Kobe Bryant scores 61 points against Knicks in Madison Square Garden

[Godfather]

34 points, 13/20 from the field, 100% from the stripe, 3/5 from 3...

And there is still a half to play...

Ladies and gentlemen take out your opossums because the Black Mamba is back!

http://www.getnothurt.net/images/black%20mamba%20mouth.jpg

Kobe Bryant has broken Jordan's MSG visiting scorer record at 61 points.

Bryant put up this on 19/31 shooting with 50% from the perimeter and 100% from the line going on 20/20!

[04mzwach]

Most players won't end the night with 34 points. Kobe does it before the third quarter.

[Gunnin4HoLeS]

Kobes being Kobe. Sending a message that no matter if Bynum is down he s still Kobe. Smart on Kobes end... It puts the doubt in some writers

[rox fa sho]

thats wat kobe does. he steps up when he needs to. w/ no bynum for 3 months lakers are gonna need guys to step up. odom of corse already doing his thing.

[Godfather]

Broke Jordan's record :eek:

[FindingTim]

furious at his own involvement in Bynum's injury, I guess we could have guessed Kobe would take it out on the Knicks...

[big baller]

KOBE 61 points, Pau 31 points.........WOW!!!!!!

[TheGreatDeraj]

Broke Jordan's record :eek:

Which Jordan record?

[1987_Lakers]

Which Jordan record?

Most points scored in the Garden by an opponent.

Kobe: 61
Jordan: 55

[john_d]

Which Jordan record?
most points in MSG

[Godfather]

Open question.

Do you guys believe Kobe will continue to take 25+ shots per game now that Bynum is gone or will he revert back to pass first Kobe?

[KenneBell]

Open question.

Do you guys believe Kobe will continue to take 25+ shots per game now that Bynum is gone or will he revert back to pass first Kobe?
I think this was a special case.

[RoseCity07]

I'll DL this game later but only if it's the Knick announcers. The LA ones will be all over Kobe's balls and it will be unbearable.

[04mzwach]

Open question.

Do you guys believe Kobe will continue to take 25+ shots per game now that Bynum is gone or will he revert back to pass first Kobe?
Twenty-five shots and tons of 40 point games.

[Showtime]

Congrats on scoring 60+ on a D'antoni team in the regular season. Great accomplishment, regardless of the critics who ask why this doesn't happen in the playoffs.

[imdaman99]

I remember that game where both MJ and Scottie had 40+ each versus the Pacers. I do not know if they eclipsed 90 though. Great game tonight by Kobe, wish I went to the game. Me and a co-worker talked about going, but we would have had to get scalped tickets for 100+ at least :(

[jason816]

Most points scored in the Garden by an opponent.

Kobe: 61
Jordan: 55


Jordan scored 55pts on New York Knicks, on his 5th game back from retirement, wearing #45.

Jordan scored 55pts against the tough New York Knicks, whom finished the season with a 55-27 record, featuring Patrick Ewing, Charles Oakley, John Starks, 6th man of the year Anthony Mason...

well, it;s still amazing Kobe scored 61pts with such a great performance...
but i think Jordan's 55pts is a better performance.

[Sanity]

I remember that game where both MJ and Scottie had 40+ each versus the Pacers. I do not know if they eclipsed 90 though. Great game tonight by Kobe, wish I went to the game. Me and a co-worker talked about going, but we would have had to get scalped tickets for 100+ at least :(


Here you go fella.

Bulls vs. Pacers - Jordan 44pts, Pippen 40pts, Rodman 23rbds (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6icwrLvZGhA)

[Ja2l]

probably Kobe's 81 point game. Smush had 13.

[rawimpact]

Jordan scored 55pts on New York Knicks, on his 5th game back from retirement, wearing #45.

Jordan scored 55pts against the tough New York Knicks, whom finished the season with a 55-27 record, featuring Patrick Ewing, Charles Oakley, John Starks, 6th man of the year Anthony Mason...

well, it;s still amazing Kobe scored 61pts with such a great performance...
but i think Jordan's 55pts is a better performance.

i think you mean historic, kobe's shooting % was better with 5 or 6 less shots.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

I remember that game where both MJ and Scottie had 40+ each versus the Pacers. I do not know if they eclipsed 90 though. Great game tonight by Kobe, wish I went to the game. Me and a co-worker talked about going, but we would have had to get scalped tickets for 100+ at least :(

i had 2 sets of tickets and sold them on ebay and stub hub :banghead:

[Indian guy]

Ok, with one guy getting at least 20 :no:

Just checked D-Rob's 71 point game in 93-94. Nobody else on SA even scored in double digits that night. Tonight's game by Kobe/Gasol could be a league first(Wilt's night excluded).

probably Kobe's 81 point game. Smush had 13.
:oldlol:
I'm sure one of Wilt's teammates had at least 1 point that night he dropped 100.

[NOHCP3]

:applause: Kobe... 61.. thats crazy..

[MaxFly]

It really is Bryant and Smush Parker... 94 points... :confusedshrug:

[Mdog1]

Wow sick game KB. How many shots? and what was his %?

[barbaroi]

Wow sick game KB. How many shots? and what was his %?
31 shots 61% in 36 minutes.

[OldSchoolBBall]

Congrats on scoring 60+ on a D'antoni team in the regular season. Great accomplishment, regardless of the critics who ask why this doesn't happen in the playoffs.

:oldlol:

[Showtime]

^ D'antoni thinks defense is de thing outside de house with de gate, but still a great performance. Kobe is the best streak scorer I've seen. When he's on, he's unstoppable.

[Mdog1]

31 shots 61% in 36 minutes.
Wow that is sick. 61 on 31 is hella efficient. Kobe is really killing it right now. Second in the league, but for how long?

[mongePR(kb24)]

and he did this with only 3 fingers in his shooting hand.

btw. Gasol had a great great game also 31, 14, 5 @ 70%

[Kappy]

Wow ....... 92 points by only two players. That's crazy!!! :eek:

[lilojmayo]

Wow ....... 92 points by only two players. That's crazy!!! :eek:

Is that the record. What was the Most Jordan and Pippen did together combined

[picc84]

Coach Pringles "hands on" approach to the kobe problem tonight.

"He's gonna come back down to earth, guys."

Third quarter:
"We created an offensive machine."
"If he doesn't come back down, we'll all just go home"

[Showtime]

61 points in 37 minutes and he could have easily had more if not for that idiot phil jackson. only wilt has more career 60+ games. kobe now has 5 total.:applause:
24 50+ games:applause:
95+ games :applause:

the G.O.A.T :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
The GOAT regular season streak scorer. I agree.

[Kappy]

Is that the record. What was the Most Jordan and Pippen did together combined

This was on another thread. Looks like "84"!

Bulls vs. Pacers - Jordan 44pts, Pippen 40pts, Rodman 23rbds

[spursdynasty420]

Seriously guys. Imagine if jordan played a dantoni team like that. he would DESTROY them.

[Showtime]

no, the goat scorer.:bowdown:
nobody can get hot and totally demoralize opponents like kobe.:bowdown:

The G.O.A.T :bowdown:
You see, this is the type of post that lead people to bring up his lack of scoring domination in the playoffs, at which time people call those comments "hate" and how the MJ homers can't stay out of a Kobe thread. Stop making comments like these, and there would be no reason to bring up Kobe's lack of dominating scoring in the playoffs.

Yeah, nobody can get hot and totally demoralize regular season teams with bad defense like Kobe. It's a different story against top defensive teams in the playoffs.

[Showtime]

Kobes the Oldest player to score 60 points. Only player over 30 to score 60.

has the most 60 point games for 1 player since 1968 (40 years).

kobe - 5

jordan - 4

rest of the players that scored 60+ since 1968 tied with 1.

the G.O.A.T :applause:
I didn't know regular season scoring achievements determined who the GOAT was.

[Showtime]

he certainly has had dominant scoring games in the playoffs. one of the greatest playoff performers in history.:applause: :bowdown: :bowdown:

What are you smoking?

[Showtime]

its the truth.:applause:
Comparing his playoff scoring and saying he's one of the best ever is not truth, especially considering the substantial gap in his performances against regular season fodder and elite playoff teams.

[Allstar24]

Seriously who the **** cares what Jordan would've done to a D'antoni team? Fact is he never played the current Knicks so we'll never find out. It just boggles my mind how people are so butt hurt about Kobe's performance today. Relax, its just one game...freaks.

[Showtime]

Seriously who the **** cares what Jordan would've done to a D'antoni team? Fact is he never played the current Knicks so we'll never find out. It just boggles my mind how people are so butt hurt about Kobe's performance today. Relax, its just one game...freaks.
If there weren't people claiming Kobe as the GOAT scorer, everybody could appreciate his performance. The worst Kobe homers are counter productive, because their antics prevent fans from just enjoying what he did tonight.

[Showtime]

I've seen the comments. Do what I do, ignore them. But obviously you would rather engage in pointless arguments with them...
You are right. I'm ignoring that mindless ***.

[the even bigger black guy]

This was on another thread. Looks like "84"!

Bulls vs. Pacers - Jordan 44pts, Pippen 40pts, Rodman 23rbds

Kobe 81
Smush 13
Total 94

[vinsane01]

Seriously guys. Imagine if jordan played a dantoni team like that. he would DESTROY them.

if jordan played the knicks of today, he wont even reach 40 points coz his minutes will be down to 20-25, gameover at halftime.

[fiddy]

Kobe 81
Smush 13
Total 94
Wilt + Al Attles=117

[the even bigger black guy]

that was against unathletic white guys

[andgar923]

If there weren't people claiming Kobe as the GOAT scorer, everybody could appreciate his performance. The worst Kobe homers are counter productive, because their antics prevent fans from just enjoying what he did tonight.

c/s

I didn't catch the entire game, but I was impressed by the highlights and the few minutes I did watch.

He was at ease with what I saw.

[Doranku]

****ing clowns. :oldlol:

Honestly, I can't tell if these people are gimmicks or not. You give Kobe/Laker fans a bad name, and incite all of the hate towards us. GTFO.

[OldSchoolBBall]

Kobes the Oldest player to score 60 points. Only player over 30 to score 60.

has the most 60 point games for 1 player since 1968 (40 years).

kobe - 5

jordan - 4

rest of the players that scored 60+ since 1968 tied with 1.

the G.O.A.T :applause:

Jordan had 5 games of 60+ (69, 64, 63, 61, 61), but one was in the playoffs.

[Doranku]

Jordan had 5 games of 60+ (69, 64, 63, 61, 61), but one was in the playoffs.

The real GOAT.

[lilojmayo]

Jordan had 5 games of 60+ (69, 64, 63, 61, 61), but one was in the playoffs.

Kobe has matched Jordan is 60+ pt performances good for him.

I'm about to go to sleep

but can anybody dig up all Kobe's and Jordan's 60+pt performances statline please

i know MJ with that 69 pt 18 rebs 6 assists 3 steals . not sure about the others.

What disappointing me was seeing 0 rebs for Kobe.

[dazed27]

Kobe has matched Jordan is 60+ pt performances good for him.

I'm about to go to sleep

but can anybody dig up all Kobe's and Jordan's 60+pt performances statline please

i know MJ with that 69 pt 18 rebs 6 assists 3 steals . not sure about the others.

What disappointing me was seeing 0 rebs for Kobe.


YEA BUT LAMAR AND PAU BOTH HAD 14......WHAT SURPRISES ME IS THAT NO MATTER HOW GOOD OF A GAME KOBE HAS....THE CRITICIZM SOMEONE HOW MOLDS INTO A NEW FORM

[Fatal9]

Jordan had 5 games of 60+ (69, 64, 63, 61, 61), but one was in the playoffs.
Mind telling us in how many of those he took either 40+ shots or 30 shots and 20 FTA. I know you found it pretty outrageous that Kobe had 30+ FGA and 20 FTA tonight.

[fiddy]

Kobe has matched Jordan is 60+ pt performances good for him.

I'm about to go to sleep

but can anybody dig up all Kobe's and Jordan's 60+pt performances statline please

i know MJ with that 69 pt 18 rebs 6 assists 3 steals . not sure about the others.

What disappointing me was seeing 0 rebs for Kobe.
disappointing? Pau and Odom did their job.

[OldSchoolBBall]

kobe is one of the greatest playoff performers ever. one of the many things that makes him the G.O.A.T-truth.:applause:

Is this a joke? Off the top of my head, players who were better playoff performers than Kobe:

Jordan
West
Bird
Magic
Shaq
Hakeem
Duncan
Wilt
KAJ
Barkley

So yeah, he's probably one of the top 10-15 playoff performers ever. If that's what you mean by "one of," then I guess you're right.

[OldSchoolBBall]

Mind telling us in how many of those he took either 40+ shots or 30 shots and 20 FTA. I know you found it pretty outrageous that Kobe had 30+ FGA and 20 FTA tonight.

I didn't find it outrageous at all. You need to use a lot of possessions to score 60+. My point was to note that using 40+ possessions in 37 minutes is the same as using 40+ possessions in 40-43 minutes. It was in response to someone who noted him scoring 61 in 37 minutes. The point was that if you're getting the same amount of opportunities to score in that time, there's really nothing special about it time-wise.

[chopchop20]

I don't see a Big Gap between Kobe and Jordan in terms of scoring.

Sure MJ was more efficient, but Kobe has put on quite a few offensive performances that surpass MJ.

And Jordan wasn't putting up 60 pts. 13 years into his career

[Fatal9]

I didn't find it outrageous at all. You need to use a lot of possessions to score 60+. My point was to note that using 40+ possessions in 37 minutes is the same as using 40+ possessions in 40-43 minutes. It was in response to someone who noted him scoring 61 in 37 minutes. The point was that if you're getting the same amount of opportunities to score in that time, there's really nothing special about it time-wise.

FYI, he used 40 possessions exactly not 40+ (MJ was never able to score 60 using less than 48 possessions btw) as he was fouled on a 3 and had an and 1. Not that I'm comparing the two but I don't think you realize how efficient this game was. I would almost venture out and guess that Kobe might have scored 60+ using the fewest possessions ever.

[Showtime]

I don't see a Big Gap between Kobe and Jordan in terms of scoring.

Sure MJ was more efficient, but Kobe has put on quite a few offensive performances that surpass MJ.

And Jordan wasn't putting up 60 pts. 13 years into his career
Since others are bringing up the subject, if Kobe is on par with MJ in terms of scoring, then why can't he dominate the playoffs like he dominates occasional regular season teams? Why doesn't he have some of his most memorable performances against the best teams in the playoffs? Why can't he bring it when it matters most against the best competition? I honestly thought after last season's finals, this issue would die.

[shaoyut]

61 points:bowdown: :applause: :bowdown:

[chopchop20]

Since others are bringing up the subject, if Kobe is on par with MJ in terms of scoring, then why can't he dominate the playoffs like he dominates occasional regular season teams? Why doesn't he have some of his most memorable performances against the best teams in the playoffs? Why can't he bring it when it matters most against the best competition? I honestly thought after last season's finals, this issue would die.

Because you fail to see the totality of Kobe's playoff performances. I know people point to his lower statistics in the Finals BUT look at all of his playoff series (especially during the 3 peat). He had a good series against Phoenix in 2007. He played good ball last year except the Finals.

Game 7, WCF, 2000 (the lob to Shaq game) - led the Lakers in points, rebounds, assists, and blocks.

I mean, there's a whole list of really good performances from Kobe in the playoffs... Not saying that he's MJ in that regard, but don't make it seem like Kobe is A-Rod

[spursdynasty420]

Hey *******, 63 points still hanging there

And not against some chumps but against champ Celtics

But I agree, when it comes to random un-important trivial season games where nobody cares = Kobe's the best

MJ's 55 points vs 95 Knicks comparing that to this wrecked Knicks with Nate Robinson as a center?

:violin:

kobe is the best player in the league.

but god damn I would love to see jordan play a dantoni team. he would murder them so massively

[OldSchoolBBall]

FYI, he used 40 possessions exactly not 40+ (MJ was never able to score 60 using less than 48 possessions btw) as he was fouled on a 3 and had an and 1. Not that I'm comparing the two but I don't think you realize how efficient this game was. I would almost venture out and guess that Kobe might have scored 60+ using the fewest possessions ever.

I'm pretty sure Wilt holds that honor. As for Jordan, how many and-1's did he have in those games? Regardless, it doesn't matter.

Jordan scored 59 on 35-36 possessions vs. Detroit in 1988 (21-27 FG and 17-19 FT's with two and-1's, the game is up on youtube). He also scored 52 on 31 possessions vs. Philly (24-29 FG, 4-4 FT). But again, it doesn't matter imo. These types of games happen so infrequently that it isn't informative.


And Jordan wasn't putting up 60 pts. 13 years into his career

Kobe is 30. Jordan was busy averaging 41/9/7 in the Finals at age 30. Kobe is busy beating up on scrub teams in the regular season.

I also love how Kobe fans talk about how many years Kobe has been in the league when it suits them (like here), but then talk about age when it suits them ("Kobe has accomplished x/y/z by age 30!" etc.). Funny.


Because you fail to see the totality of Kobe's playoff performances. I know people point to his lower statistics in the Finals BUT look at all of his playoff series (especially during the 3 peat). He had a good series against Phoenix in 2007. He played good ball last year except the Finals.

Game 7, WCF, 2000 (the lob to Shaq game) - led the Lakers in points, rebounds, assists, and blocks.

I mean, there's a whole list of really good performances from Kobe in the playoffs... Not saying that he's MJ in that regard, but don't make it seem like Kobe is A-Rod

Jordan literally ****s on Kobe as a playoff performer, even just looking at scoring. Get real.

Fact: Kobe has had one playoff series in his entire career where he's averaged > 34.8 ppg (vs. Sac in 2001, when he averaged 35.0 ppg). That was Jordan's 111 game, 9 year playoff scoring average upon retirement in 1993. So yeah, tell me again how their playoff performance is close. :oldlol:

[Showtime]

Because you fail to see the totality of Kobe's playoff performances.

I've never seen Kobe dominate a finals series and lead his team to victory as the best player. Hell, even just a playoff series really hasn't happened outside his Jazz series last year.


I know people point to his lower statistics in the Finals BUT look at all of his playoff series (especially during the 3 peat).

I never said he didn't have good games. I said he's never (with his most recent exception against Utah last year), ever dominated an entire series and lead his teams to victory. He hasn't brought his domination on a consistent basis in the playoffs.


He had a good series against Phoenix in 2007.

Losing 4-1 and going 13-33 in the deciding game is something you want to bring into this discussion as point in favor of him?


I mean, there's a whole list of really good performances from Kobe in the playoffs... Not saying that he's MJ in that regard, but don't make it seem like Kobe is A-Rod

Kobe has had really good performances. The problem with that is that those are single performances and not extended domination. Kobe hasn't been consistent his entire career, let alone in the postseason. Others have been able to play at a consistently high level, while Kobe has "moments" instead of dominating stretches. If you want to put him in MJ's class as a scorer, then he better be able to show that he can translate his regular season domination to postseason domination. You want me to overlook his finals performances, but to me, those are the ones that matter the most because those are the games that matter the most.

[imdaman99]

Why does anyone get insulted if someone compares Kobe to MJ? Who would you guys rather compare Kobe to? Detlef Shrempf? Kobe is the closest thing we will get to MJ. Ignore the people that say Kobe>MJ. He still has a lot to prove before we can draw any fair comparisons. So instead of attacking Kobe, just relax and tell us to show you the rings.

[Showtime]

Why does anyone get insulted if someone compares Kobe to MJ? Who would you guys rather compare Kobe to? Detlef Shrempf? Kobe is the closest thing we will get to MJ. Ignore the people that say Kobe>MJ. He still has a lot to prove before we can draw any fair comparisons. So instead of attacking Kobe, just relax and tell us to show you the rings.
First off, saying Kobe is closest to MJ is a debate in itself, not a conclusion. Second, even if he was, WHY DOES THAT MATTER? It doesn't. His fans constantly make comments about him being the best ____ ever, aka better than every other player in that area. That automatically creates a debate.

[chopchop20]

If you want to put him in MJ's class as a scorer, then he better be able to show that he can translate his regular season domination to postseason domination. You want me to overlook his finals performances, but to me, those are the ones that matter the most because those are the games that matter the most.

Dude, Kobe put himself in MJ's class as an offensive player by what he has done on the court -- not by what people in a forum have said. He was the lead story on ESPN tonight because he scored 61... not about last years playoffs, what happened 10 years ago, or what MJ is doing.

The guy hit 81, shares the record for most 3 pointers in a game, 2nd longest streak of 40 point + games (tied MJ) behind Wilt, averaged 40 points in a month (twice I think), 4 consecutive games of scoring 50 pts, etc...

Kobe has done it on the court like few others have.

[Showtime]

Dude, Kobe put himself in MJ's class as an offensive player by what he has done on the court -- not by what people in a forum have said. He was the lead story on ESPN tonight because he scored 61... not about last years playoffs, what happened 10 years ago, or what MJ is doing.

Kobe is only in MJ's class in your opinion. To me, a player on the same level as another player should at least have proven they can play on the same level. Kobe hasn't proven that to me. And I've seen a lot of Kobe Bryant.


The guy hit 81, shares the record for most 3 pointers in a game, 2nd longest streak of 40 point + games (tied MJ) behind Wilt, averaged 40 points in a month (twice I think), 4 consecutive games of scoring 50 pts, etc...

Kobe has done it on the court like few others have.

Does that mean AI and Gervin are on Kobe's level because of their similar (and in some cases superior) scoring accomplishments?

[chopchop20]

First off, saying Kobe is closest to MJ is a debate in itself, not a conclusion. Second, even if he was, WHY DOES THAT MATTER? It doesn't. His fans constantly make comments about him being the best ____ ever, aka better than every other player in that area. That automatically creates a debate.

Again Kobe has proven what he can do on the court. I don't see anyone else in the conversation right now -- so I'm not sure if it really is a debate.

Anyways, you seem to act like there is a Magic carpet ride to the Finals. Acting like the other playoff games don't matter. In reality, every playoff game counts -- you have to win to advance. That's not a defense of Kobe's Finals performances, it's just real truth.

[andgar923]

I wouldn't spend multiple pages trying to explain to them why he's not. :oldlol:

You guys are taking these trolls too seriously. They've baited you.

I've always thought that Trolls were posters that posted posts that they not necessarily believed, but knew would create a certain reaction.

I think most of these Kobe stans believe what they post.

It was a nice performance by Kobe, I saw him hit some tough shots and one that had me laughing (that twisting shot in the last minute), but as impressive as it was, I have to agree with the more mature posters.

Great performance but that doesn't make him the GOAT or even better than MJ.

I mean... what if Arenas comes back and drops 64 against the Knicks at the Garden?

We all know he can.

Or what if Bron drops 60 against Kobe next game?

Speaking of Bron, I think his 50 at the Garden was more impressive, because of HOW he was doing it. People are free to point at the numbers and Kobe's efficiency and even at a few of his shots, but Bron was crazy that last quarter and a half.

[Showtime]

Anyways, you seem to act like there is a Magic carpet ride to the Finals. Acting like the other playoff games don't matter. In reality, every playoff game counts -- you have to win to advance. That's not a defense of Kobe's Finals performances, it's just real truth.
I'm not acting like getting to the finals is easy. What a player does when they get there does matter. And it's not JUST winning, it's performing to the maximum (which usually translates into winning in players of that calibre). For instance, MJ wasn't getting to the finals early in his career, but in losing to superior teams, he was the best player on the court and put up amazing series while losing. He did everything he could at that time, dominated, and lost. Kobe, on the other hand, in losing, doesn't play his best. Would you say Kobe in 2004 or 2008 played the best basketball he could? Would you say he was the best player on the court, did his best, and just lost to superior teams? No.

And I'm not trying to say MJ never struggled. I'm saying I don't see Kobe having consistently played a high level of ball through the playoffs with the exception of his first 3 rounds last year.

[chopchop20]

Kobe is only in MJ's class in your opinion. To me, a player on the same level as another player should at least have proven they can play on the same level. Kobe hasn't proven that to me. And I've seen a lot of Kobe Bryant.



Does that mean AI and Gervin are on Kobe's level because of their similar (and in some cases superior) scoring accomplishments?

I prefaced my statements NOT by saying that Kobe is better than MJ. I made a comparison moreso pertaining to offensive skill... In that context, I don't see a wide gap between MJ and Kobe as offensive players. Kobe has had some amazing performances that even MJ did not accomplish and vice versa.

I do give the nod to MJ for efficiency. Speaking of Jordan's "dominance" is really a mute point because we already KNOW that. That's what made Michael, MJ.

And another thing, I don't get the whole "proven to me". History has been written and was updated tonight... whether or not what Kobe has done "proves" anything to you matters a dayum. Those performances are still going to be there and that PROVES that he's had some great offensive performances like very few players in NBA history.

Breaking the scoring record at MSG after 13 years in the league and getting the appreciation from the crowd is a pretty good moment, in my book.

[Showtime]

I prefaced my statements NOT by saying that Kobe is better than MJ. I made a comparison moreso pertaining to offensive skill... In that context, I don't see a wide gap between MJ and Kobe as offensive players. Kobe has had some amazing performances that even MJ did not accomplish and vice versa.

Which is exactly why I said he's in the same class in YOUR opinion.


And another thing, I don't get the whole "proven to me". History has been written and was updated tonight... whether or not what Kobe has done "proves" anything to you matters a dayum. Those performances are still going to be there and that PROVES that he's had some great offensive performances like very few players in NBA history.

His career is still going on. He has many more games ahead of him. At this point, that's all you have. If YOU think that's enough to put him in MJ's level as a scorer, then that's your opinion. To me, when equating two players, one player has to be able to prove they can accomplish the same level of play, which Kobe hasn't done in my opinion. I haven't seen him play to the same level as a scorer as MJ, mainly because of his postseason career so far up to this point.

I will bring this up again: do you feel that AI and Gervin are on Kobe's level as a scorer because of their scoring accomplishments, some of which are superior to Kobe's?


Breaking the scoring record at MSG after 13 years in the league and getting the appreciation from the crowd is a pretty good moment, in my book.

Nobody said anything different. I wasn't trying to downgrade his performance tonight.

[YAWN]

Great performance but that doesn't make him the GOAT or even better than MJ.

I mean... what if Arenas comes back and drops 64 against the Knicks at the Garden?

We all know he can.

Or what if Bron drops 60 against Kobe next game?

Speaking of Bron, I think his 50 at the Garden was more impressive, because of HOW he was doing it. People are free to point at the numbers and Kobe's efficiency and even at a few of his shots, but Bron was crazy that last quarter and a half.

im not sure what you are insinuating, that dropping 60 is easy and not impressive at all?

gilbert scored 60 once and now he can just go off on any night? Brons never scored 60 but he can also go off on any given night?

Other than Wilt, Jordan, and Kobe. who else has scored 60 more than once?

and of the hundreds of stars that have played in this league how many have joined the 60pt club. I dont think you understand how rare of an occurrence these games are.

edit: i think elgin dropped 60 more than once as well.

[joe]

I'm not sure what's more hilarious; The people claiming Kobe to be the greatest ever based on this game, or the people who are taking offense and having heart attacks right in front of our very eyes.

We can all agree that Kobe had a great night. He dropped 61 points, a record-setting number in MSG. I've heard posters say "well, the Knicks defense sucks!" Okay, so why doesn't everyone clobber them like Kobe just did? The fact is, the guy's an unbelievable scorer and deserves our recognition.

Some people are clearly blowing his performance out of proportion, but they're probably just young fans with little NBA perspective. That or they're trolls. Either way, furiously arguing with them over why Michael Jordan is better than Kobe serves no purpose. You'll fail at changing anyones mind, it'll be a waste of time, and you'll further drag down the quality of this board.

Instead, why not just congratulate Kobe on a great night and be on your way? Use a disclaimer if you have to: While it's only a regular-season game against a porous Knicks defense, Kobe still had a pretty great game and deserves some credit. That's it. That's all you need to say. It'll certainly help cut down on these ridiculous arguments and save your energy for actually making good, productive posts that help enhance this board's quality, instead of deteriorating it.

[catzhernandez]

Oh my lord.


Somebody called it earlier. Not sure who, but he said Kobe is gone, and Black Mamba is here.

[crisoner]

61 against the Knicks....

Ill be happy when he gets 61 and the Lakers beat the Celtics.
I'm not impressed.








Sike

[chopchop20]

I'm not acting like getting to the finals is easy. What a player does when they get there does matter. And it's not JUST winning, it's performing to the maximum (which usually translates into winning in players of that calibre). For instance, MJ wasn't getting to the finals early in his career, but in losing to superior teams, he was the best player on the court and put up amazing series while losing. He did everything he could at that time, dominated, and lost. Kobe, on the other hand, in losing, doesn't play his best. Would you say Kobe in 2004 or 2008 played the best basketball he could? Would you say he was the best player on the court, did his best, and just lost to superior teams? No.

And I'm not trying to say MJ never struggled. I'm saying I don't see Kobe having consistently played a high level of ball through the playoffs with the exception of his first 3 rounds last year.


2004 was not good, had a couple of good games in 2008 Finals & overall playoffs was solid. Just trying to keep it in context when we can't even discuss bad Finals performances from T-Mac, Vince, and other Kobe contemporaries because they have gotten there (which you have to do to win it)

Kobe's had poor Finals like Magic, Bird, etc... very few can touch MJ in that regard (though I'd argue for Shaq)

As a whole, I think Kobe has done well in the playoffs especially in the 3-peat, series where he averaged like 35 or so. And he and Shaq set the record for scoring duo in the playoffs in 2001 when Kobe averaged like 29 points or so. Great moments too setting up Game winning shots for Horry and Fisher, leading the Lakers over Indiana after Shaq fouled out, blocking Rick Smits shot in OT to win

Again, Kobe's no A-Rod.

[LakersLaLaLand]

I don't know about GOAT. Thats a bit much.

But Kobe had a great offensive game. He was hot. And it was mostly within the offense. Few and 1's.

Not to mention Pau's incredible night.

Lakers scored 30+ point in every quarter.

[catzhernandez]

61 against the Knicks....

Ill be happy when he gets 61 and the Lakers beat the Celtics.
I'm not impressed.








Sike
Edit - Your white text got me!

[Showtime]

[/B]

2004 was not good, had a couple of good games in 2008 Finals & overall playoffs was solid. Just trying to keep it in context when we can't even discuss bad Finals performances from T-Mac, Vince, and other Kobe contemporaries because they have gotten there (which you have to do to win it)

Kobe's had poor Finals like Magic, Bird, etc... very few can touch MJ in that regard (though I'd argue for Shaq)

As a whole, I think Kobe has done well in the playoffs especially in the 3-peat, series where he averaged like 35 or so. And he and Shaq set the record for scoring duo in the playoffs in 2001 when Kobe averaged like 29 points or so. Great moments too setting up Game winning shots for Horry and Fisher, leading the Lakers over Indiana after Shaq fouled out, blocking Rick Smits shot in OT to win

Again, Kobe's no A-Rod.
I'm not saying Kobe is A-Rod. I'm not saying Kobe is a bad player. I'm not saying Kobe is a poor scorer. I'm saying I don't think they are on the same level. Why is this difficult to grasp? People think if I don't think Kobe is as good, it means he's a bad player. IT JUST MEANS I DON'T THINK THEY ARE ON THE SAME LEVEL. THAT'S ALL. Kobe is a HOF SG, and might end up as the second best at his position of all time. He's arguably the best offensive player since MJ. Just because I don't think they are the same doesn't mean I think Kobe can't play.

[andgar923]

im not sure what you are insinuating, that dropping 60 is easy and not impressive at all?

gilbert scored 60 once and now he can just go off on any night? Brons never scored 60 but he can also go off on any given night?

Other than Wilt, Jordan, and Kobe. who else has scored 60 more than once?

and of the hundreds of stars that have played in this league how many have joined the 60pt club. I dont think you understand how rare of an occurrence these games are.

edit: i think elgin dropped 60 more than once as well.

I was trying to make a point to the Kobe ******gers.

They keep saying that he's the GOAT due to this performance which bettered MJ's.

I was just using their logic against them.

What if Arenas beats that record? Will he be better than Kobe then?

I think its a legit question if we use that logic, which of course, to most normal fans it doesn't make sense.

But that's not my logic, its theirs.

[chopchop20]

I will bring this up again: do you feel that AI and Gervin are on Kobe's level as a scorer because of their scoring accomplishments, some of which are superior to Kobe's?

I don't see Iverson at all. Too small, Kobe ability to post up and finish on practically anybody makes this a mismatch (AI might not even be as good a point guard as Kobe.)

Ice Man, good shooter & finisher definitely on par in terms of versatility and offensive skill. Kobe's explosiveness is the deciding edge. I don't see Iceman being as good off the bounce. Younger Kobe was an outstanding slasher and he still gets to the hoop pretty well now.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

I'm not saying Kobe is A-Rod. I'm not saying Kobe is a bad player. I'm not saying Kobe is a poor scorer. I'm saying I don't think they are on the same level. Why is this difficult to grasp? People think if I don't think Kobe is as good, it means he's a bad player. IT JUST MEANS I DON'T THINK THEY ARE ON THE SAME LEVEL. THAT'S ALL. Kobe is a HOF SG, and might end up as the second best at his position of all time. He's arguably the best offensive player since MJ. Just because I don't think they are the same doesn't mean I think Kobe can't play.

:confusedshrug:

[Showtime]

:confusedshrug:
Reading comprehension FTW. Try reading again.

[andgar923]

I'm not saying Kobe is A-Rod. I'm not saying Kobe is a bad player. I'm not saying Kobe is a poor scorer. I'm saying I don't think they are on the same level. Why is this difficult to grasp? People think if I don't think Kobe is as good, it means he's a bad player. IT JUST MEANS I DON'T THINK THEY ARE ON THE SAME LEVEL. THAT'S ALL. Kobe is a HOF SG, and might end up as the second best at his position of all time. He's arguably the best offensive player since MJ. Just because I don't think they are the same doesn't mean I think Kobe can't play.

C/s

People love to take it to extremes.

"So you don't think Kobe's the GOAT? then you must hate him!!"

Why can't people just be a basketball fan that calls it as they see it?

And if some of us have a certain reaction, its mostly to attempt to correct the ignorant fans out there. But as soon as one does that he gets labeled a "hater"... I mean.... damn shame.

[chopchop20]

I'm not saying Kobe is A-Rod. I'm not saying Kobe is a bad player. I'm not saying Kobe is a poor scorer. I'm saying I don't think they are on the same level. Why is this difficult to grasp? People think if I don't think Kobe is as good, it means he's a bad player. IT JUST MEANS I DON'T THINK THEY ARE ON THE SAME LEVEL. THAT'S ALL. Kobe is a HOF SG, and might end up as the second best at his position of all time. He's arguably the best offensive player since MJ. Just because I don't think they are the same doesn't mean I think Kobe can't play.

Exactly, we know that MJ is better overall because the history is written, the performances are out there.

My personal take on MJ:

A lot of people look at MJ as a guy who did things that nobody could do from a skill standpoint.

I don't think it's his skill that sets him so far apart. There's been better shooters, athletes, IMO. Looking at Le Bron now who can wow you just like MJ. I mean, that's what I'm saying with regards to Kobe and MJ -- I don't see many things that Kobe can't compare in terms of skill.

But I have always said Jordan's thing was consistency. Nobody in NBA history has consistently brought their "A" like MJ. He was good to great 90% the time. (Maybe this was the point that you're making in comparison to Kobe)

So I think we will definitely see some great athletes, great performances, and offensive talent in the NBA, but I don't know if we'll see consistent excellence on a nightly basis. Very few are close in that regard, (Jerry West is probably the closest)
like MJ>

[Showtime]

I don't see Iverson at all. Too small, Kobe ability to post up and finish on practically anybody makes this a mismatch (AI might not even be as good a point guard as Kobe.)

Accomplishments:

AI's total games: 874
AI's 30 point games: 344
AI's scoring championships: 4

Kobe's total games: 913
Kobe's 30 point games: 295
Kobe's scoring championships: 2

I'm not doing an entire career comparison, but the point is as far as scoring, AI may not have reached Kobe's peak, but he's scored more 30 point games, has more scoring championships, and done so in fewer games. Kobe has the edge in efficiency, but if somebody said AI was in Kobe's league as far as scoring, you disagree.

Same with Gervin. He has the points record (along with Melo) in one quarter. He has 4 scoring championships. He's done things Kobe hasn't done. Doesn't that make them comparable?

Now, if you don't agree they are in the same class with Kobe, then why is it so hard to understand why many feel Kobe isn't in the same class as MJ?

[OldSchoolBBall]

As a whole, I think Kobe has done well in the playoffs especially in the 3-peat, series where he averaged like 35 or so.

Kobe has only averaged 33+ ppg in four playoff series in his career, two of which were last year. He's only averaged 35 ppg in one series in his career. Why are you saying "series" as in "more than one"?

Kobe has averaged 33+ ppg in just four playoff series in his entire career. 33.4 ppg is Jordan's career playoff average (which includes numerous past-prime years). To this day, Kobe only has one playoff series in his entire career which surpasses Jordan's career playoff average in terms of ppg. But feel free to keep trying to change the subject from what you originally implied, which is that Kobe is somehow in Jordan's universe as a playoff scorer/performer.

[chopchop20]

C/s

People love to take it to extremes.

"So you don't think Kobe's the GOAT? then you must hate him!!"

Why can't people just be a basketball fan that calls it as they see it?

And if some of us have a certain reaction, its mostly to attempt to correct the ignorant fans out there. But as soon as one does that he gets labeled a "hater"... I mean.... damn shame.

It's not about being the GOAT. My problem is that people come at Lakers fans like we just sit around all day making up fairy tales about Kobe. Like everything he does is imaginary.

Kobe's place in history like any other is subjective. And yes, there will be a very small few who might say he is better than MJ. To me that's besides the point, cuz opinions are like a-holes.

I just try to shine the light on the fact that hey -- this guy is actually pretty good, he's done some really good things on the court and it's not make believe.

[chopchop20]

But feel free to keep trying to change the subject from what you originally implied, which is that Kobe is somehow in Jordan's universe as a playoff scorer/performer.

Show me where I made that statement that suggests that.

[BIZARRO]

Some people in this thread are outrageous in their comparisons.

61 (and 0 boards) against the D'Antoni, Phoenix style, run and gun, no defense as a trademark and almost part of their philosophy Knicks, is nowhere near the accomplishment of 55 in MJ'S 5TH GAME BACK from playing another sport against the Ewing, Starks, Harper, Mason, Oakley, etc. defensive minded Knicks.

C'mon, Kobe's great but get serious. :confusedshrug:

[chopchop20]

Some people in this thread are outrageous in their comparisons.

61 (and 0 boards) against the D'Antoni, Phoenix style, run and gun, no defense as a trademark and almost part of their philosophy Knicks, is nowhere near the accomplishment of 55 in MJ'S 5TH GAME BACK from playing another sport against the Ewing, Starks, Harper, Mason, Oakley, etc. defensive minded Knicks.

C'mon, Kobe's great but get serious. :confusedshrug:

I thought the thread about the game, tonight. Then I get here and see all this talk about all-tie greatness and the millionth comparison to MJ.

[Showtime]

I thought the thread about the game, tonight. Then I get here and see all this talk about all-tie greatness and the millionth comparison to MJ.
Maybe you should have come in earlier when Kobe was being called the GOAT scorer.

[chopchop20]

Accomplishments:

AI's total games: 874
AI's 30 point games: 344
AI's scoring championships: 4

Kobe's total games: 913
Kobe's 30 point games: 295
Kobe's scoring championships: 2

I'm not doing an entire career comparison, but the point is as far as scoring, AI may not have reached Kobe's peak, but he's scored more 30 point games, has more scoring championships, and done so in fewer games. Kobe has the edge in efficiency, but if somebody said AI was in Kobe's league as far as scoring, you disagree.

Same with Gervin. He has the points record (along with Melo) in one quarter. He has 4 scoring championships. He's done things Kobe hasn't done. Doesn't that make them comparable?

Now, if you don't agree they are in the same class with Kobe, then why is it so hard to understand why many feel Kobe isn't in the same class as MJ?

Your point is logical if you're basing your argument entirely on career stats which was not my intention. But if that's your intention, we could easily end this conversation by mentioning Mr. Chamberlain whose "numbers" trump all in this discussion.

[crisoner]

Edit - Your white text got me!

:cheers:

[OldSchoolBBall]

Show me where I made that statement that suggests that.

Sure. Showtime posted:


Since others are bringing up the subject, if Kobe is on par with MJ in terms of scoring, then why can't he dominate the playoffs like he dominates occasional regular season teams? Why doesn't he have some of his most memorable performances against the best teams in the playoffs? Why can't he bring it when it matters most against the best competition? I honestly thought after last season's finals, this issue would die.

You said in response:


Because you fail to see the totality of Kobe's playoff performances.

Rather than admitting that Kobe is nowhere near the playoff performer/scorer that Jordan is (which he isn't), you tried to obfuscate and make excuses. You made it sound like Showtime would realize that they're not that far apart if only he could grasp "the totality of Kobe's playoff performances" like you have. :oldlol:

Again, Kobe has only had one playoff series in his entire career that exceeds Jordan's career playoff average (35.0 ppg vs. MJ's 33.4 ppg career average). Kobe's best single series average (35.0 ppg) is basically Jordan's 111 game, 9 season playoff average upon retirement in 1993 (34.8 ppg).

Tell me again how he's comparable as a playoff scorer. And if, based on the above, you concede that he's not (as any sane person would in the face of such overwhelming evidence), then please state so unequivocally. Thanks.

[CasterL]

this jordan kobe stuff takes the piss its neverending

im really anoyed i missed the game last night. beastage by kobe. still the best scorer and imo best player in the leauge. but their is no way that a rational fan can be serious when arguing kobe<jordan. its just not true. kobes kobe and hes the best guard of this era leave it at that

[chopchop20]

Sure. Showtime posted:



You said in response:



Rather than admitting that Kobe is nowhere near the playoff performer/scorer that Jordan is (which he isn't), you tried to obfuscate and make excuses. You made it sound like Showtime would realize that they're not that far apart if only he could grasp "the totality of Kobe's playoff performances" like you have. :oldlol:

Again, Kobe has only had one playoff series in his entire career that exceeds Jordan's career playoff average (35.0 ppg vs. MJ's 33.4 ppg career average). Kobe's best single series average (35.0 ppg) is basically Jordan's 111 game, 9 season playoff average upon retirement in 1993 (34.8 ppg).

Tell me again how he's comparable as a playoff scorer. And if, based on the above, you concede that he's not (as any sane person would in the face of such overwhelming evidence), then please state so unequivocally. Thanks.

Nope, not true and I don't see how you infer that. I never made this a comparison between MJ and Kobe's playoff stats -- that would not make any sense.

You seem to have a hard time comprehending that I can make a statement about Kobe that is independent of MJ. My analysis of Kobe's playoff stats is based solely on what Kobe Bean Bryant has done on the court.

Any kid with a computer and an internet connection can tell you that Michael Jordan has better playoff stats than Kobe -- that history is written.

[OldSchoolBBall]

Nope, not true and I don't see how you infer that. I never made this a comparison between MJ and Kobe's playoff stats -- that would not make any sense.

You seem to have a hard time comprehending that I can make a statement about Kobe that is independent of MJ. My analysis of Kobe's playoff stats is based solely on what Kobe Bean Bryant has done on the court.

Any kid with a computer and an internet connection can tell you that Michael Jordan has better playoff stats than Kobe -- that history is written.

You clearly fail at reading comprehension. I'll post the two relevant sentences again:


Since others are bringing up the subject, if Kobe is on par with MJ in terms of scoring, then why can't he dominate the playoffs like he dominates occasional regular season teams?


Because you fail to see the totality of Kobe's playoff performances.

Explain to me again how your response has nothing to do with (i.e. "is independent of") Jordan. You were answering a direct question about Jordan/Kobe -- how can it have nothing to do with him?

[Lebron23]

Kobe Bryant is the best scorer in the modern era.

:applause: :applause: :applause:

[chopchop20]

That question was framed by Showtime -- he's the one who refereed to MJ.

AND if you look at my response, EVERYTHING that I said was about Kobe. Never made any comparison to MJ with regards to playoff stats.

[LakersLaLaLand]

From another thread which applies here.



Originally Posted by Diesel J
61 stands out more but in the same game tonight, Gasol put up 31 pts, 5 ast, 14 reb...

I would take Gasol's line over Kobe's line w/o blinking. I hate those one dimensional statlines

One is not separate from the other. My game opens up your game. And vice versa.

They each played off each others success.

Kobe's zero rebounds means what exactly? He cannot contribute in other areas. Hence an empty statline.

How about the 14 rebounds both Gasol and Odom pulled down. They had the glass on lock.

Kobe was pushing down court running the wing or bringing the ball up or waiting for the outlet pass upcourt. Or should Kobe play the post on defense guard dlee. Box him out. And have Gasol run as the front man or wing during transition.

Feed the hot hand. And the Lakers did. Isn't that it goes. If it aint broke don't fix it.

Do you remembers Kobes 4 straight 10+ assist games a few weeks ago



Jan 21 @ LAC W 108-97 1 41:23 5 15 33.3 2 7 28.6 6 6 100.0 2 8 10 12 4 1 0 3 18
Jan 19 CLE W 105-88 1 40:44 9 22 40.9 1 5 20.0 1 3 33.3 1 5 6 12 5 1 1 1 20
Jan 16 ORL L 103-109 1 41:22 10 26 38.5 1 5 20.0 7 8 87.5 2 11 13 11 6 2 0 3 28
Jan 14 @ SAS L 111-112 1 41:38 11 19 57.9 2 3 66.7 5 6 83.3 1 6 7 10 4 0 1 1 29

Versus San Antonio, Orlando, Cleveland and the Clippers. 10-11-12-12. To go along with 7ish rebounds and 26ish points.

He can adjust his game whenever he needs to(NOW). What do you need to win tonight? Kobe will do it. The guy has complete control of his game and he has a proper team around him.

Those former laker teams...where kobe was scoring ridiculous points with few assists are implanted in my memory. Why? Because Kobe deserved more assists than his weak ass teammates could muster up.

People were calling him a ballhog and his selfishness was bad for the team.

When the truth was the Lakers sucked. Specifically his teammates. None of them could hit a jump shot of layup if their lives depended on it. Kobe was doing both scoring and setting up inept shooters.

Pretend you are Kobe or not. Be yourself. You are one of the most prolific scorers in the league. Running your offense.

Option A: Do I shoot the ball? Or do I....

Option B: Do I pass the ball to Kwame? so he can brick a layup.

Option C: Do i pass the ball to an open Brian Cook? So this 6'10" shooting forward can brick it.

Option D: Setup up Smush Parker so he can brick it.

Option E: Pass the ball to Slava Medvedenko...so he can brick it.

Option F: pass the ball to a young sasha...so he can brick it.

Option G: pass the ball to a young Farmar...so he can brick it.

Option H: pass to aaron mckie...oh my bad we signed him to keep my bench seat warm.

Option I: I know....Shammond Williams can drain a shot. Nope. No he can't.

I could go on.

[OldSchoolBBall]

That question was framed by Showtime -- he's the one who refereed to MJ.

AND if you look at my response, EVERYTHING that I said was about Kobe. Never made any comparison to MJ with regards to playoff stats.

I understand the question was framed by him. My point is that one cannot be asked a direct question about a comparison between two people and then respond to that question without implicitly referring to one of the people being compared.

[snipes12]

the kobe and lebron topic is really a post flooder in ish , and the man just scored
60 +, was that a big deal ?

[Twiens]

Option E: Pass the ball to Slava Medvedenko...so he can brick it.

:eek: Typo?

[rox fa sho]

the kobe and lebron topic is really a post flooder in ish , and the man just scored
60 +, was that a big deal ?

60+ pts is no joke. when kobe starts doing 60 every game then its a joke.

[LakersLaLaLand]

Option E: Pass the ball to Slava Medvedenko...so he can MAKE it.

Typo?

Fixed. Sorry twiens.

[Da_Realist]

I only saw Kobe with ONE forced shot the entire night. He did whatever he wanted on the court. The Knicks were completely helpless. :oldlol:

As "great" as LeBron is, he can't touch Kobe offensively. The mid-range game + footwork is what separates Kobe from everyone else in the league, including Wade and LeBron.

LeBron will either drive on you (iso or high screen) or when his shot is on, he will stroke the three. He has NOTHING in-between.

And Kobe can't touch Lebron's all-around game. It'll be easier for Lebron to score 61 than it would be for Kobe to post Lebron's numbers for a whole season.

It's called "perspective" people.

[kidachi]

hes better then all of them. the G.O.A.T
61 pts in 37 minutes.:bowdown:

what? you've never heard the 99 point night of Jordan? he did it in 15mins.

[Psileas]

Originally Posted by 243354
Kobes the Oldest player to score 60 points. Only player over 30 to score 60.

No, actually Wilt has the record, since he scored 60+ twice at an older age than Kobe. Also, Tom Chambers was a few months older when he went for 60.

Having said that, Bynum's injury, the level of some of the following opponents and the fact that Kobe usually is at his hottest during January-February will surely provide him with some chances to have additional huge scoring nights, so stay tuned.

[gpfanz]

what? you've never heard the 99 point night of Jordan? he did it in 15mins.

NBA Live 2020?

[dr.hee]

kobe> jordan
kobe=G.O.A.T
kobe has 5 60+ games.:eek:
:bowdown:
Kobe 27/5.5/5
Wade 28.5/5/7
Lebron 28/7.5/7.5

Now I'm no Kobe hater, but given the stats above...is there a RATIONAL explanation why Kobe is so much better than the other guys to you? I think Kobe's production would be better with a worse team, 30/6/5 sound realistic to me. But that doesn't put him above Wade and James in terms of production and impact on a game.
So for a guy like me who doesn't support a winning team or a top 3 player, why should I believe that Kobe is miles above Wade and Lebron?

[Da_Realist]

Kobes the Oldest player to score 60 points. Only player over 30 to score 60.

has the most 60 point games for 1 player since 1968 (40 years).

kobe - 5

jordan - 4

rest of the players that scored 60+ since 1968 tied with 1.

the G.O.A.T :applause:

Tale of the tape.

Michael Jordan

April 20, 1986
63 vs Boston
Also had 5 rebs and 6 asts
Boston won 67 games in 86
Went on to become NBA Champions
** Happened in the playoffs

March 4, 1987 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/198703040DET.html)
61 vs Detroit
He also had 7 rebs, 3 asts, 3 stls and 3 blks
Detroit won 52 games in 87
Playoff team

April 16, 1987 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/198704160CHI.html)
61 vs Atlanta
Also had 10 rebs, 1 ast, 4 stls and 1 blk
Atlanta won 57 games in 87
Playoff team

March 28, 1990 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199003280CLE.html)
69 vs Cleveland
Also had 18 rebs, 6 asts, 4 stls and 1 blk
Cleveland won 42 games in 90
Playoff team

January 16, 1993 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199301160CHI.html)
64 vs Orlando
Also had 6 rebs, 1 ast and 5 stls
Orlando won 41 games in 1993

Kobe Bryant

January 22, 2006 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200601220LAL.html)
81 vs Toronto
Also had 6 rebs, 2 asts, 3 stls and 1 blk
Toronto won 27 games in 2006

March 16, 2007 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200703160LAL.html)
65 vs Portland
Also had 7 rebs, 3 asts and 3 stls
Portland won 32 games in 2007

December 20, 2005 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200512200LAL.html)
62 vs Dallas
Also had 8 rebs, 0 asts, 3 stls
Dallas won 60 games in 2006
Playoff team

March 22, 2007 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200703220MEM.html)
60 vs Memphis
Also had 5 rebs and 4 asts
Memphis won 22 games in 2007

February 2, 2009 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200902020NYK.html)
61 vs New York
Also had 0 rebs, 3 asts and 1 blk
New York is 21-26 so far this season

[gotbacon23]

Tale of the tape.

Michael Jordan

April 20, 1986
63 vs Boston
Also had 5 rebs and 6 asts
Boston won 59 games in 86
Defending champions
** Happened in the playoffs

March 4, 1987 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/198703040DET.html)
61 vs Detroit
He also had 7 rebs, 3 asts, 3 stls and 3 blks
Detroit won 52 games in 87
Playoff team

April 16, 1987 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/198704160CHI.html)
61 vs Atlanta
Also had 10 rebs, 1 ast, 4 stls and 1 blk
Atlanta won 57 games in 87
Playoff team

March 28, 1990 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199003280CLE.html)
69 vs Cleveland
Also had 18 rebs, 6 asts, 4 stls and 1 blk
Cleveland won 42 games in 90
Playoff team

January 16, 1993 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199301160CHI.html)
64 vs Orlando
Also had 6 rebs, 1 ast and 5 stls
Orlando won 41 games in 1993

Kobe Bryant

January 22, 2006 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200601220LAL.html)
81 vs Toronto
Also had 6 rebs, 2 asts, 3 stls and 1 blk
Toronto won 27 games in 2006

March 16, 2007 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200703160LAL.html)
65 vs Portland
Also had 7 rebs, 3 asts and 3 stls
Portland won 32 games in 2007

December 20, 2005 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200512200LAL.html)
62 vs Dallas
Also had 8 rebs, 0 asts, 3 stls
Dallas won 60 games in 2006
Playoff team

March 22, 2007 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200703220MEM.html)
60 vs Memphis
Also had 5 rebs and 4 asts
Memphis won 22 games in 2007

February 2, 2009 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200902020NYK.html)
61 vs New York
Also had 0 rebs, 3 asts and 1 blk
New York is 21-26 so far this season

the celtics team that MJ scored 63 points on actually won 67 games in that season and they were not the defending champs, but rather won the championship in that same playoffs. the '86 celtics, which MJ abused, is considered by some to be the GOAT.

[Da_Realist]

the celtics team that MJ scored 63 points on actually won 67 games in that season and they were not the defending champs, but rather won the championship in that same playoffs.

You're right. Repped for correcting me.

[KenneBell]

Tale of the tape.

Michael Jordan

April 20, 1986
63 vs Boston
Also had 5 rebs and 6 asts
Boston won 59 games in 86
Defending champions
** Happened in the playoffs

March 4, 1987 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/198703040DET.html)
61 vs Detroit
He also had 7 rebs, 3 asts, 3 stls and 3 blks
Detroit won 52 games in 87
Playoff team

April 16, 1987 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/198704160CHI.html)
61 vs Atlanta
Also had 10 rebs, 1 ast, 4 stls and 1 blk
Atlanta won 57 games in 87
Playoff team

March 28, 1990 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199003280CLE.html)
69 vs Cleveland
Also had 18 rebs, 6 asts, 4 stls and 1 blk
Cleveland won 42 games in 90
Playoff team

January 16, 1993 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199301160CHI.html)
64 vs Orlando
Also had 6 rebs, 1 ast and 5 stls
Orlando won 41 games in 1993

Kobe Bryant

January 22, 2006 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200601220LAL.html)
81 vs Toronto
Also had 6 rebs, 2 asts, 3 stls and 1 blk
Toronto won 27 games in 2006

March 16, 2007 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200703160LAL.html)
65 vs Portland
Also had 7 rebs, 3 asts and 3 stls
Portland won 32 games in 2007

December 20, 2005 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200512200LAL.html)
62 vs Dallas
Also had 8 rebs, 0 asts, 3 stls
Dallas won 60 games in 2006
Playoff team

March 22, 2007 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200703220MEM.html)
60 vs Memphis
Also had 5 rebs and 4 asts
Memphis won 22 games in 2007

February 2, 2009 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200902020NYK.html)
61 vs New York
Also had 0 rebs, 3 asts and 1 blk
New York is 21-26 so far this season
You've completely made Kobe's games irrelevant. They shouldn't even count. Nothing compares to Jordan's games!!! He's the greatest at everything basketball-related of all time!!! Da Realist FTW! I hope this spreads across the sports world and makes Kobe rethink why he's even touched a ball. :hammertime:

[Da_Realist]

You've completely made Kobe's games irrelevant. They shouldn't even count. Nothing compares to Jordan's games!!! He's the greatest at everything basketball-related of all time!!! Da Realist FTW! I hope this spreads across the sports world and makes Kobe rethink why he's even touched a ball. :hammertime:

No. That's not true. He did have one great 60 point game against a playoff team. Can't forget that :no:

[JJ81]

Please delete this thread before Kobe goes cold in the second half.

61 doesn't sound so cold to me

[Dizzle-2k7]

:applause:

[juju151111]

kobe-5 60+ games in 4 1/2 seasons as the no.1
mj-5 in his whole career.:roll:
thats pretty stupid considering kobe has been taking more shots then shaq since 2001.

[EricForman]

kobe-5 60+ games in 4 1/2 seasons as the no.1
mj-5 in his whole career.:roll:


i hope you realize--i know you don't, you a blind homer, but i can only dream--that 61 vs D'Antoni's Knicks is not better than 50+ vs Riley's Knicks.

[dajadeed]

lmao @ all the haters.

Integrity of the game? HAHA, get the eff outta here.

Fact: Kobe Bryant holds the record for the most points scored in the Garden.

Deal with it. No one is saying he's this or that, just that he had a great game.

[guy]

Man, I can't imagine the type of crazy statlines Lebron, Kobe, or Wade would be putting up if they decide to sign with the Knicks. I don't think +60 to +80 point games 4 or 5 times a year would really be far-fetched.

[Brunch@Five]

lmao @ all the haters.

Integrity of the game? HAHA, get the eff outta here.

Fact: Kobe Bryant holds the record for the most points scored in the Garden.

Deal with it. No one is saying he's this or that, just that he had a great game.

yep, it's Kobe haters/Jordan fans that brought the whole MJ vs Kobe into the discussion

[dajadeed]

BTW, for all the numbnut retards here bashing Kobe, there was a game on ESPN Classic a while back, Larry Legend in the 80s going against some team. Less than a minute left, Celtics up big, and the Celtics WERE FOULING the other team so Larry could hit the 60 point mark.

Some of you guys need to take your medication and realize that this is only a game. If Kobe is good enough to score at will against a team, then he better do that ****. If he's shooting 50% or better, KEEP SHOOTING THE DAMN BALL.

Appreciate this. Other players can do great things, no need to **** on a Kobe thread.

[MaxFly]

Tale of the tape.

Michael Jordan

April 20, 1986
63 vs Boston
Also had 5 rebs and 6 asts
Boston won 67 games in 86
Went on to become NBA Champions
** Happened in the playoffs

March 4, 1987 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/198703040DET.html)
61 vs Detroit
He also had 7 rebs, 3 asts, 3 stls and 3 blks
Detroit won 52 games in 87
Playoff team

April 16, 1987 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/198704160CHI.html)
61 vs Atlanta
Also had 10 rebs, 1 ast, 4 stls and 1 blk
Atlanta won 57 games in 87
Playoff team

March 28, 1990 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199003280CLE.html)
69 vs Cleveland
Also had 18 rebs, 6 asts, 4 stls and 1 blk
Cleveland won 42 games in 90
Playoff team

January 16, 1993 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199301160CHI.html)
64 vs Orlando
Also had 6 rebs, 1 ast and 5 stls
Orlando won 41 games in 1993


I think both of these factions are playing a meaningless game of back and forth... Both of these players have put forward a number of great efforts. Instead of comparing their games and downplaying the accomplishments of one player or another, we should simply marvel at what they have been able to accomplish and leave it at that.

Da_Realist, those were some excellent games on Jordan's part, and you made a good point concerning the level of competition Jordan was facing when he played those games, but if we're going to downplay accomplishments, one could easily point out that Jordan lost 3 of those 5 games in which he scored 60+ and that he was less efficient in those 5 60+ point games than Bryant has been in his 5 60+ point games, while averaging fewer points...

Understand that there is always a response... always a come back. This foolishness needs to stop. There are a few Bryant groupies here who have knowingly made provocative statements looking to bait other posters. Those posters should be ignored. After awhile, don't you guys get tired of the same arguments?

[MaxFly]

yep, it's Kobe haters/Jordan fans that brought the whole MJ vs Kobe into the discussion

There have been Bryant groupies in here looking to provoke others though. Let's not overlook that as well.

[gts]

I think both of these factions are playing a meaningless game of back and forth... Both of these players have put forward a number of great efforts. Instead of comparing their games and downplaying the accomplishments of one player or another, we should simply marvel at what they have been able to accomplish and leave it at that.

Understand that there is always a response... always a come back. This foolishness needs to stop. There are a few Bryant groupies here who have knowingly made provocative statements looking to bait other posters. Those posters should be ignored. After awhile, don't you guys get tired of the same arguments? this is why Max is on top of the food chain.. nice post

[KenneBell]

one could easily point out that Jordan lost 3 of those 5 games in which he scored 60+ and that he was less efficient in those 5 60+ point games than Bryant has been in his 5 60+ point games, while averaging fewer points...

Wait a second. Are you trying to tell me that MJ lost games? And he didn't hit 100% of his shots? That goes against everything I've heard on here. :roll:

I'm sorry, I'll stop.

[Da_Realist]

Da_Realist, those were some excellent games on Jordan's part, and you made a good point concerning the level of competition Jordan was facing when he played those games, but if we're going to downplay accomplishments, one could easily point out that Jordan lost 3 of those 5 games in which he scored 60+ and that he was less efficient in those 5 60+ point games than Bryant has been in his 5 60+ point games, while averaging fewer points...

Sure. That happens when you play opponents that are capable of beating you... i.e. quality opponents.

He played his best against tougher teams when it mattered the most. I don't think that downgrades his performances. :confusedshrug:

[wang4three]

kobe-5 60+ games in 4 1/2 seasons as the no.1
mj-5 in his whole career.:roll:
The obvious response is:
Jordan - 6 Rings at the no. 1 option
Kobe - 0 Rings at the no. 1 option


But I don't really like to get in these things. I actually really like Kobe and hope he does well.

[MaxFly]

Wait a second. Are you trying to tell me that MJ lost games? And he didn't hit 100% of his shots? That goes against everything I've heard on here. :roll:

I'm sorry, I'll stop.

Lol, I don't want people to focus on that aspect of my post. My goal was to point out that if people want to nitpick, they will nitpick, regardless of how trivial, regardless of how inconsequential the issue they've chosen to focus on. We create never ending arguments that really aren't all that important and only serve to distract from some of the great basketball we have been privileged to see.

[crisoner]

60+ pts is no joke. when kobe starts doing 60 every game then its a joke.

Best quote of this thread period

[guy]

I think both of these factions are playing a meaningless game of back and forth... Both of these players have put forward a number of great efforts. Instead of comparing their games and downplaying the accomplishments of one player or another, we should simply marvel at what they have been able to accomplish and leave it at that.

Da_Realist, those were some excellent games on Jordan's part, and you made a good point concerning the level of competition Jordan was facing when he played those games, but if we're going to downplay accomplishments, one could easily point out that Jordan lost 3 of those 5 games in which he scored 60+ and that he was less efficient in those 5 60+ point games than Bryant has been in his 5 60+ point games, while averaging fewer points...

Understand that there is always a response... always a come back. This foolishness needs to stop. There are a few Bryant groupies here who have knowingly made provocative statements looking to bait other posters. Those posters should be ignored. After awhile, don't you guys get tired of the same arguments?

The Bulls won 3 of those 5 not lose them. But I agree with you. I think Jordan's was more impressive then Kobe's cause of the teams he played, but whatever. I don't see why Jordan supporters really still feel the need to come and defend Jordan over Kobe. Jordan vs. Kobe should've never been an argument in the first place, and it definitely should not be after what happened last year.

Fellow Jordan fans, I don't know why any of you feel the need to get into these arguments when Jordan's combination of accomplishments/skills/intangibles pretty much trumps Kobe's, and Kobe would really need a miracle at this point of his career to surpass him. One more 60+ point game isn't going to change that. Just appreciate Kobe for what he is, and that is an amazing player.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

if anyone other than Kobe dropped that 61, there would not be any such fuss. It would just be high praise...and deservedly so.
Instead, we get all this, "well MJ blah blah blah"

[All Net]

One of my work mates went to this game, his first ever basketball game

LUCKY BASTARD!! :oldlol:

[MaxFly]

The Bulls won 3 of those 5 not lose them.

Of the five, the Bulls lost to the Hawks, Celtics and Magic... two of which were in overtime, with the Celtics game having a second overtime... so they were very close...

[MaxFly]

if anyone other than Kobe dropped that 61, there would not be any such fuss. It would just be high praise...and deservedly so.
Instead, we get all this, "well MJ blah blah blah"

Some of you guys help bring that on yourselves though... real talk. :confusedshrug:

[guy]

Of the five, the Bulls lost to the Hawks, Celtics and Magic... two of which were in overtime, with the Celtics game having a second overtime... so they were very close...

Oh you're right. My bad. I didn't realize they lost to the Magic, I could've sworn they won that game. Oh well.

[Da_Realist]

if anyone other than Kobe dropped that 61, there would not be any such fuss. It would just be high praise...and deservedly so.
Instead, we get all this, "well MJ blah blah blah"


Some of you guys help bring that on yourselves though... real talk. :confusedshrug:

Right. Look at who the "MJ>Kobe" posts are replying to. It's not what GTS wrote (which I agree with) -- about how it's an entertaining performance that we should all just enjoy. It's the posts that say, "Kobe scored 61. Oldest to score 60. Kobe > MJ. Kobe is GOAT :pimp: " that generate all the responses.

When you call out the dogs, don't get upset when you get bit. And for those that complain about the responses...why? Why do you care? Go to the Lakers forum where they are sure to appreciate it. Or don't click on the obvious "Kobe > MJ" or "MJ > Kobe" links. It's that simple.

I guarantee that if Arenas or Lebron or Ginobli scored 78 points and their fans said so-and-so > MJ, there would be some discussions. It's not just Kobe. Kobe fans just call out the dogs more than other fans.

[dajadeed]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AJodNs2p74

I wonder what the dumbasses in this thread would say about Larry shooting until the buzzer to get 60.

[Da_Realist]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AJodNs2p74

I wonder what the dumbasses in this thread would say about Larry shooting until the buzzer to get 60.

reposted.




I guarantee that if Arenas or Lebron or Ginobli scored 78 points and their fans said so-and-so > MJ, there would be some discussions. It's not just Kobe. Kobe fans just call out the dogs more than other fans.

Start a thread that says, "Bird > MJ", I guarantee there will be 300 responses by the end of the week. Look up any thread that does a comparison and you will have a ton of responses. Look up "Kobe > Bird" for instance.

The only reason Kobe generates more responses when he plays well is because his fans want to compare him more often than most other fans.

[OldSchoolBBall]

kobe-5 60+ games in 4 1/2 seasons as the no.1
mj-5 in his whole career.:roll:

Uhh, Jordan had 4 of his 5 games of 60+ in a 4 year span also. What's your point?

[Samurai Swoosh]

Tale of the tape.

Michael Jordan

April 20, 1986
63 vs Boston
Also had 5 rebs and 6 asts
Boston won 67 games in 86
Went on to become NBA Champions
** Happened in the playoffs

March 4, 1987 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/198703040DET.html)
61 vs Detroit
He also had 7 rebs, 3 asts, 3 stls and 3 blks
Detroit won 52 games in 87
Playoff team

April 16, 1987 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/198704160CHI.html)
61 vs Atlanta
Also had 10 rebs, 1 ast, 4 stls and 1 blk
Atlanta won 57 games in 87
Playoff team

March 28, 1990 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199003280CLE.html)
69 vs Cleveland
Also had 18 rebs, 6 asts, 4 stls and 1 blk
Cleveland won 42 games in 90
Playoff team

January 16, 1993 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199301160CHI.html)
64 vs Orlando
Also had 6 rebs, 1 ast and 5 stls
Orlando won 41 games in 1993

Kobe Bryant

January 22, 2006 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200601220LAL.html)
81 vs Toronto
Also had 6 rebs, 2 asts, 3 stls and 1 blk
Toronto won 27 games in 2006

March 16, 2007 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200703160LAL.html)
65 vs Portland
Also had 7 rebs, 3 asts and 3 stls
Portland won 32 games in 2007

December 20, 2005 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200512200LAL.html)
62 vs Dallas
Also had 8 rebs, 0 asts, 3 stls
Dallas won 60 games in 2006
Playoff team

March 22, 2007 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200703220MEM.html)
60 vs Memphis
Also had 5 rebs and 4 asts
Memphis won 22 games in 2007

February 2, 2009 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200902020NYK.html)
61 vs New York
Also had 0 rebs, 3 asts and 1 blk
New York is 21-26 so far this season
You convinently failed to mention that the Mavericks weren't just a mere Playoff team, but competed for the NBA Finals that season, and were top ranked in team defense I believe that year. But that is without a doubt his best scoring game as a pro.

Everything else is dead on accurate.

The only other context you could bring into the conversation to make the playing field some what more leveled is by asking how many of those 60 point games came in overtime?

Kobe's only had one that came with an extra period, that being the Portland game. MJ, his Celtics performance, Magic performance, Cleveland performance all came with extra periods. So while yes, MJ is more impressive in that he did it in meaningful games, against stiff and/or great competition he also did it with extra time on the clock. Kobe, most of his performances coming against weak competition, still put up huge numbers in regulation, sometimes even sitting out huge chunks of time in said games. Kobe deserves some praise for that, does he not?

[OldSchoolBBall]

but if we're going to downplay accomplishments, one could easily point out that Jordan lost 3 of those 5 games in which he scored 60+

Playing better teams will do that to you. The average record of teams which Kobe has scored 50+ on is something like 39-43. The average record of teams he's scored 40+ on in the last 4 seasons is even worse (like 37-45).

[RoseCity07]

Every time I think Kobe lost his outside shooting touch he goes off. Hope he goes for 100 one time.

[Da_Realist]

Forgot that the Mavericks weren't just a Playoff team, but competed for the NBA Finals. But that is without a doubt his best scoring game as a pro/ Everything else is dead on accurate. The only other context you could bring into the conversation to make the playing field some what more leveled is by asking how many of those 60 point games came in overtime? Kobe's only had one that came with an extra period, that being the Portland game. MJ, his Celtics performance, Magic performance, Cleveland performance all came with extra periods. So while yes, MJ is more impressive in that he did it in meaningful games, against stiff and/or great competition he also did it with extra time on the clock. Kobe, most of his performances coming against weak competition, still put up huge numbers in regulation, sometimes even sitting out huge chunks of time in said games. Kobe deserves some praise for that, does he not?

Good point. He deserves some praise for that. In determining which player had the best 60-point performances, it depends on your perspective. I think it would be harder for Kobe to accomplish what MJ did than for MJ to do what Kobe did.

There have been many times MJ could have done more but didn't have the desire to push it all the way. A good example is Game 1 of the NBA Finals against Portland in 1992. If MJ had Kobe's mentality and his eye on the record books, he would have crushed his own record of 63 and probably gone for 70 even as Portland waved the white flag. Clearly MJ put on the brakes after halftime -- scoring only 6 (I think) in the second half. And that's against a Finals opponent. Don't think he could have done that against the old Sacramento Kings (Kenny Smith edition) or the LA Clippers (pretty much ANY year until he retired)?

It takes a different kind of person to get so worked up over scoring against such weak competition as a 22 win team or a 35 win team. It's not that it's not impressive, it's that most of his great scoring outbursts are limited to these. That, and the fact that far too often he doesn't bring that same efficiency against the better teams.

If Kobe scores 60 vs the Celtics or Cavs this week, you won't hear a peep out of me.

[chopchop20]

My whole thing is that I don't understand when Kobe does something significant MJ is always dragged in then stupid debates start to no end.

Kobe hit 61 -- most ever in MSG. That's a pretty good accomplishment no matter how bad the defense was. Especially for a guy who's been playing 13 years.

i don't think this thread was started to deify Kobe, just to give him props for this one game.

[Samurai Swoosh]

Good point. He deserves some praise for that. In determining which player had the best 60-point performances, it depends on your perspective. I think it would be harder for Kobe to accomplish what MJ did than for MJ to do what Kobe did.

There have been many times MJ could have done more but didn't have the desire to push it all the way. A good example is Game 1 of the NBA Finals against Portland in 1992. If MJ had Kobe's mentality and his eye on the record books, he would have crushed his own record of 63 and probably gone for 70 even as Portland waved the white flag. Clearly MJ put on the brakes after halftime -- scoring only 3 (I think) in the second half. And that's against a Finals opponent. Don't think he could have done that against the old Sacramento Kings (Kenny Smith edition) or the LA Clippers (pretty much ANY year until he retired)?

It takes a different kind of person to get so worked up over scoring against such weak competition as a 22 win team or a 35 win team. It's not that it's not impressive, it's that most of his great scoring outbursts are limited to these. That, and the fact that far too often he doesn't bring that same efficiency against the better teams.

If Kobe scores 60 vs the Celtics or Cavs this week, you won't hear a peep out of me.
I totally agree. And as I stated in another thread, Kobe's my second favorite hooper od all time and I completely agree. I'd love to see him do this against ELITE competition. Or under the real bright lights and pressure on the biggest stage in the Playoffs.

[Samurai Swoosh]

My whole thing is that I don't understand when Kobe does something significant MJ is always dragged in then stupid debates start to no end.

Kobe hit 61 -- most ever in MSG. That's a pretty good accomplishment no matter how bad the defense was. Especially for a guy who's been playing 13 years.

i don't think this thread was started to deify Kobe, just to give him props for this one game.
13 seasons have to do with it? He's only 30 years old in the grand scheme of things. He's still a young kat.

[chopchop20]

13 seasons have to do with it? He's only 30 years old in the grand scheme of things. He's still a young kat.

Yeah but that takes a toll on your knees and body -- look at Vince and T-Mac, even Dwade has slowed some.

[donxcore]

I was at the Garden and it was incredible! I was far from the court but the crowd was very loud, it felt like a home game for the lakers at the end of the fourth during that standing ovation. Nonetheless, I enjoyed his pull up jumpers, it just shows what a great player kobe is to put up a show like that at any given time. :applause:

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

13 seasons have to do with it? He's only 30 years old in the grand scheme of things. He's still a young kat.

oldest 30-yr-old in the history of the NBA.

[bisk]

I am so sick of my country.
So I finally read an article about the NBA and Kobe's performance last night, and they dare to call his nickname as "King Kobe".
That's it, I'm movin to the US as soon as I get a chance to.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

I am so sick of my country.
So I finally read an article about the NBA and Kobe's performance last night, and they dare to call his nickname as "King Kobe".
That's it, I'm movin to the US as soon as I get a chance to.

but you guys have GREAT beer there!!?

[quasimoto]

I am so sick of my country.
So I finally read an article about the NBA and Kobe's performance last night, and they dare to call his nickname as "King Kobe".
That's it, I'm movin to the US as soon as I get a chance to.
:cheers:

[bisk]

but you guys have GREAT beer there!!?

fk it, I'll get used to Bud or so..

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

fk it, I'll get used to Bud or so..

:roll:

[gabeh1018]

Yeah but that takes a toll on your knees and body -- look at Vince and T-Mac, even Dwade has slowed some.


you think so??

i think since the Olympics and up until this point, he looks better and faster than ever...

[D-Rose]

you think so??

i think since the Olympics and up until this point, he looks better and faster than ever...
Yeah, D-Wade is on the rise if anything. If the NBA had a comeback of the season award, it would go to him.

[OneMoreSucka]

fk it, I'll get used to Bud or so..
There's still great beer here, just have to search a little harder.

[Lebron23]

Kobe Bryant = Best Scorer in the New Millennium.


:applause: :applause: :applause:

[Da_Realist]

yes, it is. kobe team blew out the knicks and he had 61 pts to jordans 55 with fewer shots and less court time. its not about the comp-its about the impact and dominance imported upon the game and kobe dominated and impacted moreso in his 61 pt game then jordan did in his.:applause:

:oldlol: This dude makes me laugh.

I actually enjoy reading your posts, dude. I disagree with just about all of them, but I like the way you present your case.

[1~Gibson~1]

yes, it is. kobe team blew out the knicks and he had 61 pts to jordans 55 with fewer shots and less court time. its not about the comp-its about the impact and dominance imported upon the game and kobe dominated and impacted moreso in his 61 pt game then jordan did in his.:applause::oldlol:

[insidehoops]

OK, I just spent 10 minutes deleting most of the completely idiotic comments that were on the first six pages.

NOTE TO EVERYONE:

Contribute INTELLIGENT THOUGHTS about this, or don't post.

Don't taunt people, type stupid sarcastic crap about Kobe fans, etc.

Just discuss this amazing performance and share INTELLIGENT thoughts on it, even if you are just echoing how great it was.

Thanks.

[Babalu]

OK, I just spent 10 minutes deleting most of the completely idiotic comments that were on the first six pages.

NOTE TO EVERYONE:

Contribute INTELLIGENT THOUGHTS about this, or don't post.

Don't taunt people, type stupid sarcastic crap about Kobe fans, etc.

Just discuss this amazing performance and share INTELLIGENT thoughts on it, even if you are just echoing how great it was.

Thanks.


thread cleanups ftw.

I think putting up 40 against cavs or celtics next week will be more impressive. Lets do this!

[riseagainst]

:bowdown: :bowdown:

[madmax17]

Most players won't end the night with 34 points. Kobe does it before the third quarter.So what, Lebron does it before the fourth :confusedshrug:

[CavaliersFTW]

34 points, 13/20 from the field, 100% from the stripe, 3/5 from 3...

And there is still a half to play...

Ladies and gentlemen take out your opossums because the Black Mamba is back!

http://www.getnothurt.net/images/black%20mamba%20mouth.jpg

Kobe Bryant has broken Jordan's MSG visiting scorer record at 61 points.

Bryant put up this on 19/31 shooting with 50% from the perimeter and 100% from the line going on 20/20!
Black Mamba's and opossums don't even live on the same continent :no: