Lebron needs to slim down

[andgar923]

He's listed at 250 (so we'll assume he's really that) so he should slim down ten pounds.

Why?

He's not a post player first of all. So he really doesn't need to be that heavy.

He's naturally strong, even if he loses that weight, he'd still be stronger than almost every 2 and 3.

He'd be "quicker," and that's different than "faster." Sure he's quick now, but he'd be that much quicker.

But, the MAIN reason is..........

He'd improve his shot.

I think his shot isn't as good as it could be, because he's too strong. People may point out to Karl Malone and other big guys with a jumper, but they didn't shoot 3pt shots constantly and they didn't have his form.

I think his form would improve, and he'd improve his jumper without a doubt.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

apparently, his nose is too big.
apparently, that is why his outside shot is inconsistent.
:confusedshrug:

[andgar923]

I agree, but not on the main reason...

...the main reason he needs to slim down is knee/hip/ankle longevity.
Good point, I didn't even think about that.

[Sanity]

apparently, his nose is too big.
apparently, that is why his outside shot is inconsistent.
:confusedshrug:


http://www.math.vanderbilt.edu/~ugsem/pinocchio.PNG

[Indian guy]

He's actually 265 right now. I don't know why they still say he's 250. That's what he weighed a good 3 years ago. As far as his jumper being better with lesser weight is concerned; well, it wasn't better THEN when was lighter...so I don't think weight has much to do with how LeBron's shooting. I will agree on him losing a few pounds to help his quickness though. I don't understand why he has to weigh as much as he does.

[inclinerator]

actually reports are saying he is 235 lbs

[Juges8932]

There are tons of players whose weight need to be updated.

[Valliant13]

As long as your musculature doesn't limit your range of movement, and you don't gain so fast you don't have time to adjust, it's not going to hurt your shot.

[Mathius]

According to Lebron AND coaches, he didn't even hit the weights (i.e. weight training) until about 2 years ago, so what exactly would you like him to do to slim down, particularly given his low percentage of body fat.

Mathius

[andgar923]

@ posters mentioning his shot being off when he was lighter......

He was still young.

Most players don't really get a consistent shot till their 4th or 5th season.

Unless a player has a natural shot coming into the league.

So to say that "his shot wasn't good when he was lighter" is misleading.

I do feel the weight training affects his shot. And the fact that he changed his shot doesn't help either.

[Mathius]

@ posters mentioning his shot being off when he was lighter......

He was still young.

Most players don't really get a consistent shot till their 4th or 5th season.

Unless a player has a natural shot coming into the league.

So to say that "his shot wasn't good when he was lighter" is misleading.

I do feel the weight training affects his shot. And the fact that he changed his shot doesn't help either.

Wow. This world is so f*cked up. Guys that get paid to be shooting coaches like Chris Jent don't know what the hell they're doing, but you've got his problems all figured out. They should just hire you.

That's messed up.

:rolleyes:

Mathius

[Valliant13]

I wonder how heavy Q got at his heaviest?
He looked like Hillary clinton pear-@ss running around dragging that luggage @ss and treestump legs.:lol

The still have Zach Randolph listed at 210! I find that unlikely.

[Al Thornton]

The still have Zach Randolph listed at 210! I find that unlikely.

haha

[andgar923]

Wow. This world is so f*cked up. Guys that get paid to be shooting coaches like Chris Jent don't know what the hell they're doing, but you've got his problems all figured out. They should just hire you.

That's messed up.

:rolleyes:

Mathius

Yup, they should hire me.

Me >>>>>>Chris Jent

[Juges8932]

The still have Zach Randolph listed at 210! I find that unlikely.

IDK if you're kidding, but they have him listed at 260...

[lefthook00]

LeBron is NOT THAT BIG. He has big arms and shoulders, THATS IT. He has skinny legs, skinny torso, wide shoulders but narrow back, no lats what-so-ever.

[andgar923]

LeBron is NOT THAT BIG. He has big arms and shoulders, THATS IT. He has skinny legs, skinny torso, wide shoulders but narrow back, no lats what-so-ever.

Even more so.

[inclinerator]

LeBron is NOT THAT BIG. He has big arms and shoulders, THATS IT. He has skinny legs, skinny torso, wide shoulders but narrow back, no lats what-so-ever.
lol

[Fudge]

@ posters mentioning his shot being off when he was lighter......

He was still young.

Most players don't really get a consistent shot till their 4th or 5th season.

Unless a player has a natural shot coming into the league.

So to say that "his shot wasn't good when he was lighter" is misleading.

I do feel the weight training affects his shot. And the fact that he changed his shot doesn't help either.
You're retarded.

[andgar923]

You're retarded.

Cute.

[lefthook00]

You know why he weighs so much? Because he's F*CKING 6'9"!!! And I don't believe he weighs 265+. Do you know how much a f*cking lb of muscle is? Have you seen a 16oz steak before? Have you seen one before it's been cooked? Kobe weighs what, 220/225 lbs? Lets say 225 lbs. You think LeBron has 40 more steaks attached to his body? Think about it.

[Fudge]

Cute.
Mhm. This thread fails. Go die in a hole. Kthx.

[andgar923]

You know why he weighs so much? Because he's F*CKING 6'9"!!! And I don't believe he weighs 265+. Do you know how much a f*cking lb of muscle is? Have you seen a 16oz steak before? Have you seen one before it's been cooked? Kobe weighs what, 220/225 lbs? Lets say 225 lbs. You think LeBron has 40 more steaks attached to his body? Think about it.

Yeah... that makes sense.

[inclinerator]

he's 6'8 dont kid urself

[OneMoreSucka]

LeBron is NOT THAT BIG. He has big arms and shoulders, THATS IT. He has skinny legs, skinny torso, wide shoulders but narrow back, no lats what-so-ever.
You have no idea what you are talking about.

[Juges8932]

he's 6'8 dont kid urself

In shoes.

[andgar923]

LOL

I don't get why people are so offended by this?

Being 240 is not a bad thing.

And I do believe his strong upper body keeps him from having a better form.

Not saying he's a horrible shooter, I'm just saying it could be alot better if he slimmed down a bit.

But :dead: @ posters getting hurt.

[lefthook00]

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Show me one pic where he is relaxed or standing around that shows his "big wide back," his "big a$$ legs," or his "big ass torso."

Like I said, he has big, wide shoulders, big arms, has some good traps.

[twolvesfan]

10 pounds on lebrons frame isnt going to do anything

[Fudge]

LOL

I don't get why people are so offended by this?

Being 240 is not a bad thing.

And I do believe his strong upper body keeps him from having a better form.

Not saying he's a horrible shooter, I'm just saying it could be alot better if he slimmed down a bit.

But :dead: @ posters getting hurt.
?

Then he wouldn't have the penetration strength he has right now. His jumpshot's developing slowly but surely anyways. It's basically like Brandon Jacobs relying on his force/strength to get some yardage.

[inclinerator]

Show me one pic where he is relaxed or standing around that shows his "big wide back," his "big a$$ legs," or his "big ass torso."

Like I said, he has big, wide shoulders, big arms, has some good traps.
his arms aren't big his torso is wide

[VCMVP1551]

IDK if you're kidding, but they have him listed at 260...

They actually still had him at 210 last season.


You know why he weighs so much? Because he's F*CKING 6'9"!!! And I don't believe he weighs 265+. Do you know how much a f*cking lb of muscle is? Have you seen a 16oz steak before? Have you seen one before it's been cooked? Kobe weighs what, 220/225 lbs? Lets say 225 lbs. You think LeBron has 40 more steaks attached to his body? Think about it.

Kobe actually said last season that he was down to 200 and he's listed at 205. Remember he lost 15-20 pounds over the summer when he demanded the trade so he could be quicker and better defensively again? Plus Kobe looks A LOT thinner than Lebron and he's about 3 inches shorter.

but most importantly everyone carries weight differently. Some people weigh 20-30 pounds more or less than you'd think. It can especially tough to tell with people who have low body fat % like Lebron.

You do realize that at the 2003 pre-draft camp Lebron weighed in at 245 pounds? Do you remember what he looked like then?
http://s5.tinypic.com/sw5wlf.jpg

You don't think he could be 20 pounds heavier here?
http://s5.tinypic.com/21oannr.jpg

Then factor in that Lebron was measured 6'7" when he weighed 245 and now he's being reported at 6'9", I don't know if he's grown 2 inches in reality, but chances are he's grown a bit.

Lebron was already claiming to be 260 back in 2007. He's atleast that and most likely the 265 pound figure someone mentioned is correct.

[Stephen A Smith]

Only LeBron James could look like an NBA player coming right out of high school and then a couple years later look that much bigger. What a freak.

[Fudge]

They actually still had him at 210 last season.



Kobe actually said last season that he was down to 200 and he's listed at 205. Remember he lost 15-20 pounds over the summer when he demanded the trade so he could be quicker and better defensively again? Plus Kobe looks A LOT thinner than Lebron and he's about 3 inches shorter.

but most importantly everyone carries weight differently. Some people weigh 20-30 pounds more or less than you'd think. It can especially tough to tell with people who have low body fat % like Lebron.

You do realize that at the 2003 pre-draft camp Lebron weighed in at 245 pounds? Do you remember what he looked like then?
http://s5.tinypic.com/sw5wlf.jpg

You don't think he could be 20 pounds heavier here?
http://s5.tinypic.com/21oannr.jpg

Then factor in that Lebron was measured 6'7" when he weighed 245 and now he's being reported at 6'9", I don't know if he's grown 2 inches in reality, but chances are he's grown a bit.

Lebron was already claiming to be 260 back in 2007. He's atleast that and most likely the 265 pound figure someone mentioned is correct.
:roll:

[VCMVP1551]

:roll:

What are you laughing at kid?

[highwhey]

If LeBron turns into a bulimic, I will blame this thread.

[inclinerator]

http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/multimedia/photo_gallery/0902/gameaction0208/images/lakers1.jpg
http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/multimedia/photo_gallery/0901/allstar09.eastjerseys/images/lebron_jersey.jpg

lebron has bigger body more room for lbs

[andgar923]

?

Then he wouldn't have the penetration strength he has right now. His jumpshot's developing slowly but surely anyways. It's basically like Brandon Jacobs relying on his force/strength to get some yardage.

Penetration strength?

He'd still be bigger than almost every shooting guard and almost every forward (including power), but more importantly he'd be quicker and faster, a lil more elusive, even jump higher.

And for some of you that don't understand....

How many of you have lifted weights before and gained weight?

Almost every single person that's done so, doesn't have the same movement. Even if you don't really gain much mass, muscle still prevents from the usual mobility.

Somebody mentioned Kobe slimmed down.... is it any coincidence that he's shot better since then?

I mean... I seriously don't get it why some of you see this as a bad thing. A slimmer Bron would still be stronger than almost everybody, but now he'd be more agile and of course, more dangerous.

[andgar923]

If LeBron turns into a bulimic, I will blame this thread.

LOL

I know it was a joke, but for those idiots that can't differentiate. He doesn't have to vomit to lose weight, or take diet pills.

Just have a slightly different diet and change his off season routine a bit. One that emphasizes speed and agility along with strength.

I think even MJ changed his regimen at one point to lose weight. He came back leaner and better, but still strong.

Losing weight does not mean one becomes weak, specially when one is naturally strong.

And like some mentioned, it helps his body in the long run.

[inclinerator]

lebron at 30-35 was heavier and stronger

[Juges8932]

I don't believe Kobe is only 200 or even 205. He's not 3 inches shorter than LBJ. I'd bet the house that LBJ isn't close to 6'9 (Close being less than an inch). I can believe LBJ at 265, but he sure doesn't look 60 lbs heavier than Kobe IMO.

[OldSchoolBBall]

LeBron is NOT THAT BIG. He has big arms and shoulders, THATS IT. He has skinny legs, skinny torso, wide shoulders but narrow back, no lats what-so-ever.

Lebron has very big quads for an NBA player. Have you ever seen other perimeter players' quads? He's carrying a lot more weight on his legs than they are.

[VCMVP1551]

I don't believe Kobe is only 200 or even 205. He's not 3 inches shorter than LBJ. I'd bet the house that LBJ isn't close to 6'9 (Close being less than an inch). I can believe LBJ at 265, but he sure doesn't look 60 lbs heavier than Kobe IMO.

You don't believe me?

[QUOTE]Bryant is in stellar condition after dramatically altering his diet this summer when he felt bloated after a meal of pepperoni pizza and grape soda. He was about 215-220 pounds the past two NBA seasons and was 225-230 pounds in 2004-05.

"[B]I

[stephanieg]

Post some locker room pics or something. It's too difficult to tell with these super baggy jerseys they wear nowadays.

[daballa13]

Lebron trying to be like Brock.

http://images.chron.com/blogs/fantasyfootball/Brock_Lesnar_385734a.jpg

[inclinerator]

Post some locker room pics or something. It's too difficult to tell with these super baggy jerseys they wear nowadays.
before the game vs detriot on abc there was a video of lebron in the locker room, dude was shredded. (no homo)

[lefthook00]

Lebron has very big quads for an NBA player. Have you ever seen other perimeter players' quads? He's carrying a lot more weight on his legs than they are.

You're right he does have some pretty big thighs.

Think about it though guys. Remember when Shaq was 305lbs? Thats about 40 more lbs than "LeBron's weight." And you guys say Kobe is around 215lbs. Thats 50 lbs less than "LeBron's weight." The 40 lbs between Shaq and LeBron looks WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more than the 50 lbs between Kobe and LeBron.

[inclinerator]

shaq has like 5-6 inches on lebron of and in his rookie year he is like diop.
http://hk.geocities.com/miller_reggie04/capt_pacers_magic_shaq.jpg
lebron only has like 2-3 inches on kobe

[inclinerator]

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/PHO/AAGP027~Shaquille-O-Neal-Lebron-James-05-NBA-ALL-STAR-GAME-Posters.jpg from 05 when shaq was 330 lbs and lebron probably like 250

[schism206]

LOL

I know it was a joke, but for those idiots that can't differentiate. He doesn't have to vomit to lose weight, or take diet pills.

Just have a slightly different diet and change his off season routine a bit. One that emphasizes speed and agility along with strength.

I think even MJ changed his regimen at one point to lose weight. He came back leaner and better, but still strong.

Losing weight does not mean one becomes weak, specially when one is naturally strong.

And like some mentioned, it helps his body in the long run.

Dennis Rodman said he made sure he never got too big. He wanted more agility and quickness and he felt it gave him more of an advantage instead of being overly strong. I can understand what your saying, being a little bit quicker overall, especially for james would be more helpful because the dude is already an f'n house.

[VCMVP1551]

Kobe is very thin now. He's very strong and in incredible shape, but he's thin and 200 pounds like he claimed or 205 pounds like he's listed is probably right. Somewhere in that range.

http://s5.tinypic.com/28gz4n4.jpg
http://s5.tinypic.com/2rhb48i.jpg

Besides the weights given for those other seasons in the article make sense as well when you compare them to eachother. Once again, everyone carries weight differently.

He was 215-220 during the 2005-2006 and 2006-2007 seasons. Compare him to then, he's defintley thinner.

[DCL]

and-1 fouls are like feather touches to lebron when he's training into the paint. he's already quick enough. being lighter won't add that much quickness, but that strength he has over everyone at his position and lower is ridiculous. lebron has some things to work on, but losing weight definitely isn't one of them.

[InspiredLebowski]

I want to see a picture of LBJ's dad, seriously. His mom looks like an average lady. Like Mathius said, I've read the statements about him barely touching a weight until the last couple years and even then it's not to actually gain muscle, just maintain. Talk about winning the genetic lottery.

[Juges8932]

You don't believe me?



http://www.ocregister.com/sports/bryant-lakers-team-1781435-situation-way

And the difference between Lebron and Kobe is atleast close to 3 inches in height.

Kobe isn't even 6'5" He admitted he was 6'4" and his wife said she measured him at 6'4 3/4".



http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/24/sports/basketball/24cheer.html?_r=3&n=Top/Reference/Times%20Topics/People/B/Bryant,%20Kobe&pagewanted=all&oref=slogin



http://www.ocregister.com/sports/kobe-bryant-make-1956078-a-wish


So while Lebron is no 6'9", it doesn't matter because Kobe isn't 6'6" either.

I know, Kobe stated 6'4.75" saying his wife measured him. And it's not that I don't believe you, it was more of me just thinking at his height he looked bigger than 200 or 205. And yeah, I think LBJ is more 6'7-6'8 range, just doesn't look 3+ inches taller than Kobe, nor 60 lbs heavier IMO.

[VCMVP1551]

I know, Kobe stated 6'4.75" saying his wife measured him. And it's not that I don't believe you, it was more of me just thinking at his height he looked bigger than 200 or 205. And yeah, I think LBJ is more 6'7-6'8 range, just doesn't look 3+ inches taller than Kobe, nor 60 lbs heavier IMO.

Maybe Lebron never grew past his measurement of 6-7 1/4 at the pre-draft camp, who knows?

Kobe can look bigger, but compare him to when he was 225-230 in '04-05 or 215-220 in '05-06 and '06-07. It's also true that people with lean muscle and low body fat % often look bigger than they are.

[Juges8932]

Maybe Lebron never grew past his measurement of 6-7 1/4 at the pre-draft camp, who knows?

Kobe can look bigger, but compare him to when he was 225-230 in '04-05 or 215-220 in '05-06 and '06-07. It's also true that people with lean muscle and low body fat % often look bigger than they are.

Yeah, that's true. I knew he was up in the 220s in mid 2000s, so I just assumed he was still around there, because NBA.com blows at updating weights from what I have seen most of the time.

[VCMVP1551]

Yeah, that's true. I knew he was up in the 220s in mid 2000s, so I just assumed he was still around there, because NBA.com blows at updating weights from what I have seen most of the time.

Yeah, they still had Shaq at 315 I believe back in 2001-2002 and later that year he weighed 382 before the playoffs. :oldlol: I doubt anyone buys that Eddy Curry is just 285 either, more like 340-350. The worst was that Zach Randolph was listed at 210 as someone mentioned just last season. :roll:

Kobe I think bulked up in 2002 or 2003. If you look at his size now it does look very similar to his size when he was younger(1998-2001), but he's in far better shape now than he was then.

[Juges8932]

Yeah, they still had Shaq at 315 I believe back in 2001-2002 and later that year he weighed 382 before the playoffs. :oldlol: I doubt anyone buys that Eddy Curry is just 285 either, more like 340-350. The worst was that Zach Randolph was listed at 210 as someone mentioned just last season. :roll:

Kobe I think bulked up in 2002 or 2003. If you look at his size now it does look very similar to his size when he was younger(1998-2001), but he's in far better shape now than he was then.

Yeah, no kidding. I remember seeing Shaq listed and that and wondering how the hell that was possible lol. Yeah, the Randolph one is absurd.

Yeah, he looks similar, just a little more bulky. He was skinny in his younger days, pre-2000s.

[VCMVP1551]

Yeah, no kidding. I remember seeing Shaq listed and that and wondering how the hell that was possible lol. Yeah, the Randolph one is absurd.

Yeah, he looks similar, just a little more bulky. He was skinny in his younger days, pre-2000s.

He defintley has more muscle than he did pre-2000's, but his body fat is most likely lower due to his much better diet and stricter workouts. He did look like a skinny kid in his early years, now he just looks slim but in excellent shape. He said he's the lightest he's been since 1998 so I am a bit surprised that he's lighter than he was during those first 2 championships. Maybe the little afro from that era is the reason.

I know people hate the comparison but size is another area where the comparison to Michael Jordan is shockingly close. Jordan was also just under 6'5" and he entered the league at 196, he was listed at 200 and then 216 for years, and he eventually bulked up to 232 with Washington.

I think they're very similar because their strength can be deceptive. Kobe posts up players much bigger than him, even Lebron. Jordan also was wiry strong like that and it was a key to his post game. I remember hearing one year that he'd bench 300 pounds with ease, but in street clothes some might think either Kobe or Jordan were just tall skinny guys.

[eeeeeebro]

You're retarded.
your even more retarded

[Godfather]

:oldlol:

Is this a joke?

No seriously is this a joke?

[Mathius]

How many of you have lifted weights before and gained weight?

Almost every single person that's done so, doesn't have the same movement. Even if you don't really gain much mass, muscle still prevents from the usual mobility.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. :roll:

Mathius

[Maniak]

This thread is...

Uhhh.....

Well it made Mathius laugh at something that wasnt a puppy dying, so theres got to be something wrong with this....

[InLebronWeTrust]

Yeah LeBron.. you're only setting records every season, trim down a bit. I mean with your weight now.. you are dominant in one on one situations. No one can stop you when you're in the air, so yeah definitely lose some weight. Pointless thread, this needs ended.

[Fudge]

Penetration strength?

He'd still be bigger than almost every shooting guard and almost every forward (including power), but more importantly he'd be quicker and faster, a lil more elusive, even jump higher.
Do you not watch LeBron play or? Look at how quick his movement is already. For a man of his size, at what? 260+ lbs? His strength/force is what keeps him in tact as one of, if not the best players in the league, and losing some of his tone, would drop him a level or two imo. His jumping ability shouldn't be in the conversation. The man has the image of a ****ing Center, and can outrun guards on fast breaks and on lucky nights, get a beastly block. Vice-versa, still, no one (has the strength or speed/quickness) can catch up to him on a fast break. The dude can ****ing kiss the rim on a open dunk already. Quickness and jumping ability, pft. Gimme a ****in break.


What are you laughing at kid?
Right, cause im the "kid" that gets into deep discussion about the accurate height/weight of a certain player. Like, who the **** cares. Go enjoy the ourdoors or something.

[VCMVP1551]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. :roll:

Mathius

:wtf: You felt the need to sign your name just after typing HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA?


Right, cause im the "kid" that gets into deep discussion about the accurate height/weight of a certain player. Like, who the **** cares. Go enjoy the ourdoors or something.

First of all I've only discussed this in the past year or so when others have brought it up first, like in this thread.

I would go outdoors too if I wasn't sick with a flu for the past week. You seem to be implying that I spend all my time here when I haven't posted that much since the last nba season ended. You know I find it funny that you feel the need to respond to everyone of my posts, but then again you're just a little kid who isn't even old to buy a pack of cigarettes. You'll learn in a few years that you're not nearly as smart as you think you are.

[Riker]

James is at least 270.

And I am highly suspect of him being Barry Bonds. If you look at his high school pics and this now...60 pounds of pure muscle?

Seriously?


Even some heavy James homer on this site posted article how James said his only diet is regular foods, oatmeal, meat, blah blah blah

Now that's blatant lying right there.

[VCMVP1551]

James is at least 270.

And I am highly suspect of him being Barry Bonds. If you look at his high school pics and this now...60 pounds of pure muscle?

Seriously?


Even some heavy James homer on this site posted article how James said his only diet is regular foods, oatmeal, meat, blah blah blah

Now that's blatant lying right there.

Lebron was 245 at 18 at the 2003 pre-draft camp. If we assume that the 274 pound report is correct then that's 29 pounds of muscle in 5-6 years from age 18 to 24. That's not that hard to believe especially since he's bulked up pretty slowly and gradually to the point where nobody really noticed a big difference from his rookie year until 2007.

[Riker]

Lebron was 245 at 18 at the 2003 pre-draft camp. If we assume that the 274 pound report is correct then that's 29 pounds of muscle in 5-6 years from age 18 to 24. That's not that hard to believe especially since he's bulked up pretty slowly and gradually to the point where nobody really noticed a big difference from his rookie year until 2007.

Hmmm..OK...but still man

This
http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2006/highschool/10/20/top.10.athletes/p1_lebron.jpg

to this
http://www.index.hr/images2/lebron_james_afp7.jpg

[VCMVP1551]

Hmmm..OK...but still man

This
http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2006/highschool/10/20/top.10.athletes/p1_lebron.jpg

to this
http://www.index.hr/images2/lebron_james_afp7.jpg

Yeah, but that's 5-6 years. A lot of people bulk up naturally from 17-18 to 24. Then factor in that Lebron just started lifting weights 2-3 years ago.

[Fudge]

First of all I've only discussed this in the past year or so when others have brought it up first, like in this thread.

I would go outdoors too if I wasn't sick with a flu for the past week. You seem to be implying that I spend all my time here when I haven't posted that much since the last nba season ended. You know I find it funny that you feel the need to respond to everyone of my posts, but then again you're just a little kid who isn't even old to buy a pack of cigarettes. You'll learn in a few years that you're not nearly as smart as you think you are.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

Oh, stop.

[lefthook00]

LeBron starting to lift 2-3 years ago is BULLSH*T!!!! He played High School FOOTBALL!!!!

[VCMVP1551]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Oh, stop.

Kids. :oldlol:

[Smokee]

How do you all get the idea that slimming down means a better shot? :lol

Zach Randolph is one of the best short range shooters and he's fat.

Lebron is fine. All of that bulk makes him a tank, and people have to move out of his way, not him out of theirs. He also creates space, and it helps his crab dribble.

[Fudge]

Kids. :oldlol:
Dude, look at your username and title - maybe have a second thought on who the **** the "kid" is.

I mean, come on, you're an adult no? :oldlol:

[VCMVP1551]

Dude, look at your username and title - maybe have a second thought on who the **** the "kid" is.

I mean, come on, you're an adult no? :oldlol:

I'm 21 and I'll be 22 in June. I've worked full time doing Carpentry for quite a while now which is more than you can say. How old are you again? 16, 17? Like I said legally you can't even buy a pack of cigarettes and you can barely drive.

What's Fudge short for? Fudge Packer? That'd fit pretty well.

How's T-Mac's season going by the way?

[SRZ66]

everytime i hear a report, lebron gets taller and weighs more. he is 6'8 250 at the most. no way he's even close to weighing as much as guys like ben wallace or karl malone. he is not very big at all, just compared to most lanky bball players. next year during games they're gonna be saying "you just can't guard a guy that is 6'10 300lbs on a fastbreak running at you full speed"

[VCMVP1551]

everytime i hear a report, lebron gets taller and weighs more. he is 6'8 250 at the most. no way he's even close to weighing as much as guys like ben wallace or karl malone. he is not very big at all, just compared to most lanky bball players. next year during games they're gonna be saying "you just can't guard a guy that is 6'10 300lbs on a fastbreak running at you full speed"

Once again Lebron weighed 245 pounds at the 2003 pre-draft camp.

This is what he looked like then
http://s5.tinypic.com/sw5wlf.jpg

You only think he's 5 pounds heavier here?
http://s5.tinypic.com/21oannr.jpg

Come on. He's no less than 260.

[KenneBell]

LeBron's weight is mostly in his in lower body compared to guys like Malone or Wallace.

[Lebron23]

LeBron already said that's not using Steroids.

[Fudge]

I'm 21 and I'll be 22 in June. I've worked full time doing Carpentry for quite a while now which is more than you can say. How old are you again? 16, 17? Like I said legally you can't even buy a pack of cigarettes and you can barely drive.
:oldlol:

Epic.

I don't want an essay on your employment status you nimrod, like i give a flying ****.


What's Fudge short for? Fudge Packer? That'd fit pretty well.
Classic. :oldlol:


How's T-Mac's season going by the way?
Not too well is the obvious answer. :confusedshrug:

Pack your bags though, Jersey. Wince is calling outties.

[VCMVP1551]

:oldlol:

Epic.

Epic? What a f*cking nerd. Go get laid you pathetic virgin.


I don't want an essay on your employment status you nimrod, like i give a flying ****.

Well if you're going to comeback with who is the kid between us then me having a full time job and being 5-6 years older than you minimum would make the obvious answer you.


Pack your bags though, Jersey. Wince is calling outties.

Wince. :oldlol: That's funny. Did you realize since arriving in New Jersey in 2004 that Vince had missed a grand total of 10 games and somehow you call him Wince? Not many players have been that durable. Not to mention that VC played through a bad ankle that needed surgery and put it off until the offseason despite playing on a bad team. By the way you know what the Nets record has been in the 10 games Vince has missed in his 5 seasons with New Jersey? 0-10.

So Vince has missed 10 games in 5 seasons with New Jersey and your favorite player T-Mac has missed 84 games in the same amount of time with Houston. :oldlol: Calling one of the most durable players in the league Wince is pretty funny.

[bence23]

You know why he weighs so much? Because he's F*CKING 6'9"!!! And I don't believe he weighs 265+. Do you know how much a f*cking lb of muscle is? Have you seen a 16oz steak before? Have you seen one before it's been cooked? Kobe weighs what, 220/225 lbs? Lets say 225 lbs. You think LeBron has 40 more steaks attached to his body? Think about it.
Stupidest **** I ever read

[andgar923]

Somewhere along the line, this thread became mainly about his weight, which was not my main intention.

By slimming down I specifically pointed out how his muscles probably impacted his shooting motion.

FACT is, muscles tend to limit mobility, extension and flexibility, which is why Bron isn't as consistent as he could be. By no means am I saying he's not a capable shooter, not at all. I'm only suggesting that he could be a "better" shooter.

Somehow suggesting Bron can "improve" has become a ludicrous belief.

Some of you even ridiculed my suggestion that muscles limit flexibility, well for those of you that laughed at that:

http://books.google.com/books?id=3pPAWd1PW2sC&pg=PA128&lpg=PA128&dq=muscles+limit+flexibility&source=web&ots=6ltKLmtLXh&sig=cDUwR7fQda5aVJkUrNrkRj_zpU4&hl=en&ei=chyZSYj2FInOtQOA3P1z&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=6&ct=result

And....


2.2 - Factors Limiting Flexibility

According to Gummerson, flexibility (he uses the term "mobility") is
affected by the following factors:

Muscle mass can be a factor when the muscle is so heavily developed that it
interferes with the ability to take the adjacent joints through their
complete range of motion (for example, large hamstrings limit the ability
to fully bend the knees).

Just to cite a few sources.

[Fudge]

Epic? What a f*cking nerd. Go get laid you pathetic virgin.
Haha oh god. :oldlol:




Well if you're going to comeback with who is the kid between us then me having a full time job and being 5-6 years older than you minimum would make the obvious answer you.
Right... :confusedshrug:


Wince. :oldlol: That's funny. Did you realize since arriving in New Jersey in 2004 that Vince had missed a grand total of 10 games and somehow you call him Wince? Not many players have been that durable. Not to mention that VC played through a bad ankle that needed surgery and put it off until the offseason despite playing on a bad team. By the way you know what the Nets record has been in the 10 games Vince has missed in his 5 seasons with New Jersey? 0-10.

So Vince has missed 10 games in 5 seasons with New Jersey and your favorite player T-Mac has missed 84 games in the same amount of time with Houston. :oldlol: Calling one of the most durable players in the league Wince is pretty funny.
I'm way too lazy to read. It's probably you talking out of your ass again anyways. What's new. :oldlol: Just, please stop. For the sake of the english language.

[Smokee]

Somewhere along the line, this thread became mainly about his weight, which was not my main intention.

By slimming down I specifically pointed out how his muscles probably impacted his shooting motion.

FACT is, muscles tend to limit mobility, extension and flexibility, which is why Bron isn't as consistent as he could be. By no means am I saying he's not a capable shooter, not at all. I'm only suggesting that he could be a "better" shooter.

Somehow suggesting Bron can "improve" has become a ludicrous belief.

Some of you even ridiculed my suggestion that muscles limit flexibility, well for those of you that laughed at that:

http://books.google.com/books?id=3pPAWd1PW2sC&pg=PA128&lpg=PA128&dq=muscles+limit+flexibility&source=web&ots=6ltKLmtLXh&sig=cDUwR7fQda5aVJkUrNrkRj_zpU4&hl=en&ei=chyZSYj2FInOtQOA3P1z&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=6&ct=result

And....



Just to cite a few sources.


I just do not believe in crap like this. Meh.

To me what works, works. You grow up all your life and get a feel for a shot, some have that touch better than others. Curry, Randolph do quite well for themself being fat but having as good short jumper game as anyone.

[Smokee]

That VC fgt is a moron. He talks out of his ass so much its crazy people take him seriously here :rolleyes:

[andgar923]

I just do not believe in crap like this. Meh.

To me what works, works. You grow up all your life and get a feel for a shot, some have that touch better than others. Curry, Randolph do quite well for themself being fat but having as good short jumper game as anyone.

Smh

Which part of of this aint as much about weight, but instead more about muscles don't you understand?

And how can you not believe in this "crap" when I just provided scientific evidence of muscle limiting one's flexibility?

Fat and weight do not = the same thing

Specially in the upper body.

And again.... for the quadrillionth time.

WHAT'S WRONG WITH "IMPROVING" ONE'S SHOT?

Or anything for that matter?

I mean.... the whole notion of "what works works" is what keeps most players from improving.

[Smokee]

Smh

Which part of of this aint as much about weight, but instead more about muscles don't you understand?

And how can you not believe in this "crap" when I just provided scientific evidence of muscle limiting one's flexibility?

Fat and weight do not = the same thing

Specially in the upper body.

And again.... for the quadrillionth time.

WHAT'S WRONG WITH "IMPROVING" ONE'S SHOT?

Or anything for that matter?

I mean.... the whole notion of "what works works" is what keeps most players from improving.


Because shooting a shot is about muscle memory and hand-eye coordination. You can always improve on a shot, its called practice. You don't need to lose weight or get fit to be able to shoot well, or even better. How is what you linked me a proven fact?

Marion has one of the ugliest unorthodox shots in the NBA, and still shoots it better than many who have textbook strokes.

I just don't understand stuff like this, when if you actually go out onto the courts and start shooting, you'll realize weight has the littlest to do with making it or not, more than your muscle memory and hand-eye coordination.

If i wanted to improve my shot i'd just practice it. Losing weight and trying to gain flexibility would be the last thing i'd think of :ohwell:

[Mathius]

2.2 - Factors Limiting Flexibility

According to Gummerson, flexibility (he uses the term "mobility") is
affected by the following factors:

Muscle mass can be a factor when the muscle is so heavily developed that it
interferes with the ability to take the adjacent joints through their
complete range of motion (for example, large hamstrings limit the ability
to fully bend the knees).

It's fun to read.

Mathius

[andgar923]

Because shooting a shot is about muscle memory and hand-eye coordination. You can always improve on a shot, its called practice. You don't need to lose weight or get fit to be able to shoot well, or even better. How is what you linked me a proven fact?

Marion has one of the ugliest unorthodox shots in the NBA, and still shoots it better than many who have textbook strokes.

I just don't understand stuff like this, when if you actually go out onto the courts and start shooting, you'll realize weight has the littlest to do with making it or not, more than your muscle memory and hand-eye coordination.

If i wanted to improve my shot i'd just practice it. Losing weight and trying to gain flexibility would be the last thing i'd think of :ohwell:

LOL

Again..... you have a reading comprehension.

Nvd

[Smokee]

LOL

Again..... you have a reading comprehension.

Nvd


Nah i read it. I just don't think Zach or Curry taking a shot feels much different from Kobe or Barbosa. All of this scientific mumbo jumbo is stupid imo, when the bottom line is if you want to improve your shot you practice it. Not lose weight according to some science geek :rolleyes:

YEah if you wanted to improve cardio, shape, etc. you'd lose weight, but i see 0 relevance to it improving a players shot. Screw some authority, go out on the court, start taking shots, and see how much your weight affects it. If its some super fat jelly rolled fatso then sure. But for most people losing weight to improve a shot is stupid as hell.

[andgar923]

Nah i read it. I just don't think Zach or Curry taking a shot feels much different from Kobe or Barbosa. All of this scientific mumbo jumbo is stupid imo, when the bottom line is if you want to improve your shot you practice it. Not lose weight according to some science geek :rolleyes:

YEah if you wanted to improve cardio, shape, etc. you'd lose weight, but i see 0 relevance to it improving a players shot. Screw some authority, go out on the court, start taking shots, and see how much your weight affects it. If its some super fat jelly rolled fatso then sure. But for most people losing weight to improve a shot is stupid as hell.

LOL

I lose for debating with a 14 year old.

nvd

[bdreason]

I thought Brandon Roy had the best game.

[Smokee]

LOL

I lose for debating with a 14 year old.

nvd

You lose for assuming some science guy is more correct than your own common sense.

I'm guessing you've never played basketball in your life to really have believed that :confusedshrug:

[andgar923]

You lose for assuming some science guy is more correct than your own common sense.

I'm guessing you've never played basketball in your life to really have believed that :confusedshrug:

Actually....

I played basketball for most of my life and I also used to work out.

And I also trust experts and science more than a random 14 year old, along with my own experience as well as NBA players that slimmed down and saw their efficiency increase.

[FindingTim]

The thread title says it all. no debate necessary.

[Smokee]

Actually....

I played basketball for most of my life and I also used to work out.

And I also trust experts and science more than a random 14 year old, along with my own experience as well as NBA players that slimmed down and saw their efficiency increase.


lmao. Learn to think for yourself than assume some authority is always correct, when losing weight has little to no relevance or practicality to improving a shot. Only a ignorant dumbass would pretend to tell somebody to lose weight if they wanted to improve their shot :rolleyes:

Its funny you call me 14, when you can't even seem to think for yourself, and have even a little bit of common sense. Playing NBA live on Xbox isn't the same thing as going out there and shooting jackass :pimp:

[andgar923]

lmao. Learn to think for yourself than assume some authority is always correct, when losing weight has little to no relevance or practicality to improving a shot. Only a ignorant dumbass would pretend to tell somebody to lose weight if they wanted to improve their shot :rolleyes:

Its funny you call me 14, when you can't even seem to think for yourself, and have even a little bit of common sense. Playing NBA live on Xbox isn't the same thing as going out there and shooting jackass :pimp:

LOL

Why even bother

[VCMVP1551]

I'm way too lazy to read. It's probably you talking out of your ass again anyways. What's new. :oldlol: Just, please stop. For the sake of the english language.

By talking out of my ass, do you mean stating the fact that Vince has only missed 10 games in five seasons with the Nets? Or do you mean by stating more facts such as T-Mac missing 84 games in 5 seasons with Houston and New Jersey being 0-10 these past 5 years when Vince hasn't played?

Stating facts is talking out of your ass? We both know that you read what I typed and didn't have an answer, as usual. But this time you couldn't even pretend you had an argument. :oldlol:

if that "For the sake of the English Language" comment was a shot at my spelling or grammar then that's really funny. I'm good in both areas, but that's irrelevant anyway. I guess that was your last attempt. I hope you finally realize that you're not nearly as smart as you think you are.


That VC fgt is a moron. He talks out of his ass so much its crazy people take him seriously here :rolleyes:

Still p*ssed that I've embarrassed you in several threads huh? Not only did are you the brick bank guy, but aren't you also the same guy who was calling other posters slant eyes? :oldlol: You're a f*cking moron, everyone knows it. Yes most people do take me seriously as you mentioned, almost nobody takes you seriously and there's a reason for that.

http://thirdquartercollapse.com/images/admin/20080305HedoHangingJumper_FernandoMedinaNBAEGetty. jpg

+

http://www.leebrickandblock.com/images/Kentucky%20Home%20Bank%20in%20Bardstown,%20KY.jpg

=

Gamewinner?:roll:

[Fudge]

By talking out of my ass, do you mean stating the fact that Vince has only missed 10 games in five seasons with the Nets? Or do you mean by stating more facts such as T-Mac missing 84 games in 5 seasons with Houston and New Jersey being 0-10 these past 5 years when Vince hasn't played?
Oh, no. By "talking out of your ass", i meant you spew out garbage that nobody even gives a rats ass about. I don't need a rough essay on his whole seasonal record. And I referred to him as 'Wince' cause it sounds funny, and it was the "trend" a while ago. Don't get too explicit on me now with stats, since those are the only "facts" you can basically discuss. :oldlol:



Stating facts is talking out of your ass? We both know that you read what I typed and didn't have an answer, as usual. But this time you couldn't even pretend you had an argument.
:oldlol:

How can i argue against your so called "facts"? Or just facts in general. Much less statistics? You dolt.


if that "For the sake of the English Language" comment was a shot at my spelling or grammar then that's really funny. I'm good in both areas, but that's irrelevant anyway. I guess that was your last attempt. I hope you finally realize that you're not nearly as smart as you think you are.
You're good in both areas? Ha ha, now thats comedy.

I don't think i'm smart at all. I've been held back some years in my school career actually, and im not embarrassed at all to admit it (laugh, cause i grin all the time after i think about, and thats some ammo for you too, cuz it's a fact that you can actually "dog" me about, try it) but that doesn't take away the fact that you spew out complete and utter trash.

:roll:

Oh, i've warned you man. Just stop, please. The holes just getting deeper my friend. :oldlol:

[VCMVP1551]

Oh, no. By "talking out of your ass", i meant you spew out garbage that nobody even gives a rats ass about. I don't need a rough essay on his whole seasonal record. And I referred to him as 'Wince' cause it sounds funny, and it was the "trend" a while ago. Don't get too explicit on me now with stats, since those are the only "facts" you can basically discuss. :oldlol:

So you say things that don't make sense because they sound funny they're trendy? :oldlol: F*cking loser.


:oldlol:

How can i argue against your so called "facts"? Or just facts in general. Much less statistics? You dolt.

You can't argue with facts is the obvious answer.



You're good in both areas? Ha ha, now thats comedy.

Since when are facts comedy? :confusedshrug:


I don't think i'm smart at all. I've been held back some years in my school career actually, and im not embarrassed at all to admit it (laugh, cause i grin all the time after i think about, and thats some ammo for you too, cuz it's a fact that you can actually "dog" me about, try it) but that doesn't take away the fact that you spew out complete and utter trash.

:oldlol: :roll: :oldlol: So you get held back more than once and you're not even smart enough to quit? What are you still holding on to hope that you'll finish school one day and get a good job? :oldlol: That's pathetic. Quit before you waste more of your time and go work at Seven Eleven where you belong.


Oh, i've warned you man. Just stop, please. The holes just getting deeper my friend. :oldlol:

You warned me?! Oh man, you've warned me, I better stop. :roll:

[Godfather]

That VC fgt is a moron. He talks out of his ass so much its crazy people take him seriously here :rolleyes:

What was that "brickbank"?

Don't get pissy because someone disagrees with you.

Can't believe this thread has gotten so many replies...I thought it was established on the first page this claim lacks any real logic.

[Smokee]

lmao. The 2 biggest morons who are the most guilty of not watching the **** they pretend to talk about post back to back. This thread is officially over unless people want to argue with retards that don't know wtf their talking about.

The End :pimp:

[Biddy77]

LeBron doesn't need to lose any weight. he's durable, and his current size is a huge advantage against defenders--even though he's not a post player.

i don't see how anyone in their right mind could look at a guy having the season he's having and say he "needs to _____" (fill in the blank).

the strongest possible ways to weigh the end of that statement, for the sake of adding gravity/punch to it, would be to end it with:

1. "....if he wants to win a championship."
2. "....if he's ever going to be considered a top player in the league."
3. "....if he's ever going to be considered a top player in league history."

and none of those statements would be true. championships are very hard to predict, but he's obviously one of the best (and most valuable) players in the NBA *right now*, and he's on pace to be a top SF of all time.

[Godfather]

LeBron doesn't need to lose any weight. he's durable, and his current size is a huge advantage against defenders--even though he's not a post player.

i don't see how anyone in their right mind could look at a guy having the season he's having and say he "needs to _____" (fill in the blank).

the strongest possible ways to weigh the end of that statement, for the sake of adding gravity/punch to it, would be to end it with:

1. "....if he wants to win a championship."
2. "....if he's ever going to be considered a top player in the league."
3. "....if he's ever going to be considered a top player in league history."

and none of those statements would be true. championships are very hard to predict, but he's obviously one of the best (and most valuable) players in the NBA *right now*, and he's on pace to be a top SF of all time.
:applause:

The bolded statement is my thought exactly.

[Fudge]

So you say things that don't make sense because they sound funny they're trendy? :oldlol: F*cking loser.
Fit's perfectly with his name. I mean if it offends you that much, then i'm deeply sorry. Forgive me.


You can't argue with facts is the obvious answer.
Yeah, um that's what i just kinda said you retard. :oldlol: Fact's are facts and you giving statistics shouldn't even be an argument you ****ing imbecile. :oldlol:




Since when are facts comedy? :confusedshrug:
When those "facts" you say aren't true or even close to be whatsoever. :roll:




So you get held back more than once and you're not even smart enough to quit? What are you still holding on to hope that you'll finish school one day and get a good job? :oldlol: That's pathetic. Quit before you waste more of your time and go work at Seven Eleven where you belong.
To quit what? To quit bagging on you? Of course not, i mean, it's mainly just for fun actually -- dogging on someone (specifically someone who's supposedly an adult still stuck in his ****ing childhood :oldlol:).

Seven Eleven? What a knockout.




You warned me?! Oh man, you've warned me, I better stop. :roll:
:confusedshrug: Just told you to stop? Your losing your credibility, well I mean its not like you had any to begin with, but yeah, just a heads up. But keep going if you wish, pure entertainment at its ****ing highest peak. :oldlol:

[VCMVP1551]

Yeah, um that's what i just kinda said you retard. :oldlol: Fact's are facts and you giving statistics shouldn't even be an argument you ****ing imbecile. :oldlol:

Nope, you asked how could you argue with facts and you did it sarcastically. So I gave a serious reply to your question, and I did that because I was implying that sarcasm had no place in your post in the first place. But I guess you're too stupid to figure that out.


When those "facts" you say aren't true or even close to be whatsoever. :roll:

Every single thing I've said in this thread has been true.


To quit what? To quit bagging on you? Of course not, i mean, it's mainly just for fun actually -- dogging on someone (specifically someone who's supposedly an adult still stuck in his ****ing childhood :oldlol:).

No I meant you should quit school already considering you've been held back more than once. It's actually very funny that you continue to try without much success. There isn't one way that I'm stuck in childhood either. You however are young to begin with and in school everyday with kids 2+ years younger than you, so it's no wonder why you're so god damn stupid.



:confusedshrug: Just told you to stop? Your losing your credibility, well I mean its not like you had any to begin with, but yeah, just a heads up. But keep going if you wish, pure entertainment at its ****ing highest peak. :oldlol:

I'm a hell of a lot more credible than you. Not only is it obvious that you don't know sh*t about basketball, but you obviously don't know sh*t about much else. If you did then you wouldn't have been held back multiple years and still trying to finish school.

[Fudge]

Nope, you asked how could you argue with facts and you did it sarcastically. So I gave a serious reply to your question, and I did that because I was implying that sarcasm had no place in your post in the first place. But I guess you're too stupid to figure that out.
Again, just shows how much trash you talk out of your ass. :oldlol:




Every single thing I've said in this thread has been true.
Yeah, no. Not really. Good try though.




No I meant you should quit school already considering you've been held back more than once. It's actually very funny that you continue to try without much success. There isn't one way that I'm stuck in childhood either. You however are young to begin with and in school everyday with kids 2+ years younger than you, so it's no wonder why you're so god damn stupid.
Not 1 way? Thats pushing it. :oldlol: Maybe you shouldn't heavily rely on stats to solidify your arguments. Because it means absolutely nothing. On second thought, when you bring up "stats" to support your responses, it wouldn't be an argument at all.

Also, me being "young" doesn't diminish the fact that you're still a nittwitt. :oldlol: And what makes you think i'm still in school? :applause: A round of applause to this assclown over here. :roll:



I'm a hell of a lot more credible than you. Not only is it obvious that you don't know sh*t about basketball, but you obviously don't know sh*t about much else. If you did then you wouldn't have been held back multiple years and still trying to finish school.
Yes, because spitting out "stats" to use for your argument really shows you know much more about basketball than a certain other. ****ing retard. :oldlol:

And basically, i called it. You did use the fact that i failed a couple years in high school as 'bait' to clown on me, which is the only fact that you can clown me about, since i've expressed it to the whole ISH community -- mainly you. It's virtually like me giving a robber my gun so he can raid my house. Dip****. :oldlol: Man, keep em going, just using this to kill time for my basketball game later tonight.

:hammertime:

[VCMVP1551]

Again, just shows how much trash you talk out of your ass. :oldlol:

Nope, try again.



Yeah, no. Not really. Good try though.

Well then tell me what I've said that's incorrect, and prove it's incorrect.



Not 1 way?

Nope, not at all.


Thats pushing it. :oldlol: Maybe you shouldn't heavily rely on stats to solidify your arguments. Because it means absolutely nothing.

Actually stats do mean a lot. When you called Vince Wince you were obviously bringing up his history of injuries. I proved that to be idiotic by the fact that he's missed just 10 games in his 5 seasons with New Jersey.


Also, me being "young" doesn't diminish the fact that you're still a nittwitt. :oldlol: And what makes you think i'm still in school? :applause: A round of applause to this assclown over here. :roll:

Because you didn't deny it any other times I've said you were.


Yes, because spitting out "stats" to use for your argument really shows you know much more about basketball than a certain other. ****ing retard. :oldlol:

If you read more of my posts than you'd know that I don't just use stats. However in this case what else should I use when you make a joke about Vince missing games because of injuries. What's better than the fact that he hasn't missed many games in a long time.


And basically, i called it. You did use the fact that i failed a couple years in high school as 'bait' to clown on me, which is the only fact that you can clown me about, since i've expressed it to the whole ISH community -- mainly you. It's virtually like me giving a robber my gun so he can raid my house. Dip****. :oldlol: Man, keep em going, just using this to kill time for my basketball game later tonight.

No I can and have been making fun of you for many different things. Such as the fact you're some pathetic 16, 17 year old virgin who still says things like "epic" and "fail". :roll:

[Fudge]

Nope, try again.
:oldlol:



Well then tell me what I've said that's incorrect, and prove it's incorrect.
Just about everything.



Actually stats do mean a lot. When you called Vince Wince you were obviously bringing up his history of injuries. I proved that to be idiotic by the fact that he's missed just 10 games in his 5 seasons with New Jersey.
You forgot to add that he's such baby, and if your comeback goes along the lines of "So is McGrady!!!!1!!1" then please, gladly do. I'm sensing your comebacks like you're a 5th grader. :oldlol:



Because you didn't deny it any other times I've said you were.
Aw, quit the bullying.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_drUMJ9HF-tQ/SQB8lhYH3bI/AAAAAAAAEJ4/DZt-pBa4XvE/s400/crying.jpg

You're hurting my feel0rz !!!



If you read more of my posts than you'd know that I don't just use stats. However in this case what else should I use when you make a joke about Vince missing games because of injuries. What's better than the fact that he hasn't missed many games in a long time.
Thats the thing though, i DONT read your posts. Im assuming everybody doesnt as well, because that's your WHOLE argument, prove me otherwise, and i might take your responses like they mean something.


No I can and have been making fun of you for many different things. Such as the fact you're some pathetic 16, 17 year old virgin who still says things like "epic" and "fail". :roll:
And you're 22 years old how? :oldlol:

[VCMVP1551]

Just about everything.

I said prove it dipsh*t. You couldn't so you didn't. You didn't even try. :oldlol:


You forgot to add that he's such baby, and if your comeback goes along the lines of "So is McGrady!!!!1!!1" then please, gladly do. I'm sensing your comebacks like you're a 5th grader. :oldlol:

Explain how he's been a baby with New Jersey? He doesn't miss many games, he produces at a high level and he plays through a lot of injuries now. He's a baby yet he's called a great leader by all of his teammates, his coach and most Net fans? Many Net fans who didn't like Vince at first or were critical of him have praised his leadership these last few years. What does that tell you?



Thats the thing though, i DONT read your posts. Im assuming everybody doesnt as well, because that's your WHOLE argument, prove me otherwise, and i might take your responses like they mean something.

You don't read my posts yet somehow you know I only spit out stats to back up my arguments? :oldlol:

Here's an example. Stats are used in my post, but the majority of this post isn't based on stats.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=120815

I don't feel like digging up specific posts either. And actually most people do read my posts. I'm not viewed as a troll here by most like PleezeBelieve, Spudjjay ect.


And you're 22 years old how? :oldlol:

Because I was born in 1987 and it's 2009? :confusedshrug:

[Fudge]

I said prove it dipsh*t. You couldn't so you didn't. You didn't even try. :oldlol:
Keywords: "Didnt even try" :oldlol:


Explain how he's been a baby with New Jersey? He doesn't miss many games, he produces at a high level and he plays through a lot of injuries now. He's a baby yet he's called a great leader by all of his teammates, his coach and most Net fans? Many Net fans who didn't like Vince at first or were critical of him have praised his leadership these last few years. What does that tell you?
Producing at a high level? Also equivalent to him "having heart" right? Well, why don't you elaborate why this "great leader" is on the trade block? :oldlol: ***** is getting shipped out because he's heartless. Simple as that. Basically the opposite of everything of what you just stated. :oldlol:



You don't read my posts yet somehow you know I only spit out stats to back up my arguments? :oldlol:

Here's an example. Stats are used in my post, but the majority of this post isn't based on stats.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=120815
I don't read your posts at all actually. What's the point of reading when you can just have a quick glimpse at it and totally tell its just a pile of **** with numbers, stats, hell you even mention their ****ing height and weight when its totally irrelevent to the subject. :oldlol:


I don't feel like digging up specific posts either. And actually most people do read my posts. I'm not viewed as a troll here by most like PleezeBelieve, Spudjjay ect.
Yeah, not really.

*Pulls into psychic mode and predicts you'll backfire with the same comeback :roll:


Because I was born in 1987 and it's 2009? :confusedshrug:
And you're 22 years old how?

[VCMVP1551]

Keywords: "Didnt even try" :oldlol:

Yeah, and we both know why you didn't try. Because you couldn't prove anything that I said wrong, Do you know why you couldn't prove anything I've said wrong? Because none of it is wrong and you're an idiot who is in capable of any kind of logical argument.



Producing at a high level? Also equivalent to him "having heart" right? Well, why don't you elaborate why this "great leader" is on the trade block? :oldlol: ***** is getting shipped out because he's heartless. Simple as that. Basically the opposite of everything of what you just stated. :oldlol:

Once again you're talking out of your ass. The Nets are looking to trade him because he's 32 and he makes a lot of money. In fact go tot he Nets board and ask why Vince is on the trading block? Everyone will pretty much agree that he's too old for the Nets who are trying to rebuild and they want to have more cap space so they can go after a good free agent in 2010.

It's no conicidence that good teams like the Spurs, Rockets, Cavs and Mavs have shown interest in Vince.



I don't read your posts at all actually. What's the point of reading when you can just have a quick glimpse at it and totally tell its just a pile of **** with numbers, stats, hell you even mention their ****ing height and weight when its totally irrelevent to the subject. :oldlol:

Look at that post as an example.


Offense

What he didn't do well

His average at best passing ability and subpar ball handling skills made it difficult for him to make plays for his teammates and the latter made it tough for him to create his own shot off the dribble. His average footwork and the fact that he was undersized also prevented him from being a good post player.

What he did do well

He still found ways to score 20 points almost every night though. He get points off of offensive rebounds with his quick jumping, he'd use his excellent speed to run on the fastbreak and his above average athleticism made him one of the best finishers in the league. He was also excellent at moving without the ball to get to the basket so he could get easy dunks and layups and his odd looking jump shot was strangely effective especially on corner 3's. All of those things were very important and instrumental to the Sun's success.

Defense
His versatility defensively was impressive. He could guard any position from point guard to power forward because of his quickness, athleticism and length. He also was always among the league leaders in steals and he'd surprise a lot of players by blocking a shot on the break or when they weren't looking. At 6 foot 7 he averaged over 1.5 blocks several seasons. He also was a strong one on one defender, even vs some of the top offensive players. For example he always did a good job on Dirk Nowitzki defensively despite giving up 5 inches. He always seemed to shut down Tracy McGrady too which shows how versatile he was defensively.

You can see that stats aren't used much at all.



Yeah, not really.

*Pulls into psychic mode and predicts you'll backfire with the same comeback :roll:

You can pretend all you want but the reality is that most people do read my posts, and most people don't consider me a troll. You're just p*ssed that I've exposed you as being some idiotic 16/17 year old kid. You've admitted to talking out of your ass(judging my posts without reading them) and your explanation for Vince Carter being on the tradeblock also showed how little knowledge you have.


And you're 22 years old how?

I'm guessing that math was one of the subjects you failed.

[Fudge]

Yeah, and we both know why you didn't try. Because you couldn't prove anything that I said wrong, Do you know why you couldn't prove anything I've said wrong? Because none of it is wrong and you're an idiot who is in capable of any kind of logical argument.




Once again you're talking out of your ass. The Nets are looking to trade him because he's 32 and he makes a lot of money. In fact go tot he Nets board and ask why Vince is on the trading block? Everyone will pretty much agree that he's too old for the Nets who are trying to rebuild and they want to have more cap space so they can go after a good free agent in 2010.

It's no conicidence that good teams like the Spurs, Rockets, Cavs and Mavs have shown interest in Vince.




Look at that post as an example.



You can see that stats aren't used much at all.




You can pretend all you want but the reality is that most people do read my posts, and most people don't consider me a troll. You're just p*ssed that I've exposed you as being some idiotic 16/17 year old kid. You've admitted to talking out of your ass(judging my posts without reading them) and your explanation for Vince Carter being on the tradeblock also showed how little knowledge you have.



I'm guessing that math was one of the subjects you failed.
Are you ****ing kidding me?

:roll: :roll: :oldlol: :roll:

You're 22 years old and you can't come up with your own comebacks? You need help, guy.

[VCMVP1551]

Are you ****ing kidding me?

:roll: :roll: :oldlol: :roll:

You're 22 years old and you can't come up with your own comebacks? You need help, guy.

What you just posted makes no sense. I can't come up with my own comeback? So you made up the phrase "talking out of your ass"? You commenting on me as a poster without reading many of my posts is proof that you talk out of your ass everytime you comment on me as a poster? Am I wrong? :confusedshrug:

[Fudge]

What you just posted makes no sense. I can't come up with my own comeback? So you made up the phrase "talking out of your ass"? You commenting on me as a poster without reading many of my posts is proof that you talk out of your ass everytime you comment on me as a poster? Am I wrong? :confusedshrug:
Obviously, you're always wrong. No diffy here.

Nope, but you obviously repeated what i've been saying to you the whole time. A man at your age with no creative intelligence? Ah, pretty sad if you ask me. And i bolded that last part because that's not true at all. And i dont need to dig up proof at all to reason out my claim towards your posts. My proof is every one of your responses/replies in a particular thread.

Show me something significant you've posted... in your life as a ISH member, something that can be in actual discussions of some sort, instead of posting facts or opinions relating statistics.

Well.. well, you even think out of your ass? Very versatile. Congrats. :cheers:

[VCMVP1551]

Obviously, you're always wrong. No diffy here.

Nope, but you obviously repeated what i've been saying to you the whole time. A man at your age with no creative intelligence? Ah, pretty sad if you ask me. And i bolded that last part because that's not true at all. And i dont need to dig up proof at all to reason out my claim towards your posts. My proof is every one of your responses/replies in a particular thread.

Show me something significant you've posted... in your life as a ISH member, something that can be in actual discussions of some sort, instead of posting facts or opinions relating statistics.

Well.. well, you even think out of your ass? Very versatile. Congrats. :cheers:

I've copied you? :roll: Bullsh*t. I already posted an example of me discussing a player's game, mostly without stats and you didn't reply to it. That tells me all I need to know about you. That's just like when I told you to prove my statements were wrong and you didn't even attempt to. You're an idiot, I'm right and you're wrong. End of discussion.

[Fudge]

I've copied you? :roll: Bullsh*t.
Are you seriously trying to deny that i didn't say that line first? You're a ****ing queer. :oldlol: Wow.


I already posted an example of me discussing a player's game, mostly without stats and you didn't reply to it. That tells me all I need to know about you. That's just like when I told you to prove my statements were wrong and you didn't even attempt to. You're an idiot, I'm right and you're wrong.
:wtf:

OH right, one thread that was put together quite terribly. I'm impressed. Real impressed. :oldlol: You didn't have deep in tact information, just the basic "we already know that..." type of crap. Congrats on that.


End of discussion.
Yeah, not really. :oldlol:


Oh and how can i not wrap this is quote tags.... Classic. :oldlol:

You're an idiot, I'm right and you're wrong.
:roll:

[VCMVP1551]

Are you seriously trying to deny that i didn't say that line first? You're a ****ing queer. :oldlol: Wow.

Who the f*ck cares if you said the line first? It's a commonly used line.


OH right, one thread that was put together quite terribly. I'm impressed. Real impressed. :oldlol: You didn't have deep in tact information, just the basic "we already know that..." type of crap. Congrats on that.

Do you expect me to go digging through pages of threads just to prove a point to some loser like you? :oldlol:

[wozzler]

I cant believe I just read all 9 pages worth, but its simple really..

Lebron is a once in a lifetime physical specimen, he is built big, he has big/strong everything which is probably why he never gets injured, his muscles dont look out of proportion or immobilizing because it goes with his wide frame and body.

People dont understand how he can be 60lbs heavier than Kobe? Look at the way Kobes jersey hangs on him, compare to Lebron, look at lebrons legs, look at his frame, there is a huge difference.

The reason why people like MJ or Kobe may have improved after losing weight is because they're not designed to be heavy people (heavy by NBA standards anyway), whereas Lebron was just built to be big - I dont think losing any weight will add to his game, being heavy is what makes him who he is.

By the way, I'm not saying Lebron is a better player than Kobe, I'm just saying that naturally Lebron is a much bigger person, its the way god designed him.

[Fudge]

Who the f*ck cares if you said the line first? It's a commonly used line.
Don't care then. I'm just saying you have no creative intelligence whatsoever. And gosh, you're 22 years old. Thats the icing on the cake. :oldlol:




Do you expect me to go digging through pages of threads just to prove a point to some loser like you? :oldlol:
Actually, yes.

"Loser" :oldlol: And you refer to me as a kid because i use the words "epic" and "fail"? :oldlol: Oh god.

[VCMVP1551]

Don't care then. I'm just saying you have no creative intelligence whatsoever. And gosh, you're 22 years old. Thats the icing on the cake. :oldlol:

Not every line has to be creative, it's just what came to mind first. You stated that you don't really read my posts, so you couldn't know much about my posts. Yet you talk about my posts. Talking about something you don't know much about is talking out of your ass.

Is that simple enough for you?


"Loser" :oldlol: And you refer to me as a kid because i use the words "epic" and "fail"? :oldlol: Oh god.

No I call you a kid because of your age. I call you a loser because of the way you use epic and a fail.

[Fudge]

Not every line has to be creative, it's just what came to mind first. You stated that you don't really read my posts, so you couldn't know much about my posts. Yet you talk about my posts. Talking about something you don't know much about is talking out of your ass.

Is that simple enough for you?
Didn't say every line has to be creative, but your comebacks have to be. If you're aiming for an insult, and you just jock the person who's already said the same exact thing just a response before yours, then yes, you're either retarded or not 21. :oldlol:



No I call you a kid because of your age. I call you a loser because of the way you use epic and a fail.[/QUOTE]
You calling someone a "loser" is much worst than saying "epic" or "fail". :oldlol:

Again, you're whole quest to try to "knock" on me has failed miserably. I urge you to keep trying though. It's fun hey?

:hammertime:

[VCMVP1551]

Didn't say every line has to be creative, but your comebacks have to be. If you're aiming for an insult, and you just jock the person who's already said the same exact thing just a response before yours, then yes, you're either retarded or not 21. :oldlol:



No I call you a kid because of your age. I call you a loser because of the way you use epic and a fail.


You calling someone a "loser" is much worst than saying "epic" or "fail". :oldlol:

Again, you're whole quest to try to "knock" on me has failed miserably. I urge you to keep trying though. It's fun hey?

:hammertime:

How is calling someone a loser worse than saying fail or epic the way you do? That makes no sense. Loser is a simple term that's been used for decades, while saying "fail" and "epic" as stand alones is only what nerds say. That's what you expect from the people who play World Of Warcraft. Once again you haven't made a valid point in this entire thread. It's really pathetic.

[305Baller]

You bring up good points.