Bob Marley tops BET's list of Top 25 influential artists in music

[L.Kizzle]

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1. Bob Marley
2. Michael Jackson
3. Prince
4. Ella Fitzgerald
5. Little Richard
6. James Brown
7. Ray Charles
8. Aretha Franklin
9. Marvin Gaye
10. Curtis Mayfield
11. Stevie Wonder
12. Quincy Jones
13. Berry Gordy
14. Russell Simmons
15. Miles Davis
16. Diddy
17. Jay-Z
18. Nina Simone
19. Tupac Shakur
20. Notorious B.I.G.
21. Luther Vandross
22. Chaka Khan
23. Diana Ross
25. Mary J. Blige
26. Jimi Hendrix


Wonder who made this list up, terrible.

[i seen hippos]

Perhaps to other black people?

Saying this because white are the large majority in America. White people love rock. And rockers idolize Jimi. How are there 25 people ahead of him?

[Randy]

1. Bob Marley
2. Michael Jackson
3. Prince
4. Ella Fitzgerald
5. Little Richard
6. James Brown
7. Ray Charles
8. Aretha Franklin
9. Marvin Gaye
10. Curtis Mayfield
11. Stevie Wonder
12. Quincy Jones
13. Berry Gordy
14. Russell Simmons
15. Miles Davis
16. Diddy
17. Jay-Z
18. Nina Simone
19. Tupac Shakur
20. Notorious B.I.G.
21. Luther Vandross
22. Chaka Khan
23. Diana Ross
25. Mary J. Blige
26. Jimi Hendrix

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Chuck Berry???!!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!! Robert Johnson???!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[barne100]

to say diddy was more influential than Pac makes me wanna *puke emoticion here*

[johndeeregreen]

Hendrix at 25?:oldlol:

[Randy]

Hendrix at 25?:oldlol:

26

[PistolPete]

They must be talking about most influential artists in black music and that makes no sense either. This list is obviously biased or something is missing in your title.

I'll accept these few perhaps:

1. Les Paul
2. Elvis Presley
3. Michael Jackson
4. Marvin Gaye
5. Beatles

[Fallguy20]

Where the **** is Eminem on this list?

[L.Kizzle]

Perhaps to other black people?

Saying this because white are the large majority in America. White people love rock. And rockers idolize Jimi. How are there 25 people ahead of him?
True, also who the hell looks up Mary J Blidge? There is about ten just on this list who were influenced by Jimi, none by Mary J. And LOL at JB being six, and his two main disciples at 2 and 3.

[L.Kizzle]

They must be talking about most influential artists in black music and that makes no sense either. This list is obviously biased or something is missing in your title.

I'll accept these few perhaps:

1. Les Paul
2. Elvis Presley
3. Michael Jackson
4. Marvin Gaye
5. Beatles
Check out the letters BE and T in the title.

[Randy]

They must be talking about most influential artists in black music and that makes no sense either. This list is obviously biased or something is missing in your title.

I'll accept these few perhaps:

1. Les Paul
2. Elvis Presley
3. Michael Jackson
4. Marvin Gaye
5. Beatles

Sigh......

It's Black History Month and it's from BET. DERP!!!!!!!!!!

[PistolPete]

Check out the letters BE and T in the title.

BET = Black Entertainment Television

[Fallguy20]

Check out the letters BE and T in the title.
x-actly
where is eminem?
:D

[miller-time]

no love for louis armstrong?

[dawsey6]

You're right Kizzle, that list is terrible. But still, no love for Bob?

[B-Low]

Mary J. Blige more influential to music than Jimi Hendrix. BET never ceases to amaze me

[NY Comeback]

That list just makes BET look more biased and ignorant. Good job.

[TakitoEspanoza]

Mary J. Blige more influential to music than Jimi Hendrix. BET never ceases to amaze me

I actually would have to agree with this.. when you think about it, Jimi Hendrix was not very influential. How many black rockers do we see nowadays? Pretty much none. I wish that wasn't the case tho, black rockers would bring alot more to the genre.

[-primetime-]

I went to jamacia when I was younger...

Marley is viewed as a prophet from God to them...

[starface]

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no love? psshh. list is wack juice.

[LJJ]

So this is about which black artists influenced other black artists the most?

Because Hendrix pretty much only influenced Ernie Isley, Eddie Hazel and white artists.


Anyways, the list is a combination of great artists an not so great ones.

[CAAIDN]

Dr.Dre belongs on that list.

[kwajo]

This list is racist.

[Sanity]

Mary J. Blige more influential to music than Jimi Hendrix. BET never ceases to amaze me

So true. The day people people stop watching BET and MTV is the day we become a smarter nation

[Sanity]

Dr.Dre belongs on that list.


On any other list I would disagree but according to this list he should be top 10

[Rasheed1]

:cheers: :applause: Bob Marley is the only role model I ever had..... He is the most influential dude for me....

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

So true. The day people people stop watching BET and MTV is the day we become a smarter nation

Will you quit deeming the majority of people "masses of azzes." I despize this elitist attitude regardless of how much validity it has, cuz it promotes hierarchies, unfairness, contempt, and so much motherphucking pain to people who don't dezerve it. These simple village folks that raised me as a child suffering. The preppy kids at my school who would take me in as a friend and guide me when I was a scrawny, antisocial kid. I religiously watched BET throughout my middleschool years, and so did the majority of my homize and they're set to go to medskewl. Granted its just an exception but stop acting the way you do. It is incredibly annoyign.

By the way, Just to put things into perspective, you're one of the dumbest motherphuckers on this site. Just saying.

Anyways the list is pretty phucked up but the top 10 or so are okay if it had not been in any order. Marley, Brown, Gaye, Prince, MJ, Ellington, Armstrong, and Berry should be the first 7 in that order. The rest I'm not so sure. If we're talkign rapperz Diddy and MJB have NO BUSINESS WHATSOEVER. SugarHill Gang should be bigger don'tcha think?

[Dasher]

I can accept Bob being #1. I view him as a secular saint. Diddy being on the list is not a travesty. His impact on music was/is immense. Sometimes people let their dislike of the Diddy persona get in the way of objectively looking at what he has done. Jay Z and Mary J should not be on the list. I consider Mary to be apart of the Diddy tree. Chaka Khan and Diana Ross could also get the boot. Teddy Riley, George Clinton, R. Kelly, and Dr. Dre should have spots on the list. It was a decent effort from BET.

[dnyk1337]

I can accept Bob being #1. I view him as a secular saint. Diddy being on the list is not a travesty. His impact on music was/is immense. Sometimes people let their dislike of the Diddy persona get in the way of objectively looking at what he has done. Jay Z and Mary J should not be on the list. I consider Mary to be apart of the Diddy tree. Chaka Khan and Diana Ross could also get the boot. Teddy Riley, George Clinton, R. Kelly, and Dr. Dre should have spots on the list. It was a decent effort from BET.

You're a funny guy. It's like you only say sh!t nowadays for the shock factor. It's just funny though.

[Dasher]

You're a funny guy. It's like you only say sh!t nowadays for the shock factor. It's just funny though.What did I say that was paticularly shocking?

[dnyk1337]

What did I say that was paticularly shocking?

Are you serious? You said Diddy deserved to be on the list... I can't even see Dre on that list, but sure as hell more than Diddy. You left out too many others like BB King and Chuck Berry.

[Dasher]

Are you serious? You said Diddy deserved to be on the list... I can't even see Dre on that list, but sure as hell more than Diddy. You left out too many others like BB King and Chuck Berry.B.B King is not as influential as Diddy. Check his impact. Diddy was the Berry Gordy of his day. He produced 3 albums on Rolling Stone's top 500. The man is accomplished, and completely changed how the business works, and how artists market themselves.

Dre quarterbacked at the minimum 2 seismic shifts in popular music, in Gangsta Rap and G-Funk. He also unleashed on the world Eminem, Snoop Dogg, and 50 Cent. Dre is indirectly responsible for Del tha Funky Homosapien(Ice Cube) and Bone Thugs and Harmony(Easy E).

It is easy to leave B.B King off the list, he is not the most influential bluesman ever.

Also leaving Chuck Berry off is not terrible. Bo Diddley didn't make the list, and there is already an early rocker on it. Little Richard's influence is greater in Black music than both of them combined.

[Rasheed1]

Are you serious? You said Diddy deserved to be on the list... I can't even see Dre on that list, but sure as hell more than Diddy. You left out too many others like BB King and Chuck Berry.


Puff belongs on the list... the guy came from uptown records and blew up into a dynasty of his own.. He's been there for at least a decade.... not too many people have done what he did... Barry Gordy maybe

I'd say he belongs... Dre too

[johndeeregreen]

It is easy to leave B.B King off the list, he is not the most influential bluesman ever.
What's your excuse for Robert Johnson?

My guess is that he wasn't "black" enough for the list. Not enough street cred.

[Dasher]

What's your excuse for Robert Johnson?

My guess is that he wasn't "black" enough for the list. Not enough street cred.I was responding to his assertion that BB King should be on the list. Robert does not make the list because he lacks the Q-rating. Excepting Chaka Khan, I still don't know how she made the list, all of those listed are icons within the Black community. Robert has been hurt by the fading of importance of the Blues in the last couple of generations.

[johndeeregreen]

Robert has been hurt by the fading of importance of the Blues in the last couple of generations.
Although this is true, it doesn't make his omission any more acceptable. And Hendrix at 26 makes me want to ****ing stab whoever made this list in the eye.

[Bean]

Although this is true, it doesn't make his omission any more acceptable. And Hendrix at 26 makes me want to ****ing stab whoever made this list in the eye.

Hendrix being so low is shameful. The top 3 is solid though.

[Zan Tabak]

Bob Marley is the Greatest of all time!..he deserves to be on top of any list including white lists.(he was half white):cheers:

[Rasheed1]

Hendrix wasnt that popular among black audiences compared to some other people..... Him being on there at all is a positive

[Dasher]

If Hendrix would not have been on the list it would have been no big deal to me. Duke Ellington on the other hand should have been included. When you look at the pictures of those listed, you can see his style influence in a lot of them.

[ikoiko]

James Brown is number one on that list, if not higher. You could make the case that he was the most influential artist overall of the 20th century if you wanted. As kizzle pointed out, to have Prince and Michael jackson above him on that list is just ludicrous.

[ikoiko]

If Hendrix would not have been on the list it would have been no big deal to me. Duke Ellington on the other hand should have been included. When you look at the pictures of those listed, you can see his style influence in a lot of them.

good thinkin, definitely duke should be there :cheers:

[johndeeregreen]

If Hendrix would not have been on the list it would have been no big deal to me.
:oldlol:

Genc was right.

[Dasher]

:oldlol:

Genc was right.He lacks cultural importance in the black community of artists who did not even make the list. By the time Hendrix was at his height there was already a really big disconnect from Rock music in the black community. It depends on how you gauge influence. Can a person be really influential in a community if a very large percentage can not name two of his songs?

[pete's montreux]

Sometimes you amaze me, Dash. The crazy things you say.

I figured black people would be proud that the greatest guitarist to ever live was black, and influenced anyone who picked up a guitar since the late 1960's.

Now it seems you're trying to argue he isn't black enough.

[johndeeregreen]

He lacks cultural importance in the black community of artists who did not even make the list. By the time Hendrix was at his height there was already a really big disconnect from Rock music in the black community. It depends on how you gauge influence. Can a person be really influential in a community if a very large percentage can not name two of his songs?
Uh, yes, absolutely, especially when you consider a guy like Prince doesn't exist the way we know him without Hendrix, and he's #3 on the list.

I don't think you're fathoming that almost everyone - who picked up an electric guitar after Hendrix was influenced by him. That includes black people.

[Dasher]

Sometimes you amaze me, Dash. The crazy things you say.

I figured black people would be proud that the greatest guitarist to ever live was black, and influenced anyone who picked up a guitar since the late 1960's.

Now it seems you're trying to argue he isn't black enough.Not arguing that he is not black enough, I am arguing that other artists were more influential on black music, which is what this list is about. Hendrix being 26th is not a travesty. Bobby Womack, Isaac Hayes, Jackie Wilson, and Sam Cooke could be slotted over him easily. So could Bennie Benjamin and James Jamerson. He is more important to American pop-culture, than he is to the greater African-American culture.

[LJJ]

Uh, yes, absolutely, especially when you consider a guy like Prince doesn't exist the way we know him without Hendrix, and he's #3 on the list.

I don't think you're fathoming that almost everyone - who picked up an electric guitar after Hendrix was influenced by him. That includes black people.

It's kind of lame to say "Hendrix influenced everybody who picked up an electric guitar after him". Indirectly sure.

But if we are talking about indirect influence their are lots of people waaay more influential than Hendrix even.

[johndeeregreen]

It's kind of lame to say "Hendrix influenced everybody who picked up an electric guitar after him".
I didn't say everyone, I said almost everyone, and it's true.

[pete's montreux]

Do you even know what black music is? What? Hip hop? R&B? Soul?

You fail to realize that rock and roll derived from the blues, which is black music. You of all people should know that. I feel like you gauge everything on hip hop only.

[Rasheed1]

Dasher is right on the money here....

its really simple....

Rock music isnt popular among black people, so you wont see too much hype over Hendrix...

oh & Prince got just as much of his style from Santana, James Brown and Sly stone...

the list is obviously a list of artists who had a big impact on black america

[Dasher]

Do you even know what black music is? What? Hip hop? R&B? Soul?

You fail to realize that rock and roll derived from the blues, which is black music. Without Hendrix, rock and roll doesn't exist. What are you talking about? Rock and Roll existed before Hendrix left the Chitlin circuit. Little Richard, Bo Diddley, and Chuck Berry are responsible for the 1st Golden Age of Rock.

[pete's montreux]

I think you guys are generalizing. Just because you don't know many black rock and roll fans, doesn't mean they don't exist. Sounds like you don't like rock and roll because It's not black enough.

[LJJ]

Do you even know what black music is? What? Hip hop? R&B? Soul?

You fail to realize that rock and roll derived from the blues, which is black music. You of all people should know that. I feel like you gauge everything on hip hop only.

Really? I think music styles have no color really. Black music = Music made by black people.

[johndeeregreen]

I'm done with this thread. If you guys don't want Jimi ****ing Hendrix on your list of influential black artists, fine, whatever. I'm not going to run the man's name through the mud by comparing him to jerkoffs like Jay-Z and Mary J. Blige.

[pete's montreux]

What are you talking about? Rock and Roll existed before Hendrix left the Chitlin circuit. Little Richard, Bo Diddley, and Chuck Berry are responsible for the 1st Golden Age of Rock.

I know, I edited my post because that sounded stupid. Hendrix is not really the point, and you just made my point for me by naming early influential black artists.

The blues was invented by black people, which evolved into rock and roll. To you, in the modern era, most rock and roll is played by white people, which in turn to you, doesn't make it black anymore, which is incredible stupid.

[pete's montreux]

Really? I think music styles have no color really. Black music = Music made by black people.

I'm not saying it does, but I bet if I started a thread that stated black people have no influence on rock and roll, all the black guys in this thread would rip my head off, but they don't want to give credit to their own race for inventing rock and roll. It's some weird double standard.

[Rasheed1]

I know, I edited my post because that sounded stupid. Hendrix is not really the point, and you just made my point for me by naming early influential black artists.

The blues was invented by black people, which evolved into rock and roll. To you, in the modern era, most rock and roll is played by white people, which in turn to you, doesn't make it black anymore, which is incredible stupid.


Its not that deep at all....

the truth is that not many black people listen to or could tell you anything about Hendrix. They dont listen to his music. They may have heard of him, but thats about it....

he isnt that popular in black american entertainment

[Rasheed1]

I'm done with this thread. If you guys don't want Jimi ****ing Hendrix on your list of influential black artists, fine, whatever. I'm not going to run the man's name through the mud by comparing him to jerkoffs like Jay-Z and Mary J. Blige.



he throws a tantrum and leaves :oldlol:

[pete's montreux]

What does he not being popular have anything to do with his influence?

Absolutely nothing.

I don't really understand what point you guys are trying to make.

[johndeeregreen]

he throws a tantrum and leaves :oldlol:
It's amazing how everybody equates a bad word on a messageboard with anger. I dropped an f-bomb, oh no! I must be losing it over here!:rolleyes:

I am being serious, though. If you guys say Hendrix isn't influential in the black community, all right, you know better than me. I think it's ****ing pathetic, but all right.

[Rasheed1]

What does he not being popular have anything to do with his influence?

Absolutely nothing.

I don't really understand what point you guys are trying to make.


the point is that Nobody listened to his music, therefore he wouldnt be too high on this list if he makes it at all

I grew up in Black America and I never heard any music (hardly any talk) from hendrix.

the point is that he wasnt that popular among black folks...

[LJJ]

What does he not being popular have anything to do with his influence?

Absolutely nothing.

I don't really understand what point you guys are trying to make.
There are not really that many black artists in which you can hear a direct Hendrixian influence.

Just face it, he has been embraced by the English crowd and later the American hippy crowd, a ton of legendary white artists have sung his praise, but amongst black artists I don't really see anything past copycats Ernie Isley and Eddie Hazel.

Prince? Please.

[pete's montreux]

50 years ago, black America was the blues and rock and roll. Fast forward today and black American is hip hop. You're acting like It's been hip hop for forever.

Just because black America now is hip hop, doesn't mean it always was. You guys need to brush up on your history.

You guys just sound like snobs. It's not hip hop, so it doesn't matter.

Hey, white people can take Hendrix in the racial draft, right? He's my number one pick.

I've had several black guys as friends, but never as weird as you guys.

[Rasheed1]

50 years ago, black America was the blues and rock and roll. Fast forward today and black American is hip hop. You're acting like It's been hip hop for forever.

Just because black America now is hip hop, doesn't mean it always was. You guys need to brush up on your history.

You guys just sound like snobs. It's not hip hop, so it doesn't matter.

Hey, white people can take Hendrix in the racial draft, right? He's my number one pick.

I've had several black guys as friends, but never as weird as you guys.



you are all over the place now

just because he isnt as high as you think he should be on the list, doesnt mean 'guys need to brush up on history' or that guys are 'snobs'

it has nothing to do with 'black enough or not'..... Its is more about the fact that he played music that black people dont generally listen to...

[JtotheIzzo]

Peter Tosh > Bob Marley

[LJJ]

50 years ago, black America was the blues and rock and roll. Fast forward today and black American is hip hop. You're acting like It's been hip hop for forever.

Just because black America now is hip hop, doesn't mean it always was. You guys need to brush up on your history.

You guys just sound like snobs. It's not hip hop, so it doesn't matter.

Hey, white people can take Hendrix in the racial draft, right? He's my number one pick.

I've had several black guys as friends, but never as weird as you guys.
I hope your not referring to me. I have all of the Hendrix albums, listen to every kind of music and I'm pale like Casper.

[ikoiko]

50 years ago, black America was the blues and rock and roll. Fast forward today and black American is hip hop. You're acting like It's been hip hop for forever.

Just because black America now is hip hop, doesn't mean it always was. You guys need to brush up on your history.

You guys just sound like snobs. It's not hip hop, so it doesn't matter.

Hey, white people can take Hendrix in the racial draft, right? He's my number one pick.

I've had several black guys as friends, but never as weird as you guys.

i swear, it's like you're not even trying to see the other side of the argument.

[Rasheed1]

Peter Tosh > Bob Marley


Bob was my role model............ But I actually agree....

Bob was an acceptable version of Peter Tosh... Bob was alot more marketable than peter and had this charm that few people have..

But Peter was full of fire.

[pete's montreux]

i swear, it's like you're not even trying to see the other side of the argument.

Why single me out? You could say the same exact thing for the other guys.

[dnyk1337]

Since when was Jimi Hendrix simply rock and roll? I know young black people these days don't like rock, but it was completely different back then when blues and rock dominated the world.

Jimi is a pioneer of psychedelic, blues and rock and roll.

Simply put, Dre, Diddy, Blige or any of these loser artists from the 80s/90s/00s aren't even worthy of eating Jimi's dirty socks.

[Spudjjay]

Where's 50 Cent? :confusedshrug:

[Rasheed1]

Since when was Jimi Hendrix simply rock and roll? I know young black people these days don't like rock, but it was completely different back then when blues and rock dominated the world.

Jimi is a pioneer of psychedelic, blues and rock and roll.

Simply put, Dre, Diddy, Blige or any of these loser artists from the 80s/90s/00s aren't even worthy of eating Jimi's dirty socks.


there was no hip hop when Jimi was playing....

rap music has nothing to do with it... Bob Marley heads the list and he wasnt a rapper...

the reason black people dont worship jimi hendrix like some whites do is because blacks by and large didnt listen to his music...

its that simple... no more no less

[pete's montreux]

I didn't realize you guys know every black person in America. Props.

[dnyk1337]

there was no hip hop when Jimi was playing....

rap music has nothing to do with it... Bob Marley heads the list and he wasnt a rapper...

the reason black people dont worship jimi hendrix like some whites do is because blacks by and large didnt listen to his music...

its that simple... no more no less

Well the whole list is retarded. This list is the most influential to the black community? Bob Marley shouldn't even be in this because he is Jamaican. Since when were black Americans influenced by his music?

But when I think about it, even the blues artists were largely supported by the white crowd. The black population always seemed to like soul and other dance oriented music more. You can see it today where hip-hop that is more "danceable" is actually listened to more. American whites are kind of against dancing because it is viewed as feminine. I guess that might be a reason why they listen to the music that they do... You can't dance to blues/rock (well you can but it's very hard and it's nothing upbeat).

With that said, this list is a travesty to the soul of great music.

[LJJ]

I didn't realize you guys know every black person in America. Props.

If Hendrix was a huge influence on "black music", it should be easy for you to prove us otherwise. :confusedshrug:

[Rasheed1]

now that I think about it really hard, I have a problem with BET putting Bob Marley as their number 1 most influential person..

When I was growing up mainstream black radio avoided playing too much Bob marley and gravitated more towards the disco scene...

radio stations didnt play too much Marley and the wailers because they werent too fond of these backward looking rastafarians...

Earth wind & fire, rick james and all the guys into dressing like girls and androgyny were the thing all the way up until Run Dmc broke the mold by simply wearing adidas and some dookie ropes.....

It is sorta the same situation as Jimi Hendrix, although black radio didnt have to try to avoid hendrix, he simply played a genre that blacks dont generally listen to.....

I had to search out his music more so than just hear it on the radio

[pete's montreux]

If Hendrix was a huge influence on "black music", it should be easy for you to prove us otherwise. :confusedshrug:

Not really. Not when you're all hell bent on making him stand in the corner for a time out.

[Rasheed1]

Well the whole list is retarded. This list is the most influential to the black community? Bob Marley shouldn't even be in this because he is Jamaican. Since when were black Americans influenced by his music?

But when I think about it, even the blues artists were largely supported by the white crowd. The black population always seemed to like soul and other dance oriented music more. You can see it today where hip-hop that is more "danceable" is actually listened to more. American whites are kind of against dancing because it is viewed as feminine. I guess that might be a reason why they listen to the music that they do... You can't dance to blues/rock (well you can but it's very hard and it's nothing upbeat).

With that said, this list is a travesty to the soul of great music.


you just have no idea what is and what isnt popular in the black community....

that is what this list s based on......

I do have a problem with Bob being number 1 because while he did have a big impact on the black community, it was in spite of mainstream black radio and the people who should have promoted Bob's music

[dnyk1337]

you just have no idea what is and what isnt popular in the black community....

that is what this list s based on......

I do have a problem with Bob being number 1 because while he did have a big impact on the black community, it was in spite of mainstream black radio and the people who should have promoted Bob's music

How do I not have an idea what is popular in the black community? I live across the street from the projects and I went to public school in a black neighborhood. :oldlol:

And I wrote that the black community likes soul and other dance oriented music right? You solidified that post by saying that the radio used to play more disco songs... Isn't that right?

[MarloStanfield]

Rasheed forgive me for sounding naive but are you black?

[Brunch@Five]

I love how that list almost completely ignores Jazz. Ella Fitzgerald and Miles Davis seem like alibi picks.

Where is 'Trane? Louis Armstrong? Dizzy Gillespie? Clifford Brown? Bird? Herbie Hancock? Charles Mingus?

Also, what about George Clinton? Sly Stone?

[LJJ]

Not really. Not when you're all hell bent on making him stand in the corner for a time out.

Fine.

I think I have come up with a couple of legitimate arguments:

-Hendrix was part of the black music community as a session player before his rise to fame, but his antics and own music were frowned upon (fact)
-At the time, not many black people attended his concerts (fact)
-You can count the well known black artists in which you can hear a direct Hendrix influence on one hand (opinion/maybe ignorance)


You keep saying he was on of the most influential black artists (to black music) of all time, but you don't really provide any arguments.

[Rasheed1]

How do I not have an idea what is popular in the black community? I live across the street from the projects and I went to public school in a black neighborhood.

*sigh*



And I wrote that the black community likes soul and other dance oriented music right? You solidified that post by saying that the radio used to play more disco songs... Isn't that right?

I can glance at that list and see where each of those people would fit into black culture and be really important during some period of time.... I dont see that time frame for Jimi hendrix... there wasnt a time when Jimi hendrix was the buzz of the black community....

like I said, having bob as number is curious to me because I remember mainstream radio avoiding Bob, but his influence still seeped into our culture because he was simply too profound not to be heard. you just wouldnt hear him on the radio much at all....

guys like puffy and Prince and even Mary J Blige definitely had a extended period of time when they were basically the top artist around

[pete's montreux]

Fine.

I think I have come up with a couple of legitimate arguments:

-Hendrix was part of the black music community as a session player before his rise to fame, but his antics and own music were frowned upon (fact)
-At the time, not many black people attended his concerts (fact)
-You can count the well known black artists in which you can hear a direct Hendrix influence on one hand (opinion/maybe ignorance)


You keep saying he was on of the most influential black artists (to black music) of all time, but you don't really provide any arguments.

Oh, so now It's only influence on other black people? I didn't get the memo that the entire argument had changed.

[Bean]

White people talking about a particular black artist's influence within a black community is pretty hilarious. And pointless.

[Brunch@Five]

I think we're talking about influence on black music/other black musicians. Not influence on pop culture and popularity. Am I wrong? :confusedshrug:

[pete's montreux]

Well, the list says influential artists in music. Not black music, which doesn't really mean anything in the first place.

I mean, can I listen to some white music? Makes no sense.

[dnyk1337]

This is influence on music in general. Not black musicians and not black community.

http://www.bet.com/Music/msc_fb_top25influencersinmusic_1.29.09.htm?i=0



White people talking about a particular black artist's influence within a black community is pretty hilarious. And pointless.

Not really.

[Rasheed1]

I think we're talking about influence on black music/other black musicians. Not influence on pop culture and popularity. Am I wrong? :confusedshrug:


you are right.. I think most correctly assumed this when they got a look at the list

[LJJ]

This is influence on music in general. Not black musicians and not black community.

http://www.bet.com/Music/msc_fb_top25influencersinmusic_1.29.09.htm?i=0

Okay okay, my bad then. :oldlol:

[MarloStanfield]

you are right.. I think most correctly assumed this when they got a look at the list
Are you black?

[Rasheed1]

Are you black?

yes I am...

[Brunch@Five]

hmm, I just took a look at the list, and I don't think it's in order. It's just the top 25, but it doesn't say anywhere that Bob Marley is #1. Hendrix could be #1 as well if it's a countdown.

[dnyk1337]

Read this forum and how people are basically saying the same sh!t most of the posters here are... that the list is complete garbage.

http://prince.org/msg/8/298060

[LJJ]

White people talking about a particular black artist's influence within a black community is pretty hilarious. And pointless.

That's kind of a retarded comment to make on a message board don't you think?

[MarloStanfield]

yes I am...
Pic or GTFO.

Just kidding. Was just curious. I am white in case you wondered LOL.

[Bean]

This is influence on music in general. Not black musicians and not black community.

http://www.bet.com/Music/msc_fb_top25influencersinmusic_1.29.09.htm?i=0




Not really.

Well unless you grew up as a white man in 1950/60/70's america living in a black community, your opinion would not hold much weight. And pardon my ignorance but I can't imagine that many white people have lived/grew up in black communities around that time. White people can debate all they want about a particular black artist's influence on the black community but if they are not part of the community themselves then I personally would take their opinion with a pinch of salt.

[dnyk1337]

Well unless you grew up as a white man in 1950/60/70's america living in a black community, your opinion would not hold much weight. And pardon my ignorance but I can't imagine that many white people have lived/grew up in black communities around that time. White people can debate all they want about a particular black artist's influence on the black community but if they are not part of the community themselves then I personally would take their opinion with a pinch of salt.

Oh, in that case yes. You're pretty correct. I don't know what the people during those times grew up on. I was just speaking in more present terms.

[LJJ]

Well unless you grew up as a white man in 1950/60/70's america living in a black community, your opinion would not hold much weight. And pardon my ignorance but I can't imagine that many white people have lived/grew up in black communities around that time. White people can debate all they want about a particular black artist's influence on the black community but if they are not part of the community themselves then I personally would take their opinion with a pinch of salt.
People know things about the past. Even though they weren't actually there. Quite shocking isn't it?

Your pseudo intellectual schtick is not very convincing to be honest. Pardon your ignorance indeed.

[Bean]

People know things about the past. Even though they weren't actually there. Quite shocking isn't it?

Your pseudo intellectual schtick is not very convincing to be honest. Pardon your ignorance indeed.

Wow.

Got a little bit of sand in your ****** little Johnny?

Of course I realise people know things about the past you fu*king used tampon. People are talking about whats popular and influential among black people when they're not even fu*king black themselves. Do you not see something out of place there?





If you are black though, this should all blow back in my smug little face.

[johndeeregreen]

This is influence on music in general. Not black musicians and not black community.

http://www.bet.com/Music/msc_fb_top25influencersinmusic_1.29.09.htm?i=0
In that case, BET officially can get ****ed.

Jay-Z > Hendrix still?:oldlol:

[~LA's fine$t~]

Ok Bob Marley I can understand, but I figured Jimi would at least be next or at the very least 5th on that list.

Please tell me BET just ranked most influential black people because not having a guy like Bob Dylan or John Lennon is preposterous.

[johndeeregreen]

Please tell me BET just ranked most influential black people because not having a guy like Bob Dylan or John Lennon is preposterous.
It's BET, why would they care about white people? Judging by their list they seem to perish the thought that their black viewership could ever enjoy music made by a white guy, so they just stuffed the list with thug rappers instead.

[Dasher]

List is not a ranking.

[johndeeregreen]

List is not a ranking.
List sucks.

[Brunch@Five]

This list is not in order, guys. Take a list at the other lists on that site and it becomes obvious none of them are in order.

[Dasher]

List sucks.It makes more sense when you read the entries. What an artist did outside of music means a great deal on this list, and is the reason why some of the artists are included.

[ikoiko]

maybe the biggest omission from this list:

nile rodgers. stripped down disco music to its core and thus created the foundation for house music and every other modern dance music genre. including one of the building blocks for hip hop. that makes him more influential than half that list. at least.

[Dasher]

Chaka Khan seems to have the spot that should have went to Nile, but Nile does not seem to have the name recognition that BET was going for.

[dyna]

Peter Tosh > Bob Marley
:hammerhead:

[dyna]

Bob was my role model............ But I actually agree....

Bob was an acceptable version of Peter Tosh... Bob was alot more marketable than peter and had this charm that few people have..

But Peter was full of fire.

No man Maybe here, but all around the world is Bob Marley>>>>>>>Peter Tosh :eek:

[ikoiko]

Chaka Khan seems to have the spot that should have went to Nile, but Nile does not seem to have the name recognition that BET was going for.

maybe. if so, that's pretty sad.

[pete's montreux]

House music isn't black enough. Too asian.

[Dasher]

maybe. if so, that's pretty sad.It's why Robert Johnson did not make the list. If no one know what you did, it is hard to be influential. Plus, in the states House Music can be regional. There are parts of the states where it never really got any traction.

[ikoiko]

House music isn't black enough. Too asian.

:oldlol:

[ikoiko]

It's why Robert Johnson did not make the list. If no one know what you did, it is hard to be influential. Plus, in the states House Music can be regional. There are parts of the states where it never really got any traction.

well, without nile rodgers no dance music would sound as it does today. not house, not hip-hop, not techno, not baltimore club music.

And I thoguht we re-interpreted the list to mean globally influential artists? not that i think this disqualifies nile rodgers from my list.

But: if it's globally influential artists, bob marley at the top is a good choice. if it's influential artists in the states, marley over james brown is laughable.

[L.Kizzle]

Hendrix has influence almost every one on that list who came after him, hell even some before him. Also, he was very influential behind the scenes in the studio.

Still, JB should be tops on the list. And Ray Charles and Stevie and MG should be higher.

[Rasheed1]

No man Maybe here, but all around the world is Bob Marley>>>>>>>Peter Tosh :eek:


Im not talking about who is more popular.... Im talking about who had the message...

Bob had a message for people... but if you ever listen to Peter Tosh, its like Bob Marley only with more fire

Peter & Bob were both rebels in their souls, but Bob was more acceptable to the masses so he was the front man for the Wailers..

[Akrazotile]

:lol

[Akrazotile]

Im not talking about who is more popular.... Im talking about who had the message...

Bob had a message for people... but if you ever listen to Peter Tosh, its like Bob Marley only with more fire

Peter & Bob were both rebels in their souls, but Bob was more acceptable to the masses so he was the front man for the Wailers..


I looked this thread up because I've been on a Tosh binge lately. I thought I remembered years back Dasher said Tosh > Marley and I was incredulous, thought this might have been the thread it was in.

But now, I have to reverse course. It's a pick 'em. Might even go with Tosh.

[tmacattack33]

True, also who the hell looks up Mary J Blidge? There is about ten just on this list who were influenced by Jimi, none by Mary J. And LOL at JB being six, and his two main disciples at 2 and 3.

Umm, Alicia Keys, Beyonce, and probably every female R&B artist from 1995-2005.

[KyrieTheFuture]

This isn't about skill, it's about influence. I guarantee Marley influenced more than Tosh

[masonanddixon]

The real top 10 should be (at least in the post-classic era)

1. Miles
2. Charlie Parker
3. Phil Woods
4. Lester The President Young
5. Bill Evans
6. Coltrane
7. Duke the King of Swing Ellington
8. Wayne Shorter
9. Beatles
10. Steely Dan

[Overdrive]

I looked this thread up because I've been on a Tosh binge lately. I thought I remembered years back Dasher said Tosh > Marley and I was incredulous, thought this might have been the thread it was in.

But now, I have to reverse course. It's a pick 'em. Might even go with Tosh.

I personally like Bob Marley the artist way more. Peter Tosh is more of a Malcolm X to Marley's MLK and although similar in message the open arms of Marley are more attractive to me than Peter's wagging finger.

About the original premise:

People here in the past disregarded Marley a little but Hendrix heavily for being less (or almost not influental at all) on the black community/music than the white.

Imo Hendrix, Marley, Ray Charles and Chuck Berry/Little Richard are the most influental black artists to the black community, black music and music as a whole.

Hendrix: He was big among whites, when blacks and white were still often seperated and people were not long removed from fighting for bus seats, access to schools etc. Hendrix was the first to get white people to pick up a guitar and wanting to be like him. Not just listening to his music or in rare cases playing it. The wanted to be this free wild man on stage. Never has a black man had so much influence on a white audience.

He made it acceptable to be black and a white men's favourite. Today a big part of pop music is so called black music and who's buying it? You think 100% of straight outta compton went to black ghetto kids? I'd bet alot more copies were sold to none blacks and a big part of it is thanks to Hendrix. He was part but also motor of a cutural revolution that among other things made big monetary benefits and mainstream acceptance for black artists possible.

Berry: It's in the vein of Hendrix. He was aside from little Richard the guy who made blacks on mostly white popchart lists acceptable. A success story like motown wouldn't have been possible without that guy. Similar to rap these days it was black music, but it generated alot of money by whites. Unlike Hendrix he was mostly an idol to people, who already were musicians.
Little Richards: He was like Berry, but he was less influental in bringin black pop music into white spheres and by thus opening the market, but he was way more influental in givin black pop music an identy.

Ray Charles: There's no soul or R&B without this man. Imo every other artist on that list who doesn't play jazz or straight up blues owes to this man. Judging by straight musical influence among blacks this man is the greatest black artist ever imo JB being a close 2nd.

Marley: Outside of Jamaica Marley mostly is the sole reason worldwide for people playing and listening a certain genre. No artist on ths list comes close in this regard about being important for one genre. Aside from that he had the same cultural, uniting impact on "races" Hendrix had, but imo his impact goes way further than music itself. He helped to tear down prejudices. His positive message was packaged in music the whitest of whites, the chinesest of chinese and so on could groove to. This man opened up the world a bit and by that helped the black community and effectively any community world wide, even if just a little bit.

[L.Kizzle]

So this is about which black artists influenced other black artists the most?

Because Hendrix pretty much only influenced Ernie Isley, Eddie Hazel and white artists.


Anyways, the list is a combination of great artists an not so great ones.
What? And your music knowledge is really good, too. To say Hendrix only influenced Ernie and Eddie is preposterous. He was gonna work with Miles Davis, James Brown dug him. Little Richard knew how good he was, so he had to let him go. The Jackson 5 were very into him. Uh, Prince. Guitarist Jesse Johnson from the time. Sly Stone.

His three studio albums were top ten on the black charts. And his records after death charting high on the black side too.

[L.Kizzle]

Umm, Alicia Keys, Beyonce, and probably every female R&B artist from 1995-2005.
Beyonce was influenced by artist like TLC, Janet Jackson and Aaliyah.

[FKAri]

If the criterion was "black artists who influenced music in general" it would be tough but I would probably go with James Brown at the top. If the criterion was "black artists who influenced black artists" it should definitely be James Brown at the top.

James Brown's impact on rnb, rock, funk and pop is immense. He's black Elvis as far as I'm concerned.

After that it gets hard. Prince def shouldn't be number 3 tho and I love him. There's just too many people that came before him who've had a wider and deeper influence. For one, Hendrix has to be above him. I don't know about the rest. I'd have to think about it.

[Akrazotile]

If the criterion was "black artists who influenced music in general" it would be tough but I would probably go with James Brown at the top. If the criterion was "black artists who influenced black artists" it should definitely be James Brown at the top.

James Brown's impact on rnb, rock, funk and pop is immense. He's black Elvis as far as I'm concerned.

After that it gets hard. Prince def shouldn't be number 3 tho and I love him. There's just too many people that came before him who've had a wider and deeper influence. For one, Hendrix has to be above him. I don't know about the rest. I'd have to think about it.


This is definitely Little Richard IMO and frankly it's not close.

Also Ike Turner should be on this list.

[LJJ]

What? And your music knowledge is really good, too. To say Hendrix only influenced Ernie and Eddie is preposterous. He was gonna work with Miles Davis, James Brown dug him. Little Richard knew how good he was, so he had to let him go. The Jackson 5 were very into him. Uh, Prince. Guitarist Jesse Johnson from the time. Sly Stone.

His three studio albums were top ten on the black charts. And his records after death charting high on the black side too.

Prince talking about being influenced by Jimi Hendrix:


What do you think about the comparisons between you and Jimi Hendrix?

It's only because he's black. That's really the only thing we have in common. He plays different guitar than I do.

:yaohappy:

And he's the closest to Jimi of anyone you listed. Liking something is not the same thing as being influenced by it. None of those artists show any discernible Hendrix influence in their music, clearly all of them had much much bigger influences.



I'm just laughing because you just got called a racist by Prince.

http://i.imgur.com/XYwOZSL.gif

[tmacattack33]

Not taking this seriously with no Gucci mane, not even future?


:biggums:

I have no clue exactly what new styles Gucci Mane brought to hip hop, so no he doesn't belong and will never belong on such a list.

Future is influential but he just came out, so his influence won't even be fully felt for another 15 years, when you get new artists coming into the game in 2025 saying that they listened to Future when they were kids. Come back to this list in 2030 and see if Future is on there.

[DonDadda59]

I'm just laughing because you just got called a racist by Prince.

http://i.imgur.com/XYwOZSL.gif

:lol


But now, I have to reverse course. It's a pick 'em. Might even go with Tosh.

I've been of this opinion for a long time. You can see why Bob had a much larger mainstream/pop presence. Tosh simply didn't give a f*ck and that shone through in his music. 'Stepping Razor' and especially 'I am that I am' are personal favorites of mine. :rockon:

[SugarHill]

fvcking diddy?

[L.Kizzle]

Prince talking about being influenced by Jimi Hendrix:



:yaohappy:

And he's the closest to Jimi of anyone you listed. Liking something is not the same thing as being influenced by it. None of those artists show any discernible Hendrix influence in their music, clearly all of them had much much bigger influences.



I'm just laughing because you just got called a racist by Prince.

http://i.imgur.com/XYwOZSL.gif
Prince mentioned Hendrix when he was inducted into the Hall of Fame (UK, that is.)

Do you really think Prince is not the least influenced by Hendrix? Not even a tiny bit? Prince has said a lot of (crazy) things over the years.

[LJJ]

Prince mentioned Hendrix when he was inducted into the Hall of Fame (UK, that is.)

Do you really think Prince is not the least influenced by Hendrix? Not even a tiny bit? Prince has said a lot of (crazy) things over the years.

I have no idea if Prince was influenced by Hendrix a "tiny bit" or not. Hendrix changed the guitar game. Almost every guitar player after Hendrix who plays rock music at least somewhat, you can point at and say "Hendrix did it".

But the only reason you are putting two and two together here is because they are both black master guitar players. If you listen to early Prince records it's really, really hard to find any Hendrix in there. He has that single one hard, fuzz guitar track that you can call "Hendrix influence", if you want to call literally every heavy guitar peace "Hendrix influenced".

The point I was making in this thread seven years ago is that you can point at hundreds of major bands and artists in the early seventies who took directly from Hendrix. You can hear it within the first 10 seconds of putting on their albums. And maybe a small handful of those were black, like Eddie Hazel. Then you go mention a couple of guys who absolutely sound nothing like Hendrix.

Go listen to Never Can Say Goodbye, Gigolos Get Lonely Too and Voodoo Child right now and tell me you aren't reaching. Black musicians by and large just took their cues from a different place. And we should all be happy for it, I wouldn't want What's Going On or There's a Riot Going On to sound like they were referential to Hendrix.

[L.Kizzle]

I have no idea if Prince was influenced by Hendrix a "tiny bit" or not. Hendrix changed the guitar game. Almost every guitar player after Hendrix who plays rock music at least somewhat, you can point at and say "Hendrix did it".

But the only reason you are putting two and two together here is because they are both black master guitar players. If you listen to early Prince records it's really, really hard to find any Hendrix in there. He has that single one hard, fuzz guitar track that you can call "Hendrix influence", if you want to call literally every heavy guitar peace "Hendrix influenced".

The point I was making in this thread seven years ago is that you can point at hundreds of major bands and artists in the early seventies who took directly from Hendrix. You can hear it within the first 10 seconds of putting on their albums. And maybe a small handful of those were black, like Eddie Hazel. Then you go mention a couple of guys who absolutely sound nothing like Hendrix.

Go listen to Never Can Say Goodbye, Gigolos Get Lonely Too and Voodoo Child right now and tell me you aren't reaching. Black musicians by and large just took their cues from a different place. And we should all be happy for it, I wouldn't want What's Going On or There's a Riot Going On to sound like they were referential to Hendrix.
My mistake, when I say influence I don't mean just style of guitar playing. I was going more-so the whole thing. His style of clothing (a mix of Hendrix and Sly Stone and some Little Richard, especially his post Purple Rain and pre Diamonds and Pearls era.) And maybe not his guitar playing but the way he handles his axe. Too me, his playing is more Santana and maybe Jeff Beck than Jimi so, you're right on that aspect.