Amare vs Celtics Jan 19: 30 Minutes, 3 Points, 1 Rebound

[Day La Ghetto]

good night amare, literally

[blackification]

0-7 fg 4 fouls 4 turnovers. #1 fantasy pick. Epic fail at its finest.

[Day La Ghetto]

4 turnovers

[DuMa]

he did not have a dream today

[CasterL]

i saw the game and he was sucking horribly, couldnt do anyhting right

[godofgods]

Not surprising. He's the second most overrated player in the league after Kobe.

Scalabrine pwns Amare.

Kerr must've regretted not trading this clown for KG when he had the chance.

[3stat2]

That was the worst game I've ever seen him play.

[Showtime]

What are you talking about? He's a franchise player that deserves a max deal. /Amare

[BlazersDozen]

I've been saying for at least two years that this guy is massively overrated and everybody would flame me...now people see the light.

[kentatm]

He's the man alright

[blackification]

He sure did bring his gorilla game.

[Riker]

He sure did bring his gorilla game.

Just what I wanted to say.



He said he feels players aren't afraid of him as they used to be.





O really?

[04mzwach]

He sure did bring his gorilla game.
yeah, gorilla, not guerilla like he actually meant.

[ChiBulls7]

Maybe they'll trade him to the bulls?

[malek4980]

0-7 fg 4 fouls 4 turnovers. #1 fantasy pick. Epic fail at its finest.
:applause: :applause:

[SESSEL15]

Not surprising. He's the second most overrated player in the league after Kobe.

Scalabrine pwns Amare.

Kerr must've regretted not trading this clown for KG when he had the chance.

Another Kobe hater? Well just for the record, he is the most talented player of this decade, and one of the most talented players to every step foot on an NBA court, whether you or any Kobe Hater likes that.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Did Shaq actually make Amare better? It seems to me that Shaq has rejuvenated this season while Amare becomes worse...

[reppy]

Did I miss something? Was there a specific reason this thread was warranted?

[leopoldstotch]

Seems the rest of the NBA have finally smartened up, and found out Amare has just 3 post moves and a fast break guy. He doesn't play defense, and rarely ever hustles or overpowers for a rebound. We can make a statement about his knee injury affecting his game, but being that Amare is a professional, he should know how to adjust his own game.

[Duncan21formvp]

good night amare, literally

Wow

[AznTacoLover]

He sure did bring his gorilla game.

Haha! tru dat. :oldlol:

[Godfather]

Did I miss something? Was there a specific reason this thread was warranted?

When was the last time an all star starting forward put up up such a terrible game? I think this has to be one of the worst games on both ends in 5 years.

[statman32]

When was the last time an all star starting forward put up up such a terrible game? I think this has to be one of the worst games on both ends in 5 years.
His defense was fine 2nite outside of 2 off boards he gave up. It was a hell of a lot better than the Suns team overall.


Amare will continue to put up these numbers if Porter treats him like a role player. We saw what he could do when he was the focal pt and Porter ****ed with it again, and now you see what it has done to the whole team.

This team flourishes when we go to Amare early in the game. It opens up the floor for the shooters, it gives Shaq more room down low, we turn it over 10x less than we do when we force it inside to Shaq. But Porter continues to show that not only can he not speak English, but he cant coach worth a lick.

He lost this team 2nite. If he makes the right choices he can win it back, but I doubt he has that abilty.

[Godfather]

His defense was fine 2nite outside of 2 off boards he gave up. It was a hell of a lot better than the Suns team overall.


Amare will continue to put up these numbers if Porter treats him like a role player. We saw what he could do when he was the focal pt and Porter ****ed with it again, and now you see what it has done to the whole team.

This team flourishes when we go to Amare early in the game. It opens up the floor for the shooters, it gives Shaq more room down low, we turn it over 10x less than we do when we force it inside to Shaq. But Porter continues to show that not only can he not speak English, but he cant coach worth a lick.

He lost this team 2nite. If he makes the right choices he can win it back, but I doubt he has that abilty.

Porter didn't go 0 for 7 from the field. Porter didn't play atrocious D. Porter hasn't seriously regressed because of a lack of intensity and desire.

[rox fa sho]

wat is that? i've never seen that before.

[sixerfan82]

The problem with Amare is that he just seems like a more skilled Kenyon Martin, that being the product of a great PG

[G-train]

3 points + 1 rebound in 1 game
21 points + 9 rebounds over 391 games

what a ridiculous, moronic thread

[statman32]

The problem with Amare is that he just seems like a more skilled Kenyon Martin, that being the product of a great PG
Amare has proven in the past he could put up big numbers w/o Nash. Do not even get me started with that. Amare is struggling now because Porter has reduced him to a role player. He is trying to fit in but he cant be that guy that rarely gets the ball on offense. When Porter unshackles him, you will see a huge change in Amare and the Suns. I mean, IF Porter does that.

[TakitoEspanoza]

Mr. Nowitzki would never have a game like this

Mr. Nowitzki >>>>>>>>>>>> Mr. Stoudemire

[statman32]

Mr. Nowitzki would never have a game like this

Mr. Nowitzki >>>>>>>>>>>> Mr. Stoudemire
:lol

I love your contributions.

:hammertime:

[Godfather]

lol

[bdreason]

I think he's doggin it.

The guy was killin it earlier this season, then he just started acting like he doesn't care all of a sudden.

Maybe he's pushing for a trade so he doesn't have to wait until 2010 to get out of Phoenix?

[statman32]

I think he's doggin it.

The guy was killin it earlier this season, then he just started acting like he doesn't care all of a sudden.

Maybe he's pushing for a trade so he doesn't have to wait until 2010 to get out of Phoenix?
EVen though its gonna hurt the Suns, I'm hoping he gets traded. Golden St and Chicago are my 1st choices.

Suns would take

Hinrich/Tyrus Thomas/1st rounder for Amare
Wright/Randolph/Maggs for Amare

Rose
BG
Deng
Amare
Gooden

SICK

Crawford
Ellis
Sjax
Amare
Biedrins

SICK

[kap]

give him a break, his mother passed not too long ago. begining of the season he was playing like a monster, but after that incident he seemed to be strugglin a bit.

[wang4three]

I'm going to the Knicks -PHX game tommorrow night. Hopefully Amare's amped up to go for 60. I'd like to see that.

[3stat2]

I'm going to the Knicks -PHX game tommorrow night.
Damn you. What I wouldn't give to be able to watch a Suns game against D'Antoni in Madison Square Garden.

And that's assuming Amare hasn't broken his hand from smashing his locker after today's game. Which he tends to do after losses like these...

After today's exceptionally forgettable showing, the next game is going to show a lot about his character and maturity. I think this just might have been the worst game of his whole basketball career, and it's a pity I had to watch it.

[JJ81]

:bowdown:

[bence23]

we plain suck ass.

get ridda porter and let gentry or EJ coach the rest of the year.

ANYONE other than tp

[Flashbeanie]

give him a break, his mother passed not too long ago. begining of the season he was playing like a monster, but after that incident he seemed to be strugglin a bit.

It was Barbosa's mother. Amare's mother is incarcerated.

[Riker]

Maybe they'll trade him to the bulls?

My lord!!! YES please.

[Mdog1]

I hope he gets traded. All of this sucking recently is really lowering his value though, and the Suns would be smarter to trade him sooner rather than later.

[Riker]

By the 2010...Suns will finally be subjected to blow-up.

No more dragging these "hopes" of champ caliber team with this squad.

I feel bad for Shaq, J Rich and Hill. But Amare...is wack.

http://i39.tinypic.com/2by6a8.jpg

This is unforgivable.

[3stat2]

This is unforgivable.
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=0dJu1Jj7VTw

[redhonda76]

Amare is struggling now because Porter has reduced him to a role player. He is trying to fit in but he cant be that guy that rarely gets the ball on offense. When Porter unshackles him, you will see a huge change in Amare and the Suns. I mean, IF Porter does that.

There is a reason why Amare is reduced to a role player because he is overrated. Why do you think D Antoni and Porter came to the same conclusion of Amare. I'm so sick and tire of people just overrating Amare. People put him the top 2-3 pf of the game. Way too high for a guy that can't play defense and limited post game. Average defenders? hell no.... below average because he gives no effort and his head is not in the game. I would like the Suns to ship him out so he can have a new start and have the team totally built around him.

[stephanieg]

He was probably depressed after learning his first name is actually Amar'e.

[statman32]

Quit making excuses for him. Whatever reduction Porter made for him on offense, I SERIOUSLY doubt that he told him to grab as few rebounds as possible.

You can make excuses for the decrease in his offensive production and I can understand that, but neither you or anyone else can make excuses for his horrid rebounding.
Hey moron. I never excused his rebounding or lack of effort on the boards. Learn to read ****face. I'm giving facts. Amare struggles when he doesnt get involved offensively. It almost always directly correlates to his rebounding.

[Biddy77]

Hey moron. I never excused his rebounding or lack of effort on the boards. Learn to read ****face. I'm giving facts. Amare struggles when he doesnt get involved offensively. It almost always directly correlates to his rebounding.

that's not a magical thing... it's because he acts like a baby and doesn't put out effort in other areas when he's not getting his touches/numbers.

kobe, wade, lebron... those guys are widely considered the 3 best players in the league, and when they aren't scoring, what do they do? set people up, continue to play defense, rebound, etc.

in other words... they contribute.

[statman32]

that's not a magical thing... it's because he acts like a baby and doesn't put out effort in other areas when he's not getting his touches/numbers.

kobe, wade, lebron... those guys are widely considered the 3 best players in the league, and when they aren't scoring, what do they do? set people up, continue to play defense, rebound, etc.

in other words... they contribute.
Good point. Amare is not as good as those 3. You are brilliant. :applause:

[Day La Ghetto]

i agree with everything statman is saying but i cant get over the rebounds, theres no excuse

shaq should be in the role where amares at right now, 3rd option

right now it looks like to me

shaq
shooters
amare
nash iso

and this team could easily have 5 more wins then the do in the last month but theyve blown them all in the final plays

28-11 sounds and looks alot better then 23-16


changing the offense to revolve around amare is going to help amare and hurt nobody though in my opinion

[SCY]

This team is embarrassing to watch as a basketball fan. It's hard to think of another team in NBA history that's underperformed as much as this one.

[redhonda76]

changing the offense to revolve around amare is going to help amare and hurt nobody though in my opinion

Changing the offense revolves around Amare is going to help Amare but it will hurt the team. Amare is not a good enough passer or makes the right decision when he have to give up the ball. He's best instinct is to put the ball to the hoop and that's it, just like Zach Randolph. I think that this is why the declining Shaq is still a better option than Amare.

[The_Yearning]

Lmao just last year we had fools saying Amare>D12

Lmao u mad staman brah? u mad? gtfo..

[EricForman]

Hey moron. I never excused his rebounding or lack of effort on the boards. Learn to read ****face. I'm giving facts. Amare struggles when he doesnt get involved offensively. It almost always directly correlates to his rebounding.


So what you saying is if he doesn't get the ball and shots early, he doesn't try to play defense and rebound, right?

Some superstar.

[StephenDedalus]

Mr. Nowitzki would never have a game like this

Mr. Nowitzki >>>>>>>>>>>> Mr. Stoudemire

I don't think anyone is debating that Dirk is better, it's pretty much fact.

[StephenDedalus]

i agree with everything statman is saying but i cant get over the rebounds, theres no excuse

shaq should be in the role where amares at right now, 3rd option

right now it looks like to me

shaq
shooters
amare
nash iso

and this team could easily have 5 more wins then the do in the last month but theyve blown them all in the final plays

28-11 sounds and looks alot better then 23-16


changing the offense to revolve around amare is going to help amare and hurt nobody though in my opinion


I agree with this. I don't like how Shaq is getting so many more touches. Amare should get a touch every time down the floor ideally.

[lilmarcgasol]

I've been saying for at least two years that this guy is massively overrated and everybody would flame me...now people see the light.
Me too he great as a second option but he can't be a first option, puts up empty stats never comes through when you need him and plays no defense and doesn't care about rebounding I got flamed by everyone whenever I said that now everyone sees the light and the Amare **** patrol are no where in sight.

[Flashbeanie]

Amare can't stay on the floor. I rarely if ever see Amare not go to the bench in the 1st qtr with 2 fouls. He commits too many fouls. By necessity, the offense then flows through Shaq. I just Amare to own up in one of these press conferences and say "I f'd up. I sucked tonight." But instead, he always blames it on external circumstances.

[lilmarcgasol]

This team is embarrassing to watch as a basketball fan. It's hard to think of another team in NBA history that's underperformed as much as this one.
Baron Davis
Eric Gordon
Al Thornton
Marcus Camby
Chris Kaman
Zach Randolph

[bdreason]

Baron Davis (injured)
Eric Gordon
Al Thornton
Marcus Camby (injured)
Chris Kaman (injured)
Zach Randolph (injured)

To be fair.

[kentatm]

To be fair.

ha, but this is a message board where people will accuse you of dogging it even if you are playing with injury.


as for Amare, the dude wants to be the man yet never does anything other than score. Even Dirk comes up with assists, boards, hell even blocks and steals when his shot isnt falling and he is called a one dimensional scorer. I mean, what does that make Amare then?

The Suns have sadly been plagued by me first players that if they had checked their egos at the door could have helped create a dynasty. Joe Johnson, Marion and Amare have robbed Suns fans of titles with their selfish attitudes.

[Jasper]

I do not watch the Suns , if I see a game it's maybe on ABc if and or when I would see Amare play.
But all the games I've ever watched he has a power game around the hoop using his athletic skills instead of fundamental skills to create a shot.

So I pose this question to Suns fan's that watch him religiously :

What post move shots has Amare ever developed as a

Dominate move
Secondary move
Variation move

:confusedshrug:

All I've ever seen is flip shots , dunks and put backs besides his jumper from mid range.
I think he would help the Sun's in the long run , but has Shaq ever helped him with post play moves ?

[Maniak]

Not surprising. He's the second most overrated player in the league after Kobe.

Scalabrine pwns Amare.

Kerr must've regretted not trading this clown for KG when he had the chance.

Oh please....

Amare is very good, but he is not getting the green light he needs, Shaq is, and I see no problem with him struggling against the ex-DPOY KG anyways. This whole board is polluted by a bunch of Suns haters, you guys have one of the most predictable agendas.

[kentatm]

Oh please....

Amare is very good, but he is not getting the green light he needs, Shaq is, and I see no problem with him struggling against the ex-DPOY KG anyways. This whole board is polluted by a bunch of Suns haters, you guys have one of the most predictable agendas.


KG was on Shaq for the majority of that game. Amare was going up against Scalabrine.

[Maniak]

KG was on Shaq for the majority of that game. Amare was going up against Scalabrine.

Eww, logic and watching a game?

I'll just stick to being a complete tool :D

[Day La Ghetto]

I do not watch the Suns , if I see a game it's maybe on ABc if and or when I would see Amare play.
But all the games I've ever watched he has a power game around the hoop using his athletic skills instead of fundamental skills to create a shot.

So I pose this question to Suns fan's that watch him religiously :

What post move shots has Amare ever developed as a

Dominate move
Secondary move
Variation move

:confusedshrug:

All I've ever seen is flip shots , dunks and put backs besides his jumper from mid range.
I think he would help the Sun's in the long run , but has Shaq ever helped him with post play moves ?

bulldozing and zig zagging his way to the basket and midrange are really it

he can do a turnarounds from right outside the paint but dosent use it much

[highwhey]

ever heard of a bad night dumbass?

yes, everyone has had one of those. i love ish, no seriously i do. when a player performs good, you all are for him, once he starts playing horribly...all of you bash him. good for you ish. :applause:

[Jasper]

bulldozing and zig zagging his way to the basket and midrange are really it

he can do a turnarounds from right outside the paint but dosent use it much

Any insight why Porter or Shaq isn't helping him develop a down low post play ?
He is so athletic , you would think someone would show him Kevin McHale vids or something ...

[blackification]

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/2009/01/20/20090120spt-suns.html

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/ian_thomsen/01/20/suns/index.html?eref=T1

So who do you think will be Kerr's highest bidder?

Media goes off on the guy half way through the season lol.

[lilojmayo]

Is amare upset? like does he want to be traded i heard reports that he did.

[picc84]

It amazes me that the Suns could be as talented as they are and still not be a dominant team. Shaq, Nash, Amare, JRich, Hill, Barbosa. They're starting lineup boasts 5 allstar, former allstar, or allstar caliber at one time players. Then Barbosa who was a near 20ppg scorer. They are unquestionably the most talented, loaded team in the league and still arent very dominant. Weird.

[blackification]

It amazes me that the Suns could be as talented as they are and still not be a dominant team. Shaq, Nash, Amare, JRich, Hill, Barbosa. They're starting lineup boasts 5 allstar, former allstar, or allstar caliber at one time players. Then Barbosa who was a near 20ppg scorer. They are unquestionably the most talented, loaded team in the league and still arent very dominant. Weird.
Having a bad coach who can't control his players, balance his offense, motivate players and make them buy into his game plan does that to you.

[redhonda76]

ever heard of a bad night dumbass?

yes, everyone has had one of those. i love ish, no seriously i do. when a player performs good, you all are for him, once he starts playing horribly...all of you bash him. good for you ish. :applause:

I can understand having a bad night of scoring just 3 points, but how can you explain just 1 rebound? When you cant score on certain night, you can do other stuff to help the team. The bottom line is that he just doesn't care anything but to score.

[Real Men Wear Green]

You know, it's just one bad game vs. a good defense...not as good as normal (no Perk) but still, they got the DPoY out there along with Scal, Powe, and Baby who all position themselves well (OMG, I just wrote something positive about Scal). All this hullabaloo just doesn't seem warranted.

[3stat2]

The rebounding was the most horrible part of his night. He was obviously frustrated as hell on offense, and he really let that get to him mentally to affect all parts of his game - way more than he should have. But Amare has shown us what he can do when fully motivated and used properly - examples include 28.5 points on 60% shooting after the Allstar break last year, and a 10.4 career playoff rebounding average.

In terms of playoff numbers, he's averaged 30/11 in the 04-05 playoffs, 25/12 in 06-07, and 23/9 in 5 games against the Spurs last playoffs. In the 04-05 Western Conference Finals, the Suns went straight to him on isolation plays down the stretch of almost every game, with Duncan guarding him one on one - and he consistently delivered double digit scoring fourth quarters. In 06-07, he had two key go-ahead baskets late in the 4th quarter which gave us our lone victory in San Antonio that series. And he had that 49point/11rb/6assist/5steal/4 block performance earlier this year, a substantial amount of which came directly from high post isolations.

I'm not going to forget all that because of this one game (which was the worst one of his career at that). It is so easy to come out of the woodwork and criticise people when they're having a tough time. It's easy to kick people when they're down.

He's obviously having a tough time this season, particularly with the mental aspect. But he is also averaging a career high in assists and he's close to his career high in steals. He passes the ball a lot more now and, overall for the season, has been more calculated with his decisions. Of course, watching the Celtics game you'd think none of this were true. But that shows you the power that one game can have on the conclusions people make.

He's going through a very tough stretch - just as the whole Suns team has been through this season. All we can do as fans is hope they can pull themselves out of this one and once again show us what they're capable of.

And by the way, he'd do himself a lot of favours if he stopped talking so much.

[Sharas]

amare never ever was a willing rebounder. he doesn't try enough, it's that simple really. his fundamentals like positioning also aren't that good.

he averages 0.4 more rebounds for his career more than dirk nowitzki, who gets called the seven feet SG, one dimensional scorer and all-around soft all the time. and you just try to compare their strength and athleticism.

[chains5000]

amare never ever was a willing rebounder. he doesn't try enough, it's that simple really. his fundamentals like positioning also aren't that good.

he averages 0.4 more rebounds for his career more than dirk nowitzki, who gets called the seven feet SG, one dimensional scorer and all-around soft all the time. and you just try to compare their strength and athleticism.
Difference is Dirk is both European and white.
Nobody would call him anything if he wasn't. Sad but true.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Nowitzki is called soft but is generally respected as a rebounder.

[Rekindled]

i will trade amare for dirk in a split second if i am suns gm. dirk would help suns clear out the paint for shaq to dominate.

[gabeh1018]

I'm going to the Knicks -PHX game tommorrow night. Hopefully Amare's amped up to go for 60. I'd like to see that.


ME TOO!!!

SHAQ TASTIC!!

[Godfather]

The Mavs should have made a play for Shaq...He would have been perfect next to Dirk.

[FourthTenor]

I blame D'Antoni.



Oh, wait. Terry Porter was the coach.



Maybe we should have been blaming AMARE all along.

[Flagrant 2]

I blame D'Antoni.



Oh, wait. Terry Porter was the coach.



Maybe we should have been blaming AMARE all along.
Phil Jackson was the coach and you are a moron.

Kobe.......... to AMARE!!!

[FourthTenor]

Phil Jackson was the coach and you are a moron.

Kobe.......... to AMARE!!!

oH, THAt's right. I like your Woody Paige avator.

[Heavincent]

I blame D'Antoni.



Oh, wait. Terry Porter was the coach.



Maybe we should have been blaming AMARE all along.

I blame you for bumping 3-year old threads.

[FourthTenor]

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