LeBron #1 in GW shots since 03-04. [Archive] - Message Board Basketball Forum

Kobe24

02-06-2009, 01:30 AM

Don't see what the big deal is seeing as neither of them have won an NBA finals since that point.

And one of them hasn't won a game in the Finals.

Actually, no. He's tied with LeBron for #1. Both have 4 GWs in 8 attempts. LeBron has a GW assist too.

Actually, Lebron missed a FT in the clutch. Kobe leads.

rawimpact

02-06-2009, 01:30 AM

Actually, no. He's tied with LeBron for #1. Both have 4 GWs in 8 attempts. LeBron has a GW assist too.

How many close games were both of them in since then?

plowking

02-06-2009, 01:31 AM

Isn't he something like 4-24 when there is less then 10 seconds on the clock?

DuMa

02-06-2009, 01:31 AM

Yet Kobe leads the league in game winners in the playoffs.

if you kept reading down in the link he provided so nicely, you'd see that Kobe and Lebron are tied in playoff game winning shots at 4. but i guess you cant take the time to read and instead just want to prove yourself to be an idiot time and time again. :oldlol:

Godfather

02-06-2009, 01:32 AM

And one of them hasn't won a game in the Finals.

How many years in the league was LeBron James in prior to reaching the Finals?

How old was LeBron?

Best question who was LeBron's second best player?

And apparently you were wrong about the game winners...they have an equal amount.

Meticode

02-06-2009, 01:32 AM

It seems when Laker fans start posting threads LeBron fans come out of the wood work and also make stupid threads. Go figure.

DuMa

02-06-2009, 01:33 AM

It seems when Laker fans start posting threads LeBron fans come out of the wood work and also make stupid threads. Go figure.

theyre both equally stupid, but thats okay. i enjoy flaming the hell out of them. :oldlol:

imdaman99

02-06-2009, 01:33 AM

Who the *F* cares when half of them are versus the Wizards?

I think I could have hit game winning layups versus the Wizards.

inclinerator

02-06-2009, 01:34 AM

wtf really i had no idea he was this clutch

SLY

02-06-2009, 01:34 AM

And one of them hasn't won a game in the Finals.

Actually, Lebron missed a FT in the clutch. Kobe leads.
Lebron >>> Kobe

Lebron sh!ts on him

NuggetsFan

02-06-2009, 01:44 AM

Godfather

02-06-2009, 01:46 AM

And this is why I feel Melo is under rated. Out of the top 15 players during the season GW Melo shoots the best percentage. Over half that list shoots under .400% and Melo shoots something like .480%. He is 5th on that list is the most effective out of the top 10. He has only attempted 27 and made 13 of them. I have always said that down the stretch he would probably be the 2nd or 3rd guy that I would want making the big shot. After looking at the list tho you really realize alot tho. How players such as Billups and Roy get praised for there clutch play but you take a look at the % and see how there not really the best option out there.

Don't understand why people only look at Lebron and Kobe..

Getting out of the first round is important for some odd reason. :rolleyes:

KRAYZIE

02-06-2009, 01:47 AM

wtf really i had no idea he was this clutch
Did you even look at the stats? LeBron is 17 of 50(34%) in "Game Winning" situations, meanwhile Kobe is 14 of 56(25%). Neither has been that "clutch" judging by those statistics, really.

Kobe24

02-06-2009, 01:48 AM

Lebron >>> Kobe

Lebron sh!ts on him

Nets haven't been the same since Kobe shut down their building in 02.

NuggetsFan

02-06-2009, 01:48 AM

Getting out of the first round is important for some odd reason. :rolleyes:

Yeah it is thats why if you actually read what I said you would notice the part where I said season GW

But nvm why would we want to talk about that...lets just have a discussion with dick riding homers about Kobe and Lebron.

:oldlol:

Godfather

02-06-2009, 01:50 AM

Yeah it is thats why if you actually read what I said you would notice the part where I said season GW

But nvm why would we want to talk about that...lets just have a discussion with dick riding homers about Kobe and Lebron.

:oldlol:

I don't care that you are talking about season GW. You asked why people talk only about Kobe and LeBron and I answered your question.

DuMa

02-06-2009, 01:51 AM

Did you even look at the stats? LeBron is 17 of 50(34%) in "Game Winning" situations, meanwhile Kobe is 14 of 56(25%). Neither has been that "clutch" judging by those statistics, really.

being 'clutch' isn't a statistic. you have to pick the right guy to get you the best shot at the end of close games. and kobe and lebron are the 2 best players for that. statistics are meaning less, those two are the absolute best in creating makable shots.

Godfather

02-06-2009, 01:51 AM

Nets haven't been the same since Kobe shut down their building in 02.

You mean Shaq...

Kobe24

02-06-2009, 01:53 AM

You mean Shaq...

Things haven't been the same since Kobe shut down Lebron on national television.

NuggetsFan

02-06-2009, 01:53 AM

I don't care that you are talking about season GW. You asked why people talk only about Kobe and LeBron and I answered your question.

You just made a stupid remark bring up Melo's not getting out of the first round when the thread is about GW.

It's really sad when people like you don't realize that there is 28 other teams out there and alot of different players.

So this thread is about GW that players have made in the playoffs only if they got out of the 1st round tho...Ok gotcha my bad:oldlol:

Godfather

02-06-2009, 01:58 AM

You just made a stupid remark bring up Melo's not getting out of the first round when the thread is about GW.

It's really sad when people like you don't realize that there is 28 other teams out there and alot of different players.

So this thread is about GW that players have made in the playoffs only if they got out of the 1st round tho...Ok gotcha my bad:oldlol:

How many GW has he made in the playoffs?

That's right...

And I answered your question. If you don't like the truth don't ask it.

NuggetsFan

02-06-2009, 02:01 AM

How many GW has he made in the playoffs?

That's right...

And I answered your question. If you don't like the truth don't ask it.

Did I miss the section where it said this thread is only about game winners in the playoffs\players that have been out of the first round? If I did then once again thats my bad because the way I saw it was we were looking at GW in general and it turned into a Kobe vs Lebron. Probably should get the guy to change the title tho it's kinda misleading :rockon:

SLY

02-06-2009, 02:02 AM

Things haven't been the same since Kobe shut down Lebron on national television.
Kobe ain't sh!t

Shaq shut the nets down kobe was nothing but a sidekick

LEBRON >>> KOBE ALL DAY

WADE >>> KOBE ALL DAY

NuggetsFan

02-06-2009, 02:02 AM

Yet Kobe leads the league in game winners in the playoffs.

Yup there it is..so it was about general GW..until a Kobe homer said this and you responded with Lebron's dick in your mouth.

Nice try tho :oldlol:

Meticode

02-06-2009, 02:02 AM

Kobe ain't sh!t

Shaq shut the nets down kobe was nothing but a sidekick

LEBRON >>> KOBE ALL DAY

WADE >>> KOBE ALL DAY

YOU = TROLL ALL DAY

Gingereffic

02-06-2009, 02:03 AM

wtf really i had no idea he was this clutch

Maybe cuz everyone is hating on the guy so much. The craziest stat is that Kobe has more missed game winners than any other player in the league. I remember mj Saying he missed 29 games winners and made something like 26. Wow that really shows Mj was much better than all these guys.. Well I guess another fact that lebron and kobe fans will say means nothing. THEY WILL NEVER LEARNNN.. :

Godfather

02-06-2009, 02:06 AM

Did I miss the section where it said this thread is only about game winners in the playoffs\players that have been out of the first round? If I did then once again thats my bad because the way I saw it was we were looking at GW in general and it turned into a Kobe vs Lebron. Probably should get the guy to change the title tho it's kinda misleading :rockon:

Let me explain this to you as if you were a child.

You asked the question.

Don't understand why people only look at Lebron and Kobe..

I answered by saying.

Getting out of the first round is important for some odd reason.

People generally do not give much attention to players who are second round Virgins. I hate to break it to you, but basketball is a game about winning.

SLY

02-06-2009, 02:06 AM

YOU = TROLL ALL DAY
Well this troll was sodomizing you last night

KRAYZIE

02-06-2009, 02:08 AM

I don't care that you are talking about season GW. You asked why people talk only about Kobe and LeBron and I answered your question.
Go back and reread his post and you'll realize that he's talking about Melo being underrated and disrespected when it comes to being a clutch player. And that whenever there's a topic on who's clutch, both LeBron and Kobe's name always pops up and dominates the discussion. Of course, it's understandable seeing how both have a larger fanbase than Public Enemy #1, Carmelo Anthony.

Oh and BTW, stats don't lie.:no:

Meticode

02-06-2009, 02:10 AM

Well this troll was sodomizing you last night

Way to go on insulting yourself. :hammerhead:

KRAYZIE

02-06-2009, 02:11 AM

being 'clutch' isn't a statistic. you have to pick the right guy to get you the best shot at the end of close games. and kobe and lebron are the 2 best players for that. statistics are meaning less, those two are the absolute best in creating makable shots.
Uh-huh...sure. Statistics are meaningless.:rolleyes:

imdaman99

02-06-2009, 02:11 AM

Just because you miss a lot of game winners doesn't make you unclutch. It means you have the cajones to take the shots. The fact and the matter is, these 2 guys both have the ball at the end of games, and both score great at the end of games, doesn't have to be the last shot, but they're both great with under 2 mins left, but in my opinion Kobe is better at under 2 mins than anyone else in the game right now.

NuggetsFan

02-06-2009, 02:12 AM

Let me explain this to you as if you were a child.

You asked the question.

I answered by saying.

People generally do not give much attention to players who are second round Virgins. I hate to break it to you, but basketball is a game about winning.

I agree 1000% basketball is about winning. And If the thread was titled GW in the playoffs do you honestly think I would have made the post I did? Clearly not because Melo seems to go on vacation during the playoffs. But the thread in general was about GW until a Kobe fan boy said something about the playoffs and then the Lebron junkies responded. I simply stated that Melo has been exceptional for GW's during the season and how he shot such a higher % then others.

I then said why do people only talk about Lebron and Kobe because it's a thread about GW's in general and the OP said Lebron was number 1 so I just went through the list and made my comments pretty simple until you made a remark to me..:oldlol:

Back on topic I'm really surprised at Billups at both during the season and in the playoffs.

KRAYZIE

02-06-2009, 02:12 AM

People generally do not give much attention to players who are second round Virgins. I hate to break it to you, but basketball is a game about winning.
http://vogons.zetafleet.com/files/orly.jpg

SLY

02-06-2009, 02:13 AM

Way to go on insulting yourself. :hammerhead:
Well your the PRAG (google that sh!t your find what it means)

Last i checked you were maoning for more all i did was fulfill your wishes and now this is the thanks i get :mad:

GO find yourself another dick to play with PRAG

imdaman99

02-06-2009, 02:13 AM

LOL at Eddy Curry and Flip Murray. MAN ARE THOSE GUYS CLUTCH!!!!!! :lol

I already knew Travis Outlaw was pretty clutch. But Peja? GTFO here, I still remember that UFO he put up vs the Lakers in game 7.

NuggetsFan

02-06-2009, 02:13 AM

Go back and reread his post and you'll realize that he's talking about Melo being underrated and disrespected when it comes to being a clutch player. And that whenever there's a topic on who's clutch, both LeBron and Kobe's name always pops up and dominates the discussion. Of course, it's understandable seeing how both have a larger fanbase than Public Enemy #1, Carmelo Anthony.

Oh and BTW, stats don't lie.:no:

Thank you for actually reading :oldlol: it's like he skimmed down my post and saw something about Kobe and Lebron and didn't want the discussion to go back on topic or something.

NuggetsFan

02-06-2009, 02:15 AM

Originally Posted by Godfather
People generally do not give much attention to players who are second round Virgins. I hate to break it to you, but basketball is a game about winning.

I understand that completely but when the topic is about GW in general why can't I mention Melo was he has been the most effective during the season? if It was about the playoffs then I wouldn't have but its about in general.

Diesel J

02-06-2009, 02:17 AM

Interesting stats...I think this can finally put to rest the myth of Kobe's ultra clutchness:oldlol:

Melo 13/27 in the clutch with 24 sec or less left = :bowdown:

KRAYZIE

02-06-2009, 02:23 AM

I understand that completely but when the topic is about GW in general why can't I mention Melo was he has been the most effective during the season? if It was about the playoffs then I wouldn't have but its about in general.
Because Basketball is a game about winning. Sorry, didn't wanna have to break that to ya.:lol

People generally do not give much attention to players who are second round Virgins. I hate to break it to you, but basketball is a game about winning.

NuggetsFan

02-06-2009, 02:25 AM

Because Basketball is a game about winning. Sorry, didn't wanna have to break that to ya.:lol

Your right I forgot to read that this thread is only about GW that came from players that have been out of the first round during the playoffs:oldlol:

JJ81

02-06-2009, 02:29 AM

:confusedshrug:

Juges8932

02-06-2009, 02:31 AM

Interesting stat line. Doesn't tell it all though.

amfirst

02-06-2009, 02:33 AM

It really boils down to who has more close games to have the oppurtunity to be clutch. Otherwise, if u blow teams away there's no chances to be clutch.

OldSchoolBBall

02-06-2009, 02:40 AM

Yet Kobe leads the league in game winners in the playoffs.

Link? I'm pretty sure they don't track this.

SLY

02-06-2009, 02:46 AM

Link? I'm pretty sure they don't track this.
Kobe24 is mildly retarded so dont mind him

Check the link of the thread scroll down and it clearly stated both Kobe and Lebron are tied in that stat but Lebron has an assist over Kobe too

KRAYZIE

02-06-2009, 02:47 AM

Link? I'm pretty sure they don't track this.
It's there, except both Kobe and LeBron are tied for 1st in that aspect. Somewhere around 4 of 8 a piece, I believe.

OldSchoolBBall

02-06-2009, 02:50 AM

Check the link of the thread scroll down and it clearly stated both Kobe and Lebron are tied in that stat but Lebron has an assist over Kobe too

Just saw it, thanks.

SLY

02-06-2009, 02:51 AM

Just saw it, thanks.
no problems my friend

Lebron23

02-06-2009, 05:40 AM

LeBron is Mr. Clutch. And those guys that are hating on LeBron are either retarded, or a F@got.

02-06-2009, 08:06 AM

Kobe has the lowest IQ in league history when it comes to buzzer beaters, he is however the most clutch player in the 4th quarter. I don't care what anyone says, there isn't a player in this league that is feared more then Kobe in the 4th. He can hit a shot from anywhere and usually does. To me being clutch is stepping up in the last quarter of the game and bringing your team back into the game or extend/secure the lead. Even last night against Boston, he had a terrible game but still managed to hit 3 huge three's when LA was down late in the game, that's clutch. He wasn't clutch in OT however, but without him there would never be an OT. He brought his team back in the game with those 3's when he couldn't buy a basket all 2nd half up to that point. That's being clutch. James doesn't have that mystique, when his jumper struggles it struggles all game long. And the only way he will score in the 4th is penetrating and using his brute force.

Kobe refuses to drive inside on a game winning shot and usually ends up taking a very difficult fade away over 3 people. That's why he has done so poorly, because of his stubbornness/stupidity.

GOBB

02-06-2009, 09:39 AM

I'm kinda too lazy to read the link in detail. But the Bron is 17-50 in GW'ers. Meaning he had 50 attempts in 5yrs to hit the GW (as defined by them) and he has made 17 of them. Ok.

Kinda wondering about the FTm-FTa, are those game winning situations as well? And the assists tally are assists made where a teammate hit a game winning shot?

Diesel J

02-06-2009, 10:24 AM

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Diesel J

02-06-2009, 10:26 AM

Kinda wondering about the FTm-FTa, are those game winning situations as well?

The FT's are the attempts with 24 secs or less to go

And the assists tally are assists made where a teammate hit a game winning shot?

yes

jrong

02-06-2009, 10:46 AM

ONCE AGAIN 82games is attempting to redefine these concepts. By their definition, a gamewinning shot may be hit by a player whose team didn't actually win the game!

A gamewinning shot is a shot that is hit to win the game. Period, end of discussion. A gamewinning shot is not a shot that is hit with less than twenty-four seconds left and then the other team comes back and makes a shot of their own.

And I would REALLY like 82games to reconcile their list against the ESPN list that said that LeBron is 4/23 in gamewinning situations.

Gingereffic

02-06-2009, 11:16 AM

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Gingereffic

02-06-2009, 11:17 AM

Gingereffic

02-06-2009, 11:21 AM

While it's true that Kobe is known to hit all types of crazy shots, he isn't better in the 4th (atleast in the last few seasons) than Lebron. Cav were the best come from behind/close game winning team the last few seasons for a reason. Read below....

Is Lebron always terrible in the 4th? (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=112927&page=3)

Real difference between Lebron in the clutch and Kobe is that Lberon will mix it up and even hit the open man while would rather shoot fall aways over 3 people. Read below...

2006-2007 season

http://82games.com/random12.htm

Bottom line?

KObe's mythical cluthness is just that, a myth. Peole talk about his game winners so much to make comparison between him and Jordan that they don't realize how many KObe's actually missed.

WOW This just puts Mj in another class. Well I always knew that but this just solidifies my opinion. Kobe is good though in making some of those crazy shots. But he misses alot more game winners than he makes. Kobe will be lucky to have a 30 percent conversion rate on these shots. That is ok... :bowdown:

jrong

02-06-2009, 11:24 AM

The 4/23 number was based on the last 5 seconds of the game. Those numbers will be bad for every player in the league... :bowdown:

I don't know about that. Mike's numbers were pretty good. Melo's are too. Honestly, that article buried the lead-- the focus should be Melo not LeBron. His percentage is almost 50% according to their list. I think CA has peaked overall, but I don't know if there's another player in the league that I would rather have taking a last second shot.

Diesel J

02-06-2009, 11:34 AM

other big names...

Dirk 12/37

Dwyane Wade 9/37

Cp3 8/21

Chauncey Billups 6/37

Diesel J

02-06-2009, 02:40 PM

And this is why I feel Melo is under rated. Out of the top 15 players during the season GW Melo shoots the best percentage. Over half that list shoots under .400% and Melo shoots something like .480%. He is 5th on that list is the most effective out of the top 10. He has only attempted 27 and made 13 of them. I have always said that down the stretch he would probably be the 2nd or 3rd guy that I would want making the big shot. After looking at the list tho you really realize alot tho. How players such as Billups and Roy get praised for there clutch play but you take a look at the % and see how there not really the best option out there.

Don't understand why people only look at Lebron and Kobe..

IMO this us because Carmelo doesn't have too many games where he just puts his team on his back and just dominates. Even in most of the games that I can remember him hitting game winners in, he wasn't just flat out dominating. Wade, Lebron, Kobe and even Roy have had more of these type of game than Melo.

Diesel J

02-06-2009, 08:30 PM

Deron and Cp3

6/17 FG and 5 game winning assist (Deron)

8/21 FG and 5 game winning assist (CP3)

AirJordan23

02-06-2009, 08:34 PM

Eddy Curry 5 7 .714 2 2 0 0

Someone tell me how this guy isn't the GOAT.

:bowdown:

Indian guy

02-06-2009, 08:34 PM

The name I'm most proud of is Ben Gordon, who's 7th on the list with a 12/34 and the only non-All Star in the Top 10. His conversion rate has gone down a little the past couple of years, but his first 3 years in the league he was as good as anyone with those last second shots. Still is pretty good.

Maniak

02-06-2009, 08:35 PM

Yet Kobe leads the league in game winners in the playoffs.

:sleeping

Diesel J

02-06-2009, 08:35 PM

206kid

02-06-2009, 08:44 PM

Lebron is Not Clutch. Give it up

Maniak

02-06-2009, 08:46 PM

Lebron is Not Clutch. Give it up

:sleeping :sleeping

BigTicket

02-06-2009, 09:24 PM

Kobe=most clutch player in the league.

Why can't he hit gamewinning shots then ? 14 made in 56 attempts isn't exactly superb.

It is as its always been, Kobe is great at hitting impossible shots, but very poor at getting good shots, so in the end he ends up shooting a low percentage in situations like this, but making just enough youtube clips for fanboys to fawn at.

BigTicket

02-06-2009, 09:40 PM

Not one of those guys has a good % in the clutch including your boy Bron.
He's the most clutch in the game because of his ability to take over close games. Because he's been hitting big shots for nearly a decade. Because he can struggle the whole game and still kill you(see end of fourth quarter vs Boston and the 3 straight threes he hit).
Also,this http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT11.HTM

Most of them didnt shot a good %, but almost everyone shot better than Kobe.
And as for your own example he missed the attempted gamewinner against Boston, and every single shot he took in OT, just so happened that Gasol and Odom bailed him out and won the game anyway.

I'm not saying Kobe isn't clutch, I'm saying he has really poor shot selection at the end of games, and a refusal to pass the ball that hurts his team.

Think of it this way, if I had to pick someone to shoot a fadeaway in double coverage with the game on the line who would it be ? Kobe, no doubt.
But I'd much rather have someone else get me a layup or uncontested jumper, because those go in far more often.

BigTicket

02-06-2009, 10:06 PM

Most them had fewer attempts as well. Who cares if they shot better? It still sucked. And you don't watch Laker games do you? Kobe has definitely passed a ton in the clutch particularly in the last 2 years.:rolleyes: How did get Gasol get the GW dunk last night? Kobe was trapped and passed the ball to Odom who got it to Pau. How about his pass the Fisher that led to the game tying three to send the game to OT vs the Bocats.? Seems like passing in the clutch to me.Kobe not passing in the clutch is a myth by Kobe haters and Lebrick nut-huggers. Kobe was clearly fatigued in the Celtics game but those 3 threes were super clutch. BTW Kobe is shooting 50% in the clutch this year. Fall-away jumpers my ass. There is no more clutch player in the league then Kobe.

He has 56 gamewinner shot attempts and 1 gamewinner assist, 56:1, that's not just an indication he doesn't pass much in these situations, its absolute proof.
He's tell you himself if you asked too, game on the line who takes the shot ? He does. Everyone in the building knows he's taking that shot too, its no surprise, which is why he so often ends up taking it in double coverage. Phil Jackson deserves some of the blame for that too, just not smart coaching and not good team ball.

Mdog1

02-06-2009, 10:10 PM

He has 56 gamewinner shot attempts and 1 gamewinner assist, 56:1, that's not just an indication he doesn't pass much in these situations, its absolute proof.
He's tell you himself if you asked too, game on the line who takes the shot ? He does. Everyone in the building knows he's taking that shot too, its no surprise, which is why he so often ends up taking it in double coverage. Phil Jackson deserves some of the blame for that too, just not smart coaching and not good team ball.
LOL I remember against the Heat this year, Kobe took a 3 pointer from about 5 feet outside of the 3 point line, and in double coverage fading away. LeBron, Wade, Paul, Roy, most other players would have passed on that one, and given the team a much better shot. But not Kobe. No Mr. Clutch here has to take a shot that barely ever goes in and for the game none the less.

BigTicket

02-06-2009, 10:14 PM

You know nothing of the Lakers. I've watched every single game over the last like 4 seasons and Kobe has almost never shot of double coverage. That is a lie and a myth. That assist number doesn't mean he doesn't he doesn't pass in the clutch. Anybody whose watched the Lakers over the past decade knows Kobe is willing to pass the ball in the clutch. Stop talking about things you know nothing about.God, I hate Lebrick fans..

So your argument is that he doesn't shoot in double coverage, I guess he just can't hit for **** then ? 25%FG is pretty poor even for gamewinners (league average is around 30%).

Mdog1

02-06-2009, 10:16 PM

You realize there was like 1 second left on the clock when he took that 3? I guess you missed the game the next night when Kobe passed it to Sasha Vujacic for the Game Tying 3 opportunity?:oldlol: at the pathetic Bron groupies.
I am a Cavs fan, but there was more than 1 second, at leat three. Unless you find the video to prove it then you have no base.

OldSchoolBBall

02-06-2009, 10:22 PM

They seriously count game-winning shots for players even though the other team scores again and wins, or if the game-winning shot is actually only a game-tying shot? That's just crazy...

They don't.

1~Gibson~1

02-06-2009, 10:25 PM

They seriously count game-winning shots for players even though the other team scores again and wins, or if the game-winning shot is actually only a game-tying shot? That's just crazy...

no they dont :rolleyes:

this is an example of a GW shot: with 0.5 left At New Orleans (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3Bl2MvTsHs&feature=related)

1~Gibson~1

02-06-2009, 10:34 PM

Oh, like this...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2yzNQWFYko?FAIL
The URL contained a malformed video ID.

O this?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cojRLhW5FOc
:rolleyes:yez. that'z a game winner :hammerhead:

1~Gibson~1

02-06-2009, 10:39 PM

I know what a GW is. I've had Kobe on my time for the past decade.:applause:whatz your point

Lebron23

02-06-2009, 10:42 PM

I know what a GW is. I've had Kobe on my time for the past decade.:applause:

Kobe is Goat. 6 NBA Finals MVP

:applause: :applause: :applause:

Lebron23

02-06-2009, 10:46 PM

Yes, he is the G.O.A.T :applause:
Now work on your English boy.

You are a retard. :applause: :applause:

BigTicket

02-06-2009, 10:49 PM

He doesn't shoot in double coverage.
Can't shoot for ****? Is that why hes at 50% FG%, 90% FT, and 50% 3 Pt in the clutch?http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT11.HTM
The one who can't shoot is that clown lebrick-39 % from mid-range.:oldlol:

Your argument isnt even making any sense, but I'll give you one more chance, why does Kobe his only 25% of his gamewinner attempts and why does he only have one assist ?

I will also do you a favor and break it down for you real nice and simple, in 3 parts:

#1. Kobe always takes the shot himself (supported by the fact that he has more attempts than anyone else)

#2. Kobe never passes the ball in these situations (supported by the fact that he has only 1 assist)

#3. Kobe has very poor shot selection in these situations (supported by the fact that someone as skilled as he shoots only 25%)

It's not that I don't think he's a great player, I think he's the best scorer in the league. It's that like everyone else he has flaws, and one of those is shot selection in clutch situations.

1~Gibson~1

02-06-2009, 10:49 PM

At least I can speak and type English and don't form my sentences like a stupid child.His sentences look perfect to me. Actually, that's the reason it lookz weird. BECAUSE IT'S A COMPLETE SENTENCE.

Lebron23

02-06-2009, 10:50 PM

At least I can speak and type English and don't form my sentences like a stupid child.

http://www.sportsbettingindex.net/images/sports_01/PhilKobe.jpg

BigTicket

02-06-2009, 10:57 PM

1. Kobe having more attempts doesn't necessarily mean he always takes the shot in those situations you fool.

2. Wrong. I can show you plenty of examples of Kobe passing in those clutch situations.

3. Kobe is at 50% FG in the clutch. Sorry, but your complete lack of understanding correlation vs. causation is just dreadful. What a idiot.

So you still can't come up with a coherent explanation ?

Honestly why can't you just admit that Kobe isn't perfect ? Would that be so bad ? He has flaws just like any other player.

Lebron23

02-06-2009, 10:59 PM

I love how you always post these pics. Probably because you don't have the necessarily vocab and smarts to express yourself. How sad....:oldlol:

Because you are a F@got, and you created 10 or more accounts because you love to suck Kobe's Dick on ISH.

BigTicket

02-06-2009, 11:03 PM

When did I say Kobe is perfect?:confusedshrug: All I said is that Kobe is the best clutch player in the league(which is true).
And my explanation was certainly coherent. I'm sorry if you're having trouble understanding something so simple.

What explanation would that be ? All you did was deny my arguments, you didnt provide any explanation of your own.

So once again you get a chance, explain to me why Kobe shoots only 25% and has only 1 assist in gamewinning situation ?

Lebron23

02-06-2009, 11:03 PM

Absolutely horrific English. Good lord..:roll:

And you are a terrible poster. Good lord. I want to kick your ass right now.

BigTicket

02-06-2009, 11:13 PM

Read my posts again. You should probably consider going slowly.

See now you're just getting desperate, but I won't get caught up in your attempt to sidestep.

Just write out a simple explanation for why Kobe shoots only 25% and has only 1 assist, that's all I ask, but you can't do that can you ?

1~Gibson~1

02-06-2009, 11:17 PM

I'm getting desperate?How's that?:oldlol: My explanation is on the previous pages.
Kobe=most clutch player in the league.:rockon:yet he shoots 25%

1~Gibson~1

02-06-2009, 11:21 PM

Actually he shoots 50% FG%, 50% 3pT%, and 90% FT in the clutch as defined by 82games.com.
Just write out a simple explanation for why Kobe shoots only 25% and has only 1 assist, that's all I ask, but you can't do that can you ?...

BigTicket

02-06-2009, 11:25 PM

I'm getting desperate?How's that?:oldlol: My explanation is on the previous pages.
Kobe=most clutch player in the league.:rockon:

You're not helping your cause here with the emoticons, just making it ever clearer that you don't care about facts. You made up your mind that Kobe was the best and no amount of evidence to the contrary would matter, otherwise known as being in denial.

1~Gibson~1

02-06-2009, 11:26 PM

So clutch.:rockon:

Just write out a simple explanation for why Kobe shoots only 25% and has only 1 assist, that's all I ask, but you can't do that can you ? ...

BigTicket

02-06-2009, 11:26 PM

So clutch.:rockon:

Wow, thats a whole new level of sad, quoting yourself and using emoticons.

Diesel J

02-06-2009, 11:27 PM

Wow, thats a whole new level of sad, quoting yourself and using emoticons.

:oldlol:

1~Gibson~1

02-06-2009, 11:29 PM

Sad like the history of the Cavs? Stupid band wagoners.:roll:

inclinerator

02-06-2009, 11:32 PM

243354 ur not from los angeles! why are you rootin for kobe!?

1~Gibson~1

02-06-2009, 11:33 PM

243354 ur not from los angeles! why are you rootin for kobe!?:oldlol:

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