Feminists crying because Obama didnt put enough women in his cabinet [Archive] - Message Board Basketball Forum

starface

12-23-2008, 06:29 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/12/22/women.cabinet/index.html

Boy is minority whining in this country really on full blast.

Apparently Obama has filled only 5 positions in his 20-position cabinet with women. 'Not good enough' say the feminists. Apparently their mantra is qualifications-be-damned, we want quotas!

Still tho, i think the women got it pretty good with Obama. If it was me in the white house, they'd only have three positions in the cabinet. Secretary of Cooking, Secretary of Cleaning, and Secretary of Takin Care of the Kids.

kentatm

12-23-2008, 06:32 AM

women outnumber men in this country smart guy.

CelticForce1349

12-23-2008, 06:35 AM

women outnumber men in this country smart guy.

What are the odds that Starface has a GF? I take that back, many of the republicant "women" I know seem to take pride in a certain amount of mistreatment from their "men."

starface

12-23-2008, 06:42 AM

big surprise, a couple feminists right here in this thread

fly awayyyy, lesbian seagull....

Mathius

12-23-2008, 07:05 AM

Yeah well. I also read the liberals are pissed because he didn't pick enough liberal-leaning people in his cabinet. People can just f*ck off. He needs to pick whoever is best for each job. I'm so tired of this left leaning, right leaning, bullsh*t.

This country's going down the sh*tter fast and we can't keep doing things the same way anymore.

Mathius

InspiredLebowski

12-23-2008, 07:29 AM

Bunch of Dixiecrats are pissed about the lack of Southerners appointed as well.

If anyone should feel shafted it's Howard Dean.

RainierBeachPoet

12-23-2008, 07:42 AM

i knew this type of thing would start happening. i just didnt think it would take place so soon

people have very unrealistic expectations of obama and interpreted "change" from the perspective of their own particular agenda. the guy is a moderate democrat and a pragmatist, so the selections should not be so surprising

is the honeymoon over before it even begins? give the guy a break and lower expectations-- especially with the country's current financial situation

Hotlantadude81

12-23-2008, 08:21 AM

big surprise, a couple feminists right here in this thread

fly awayyyy, lesbian seagull....

:roll: :roll:

That reminds me of an episode of Beavis and Butthead.

Odomize

12-23-2008, 09:09 AM

Basically what the feminist are asking is for Obama to put in more women in his cabinet just for the sake of having more women in the cabinet.

rufuspaul

12-23-2008, 09:28 AM

Basically what the feminist are asking is for Obama to put in more women in his cabinet just for the sake of having more women in the cabinet.

Exactly. Talk about hippocites. These are the same women who were insulted by the Sarah Palin pick.

Sharas

12-23-2008, 09:40 AM

when it comes to crucial positions in running a country, you don't choose anyone based of sex, ethnicity, religion and so on. those positions are just too important.

i don't give a f*ck, if these are twenty men, or twenty women, or twenty hermaphrodites. i'm all for affirmative action in some, well chosen and restricted areas...but when it comes to this you choose the most able ones, everything else is wrong, with no ifs and buts.

SoCalMike

12-23-2008, 09:49 AM

it sure is difficult to please everyone, eh?

:pimp:

Rasheed1

12-23-2008, 09:53 AM

alot of people will be lobbying for alot of things and most will complain when they dont get what they believe is rightfully theirs...

the thing I notice about americans is evident in this thread...

We dont look for solutions, we complain about others who complain....

no wonder nothing gets done around here.. :confusedshrug: feminists and other groups are of course going to try and milk the Obama presidency for all its worth...

not a big deal..... it ranks up there with latinos who are mad that they didnt get enough people in the cabinet and gays who dont like like a certain reverend.....

I think people need to turn the television off for a while... its giving you a twisted idea of real people

rufuspaul

12-23-2008, 10:00 AM

I do think it's a good idea to have a Secretaray of Blowjobs on Demand though.

Cannonball

12-23-2008, 12:30 PM

when it comes to crucial positions in running a country, you don't choose anyone based of sex, ethnicity, religion and so on. those positions are just too important.

http://perrylogan.org/images/obama_smoking.png

Hawker

12-23-2008, 01:57 PM

Those women are stupid.

Looks like Kent and Celticforce are already having some disagreements with Obama.

Real Men Wear Green

12-24-2008, 09:09 AM

Kent and Celticforce didn't complain about the # of women in the Cabinet in this thread. They may not like it, but gave no such indication.

women outnumber men in this country smart guy.
:oldlol:
I had the same thought.

Odomize

12-24-2008, 09:30 AM

He should've just picked these people for his cabinet:

One black female
No other black males (since he's already a black male)
One white male
One white female
One asian male
One asian female
One latino male
One latino female
One native american male
One native american female
One male gay
One lesbian
One male midget
One female midget

That way, all the minorities are happy..
What about the hippies man. Stop discriminating the hippies man...

Real Men Wear Green

12-24-2008, 09:35 AM

The only selection I thought was bad was Rick Warren, who isn't really a part of the cabinet but is definitely offending pro-Choice women and gays. I can understand that he truly believes in trying to unify all races, genders, and points of view, but he at least could have found an anti-gay marriage/pro-life pastor who didn't make his case so venomously. Still, in his acceptance speech, he said, to the people that didn't vote for him, "I will be your President, too." I and others may not like Warren, but this is him staying true to his word, at least symbolically. I'll only get upset if he starts legislating Warren's opinions, but am not going to object strongly to him acknowledging Warren's beliefs.

InspiredLebowski

12-24-2008, 10:14 AM

Quick, who gave W's or Clinton's invocation?

I can see why homosexuals would be upset about Warren, but the level of hype it's gotten is ridiculous. Instead of getting any at length discussion of controversial cabinet picks like Holder and Salazar, who y'know, could actually have some say in policy, we get this. I'm only 24, did you always have to actively seek out important information instead of being able to flip on the news?

Real Men Wear Green

12-24-2008, 10:38 AM

I'm only 4 years your senior, but can't recall a time when we got good info either.

Rockets(T-mac)

12-24-2008, 10:48 AM

This is so pathetic, people are more concerned about getting one of their own in cabinet, rather than getting the best person for the job.....stupid, stupid people :ohwell:

dnyk1337

12-24-2008, 10:59 AM

They can go **** themselves. Feminists are the worst people to be around. They're worst than those environmentalists that think they're all righteous because they eat vegetables only, and recycle. When you ask them why they eat only vegetables, they say because meat comes from a living thing. :wtf: Last time I checked, plants were living things also. They never do anything either way. They just like to talk about their "views" and go around protesting in the streets. If only they used that energy to actually clean up garbage from the streets. But I guess they'd rather talk about it.

Feminists are the same. Let 'em rot. Having more pvssy than dick in the cabinet is going to help us how? More sexual disasters?

/rant before I go to bed!:violin:

sunsfan1357

12-24-2008, 01:56 PM

Maybe they'll be happy when Caroline Kennedy gets Hillary's Senate seat despite only having her last name to back her up.

hito da god

12-24-2008, 01:59 PM

women outnumber men in this country smart guy.
a minority group is defined as a group who socially is seen as unequal or inferior. women are a minority group.

Real Men Wear Green

12-24-2008, 02:24 PM

a minority group is defined as a group who socially is seen as unequal or inferior. women are a minority group.
No.
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2LeTTeRS

12-24-2008, 04:36 PM

No.

I bolded the definition that comes closest to supporting you, but in order for that to apply to women, it'd also have to apply to men, which not even people that misuse the term do. 51% of the population is female. They are not a minority.

Depends, as far as sociology is concerned he's right. They define majority/minority by social power not numbers.

starface

12-24-2008, 05:30 PM

No.
I bolded the definition that comes closest to supporting you, but in order for that to apply to women, it'd also have to apply to men, which not even people that misuse the term do. 51% of the population is female. They are not a minority.

i thought it was common knowledge that women are considered a social minority. i mean i've only known it since about the sixth grade. if they were seen as socially equal, why would there even be feminists?

Real Gay Men Wear Rainbows, its nice that you always want to go to painful distances to make sure nobody ever has a feeling hurt, everything is always fair and just and everyone has an equal amount of everything. really, its very big-hearted of you.

unfortuntaly tho you lack a brain. and testosterone. you are neither intelligent nor manly. you are a whining, crying, sensitive emotional femi-man. no real man respects ******* like you, and no real woman is attracted to them.

but hey, at least you're making sure nobody ever hurts a lab-rat in a shampoo trial, or ever says a politically incorrect word that might hurt a persons feeling who is half way across the world. at least you're keeping busy with those important efforts. you go girl.

Real Men Wear Green

12-24-2008, 06:02 PM

i thought it was common knowledge that women are considered a social minority. i mean i've only known it since about the sixth grade. if they were seen as socially equal, why would there even be feminists?
Discrimination is not always about being in a minority group.

Real Gay Men Wear Rainbows,

Give up. Seriously, that was lame.

its nice that you always want to go to painful distances to make sure nobody ever has a feeling hurt, everything is always fair and just and everyone has an equal amount of everything. really, its very big-hearted of you.
Not true. I hurt your feelings frequently, which is why you're still trying to come at me.

unfortuntaly tho you lack a brain. and testosterone. you are neither intelligent nor manly. you are a whining, crying, sensitive emotional femi-man. no real man respects ******* like you, and no real woman is attracted to them.

but hey, at least you're making sure nobody ever hurts a lab-rat in a shampoo trial, or ever says a politically incorrect word that might hurt a persons feeling who is half way across the world. at least you're keeping busy with those important efforts. you go girl.
Pathetic.

Real Men Wear Green

12-24-2008, 06:04 PM

Depends, as far as sociology is concerned he's right. They define majority/minority by social power not numbers.
That's not the commonly held definition of the term. The issues of women and minorities have been linked, but they don't fit the normal definition. Some sociologists may differ, but definition is based on common usage.

Mathius

12-24-2008, 08:51 PM

Is it legally possible for a former president (even George W. now) to serve as a cabinet member after they've served their terms?

Mathius

picc84

12-24-2008, 10:00 PM

Feminists are always crying.

Its so un-feministic.

Posts Penyeach

12-24-2008, 10:28 PM

I bolded the definition that comes closest to supporting you, but in order for that to apply to women, it'd also have to apply to men, which not even people that misuse the term do. 51% of the population is female. They are not a minority.
Just because he can't come up with the right word doesn't mean you can throw the dictionary at him and have that resolve things. What he means is not "minority" but "marginalized group," and women are definitely a marginalized group, even now. 50% of the population but what % of the economic and political power in this country? 10%? That is the problem feminists have.

The thing about this era in history is that everyone has a voice now, and it's easy to fit that voice in a category. Most feminists and people who believe that women are underrepresented in the sectors of society that they think matter most, do not have a problem with Obama or his cabinet. Those mad at him, in fact, are probably bitter Hillary supporters. This is not the feminist voice. Feminists who are upset at Obama for his cabinet selections and intelligent, earnest feminists should not be confused. For you to equate them does nothing but go against the mostly good cause of feminism. Dismiss this for what it is: some moron with zero sense of perspective who just gets a thrill out of expressing outrage. There are many such people but they form their own category; they do not represent any other.

Besides, most feminists I do know (and I do know a couple fairly serious ones) are thrilled at Obama for giving Hillary his top cabinet spot. I can see how some twisted sect might view that as simply having her under his wing, so he can watch her or boss her around or whatever, but again, I suspect most appreciate the move.

shighkin

12-25-2008, 02:01 AM

Is it legally possible for a former president (even George W. now) to serve as a cabinet member after they've served their terms?

Mathius
Absolutely, as long as they meet certain guidelines about business dealings, etc. That was the main thing they had to work out when he offered Hillary the State job was whether there would be a conflict of interest with some of Bill's relations, i.e. his charity, his international business dealings. I guess they decided she was okay.

As for the topic at hand...Hillary Clinton at State, Janet Napolitano at National Security, Susan Rice as UN Ambassador...he may have picked less women than men but it's not like he was putting them at "soft" positions in the Cabinet. These feminists are complaining for the sake of complaining.

I love how the only people complaining about Obama's job so far in transition are the super-liberal blogs like Daily Kos and Huffington Post. I'm pretty liberal myself, but I feel like when it's the fringes of your own party that are the ones complaining, and the other side is generally okay with it (today Pat Robertson of all people said he was very pleased with the way Obama was handling the transition so far) you're doing something right, because that means Obama is making good on his promise to try to represent the entire country and work across party lines.

Real Men Wear Green

12-25-2008, 08:17 AM

Just because he can't come up with the right word doesn't mean you can throw the dictionary at him and have that resolve things. What he means is not "minority" but "marginalized group," and women are definitely a marginalized group, even now. 50% of the population but what % of the economic and political power in this country? 10%? That is the problem feminists have.

The thing about this era in history is that everyone has a voice now, and it's easy to fit that voice in a category. Most feminists and people who believe that women are underrepresented in the sectors of society that they think matter most, do not have a problem with Obama or his cabinet. Those mad at him, in fact, are probably bitter Hillary supporters. This is not the feminist voice. Feminists who are upset at Obama for his cabinet selections and intelligent, earnest feminists should not be confused. For you to equate them does nothing but go against the mostly good cause of feminism. Dismiss this for what it is: some moron with zero sense of perspective who just gets a thrill out of expressing outrage. There are many such people but they form their own category; they do not represent any other.

Besides, most feminists I do know (and I do know a couple fairly serious ones) are thrilled at Obama for giving Hillary his top cabinet spot. I can see how some twisted sect might view that as simply having her under his wing, so he can watch her or boss her around or whatever, but again, I suspect most appreciate the move.
I'm not saying the issue was "resolved," but like a few others on this thread I'm amused to see starface screwing up. I have in no way said that Obama's cabinet picks are a slight towards women. I did complain about the selection of Rick Warren, but went out of my way to point out that it's not a big deal to me. You're aiming this post at the wrong guy.

Akrazotile

12-26-2015, 02:51 AM

Akrazotile

12-26-2015, 02:52 AM

women outnumber men in this country smart guy.

This was supposed to be relevant somehow??

:roll:

GIF REACTION

12-26-2015, 02:55 AM

Wow, we thought it was bad back then. Boy did we have no idea what we were in for. :lol
The messiah!

Write a book

Nick Young

12-26-2015, 02:57 AM

Let's make sure 50% of coal miners, rough necks and city sanitation workers are female. Right now these professions are 95% male, 5% female. Fight misogyny and gender discrimination on all fronts!

longtime lurker

12-26-2015, 04:15 PM

Let's make sure 50% of coal miners, rough necks and city sanitation workers are female. Right now these professions are 95% male, 5% female. Fight misogyny and gender discrimination on all fronts!

You are such a bitter bitch.

Dresta

12-26-2015, 06:19 PM

You are such a bitter bitch.
Nah, that's you: always whining about racism like the little girl you are.

When are you gonna take responsibility for your own failures? It's pretty clear to me that you aren't getting anywhere in life because you're a delusional idiot who blames the vague abstraction of 'white people' for everything that goes wrong in his life.

This is what happens when the reform and improvement of the self is exchanged for some abstract desire to improve and reform 'society' - a legion of longtime lurkers are created, and they're a real pain in the ass: they never do anything, or achieve anything, and they're always making impracticable, stupid, and self-serving demands of everybody else.