Mathius Appreciation Post

[undertaker21]

This post is made in appreciation of Mathius. This guy is a bundle of laughs. :D I just appreciate what he brings to the board, the smiles on everyone's faces when he imparts some brilliant knowledge on us. Here's to you Mathius. I love ya buddy boy. :hammertime:

http://www.balloonsalon.co.uk/images/product-images/Sunny-Funny-Smiles-airwalke.jpg

undertaker21

[blasian]

Nah, **** him.

blasian

[Sanity]

Mathius is cool cause he thinks for himself. I have to respect that

[Brujesino]

dude ruins all the fun

brujesino

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

OOO rock me O-Mathius
Rock me O-Mathius
Rock rock rock rock me O-Mathius
Rock me all the time to the top

[Bean]

People hate on Mathius because he can argue a point and back it up with legit knowledge. Top 5 poster.

[blasian]

Mathius is cool cause he thinks for himself. I have to respect that

There's a difference between thinking for yourself, and just being a prick.

blasian

[pete's montreux]

I bet he's nice in real life.

[blasian]

I bet he's nice in real life.


Originally Posted by blasian
You're probably a nice guy in real life. Pent up rage is never a good thing though. Talk to a close friend or relative. As long as its not the Uncle who molested you in the first place, thus causing your anger issues.


Originally Posted by Mathius
I'm not a nice guy.

Mathius

...

[pete's montreux]

Oh well. :oldlol:

[NY Comeback]

Mathius is ****ing hilarious. He just keeps it real.

NY Comeback

[Sanity]

People hate on Mathius because he can argue a point and back it up with legit knowledge. Top 5 poster.

intellect is frowned upon on this board. :cheers:

[-primetime-]

there are only 2-3 posters that I really wish were not here...

Mathius is not one of those few...

-primetime-

[D-Rose]

:lol

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

there are only 2-3 posters that I really wish were not here...

Mathius is not one of those few...

-primetime-

Who are the 3?

Seriously thought Mathius is a legend. He just reeks awesomeness, swagger, and valuableness to the ISH community. I can't imagine someone seriously hating on the poor fellow. He keepz the Video Game forum alive, and has an excellent knack at restraining both Homer Cav fanz and Lebron hataz. Bless the guy! And to think he used to work ridiculous days in a welding factory and at McDonald'z. Poor ol' grumpy fella!

[Gunnin4HoLeS]

I come out Gunnin ..who the hell is Mathius?

[-primetime-]

Who are the 3?

well...maybe more like one...

the other 2 I am kinda split on...I don't really care that much one way or another...I have gottin into it with pretty much all the well knowns here...it is just that there are a couple that seem to do very little other than annoy...

strange though...I can only remember getting into it with Mathius just one time...and that was just a stupid debate on wether or not bars should allow smokers in...

[ihatetimthomas]

Solid poster, has a lot of knowledge if you read between the anger.

[pete's montreux]

How can you work in a welding factory? Can you manufacture welds? :oldlol:

[pete's montreux]

well...maybe more like one...

the other 2 I am kinda split on...I don't really care that much one way or another...I have gottin into it with pretty much all the well knowns here...it is just that there are a couple that seem to do very little other than annoy...

strange though...I can only remember getting into it with Mathius just one time...and that was just a stupid debate on wether or not bars should allow smokers in...

I hope It's not me.

[-primetime-]

I hope It's not me.
:oldlol:

no...

funny though...the sarcasm that is

have we ever gotten into a fued???

I can't remember...

[StroShow4]

Mathius probably won't even appreciate his own appreciation thread.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e371/StroShow4/screenshots/sig.jpg

[pete's montreux]

:oldlol:

no...

funny though...the sarcasm that is

have we ever gotten into a fued???

I can't remember...

I think once, can't remember what it was though.

I just remember I won. Yep, I definitely won.

[-primetime-]

Mathius probably won't even appreciate his own appreciation thread.

that seriously would be strange if he came in here acting all freindly and stuff...

i think it would probably upset me if he did appreciate this...

[Dasher]

He didn't appreciate his first appreciation thread.

[Richie2k6]

Nothing better than Mathius vs Jeff.

[-primetime-]

He didn't appreciate his first appreciation thread.
link?


http://www.transdiffusion.org/tmc/cityroad/images/320netp1999primetime.jpg

[Lebron23]

Nothing better than Mathius vs Jeff.


Mathius as Steve Austin

Jeff as Vince Mcmahon

[CasterL]

hes a good poster, knows his stuff, very grumpy

his 'mathius' signoff is questionable though

[Dasher]

link?


http://www.transdiffusion.org/tmc/cityroad/images/320netp1999primetime.jpg
http://insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=100842

[Meticode]

Mathius probably won't even appreciate his own appreciation thread.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e371/StroShow4/screenshots/sig.jpg

:lol

[big baller]

He is the glaze on my donuts



big baller

[-primetime-]

http://insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=100842

he just never bothered to show up to his own party?

lol...kinda funny

[JJ81]

He's probably a virgin.

Mathius

[Maniak]

Hes OK.

Maniak

[Mathius]

I NEVER worked at McDonalds. MLH worked @ McDonalds and claimed it was the worst job ever. I told him he didn't know what the hell he was talking about.

Mathius

[Mikaiel]

I NEVER worked at McDonalds. MLH worked @ McDonalds and claimed it was the worst job ever. I told him he didn't know what the hell he was talking about.

Mathius

McDonalds worst job ever ? Wow. Try working in a food factory where you have to do the exact same motion for 8 hours. That job literraly drove me crazy. You feel like a damn robot, you can go one hour without thinking about anything. And I'm not exaggerating. It's horrible. It might not sound like it but trust me, it's hell. And being surrounded by a bunch of Polish guys who couldn't speak one word of English didn't help. And having to take 2 showers to get rid of the smell was a nice bonus too. That might not be the worst job ever but I'm sure in comparison working at McDonalds is a piece of cake. I haven't worked at McDonalds but I've worked in a fast food environment and it's not that bad. I'd rather clean the toilets, mop the floor and be someone else's b*tch than be a brainless robot for most of the day.

[Rockets(T-mac)]

For some reason I love seeing him argue with people, just so much love in the air afterwards. :lol

Rockets(T-mac)

[1~Gibson~1]

...:roll:

I still love Mathius though

no homo

[U got Served]

He's the idiot that said current Artest and T-Mac >>> Yao.
other than that he's a good poster. mad at life and his step dad, but descent poster.








Mathius.

[SCREWstonRockets]

People who take the actual time to manually write a "signature" are lame.

~$~SCREWstonRockets~$~

[mlh1981]

I NEVER worked at McDonalds. MLH worked @ McDonalds and claimed it was the worst job ever. I told him he didn't know what the hell he was talking about.

Mathius


Haha, yeah, your story pretty much took a sh!t all over my "worst job ever" description :oldlol:

[vapid]

Mathius SUCKS. I hate people who use signatures.








http://i472.photobucket.com/albums/rr82/sniu1/Photo54.jpg

[C-Webb4]

People hate on Mathius because he can argue a point and back it up with legit knowledge. Top 5 poster.
100% wrong. People hate on Mathius because he thinks he's ALWAYS right no matter what the topic is. It could be about fashion, the weather, sports, a woman, anything. Whatever it is, he knows it all and his opinion is LAW. And if you don't agree with him you're a dumb mother ****er who can't read.

:rolleyes:

[statman32]

Mathius SUCKS. I hate people who use signatures.








http://i472.photobucket.com/albums/rr82/sniu1/Photo54.jpg
Vapid>>Stro
:hammertime:

[B-Low]

100% wrong. People hate on Mathius because he thinks he's ALWAYS right no matter what the topic is. It could be about fashion, the weather, sports, a woman, anything

HEY Mathius knows fashion. Don't hate.

http://www.ridersargent.com/images/Statler%20and%20Waldorf%20pimps.jpeg

[Brujesino]

vapid's signature owns all:bowdown:

[Vragrant]

Mathius is funny. I like how he is constantly pissing people people off. I can see why guys get mad at him, but he really doesnt care. I remember him going at it with the Suns fans in a recent thread and I was cracking up.

[1~Gibson~1]

Mathius SUCKS. I hate people who use signatures.








http://i472.photobucket.com/albums/rr82/sniu1/Photo54.jpgi see you had a hard time shading in the top of that D

PS- r u a lefty?

[vapid]

I put a little more shade in the top of the D to give it that 3-D look. I'm not a lefty, but the cam i use flips things for some reason.

[hayden695]

i remember first coming on ish thinking wow this dude must be really smart he has super long posts and stuff, then i thought wow he seems like a know it all type, then i was like why the **** does he have that gay signature


hayden695

[rufuspaul]

He's the number one ISH hata,
Mathius,
A natural mastabata,
Mathius,
He'd love to tap a looka,
But he's born to be a schmooka,
Mathius.
His avatar will allude,
He's a nasty negro dude,
But in reality,
He's whiter than the Presbytery,
Mathius,
His ***** is microscopic,
His mind quite myopic,
He's a walking dickless dumbass,
Whose time has come to pass,
Good bye to the dickless motha****a,
Eat my **** and then get the falk outya,
I know that don't xactly rhyme,
But you're just not worth the time,
To get it right you worthless eunuch ****ka,
Mathius.

[west]

Mathius is right most of the time,but i think he is a little full of himself,and need to calm down

[FinishHim!]

Mathius is right most of the time,but i think he is a little full of himself,and need to calm down
Actually he's not right most of the time. If it's anything Cavs related, he knows his stuff. Anything else? he might as well just never post here. I remember just a week or two ago he was arguing about how Mr. Glass man Mcgrady was more durable and tough than Yao Ming. And how he would build a team around T-Mac before Yao.

[U got Served]

Actually he's not right most of the time. If it's anything Cavs related, he knows his stuff. Anything else? he might as well just never post here. I remember just a week or two ago he was arguing about how Mr. Glass man Mcgrady was more durable and tough than Yao Ming. And how he would build a team around T-Mac before Yao.

:roll: :roll: yeah I remember that.

Mathius.

[Brujesino]

if i remember correctly he also said karl malone shouldnt be in the hall of fame cuz if you cant win a championship with shaq and kobe you dont belong in the H.O.F

dont know if he changed his stance on that but i remember him saying that

[FinishHim!]

^^ yup I remember that one too. "If you can't win a ring with Kobe and Shaq, then you aren't HOF worthy." Man, the way some people will blindly follow a guy just because of his post count and the condescending way he writes is amazing.

[west]

Actually he's not right most of the time. If it's anything Cavs related, he knows his stuff. Anything else? he might as well just never post here. I remember just a week or two ago he was arguing about how Mr. Glass man Mcgrady was more durable and tough than Yao Ming. And how he would build a team around T-Mac before Yao.
oh did he???:lol i usually stop reading his post as soon as he start cussing:hammertime:

west

[U got Served]

oh did he???:lol i usually stop reading his post as soon as he start cussing:hammertime:

west


So you're done roasting Spudjay?


Mathius.

[Spudjjay]

So you're done roasting Spudjay?


Mathius.

It's hard to roast someone when you have the wit of an 8 year old child.


Spudjjay

[No.45]

Just wanted to post with my username underneath my post.



No.45

[U got Served]

It's hard to roast someone when you have the wit of an 8 year old child.


Spudjjay


:roll: :roll:

Is hard to lose a bet when you know you were wrong. :applause:


Mathius.

[west]

So you're done roasting Spudjay?


Mathius.
no,i'll never done roasting Spudjjay,and i'm pretty sure that i will be the last one to remove that avy:rockon:

west

[undertaker21]

Mathius is like the old guy next door on Dennis the Mennis.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51W25D7PBGL._SL500_AA280_.jpg

I appreciate him for bringing that consistent anger for me to laugh at.

[El Kabong]

He needs to get the sand out of his ******. Might make him a little less cranky.

[undertaker21]

i love Mathius

yes homo
:roll:
me too. If Mathius were the Sun, i'd tan in his masculinity. (Homo)

[Mathius]

Actually he's not right most of the time. If it's anything Cavs related, he knows his stuff. Anything else? he might as well just never post here. I remember just a week or two ago he was arguing about how Mr. Glass man Mcgrady was more durable and tough than Yao Ming. And how he would build a team around T-Mac before Yao.

Don't blame me because you're a f*cking idiot that can't read. I never said I'd build a team around T-Mac before Yao. Someone else said they'd build a team around Yao and I tore it apart.

I said I would keep McGrady and trade Yao and I said McGrady was a better player because he suits up for more games.

McGrady's got f*cking scoliosis and he suits for more games than Yao. But the f*cking dumbass Rockers homers (like the idiot in this thread whose on my ignore list) say he's a p*ssy and can't play through pain. :rolleyes:

You morons do know that every nerve in your body runs through your spine, right?

It must be easy to point me out as wrong when you don't pay any attention to what I actually said.

Building a team around Yao is like drafting a QB in the first round. You've got a 1/3 chance of not looking like a complete moron.

Mathius

[ManlyStanley69]

Don't blame me because you're a f*cking idiot that can't read. I never said I'd build a team around T-Mac before Yao. Someone else said they'd build a team around Yao and I tore it apart.

I said I would keep McGrady and trade Yao and I said McGrady was a better player because he suits up for more games.

McGrady's got f*cking scoliosis and he suits for more games than Yao. But the f*cking dumbass Rockers homers (like the idiot in this thread whose on my ignore list) say he's a p*ssy and can't play through pain. :rolleyes:

You morons do know that every nerve in your body runs through your spine, right?

It must be easy to point me out as wrong when you don't pay any attention to what I actually said.

Building a team around Yao is like drafting a QB in the first round. You've got a 1/3 chance of not looking like a complete moron.

Mathius

Calm down, little guy.

[Carbine]

Building a team around Yao is like drafting a QB in the first round. You've got a 1/3 chance of not looking like a complete moron.

Why does this make sense to you?

If there is a 33 percent chance that you don't look like a fool and end up having the next Peyton Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, Phillip or Tom Brady thats not such a bad thing.

[LJJ]

He'd love to tap a looka,
But he's born to be a schmooka,
Mathius.


:confusedshrug: :oldlol: Damn.

[Mathius]

Why does this make sense to you?

If there is a 33 percent chance that you don't look like a fool and end up having the next Peyton Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, Phillip or Tom Brady thats not such a bad thing.

Heath Shuler
Tim Couch
Ryan Leaf
Akili Smith
Todd Marinovich

want me to keep going?

Mathius

[Meticode]

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/Meticode/mathius_is_hulk.jpg

[rufuspaul]

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/Meticode/mathius_is_hulk.jpg

:lol Hey Meticode, you two have a baby yet?

[Carbine]

Listen,

If you tell me there is a 33% chance I get a HOF calibur player that will lead my team for the next 15 years, I'll take those odds.

If it doesn't work out, hey... it's only one draft pick. Do you want me to tell you how many first round picks have flopped in the last 10 years? Teams that have spent a first round pick on a DE, or a CB, that hasn't worked out?

If the pick flops, guess what? It's no excuse to miss on the following second, third, fourth round picks and so on. Wasn't James Harrison undrafted? All you have to do is look around and have good people doing their jobs to find peices to your puzzle.

Missing out on one pick is not an excuse for a franchise to be terrible. But if you're giving me a 33% chance that the pick will actually be someone on that calibur, you take it.

No question about it.

[Meticode]

:lol Hey Meticode, you two have a baby yet?

No my friend. Just yesterday she entered her 38th week. She's been ordered on bed rest from the doctor because while she was working her blood pressure was a little high and she was retaining fluid a little bit. Which isn't abnormal, but just a precaution. They might have had to induce her last Monday if things didn't change, but she passed a lot of fluid through her body and that got better and her blood pressure went down a little bit. The doctor would like her to get to at least 39 weeks before having to induce her. If things stay the same the way they are now the doctor just might let it happen naturally.

In any case the birth is coming soon and I'm excited.

[rufuspaul]

No my friend. Just yesterday she entered her 38th week. She's been ordered on bed rest from the doctor because while she was working her blood pressure was a little high and she was retaining fluid a little bit. Which isn't abnormal, but just a precaution. They might have had to induce her last Monday if things didn't change, but she passed a lot of fluid through her body and that got better and her blood pressure went down a little bit. The doctor would like her to get to at least 39 weeks before having to induce her. If things stay the same the way they are now the doctor just might let it happen naturally.

In any case the birth coming soon and I'm excited.

Awesome man. Get some sleep over the next 2 weeks.:D

[Meticode]

Listen,

If you tell me there is a 33% chance I get a HOF calibur player that will lead my team for the next 15 years, I'll take those odds.

If it doesn't work out, hey... it's only one draft pick. Do you want me to tell you how many first round picks have flopped in the last 10 years? Teams that have spent a first round pick on a DE, or a CB, that hasn't worked out?

If the pick flops, guess what? It's no excuse to miss on the following second, third, fourth round picks and so on. Wasn't James Harrison undrafted? All you have to do is look around and have good people doing their jobs to find peices to your puzzle.

Missing out on one pick is not an excuse for a franchise to be terrible. But if you're giving me a 33% chance that the pick will actually be someone on that calibur, you take it.

No question about it.

Don't argue or debate with him man. It's just a waste of your life typing out to him trying to have him see your point only for him to tell you you're an idiot, or moron or stupid-face.

[Meticode]

Awesome man. Get some sleep over the next 2 weeks.:D

I have, it's just been weird hours for me and work.

[Mathius]

Listen,

If you tell me there is a 33% chance I get a HOF calibur player that will lead my team for the next 15 years, I'll take those odds.

If it doesn't work out, hey... it's only one draft pick. Do you want me to tell you how many first round picks have flopped in the last 10 years? Teams that have spent a first round pick on a DE, or a CB, that hasn't worked out?

If the pick flops, guess what? It's no excuse to miss on the following second, third, fourth round picks and so on. Wasn't James Harrison undrafted? All you have to do is look around and have good people doing their jobs to find peices to your puzzle.

Missing out on one pick is not an excuse for a franchise to be terrible. But if you're giving me a 33% chance that the pick will actually be someone on that calibur, you take it.

No question about it.

For the record, it's actually less than 33%. 4 of the 20 QB's drafted in the 90's had a career QB rating of 80 or higher at the end of 2007. That's 20%.

If you're idea of successfully managing a first round pick is taking a 20% chance that you'll get a QB when there have been numerous superbowl winning QB's picked up in trades or free agency, I don't want to play for your team.

Mathius

[i seen hippos]

Mathius is a great poster.

An example of a bad poster is Bruinlove, Starface, etc.

[Carbine]

Then why did you say 1/3 in you post about it, then, if you KNEW it was actually 20 percent? Get your **** together.


If you're idea of successfully managing a first round pick is taking a 20% chance that you'll get a QB when there have been numerous superbowl winning QB's picked up in trades or free agency, I don't want to play for your team.

Several superbowl winning quarterbacks?

Lets take a look at that for a second.

In the last 17 years, quarterbacks that have won:

Tom Brady - 3
Eli Manning - 1
Peyton Manning - 1
Ben Roethlisberger - 2
Dilfer - 1
Brad Johnson - 1
Kurt Warner - 1
Elway - 2
Favre - 1
Aikmen - 3
Steve Young - 1

As you can see, 13 of those 17 were drafted by their teams and won a superbowl with them. Four of them were picked up in trades or free egency.

The last 7 of 8 winner quarterbacks, and the last six in a row have all been drafted by their teams. Obviously there were not "numerous" superbowl winners picked up in free agency or via trades. Even if we go way back, Aikmen/Montana were both drafted by their teams and won seven championships between them.

In today's league if you have a good/great quarterback? Management locks him up with a long term deal.

[rufuspaul]

Mathius is a great poster.


He sure is. Just ask him. He'll not only tell you why he's a great poster but as a bonus he'll throw in how bad of a poster you are and why.

[C-Webb4]

He sure is. Just ask him. He'll not only tell you why he's a great poster but as a bonus he'll throw in how bad of a poster you are and why.
Don't forget the pointless cursing and capital letters. That's always great.

[Meticode]

Don't forget the pointless cursing and capital letters. That's always great.

Like this?

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/Meticode/mathius_is_hulk.jpg

[Mathius]

Then why did you say 1/3 in you post about it, then, if you KNEW it was actually 20 percent? Get your **** together.

Obviously because I looked it up after, dumbass.



Several superbowl winning quarterbacks?

Lets take a look at that for a second.

In the last 17 years, quarterbacks that have won:

Tom Brady - 3
Eli Manning - 1
Peyton Manning - 1
Ben Roethlisberger - 2
Dilfer - 1
Brad Johnson - 1
Kurt Warner - 1
Elway - 2
Favre - 1
Aikmen - 3
Steve Young - 1

As you can see, 13 of those 17 were drafted by their teams and won a superbowl with them. Four of them were picked up in trades or free egency.

The last 7 of 8 winner quarterbacks, and the last six in a row have all been drafted by their teams. Obviously there were not "numerous" superbowl winners picked up in free agency or via trades. Even if we go way back, Aikmen/Montana were both drafted by their teams and won seven championships between them.

In today's league if you have a good/great quarterback? Management locks him up with a long term deal.

First off, you're dead wrong. Steve Young, Favre, Dilfer, Warner, and Brad Johnson didn't win titles for the teams that drafted them, which brings your count to 12/17.

Young was drafted by the LA express, and played for the Bucs as well before the 9ers. Favre was drafted by the Falcons, Dilfer by the Bucs, Warner was undrafted, originally signed by the Packers, and Brad Johnson was drafted by the Vikings.

Second, you can't give credit for multiple championships. My point was there are more busts than good QB's drafted. You can't count multiple championships because the players weren't drafted twice.

Which makes the real count 5 to 6, which is pretty damn even.

All of which doesn't change the fact that the # of busts far outweighs the number of successfully drafted QB's.

Mathius

[C-Webb4]

^^^:oldlol: to Meticode's pic

and to this:
I said I would keep McGrady and trade Yao and I said McGrady was a better player because he suits up for more games.

Current McGrady? Even before we knew he needed microfracture knee surgery nobody in their right mind would take current T-mac over Yao. Are you retarded or do you just hate Yao THAT much? Or is it a happy medium?

[Carbine]

Mathius, man... *shakes head*

Are you really like this all the time?

I especially like this...


Second, you can't give credit for multiple championships.

Uh...let me get this straight. I can't give credit to a player who was drafted by their teams and went on to win numerous chamopionships? Why is that?

Aren't we talking about potentially drafting a quarterback with a 33 (or apparently 20) percent chance of becoming a HOF calibur player that can lead my teams to hopefully not one championship, but numerous?

Yet I can't use the fact that Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, Aikem and Elway are all multiple winning superbowl quarterbacks? That's some **** right there.

Here is the bottom line. You take the chance because you can't just pick up quarterbacks that can lead your team to a ring off the streets or trade for them because other teams with the great quarterbacks will just not let it get to that point. They will either franchise them every year or most likely sign them to a long term deal.

[Carbine]

Where did you get 20 percent from, anyway? I just looked at the past 11 years and here are my results:

12 of the first rounf quarterbacks are duds.

12 of them have been the face of the franhcise, or will be soon in Flacco's case if Ray moves on.

5 are undecided as it's too early to call them a bust or a good pick.

and 1 is Chad Pennington, who is a quality guy in this league.

So really, the success is about 50/50.

[Raconteur]

Catz > Mathius

[FinishHim!]

He got it in the same place he gets most of his non-Cavs related material:

http://radio.weblogs.com/0001014/images/2003/03/20/headUpAss.jpg

It's funny to see him get called on it every once in awhile.:lol

[JtotheIzzo]

Mathius = Better than 90% of this board.

Fact, Jizzo deals strictly in facts.

[undertaker21]

Mathius = Better than 90% of this board.

Fact, Jizzo deals strictly in facts.
Agreed. Pretty soon i'm gonna declare a national Mathius day. Maybe in a week or so, where we all emulate the great one. I'll give you a glimpse.

F*ck you, you mother f*cking moron!

undertaker21 :D

[JtotheIzzo]

Agreed. Pretty soon i'm gonna declare a national Mathius day. Maybe in a week or so, where we all emulate the great one. I'll give you a glimpse.

F*ck you, you mother f*cking moron!

undertaker21 :D

LOL repped!

[DeuceWallaces]

I do not appreciate Mathius. I think he rarely knows what he's talking about.

[Mathius]

You're another stupid f*ck that can't read and has zero logic skills. Allow me to correct you:



Uh...let me get this straight. I can't give credit to a player who was drafted by their teams and went on to win numerous chamopionships? Why is that?

Because what I said was, that there are numerous quarterbacks out there who were acquired through free agency and trades that have won superbowls. I did not say there were qb's out there from fa and trades that won numerous superbowls.

You can't count a player twice because he's still one player, moron. I'm not talking about multiple superbowls. You brought that up. It doesn't disprove my point at all.

If you want to count the # of QB's who were drafted and won superbowls for that team, you don't count them twice. They're only one person, i.e. one draft pick.

It should be obvious.


Where did you get 20 percent from, anyway? I just looked at the past 11 years and here are my results:

12 of the first rounf quarterbacks are duds.

12 of them have been the face of the franhcise, or will be soon in Flacco's case if Ray moves on.

5 are undecided as it's too early to call them a bust or a good pick.

and 1 is Chad Pennington, who is a quality guy in this league.

So really, the success is about 50/50.

That's because again, you're an idiot who can't read.

What I said was that IN THE 90's, only 4 of 20 quarterbacks drafted IN THE FIRST ROUND, finished with a career QB rating of over 80 at the end of the 2007 season.

Read what I f*cking type.

Nothing about the last 20 years, nothing about "quality guy"s. READ THE F*CKING TEXT. It's a god damn message board. If you can't read messages, don't f*cking open the web page.

Mathius

[Kebab Stall]

I think Mathius is good poster. Sometimes I think he is wrong and I sometimes think that he doesn't have a clue what he's talking about, but every single poster here does that, so I can't really criticise him for that.

Overall, good poster.

I find it annoying, and ammusing, that some people here always think that he's pissed off or in a mood when he starts swearing. That's how he posts and he always posts like that.

[Carbine]

Why would you use the 90's as evidence of what happens in the here and now?

That's stupid in and of itself to begin with. A logical person would use recent history, right? So why did you use the 90's as your meter of success rate?


Because what I said was, that there are numerous quarterbacks out there who were acquired through free agency and trades that have won superbowls.

You're wrong. You don't go out in free agency and pick up a star quality quarterback to lead your team to a ring. It hasn't happened in six years, and with the way free agency is nowadays vs. the old days, you aren't going to be trading/signing any of the elite, or near elite quarterbacks.

Or has it happened the last six years in a row? Because apparently Ben & Tom don't count for their numerous rings, so is it the last 4 of 6? Even though the two un-accounted for championships were also won by a quarterback who was drafted by their team and not some guy picked up in a trade or free agnecy?

Your logic blows man.

[Mathius]

Why would you use the 90's as evidence of what happens in the here and now?

Because it was a hell of a lot easier to use a statistic I looked up than go through every QB from the last 8 years. Since there are very few quality QB's drafted overall, the sample should be very close at the end of this decade.

Also, LOGICALLY it makes no sense to take people from this decade, because the jury is still out on guys like Alex Smith, Matt Ryan, etc.



You're wrong. You don't go out in free agency and pick up a star quality quarterback to lead your team to a ring. It hasn't happened in six years, and with the way free agency is nowadays vs. the old days, you aren't going to be trading/signing any of the elite, or near elite quarterbacks.

Or has it happened the last six years in a row? Because apparently Ben & Tom don't count for their numerous rings, so is it the last 4 of 6? Even though the two un-accounted for championships were also won by a quarterback who was drafted by their team and not some guy picked up in a trade or free agnecy?

Your logic blows man.

My logic blows? You're over here talking about QB's and equating a quality QB with a superbowl. How long did it take Elway? How does Marino factor into that? Moon? Did he ever get one? Does Young get one if Montana never goes down?

Quality QB's aren't measured soley on Super Bowls.

Superbowls are about team games. Tom Brady doesn't win all those superbowls without a quality defense. Peyton Manning is living proof of that.

Do you really think Eli is responsible for the Giants superbowl? With his one spectacular play in the whole playoffs where he shrugged off that pass rusher to throw a TD?

My logic sucks? You're a joke. You come onto a basketball message board with a football avatar and you then you talk about sh*t that doesn't even make sense.

That 4 out of 20 figure I gave you? That was only QB's drafted in the first round. Want to talk about the other 100 QB's drafted in later rounds that didn't cut it?

Mathius

[Carbine]

You're right about one thing - quarterbacks shouldn't be ranked solely on how many championships they won.... but people do it anyway.

What I'm saying is, you need a certain guy to lead your team. History proves it. Save for a few teams with all-time great defenses (Ravens come to mind, Bucs come to mind also) you can't plug in any slightly above average quarterback and win.

Take a look at the list of superbowl winning quarterbacks from the past.

Ben Roethlisberger, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Troy Aikmen, Elway, Montana, Young, Favre, Warner, Simms...

That list has guys that are goig down, or will go down as top 10 quarterbacks. Tom is top five, Peyton is top five. Young is top 10. Montana is the greatest probably. Favre is top 10 easily. Warner is HOF calibur.

The guys who have won it that don't belong in that group in the same time span are Dilfer, Johnson, Rypien and Doug Williams. Two of those guys had all-time great defenses leading their teams, which don't come by often, and those other two I don't know their teams well enough to comment on.

History shows there is a strong connection between elite quartebacks and winning rings. Of course they all had good defenses/supporting cast, but the connection is still there.

[Mathius]

You're right about one thing - quarterbacks shouldn't be ranked solely on how many championships they won.... but people do it anyway.

What I'm saying is, you need a certain guy to lead your team. History proves it. Save for a few teams with all-time great defenses (Ravens come to mind, Bucs come to mind also) you can't plug in any slightly above average quarterback and win.

Take a look at the list of superbowl winning quarterbacks from the past.

Ben Roethlisberger, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Troy Aikmen, Elway, Montana, Young, Favre, Warner, Simms...

That list has guys that are goig down, or will go down as top 10 quarterbacks. Tom is top five, Peyton is top five. Young is top 10. Montana is the greatest probably. Favre is top 10 easily. Warner is HOF calibur.

The guys who have won it that don't belong in that group in the same time span are Dilfer, Johnson, Rypien and Doug Williams. Two of those guys had all-time great defenses leading their teams, which don't come by often, and those other two I don't know their teams well enough to comment on.

History shows there is a strong connection between elite quartebacks and winning rings. Of course they all had good defenses/supporting cast, but the connection is still there.

Of course the connection is there. But you're overlooking the fact that there have been some pretty darn good QB's who have not won championships.

And how many QB's who have won superbowls had their legacy created by those Superbowls? Eli Manning is nothing special yet, but he has a super bowl, so you include him in your list like he counts. Ben Rothlesburger isn't anything to write home about either.

Kurt Warner was sacking groceries when they found him and he won a superbowl and did it damn well.

This isn't the 1980's anymore where all the QB's are found in the draft. Free agency is a bigger and bigger part of the game each year. Teams trade big named players all the time. Trades aren't as big in the NFL as they are in the NBA, but when they do happen it's usually signfiicant.

None of which means anything to me. You have yet to disprove my original point. Drafting a QB early is an extremely dumb move statistically.

Mathius

[Carbine]

How is it a dumb move when the last six champions have quarterbacks they drafted? How is it dumb when the success rate of drafting a quality player is right around 50%?

Ben Roethlisberger is nothing to write home about? That's incredible. He's an elite quarterback in the league with the likes of Tom Brady and Peyton Manning.

It's potentially an Elway/Montana/Marino thing with those three guys when we look back on it 25 years from now.


Free agency is a bigger and bigger part of the game each year. Teams trade big named players all the time.

Name me one quarterback, aside from Drew Brees, who is of quality that got trades or was signed as a free agent.

The top quarterbacks in the league, for the most part, have all played for one team.

Cutler, Rivers, Roethlisberger, Manning brothers, Brady, Palmer, McNabb, Romo...

Big trades for quarterbacks rarely ever happen. Big trades for any big time player rarely happen. What would make you think they happen "all the time?"

[HisJoeness]

Cheers to Mathius. Hoping his latter days will be greater than his past days.

:cheers:

HisJoeness

[Mathius]

How is it a dumb move when the last six champions have quarterbacks they drafted? How is it dumb when the success rate of drafting a quality player is right around 50%?

It's not 50%. Just stop.


Ben Roethlisberger is nothing to write home about? That's incredible. He's an elite quarterback in the league with the likes of Tom Brady and Peyton Manning.

Ben Roethlisberger is a mediocre QB who happens to play behind an awesome offensive line and have good people around him. He plays well in big games. Bryan Leftwich came in when he went down and had equal success.



Name me one quarterback, aside from Drew Brees, who is of quality that got trades or was signed as a free agent.

You just got 5 of them from the last post. Dilfer, Johnson, Favre, Young, and Warner were all acquired from free agency or trades. Warren Moon was still a good QB when he was traded. Montana got traded. There were trade talks for Elway. Bledsoe got traded. You're the one who just got done saying how Pennington was "a quality guy in this league." Which is bullsh*t btw, but he was still acquired from another team.

F*ck, learn a little history.

Mathius

[gotbacon23]

Name me one quarterback, aside from Drew Brees, who is of quality that got trades or was signed as a free agent.


steve young, brett favre, rich gannon, and randall cunningham are all quarterbacks who won NFL MVP on teams that they were traded to/signed with as free agents.

drew brees, kerry collins, kurt warner, matt hasselbeck, jeff garcia, jake delhomme, trent green, brad johnson, elvis grbac, mark brunnell, and steve beuerlein are all examples of quarterbacks who have made the pro bowl since the year 2000 while playing for teams they signed with or were traded to, rather than drafted by (and all those MVPs listed above made pro bowls too)

[Carbine]

Ben Roethlisberger is a mediocore quarterback?

I've heard it all now. Mediocore quarterbacks don't do what he does in big time situations. He leads the league in comebacks since joinging the league.

It's why Tom Brady is so highly regarded. He was considered a top two quarterback before he put up 50 touchdowns. It was because he came up big in playoff situations, late game situations, leadership/intangibels...

So why the double standard?



drew brees, kerry collins, kurt warner, matt hasselbeck, jeff garcia, jake delhomme, trent green, brad johnson, elvis grbac, mark brunnell, and steve beuerlein are all examples of quarterbacks who have made the pro bowl since the year 2000 while playing for teams they signed with or were traded to, rather than drafted by (and all those MVPs listed above made pro bowls too)

Garcia is not a quality quarterback. Quality is top 10. Garcia has never won anything. The times he has been in the playoffs? He's been average to poor. You don't win championships with him unless it's a Trent Dilfer situation.

Kurt was on his way out until he turned it around last year and this year. When he got traded or signed, whichever it was, he wasn't considered much.

Kerry Collins wasn't considered much when he signed.

Jake Delhomme either.

Trent Green going to the Dolphins wasn't big news. Not with all those concusions he had sustained.

Brad Johnson, who cared?

Mark Brunelle was on his way out when he went to another team.

Those weren't considered "big time trades or big time signings"

Mathius said that big trades happen "all the time" and that clearly is not the case. All those guys you mentioned were either past their prime, before their prime or just weren't that good. They were all ho-hum trades/signings.

The only time a very good quarterback has been traded or signed onto a new team in recent memory is Drew Brees. The franchise ones, the ones you typically win a championship with, don't get traded or released in todays league. They either are traded before they evolve into something special, or released at the end of their careers in which they clearly aren't the same quarterback as they once were.... like Steve McNair.

[gotbacon23]

Ben Roethlisberger is a mediocore quarterback?

I've heard it all now. Mediocore quarterbacks don't do what he does in big time situations. He leads the league in comebacks since joinging the league.

It's why Tom Brady is so highly regarded. He was considered a top two quarterback before he put up 50 touchdowns. It was because he came up big in playoff situations, late game situations, leadership/intangibels...

So why the double standard?



Garcia is not a quality quarterback. Quality is top 10. Garcia has never won anything. The times he has been in the playoffs? He's been average to poor. You don't win championships with him unless it's a Trent Dilfer situation.
he has made 4 pro bowls in his career. it may not be top 10, but thats not bad

Kurt was on his way out until he turned it around last year and this year. When he got traded or signed, whichever it was, he wasn't considered much.

Kerry Collins wasn't considered much when he signed.
kerry collins isn't great but he did lead the panthers to the nfc championship game in their first year of existence, lead the giants to the super bowl, and has been solid enough

Jake Delhomme either.
he lead carolina within a minute of being super bowl champs

Trent Green going to the Dolphins wasn't big news. Not with all those concusions he had sustained.
dolphins? who the hell cares about him signing with the dolphins. how about he started his career on the redskins, signed with the rams, signed with the chiefs where he made 2 pro bowls. or did you think the chiefs were his original team?

Brad Johnson, who cared?
brad johson has a super bowl ring and made the pro bowl with the redskins and bucs which BOTH aren't his original team (the vikings)

Mark Brunelle was on his way out when he went to another team.
mark brunells ORIGINAL team was the packers you dip, not the jaguars. how was he on the way out before he was even on the jaguars? he made 3 pro bowls on the jags which WEREN'T HIS ORIGINAL TEAM.

Those weren't considered "big time trades or big time signings"

Mathius said that big trades happen "all the time" and that clearly is not the case. All those guys you mentioned were either past their prime, before their prime or just weren't that good. They were all ho-hum trades/signings.

The only time a very good quarterback has been traded or signed onto a new team in recent memory is Drew Brees. The franchise ones, the ones you typically win a championship with, don't get traded or released in todays league. They either are traded before they evolve into something special, or released at the end of their careers in which they clearly aren't the same quarterback as they once were.... like Steve McNair.

:rolleyes:

[Mathius]

Ben Roethlisberger is a mediocore quarterback?

I've heard it all now. Mediocore quarterbacks don't do what he does in big time situations. He leads the league in comebacks since joinging the league.

It's why Tom Brady is so highly regarded. He was considered a top two quarterback before he put up 50 touchdowns. It was because he came up big in playoff situations, late game situations, leadership/intangibels...

So why the double standard?

It's called reality. The fact that you think you can compare Brady and Rothlesburger is retarded.


Mathius said that big trades happen "all the time" and that clearly is not the case. All those guys you mentioned were either past their prime, before their prime or just weren't that good. They were all ho-hum trades/signings.

Dude. Just quit. Just STFU. You can't read for sh*t.

Here's what I said:


Teams trade big named players all the time. Trades aren't as big in the NFL as they are in the NBA, but when they do happen it's usually signfiicant.

Nowhere does it say "teams trade big named quarterbacks all the time"

Dumbass.

You have not made one single point in this entire thread to oppose the fact that there are way more QB busts than successes in the draft, but you just keep babbling and babbling.

Might as well change your avatar to a WNBA team logo.

Mathius

[Carbine]

Mark Brunell falls under the "before his prime" card. He wasn't established while on the Packers. He became established during his time on the Jags, and was never traded until he was on his way out.

Clearly Brunell signing or getting traded to the Jags was not a big deal at the time - nobody knew he was going to turn out to be a solid starter in the league.

Jake Delhomme, when he was aquired by the Panthers, was not considered a earth shaker. It might have got mentioned a few times on ESPN, but it was not noteworthy enough to demand segment after segment on what experts thought about it. He became Jake Delhomme, the guy we now know after he got aquired by the Panthers. He was not a star durng his time with the Saints.

Again, Kerry getting signed by the Titans wasn't big news either. Just a vet going to back up a young quarterback. Kerry is not in his prime anymore and is on his way out, he probably has two more years left in him.

Trent Green made his mark on the Chiefs. He only played one season for both the Redskins and Rams, and was never really considered a franchise type guy on those teams. His prime was all with the Cheifs, and they didn't let him go until the end of his career.

When you have a quarterback that you can depend on, teams don't let them go until they are on their way out in most cases, or injuries take away thier ability to do the things they used to do - like Culpepper.

That's what I'm saying here.


Nowhere does it say "teams trade big named quarterbacks all the time"

Dumbass.

Big trades, regardless of position, do not happen all time time. They just don't. Give me the five biggest trades since 2000. Here is a head start, Portis/Champ.


It's called reality. The fact that you think you can compare Brady and Rothlesburger is retarded.

Please tell me how Tom Brady before he tossed 50 touchdowns was unquestionably better than Ben Roethlisberger is now. That it's even an insult to mention them in the same breath.

I'll be waiting for this - it should be a good laugh.

[Mathius]

Big trades, regardless of position, do not happen all time time. They just don't. Give me the five biggest trades since 2000. Here is a head start, Portis/Champ.

What the f*ck is wrong with you, you stupid ass? Why can't you read a god damn message on a message board? I said in the f*cking message that trades don't happen all the time, but when they do, they're big ones. God damn you're a f*cking moron. I even re-quoted that damn message for you!


Please tell me how Tom Brady before he tossed 50 touchdowns was unquestionably better than Ben Roethlisberger is now. That it's even an insult to mention them in the same breath.

I'll be waiting for this - it should be a good laugh.

wtf? He DID toss 50 touchdowns, why the f*ck would I leave that out of the equation?

You're such an ass.

PS: NONE OF THIS SH*T HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT MOST QB'S DRAFTED ARE A BUST.

Mathius

[Carbine]

Free agency is a bigger and bigger part of the game each year. Teams trade big named players all the time

That's what you said. You clearly didn't say "trades don't happen all the time," in fact I clearly see the "teams trade big named players ALL THE TIME."

Are you doing a complete 180 here? You either think they happen all the time or they don't... which is it? I'm confused.



wtf? He DID toss 50 touchdowns, why the f*ck would I leave that out of the equation?

Because he was considered a top two quarterback along with Manning before he tossed 50 touchdowns, so why can't Ben be considered one of the elite quarterbacks in the league when he basically has done the exact same thing Brady did before breaking the record?

I disproved your theory of not taking a quarterback in the first round when I said 50% of them turned out to be great picks in the last 11 years. What else needs to be said?

[SaS820]

And the battle continues...

[Undisputed]

What the f*ck is wrong with you, you stupid ass? Why can't you read a god damn message on a message board? I said in the f*cking message that trades don't happen all the time, but when they do, they're big ones. God damn you're a f*cking moron. I even re-quoted that damn message for you!

That's pretty intense.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[U got Served]

What the f*ck is wrong with you, you stupid ass? Why can't you read a god damn message on a message board? I said in the f*cking message that trades don't happen all the time, but when they do, they're big ones. God damn you're a f*cking moron. I even re-quoted that damn message for you!



wtf? He DID toss 50 touchdowns, why the f*ck would I leave that out of the equation?

You're such an ass.

PS: NONE OF THIS SH*T HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT MOST QB'S DRAFTED ARE A BUST.

Mathius


:roll: Yup, mad at life and mad at his stepdad.




Mathius.

[1~Gibson~1]

What the f*ck is wrong with you, you stupid ass? Why can't you read a god damn message on a message board? I said in the f*cking message that trades don't happen all the time, but when they do, they're big ones. God damn you're a f*cking moron. I even re-quoted that damn message for you!



wtf? He DID toss 50 touchdowns, why the f*ck would I leave that out of the equation?

You're such an ass.

PS: NONE OF THIS SH*T HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT MOST QB'S DRAFTED ARE A BUST.

Mathius:roll:

i love mathius

[Mathius]

That's what you said. You clearly didn't say "trades don't happen all the time," in fact I clearly see the "teams trade big named players ALL THE TIME."

Are you doing a complete 180 here? You either think they happen all the time or they don't... which is it? I'm confused.

That's because you're A F*CKING MORON! Yeah, it clearly doesn't say "trades don't happen all the time" if you take the god damn message out of context.

If you quoted the whole god damn messages it says clearly that trades don't happen as much as the NBA, but when they DO, it's a big deal.

So let me break it down simpler for you, a-hole since you are a f*cking moron and need more clarification.

Trades in the NFL don't happen very often compared to the NBA.

When trades DO happen in the NFL, BECAUSE they don't happen very OFTEN, they are usually a big deal.



Because he was considered a top two quarterback along with Manning before he tossed 50 touchdowns, so why can't Ben be considered one of the elite quarterbacks in the league when he basically has done the exact same thing Brady did before breaking the record?

WHICH IS WHY YOU CAN'T COMPARE QB'S FROM THIS ERA MORON. MOST OF THEM HAVEN'T BARELY GOTTEN THEIR NFL CAREER OFF. THAT'S WHY I TOOK A SAMPLE FROM THE 90'S YOU DUMB F*CK.


I disproved your theory of not taking a quarterback in the first round when I said 50% of them turned out to be great picks in the last 11 years. What else needs to be said?

YOU DIDN'T DISPROVE SH*T. YOU LISTED A BREAKDOWN WITH NO NAMES AND THEN USED YOUR OWN OPINION TO DECIDE IF THEY WERE QUALITY QB'S OR NOT.

Mathius

[Carbine]

Lol....

How am I suppose to take the message out of context. You said point blank that big name trades happen all the time in the NFL. So you compared it to the NBA, who cares? You still said big trades happen all the time in the NFL, which is so far from the truth.

Am I the only one confused here? He said this...


Teams trade big named players all the time

Then this...


When trades DO happen in the NFL, BECAUSE they don't happen very OFTEN, they are usually a big deal.


From March 1st to October 17th from the year 2007, 54 trades were done in the NFL. The biggest name? Randy Moss, who many thought was on the downfall of his career as Oakland only got a 4th rounder for him I believe.

Trades happen in the NFL. It's just that big time players rarely get traded. I doubt more than five big trades have happened in the 2000's. A very small percentage of trades involve big time players.


WHICH IS WHY YOU CAN'T COMPARE QB'S FROM THIS ERA MORON. MOST OF THEM HAVEN'T BARELY GOTTEN THEIR NFL CAREER OFF. THAT'S WHY I TOOK A SAMPLE FROM THE 90'S YOU DUMB F*CK.

This has nothing to do with your theory of quarterbacks being a bust 80% of the time. What on earth would make you type what I quoted in response to my question?

As far as the quarterbacks go, here are the results.

I won't name the 12 duds, since they are either out of the league or sitting on the bench.

Here are the 13 good picks that were/are the face of the franchise or were/are very good starters.

Peyton Manning
Phillip Rivers
Ben Roethlisberger
Eli Manning
Michael Vick
Donavan McNabb
Joe Flacco
Matt Ryan
Cutler
Rodgers
Cambell
Palmer
Culpepper

Then there are players such as Quinn, Lienart, Russell and Young who the jury is still out on.

[Mathius]

Lol....

How am I suppose to take the message out of context.

You're not smart enough to know what context is, obviously.



This has nothing to do with your theory of quarterbacks being a bust 80% of the time. What on earth would make you type what I quoted in response to my question?

As far as the quarterbacks go, here are the results.

I won't name the 12 duds, since they are either out of the league or sitting on the bench.

Here are the 13 good picks that were/are the face of the franchise or were/are very good starters.

Peyton Manning
Phillip Rivers
Ben Roethlisberger
Eli Manning
Michael Vick
Donavan McNabb
Joe Flacco
Matt Ryan
Cutler
Rodgers
Cambell
Palmer
Culpepper

Then there are players such as Quinn, Lienart, Russell and Young who the jury is still out on.

Several players on that list were drafted in the 90's moron, not this decade.

You're a f*cking moron. The fact that you keep replying and your responses get dumber and dumber are proof of this.

Mathius

[rufuspaul]

I love the fact that Mathius uses his own appreciation thread to pick a fight.

rufuspaul

[Carbine]

:oldlol:

A bunch? You can't be for real.... only Manning, Culpepper and McNabb were drafted in the 90's, late 90's at that...

Anyways, the fact remains... the last 11 years of the draft has given us around a 50% success rate of drafting quarterbacks, which is something you have yet to admit - EVEN THOUGH THERE IS CONCRETE EDIDENCE TO SUPPORT IT.

It's like saying you don't believe Person A murdered Person B, even though Person A admitted to it, has the murder weapon with his prints over it to go along with blood from the victim.

Stick to the Cavs - football isn't your thing. It would be like me talking about baseball - I would "own" myself with my lack of knowledge.... which is exactly what you're doing in this topic.

[Mathius]

:oldlol:

A bunch? You can't be for real.... only Manning, Culpepper and McNabb were drafted in the 90's, late 90's at that...

Anyways, the fact remains... the last 11 years of the draft has given us around a 50% success rate of drafting quarterbacks, which is something you have yet to admit - EVEN THOUGH THERE IS CONCRETE EDIDENCE TO SUPPORT IT.

It's like saying you don't believe Person A murdered Person B, even though Person A admitted to it, has the murder weapon with his prints over it to go along with blood from the victim.

Stick to the Cavs - football isn't your thing. It would be like me talking about baseball - I would "own" myself with my lack of knowledge.... which is exactly what you're doing in this topic.

You're an idiot. Where does it say "a bunch" in my post?

Where is this "concrete evidence"? So far all we have is YOUR opinion of who is a quality QB out of a list of starters you gave.

I'm talking about draft picks. You're talking about a bunch of starting QB's and listing who you think is quality and who isn't.

Your logic is right on par with your reading skills.

Concrete means it's hard, i.e. indisputable. Like when I say 4 out of 20 QB's drafted in the first round of the draft in the 90's have a QB rating of 80 or higher. That's concrete. It's a fact. It's indisputable.

Like I said. Change your avatar to a WNBA team, because you don't have a f*cking clue what you're babbling about.

You're a joke.

Mathius

[Mathius]

I love the fact that Mathius uses his own appreciation thread to pick a fight.

rufuspaul

You all got your insults in and I didn't say a word. All I did was correct some wrong statements.

Am I wrong? Dude thinks his opinion is "CONCRETE EDIDENCE" !

:rolleyes:

And misquotes or misreads just about every 3rd post I make.

Mathius

[Carbine]

I wouldn't be surprised if you went back and edited your post.

Anyways,


I'm talking about draft picks. You're talking about a bunch of starting QB's and listing who you think is quality and who isn't.

We're talking about first round quarterbacks in the last 11 years, to be more specific. All of those names I listed are quality picks. You think Philly regrets taking McNabb? Indi taking Manning? Giants taking Eli? Chargers taking Rivers? Ravens taking Flacco? Falcons taking Ryan?

The list goes on. They were all good/great picks and nobody on that list has busted.

It's basic math. If there are 12 duds, 13 good picks, 4 on the fence and another one that happens to be Pennington who was in some MVP discussions this year.... well, it's around 50% success rate.

That's concrete evidence. There is nothing about opinion or anything else right there.

What else needs to be said? You either agree that the success rate is around 50% (in which case you would be right) or you can disagree and be wrong.

Which is it?

[Mathius]

I wouldn't be surprised if you went back and edited your post.

Anyways,



We're talking about first round quarterbacks in the last 11 years, to be more specific. All of those names I listed are quality picks. You think Philly regrets taking McNabb? Indi taking Manning? Giants taking Eli? Chargers taking Rivers? Ravens taking Flacco? Falcons taking Ryan?

The list goes on. They were all good/great picks and nobody on that list has busted.

It's basic math. If there are 12 duds, 13 good picks, 4 on the fence and another one that happens to be Pennington who was in some MVP discussions this year.... well, it's around 50% success rate.

That's concrete evidence. There is nothing about opinion or anything else right there.

What else needs to be said? You either agree that the success rate is around 50% (in which case you would be right) or you can disagree and be wrong.

Which is it?

When you can learn to separate the words "concrete" and "opinion" you can come back and talk to me.

Mathius

[Mathius]

Want more concrete numbers? I spent the last hour compiling this sh*t just to prove what a dumbass you are.

From 2000-2008, there have been 23 QB's drafted in the first round.

Of those 23, 10 of them have QB ratings of 80 or higher. That's 43%. Not a very good statistic since some of those players have only played 1 season and some of them will no doubt improve. Hell, Eli's percentage is horribly low, but he didn't start playing well 'til last year.

Add that to the 4/20 from the 90's, that gives you 14 players of 43 from the last 18 years that have a QB rating of 80 or higher.

Which brings the total to 14/43 which is 33%. Or.... 1/3. Which is what I originally pulled out of my ass as a guess.

Don't f*ck with me, retard.

Mathius

[Glove_20]

Ok let me read these last 4 pages on Carbine vs. Mathius and use my exceptional analytical thinking ability to see who is right, and has defended themselves better. We'll see whose "logic" and philosophies are correct, and who is the real dumbass.

I don't really like either of the posters. I know Carbine in the past, and he's usually smart at whatever he's talking about. I said usually, sometimes he's kind of off, but still overall I see him as a smart poster. Mathius, never really debated with him or anything like that, but....ok lets just stop there...

[Carbine]

Why should we use players that were drafted 15-20 years ago?

Scouting has improved with time. That's why it's more logical to use more recent first round draft picks.

When people do studies and gather information, they use the late past (as in 15-20 years ago) as a point of reference, they don't use that information as the basis of their claim. You just proved how scouting has improved from 15-20 years ago to the last 11 years.

Heck, the most recent (past five years) first round quarterbacks have been an even bigger success.

From the last five drafts you got:

Flacco
Ryan
Rivers
Cutler
Roethlisberger
Rodgers
Cambell
Manning

All of which are the franchise quarterbacks of their teams. They aren't going anywhere anytime soon.

The duds have been Smith and Losman.

The guys who are still on the fence, could go either way... Russell, Quinn, Young, Lienart.

8 of the 14 are the starting quarterbacks of the future.

4 of them are on the fence (personally I feel Russell and Quinn will be fine, while the others might struggle)

2 of them are duds... so far.


Take from that what you will, but it's obvious to me and any other logical person that drafting a quarterback isn't a 20, or 33 percent prop anymore.

[Glove_20]

:oldlol:
Good one (Directed towards the debate in general)


I'll post my analysis later, and help end this.

[Mathius]

Why should we use players that were drafted 15-20 years ago?

Scouting has improved with time. That's why it's more logical to use more recent first round draft picks.

When people do studies and gather information, they use the late past (as in 15-20 years ago) as a point of reference, they don't use that information as the basis of their claim. You just proved how scouting has improved from 15-20 years ago to the last 11 years.

Heck, the most recent (past five years) first round quarterbacks have been an even bigger success.

From the last five drafts you got:

Flacco
Ryan
Rivers
Cutler
Roethlisberger
Rodgers
Cambell
Manning

All of which are the franchise quarterbacks of their teams. They aren't going anywhere anytime soon.

The duds have been Smith and Losman.

The guys who are still on the fence, could go either way... Russell, Quinn, Young, Lienart.

8 of the 14 are the starting quarterbacks of the future.

4 of them are on the fence (personally I feel Russell and Quinn will be fine, while the others might struggle)

2 of them are duds... so far.


Take from that what you will, but it's obvious to me and any other logical person that drafting a quarterback isn't a 20, or 33 percent prop anymore.

This is why you're a f*cking moron. Because you just assume that these guys are going to pan out, or that they're going to continue on the current trend. History tells us otherwise.

Only the QB's we still consider to be elite have maintained their greatness throughout their careers.

You keep wanting to pass off your own stupid opinion as proof that there is a greater success rate. Which is why I didn't want to use this decade's crop as evidence because we don't really know what those guys are going to do.

You're just too stupid to understand that. You just assume your stupid opinion is evidence enough.

Mathius

[Glove_20]

Ok time to come to some conclusions


Mathius vs. Carbine


Both you had some good points, so first of all both of you get credit. At the same time, both of you had some stupid points, all I could do is laugh and nod my head.


1. Let's start from the start. Mathius was talking about drafting QBs in the 1st round, I don't know why Carbine brought up Tom Brady, he wasn't even a 1st round QB pick. He wasn't supposed to be the face of the franchise, which was what Mathius was referring to. So Carbine wtf? At the same time, Mathius, didn't even bring that up. :confusedshrug:

2. 2nd, I love how the argument changes from drafting a HOF Caliber QB who leads his team to the SuperBowl, which was what was being talked about in the beginning, then later it was changed to just "good" QB. Whatever though...


3. I agree with Carbine's original premise that if there's a 33% chance you can get a HOF caliber QB that gets superbowls for you, take it.

Though that was weak from the start. First of all, Mathius was correct on you can't use "multiple" SuperBowl QBs.

And HOF QBs do not equal Super Bowl QBs. Mathius's logic was correct.

Which was probably the reason you guys shifted from talking about HOF/SuperBowl QBs to just "good QBs"


4. Both you made statistical errors, weak on both parts.


5. Mathius, your arguments were weak on the Big Ben vs. Brady topic, Carbine killed you there.

6. And then the whole "Big Trades happen all the time". First of all Mathius you could've been way more clearer on what you were saying. 2nd of all Carbine totally destroyed you when he brought up that data on all the NFL trades and how many of them were actually big.

Mathius had no respone.

In other words, Carbine killed you there as well.


7. Carbine was also correct that big name QBs don't move around. Only little names do, and they might become big from something small.



8. And now for the conclusion of this argument.


Carbine you are wrong, your 50% argument is not concrete. Nonetheless, it's still a very good argument.


9. Also the whole "how many years should be used". It's kind of a "recent sample vs. sample size" battle. Both should be considered. But when there is a good reason to use one of them, use it.

Carbine used modern scouting as the reason "Recent Samples" should be weighed more heavy. Sample size has its own obvoius arguments, but when there is a good reason to use "Recent Samples", then use them. I guess modern scouting is a decent reason, since neither me nor Mathius contended it.

And the whole "Pan out argument", if the QB is the face of the franchise right now, then it's ok. Plus Carbine discluded players who are still up in the air. The pan out argument is taken care of.

10. So I think it's safe to conclude, that there is about a 50% (probably around 40% since this 50% was based on Carbine's opinion") that a 1st round QB will be successful.


This is far greater than 33% or 20% that Mathius had suggested.


11. And if there is a 40-50% chance that your 1st Round QB will be a success, take him. QBs are very essential to the franchise, therefore getting those odds is very important. They are definately correlated with Super Bowl wins.

[Glove_20]

Conclusion: Both "got" each other at times. Both did a solid job arguing their case. Both were wrong at times.


However, sorry Mathius, but Carbine just has too much football knowledge for you. He "got" you more than you got him. His arguments, and therefore conclusion was stronger. Mathius was too narrow-minded it seemed. And sometimes Carbine got Mathius pretty good. In the end, Carbine just knew more football.

The "Logic" arguments were about even, so it wasn't really that one was smarter, or had better logic. But the "NFL" aspect of the argument Carbine took. And that's what put him over the top.




Winner: Carbine

[Mathius]

Conclusion: Both "got" each other at times. Both did a solid job arguing their case. Both were wrong at times.


However, sorry Mathius, but Carbine just has too much football knowledge for you. He "got" you more than you got him. His arguments, and therefore conclusion was stronger. Mathius was too narrow-minded it seemed. And sometimes Carbine got Mathius pretty good. In the end, Carbine just knew more football.

The "Logic" arguments were about even, so it wasn't really that one was smarter, or had better logic. But the "NFL" aspect of the argument Carbine took. And that's what put him over the top.




Winner: Carbine

1. You have way too much f*cking time on your hands moron.

2. You gave him credit for MY 33% that I threw out of the air (point 3 on your list, dumbass), and there were 23 QB's drafted in the first round in 2000-2007. Idiot didn't even mention most of them.

3. Again, you guys can play whatever dumbass opinion games you want, but you can take a "modern" sample as you put it because you don't know how their careers are going to end.

4. I didn't point out Tom Brady, because I didn't need to. I already pointed out the fact that retard was talking about Super Bowls when I was talking about draft picks.

5. His Rothlesburger = Brady argument has no weight in hell, because he asked us to discount Brady's best season of his career, and that makes it a joke. It DID happen, I'm NOT discounting it.

6. BTW. Eli Manning was traded for as well, which brought the count to 6 to 5 in favor of trades and free agents over draft picks.

WINNER: NOBODY: Nobody should have to listen to an idiot argue with me for 4 pages. I provided hard facts on page one, while he was still babbling about who HE thought was better.

Mathius

[johndeeregreen]

Carbine has been kicking the shit out of Mathius for the last couple pages, and (surprise!) guess who's the only one who can't see it.

[Mathius]

Carbine has been kicking the shit out of Mathius for the last couple pages, and (surprise!) guess who's the only one who can't see it.

I guess if going into a 5 page dissertation about how you think all these QB's who you picked to talk about are great who were drafted in the 1st round instead of using a concrete rating system that's been around since 1973 and the actual # of 1st rounders drafted since 1990, then you're right.

Of course the fact that you've already said you think I'm what was it? A "whiner" ? Might make you bias in some way, shape, or form.

Mathius

[johndeeregreen]

Of course the fact that you've already said you think I'm what was it? A "whiner" ? Might make you bias in some way, shape, or form.

Mathius
Well, let's make no mistake, you do behave like an infant whenever you start to sense that you might be wrong, but I actually think you're a pretty good poster most of the time. I'm not going to hold grudges against someone just because they behaved a certain way in a single thread.

But you are getting whipped here.

[Glove_20]

Well, let's make no mistake, you do behave like an infant whenever you start to sense that you might be wrong, but I actually think you're a pretty good poster most of the time. I'm not going to hold grudges against someone just because they behaved a certain way in a single thread.

But you are getting whipped here.

Agreed.

And what biases have I shown against you in the past?



And by the way, aren't you the guy who said Rodman could've been a better offensive player than Jordan if he worked hard enough on offense as he does everywhere else? Or something like that? :oldlol: Correct me if I'm wrong

[DeuceWallaces]

Well, let's make no mistake, you do behave like an infant whenever you start to sense that you might be wrong, but I actually think you're a pretty good poster most of the time. I'm not going to hold grudges against someone just because they behaved a certain way in a single thread.

But you are getting whipped here.

He gets whipped in a lot of threads.

[Dirkman]

Mathius is a first class idiot.

Not funny, the fact that he really thinks people actually think he is scary or impressive at all because he can say "****" or sound like a watered down smartass is pathetic.

Mathius, get a life, you ugly bum.

[Mathius]

But you are getting whipped here.

If you thought I got whipped in that, you're a bigger f*cking moron than I give you credit for. Here's an example of the 'logic' the idiot used:


Where did you get 20 percent from, anyway? I just looked at the past 11 years and here are my results:

12 of the first rounf quarterbacks are duds.

12 of them have been the face of the franhcise, or will be soon in Flacco's case if Ray moves on.

5 are undecided as it's too early to call them a bust or a good pick.

and 1 is Chad Pennington, who is a quality guy in this league.

So really, the success is about 50/50.

2 names in that whole mess, and not a single statistic. Just his word that 12 of the first rounders are duds.

And then there's the fact that he lists 12 1st round duds, 12 'faces of the franchise' and 5 undecided, plus Chad pennington, which if anyone is doing the math, equates to 30 players.

Unfortunately there were only 23 guys drafted this decade.

Then there's this gem:


Several superbowl winning quarterbacks?

Lets take a look at that for a second.

In the last 17 years, quarterbacks that have won:

Tom Brady - 3
Eli Manning - 1
Peyton Manning - 1
Ben Roethlisberger - 2
Dilfer - 1
Brad Johnson - 1
Kurt Warner - 1
Elway - 2
Favre - 1
Aikmen - 3
Steve Young - 1

As you can see, 13 of those 17 were drafted by their teams and won a superbowl with them. Four of them were picked up in trades or free egency.



Not only is the idiot trying to count players twice as if they were drafted more than once, but his count isn't even right.

For someone that supposedly "owned" me with his "NFL knowledge", you'd think he'd know that only 11 of those 17 players were drafted by the teams they won superbowls for, and several of them, (Warner, Brady) weren't even 1st round picks.

But yeah. I'm getting whooped by this retard.

Mathius

[Mathius]

Mathius is a first class idiot.

Not funny, the fact that he really thinks people actually think he is scary or impressive at all because he can say "****" or sound like a watered down smartass is pathetic.

Mathius, get a life, you ugly bum.

You know what, shut the **** up you stupid ***** ass loser. If you have something to say to me, man up and use your real account, ass.

Mathius

[U got Served]

You know what, shut the **** up you stupid ***** ass loser. If you have something to say to me, man up and use your real account, ass.

Mathius


ethug. :roll: :roll:


Mathius.

[Dirkman]

You know what, shut the **** up you stupid ***** ass loser. If you have something to say to me, man up and use your real account, ass.

Mathius
Lol, you're an idiot...If you weren't such an idiot, you would know that my "Real" acckount has been banned, you ugly ass...

and yes I do have something to say to you, maybe that's why I posted in the goddamn thread, you idiot...this is the internet, I'm not about to PM you like my name was HEilige

bet you won't post a picture of yourself, you ugly fu-ck

[west]

http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff322/yinwest/blackguyeatingcereal.gif

[Kobe24]

You know what, shut the **** up you stupid ***** ass loser. If you have something to say to me, man up and use your real account, ass.

Mathius

lmao @ man up and use your real account. :rolleyes:

[FinishHim!]

You know what, shut the **** up you stupid ***** ass loser. If you have something to say to me, man up and use your real account, ass.

Mathius
:roll: This is why we "appreciate" you so much Mathius.

[Mathius]

Lol, you're an idiot...If you weren't such an idiot, you would know that my "Real" acckount has been banned, you ugly ass...

And yet your dumbass is still here. What kind of a loser does it take to make up another account because you got banned from a message board. You need this place that much?

Loser.

Mathius

[Dirkman]

And yet your dumbass is still here. What kind of a loser does it take to make up another account because you got banned from a message board. You need this place that much?

Loser.

Mathius
This place is pretty entertaining to me. Very entertaining actually. That's the reason I frequent it.

You on the other hand, have no friends to vent to and no one who loves you, and no female who will let you slide in her cooch, so you get angry on a message board. You are clearly the BIGGEST loser.

[pete's montreux]

:oldlol:

[west]

http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff322/yinwest/MichaelJacksonThrillerPopcorn.gif

[FinishHim!]

And yet your dumbass is still here. What kind of a loser does it take to make up another account because you got banned from a message board. You need this place that much?
Loser.

Mathius
:oldlol: I actually find that statement quite comical coming from someone who practically lives here.
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h128/ewil_23/m1-1.jpg

[1~Gibson~1]

:oldlol: I actually find that statement quite comical coming from someone who practically lives here.
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h128/ewil_23/m1-1.jpg#4

:hammertime:

last week was the last week until the trading deadline, so yeah i was kinda GLUED to the internet :lol

[Dirkman]

:oldlol: I actually find that statement quite comical coming from someone who practically lives here.
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h128/ewil_23/m1-1.jpg
PWND

http://pwnedvideo.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/pwned.jpg

[Mathius]

:oldlol: I actually find that statement quite comical coming from someone who practically lives here.


Yeah, gee. I peaked at 400 in the last week after only 6000 over the last 3 years. Someone call a shrink and get me help. :rolleyes:

Any other dumb facts you want to point out that are irrelevant?

I don't have a single extra account anywhere on any message board, and I frequent a bunch of them off and on, so you're looking in the wrong haystack. You can have Jeff verify that with my IP if you want, but don't be surprised if he ignores you and finds your request dumb as f*ck.

WTF kind of loser is banned from a board.. basically they tell you they don't want you... but you create another account because you just HAVE to post?

Mathius

[Dirkman]

Yeah, gee. I peaked at 400 in the last week after only 6000 over the last 3 years. Someone call a shrink and get me help. :rolleyes:

Any other dumb facts you want to point out that are irrelevant?

I don't have a single extra account anywhere on any message board, and I frequent a bunch of them off and on, so you're looking in the wrong haystack. You can have Jeff verify that with my IP if you want, but don't be surprised if he ignores you and finds your request dumb as f*ck.

WTF kind of loser is banned from a board.. basically they tell you they don't want you... but you create another account because you just HAVE to post?

Mathius
Wow, what a funny ugly guy.

So by "Mathius" Logic (aka Groundskeeper Willie logic), the guy who leads The ENTIRE Forum in posts in a week (Mathius) by a 30 post margin over someone who needs two slots to list his post count (primetime) is a lesser loser than someone who doesn't post as much and gets banned because of steve's heroine filled tirades.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Mathius]

Wow, what a funny ugly guy.

So by "Mathius" Logic (aka Groundskeeper Willie logic), the guy who leads The ENTIRE Forum in posts in a week (Mathius) by a 30 post margin over someone who needs two slots to list his post count (primetime) is a lesser loser than someone who doesn't post as much and gets banned because of steve's heroine filled tirades.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Actually I'm gonna go with you getting banned because you're an idiot. The fact that you posted a picture in response to a message pretty much nails it. You're what? About 12? Or is that just your mental age?

Like I said, I've been here 6 years and I have less than 7500 posts. I'm not even in the top 50. But there are people who've been here a year with more. I feel pretty good about being able to walk away from this place.

Mathius

[DeuceWallaces]

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h128/ewil_23/m1-1.jpg

Ha, isn't that just a great list of quality posters.

[Mathius]

Ha, isn't that just a great list of quality posters.

Your name isn't on it, so its definitely got potential.

Mathius

[Dirkman]

Actually I'm gonna go with you getting banned because you're an idiot. The fact that you posted a picture in response to a message pretty much nails it. You're what? About 12? Or is that just your mental age?

Like I said, I've been here 6 years and I have less than 7500 posts. I'm not even in the top 50. But there are people who've been here a year with more. I feel pretty good about being able to walk away from this place.

Mathius
Uhmmm no..The fact that I posted a picture to a message shows no indication of my mental age. The fact that you are the leading poster the past week by far and away and yet accuse others of being a loser is highly hypocritical, and shows your diminutive mental age.

the bottom line is you haven't walked away from this place, so your point is moot. Until Mathius leaves ISH for good, then he's just an ugly hypocrite.

[FinishHim!]

I feel pretty good about being able to walk away from this place.
I personally doubt that. I'm thinking your real life is pretty pathetic and that an online message board is the only way you can talk in an authoritative and diminishing way to your fellow posters. In real life as others have said in this thread, you're probably one of those disgruntled guys who murmers to himself as you walk by. For someone who supposedly hates everyone on this website, you post here far to consistently. So, you must hate your real life a lot more and that's the only way it'd make sense.

[Mathius]

I personally doubt that. I'm thinking your real life is pretty pathetic and that an online message board is the only way you can talk in an authoritative and diminishing way to your fellow posters. In real life as others have said in this thread, you're probably one of those disgruntled guys who murmers to himself as you walk by. For someone who supposedly hates everyone on this website, you post here far to consistently. So, you must hate your real life a lot more and that's the only way it'd make sense.

Of course I hate my life, dumbass. I've said that multiple times on here. WTF does that have to do with anything.

I realize you guys are a bunch of morons, but you DO realize that it says joined in 2006 next to my name with the 7000 whatever posts, right?

I know retards like you aren't good at math, but that comes out to about a half a post a day for the last 3 years.

So I'd have to make another 5000 posts this week just to average 1 post a day.

So you got anything else, retard?

Mathius

[Mathius]

Uhmmm no..The fact that I posted a picture to a message shows no indication of my mental age.

That's where you'd be wrong. Adults talk with words. Idiot kids use pictures to communicate.

Mathius

[west]

I know retards like you aren't good at math, but that comes out to about a half a post a day for the last 3 years.

So I'd have to make another 5000 posts this week just to average 1 post a day.

So you got anything else, retard?

Mathius
wait...you average 8.57 post per day.....

[Dirkman]

Of course I hate my life, dumbass. I've said that multiple times on here. WTF does that have to do with anything.

I realize you guys are a bunch of morons, but you DO realize that it says joined in 2006 next to my name with the 7000 whatever posts, right?

I know retards like you aren't good at math, but that comes out to about a half a post a day for the last 3 years.

So I'd have to make another 5000 posts this week just to average 1 post a day.

So you got anything else, retard?

Mathius

MAthius hates his life, What a whoop da de doo muthafu-cking surprise...
I'm going to laud you with the ultimate insult, I pity you.

[DeuceWallaces]

Your name isn't on it, so its definitely got potential.

Mathius


:oldlol: You're so witty! Why didn't you just tell me you're rubber and I'm glue, whatever I say bounces of you and sticks to me.

[Dirkman]

That's where you'd be wrong. Adults talk with words. Idiot kids use pictures to communicate.

Mathius

Pictures, you idiot, are worth more than a 1000 words.

Therefore, A Picture of you would be more self explanatory than the more than 1000 synonyms I could procure to call you ugly.

[Mathius]

wait...you average 8.57 post per day.....

Do the math, retard. I don't know where you pulled that statistic, but it obviously only keeps track of the days I bother to log in here. Which is almost never on the weekend.

Mathius

[Mathius]

Pictures, you idiot, are worth more than a 1000 words.

Therefore, A Picture of you would be more self explanatory than the more than 1000 synonyms I could procure to call you ugly.

You're already over 24 posts for one day, I can't believe that other idiot brought up my post count.

Mathius

[west]

Do the math, retard. I don't know where you pulled that statistic, but it obviously only keeps track of the days I bother to log in here. Which is almost never on the weekend.

Mathius
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/member.php?u=4841

[Sanity]

Holy ****. I had no idea I was posting that much. It'll be a smaller post count next time because I've learned the beauty of the ignore list

*Waits for idiots to say something to the extent of good cause your post suck and I'll put you on ignore. Not knowing my plan is to put the people who respond with such juvenile posts will be added to my ignore list*

[Dirkman]

You're already over 24 posts for one day, I can't believe that other idiot brought up my post count.

Mathius
dumbass, It's my first day, so clearly I would post a lot in a short span..

and because you have to have a minimum post count to make threads

[Kobe24]

Do the math, retard. I don't know where you pulled that statistic, but it obviously only keeps track of the days I bother to log in here. Which is almost never on the weekend.

Mathius

Not true at all. I once averaged 17 posts or so and stopped posting here for a few months and it went down to 8 or something like that. Mathius pulling sh!t from his ass again.

[1~Gibson~1]

Do the math, retard. I don't know where you pulled that statistic, but it obviously only keeps track of the days I bother to log in here. Which is almost never on the weekend.

Mathiusclick on your avy and you'll find out how many ppd you have

[Mathius]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/member.php?u=4841

I slipped a decimal, you're probably close on that.

Roughly 7100 posts in roughly 780 days. I apologize.

Mathius

[Dirkman]

I slipped a decimal, you're probably close on that.

Roughly 7100 posts in roughly 780 days. I apologize.

Mathius
I forgive you.

[Mathius]

I forgive you.Go f*ck yourself. I'm not apologizing to a loser who makes up another account when they're banned because they have no life.

If I wasn't watching a movie right now with my family, maybe I wouldn't have f*cked the math on that.

Mathius

[Dirkman]

Go f*ck yourself. I'm not apologizing to a loser who makes up another account when they're banned because they have no life.

If I wasn't watching a movie right now with my family, maybe I wouldn't have f*cked the math on that.

Mathius
MAthius, I won't fu-ck myself, because unlike you, I can fu-ck females. looking ass.

And By family, I take it you mean your mother and your father, who are kind enough to house your bum ass, certainly not a wife who has a pu-ssy, and kids whom you could express "love" to.

[Mathius]

MAthius, I won't fu-ck myself, because unlike you, I can fu-ck females. looking ass.

Is that supposed to say females who look like ass?

I'm done playing your dumb insult games. You get to go on my ignore list and I have nothing else to add to this thread until someone intelligent comes along. I'm not going to go through another 5 pages of pointless insults.

At least that Colts retard tried to make a point. I'm gonna think about sending him a PM and apologize. He may have been stupid, but there's obviously worse trash on this board.

Do be a peach and don't start a new account so I have to listen to your dumbass again.

Mathius

[Dirkman]

Is that supposed to say females who look like ass?

I'm done playing your dumb insult games. You get to go on my ignore list and I have nothing else to add to this thread until someone intelligent comes along. I'm not going to go through another 5 pages of pointless insults.

At least that Colts retard tried to make a point. I'm gonna think about sending him a PM and apologize. He may have been stupid, but there's obviously worse trash on this board.

Do be a peach and don't start a new account so I have to listen to your dumbass again.

Mathius
Even If I did have sex with ugly females ,that would still be a step above what your ***** enters (your hand filled with vaseline)

So I was a right, Mathius is an ugly middle aged man with no life whatsoever who gets no pu-ssy, and lives with his parents?

Tell me mathius, how does it feel to be a bum and have no ambition,hope, or potential to do anything great whatsoever, so we can put you on one of those PSAs warning little kids of the dangers of *********ing too much and not making any friends or any contacts that could help you not be a bum


Put me on your ignore list. You can't ignore the fact that you're a bum who has no recourse besides getting angry on a message board.

and you ****ed up on that last sentence, If you want to listen to me, I can make sure to start multiple accounts.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Dirkman]

Everytime you fu-ck up, Mathius, you try to put that fu-ckup on your ignore list.
The problem is that Life is too big for you to put on your ignore list, and that's probably why you're such a loser.

[hayden695]

Sometimes I REALLY want to vent about how $hitty my job has been lately, but the retards in the OT lounge wouldn't be sympathetic, they'd just start ripping on me for it.

I can't wait until I get through the union training, and then I can go work for someone else instead of my shi+ head boss if I want, and I will be making good money doing it.

Mathius

i found this in the cavs forum and found it funny considering mathius is never sympathetic and is ripping on guys for any little error they make

hayden695

[FinishHim!]

Do the math, retard. I don't know where you pulled that statistic, but it obviously only keeps track of the days I bother to log in here. Which is almost never on the weekend.

Mathius
Posting 411 times in a week requires you to, on average, post 58.7 times per day. and If you don't include the weekend, posting 411 times in 5 days would be about 82.2 times a day, which is a pretty steep number.

[johndeeregreen]

Posting 411 times in a week requires you to, on average, post 58.7 times per day. and If you don't include the weekend, posting 411 times in 5 days would be about 82.2 times a day, which is a pretty steep number.
Mathius getting sonned yet again. Redundant.

[DeuceWallaces]

i found this in the cavs forum and found it funny considering mathius is never sympathetic and is ripping on guys for any little error they make

hayden695

Haha, that is awesome. What a ****.

[Mathius]

Posting 411 times in a week requires you to, on average, post 58.7 times per day. and If you don't include the weekend, posting 411 times in 5 days would be about 82.2 times a day, which is a pretty steep number.

What are you some kind of broken record? You don't understand the word peak or what? Again, retard. I'VE BEEN HERE 3 F*CKING YEARS AND I'M NOT EVEN IN THE TOP 50.

Why don't you look at the f*cking obvious you moron. This thread's up to 180 already and it hasn't even been a week. How many you think I got in here? At least 100.

Then it's f*cking all star weekend, + the trade deadline. Any of that mean d*ck to you?

Not to mention the 5 page argument I had with the retards who decided they wanted to argue that Yao Ming wasn't an injury prone POS.

Whatever you're trying to prove, you're failing miserably, unless it's that I've made a lot of f*cking posts this week. Considering I've been off this week from work and I have a laptop and a internet on my phone, it ain't that f*cking hard to do given all the events I listed above.

Mathius

[Mathius]

Haha, that is awesome. What a ****.

I'm a ***? Have you looked at your avatar lately, Cletus?

Looking up a bunch of old posts and posting them in what is essentially my appreciation thread is gonna own me? How about I go look up all the posts that you've been ragged on for that you conveniently ignore since you don't give a sh*t about anyone's posts but yourself and don't bother to read them? That make me "cool", Cletus?

Should I just start logging in on the weekends and dropping one liners on people and then ignore the place the rest of the week like you? That make me "cool" ?

You've got people on this site so f*cking hosed its pathetic. You even made some people's list as the best Piston's poster on the site. Which is a f*cking joke since you post in the NBA forum about once every 3 months.

You're just another dumbass that logs onto a basketball message board and doesn't talk basketball.

Mathius

[Mathius]

Mathius getting sonned yet again. Redundant.

Well, why don't we review some actual facts? I know you know nothing about that since you sided with Carbine or whatever the f*ck his name is, but so far I'd wager that 8 out of 10, if not 9 out of 10 posts since the Carbine argument have been by people I've ripped on in the past.

So wouldn't you say those people again... like yourself are a little bias perhaps?

FinishHim: Called him out in some McGrady threads and told him he was an idiot. Did the same thing in the shaq/entertainer thread when he tried to make a comparison to Lebron James and insinuate I was a dumb homer.

D0uchesWallace: This dumbass has been starting sh*t with me since he joined three years ago. I don't even know WTF HIS problem is, I dont even recall saying sh*t about him until he started with me. But I could be wrong. That was 3 seasons ago.

You: All p*ssy because I b*tched about your topic hopping in the GM/Union thread, instead of bowing down and telling you you're a genius. EDIT: Oh, and lets not overlook how you conveniently ignored my reply to you in this thread about the type of logic you were supporting coming from Colts d0uche.

Dirkman: Don't know who he really is, but I'd wager a months worth of pay checks that its someone I pissed off in the past, or he wouldn't have jumped in to run his mouth like he did. Irregardless, my first post to him here was an insult, so the same trend still follows.

Kobe24: Dumb Kobe lover. That one's easy. I'm a Cavs fan. How many times you think I got into it with him?

I missing anyone?

Oh yeah. That hayden dude flip flops back and forth hard core. He's a follower, not a leader. Any idiot that goes back through my old posts to make a point in this thread is definitely a moron.

So yeah, I'd say these people have something called... an agenda?

Mathius

[pillage]

Matthius is a appreciated poster here. Recognizable because of the signature under his posts and Giles de LaTourette type of ranting.

Either way, what's up with the appreciation turning into a roast?

[loot]

[Mathius]

Matthius is a appreciated poster here. Recognizable because of the signature under his posts and Giles de LaTourette type of ranting.

Either way, what's up with the appreciation turning into a roast?

[loot]

This is ISH. How does it always work? I made an offhand comment that some idiot (Carbine) had issues with, and the moron proceeded to argue with me for 5 pages, using mostly his opinion and no real facts, and then Glove20 decided to jump in and side with him, even though he admitted that all of my facts were correct, and then pretty much after that all the little parasites jumped into the thread.

I wouldn't really call it a roast, the only poster saying d*ck about me who has any weight around here is JohnDeerGreen. The rest are just a bunch of guys I insulted in the past trying to get even.

Mathius

[Remix]

God damn. Why is everyone hating on Mathius? In every topic he posts in he always has facts. He's not a Lebron nut-hugger like most Kobe fans on this board are. You f4ggots just get pissed off because he calls you a dumb ass or something similar while he makes his point in threads.

[Maniak]

God damn. Why is everyone hating on Mathius? In every topic he posts in he always has facts. He's not a Lebron nut-hugger like most Kobe fans on this board are. You f4ggots just get pissed off because he calls you a dumb ass or something similar while he makes his point in threads.

I agree with your point here, but you should probably fix this little typo.

[Remix]

stop being a little bitckh, remix....it's not about mathius' basketball fanhood tendencies ...it's about teh fact that he is a loser on and off the board, and the fact that he generally has no validity in his arguments, and must resort to childish name calling.
the fact that he's never gotten pu-ssy is also a factor.
What does that make you then?

[Maniak]

It makes me a muthafuc-king genius....especially compared with Mathius..

Whatever makes you sleep at night...

[snipes12]

relax


Mathius

[FinishHim!]

What are you some kind of broken record? You don't understand the word peak or what? Again, retard. I'VE BEEN HERE 3 F*CKING YEARS AND I'M NOT EVEN IN THE TOP 50.

Why don't you look at the f*cking obvious you moron. This thread's up to 180 already and it hasn't even been a week. How many you think I got in here? At least 100.

Then it's f*cking all star weekend, + the trade deadline. Any of that mean d*ck to you?

Not to mention the 5 page argument I had with the retards who decided they wanted to argue that Yao Ming wasn't an injury prone POS.

Whatever you're trying to prove, you're failing miserably, unless it's that I've made a lot of f*cking posts this week. Considering I've been off this week from work and I have a laptop and a internet on my phone, it ain't that f*cking hard to do given all the events I listed above.

Mathius
:roll: :roll: So I guess this is what fagius is like when he gets OWNED... it doesn't matter if it was all-star weekend + trade deadline. There were only 2 posters on that list within a 100 post range of and yet you were ragging on someone for needing this place. Classic. You've said that your life sucks and it's basically why you spend every waking moment that you have internet access and free time on this website trying to bring people down and make their lives feel as ****ty as yours does. And oh by the way, Saturday is part of the weekend and look who's still here?

[Carbine]

Hey Glove...


And HOF QBs do not equal Super Bowl QBs. Mathius's logic was correct.

Troy Aikman - 3 rings
George Blanda - 0 rings
Terry Bradshaw - 4 rings
Len Dawson - 1 ring
John Elway - 2 rings
Dan Fouts - 0 rings
Otto Graham - 4 AAFC rings and 3 NFL rings
Bob Griese - 2 rings
Sonny Jurgensen - 0 rings
Jim Kelly - 0 rings
Bobby Layne - 3 rings
Dan Marino - 0 rings
Joe Montana - 4 rings
Warren Moon - 0 rings
Joe Namath - 1 ring
Bart Starr - 2 rings
Roger Staubach - 2 rings
Fran Tarkenton - 3 rings
Y.A. Tittle - 0 rings
Johnny Unitas 3 rings
Norm Van Brocklin - 1 ring
Bob Waterfield - 1 ring
Steve Young - 1 ring


Of the 23 modern-era quarterbacks in the hall of fame, they have 40 rings between them.

17 of the 23 have won rings.

Tom Brady, Peyton Manning and perhaps Warner are going to make it when their time is up, further supporting that HOF quarterbacks win superbowls.

There is a strong connection between HOF quarterback and winning superbowls. A HUGE one.


Just to clarify with you Mathius...


And then there's the fact that he lists 12 1st round duds, 12 'faces of the franchise' and 5 undecided, plus Chad pennington, which if anyone is doing the math, equates to 30 players.

Unfortunately there were only 23 guys drafted this decade.

I clearly pointed out that I was using first round quarterbacks from the past 11 drafts, not just this decade, when I made that list.

[bokes15]

Matthius is a appreciated poster here. Recognizable because of the signature under his posts and Giles de LaTourette type of ranting.

Either way, what's up with the appreciation turning into a roast?

[loot]

This is the original post:



This post is made in appreciation of Mathius. This guy is a bundle of laughs. :D I just appreciate what he brings to the board, the smiles on everyone's faces when he imparts some brilliant knowledge on us. Here's to you Mathius. I love ya buddy boy. :hammertime:

undertaker21

Are you that naive? :oldlol: This was a roast thread waiting to happen.

[U got Served]

This guy has made some of the dumbest statements I have ever heard. He's a complete idiot.


Mathius.

[Mathius]

:roll: :roll: So I guess this is what fagius is like when he gets OWNED... it doesn't matter if it was all-star weekend + trade deadline.

Yeah, it does, dumb f*ck. I'm off, so I used the opportunity to keep up on the internet rumors. This is 2009, retard. I can access the internet on my cell phone, lap top, desktop. It's not that hard to stay connected all day and see what's going on. It's called technology.


There were only 2 posters on that list within a 100 post range of and yet you were ragging on someone for needing this place. Classic.

Big f*cking difference d0uchebag. He was banned. That means someone in charge here said they don't want him here. He was told they don't want him, but he still had to come in here and post.


You've said that your life sucks and it's basically why you spend every waking moment that you have internet access and free time on this website trying to bring people down and make their lives feel as ****ty as yours does.

No dumbsh*t. I said life sucks. All that other bullsh*t is your own dumbass explanation. If it makes you feel better, whatever. You dumbsh*t's haven't made a point in like 6 pages, you just keep throwing insults, but you have the balls to tell me I just log on here to rag on people and bring their lives down.

You're so full of sh*t.


And oh by the way, Saturday is part of the weekend and look who's still here?

Congratulations, you know what day it is. Let me guess, I don't have a life because I'm posting here on a Saturday afternoon right? I'm sure it doesn't matter that I'm going out of town tonight to hang with friends, or that I already made dinner plans to meet friend's and family tomorrow at 5?

Let me let you in on a little secret. When you get older and stop letting mommy and daddy support you? You'll find out its expensive going out all the time.

Not that I have to justify any of this to a dumbsh*t like you.

Mathius

[U got Served]

Yeah, it does, dumb f*ck. I'm off, so I used the opportunity to keep up on the internet rumors. This is 2009, retard. I can access the internet on my cell phone, lap top, desktop. It's not that hard to stay connected all day and see what's going on. It's called technology.



Big f*cking difference d0uchebag. He was banned. That means someone in charge here said they don't want him here. He was told they don't want him, but he still had to come in here and post.



No dumbsh*t. I said life sucks. All that other bullsh*t is your own dumbass explanation. If it makes you feel better, whatever. You dumbsh*t's haven't made a point in like 6 pages, you just keep throwing insults, but you have the balls to tell me I just log on here to rag on people and bring their lives down.

You're so full of sh*t.



Congratulations, you know what day it is. Let me guess, I don't have a life because I'm posting here on a Saturday afternoon right? I'm sure it doesn't matter that I'm going out of town tonight to hang with friends, or that I already made dinner plans to meet friend's and family tomorrow at 5?

Let me let you in on a little secret. When you get older and stop letting mommy and daddy support you? You'll find out its expensive going out all the time.

Not that I have to justify any of this to a dumbsh*t like you.

Mathius


:roll: :roll:



Mathius.

[Mathius]

Just to clarify with you Mathius...

I clearly pointed out that I was using first round quarterbacks from the past 11 drafts, not just this decade, when I made that list.

Clarify all you want to. You may have convinced a bunch of dumbass kids you're right, but I know better.

Now matter how you spin it, you're wrong. You're "QB's in the superbowl" was so far off it isn't funny.

Your list:



In the last 17 years, quarterbacks that have won:

Tom Brady - 3
Eli Manning - 1
Peyton Manning - 1
Ben Roethlisberger - 2
Dilfer - 1
Brad Johnson - 1
Kurt Warner - 1
Elway - 2
Favre - 1
Aikmen - 3
Steve Young - 1

You say:



As you can see, 13 of those 17 were drafted by their teams and won a superbowl with them. Four of them were picked up in trades or free egency.

The last 7 of 8 winner quarterbacks, and the last six in a row have all been drafted by their teams.

Reality? Truth is, only 4 guys on that list were drafted in the first round by the team they won a superbowl with. That accounts for a grand total of 8/17 super bowls.

4/11 isn't half btw. It's 36%. So no matter how you want to spin it, we keep coming back to my 1/3 comment.

You ready to concede yet, moron?

Mathius

[FinishHim!]

Yeah, it does, dumb f*ck. I'm off, so I used the opportunity to keep up on the internet rumors. This is 2009, retard. I can access the internet on my cell phone, lap top, desktop. It's not that hard to stay connected all day and see what's going on. It's called technology.



Big f*cking difference d0uchebag. He was banned. That means someone in charge here said they don't want him here. He was told they don't want him, but he still had to come in here and post.



No dumbsh*t. I said life sucks. All that other bullsh*t is your own dumbass explanation. If it makes you feel better, whatever. You dumbsh*t's haven't made a point in like 6 pages, you just keep throwing insults, but you have the balls to tell me I just log on here to rag on people and bring their lives down.

You're so full of sh*t.



Congratulations, you know what day it is. Let me guess, I don't have a life because I'm posting here on a Saturday afternoon right? I'm sure it doesn't matter that I'm going out of town tonight to hang with friends, or that I already made dinner plans to meet friend's and family tomorrow at 5?

Let me let you in on a little secret. When you get older and stop letting mommy and daddy support you? You'll find out its expensive going out all the time.

Not that I have to justify any of this to a dumbsh*t like you.

Mathius

I would get into a "quote war" with you, but it seems like when you get owned you just keep talking yourself in circles until 411 posts later, the opposing person just says "why bother?":oldlol:

Translation of what you just said: The reason that i'm on insidehoops all day is because I have access to the internet all day. Do you get where i'm going here? It'd basically be like if ate seafood everyday and then someone asked me why and the reason I gave was "because I can." Sure you can, but there's other things to eat. And in the same sense, sure you can be on ISH all day because of the fact that the internet is easily accessible, but does it mean it's some kind of foregone conclusion that everyone who has internet at home + on their phone will be on insidehoops every waking moment?

And to address the insult part, the only person i'm "ragging on" is you because you so readily do it to everyone else. If you dish it out, be prepared to get it back in return d0uche. So yes I do have the "balls to do that." And have fun with your riveting plans. I bet you're gonna be the center of attention at your dinner party. Telling grandma that she's ugly because she's too old, and telling uncle Ben to f*ck himself because he doesn't put money in your birthday cards anymore. Should be a wonderful time! :applause: :applause:

[Mathius]

Translation of what you just said: The reason that i'm on insidehoops all day is because I have access to the internet all day. Do you get where i'm going here? It'd basically be like if ate seafood everyday and then someone asked me why and the reason I gave was "because I can." Sure you can, but there's other things to eat. And in the same sense, sure you can be on ISH all day because of the fact that the internet is easily accessible, but does it mean it's some kind of foregone conclusion that everyone who has internet at home + on their phone will be on insidehoops every waking moment?

WTF, is your point in all this retard? That at my age, I'm not allowed to post on a message board because that somehow devalues my life? Go f*ck yourself. I'll do what I want. We both know you have no real point here. You saw that I made 411 posts this week and jumped on it like a buffet. But we both know that I don't normally post 411 times in a week, because the proof is right there when you click on my name.

So unless you have something new to add, I don't know why you keep running your mouth. Are you gonna keep harping that I made 411 posts in one week next week as well? If that's all you've got on me, I feel pretty damn good about it.


And to address the insult part, the only person i'm "ragging on" is you because you so readily do it to everyone else. If you dish it out, be prepared to get it back in return d0uche. So yes I do have the "balls to do that."

Yeah, I give people sh*t. Because over half of the people on here are stupid as f*ck and deserve to be treated like idiots when they act like it. You, for example, haven't made one logical point in this whole f*cking thread except that I made 400 posts last week and you somehow equate that with someone having no life. When again, we both know that I don't usually post 400 times a week

But that's ok, sh*tf*ck . Like I said, I don't have to justify myself to you. If that's all you've got, you've got nothing.


And have fun with your riveting plans. I bet you're gonna be the center of attention at your dinner party. Telling grandma that she's ugly because she's too old, and telling uncle Ben to f*ck himself because he doesn't put money in your birthday cards anymore. Should be a wonderful time! :applause: :applause:

Both of my grandmother's have been dead for over 10 years you stupid f*ck.

If you think you're gonna make me feel ashamed for spending time with my family, you can just go f*ck yourself.

Ever single member of my family is 100X smarter and more relevant than some dumb kid on the internet with a catch phrase from a video game for a handle, complete with screen shot who repeats himself every other post.

Mathius

[Mathius]

Actually the majority of you f*cking retards in the last 3 pages are the worst kind of stupid. You think I insult people because I'm mean. I insult people because they're stupid. Normal people would take that example and try not to act stupid anymore. You f*cking morons just keep slinging insults because you're not even smart enough to know it's about you being stupid, not about me being a d*ck.

Mathius

[FinishHim!]

It wasn't to point out you having no life. It was meant to point out that you're a hypocrite for telling another poster that he's pathetic for depending on this website when you do the exact same thing. You're talking about how you could easily quit this website but at the same time talking about how when you have spare time, this is usually what you do/where you go.

And no i'm not ragging on you for spending time with your family, merely pointing out that with your hatred for everything and everyone, i'm surprised that you would even enjoy such an activity. That's usually reserved for us multidimentional humans with more than one emotion.

And no, everyone who doesn't agree with every single one of your points is not an idiot. Have you ever admitted to being wrong in your entire life? Because you certainly haven't done it on here all mighty one.

[Mathius]

It wasn't to point out you having no life. It was meant to point out that you're a hypocrite for telling another poster that he's pathetic for depending on this website when you do the exact same thing. You're talking about how you could easily quit this website but at the same time talking about how when you have spare time, this is usually what you do/where you go.

Yeah, and you keep rambling on the same f*cking routine. What you keep f*cking ignoring is, he was MADE TO LEAVE. And yet he still came back. Maybe that's not a big deal to you, but it is to me. If I was banned from a web site (and I have been), but then had to go and find a way to sneak back on with another account, to me that is the worst kind of pathetic.

If I'm not wanted, I'm not going to try and slink back in through a side door. That's weak as f*ck.

You did something stupid that p*ssed someone off. Accept it and move on with your life.


And no, everyone who doesn't agree with every single one of your points is not an idiot. Have you ever admitted to being wrong in your entire life? Because you certainly haven't done it on here all mighty one.

You're such a god damn moron. When someone disagrees with something that is logically correct, they are a f*cking moron. Like when I say there is a 1/3 chance of drafting a good QB (a number I admitted I just pulled out of my head) in the first round and then provide several kinds of statistical (i.e. concrete) evidence of the fact, and they still argue for 4 pages (using mostly opinion and incorrect information), they are what I refer to as a F*CKING RETARD.

When I was wrong about the post count thing because I did the numbers wrong, and then when I sat down and though about it in my head rationally, ignoring the numbers I realized my math couldn't possibly be correct, I apologized to west.

You're just too busy running your god damn mouth being an idiot to pay attention to anything that's actually going on. You know.... the real f*cking facts.

Mathius

[Glove_20]

Hey Glove...



Troy Aikman - 3 rings
George Blanda - 0 rings
Terry Bradshaw - 4 rings
Len Dawson - 1 ring
John Elway - 2 rings
Dan Fouts - 0 rings
Otto Graham - 4 AAFC rings and 3 NFL rings
Bob Griese - 2 rings
Sonny Jurgensen - 0 rings
Jim Kelly - 0 rings
Bobby Layne - 3 rings
Dan Marino - 0 rings
Joe Montana - 4 rings
Warren Moon - 0 rings
Joe Namath - 1 ring
Bart Starr - 2 rings
Roger Staubach - 2 rings
Fran Tarkenton - 3 rings
Y.A. Tittle - 0 rings
Johnny Unitas 3 rings
Norm Van Brocklin - 1 ring
Bob Waterfield - 1 ring
Steve Young - 1 ring


Of the 23 modern-era quarterbacks in the hall of fame, they have 40 rings between them.

17 of the 23 have won rings.

Tom Brady, Peyton Manning and perhaps Warner are going to make it when their time is up, further supporting that HOF quarterbacks win superbowls.

There is a strong connection between HOF quarterback and winning superbowls. A HUGE one.



Carbine I said they weren't "Equal". I know they are coorelated, but you can obviously have one without the other (Marino for example). But yeah there definitely is a strong connection.


Don't worry Carbine, you are right, you win, Mathius lost, etc.

[ElPigto]

Of course I hate my life, dumbass. I've said that multiple times on here. WTF does that have to do with anything.

I realize you guys are a bunch of morons, but you DO realize that it says joined in 2006 next to my name with the 7000 whatever posts, right?

I know retards like you aren't good at math, but that comes out to about a half a post a day for the last 3 years.

So I'd have to make another 5000 posts this week just to average 1 post a day.

So you got anything else, retard?

Mathius

Talk about f*cking up your math horribly. It's one thing to be off by a few digits, but 1/2 a freakin post a day and that you have to post 5000 posts this week to get your average to 1?!?!

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Are you dyslexic or something?

[Glove_20]

Talk about f*cking up your math horribly. It's one thing to be off by a few digits, but 1/2 a freakin post a day and that you have to post 5000 posts this week to get your average to 1?!?!

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Are you dyslexic or something?

:roll: :roll: :roll:

I missed that


Best part is he says


I know retards like you aren't good at math

before saying all of that. :oldlol:



He lost all credibility right there.

[gotbacon23]

Talk about f*cking up your math horribly. It's one thing to be off by a few digits, but 1/2 a freakin post a day and that you have to post 5000 posts this week to get your average to 1?!?!

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Are you dyslexic or something?

he did admitt that he was wrong though. but to put it in perspective, if he averaged 1/2 a post a day but still managed to get 7,000 post that means he would have had to have been a member for 14,000 days. 14,000/365 = 38

so yeah if he doesnt post anymore from this point forward, it would still take him until about 2044 to get his post count down to 0.5 posts a day (his join date was 2006 + 38 years).

[U got Served]

Actually the majority of you f*cking retards in the last 3 pages are the worst kind of stupid. You think I insult people because I'm mean. I insult people because they're stupid. Normal people would take that example and try not to act stupid anymore. You f*cking morons just keep slinging insults because you're not even smart enough to know it's about you being stupid, not about me being a d*ck.

Mathius


This just keeps getting funnier everytime.:roll:


Mathius.

[C-Webb4]

LMAO, dude calls him a retard who isn't good at math and then proceeds to make a math error of epic proportions. Only Mathius.

[Carbine]

Im not worried about winning or losing, Glove. Would you feel better about yourself if you beat a mental retard in an argument about something you have a bit of knowledge about?

It is what it is.

[C-Webb4]

http://uploads.neowin.net/forum/post-124614-1135210572.jpg

[Glove_20]

Im not worried about winning or losing, Glove. Would you feel better about yourself if you beat a mental retard in an argument about something you have a bit of knowledge about?

It is what it is.
True :oldlol:

But that was a message directed more towards Mathius than you, he still didn't seem to get it.

[Mathius]

Talk about f*cking up your math horribly. It's one thing to be off by a few digits, but 1/2 a freakin post a day and that you have to post 5000 posts this week to get your average to 1?!?!

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Are you dyslexic or something?

No, I just f*cked the equation. For some reason I kept thinking 700 posts instead of 7000. And if you look at my original statements, I was talking about a 3 year time frame, which = 1200 days.

So 700 posts in 1200 days is a little over half.

When I read Kobe24's posts and looked at the numbers it registered to me what I did and I apologized. Since my join date is actually in November, we're talking a span of closer to 2 years, not 3.

For a bunch of f*cking morons who say I never admit I'm wrong, you guys sure aren't happy when I do either.

Mathius

[Mathius]

Im not worried about winning or losing, Glove. Would you feel better about yourself if you beat a mental retard in an argument about something you have a bit of knowledge about?

It is what it is.

Real cute ass-hole. I wish I lived in your world where 4/11 was 50%.

Or everything was based on my opinion without even listing names

Or I could just list a bunch of guys and then get the facts completely wrong and still call myself a winner.

Mathius

[C-Webb4]

So 700 posts in 1200 days is a little over half.
So let me get this straight. Your dumbass thought you had made 700 posts in three years rather than 7000 posts in about 2 years and 3 months? Wow, that's more than a little off. With those kind of math skills, you probably wouldn't be fit to run a cashier at Burger King.

http://www.theonion.com/content/files/images/onion_news684.article.jpg
"A whopper meal? That'll be $537.21 sir. Do you want to pay with cash or credit?"

[The_Yearning]

wow this chump gets his own thread

[ElPigto]

No, I just f*cked the equation. For some reason I kept thinking 700 posts instead of 7000. And if you look at my original statements, I was talking about a 3 year time frame, which = 1200 days.

So 700 posts in 1200 days is a little over half.

When I read Kobe24's posts and looked at the numbers it registered to me what I did and I apologized. Since my join date is actually in November, we're talking a span of closer to 2 years, not 3.

For a bunch of f*cking morons who say I never admit I'm wrong, you guys sure aren't happy when I do either.

Mathius

Look it's cool if you want to justify your mistake whatever way you want to, but like C-webb said above, how the hell you are going to think you only have 700 posts in 1200 days?!?

I know you sure as hell aren't that bad.

Just saying man. It's cool you admit to being wrong and whatever, but that's just off. Way off.

[Mathius]

Look it's cool if you want to justify your mistake whatever way you want to, but like C-webb said above, how the hell you are going to think you only have 700 posts in 1200 days?!?

I know you sure as hell aren't that bad.

Just saying man. It's cool you admit to being wrong and whatever, but that's just off. Way off.

Of course I was way f*cking off. If I wasn't way f*cking off, I wouldn't be hearing about it from these morons for the last 5 pages.

People don't f*cking rag on you when you're off by a little. Ok, the idiots on this site would, but normal people wouldn't

You DID read the part of the thread where I pointed out that these idiots are all just sore because I've been ragging on them in other threads? This C-webb joke is another one. I gave him sh*t in another thread so he has to come in here and talk about what a d*ck I am.

I wasn't paying attention when I was posting and I f*cked the number. I think if you go back and look at my posts, you'll see I pointed out I was watching a movie while I posted it.

The only reason I had the laptop out in the first place was to follow the Cavs game since DiSH network doesn't even carry the local Cavs station.

Mathius

[ElPigto]

Of course I was way f*cking off. If I wasn't way f*cking off, I wouldn't be hearing about it from these morons for the last 5 pages.

People don't f*cking rag on you when you're off by a little. Ok, the idiots on this site would, but normal people wouldn't

You DID read the part of the thread where I pointed out that these idiots are all just sore because I've been ragging on them in other threads? This C-webb joke is another one. I gave him sh*t in another thread so he has to come in here and talk about what a d*ck I am.

I wasn't paying attention when I was posting and I f*cked the number. I think if you go back and look at my posts, you'll see I pointed out I was watching a movie while I posted it.

The only reason I had the laptop out in the first place was to follow the Cavs game since DiSH network doesn't even carry the local Cavs station.

Mathius

Alright man, that's cool. Lets just all chill now. I'm not tripping to much about your mistake anyways, just found funny. Anyways, I'm done with it and moving on with life.

[FinishHim!]

Of course I was way f*cking off. If I wasn't way f*cking off, I wouldn't be hearing about it from these morons for the last 5 pages.

People don't f*cking rag on you when you're off by a little. Ok, the idiots on this site would, but normal people wouldn't

You DID read the part of the thread where I pointed out that these idiots are all just sore because I've been ragging on them in other threads? This C-webb joke is another one. I gave him sh*t in another thread so he has to come in here and talk about what a d*ck I am.

I wasn't paying attention when I was posting and I f*cked the number. I think if you go back and look at my posts, you'll see I pointed out I was watching a movie while I posted it.

The only reason I had the laptop out in the first place was to follow the Cavs game since DiSH network doesn't even carry the local Cavs station.

Mathius
The numerical error isn't the reason that people are ragging on you. It's the fact that you used your "retard who's not good at math" line before it and then made an incredibly stupid math error in an attempt to prove how much smarter you are than the rest of the board. :ohwell: Seeing you get owned has kind of lost it's fun factor, because now you're just starting to look pathetic.

[Mathius]

The numerical error isn't the reason that people are ragging on you. It's the fact that you used your "retard who's not good at math" line before it and then made an incredibly stupid math error in an attempt to prove how much smarter you are than the rest of the board. :ohwell: Seeing you get owned has kind of lost it's fun factor, because now you're just starting to look pathetic.

Yeah, that might bother me except for the fact that of all the responses in the last 5-6 pages, probably 95% of them have been by complete retards who garner no respect on this board whatsoever.

I made a mistake and apologized to the poster in question. I don't regret calling a bunch of angry morons retards, because even if my math comment makes me look hypocritical, the simple retaliation of my responses was justified.

If I had some intelligent, well respected posters like Gobb, RedBlackAttack, Mlh, RanierBeachPoet, etc. ripping me, I might feel bad.

You guys are just a joke. You're just a bunch of dumb kids who are trying to get even because I called you stupid and that's all it really comes down to.

Mathius

[undertaker21]

Don't worry about what they say Mathius baby. No matter what, i'll be here by your side, every step of the way. I appreciate you, don't ever change.

[west]

Don't worry about what they say Mathius baby. No matter what, i'll be here by your side, every step of the way. I appreciate you, don't ever change.
no homo???

[U got Served]

Yeah, that might bother me except for the fact that of all the responses in the last 5-6 pages, probably 95% of them have been by complete retards who garner no respect on this board whatsoever.

I made a mistake and apologized to the poster in question. I don't regret calling a bunch of angry morons retards, because even if my math comment makes me look hypocritical, the simple retaliation of my responses was justified.

If I had some intelligent, well respected posters like Gobb, RedBlackAttack, Mlh, RanierBeachPoet, etc. ripping me, I might feel bad.

You guys are just a joke. You're just a bunch of dumb kids who are trying to get even because I called you stupid and that's all it really comes down to.

Mathius


Plz SFTU. You got owned. Now go to the back with little kids. dumbass.


Mathius.

[Legend of Josh]

The guy will respond to any post he reads, even if he knows abso****inglutely nothing about the topic at hand.

e-diot

The dude pretends as if he's some though guy over the internets, and actually goes to great extents to ensure that perception is felt by the unfortunate readers who wasted precious seconds of thier lives reading his bullshit posts.

e-diot

Honestly speaking, the guy is always pissed off 100% of the time it seems. It wouldn't shock me if in reality he worked for some fastfood joint like Wendy's. When customers come thru his drive thru and order their food, on the screen it probably reads something like this:

Classic Single ... 2.79
add Cheese ... 0.35
Combo ... 1.89
side order Fries
Drink ... Diet Coke
Tax ... 0.39
Total ... 5.42

Mathis

_____

Oh, and besides posting lengthy worthless posts his other hobbies include molesting childen... and molesting children.

[pillage]

When customers come thru his drive thru and order their food, on the screen it probably reads something like this:

Classic Single ... 2.79
add Cheese ... 0.35
Combo ... 1.89
side order Fries
Drink ... Diet Coke
Tax ... 0.39
Total ... 5.42

Thanks for your crappy order, ****ing retard!

Mathius

_____


fixed

[Legend of Josh]

Yeah - I knew it was missing something. Thanks for the update!

[pete's montreux]

Am I the only one that really appreciates Mathius? He spends most of his time here dealing with the idiots and the trolls. Look at it this way, I don't have to do it. **** is already taken care of. Mathius to the e-rescue. :oldlol:

[LaLuzdeLucyfer]

+ 1

[FinishHim!]

Am I the only one that really appreciates Mathius? He spends most of his time here dealing with the idiots and the trolls. Look at it this way, I don't have to do it. **** is already taken care of. Mathius to the e-rescue. :oldlol:
Short answer: Yes

[FinishHim!]

Yeah - I knew it was missing something. Thanks for the update!
+1, I pretty think the exact same thing. It doesn't matter what the topic is, not only will he respond to it, but he'll think that his answer is the absolute correct answer and there's nothing more to it. For example if there's a debate about girl A and girl B and you say that girl A looks better, he'll come storming in about how your a f*cking moron and that it's a FACT that girl B looks better. Then you ask him how it's a fact and not an opinion and he'll give you some smart ass response laced with incessant cursing and capital letters.

Or, he'll form an opinion about something he knows next to nothing about and then go on a huge rant about it when it's obvious to everyone but him that he knows nothing about the topic and yet he has the nerve to call everyone else an idiot when the only person who ends up looking like an idiot is...

Mathius

[Legend of Josh]

Am I the only one that really appreciates Mathius? He spends most of his time here dealing with the idiots and the trolls. Look at it this way, I don't have to do it. **** is already taken care of. Mathius to the e-rescue. :oldlol:

Yeah, it makes so much sense to e-ppreciate (see how this works, and not e-rescure?) a guy who is forever and a day posting on PMS. If you want to insult someone to be silly and pick a fight, that's OK, but this guy seriously finds it needingly to argue with people, and actually invest a serious perception on it.

When I argue with folks at random it's simply to see how they respond... nothing constructive about it... whereas Mathis is actually wanting to tangibly argue about anything and everything even if he does or does not know what he's talking about.

That's the type of poster that downgrades a message board. starface suffers from a similar complexity but at least he's the type of LOL here and there

[pete's montreux]

He provides us with a service. Think of him as your local exterminator. It's a ****ty job, but someone's got to do it. He cleans up the idiots and the trolls.

[pete's montreux]

What the hell is rescure?

[rufuspaul]

Am I the only one that really appreciates Mathius? He spends most of his time here dealing with the idiots and the trolls. Look at it this way, I don't have to do it. **** is already taken care of. Mathius to the e-rescue. :oldlol:

Mathius as the ISH garbage man? It works, kinda.

[rufuspaul]

He provides us with a service. Think of him as your local exterminator. It's a ****ty job, but someone's got to do it. He cleans up the idiots and the trolls.

What about those shrimp-like creatures that eat the sh*t that grows on the inside of a fish tank?

[C-Webb4]

He provides us with a service. Think of him as your local exterminator. It's a ****ty job, but someone's got to do it. He cleans up the idiots and the trolls.
His brand of posting discourages intelligent conversation and more often than not causes people to lose focus on the actual topic and then end up trading back and forth insults. If he's an exterminator, he feeds the bugs rather than getting rid of them.

[lilmarcgasol]

People hate on Mathius because he can argue a point and back it up with legit knowledge. Top 5 poster.
He actually talks out of his ass alot of his time, particularly when arguing about teams that aren't the Cleveland Cavaliers, he regularly argues something about a recent game for a page or two, gets called out by everyone that he didn't actually watch the game, then finally admits he didn't watch the game, is talking out of his ass, but his opinion is right anyway no matter what anyone says.

lilmarcgasol

[Legend of Josh]

+1, I pretty think the exact same thing. It doesn't matter what the topic is, not only will he respond to it, but he'll think that his answer is the absolute correct answer and there's nothing more to it. For example if there's a debate about girl A and girl B and you say that girl A looks better, he'll come storming in about how your a f*cking moron and that it's a FACT that girl B looks better. Then you ask him how it's a fact and not an opinion and he'll give you some smart ass response laced with incessant cursing and capital letters.

Or, he'll form an opinion about something he knows next to nothing about and then go on a huge rant about it when it's obvious to everyone but him that he knows nothing about the topic and yet he has the nerve to call everyone else an idiot when the only person who ends up looking like an idiot is...

Mathius

I'm honestly thinking something happened to the poor guy when he was a little tike. With the molesting fascination of his, and his constant PMSing I've come to the conclusion he's simply a child-molesting-always-angry-pissed-at-the-world-for-no-phucking-reason-e-diot.

Oh, and he likes to molest children (did I mention that part already?).

[Legend of Josh]

Mathius as the ISH garbage man? It works, kinda.

They say one poster's trash is another poster's treasure, but in this case Mathis is no exception... he's garbage, period. Enhanced garbage actually.

Oopps, *rescue* thanks for pointing out the obvious Pete :rolleyes:

[Mathius]

You guys just keep illustrating my point. Pretty much the same group of morons filling up more pages of retaliatory hate. The only attention you guys have managed to garnish from your stupid ranting is one guy defending me and a couple of notorious trolls, Legend of Dumbass and LilBruinLove.

Good to see you guys keeping like company. I should really feel bad when I have quality, intelligent posters like these ripping me.

:rolleyes:

Enjoy your hatefest children. I believe it's falling on deaf ears.

Mathius

[Spudjjay]

You guys just keep illustrating my point. Pretty much the same group of morons filling up more pages of retaliatory hate. The only attention you guys have managed to garnish from your stupid ranting is one guy defending me and a couple of notorious trolls, Legend of Dumbass and LilBruinLove.

Good to see you guys keeping like company. I should really feel bad when I have quality, intelligent posters like these ripping me.

:rolleyes:

Enjoy your hatefest children. I believe it's falling on deaf ears.

Mathius

I getting the same kind of love. :oldlol:

Spudjjay

[C-Webb4]

I getting the same kind of love. :oldlol:

Spudjjay
:roll: :roll: It must feel great to know that you're liked and appreciated on an equal level to Spudgay.

[U got Served]

You guys just keep illustrating my point. Pretty much the same group of morons filling up more pages of retaliatory hate. The only attention you guys have managed to garnish from your stupid ranting is one guy defending me and a couple of notorious trolls, Legend of Dumbass and LilBruinLove.

Good to see you guys keeping like company. I should really feel bad when I have quality, intelligent posters like these ripping me.

Enjoy your hatefest children. I believe it's falling on deaf ears.

Mathius


Yet you keep coming back to this thread. Yeah, it's falling on deaf ears.:rolleyes:
You and Spudjjay are *****ing idiots. Just STFU and appreciate the "Mathius appreciation thread"



Mathius.

[Godfather]

Mathius is one of the highest quality posters on this decaying board.

Godfather

[Mathius]

:roll: :roll: It must feel great to know that you're liked and appreciated on an equal level to Spudgay.

Keep proving my point.

Mathius

[FinishHim!]

Mathius is one of the highest quality posters on this decaying board.

Godfather
High quality in the Cavs forum and on Cavs topics, sure. We can all agree to that. High quality on anything else? Not so much.

[J000]

Sure he's a good poster, he just attacks a post with constant hate. It seems like all his posts are pure hate and just seem very grumpy, like an old-hag posting on a god damn message board. Loosen up :pimp:

[U got Served]

Keep proving my point.

Mathius


Again. You keep coming back. So you're the *****ing dumbass for coming back to read what's new, then you say "its falling on deaf ears"
keep contradicting yourself you ******.


Mathius.