Baseball and Football players CAN'T be...

[Da_Realist]

Baseball and Football players CAN'T be the only ones juicing. Can they? I would like to think NBA players rely on different skill sets that wouldn't be enhanced by taking steroids.

But some part of me wonders if that's being incredibly naive. :ohwell:

[RaininThrees]

Baseball and Football players CAN'T be the only ones juicing. Can they? I would like to think NBA players rely on different skill sets that wouldn't be enhanced by taking steroids.

But some part of me wonders if that's being incredibly naive. :ohwell:

Incredibly naive. Leaping ability? That's a power thing, and power = strength x speed... increase either of those through steroids, and it's a benefit... What about post players? What do you hear about the best post players in the league? They're "big", "strong", "solid", etc. Steroids definitely would help you. In reality, the only sports that wouldn't be affected by steroids are endurance sports like cycling, marathons, triathalons, and they have their own host of other drugs problems... blood doping, EPO, etc.

[DuMa]

steroids also allow you to heal faster. in the NBA, rest is preciously needed after every game. im not a professional athlete but after a gameday, im sore like hell for the entire day. i cant imagine the pain on a back to back. so i imagine a small percentage in the nba must be juicing. it just hasnt been made public yet. theres no question in my mind every sport is tainted with steriods somehow.

one of these days, i hope steroids will be finally be unbanned. if it helps you perform better, and makes the sport better, then why not allow it? yes its considered illegal because the players of yesterday didnt depend on steroids. but i hate comparing today's sports and yesterday's. totally different eras and totally different technology. then theres the whole drugs debate. i really dont want to get into that.

[RaininThrees]

steroids also allow you to heal faster. in the NBA, rest is preciously needed after every game. im not a professional athlete but after a gameday, im sore like hell for the entire day. i cant imagine the pain on a back to back. so i imagine a small percentage in the nba must be juicing. it just hasnt been made public yet. theres no question in my mind every sport is tainted with steriods somehow.

one of these days, i hope steroids will be finally be unbanned. if it helps you perform better, and makes the sport better, then why not allow it? yes its considered illegal because the players of yesterday didnt depend on steroids. but i hate comparing today's sports and yesterday's. totally different eras and totally different technology. then theres the whole drugs debate. i really dont want to get into that.

It's the level playing field thing, and the ;egitimacy that sport is supposed to bring.

Also, abuse of steroids is very easy to succumb to, and is very detrimental to your health.

[OneMoreSucka]

You never see any guys in the NBA and think to yourself "man I bet he does steroids" like you do when you watch baseball/other sports. At least I don't, no one is really freakishly monstrous in basketball.

[WhySoInsecure?]

You never see any guys in the NBA and think to yourself "man I bet he does steroids" like you do when you watch baseball/other sports. At least I don't, no one is really freakishly monstrous in basketball.

http://images.askmen.com/specials/2007_top_49/men/alex_rodriguez.jpg


This guy looks like he's juicin?

[Da_Realist]

Does the NBA even have a drug policy that targets steroids? Baseball players are getting nabbed left and right. A-Rod test results from 2003 was just leaked.

Seems strange that throughout all this time, not a SINGLE BASKETBALL PLAYER has ever been associated with steroids. Either the NBA is really clean or it's looking the other way.

[OneMoreSucka]

http://images.askmen.com/specials/2007_top_49/men/alex_rodriguez.jpg


This guy looks like he's juicin?
No, because he didn't while a yankee. That was from his Rangers days. At any rate, there are a hell of a lot more examples than the most popular player in the bigs.

[Hammertime]

The problem with the steroids issue is the massive hypocrisy of the concept. You take a substance that increases your muscle gain, and you're juicing, yet on the other hand, I'm supposed to believe that it's normal that a guy will break his hand and be playing ball a month later?

It was eye-opening to see Alonzo playing after his return from the transplant. I can't remember exactly the issue, but I believe he wasn't allowed to take blood thinners or something like that because of his new kidney. When he got hurt, his body had to heal on its own. All of a sudden, the guy's taking twice as long as other guys to come back from a simple sprain. Then it hits you how skewed your perception of recovery time has become due to watching professional sports. A guy will sprain his ankle and play 3-4 days later. I sprain my ankle and I'm out for weeks. Yet that's not f*cking performance-enhancing somehow.

[Da_Realist]

The problem with the steroids issue is the massive hypocrisy of the concept. You take a substance that increases your muscle gain, and you're juicing, yet on the other hand, I'm supposed to believe that it's normal that a guy will break his hand and be playing ball a month later?

It was eye-opening to see Alonzo playing after his return from the transplant. I can't remember exactly the issue, but I believe he wasn't allowed to take blood thinners or something like that because of his new kidney. When he got hurt, his body had to heal on its own. All of a sudden, the guy's taking twice as long as other guys to come back from a simple sprain. Then it hits you how skewed your perception of recovery time has become due to watching professional sports. A guy will sprain his ankle and play 3-4 days later. I sprain my ankle and I'm out for weeks. Yet that's not f*cking performance-enhancing somehow.

Damn that's a good point. Never thought about that. I do remember in 88 when Isiah sprained his ankle against the Lakers, the Pistons hooked him up to some machine called the "electro" something. Some kind of machine that stimulated his muscles. I don't know what it did, but the point is I always felt like professional athletes had these sort of "next wave" tools to help them recover faster. Never really thought about steroids, though.

[RaininThrees]

The problem with the steroids issue is the massive hypocrisy of the concept. You take a substance that increases your muscle gain, and you're juicing, yet on the other hand, I'm supposed to believe that it's normal that a guy will break his hand and be playing ball a month later?

It was eye-opening to see Alonzo playing after his return from the transplant. I can't remember exactly the issue, but I believe he wasn't allowed to take blood thinners or something like that because of his new kidney. When he got hurt, his body had to heal on its own. All of a sudden, the guy's taking twice as long as other guys to come back from a simple sprain. Then it hits you how skewed your perception of recovery time has become due to watching professional sports. A guy will sprain his ankle and play 3-4 days later. I sprain my ankle and I'm out for weeks. Yet that's not f*cking performance-enhancing somehow.

Keep in mind you also don't have access to 24/7 trainers and therapists to work on your ankle 2 or 3 times per day. To use myself as an example, I played college-level sports and had access to trainers (though not on a pro-sports level), and the wonders a little daily treatment can do for you is amazing. Right now, if I sprain my ankle, it will take much longer to heal than when I had access to treatment.

[Hammertime]

Damn that's a good point. Never thought about that. I do remember in 88 when Isiah sprained his ankle against the Lakers, the Pistons hooked him up to some machine called the "electro" something. Some kind of machine that stimulated his muscles. I don't know what it does, but the point is I always felt like professional athletes had these sort of "next wave" tools to help them recover faster. Never really thought about steroids, though.

Best example: cortisone. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cortisone

It's a steroid. Chemical definition of it is that it's a steroid. You never hear it referred to as such, because of the stigma of that word. Yet it's used so much. A guy tweaks his muscle, they give him a shot of cortisone, and he plays through the pain. Case in point, a few weeks ago: http://www.sltrib.com/jazz/ci_11566864

Now, what's the difference between a steroid that makes your badly busted ankle feel like it's not so busted, and a steroid that makes you look like the Incredible Hulk?

[kentatm]

No, because he didn't while a yankee. That was from his Rangers days. At any rate, there are a hell of a lot more examples than the most popular player in the bigs.


WTF? He wasnt a big dude when he played for the Rangers either. Roids are not exclusively for turning yourself into a muscle bound monster.

[Myth]

You never see any guys in the NBA and think to yourself "man I bet he does steroids" like you do when you watch baseball/other sports. At least I don't, no one is really freakishly monstrous in basketball.

Really?

http://men.style.com/slideshows/mens/standalone/gq/feature/1106/athletes/00016f.jpg

[RaininThrees]

You never see any guys in the NBA and think to yourself "man I bet he does steroids" like you do when you watch baseball/other sports. At least I don't, no one is really freakishly monstrous in basketball.

So this guy isn't using steroids:

http://dimemag.com/wp-content/Images/players/Howard_Dwight/Dwight%20Howard%2037-2.jpg

But this guy is:

http://www.rotorob.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/Eric_Gagne.jpg

Ain't so cut and dry, my friend.

[macmac]

Well Hoffa used to take steroids but im not sure if he ever qualified as an NBA player

[detsportsfan3]

There'll be steroids in every sport one day, even nascar and curling

[dr.hee]

There'll be steroids in every sport one day, even nascar and curling

That's not too far fetched. For every sport, there are substances which can artificially increase your performance and I think it's naive to believe that the NBA is clean. They don't even test properly and the consequences for a positive test are simply ridiculous. My opinion is that there is extensive using of performance enhancing drugs in every professional sport, and basketball is not an exception.

Of course, there's no proof for that. But there are people actually believing that Usain Bolt was perfectly clean:rolleyes: On the other hand, I'm not sure if we should blame athletes for that. Most of them have nothing to rely on except their career. They have to succeed, because many of them have no proper education to rely on. So they are forced to do anything for their carreer.

[OneMoreSucka]

That's not too far fetched. For every sport, there are substances which can artificially increase your performance and I think it's naive to believe that the NBA is clean. They don't even test properly and the consequences for a positive test are simply ridiculous. My opinion is that there is extensive using of performance enhancing drugs in every professional sport, and basketball is not an exception.

Of course, there's no proof for that. But there are people actually believing that Usain Bolt was perfectly clean:rolleyes: On the other hand, I'm not sure if we should blame athletes for that. Most of them have nothing to rely on except their career. They have to succeed, because many of them have no proper education to rely on. So they are forced to do anything for their carreer.
If he wasn't, it would've come out in the news a long time ago.

[dr.hee]

If he wasn't, it would've come out in the news a long time ago.

Do you really believe that? Chambers,Gatlin,Jones...they were innoncent till proven guilty. You know I love basketball and kinda understand the players, but to me it's completely unrealistic to even consider that NBA players are clean.

And why should it come out? Hurts marketing...

[GiveItToBurrito]

So this guy isn't using steroids:

http://dimemag.com/wp-content/Images/players/Howard_Dwight/Dwight%20Howard%2037-2.jpg

But this guy is:

http://www.rotorob.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/Eric_Gagne.jpg

Ain't so cut and dry, my friend.

Dwight's a monster, but he's pretty lean; you can find guys who are six feet tall and more muscular who only take protein and eat well. Guys on steroids seem more inflated, if that's not too vague.

If you look at natural body builders, they never get that huge. 9 times out of 10, if someone looks like a cartoon character, they're usually juicing. The human body just isn't mean to get that incredibly bulky.

[OneMoreSucka]

If you look at natural body builders, they never get that huge. 9 times out of 10, if someone looks like a cartoon character, they're usually juicing. The human body just isn't mean to get that incredibly bulky.
That is incredibly not true. Body builders train much differently than athletes to get their body's the way they are. That and it's nearly impossible to enter a legit body building contest on steroids.

[stephanieg]

I'm under the impression that NBA players have been tested for all sorts of things and for quite a long time. Of course, it doesn't mean players aren't using things that don't show up on the test. I'm waiting for the FBI to find a giant HGH manufacturing facility under LeBron's mansion.

[OneMoreSucka]

I'm under the impression that NBA players have been tested for all sorts of things and for quite a long time. Of course, it doesn't mean players aren't using things that don't show up on the test. I'm waiting for the FBI to find a giant HGH manufacturing facility under LeBron's mansion.
The drug testing in the NBA is a joke. They test "randomly" like twice a year, and I guarantee more players smoke weed than take steroids, and I bet the superstars don't get tested whatsoever.

You'd think if Josh Howard was such a notorious stoner, it would've come up with a good old fashioned urinalysis.

[stephanieg]

You'd think if Josh Howard was such a notorious stoner, it would've come up with a good old fashioned urinalysis.

When he made his weed comments didn't he say he smoked off season? I may not remember correctly.

[OneMoreSucka]

When he made his weed comments didn't he say he smoked off season? I may not remember correctly.
He did, but the off season is the most important part! That's where you work on all the areas that are weak, and it would be ludicrous for the NBA to only test during the actual season. Either way the league never knew until Howard said it.

[RaininThrees]

You'd think if Josh Howard was such a notorious stoner, it would've come up with a good old fashioned urinalysis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whizzinator

[RaininThrees]

If you look at natural body builders, they never get that huge. 9 times out of 10, if someone looks like a cartoon character, they're usually juicing. The human body just isn't mean to get that incredibly bulky.

Not so....

http://www.liftforlife.com/kenyattawilson.htm

http://www.liftforlife.com/kenyatta%20muscular2.JPG


With proper nutrition and training, you can get your body to do lots of amazing things. The point of my post was to say don't generalize your statement to guys who "look" big or ripped.

[Da_Realist]

Why do we, as fans, care so much more about whether a baseball player is juicing as opposed to football, basketball, tennis, etc...? I still can't figure that out.

[joe]

Why do we, as fans, care so much more about whether a baseball player is juicing as opposed to football, basketball, tennis, etc...? I still can't figure that out.

Statistics are a coveted element of baseball history, moreso than any other sport. The person who watches baseball is at once a fan and historian. Steroids, then, not only serve to taint the current product but also wreak havic on the record books, which doubly serves as an attack on a fans love for the game.

[clayton]

Really?

http://men.style.com/slideshows/mens/standalone/gq/feature/1106/athletes/00016f.jpg
Haha with the fro, he looks like a f***ing monster.

[Hammertime]

Why do we, as fans, care so much more about whether a baseball player is juicing as opposed to football, basketball, tennis, etc...? I still can't figure that out.

It's the status of baseball as THE American sport.

[Da_Realist]

How upset would we really be with basketball players if we found out they used steroids? If you somehow found out MJ used steroids during his career, does that nullify anything? everything? Would he drop on your all-time list? If there was no evidence of Magic Johnson doing steroids but Jordan did, how would you view the two?

Baseball players are taking a POUNDING and I don't think it's fair. Wrestlers, football players and others are routinely caught with the juice but baseball players lose their whole careers because of it. What a double standard. :rolleyes:

[guy]

How upset would we really be with basketball players if we found out they used steroids? If you somehow found out MJ used steroids during his career, does that nullify anything? everything? Would he drop on your all-time list? If there was no evidence of Magic Johnson doing steroids but Jordan did, how would you view the two?

Baseball players are taking a POUNDING and I don't think it's fair. Wrestlers, football players and others are routinely caught with the juice but baseball players lose their whole careers because of it. What a double standard. :rolleyes:

I agree. Its amazing to me that baseball is under all this scrutiny, but wouldn't it make sense for other sports to be researched too? Lebron and Shaq are more freakish then anybody that has ever played baseball, and its kind of weird that no one has ever really suspected them of using steroids.