs need to stop the TOs.

[TMAC-RAPTORS]

tmac needs to take over. He hides too much

[Poodle Bark]

Cavs appear very solid. Rocket Fan should understand this by now.

[2LeTTeRS]

I love that play by LeBron, having teammates who can drain those 3s like Gibson did to end the quarter only makes him more dangerous.

[brantonli]

:wtf:

[YAWN]

anyone got a link?

edit: NM found one

[dreaming121]

Everytime I look away from the game for a few minutes and just listen to the announcers. The announcers are making it feel like the cavaliers are leading by 20 or so.

[Reikon]

sorry for the delay, internet connection is down

Game Links: http://atdhe.net/live-tv-1688.html & http://www.justin.tv/piggy2k6

[TMAC-RAPTORS]

What kind of call was that???

[YAWN]

fred mcleod seems like a douche

[Poodle Bark]

Lakers Fan, learn something from this game:

CHAMPIONSHIP DEFENSE.

[juju151111]

bunch of floppers

[Rockets(T-mac)]

Good god... how the **** was that a foul on Yao? He barely even started to get position... stupid refs....:rant

[Xsatyr]

What kind of call was that???
Nothing new, Yao gets calls like that all the time.

[brantonli]

Varejo is very, very very good at acting.

[dreaming121]

lmao wtf. He was humping Yao how can Yao get that call?

[brantonli]

Lol wtf? Was that Illgauskas with the 3?

[TMAC-RAPTORS]

Clearly a charge. This game is full of make-up calls i swear.

[Rockets(T-mac)]

Cavs getting some of their own medicine, Artest with the flop. :lol

[SHEED_ gangsta]

lol Ron Ron is so jokes

[juju151111]

The refs are crazy and yao gets everything called against him.

[Indian guy]

It's 2 tough defensive teams going at each other and the league can't stand it. One awful call after another.

[brantonli]

The officials have no idea what to do, so just call BS calls.

Mcgrady get yout f**king ass down the court and block that sh**. Yes I'm pissed.

[Indian guy]

How does Hayes miss that? Such a terrific pass by T-Mac.

LeBron's way too ball dominant in this game. 4 turnovers already for him.

[BigTicket]

Great game with some hard D from both sides.

Whichever team can figure out a way to stop the turnovers will win this.

[brantonli]

I like the Rockets strategy on James, forcing him to pass it out, but the Cavs are hitting their threes....but as long as they give us the threes, then it should be fine.

I think that was just an unlucky bounce...it looked really good.

[juju151111]

How does Hayes miss that? Such a terrific pass by T-Mac.

LeBron's way too ball dominant in this game. 4 turnovers already for him.
Hayes miss almost every other layup tmac creates for him.He does this alot actually.He ythrash on offense.

[Lebron23]

Mo Williams is having a great Game. :cheers:

[Rockets(T-mac)]

I am loving the defense on Lebron, and this Artest vs. Lebron match-up is just intense. Rockets need to limit the turnovers and McGrady needs to look to attack a bit more, he's got West on him and he needs to take him off the dribble more. Looking forward to getting Yao back in the second half. Exciting first half. :applause:

[shaoyut]

tied at the half

[TMAC-RAPTORS]

do i hear double ot??

[Poodle Bark]

unless artest continues to shoot 3's like he's mark price, i see cleveland winning this. rockets are collapsing on lebron, dont know if that's the right strategy.

regardless, houston gets props from me for playing really hard on the backend of 4 games in 5 days.

[nba_55]

Refs killed Yao with their calls in the first half. Otherwise, an excellent game till now. Artest is amazing and t-mac needs to attack more. West cant stop him.

[brantonli]

Man, I nearly forgot about Yao so far.....Varejo must've done something really stupid in order to make Yao that pissed.

[Rockets(T-mac)]

Mcgrady get yout f**king ass down the court and block that sh**. Yes I'm pissed.
Yeah I hate when McGrady just gives up on fast break defense like that. :banghead:

[dreaming121]

unless artest continues to shoot 3's like he's mark price, i see cleveland winning this. rockets are collapsing on lebron, dont know if that's the right strategy.

regardless, houston gets props from me for playing really hard on the backend of 4 games in 5 days.

You can't really complain. 3-5 TPMA for Artest. Most of the three he's taking is when he was wide open.

[brantonli]

I can just imagine Stern thinking 'Damn, this is way too physical! No highlight dunks so far!' Calls up Adelman 'Hey Rick, tell your players to stop defending LeBron so tight, he needs some highlight dunks!'

[jason816]

I can just imagine Stern thinking 'Damn, this is way too physical! No highlight dunks so far!' Calls up Adelman 'Hey Rick, tell your players to stop defending LeBron so tight, he needs some highlight dunks!'


Adelman to Stern, "no no no... you go tell the Cavs, stop humping on Yao like a dog."

[TMAC-RAPTORS]

Wow!

[brantonli]

wtf Was Taht!?!!!@?

WHat WAS THAT MCGRADY?!!!! You've got a wide open lane, fast break, 1 on none, and you pass it back and settle for the jumpshot!??!!!!!!!

Jesus christ, I'm pissed at McGrady!

[Marikina]

I guess we know why the Cavs are undefeated at home. :rolleyes:

[Reikon]

WOW what an alley oop! rim level

[TMAC-RAPTORS]

wtf Was Taht!?!!!@?

WHat WAS THAT MCGRADY?!!!! You've got a wide open lane, fast break, 1 on none, and you pass it back and settle for the jumpshot!??!!!!!!!

Jesus christ, I'm pissed at McGrady!

Yeah i saw that too. I could of done better there.

[lilojmayo]

i havent watched the game but im looking atht eh box score bron 5 tos already wow Artest really is the Lebron Stoppper :cheers:

[BigTicket]

Rockets really killing us with the 3-point shots so far, hoping they cool off at some point.

[Rockets(T-mac)]

The refs are retarded, and McGrady is playing like an old man.....:ohwell:

Alston is back though. :applause:

Grab a ****ing rebounding.....

[Indian guy]

LeBron's blown some easy layups in this game.

[brantonli]

Considering James's dominance of other teams, we've done a good job on James, now McGrady, just grow some balls and take it strong to the hole.

[Rockets(T-mac)]

Considering James's dominance of other teams, we've done a good job on James, now McGrady, just grow some balls and take it strong to the hole.
I second that.

[brantonli]

lilojmajoy, here's a good link: http://atdhe.net/live-tv-1688.html

[rox fa sho]

tmacand yao needs to start getting theirs.

game on tv has no video all the sudden? WAT HAPPENED!!!

[brantonli]

Huh, that's weird, the link just has hte audio. Here's another one: http://www.justin.tv/bisktv

[Reikon]

lilojmajoy, here's a good link: http://atdhe.net/live-tv-1688.html
that link has gone to audio, here's a good one http://www.justin.tv/piggy2k6
EDIT: atdhe is back.

[Rockets(T-mac)]

McGrady literally looks like an old man out there....:banghead:

We need some offense out there, with Yao out.

[inclinerator]

video came back

[jason816]

NBA gotta stop doing this to Yao... Yao played only 10mins, and they call every foul on him... even when he did NOTHING!


Rockets better win this game, even without Yao.

[rox fa sho]

tmac and yao have to do something. yao getting bs calls so tmac has to step up but he aint? WAT THE **** GIVES TMAC? he needs to score.

[inclinerator]

lmao at artest falling

[brantonli]

God damn what was that Alston? You still had a good 2 second to bring the ball up to the three point line and make it from there......ah well.....this is embarrassing, the TOs.

[Rockets(T-mac)]

God damn what was that Alston? You still had a good 2 second to bring the ball up to the three point line and make it from there......ah well.....this is embarrassing, the TOs.
How many TOs and offensive reboundings did we give up that quarter? Lord, and can McGrady at least act like he is trying?

[rox fa sho]

yao ming still has yet to get his and theres still 12 minutes left in the game so watch out. he can play w/ fouls, but can tmac play w/ that knee on a back to back?

answers will be answered in the 4th quarter

[jason816]

T-Mac play like he's older than Mutombo out there.

[Indian guy]

and can McGrady at least act like he is trying?

He's been doubled on the catch this entire game. Hard to do much beyond dishing out assists when guarded like that.

[BigTicket]

Shots falling for the Cavs now and the lead is opening up, looks like another win and a very high quality one at that.

[inclinerator]

cavs with a run

[Indian guy]

Cleveland's class on display this whole 2nd half. Houston has barely been able to get a decent shot off.

[BigTicket]

He's been doubled on the catch this entire game. Hard to do much beyond dishing out assists when guarded like that.

It's hard but superstars manage, Lebron certainly is. McGrady just looks like he has nothing left physically.

[Poodle Bark]

Feel the pain, Houston Fan. Its come outta nowhere. I know. :oldlol:

[brantonli]

damn, Williams is on fire....gotta take advantage that Lebron isn't on floor to score more.

[lilojmayo]

ppl ive seen enough Cavs are for real

[nba_55]

Refs ruined all the game for the Rockets by giving fouls to Yao that werent even fouls.

[Lebron23]

Cleveland are definitely Rock and Rolling. :cheers:

[Indian guy]

It's hard but superstars manage

No star perimeter player gets doubled on the catch. All McGrady's been allowed to do in this game is pass.

[brantonli]

Come on Rockets!

[Indian guy]

What incredible 3pt shooting. That's single handedly kept Houston in the game.

[inclinerator]

darn bring lebron in already

[BigTicket]

Well there goes the lead, time for Lebron to come back in and fight out a close one.

[Poodle Bark]

I'm impressed. Uaually teams fold when they've been rushed like that. Yao showing tremendous heart.

[TMAC-RAPTORS]

IF the cavs win, they beat a yao less rockets. Now you see how come Yao is the best Center in the league.

[nba_55]

Cavs fans, see the Yao effect. Imagine if Rox had him for the whole game.

[brantonli]

Lol, that's very funny, the cavs fan are voting for best center in NBA and the results:

Big Z: 47%
Howard: 42%
Yao: 7%
Oden: 4%

[TMac&Luther]

Refs ruined all the game for the Rockets by giving fouls to Yao that werent even fouls.

Yep what a ****ing joke that was.........a much anticipated game between two top teams and the Refs have to take over the game and take out one of the most important players from the get go. The officiating on Yao is complete bullshit.

[1~Gibson~1]

How come Yao only played 11 minutes?

Injury?

[Indian guy]

What a game. High quality basketball right from tip-off.

[brantonli]

lol, finally Varejo gets his own.

^^ Yao got some early fouls, and got his 4th one about 20 second into the 3rd quarter.

[TMAC-RAPTORS]

How come Yao only played 11 minutes?

Injury?

No "foul trouble"

[Indian guy]

LeBron needs to relax. He's forcing it way too much out there.

[Poodle Bark]

Rocket Fan with excuses???

Go figure. :rolleyes:

[BigTicket]

Cavs are actually getting ok shots but they just wont fall right now. Really needed that 3 from Gibson, huge shot.

[brantonli]

when I think about it, in this game LeBron is playing like McGrady when he was at his best this season (probably the warriors game)

[Indian guy]

Houston was going to dodge those wide open 3's only for so long.

[1~Gibson~1]

Z fouled out!!!

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[Indian guy]

WOW...another blown AND1 for LeBron. This is very rare.

[brantonli]

This will be a bad loss for the Rockets......I hope I'm wrong.

[Reikon]

that block was just SICK!

[inclinerator]

damn lebron

[worldbefree]

Tmac should retire.

[BigTicket]

There you go, big win for the Cavs.

Rockets fought hard though, kudos to them.

[brantonli]

That was a very good block by LeBron, damn he jumps high :applause:

Eh, I think it's too much to expect another 13 in 35 from MCGrady.

[1~Gibson~1]

Looks like the Cavs are gonna win!!! :cheers: :rockon: :banana: :pimp: :hammertime: :hammertime: :hammertime::party:

[meh]

Surprising that Cavs have to struggle so much in this game. The Rockets at the tail end of a 4 games in 5 nights, on the road, with Yao in foul trouble most of the game... Cavs should've put this game away already.

They actually could've lost this game if the refs hadn't taken Yao out of the game.

[nba_55]

Tmac should retire.
T-Mac is coming back from an injury and the Rockets are in their 4th game on the 5th night. So, I didnt except him to go crazy.

[brantonli]

That was a stupid play.

[1~Gibson~1]

LeBron did his thang as usual
Mo stepped up for us tonight with 22 points
and Boobie had 11 points but most importantly 6 rebounds


....if only we had brad miller

[jason816]

game over. Refs won the game.

[brantonli]

Congrats to Cavs fans, good game....

Breaking news: McGrady to undergo sex surgery, decides to finally become a man.

[Reikon]

hard worked win for the Cavs, great game.

[rox fa sho]

well, yao ming played half the game, tmacs knee hurts a lot on a back to back, game favored cleveland more, specially w/ tmac struggling.

notta good game for houston still. had chances to win the game and blew it. yao ming couldnt get his, actually he did get fouled a lot but of corse refs wont call them, specially in cleveland.

good game from cavs. getting close to boston, but not there yet.

[Rockets(T-mac)]

Bad loss.

With Yao pretty much not playing until the fourth quarter and McGrady not showing up at all, I should be alright with this close of a game, but we had a chance of winning, and we blow it. We had way too many turnovers and pretty much had no penetration to the basket (this had a lot to do with McGrady not showing up).

Let's hope the 3 days off does McGrady some good.

[worldbefree]

T-Mac is coming back from an injury and the Rockets are in their 4th game on the 5th night. So, I didnt except him to go crazy.


T-mac

1. always coming off injury
2. makes $21 million + a season
3. always *****es and cries about injuries
4. went 2-7 tonight in over 30 mins with 4 points

He should retire.

[1~Gibson~1]

Next up for the Cavs is VS. WASHINGTON on Christmas!!!

[Indian guy]

Great game. Houston is VERY VERY good. Top 5 team in the league.

[nba_55]

From what I saw tonight, I can conclude that the Rockets are the better team. It was their 4th game in 5 days. They were in the home of the Cavs and in a back2back away game. T-Mac is still not ready for the back2backs and Yao got killed by the refs. If the refs didnt robe Yao, it would probably have been Rox game.

[TMAC-RAPTORS]

nice hard fought game cavs

[njeshizzle]

From what I saw tonight, I can conclude that the Rockets are the better team. It was their 4th game in 5 days. They were in the home of the Cavs and in a back2back away game. T-Mac is still not ready for the back2backs and Yao got killed by the refs. If the refs didnt robe Yao, it would probably have been Rox game.

whatever makes you sleep at night; rocket fans are simply excited about almost beating teams.

[artest 93]

:lol

If ANYTHING was decided tonight, it is that the Rockets are the better team. I'm not going to make an excuse for McGrady, the guy that will never be relevant in NBA history once it's all said and done, but I will make a statement for Yao: When he plays, the Cavaliers will lose. But we all know what happened there.

Back-to-back, 4th game in 5 nights. Even without McGrady, this would have been a winnable game...as long as Yao played.

[BigTicket]

yao ming couldnt get his, actually he did get fouled a lot but of corse refs wont call them, specially in cleveland.

The man got 13 ****ing FT's, what more do you want ?

[1~Gibson~1]

From what I saw tonight, I can conclude that the Rockets are the better team. It was their 4th game in 5 days. They were in the home of the Cavs and in a back2back away game. T-Mac is still not ready for the back2backs and Yao got killed by the refs. If the refs didnt robe Yao, it would probably have been Rox game.Im not gonna group you with all of the rox fans becuase i know there are fans that accept the loss as a loss to a better team but a b2b doesnt excuse only putting up 4 points. If he wasnt ready for a b2b then why did he play 30+ minutes? please dont make excuses, you just make yourself, your fave team, and sometimes your fellow fans look bad.:no:


Good game though

[1~Gibson~1]

Who was guarding T-Mac?

[brantonli]

The man got 13 ****ing FT's, what more do you want ?

I think what the guy meant was that if Yao hadn't gotten those early fouls (And especially his 4th in the beginning of the 3rd quarter) then the Rockets would've had a much better chance of winning the game. But I would agree with you, the refs weren't the problem today, McGrady was. Seriously, I think Andre Miller or some other point guard would've done a better job than he did.

^it was either West or Pavlovic I think. West to begin with then Pavlovic.

A related question: This game, who played better, PAvlovic or McGrady?

[raid09]

:lol

If ANYTHING was decided tonight, it is that the Rockets are the better team. I'm not going to make an excuse for McGrady, the guy that will never be relevant in NBA history once it's all said and done, but I will make a statement for Yao: When he plays, the Cavaliers will lose. But we all know what happened there.

Back-to-back, 4th game in 5 nights. Even without McGrady, this would have been a winnable game...as long as Yao played.

You're right.

The Rockets at 19-10 are clearly better than the Cavs at 24-4. This one game, on one night proves that... Even if it wasn't a win...

Seriously. If you are going to claim a head-to-head in December proves one team is better than the other, at least do it when it's not a LOSS against a team 5.5 games ahead 29 games in.

[Indian guy]

:lol

If ANYTHING was decided tonight, it is that the Rockets are the better team.

24-4 vs 19-10 :rolleyes:

Houston was just +2 with Yao on the floor, and close to 10 minutes of Yao's 23 minutes on the floor tonight was played with LeBron on the bench taking a breather(start of 2nd and 4th qtr). Even T-Mac played 31 minutes and played a big role behind Houston's 3pt shooting.

[artest 93]

You're right.

The Rockets at 19-10 are clearly better than the Cavs at 24-4. This one game, on one night proves that... Even if it wasn't a win...

Look at the teams they've played :oldlol: . There are alot of uneducated people that cannot think posting on ISH, and I understand that, but sometimes you have to wonder.

Battier missed 16 games. T-Mac, his usual self, injured as well.

The other thread summed it up best: The cavaliers record "insert word(s)"

[nba_55]

You're right.

The Rockets at 19-10 are clearly better than the Cavs at 24-4. This one game, on one night proves that... Even if it wasn't a win...

Seriously. If you are going to claim a head-to-head in December proves one team is better than the other, do it when it's not a LOSS against a team 5.5 games ahead 29 games in.
Rockets played their first game with all their team together.

[brantonli]

24-4 vs 19-10 :rolleyes:

Houston was just +2 with Yao on the floor, and close to 10 minutes of Yao's 23 minutes on the floor tonight was played with LeBron on the bench taking a breather(start of 2nd and 4th qtr). Even T-Mac played 31 minutes and played a big role behind Houston's 3pt shooting.

:wtf: Uh, he did?

[artest 93]

Please. Houston was just +2 with Yao on the floor, and close to 10 minutes of Yao's 23 minutes on the floor tonight was played with LeBron on the bench taking a breather(start of 2nd and 4th qtr). Even T-Mac played 31 minutes and played a big role behind Houston's 3pt shooting.

Credibility to the guy that decides a players importance to a team based on the +2. Yao Ming brought the Rockets back into the game and that was a fact, whether he did it by drawing fouls or double-teams. If he played in the 3rd quarter, this would have been a different story.

[inclinerator]

if this is true then the rockets are better than the lakers too right?

[njeshizzle]

The Rockets lost the game in Cleveland so the Huston fans are trying to win it in this thread by making excuses after excuses.

[Indian guy]

:wtf: Uh, he did?

The guy had 6 assists in the game and was doubled EVERY TIME he had the ball in his hands. You think he could've played a part in a bunch of made baskets and open 3's(even the unassisted ones)?

[Mdog1]

HAHAHA at the Rox fans making excuses (not all of them are). Please give it a rest it is pathetic. If TMac wasn't injured, if Yao had played more, bla, blah, blah. Fact is Cleveland won and that is it.

[raid09]

Rockets played their first game with all their team together.

Rockets fans have been saying this for three years.

[lilojmayo]

for you rocket fans the good note is you brought LeBron PER down with his 7 TOs

[artest 93]

HAHAHA at the Rox fans making excuses (not all of them are). Please give it a rest it is pathetic. If TMac wasn't injured, if Yao had played more, bla, blah, blah. Fact is Cleveland won and that is it.

Education is important. Please seek it.

[brantonli]

The guy had 6 assists in the game and was doubled EVERY TIME he had the ball in his hands. You think he could've played a part in a bunch of made baskets and open 3's(even the unassisted ones)?

I am not denying his playmaking ability, but the 3 pointers? From what I remember, that was more from good off ball movement and passing the rock around rather than Mcgrady. In fact, this game the only thing I liked about McGrady was his passing, but apart from that, good god...

[RedBlackAttack]

Look at the teams they've played :oldlol: . There are alot of uneducated people that cannot think posting on ISH, and I understand that, but sometimes you have to wonder.

Battier missed 16 games. T-Mac, his usual self, injured as well.

The other thread summed it up best: The cavaliers record "insert word(s)"
The Cavs beat the Rockets tonight. That is all I know. Keep crying about scheduling and whatever other lame putdown you can come up with. The Cavs will keep winning.

Let me finish that sentence for you... The Cavaliers record 'is outstanding'.

[nba_55]

The Rockets lost the game in Cleveland so the Huston fans are trying to win it in this thread by making excuses after excuses.
Only time will show which team is better.

One thing that you cant argue is that Cavs werent avantaged in that game.
Rox were in 4th game on 5th day and the game was their home. Yao played around 22 minutes and T-Mac is healthy enough to play back2back effectively. Beside those things, Rox take them to the last minute.

Remember that game thread and I will post that link in their next game which will be in Houston.

[1~Gibson~1]

meat caption obvious's good friend

http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/eduwonkette/upload/2008/01/excuse%2520terminator.gif

[Indian guy]

Credibility to the guy that decides a players importance to a team based on the +2.

Nobody's denying Yao's importance to the team, but Houston fans are making it sound like Cleveland got crushed when Yao was on the floor. Which is simply not true. They were +2 with Yao on the floor and that is with LeBron not being on the floor for 10 of Yao's 22 minutes.

[artest 93]

The Cavs beat the Rockets tonight. That is all I know. Keep crying about scheduling and whatever other lame putdown you can come up with. The Cavs will keep winning.

Let me finish that sentence for you... The Cavaliers record 'is outstanding'.

The point is that you cannot compare the two teams records, not because of injury, but because of the quality of opponents played. "The Cavs didn't make the record" -- Same applies to the Rockets 22 game win streak last year, but that didn't stop people from discrediting it.

[supraman]

24-4 vs 19-10 :rolleyes:

Houston was just +2 with Yao on the floor, and close to 10 minutes of Yao's 23 minutes on the floor tonight was played with LeBron on the bench taking a breather(start of 2nd and 4th qtr). Even T-Mac played 31 minutes and played a big role behind Houston's 3pt shooting.

I dunno whether Indian Guy was watching the same game or just bsing. Tmac playing a big role??? man thats laughable. The +2 crap means nothing, the officiating was terrible. Yao had 2-3 bogus calls, he played only half the game. If anyone played a big role it was Alston. not tmac.

[Mdog1]

Education is important. Please seek it.
:cry: :cry: :cry: That is all people think when they talk to Rox fans. They are reminded of being around two year olds who just saw a chocolate bar and their parents just said they can't have it. :cry:

[artest 93]

Nobody's denying Yao's importance to the team, but Houston fans are making it sound like Cleveland got crushed when Yao was on the floor. Which is simply not true. They were +2 with Yao on the floor and that is with LeBron not being on the floor for 10 of Yao's 22 minutes.

Why was LeBron not on the floor the same time as Yao? Was it because of foul trouble? Or was it because he was resting? Was it voluntary or necessary? The better word would be required. The Cavaliers are a great team and rightfully 2nd place in the East, but their schedule has been in their favor. Anyone arguing that is an idiot.

[Indian guy]

I am not denying his playmaking ability, but the 3 pointers? From what I remember, that was more from good off ball movement and passing the rock around rather than Mcgrady.

A lot of Houston's 3pters came off the ball swinging to the weak side after the double team on T-Mac. Believe me, he may not have assisted those 3's but he sure as hell was THE reason for the shooter being wide open.

[artest 93]

:cry: :cry: :cry: That is all people think when they talk to Rox fans. They are reminded of being around two year olds who just saw a chocolate bar and their parents just said they can't have it. :cry:

Exactly what you'd expect from a typical ISH homer/troll :lol

[nba_55]

meat caption obvious's good friend

http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/eduwonkette/upload/2008/01/excuse%2520terminator.gif
One thing is sure. We will beat you guys next time in our home becuz as I looked at your record in road against teams over .500, I saw 2-4.

[njeshizzle]

The point is that you cannot compare the two teams records, not because of injury, but because of the quality of opponents played. "The Cavs didn't make the record" -- Same applies to the Rockets 22 game win streak last year, but that didn't stop people from discrediting it.

Yeah but last year the Rockets, during their 22 game winning streak, weren't beating their opponents by the same numbers or as convincingly as Cavs are beating their opponents.

[artest 93]

Yeah but last year the Rockets, during their 22 game winning streak, weren't beating their opponents by the same numbers or as convincingly as Cavs are beating their opponents.

Was that why they broke/tied the amount of games won in double digits in a row at the time?

[raid09]

Why was LeBron not on the floor the same time as Yao? Was it because of foul trouble? Or was it because he was resting? Was it voluntary or necessary? The better word would be required. The Cavaliers are a great team and rightfully 2nd place in the East, but their schedule has been in their favor. Anyone arguing that is an idiot.

Nobody's arguing that the Cavs schedule has been hard. People are arguing:

1) Discrediting the Cavs schedule as a testament to them being a top 3 team is stupid. This is not college. Any team in the NBA can beat any other team on any night.

2) Tonight far from shows the Rockets are better than the Cavs. Even if one game could ever show that, it certainly wouldn't be a loss against a team with a much better record.

[njeshizzle]

One thing is sure. We will beat you guys next time in our home becuz as I looked at your record in road against teams over .500, I saw 2-4.

LOL! How do you know this for SURE lets talk about that game when it comes in the mean time the Rockets lost so quit making excuses.

[Mdog1]

Only time will show which team is better.

One thing that you cant argue is that Cavs werent avantaged in that game.
Rox were in 4th game on 5th day and the game was their home. Yao played around 22 minutes and T-Mac is healthy enough to play back2back effectively. Beside those things, Rox take them to the last minute.

Remember that game thread and I will post that link in their next game which will be in Houston.
Lets just hope that the Rox can keep it within 5 points nect time.

[njeshizzle]

2) Tonight far from shows the Rockets are better than the Cavs. Even if one game could ever show that, it certainly wouldn't be a loss against a team with a much better record.

That's Huston fans rationality.

[1~Gibson~1]

One thing is sure. We will beat you guys next time in our home becuz as I looked at your record in road against teams over .500, I saw 2-4.if thats what you think then preach on brother. just remember these things: 99-90, T-Mac: 4 points

Im sure it'll be another good game next time we meet

[nba_55]

Lets just hope that the Cavs can keep it within 5 points nect time.
Fixed

[brantonli]

Rockets 22 win streak, average margin: 12.36 pts
Cavs current 14 home streak: 14.21 pts
njeshizzlem so actually, the margin of victory by the Rockets last year and the CAvs is only 1 basket.

[njeshizzle]

If cavs kept that 14 point lead and expanded on it we wouldn't be hearing this senseless comments by Houston Fans. I think the Rockets biggest lead was either 2 or 4 points during the whole game..sure it was close but Cavs were mostly on top.

[njeshizzle]

Rockets 22 win streak, average margin: 12.36 pts
Cavs current 14 home streak: 14.21 pts
njeshizzlem so actually, the margin of victory by the Rockets last year and the CAvs is only 1 basket.

Thats one basket to many.

[Mdog1]

Fixed
No I meant Rockets. Because lord knows they won't be 1) healthy. 2)Refs will "cheat" them out of the game. 3)Yao will have an off night (TMac, Artest, Rafer, someone will). 4) Rox fans will make any excuse they can to try and find a reason why the team doesn't suck.

[brantonli]

Thats one basket to many.

Uh, lol ok.

[artest 93]

Thats one basket to many.

It's "too" many. Also, we are comparing a HOME WIN STREAK to a WIN STREAK that included games on the road

[nba_55]

if thats what you think then preach on brother. just remember these things: 99-90, T-Mac: 4 points

Im sure it'll be another good game next time we meet

That s going to be another reason why we will win. T-Mac is going to be healthy cuz usually he is healthy in the second half of the season and we wont be on a back2back.

Thinking...
Basically, we close you guys without T-mac and half yao.

[artest 93]

No I meant Rockets. Because lord knows they won't be 1) healthy. 2)Refs will "cheat" them out of the game. 3)Yao will have an off night (TMac, Artest, Rafer, someone will). 4) Rox fans will make any excuse they can to try and find a reason why the team doesn't suck.

The ONLY excuse that is acceptable tonight is the 4 game in 5 nights. No one uses "off" nights and injury as an excuse, at least not for the Rockets. An off night excuse? People are bashing Tmac for that, not excusing him :lol

[nba_55]

No I meant Rockets. Because lord knows they won't be 1) healthy. 2)Refs will "cheat" them out of the game. 3)Yao will have an off night (TMac, Artest, Rafer, someone will). 4) Rox fans will make any excuse they can to try and find a reason why the team doesn't suck.
Yao didnt have an off night. Refs killed him.
Altleast, we will have one reason less; we wont be on our 4th game in 5 days and we wont be in your home.

[Mdog1]

That s going to be another reason why we will win. T-Mac is going to be healthy cuz usually he is healthy in the second half of the season and we wont be on a back2back.

Thinking...
Basically, we close you guys without T-mac and half yao.
Here is the thinking that I have. Every team the Cavs have played twice (except the Hawks) they beat the team both times, and the second time they beat the team worse. Rox fans should know how injuries effect the team and Big Z and Boobie were both injured in the Hawks game. That is why we didn't win that one. So when we play the Rox next time it will be a double digit win. good game though.

[1~Gibson~1]

Why cant rox fans just accept the loss and move on? If the Cavs wouldve lost we wouldve accepted it. But instead of just accepting the loss they wanna make excuses as to why the are still the better team (even though they werent better to begin with), why they loss (whether it be the refs or t-mac), and how they're gonna win next time because t-mac is going to be healthy. :oldlol: Just mentioning the words "t-mac" and "healthy" makes me laugh.

[el_locoteee]

Nobody's denying Yao's importance to the team, but Houston fans are making it sound like Cleveland got crushed when Yao was on the floor. Which is simply not true. They were +2 with Yao on the floor and that is with LeBron not being on the floor for 10 of Yao's 22 minutes.

He would foul out Cleveland front court, that's why.

All the double team T-mac have the first 3quaters, would have never happen and if they still double instead of Hayes, Yao would be a recipient of those passes.

Yao our #1 option #1score. Take your #1option of the filed and the Cavs locked like crap.

[njeshizzle]

It's "too" many. Also, we are comparing a HOME WIN STREAK to a WIN STREAK that included games on the road

Touche, I didn't know this site was keen on grammatical errors.

[Mdog1]

Yao didnt have an off night. Refs killed him.
Altleast, we will have one reason less; we wont be on our 4th game in 5 days and we wont be in your home.
I don't care about 4 in 5. People were criticizing the Cavs when they lost to the Hawks on their 4th in 5. People criticzed the Cavs for losing to the Pisstons in 4th of 5 nights. No excuses.

[brantonli]

Touche, I didn't know this site was keen on grammatical errors.

If you think that was bad, dude stick around, people get a heck more touchy about grammar than a 'to' to 'too'.

[njeshizzle]

Just mentioning the words "t-mac" and "healthy" makes me laugh.

Healthy T-Mac is actually a oxymoron.

[nba_55]

Here is the thinking that I have. Every team the Cavs have played twice (except the Hawks) they beat the team both times, and the second time they beat the team worse. Rox fans should know how injuries effect the team and Big Z and Boobie were both injured in the Hawks game. That is why we didn't win that one. So when we play the Rox next time it will be a double digit win. good game though.

Can you name a contender team that they played twice and beat them by double digit?
I will wait for your answer cuz I am sure that it s going to take a long timmmmmmmmmmeeeeeeeeee.

[el_locoteee]

Why cant rox fans just accept the loss and move on? If the Cavs wouldve lost we wouldve accepted it. But instead off just accepting the loss they wanna make excuses as to why the are still the better team (even though they werent better to begin with), why they loss (whether it be the refs or t-mac), and how they're gonna win next time because t-mac is going to be healthy. :oldlol: Just mentioning the words "t-mac" and "healthy" makes me laugh.

We lost but we are proud not to be a flopping ass team. Your superstar, is one of the worst flopper in the NBA, can't play defense without flopping, can't drive without flopping in the minimum contact. This Cavs are the new Utah. Just a bunch of flopping crying team.

[1~Gibson~1]

He would foul out Cleveland front court, that's why.

All the double team T-mac have the first 3quaters, would have never happen and if they still double instead of Hayes, Yao would be a recipient of those passes.

Yao our #1 option #1score. Take your #1option of the filed and the Cavs locked like crap.lebron is more valuable to the cavs than yao is to the rockets

[artest 93]

I seriously hope these are not the only Cavaliers fans on ISH. Or, at least, not the smartest :lol

Good game and goodnight. :lol

[nba_55]

I don't care about 4 in 5. People were criticizing the Cavs when they lost to the Hawks on their 4th in 5. People criticzed the Cavs for losing to the Pisstons in 4th of 5 nights. No excuses.
So you agree that its hard to win in a 4th game in 5 days cuz the Cavs lose it both?

[njeshizzle]

We lost but we are proud not to be a flopping ass team. Your superstar, is one of the worst flopper in the NBA, can't play defense without flopping, can't drive without flopping in the minimum contact. This Cavs are the new Utah. Just a bunch of flopping crying team.

An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument. Typically, this fallacy involves two steps. First, an attack against the character of person making the claim, her circumstances, or her actions is made (or the character, circumstances, or actions of the person reporting the claim). Second, this attack is taken to be evidence against the claim or argument the person in question is making (or presenting).

[1~Gibson~1]

We lost but we are proud not to be a flopping ass team. Your superstar, is one of the worst flopper in the NBA, can't play defense without flopping, can't drive without flopping in the minimum contact. This Cavs are the new Utah. Just a bunch of flopping crying team.We have exactly 1 flopper on our team. Anderson Varejao.


http://www.changeforge.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/noexcuses.gif

Try this on for size

[nba_55]

An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument. Typically, this fallacy involves two steps. First, an attack against the character of person making the claim, her circumstances, or her actions is made (or the character, circumstances, or actions of the person reporting the claim). Second, this attack is taken to be evidence against the claim or argument the person in question is making (or presenting).
wtf???:wtf: :wtf:

[njeshizzle]

So you agree that its hard to win in a 4th game in 5 days cuz the Cavs lose it both?

How did you read that and come to that conclusion? See a regular/average reader with no bias towards, or not known for making excuses, would come to the conclusion, after reading that post, that its easy to make excuses for losing.

[raid09]

Yao had 13 FT's in 22 minutes, and people are crying about refs?

[njeshizzle]

wtf???:wtf: :wtf:

What the problem is..?!

[1~Gibson~1]

wtf???:wtf: :wtf:he's saying your argument is irrelevant.

[Poodle Bark]

From a losing team perspective, the Rockets were possibly the best 9-point loss team of alltime tonight.

Wow, what an excellent loss. Who needs a win when you can lose in such a dominating fashion.

[nba_55]

How did you read that and come to that conclusion? See a regular/average reader with no bias towards, or not known for making excuses, would come to the conclusion, after reading that post, that its easy to make excuses for losing.
I read between the lines. The Cavs lost to Hawks and Pistons on their 4th game on the 5th night even though they are a better team. That situation disadvantaged them and the same thing happened to the Rockets tonight.

[Mdog1]

Can you name a contender team that they played twice and beat them by double digit?
I will wait for your answer cuz I am sure that it s going to take a long timmmmmmmmmmeeeeeeeeee.
Sorry had to take a pee, and just read this little tid bit. Denver. That is the one that comes to my mind without really thinking about it.

[Mdog1]

I read between the lines. The Cavs lost to Hawks and Pistons on their 4th game on the 5th night even though they are a better team. That situation disadvantaged them and the same thing happened to the Rockets tonight.
Well you actually read some lines that you can only read with Rocket read goggles on because that is no where near what any person actually thinks.Rocket fans jsut need more excuses.

[nba_55]

Sorry had to take a pee, and just read this little tid bit. Denver. That is the one that comes to my mind without really thinking about it.

Nuggets are good, but they are not contenders. They dont have any good center.

[nba_55]

Well you actually read some lines that you can only read with Rocket read goggles on because that is no where near what any person actually thinks.Rocket fans jsut need more excuses.
Save that link:
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=2495705 ( Today s game thread)
I will repost in their next game.

[Godfather]

Nuggets are good, but they are not contenders. They dont have any good center.


You are a clown. Nene is an excellent center, who is better than 80% of centers out there.

[Mdog1]

Nuggets are good, but they are not contenders. They dont have any good center.
That is true, but the Rockets are not contenders either. They haven't been out of the first round in like 6 years at least.

[u83]

I seriously hope these are not the only Cavaliers fans on ISH. Or, at least, not the smartes

Your complaints were dealt with and you ignored the rebuttals and continued spewing your tripe. Only really bored people like me would continue to argue with such a sore loser.

Yao lost a good chunk of minutes and it was a back-to-back road game. Boo goo. The Cavs know all about back-to-backs and playing 4 games in 5 days. They've had about as many b2b's as the league will even allow. They've also gone entire games without their center. You attack the Cav's record, but... if we take your excuses for tonight's game and apply them to the Cavs' season, they deserve to be ~27-1.

Not to mention, it's not even very convincing that the Rox were better off with Yao in. Lebron was benched during half of Yao's minutes. This was dealt with earlier. In any case, you can't chalk up his foul trouble purely to the refs. The Cavs like to go at him and bait him into fouls. IIRC Yao vs Z is always a foul-ful matchup, because they both like to push people like crazy and end up having to push even more when someone is actually big enough to push back. You're so quick to blame the refs for foul trouble, instead of gameplan and matchup.

[04mzwach]

congratulations to the cavs for beating a team with a one-legged McGrady.

[el_locoteee]

IIRC Yao vs Z is always a foul-ful matchup, because they both like to push people like crazy and end up having to push even more when someone is actually big enough to push back. You're so quick to blame the refs for foul trouble, instead of gameplan and matchup.

Big Z have nothing to do with Varajao and Wallace flopping on Yao for two of the wort call all years, and we in Houston are use to seen bad calls against Yao but this 2 are so bad is not even close to an offensive foul. If funny because on the 4th quarter Varajao try to do it again and go call for a foul on him this time, to bad Yao have to watch the first 3 quarters from the bench.

[el_locoteee]

"I know it probably happens, but it's pretty amazing a team can go the whole third quarter and never get a foul called," he said. "No hand check, no body, I mean 12 minutes? They are awfully good." -Adelman

[June1026]

"I know it probably happens, but it's pretty amazing a team can go the whole third quarter and never get a foul called," he said. "No hand check, no body, I mean 12 minutes? They are awfully good." -Adelman

http://images.usatoday.com/sports/gallery/2003nbadraft/26lebron-stern.jpg

BFF <3

[abuC]

Wow, some of you Rocket fans sound like absolute babies.

[tmac2k8]

Big Z have nothing to do with Varajao and Wallace flopping on Yao for two of the wort call all years, and we in Houston are use to seen bad calls against Yao but this 2 are so bad is not even close to an offensive foul. If funny because on the 4th quarter Varajao try to do it again and go call for a foul on him this time, to bad Yao have to watch the first 3 quarters from the bench.

Even if you like the Cavs and feel they won this game in legit fashion, No one can argue that those two calls were horrible, it was absolutely ridiculous...I didn't know the air could knock your head back that far, wow...I understand 1 or 2 bad calls can't be the blame for a team losing the game, BUT when those bad calls result in your main player being out for most of the game, that sure does affect the outcome of the game. That's all I'm saying, I'm not saying we would have won or anything, I'm just saying those were some very VERY bad calls in favor of the Cavs that caused us to have to sit our star out for half the game. See you in Houston.

[ronnymac]

Well done to the cavs and there fans. they earned there win. we will learn from this game and move on. considering the circumstances, we did pretty darn well to be this close. tmac's body right now cant handle 2 games in 2 nights or 4 games in 5 nights. i think he'll be alot better in a month or so. again cav fans best of luck till we meet again.

[jason816]

Big Z have nothing to do with Varajao and Wallace flopping on Yao for two of the wort call all years, and we in Houston are use to seen bad calls against Yao but this 2 are so bad is not even close to an offensive foul. If funny because on the 4th quarter Varajao try to do it again and go call for a foul on him this time, to bad Yao have to watch the first 3 quarters from the bench.


yep, Yao stood still with both his arms raised when Varejao tried to flop again, finally the refs called the foul on Varejao.(maybe the refs were thinking, damn, this is way too obvious to call an offensive foul on Yao...)

[raid09]

"I know it probably happens, but it's pretty amazing a team can go the whole third quarter and never get a foul called," he said. "No hand check, no body, I mean 12 minutes? They are awfully good." -Adelman

13 FTs in 23 minutes is quite a lot for a player who the refs are holding a conspiracy against, don't you think?

[brantonli]

13 FTs in 23 minutes is quite a lot for a player who the refs are holding a conspiracy against, don't you think?

I'm fairly sure you saw the game, but in casey you didn't, most of Yao's FTs came in the 3rd quarter, not the fourth. But I think this thread should die, I'm sick of it.

[ronnymac]

:lol

If ANYTHING was decided tonight, it is that the Rockets are the better team. I'm not going to make an excuse for McGrady, the guy that will never be relevant in NBA history once it's all said and done, but I will make a statement for Yao: When he plays, the Cavaliers will lose. But we all know what happened there.

Back-to-back, 4th game in 5 nights. Even without McGrady, this would have been a winnable game...as long as Yao played.
Get the **** out of here. he had a bad game. it happens. tmac at his best is our best player. the guy will get there. he was averaging 21-8-8 prior to this game. yeah a 7 time allstar 2 time scoring champ with 16989 points is not relevant. you are a yao only fan and anyone can see that.putting tmac in you're avatar so noone suspects you. under cover hater.

[KeylessEntry]

Get the **** out of here. he had a bad game. it happens. tmac at his best is our best player. the guy will get there. he was averaging 21-8-8 prior to this game. yeah a 7 time allstar 2 time scoring champ with 16989 points is not relevant. you are a yao only fan and anyone can see that.putting tmac in you're avatar so noone suspects you. under cover hater.

I dont know what you are smoking, but tmac is averaging 16-5-5 this season, and 22-5-6 on his career. How does that translate into 21-8-8?

[niko]

I'm not sure what the hell some of you people were watching. The cavs pretty systematically took care of Houston. it reminds me of a spurs game, it doesnt look like the spurs should be in it, but they are winning or close the whole time, then put their foot on the other teams throat and BANG, done.

thats what i saw. a pretty businesslike win.

[Mdog1]

For all the complaints about fould didn't it end up like 31 Rockets-28 Cavs? And our C actually fouled out so I don't see a problem there. People question how the Cavs would do with LBJ on the bench, but LBJ isn't stupid enough to keep fouling people. Yao should have learned how the refs were calling the game and stopped playing the way he was. He would not have been benched the entire game.

[nba_55]

I dont know what you are smoking, but tmac is averaging 16-5-5 this season, and 22-5-6 on his career. How does that translate into 21-8-8?
After coming from his injurie, he was something like 21-8-8

[nba_55]

For all the complaints about fould didn't it end up like 31 Rockets-28 Cavs? And our C actually fouled out so I don't see a problem there. People question how the Cavs would do with LBJ on the bench, but LBJ isn't stupid enough to keep fouling people. Yao should have learned how the refs were calling the game and stopped playing the way he was. He would not have been benched the entire game.
Well, all he did was posting normally like everyone and then, they called a foul on him. So, you want him to stop posting and wait on the 3pt line, so that he doesnt foul?

[1~Gibson~1]

Well, all he did was posting normally like everyone and then, they called a foul on him. So, you want him to stop posting and wait on the 3pt line, so that he doesnt foul?the refs didnt gang together b4 the game and decided they wanted yao out of the game. Obviously Yao did something wrong to get those fouls. As a Rockets fans of course you're gonna disagree with the refs when they call a foul on Yao.