Serious question about Kobes leaping ability

[Diesel J]

In another thread..


You think Bryant could never dunk from the freethrow line? Not ever in his life? I've seen 6'5 guys who go the UC Riverside dunk from the freethrow line in dunk contest who aren't close to the athlete Bryant is. I'll bet all the money I ever make for the rest of my life that Bryant could dunk from the freethrow line at one point in his career, maybe even today still. C'mon.



Now, I don't think KObe could ever dunk from the FT line but also don't think he ever had jaw dropping leaping ability. To me, he's an above average leaper more around that Rudy Fernandez level but clearly not Vince Carter type hops. Does/did Kobe have better hops than D Wade in your opinion? This dunk contest video of Kobe from highschool is all of the proof you need..

1996 High School Dunk contest feat Kobe Bryant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3RnTLLF19o

KObe dunks @

:48 left handed

1:16 gets hung on a 360

1:19 blows a self bounce lob dunk

1:23 baseline reverse

1:25 gets hung again ona simple bound lob dunk that he didn't jump that far out from

His hops clearly don't backup that he was capable of dunking from the FT line

[mswank]

he jumped over a pool of snakes dude...

[inclinerator]

dude kobe dunked over the pit of hell and dunked on the devil

[Noob Saibot]

lol, Kobe jumps over moving cars. With the hops he has, Kobe should win every dunk contest.

[Allstar24]

You just had to make another Kobe thread didn't you?

:banghead:

[inclinerator]

lol, Kobe jumps over moving cars. With the hops he has, Kobe should win every dunk contest.
i know kobe is from another planet

[clayton]

No... Kobe dunked on Nene, at the same time kissed his bride.

[eliteballer]

Seriously, STOP comparing Wade's hops to Kobe's. You've done it more than once and it's INSULTING. Wade has a weak vert but long arms so he can still smash on people. Also LOL @ you using a 17 year old Kobe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akMiX_FKCdQ&=fmt18

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQoM4UW_nAM&=fmt18

^Watch those and tell me he can't/couldn't do it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGxX80NHuRs&=fmt18

^Wade can only dream that he had those kind of hops.

[inclinerator]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5EeVLK8XWQ crazy hangtime

[OneMoreSucka]

Steroids.

[Mikaiel]

So Brent Barry can dunk from the FT line but Kobe can't ???

[Juges8932]

Lol, yeah, I definitely think Kobe could. Not sure about now, although would not be surprised, but in his prime, definitely.

[mongePR(kb24)]

i've never seen kobe elevate like lebron, jordan, carter, etc.

He is a second fiddle leaper. The most that ive seen him elevate is when he posterized dwight. His head was almost at rim level.

http://i32.tinypic.com/wcckyc.jpg


style , agility and creativity ? one of the best. Top 5 - 6 all-time for sure.

p.s. from free throw line? maybe in his absolute physical prime.

[DC Zephyrs]

Never in his life has he Kobe the leaping ability to dunk from the FT line. He's a good dunker with a lot of style, but his vert isn't all that spectactular.

[Biddy77]

i haven't checked any of the links provided to see if anyone showed it, but that 'oop garnett threw him in the ASG years ago was WTF crazy elevation...

[eliteballer]

Seriously, STOP comparing Wade's hops to Kobe's. You've done it more than once and it's INSULTING. Wade has a weak vert but long arms so he can still smash on people. Also LOL @ you using a 17 year old Kobe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akMiX_FKCdQ&=fmt18

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQoM4UW_nAM&=fmt18

^Watch those and tell me he can't/couldn't do it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGxX80NHuRs&=fmt18

^Wade can only dream that he had those kind of hops.

Going to play blind, deaf, and dumb yet again you POS?:mad:

[gts]

Never in his life has he Kobe the leaping ability to dunk from the FT line. He's a good dunker with a lot of style, but his vert isn't all that spectactular.you're correct he probably never has had that type of kick but it's good enough to get the job done... a player only needs to get the ball over the rim for the points.. everything else is just for the fans

[xcesswee]

Kobe has beautiful dunks with a lot of creativity. However, like someone else said his vert isn't all that spectacular. If i were to guess, he prob had around Mid to high 30s vert in his prime.

[andgar923]

In another thread..



Now, I don't think KObe could ever dunk from the FT line but also don't think he ever had jaw dropping leaping ability. To me, he's an above average leaper more around that Rudy Fernandez level but clearly not Vince Carter type hops. Does/did Kobe have better hops than D Wade in your opinion? This dunk contest video of Kobe from highschool is all of the proof you need..

1996 High School Dunk contest feat Kobe Bryant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3RnTLLF19o

KObe dunks @

:48 left handed

1:16 gets hung on a 360

1:19 blows a self bounce lob dunk

1:23 baseline reverse

1:25 gets hung again ona simple bound lob dunk that he didn't jump that far out from

His hops clearly don't backup that he was capable of dunking from the FT line

I clearly remember that dunk contest.

And NO.... Kobe could NEVER dunk from the ft line.

Anybody that believes so is an idiot.

[wozzler]

lol, how can people compare kobe to VC or lebron, they're just not in the same league in terms of vertical leap.. although i believe kobe is a better player than both of them, i watch kobes dunks and get amazed by how good they look but when I see people like VC/lebron i get amazed at how effortless and high they get, never really felt that way with kobe.

[LaLuzdeLucyfer]

dude kobe dunked over the pit of hell and dunked on the devil

:no: Fraudulent information. :no:

He carries the mark of my Beloved Beast, and I have no doubts. He produces power from two feet, but with proper momentum, a 15 foot leap is not out of the question. Especially in the years 1999 and 2000 of your false Gregorian Calendar.

[andgar923]

:no: Fraudulent information. :no:

He carries the mark of my Beloved Beast, and I have no doubts. He produces power from two feet, but with proper momentum, a 15 foot leap is not out of the question. Especially in the years 1999 and 2000 of your false Gregorian Calendar.

And this poster would know, so I take his word for it.

[Diesel J]

Seriously, STOP comparing Wade's hops to Kobe's. You've done it more than once and it's INSULTING. Wade has a weak vert but long arms so he can still smash on people. Also LOL @ you using a 17 year old Kobe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akMiX_FKCdQ&=fmt18

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQoM4UW_nAM&=fmt18

^Watch those and tell me he can't/couldn't do it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGxX80NHuRs&=fmt18

^Wade can only dream that he had those kind of hops.

wade hops > Kobe hops:violin:

[eliteballer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akMiX_FKCdQ&=fmt18

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQoM4UW_nAM&=fmt18

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGxX80NHuRs&=fmt18

:hammerhead:

[JM720]

On Ben Wallace

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eg1O49X5k0U&feature=related

:eek:

[bruceblitz]

The best NBA athletes ever:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyFMCnHxcxE

Some sick dunkers:
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/466977/bruce_blitz_dunk_mix_feat_greatest_dunks_ever_supe rman_theme/

&

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/468663/bruce_blitz_dunk_mix_pt_5_you_have_to_see_this/

Clyde Drexler = better jumper than Kobe!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tw7nvYeDRKo

D Wade is a better athlete than Kobe, having a better season than Kobe, has more finals MVP's than Kobe:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1SKFntjMYE

LeBron James head above the rim(You wish Kobe fans):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agHH7o2sz6I

:hammertime:

[andgar923]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akMiX_FKCdQ&=fmt18

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQoM4UW_nAM&=fmt18

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGxX80NHuRs&=fmt18

:hammerhead:

Wow the "dotted line"

You do know the elite jumpers can do windmills and reverse dunks from that distance right?

[eliteballer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9y1E9vIrYXI&=fmt18

@ 30 seconds getting just about rim level on a knee that was in need of surgery the whole season.

[LaLuzdeLucyfer]

Absolutely preposterous. Dwayne Paid maxes out at a mediocre leap of thirty-nine inches in the vertical. His short, stocky torso, and rather long arms provide opportunity for posterizations. Jordan, Wallace, Gay, Farmar, Richardson, Bryant, Outlaw, Roy, Howard, James are a few who can get significantly higher than this fool they call Wade.

[Diesel J]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akMiX_FKCdQ&=fmt18

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQoM4UW_nAM&=fmt18

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGxX80NHuRs&=fmt18

:hammerhead:


Wade dunks on Garnett

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ox1Ix-8drAo

Dwyane Wade Soars

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-9pIE4gY28&feature=related

[eliteballer]

Wade dunks on Garnett

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ox1Ix-8drAo

His head is barely at the NET:roll:

[eliteballer]

Wade head barely at the NET:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ox1Ix-8drAo

Kobe on a knee needing surgical repair head just about at the RIM:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9y1E9vIrYXI&=fmt18

You're going to compare the elevation on those two?:roll:

[bruceblitz]

Wade head barely at the NET:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ox1Ix-8drAo

Kobe on a knee needing surgical repair head just about at the RIM:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9y1E9vIrYXI&=fmt18

You're going to compare the elevation on those two?:roll:

Hey Kobe stan, get over your homosexual man-crush, become a true NBA fan.

The best NBA athletes ever:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyFMCnHxcxE

Some sick dunkers:
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/466977/bruce_blitz_dunk_mix_feat_greatest_dunks_ever_supe rman_theme/

&

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/468663/bruce_blitz_dunk_mix_pt_5_you_have_to_see_this/

Clyde Drexler = better jumper than Kobe!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tw7nvYeDRKo

D Wade is a better athlete than Kobe, having a better season than Kobe, has more finals MVP's than Kobe:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1SKFntjMYE

LeBron James head above the rim(You wish Kobe fans):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agHH7o2sz6I

:hammertime:

[eliteballer]

SHOW ME A JORDAN, DREXLER, WADE DUNK MIX BETTER THAN THIS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGxX80NHuRs&=fmt18

IM WAAAAAAAAAAAIITING YALL:pimp:

[bruceblitz]

Wade head barely at the NET:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ox1Ix-8drAo

Kobe on a knee needing surgical repair head just about at the RIM:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9y1E9vIrYXI&=fmt18

You're going to compare the elevation on those two?:roll:

Kobe stans are lucky that Ronnie Fields got all f'ed up or people wouldn't be talking about Kobe, they would be Ronnie Fields fans.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7fBmn6Ddx0


learn the game son

[eliteballer]

SHOW ME A JORDAN, DREXLER, WADE DUNK MIX BETTER THAN THIS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGxX80NHuRs&=fmt18

IM WAAAAAAAAAAAIITING YALL:pimp:


Get MJ and his "I've never done a 360" and weak basic 1 handed dunking rear end OUTTA HERE!!!!:roll:

[bruceblitz]

Get MJ and his "I've never done a 360" and weak basic 1 handed dunking rear end OUTTA HERE!!!! I suck Kobe Bryant twinkies for a living and love getting to the cream:roll:

:cheers: :banana: :cheers:

Hey Kobe stan, get over your homosexual man-crush, become a true NBA fan.

The best NBA athletes ever:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyFMCnHxcxE

Some sick dunkers:
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/466977/bruce_blitz_dunk_mix_feat_greatest_dunks_ever_supe rman_theme/

&

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/468663/bruce_blitz_dunk_mix_pt_5_you_have_to_see_this/

Clyde Drexler = better jumper than Kobe!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tw7nvYeDRKo

D Wade is a better athlete than Kobe, having a better season than Kobe, has more finals MVP's than Kobe:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1SKFntjMYE

LeBron James head above the rim(You wish Kobe fans):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agHH7o2sz6I

:hammertime:

[Diesel J]

Get MJ and his "I've never done a 360" and weak basic 1 handed dunking rear end OUTTA HERE!!!!:roll:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQ7wUdOc7gg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwGoJtC_UmE&feature=related

[eliteballer]

Ahhhhhhhhh....I see you have numerous youtube channels dedicated to sucking off MJ and Bron's wangs. Kids:oldlol: Sucka gonna call me a stan when he's doing youtube broadcasts on what MJ pooped out this morning?:lol

[bruceblitz]

Ahhhhhhhhh....I see you have numerous youtube channels dedicated to sucking off MJ and Bron's wangs. Kids:oldlol: Sucka gonna call me a stan when he's doing youtube broadcasts on what MJ pooped out this morning?:lol

you = fail

:no:

[juju151111]

SHOW ME A JORDAN, DREXLER, WADE DUNK MIX BETTER THAN THIS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGxX80NHuRs&=fmt18

IM WAAAAAAAAAAAIITING YALL:pimp:
You must be stupid. mj http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGtszMfCSSI drexler http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvjJA93Xy9Y Wade http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOrNe0-DmSQ

[andgar923]

See.... some idiot just had to go and really **** it up by dissing MJ.

Big mistake.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0367NfCZqB8&feature=channel_page


2nd dunk in the vid (vs Celtics) he's HALF A STEP OVER THE FT LINE!

Mj takes off FROM THE FT LINE:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzzNa6Fzcr8&feature=channel_page

MJ has to literally duck in some of these and he either jumps from the dotted line or an angle that's equivalent to the dotted line:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJ3K05G6QFY

MJ FROM THE FT LINE!!!!

http://img.skitch.com/20090220-gik2aw9r5e3hre9wxja6ng2c98.jpg

His head was at RIM LEVEL while dunking from the FT LINE!!!!!!!!

I mean. seriously.

Comparing MJ to Kobe's jumping abilities is a joke.

[Juges8932]

SHOW ME A JORDAN, DREXLER, WADE DUNK MIX BETTER THAN THIS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGxX80NHuRs&=fmt18

IM WAAAAAAAAAAAIITING YALL:pimp:

His jumping ability is definitely under rated. Not VC/LBJ level, but still impressive none the less.

[nevetslc88]

hey eliteballer the code for youtube is &fmt=18 not &=fmt18

[andgar923]

Go to 1:17 in this vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwRhCfbzubg

He kills two myths with one play.

Myth no.1...... According to Kobe fans (lets be honest, they're the ONLY ones that bring this up) he doesn't have handles. So he puts it between his legs about 3 times.

Myth no.2..... He doesn't have a crossover. So he crosses the shyt over his defender.

And after he does that, he tomahawks it while jumping from the "dotted line".... OOoooooooo

[bruceblitz]

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/8725/meeeuu1ur9.th.jpg (http://img3.imageshack.us/my.php?image=meeeuu1ur9.jpg)

Notice the upper right of the picture, Jordan's head is way above the rim on a jumper. GOAT!

Better view:
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/1152/meeeuu1.jpg
^^^^click that link^^^^^

[andgar923]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrCYyx_u_HU

In some of these dunks his head is rim level while leaning and/or pumping the ball.

And in some of those, he's taking off from angles that equal dotted linen distances.

[andgar923]

Hmmmm.... look where he jumped from.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te-8MJ84834

Guess where he takes off from in most of these double pumps?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_G78mX2i-Q

You guessed it... the "dotted line" or further.

Again... these are "double pumps."

[eliteballer]

:oldlol: The same nonsense over and over. You guys post hundreds of Jordan dunks and its the same stuff over and over. Double pump, reverse, or one handed. See 3 Jordan dunks and you've seen em all. Someone get the lames outta here!!:roll:

Here's two things you'll never find MJ footage of:

Elbow in Rim:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKACOMUznjs

Self bounce off the floor between the legs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgs-D9ChkoA

[andgar923]

He had to duck in that pic.

He jumped from one side of the lane, went up with thee ball in one hand, brought it down, cradled it, ducked his head, glided under the rim and dunked it.

http://www.geocities.com/michaeljordangallery23/photo23/8788ASSlamReverseKissTheRimBW.jpg

Remember....... his peak was BEFORE he got to the rim and he STILL HAD TO DUCK.

Its safe to assume that in the height of that dunk he was at least eye level to the rim.

His elbow went INSIDE THE RIM:

[Kobe24]

lmao @ the idiot Kobe haters thinking he couldn't dunk from the FT line. LMAO @ the Kobe haters showing us a video of a 17 year old Kobe in HS. Stop it. MJ stans are the worst.

[andgar923]

lmao @ the idiot Kobe haters thinking he couldn't dunk from the FT line. LMAO @ the Kobe haters showing us a video of a 17 year old Kobe in HS. Stop it. MJ stans are the worst.

Lmao @ kobe dick suckers believing that t he can, when all evidence points to the contrary.

While I agree, the HS vid is a bad example, he was nowhere close when he got older either.

And LMAO @ Kobe stans trying to make excuses and take away from other players because Kobe falls short.... yet again.

Nothing new tho.

[Juges8932]

Of all the Kobe vids and stuff I've read, I never knew he did the arm in the rim dunk first, or at least before VC.

[YAWN]

wow this thread is a ****ing troll fest.

kobe did some pretty great in game dunks while not having the vertical that guys like jordan and carter had.

lebron has tremendous leaping ability however he lacks majorly in the creativity department.

as far as in game dunks goes. carter>jordan>kobe>lebron.

those arguing about wade and kobe. i think they're pretty equal as far elevation however kobes resume (which mind you has many more years of dunks than wade) puts him on top on that one.

[Jacks3]

Anyone who honestly thinks that current Wade has a higher vertical then peak Kobe is a fool.:banghead:

[OldSchoolBBall]

Never in his life has he Kobe the leaping ability to dunk from the FT line. He's a good dunker with a lot of style, but his vert isn't all that spectactular.

I agree. I don't think Kobe could have ever dunked from the FT line. He wasn't fast enough, couldn't get up high enough off one foot, and might lose the ball. The furthest I could see him dunking from is about midway between the hash mark and FT line. I don't think I've ever seen him take off from even there in a game.

Kobe's a far better leaper off of two feet when he gets to take a big gather step and really bend his knees than he is off one foot on a run up.

[Riker]

I see LeCrab next year

Emulating all Jordans dunks



Going for kiss the rim dunk


Getting up...hitting his head on the rim......his headband getting knocked off....receding hairline exposed.......he complaining to the refs about the rim position

Gettin a technical

Being ejected


From the dunk comp

[Diesel J]

Anyone who honestly thinks that current Wade has a higher vertical then peak Kobe is a fool.:banghead:

I read an article (maybe sports illustrated) that wade has 40 inch vertical.. I think Kobe's is only like mid 30's.

[Toizumi]

Kobe has great hops, but it's mostly hangtime, he gets up there but his vert isnt as great as we've seen from other players. Maybe he could/can dunk from the ft line.. :confusedshrug: we know he has smashed it down on big guys and that's what I like to see :D

[Diesel J]

I agree. I don't think Kobe could have ever dunked from the FT line. He wasn't fast enough, couldn't get up high enough off one foot, and might lose the ball. The furthest I could see him dunking from is about midway between the hash mark and FT line. I don't think I've ever seen him take off from even there in a game.

Kobe's a far better leaper off of two feet when he gets to take a big gather step and really bend his knees than he is off one foot on a run up.

yes, similar to jason Richardson. Remember, JRich can't even dunk from the FT line either because he's not a good 1 foot jumper.

[andgar923]

Not sure how accurate this thing is:

Players: Vertical Leap: Standing Reach: Highest Touch:

NBA Players
Vince Carter 43" 8'11" 12'6"
Karl Malone 28" 9'2" 11'6"
Shaq 32" 9'8" 12'4"
Kobe Bryant 38" 8'10" 12'0"
Steve Francis 43" 8'5" 12'3"
Antonio McDyess 42" - -
Allen Iverson 41" - -
Shawn Kemp 40" (Seattle) - -
Rex Chapmann 39" - -
Desmond Mason 38" - -
Shaquille Oneal 32" - -
Lamar Odom 32" - -
Paul Pierce 38"
Shawn Marion 41"
Carmelo Anthony 41"
Ricky Davis 42"
Tracy McGrady 42"
Nate Robinson 43"
Jason Richardson 46"
James White 46"
Harold Miner 44"
Steve Francis 43"
LeBron James 44"
Fred Jones 42"

Legends:
Michael Jordan 48" (Chicago) 8'10" 12'5"
Dominique Wilkins 42" 9'0" 12'6"
Larry Bird 28" 9'1" 11'5"
Dr. J 41" 8'11" 12'4"
Spudd Webb 46" 7'4" 11'2"
Daryl Dawkins 34" 9'4" 12'2"
Dee Brown 44" - -
Harold Miner 44" - -
Julius Erving 43" - -
Larry Nance 40" - -
Ralph Sampson 36" - -
Karl Malone 28"
Magic Johnson 30" - -
Shawn Kemp 40"

Other High Vertical Leaps (Non-NBA)
Kadour Ziani (5'10)
Highest Vertical Leaper from Slamnation 60"
World Record Vertical Leap
Michael Wilson (Globetrotters) 51" - -
Reggie Thompson (Jumpsoles) 56" - -
Ronnie Fields (CBA) 48" - -
Melvin Levett 45" - -
l Pierce Henry Beckering 45"

NFL
Randy Moss 51" (53" running)
- -
Jevon Kearse 265 lbs 40" - -

NCAA
Brandon Dean 39"


I've seen Kobe's vert range from 35-39 no higher; and coincidentally that's the same range that I've seen Wade's vertical as well, in many of the sites I've visited.

Which one is the most accurate? who really knows.

I did see report: http://www.extremeskins.com/archive/index.php/t-28424.html and they had Wade at 35.

Btw.... MJ was dunking from the ft line well into his 30s.

[Brunch@Five]

pathetic thread. You behave like ****ing 13-year-olds

[LA_Showtime]

In another thread..



Now, I don't think KObe could ever dunk from the FT line but also don't think he ever had jaw dropping leaping ability. To me, he's an above average leaper more around that Rudy Fernandez level but clearly not Vince Carter type hops. Does/did Kobe have better hops than D Wade in your opinion? This dunk contest video of Kobe from highschool is all of the proof you need..

1996 High School Dunk contest feat Kobe Bryant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3RnTLLF19o

KObe dunks @

:48 left handed

1:16 gets hung on a 360

1:19 blows a self bounce lob dunk

1:23 baseline reverse

1:25 gets hung again ona simple bound lob dunk that he didn't jump that far out from

His hops clearly don't backup that he was capable of dunking from the FT line

He was never an athletic freak like T-Mac, Jordan, Vince Carter, LeBron, etc but he was a very good athlete. I've never considered him to be a great dunker but that's just my opinion.

[KenneBell]

He's no freak but can he get up better than Wade? Yes.

[The_Yearning]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5EeVLK8XWQ crazy hangtime

that ain't nothing chump Kobe hangs in the air that long on a jump shot kid....

[Rolando]

I hate the lakers. I don't like Kobe. However, you got to give the guy respect for his game and how hard he has obviously worked. He is a great leaper but not amoung the greatest leapers. He gets to the rim with his quickness and slickness as much as leaping ability.

Questioning his leaping ability just makes his numbers that much harder to achieve and therefore highlights Kobes other skill and work ethic. The guy is a great baller.

[KenneBell]

Kobe's a far better leaper off of two feet when he gets to take a big gather step and really bend his knees than he is off one foot on a run up.
Agreed. His distance off of two feet is just a little shorter than off of one. You won't see LeBron or Wade doing anything like this.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akMiX_FKCdQ

It's not a knock as they are very good off of one foot. I think Kobe has a bit better body control than them too. You see him do more of those 180 spins/ contortions while finishing than the others...

[OldSchoolBBall]

Agreed. His distance off of two feet is just a little shorter than off of one. You won't see LeBron or Wade doing anything like this.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akMiX_FKCdQ

It's not a knock as they are very good off of one foot. I think Kobe has a bit better body control than them too. You see him do more of those 180 spins/ contortions while finishing than the others...

Kobe's body control is appreciably better than Lebron/Wade's, and that's actually his biggest athletic advantage over them. I just don't think Kobe could ever do a FT line dunk since he's never been an elite leaper off of one foot.

[vert48]

Kobe was never an elite jumper. Has there ever been a point where he was even the biggest leaper on the Lakers?

[Diesel J]

Agreed. His distance off of two feet is just a little shorter than off of one. You won't see LeBron or Wade doing anything like this.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akMiX_FKCdQ



Lebron could do that for sure but I don't think wade can

Lebron 2 foot jump dunk @ :16

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6H3YgM1JHw&feature=related




...Lebrons leaping makes things look effortless. Check this 2 handed dunk

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/4189/lebrondyl6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KK-hBmkO76w&feature=related

[Diesel J]

Lberon 2 foot dunk vs Germany (Beijing Olympics)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84tPm6yJX04

[gts]

air bud. head clearly above the rim
http://www1.phillyburbs.com/movieguide/images/0320airbud.jpg

[eliteballer]

Seriously, what qualifies as a freak to you guys?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGxX80NHuRs&fmt=18

That's a freak.

[lefthook00]

He had to duck in that pic.

He jumped from one side of the lane, went up with thee ball in one hand, brought it down, cradled it, ducked his head, glided under the rim and dunked it.

http://www.geocities.com/michaeljordangallery23/photo23/8788ASSlamReverseKissTheRimBW.jpg

Remember....... his peak was BEFORE he got to the rim and he STILL HAD TO DUCK.

Its safe to assume that in the height of that dunk he was at least eye level to the rim.

His elbow went INSIDE THE RIM:

Show the youtube video, his head is not at rim level. That is the angle of the picture. Not saying he couldn't get that high, just not on that dunk.

Ya'll are seriously stupid if you think a)Kobe is a better leaper than MJ, or b)Kobe can't dunk from the freethrow line. Obviously Kobe can't get up like Mike, but he can dunk from the freethrow line.

Tracy McGrady doesn't jump as high as LeBron, VC, or Mike. Show me a video or something of T-Mac getting super high. He is LeBron's height and he hasn't ever gotten his head to break the rim-level plane. He looks like he gets higher cuz he has the longest arms ever.

Kobe can jump about the same as Dwade, but Kobe is a little bit taller. And Kobe is a better dunker.

All that being said, Kobe belongs in the VC/Mike category in dunking. Doesn't matter if he doesn't get quite as high. They all have done dunks that the other hasn't. More credit has to be given to in-game dunks than practice/dunk contest dunks. It's just more crazy when opponents are trying to stop you from dunking and you pull some crazy sh*t off.

[DLeagueWannabe]

Show the youtube video, his head is not at rim level. That is the angle of the picture. Not saying he couldn't get that high, just not on that dunk.

Ya'll are seriously stupid if you think a)Kobe is a better leaper than MJ, or b)Kobe can't dunk from the freethrow line. Obviously Kobe can't get up like Mike, but he can dunk from the freethrow line.

Tracy McGrady doesn't jump as high as LeBron, VC, or Mike. Show me a video or something of T-Mac getting super high. He is LeBron's height and he hasn't ever gotten his head to break the rim-level plane. He looks like he gets higher cuz he has the longest arms ever.

Kobe can jump about the same as Dwade, but Kobe is a little bit taller. And Kobe is a better dunker.

All that being said, Kobe belongs in the VC/Mike category in dunking. Doesn't matter if he doesn't get quite as high. They all have done dunks that the other hasn't. More credit has to be given to in-game dunks than practice/dunk contest dunks. It's just more crazy when opponents are trying to stop you from dunking and you pull some crazy sh*t off.

Ding Ding Ding

Thanks, that's all I was saying. Damn near nobody is the athlete Jordan is, duh, that's part of the reason he's Jordan.

But Kobe IS a supreme athlete in his own right, and I can't for the life of me think why some of you would think that a 19-23 yr old Kobe Bryant couldn't dunk from the freethrow line. I'm not saying that he could match Jordan's flair or double pumping while doing it, but thats not the question. The question is whether he could do the dunk plain and simple, and IMO, I believe he can.

[eliteballer]

Wade DOES NOT jump CLOSE to as high as Kobe.

Compare this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOrNe0-DmSQ&=fmt18


To this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGxX80NHuRs&fmt=18

Also, T-Mac's gotten his head at the rim a few times, I've never seen VC get his head higher than that.

[lefthook00]

Wade DOES NOT jump CLOSE to as high as Kobe.

Compare this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOrNe0-DmSQ&=fmt18


To this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGxX80NHuRs&fmt=18

Also, T-Mac's gotten his head at the rim a few times, I've never seen VC get his head higher than that.

You're right, he doesn't consistently get as high as Kobe, but if they put all into 1 dunk, I think Wade could jump as high as Kobe, but 1 or 2 inches less b/c he is shorter.

That one VC oop where VC is running towards the rim, and someone from half court lobs it up, and VC turns back in the air, catches it with one hand then tomahawks it into the rim, I think he was definitely above the rim.

[eliteballer]

Actually, no he wasn't:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4M3CB4YCFI

3 minute mark. VC is as guilty of the long arms illusion you accuse tmac of as anyone.(wade is too)

[Dizzle-2k7]

Kobes pulled plenty of dunks that make Vince look amateur... and Vince has done the same..

2 of my favorite in game dunkers all time next to MJ Kemp, etc

[andgar923]

Since some of you (Kobe homers) keep insisting that Kobe can dunk from the ft line, please provide some evidence.

Or something very very close to it, while getting plenty of air.

And NO, that dunk from the dotted line does NOT qualify as such.

Like I showed, the dotted line is nothing.

I'll be waiting.

And unlike everybody else, you guys are have tons of video footage, so there shouldn't be any excuses.

[eliteballer]

I don't really need video proof. Kobe's one of fastest 6-6+ players ever and also one of the best leapers ever. You can find plenty of HS guys not close to the athlete he is who can do it.

[Dizzle-2k7]

now that I think about it I dont know if Kobe could do it.. Ive never really seen him do alot of 1 footed dunks..

but that dont change the fact he's one of the meanest 2 footed jumpers in NBA History.

[twolvesfan]

its useless debating until he actually has done it. and as far as i know there isnt any video proof of him doing it and because of that i can safely say kobe cannot or never has dunked from the free throw line. although if anyone has video of it ill be the first to admit otherwise

[gts]

now that I think about it I dont know if Kobe could do it.. Ive never really seen him do alot of 1 footed dunks..

but that dont change the fact he's one of the meanest 2 footed jumpers in NBA History.i actually don't think he can, he doesn't have the thighs requred to launch yourself that far, he'd get close in his prime, but those days are gone.. not that's it's some glaring hole in his game...lol,
last time i looked they all count for 2 points and kobe seems to have no problem racking up points

[OldSchoolBBall]

I'm almost certain that Kobe has never been able to do a true FT line dunk. He was never fast enough, wasn't a good enough leaper off one foot, and can't palm the ball (which would help a bit).

He's a much better leaper off of two feet when he has a chance to gather himself. Does anyone have any footage of Kobe jumping off one foot from midway between the hash mark and the FT line, for instance?

That two footed dunk that keeps being posted (the one that didn't count because the play was dead) is really nice, but he did reach forward to dunk it. He dunked it ahead of himself, with his lead arm. Regardless, his two-footed leaping is borderline elite (only guys like MJ, Vince, Nique, and JRich were better; maybe Clyde).

[eliteballer]

Uhhh...a young Kobe was as fast a 6-6 player as your going to find.

[lefthook00]

Actually, no he wasn't:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4M3CB4YCFI

3 minute mark. VC is as guilty of the long arms illusion you accuse tmac of as anyone.(wade is too)

You're right, he didn't get head to rim level. But I swear he has!! He can leap out of the building.

[DLeagueWannabe]

I'm almost certain that Kobe has never been able to do a true FT line dunk. He was never fast enough, wasn't a good enough leaper off one foot, and can't palm the ball (which would help a bit).

He's a much better leaper off of two feet when he has a chance to gather himself. Does anyone have any footage of Kobe jumping off one foot from midway between the hash mark and the FT line, for instance?

That two footed dunk that keeps being posted (the one that didn't count because the play was dead) is really nice, but he did reach forward to dunk it. He dunked it ahead of himself, with his lead arm. Regardless, his two-footed leaping is borderline elite (only guys like MJ, Vince, Nique, and JRich were better; maybe Clyde).


I know his hands aren't as huge as Vince, Mike, or Julius, but that's not the issue...

I'm not talking consistency, I obviously know he couldn't do it in a game, or all the time...

But I'm saying on his best day, with great stretching and rest and good warm up, and a good grip on a ball, you're telling me Kobe Bryant couldn't ever dunk from the freethrow line? All you guys keep talking about in game dunks. Of course he wouldn't try it in a game. lol. But you're telling me in 100 tries from the free throw line, Kobe Bryant couldn't just dunk it once? I'll never believe that.

[twolvesfan]

Uhhh...a young Kobe was as fast a 6-6 player as your going to find.
until kobe proves otherwise he CANNOT do it, it is as simple as thAT

[gts]

DLeagueWannabe, i doubt... and trust me if he could we would have seen it and heard about it, kobe is as much a showman as any of them...

edit: i think i remember an interview with kobe where he even says he can't do it, and talked about doctor j big dunk in the contest back in like 1975 or something

[DLeagueWannabe]

DLeagueWannabe, i doubt... and trust me if he could we would have seen it and heard about it, kobe is as much a showman as any of them...


1 time? not 1 time? I guess we'll all have to agree to disagree.

[gts]

holy cow he can do it wow just wow!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08PNZcwAp9U

[twolvesfan]

holy cow he can do it wow just wow!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08PNZcwAp9U
:roll: and i can shoot 3s with shaq

[Kobe24]

Kobe is hella fast. In 05, in the draft combine or whatever, Felton worked out for LA and they had to test his speed for a certain distance, forgot what he got but Kobe was .2 away from beating Felton. That's in 2005 aka 9 years in the league.

[andgar923]

LOL

He either has, or he hasn't...... its that simple.

Don't give me none of that " I believe he can" bs.

FACT is.... I've never even seen him come close. And best believe that if he could, he would've done so.

I hate to judge him from that High school vid, but he was NOWHERE near close at all. So even if he did increase his vert, it would've had to be a very great deal.

And even then, like many mentioned "he doesn't jump off one foot" and he has small hands.

Does it matter in the overall picture? NO
Does it deteriorate how great he is of a player? ABSOLUTELY NO!

But why do Kobe stans feel the need to lie about it?

Or always theorize about possibilities and probabilities, instead of just deal with current reality?

[Kobe24]

LOL

He either has, or he hasn't...... its that simple.

Don't give me none of that " I believe he can" bs.

FACT is.... I've never even seen him come close. And best believe that if he could, he would've done so.

I hate to judge him from that High school vid, but he was looked NOWHERE near close at all. So even if he did increase his vert, it would've had to be a very great deal.

And even then, like many mentioned "he doesn't jump off one foot" and he has small hands.

Does it matter in the overall picture? NO
Does it deteriorate how great he is of a player? ABSOLUTELY NO!

But why do Kobe stans feel the need to lie about it?

Or always theorize about possibilities and probabilities, instead of just deal with current reality?

LMAO @ you judging a player from a HS video and pretending like you aren't. Of course you haven't seen him come close because he has never attempted it idiot except in HS. You want him to pull that off in a game? :hammerhead:

Kobe doesn't jump off one foot? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jrw4Zb7d9ZY

I've never seen MJ score 81 points in a game or even a simple 360 dunk. Are you saying he can't do it? LMAO @ dudes thinking just because it hasn't been done that it can't be done.

[andgar923]

LMAO @ you judging a player from a HS video and pretending like you aren't. Of course you haven't seen him come close because he has never attempted it idiot except in HS. You want him to pull that off in a game? :hammerhead:

Kobe doesn't jump off one foot? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jrw4Zb7d9ZY

I've never seen MJ score 81 points in a game or even a simple 360 dunk. Are you saying he can't do it? LMAO @ dudes thinking just because it hasn't been done that it can't be done.


LMAO @ idiots thinking that he can do it, even tho he's been nowhere close before.

And :dead: @ MJ not being able to do a 360.

http://www.pacersdigest.com/apache2-default/images/smilies/haha.jpg

[DLeagueWannabe]

LOL

He either has, or he hasn't...... its that simple.

Don't give me none of that " I believe he can" bs.

FACT is.... I've never even seen him come close. And best believe that if he could, he would've done so.

I hate to judge him from that High school vid, but he was looked NOWHERE near close at all. So even if he did increase his vert, it would've had to be a very great deal.

And even then, like many mentioned "he doesn't jump off one foot" and he has small hands.

Does it matter in the overall picture? NO
Does it deteriorate how great he is of a player? ABSOLUTELY NO!

But why do Kobe stans feel the need to lie about it?

Or always theorize about possibilities and probabilities, instead of just deal with current reality?

I'm not a Kobe Stan, if this convo was about anybody else I would be saying the same thing. IMO damn near a 3rd to half of the league could've dunked from the freethrow line at one point in their basketball playing lives. THIS IS THE NBA. The greatest league in the world with some of the best athletes on earth. I know scrubs who long jump 19 - 20 ft that dunk from the freethrow line in high school. To think pros who have dunked on all types of other pros can't is laughable IMO. But to each his own, I'm not knocking your opinion.

[Kobe24]

LMAO @ idiots thinking that he can do it, even tho he's been nowhere close before.

And :dead: @ MJ not being able to do a 360.

http://www.pacersdigest.com/apache2-default/images/smilies/haha.jpg

Show me MJ doing a 360 in a game. He hasn't done it so I'm gonna assume that he can't. See I can play retard!

[andgar923]

Show me MJ doing a 360 in a game. He hasn't done it so I'm gonna assume that he can't. See I can play retard!

Oh... so now its "in a game?"

LOL

How convenient!

FACT IS... we've never ever ever seen Kobe come close in a dunk contest, game, warmups, exhibition, clinic, NOWHERE!!!

And

NEVER!!!

Why you and the rest of the Kobe *** eaters feel the need to lie, is a ****yn joke and a disgrace.

Kobe is the 2nd best shooting guard OF ALL TIME!!!! why ruin his legacy and not just leave it at that?

[Kobe24]

Oh... so now its "in a game?"

LOL

How convenient!

FACT IS... we've never ever ever seen Kobe come close in a dunk contest, game, warmups, exhibition, clinic, NOWHERE!!!

And

NEVER!!!

Why you and the rest of the Kobe *** eaters feel the need to lie, is a ****yn joke and a disgrace.

Kobe is the 2nd best shooting guard OF ALL TIME!!!! why ruin his legacy and not just leave it at that?

Yes, I'm sure I'm ruining his legacy. Fact is, MJ hasn't done a 360 in a game. Fact is, he hasn't shown that he can do it.

[twolvesfan]

when i was in high school i played a pick up game with kg and beat him. of course i didnt tape it so you ghuys are just going to have to take my word for it

[OldSchoolBBall]

Uhhh...a young Kobe was as fast a 6-6 player as your going to find.

If you exclude guys like Jordan, Lebron, and Drexler, sure...

[OldSchoolBBall]

I know his hands aren't as huge as Vince, Mike, or Julius, but that's not the issue...

I'm not talking consistency, I obviously know he couldn't do it in a game, or all the time...

But I'm saying on his best day, with great stretching and rest and good warm up, and a good grip on a ball, you're telling me Kobe Bryant couldn't ever dunk from the freethrow line? All you guys keep talking about in game dunks. Of course he wouldn't try it in a game. lol. But you're telling me in 100 tries from the free throw line, Kobe Bryant couldn't just dunk it once? I'll never believe that.

You can believe what you want, but can you show me even a single in-game dunk where he takes off of one foot even midway between the hash mark and the FT line? I'm not asking for a near FT line in-game dunk, here...

[Younggrease]

You can believe what you want, but can you show me even a single in-game dunk where he takes off of one foot even midway between the hash mark and the FT line? I'm not asking for a near FT line in-game dunk, here...

"the absense of evidence is not the evidence of absense."

[lefthook00]

Oh... so now its "in a game?"

LOL

How convenient!

FACT IS... we've never ever ever seen Kobe come close in a dunk contest, game, warmups, exhibition, clinic, NOWHERE!!!

And

NEVER!!!

Why you and the rest of the Kobe *** eaters feel the need to lie, is a ****yn joke and a disgrace.

Kobe is the 2nd best shooting guard OF ALL TIME!!!! why ruin his legacy and not just leave it at that?

SHUT.UPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP. Many players have done dunks MJ never has. F*CKING JR SMITH has done dunks MJ never has. I guess MJ can't do them, no footage, never been close to it, not in practice, nothing. MJ just can't do it.

[Kobe24]

MJ hasn't done the arm in the rim dunk. No footage, can't do it. MJ hasn't scored 81 points. Hasn't done it which means can't do it. I love MJ fans logic. It's refreshing.

[DLeagueWannabe]

You can believe what you want, but can you show me even a single in-game dunk where he takes off of one foot even midway between the hash mark and the FT line? I'm not asking for a near FT line in-game dunk, here...

Loki, you're a cool dude, and I respect your opinion a great deal, but that fact that he never did it in a game doesn't mean he couldn't do it. And for what it's worth there is a dunk where he took off a step in front like you're asking. Shaq was still on the team and they were in their white unis, so it must have been a Sunday. I vividly remember because I had this convo with some other people before that, and I happened to be watching the game with them that day. After that game they believed me. I'll see if I can find the vid on youtube. But like I said, this isn't about Kobe to me, I'll stand by belief that many more NBA players can do that dunk. This is the NBA we're talking about after all.

[OldSchoolBBall]

MJ hasn't done the arm in the rim dunk. No footage, can't do it. MJ hasn't scored 81 points. Hasn't done it which means can't do it. I love MJ fans logic. It's refreshing.

You don't see the difference between whether someone has done something that involves creativity or body movement as compared to something measurable like distance jumping? Weird. One is basically empirical, the other is like "hey, this dude never thought of doing that."

DLeague, I'm not asking for him to have done an in-game FT line dunk (no one has, really); I'm asking for a midway dunk between the hash mark and FT line, which would at least suggest that he could maybe make the FT line dunk under optimal conditions. I've never seen it.

[twolvesfan]

when i was in high school i played a pick up game with kg and beat him. of course i didnt tape it so you ghuys are just going to have to take my word for it
im surprised people dont find this impressive. a 6'0 white guy beating KG 12-0 in a pick up game

[gts]

Loki, you're a cool dude, and I respect your opinion a great deal, but that fact that he never did it in a game doesn't mean he couldn't do it. And for what it's worth there is a dunk where he took off a step in front like you're asking. Shaq was still on the team and they were in their white unis, so it must have been a Sunday. I vividly remember because I had this convo with some other people before that, and I happened to be watching the game with them that day. After that game they believed me. I'll see if I can find the vid on youtube. But like I said, this isn't about Kobe to me, I'll stand by belief that many more NBA players can do that dunk. This is the NBA we're talking about after all.you're thinking of this one...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akMiX_FKCdQ&feature=related

[Kobe24]

you're thinking of this one...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akMiX_FKCdQ&feature=related

Done with ease. Even cocked it back.

[OldSchoolBBall]

Done with ease. Even cocked it back.

Yeah, I mentioned that dunk in a previous post. It's been posted like 6 times in this thread. It's an excellent dunk, but his front foot is on the hash mark, and he dunks it with his lead hand and extends his arm forward while doing so. Regardless, I've already conceded that Kobe is a near-elite two-footed leaper. I can only think of about 4-6 players who were better in that respect (Nique/MJ/Carter/JRich, maybe Clyde or Tmac...maybe).

But unless you think he could dunk from behind the FT line off two feet (which is absurd), it has no bearing on the discussion at hand.

[andgar923]

LMAO @ the retarded logic by these Kobe ******gers.

No point arguing with retards.

[Jacks3]

Hilarious how obsessed Jordan groupies are with Bryant.
Pathetic.

[Kobe24]

Hilarious how Jordan group!es are still on his dikk 6 years after his retirement. Sad and pathetic.

[DLeagueWannabe]

Yeah, I mentioned that dunk in a previous post. It's been posted like 6 times in this thread. It's an excellent dunk, but his front foot is on the hash mark, and he dunks it with his lead hand and extends his arm forward while doing so. Regardless, I've already conceded that Kobe is a near-elite two-footed leaper. I can only think of about 4-6 players who were better in that respect (Nique/MJ/Carter/JRich, maybe Clyde or Tmac...maybe).

But unless you think he could dunk from behind the FT line off two feet (which is absurd), it has no bearing on the discussion at hand.

After searching, I couldn't find the dunk I was talking about earlier yet, but around the 2:30 mark of this video, I think that should be evidence. Is that far enough in game action? I'll keep looking though

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGxX80NHuRs

[OldSchoolBBall]

After searching, I couldn't find the dunk I was talking about earlier yet, but around the 2:30 mark of this video, I think that should be evidence. Is that far enough in game action? I'll keep looking though

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGxX80NHuRs

The front of his foot is touching the hash mark there. Sick dunk regardless.

I don't want anyone to twist what I'm saying -- Kobe is an elite dunker regardless due to the fact that he is great to elite in all leaping categories (one foot, two feet, off a hop step) and has tremendous body control and creativity. I just think that to do a true FT line dunk at 6'6", you need to have a combination of elite speed and at least a 40-42" running vertical off of one foot. I don't think Kobe ever had at least one, and possibly both of these. And if he didn't have one of them (say, the vert), he'd need to be even better in the other area (speed) or vice versa.

[Flamboyant]

I'd like to add my two cents in here:

1.) I don't think that Kobe can jump from the FT line, and 2.) Whether or not he can or can't jump from the FT line has not much to do with his vertical.

FT line dunk is not as hard of a dunk as some people calim, but it's not that easy as some others do. There are players who can jump from the FT line, but can't do a 360, just like there are players who can do a 360, but not the FT dunk. They don't require the same athletic abilities.

Oh, and BTW andgar923, it's funny to see how you like to call people cuntinuously Kobe stans (and take it further) everytime people disagree with you when Kobe is the topic. Lots of non Kobe fans believe that Kobe can do FT line dunk, and lots of Kobe fans don't. Whats with the repeatative name calling?
Besides if someone has proved himself as a Stan, it was you with this post...


Not sure how accurate this thing is:

Players: Vertical Leap: Standing Reach: Highest Touch:

NBA Players
Vince Carter 43" 8'11" 12'6"
Karl Malone 28" 9'2" 11'6"
Shaq 32" 9'8" 12'4"
Kobe Bryant 38" 8'10" 12'0"
Steve Francis 43" 8'5" 12'3"
Antonio McDyess 42" - -
Allen Iverson 41" - -
Shawn Kemp 40" (Seattle) - -
Rex Chapmann 39" - -
Desmond Mason 38" - -
Shaquille Oneal 32" - -
Lamar Odom 32" - -
Paul Pierce 38"
Shawn Marion 41"
Carmelo Anthony 41"
Ricky Davis 42"
Tracy McGrady 42"
Nate Robinson 43"
Jason Richardson 46"
James White 46"
Harold Miner 44"
Steve Francis 43"
LeBron James 44"
Fred Jones 42"

Legends:
Michael Jordan 48" (Chicago) 8'10" 12'5"
Dominique Wilkins 42" 9'0" 12'6"
Larry Bird 28" 9'1" 11'5"
Dr. J 41" 8'11" 12'4"
Spudd Webb 46" 7'4" 11'2"
Daryl Dawkins 34" 9'4" 12'2"
Dee Brown 44" - -
Harold Miner 44" - -
Julius Erving 43" - -
Larry Nance 40" - -
Ralph Sampson 36" - -
Karl Malone 28"
Magic Johnson 30" - -
Shawn Kemp 40"

....

Not sure if you just came up with the numbers, or did you find this somewhere, but the list has contrdicting information for DR. J (41''), and Julis Erwing (43''). Anyway, this may have been a mistake that you have missed, and I know that you said "Not sure how accurante this is" at the beginning, but if by any means you think MJ had the highest vertical among all these players you are dead wrong. I have never seen MJ taking his whole head above the rim level, while I have seen J-Rich, and James White putting nearly their whole upper body above the rim level.

And :oldlol: at you claiming Kobe has the lowest vertical among all these premiter players besides Magic.

It's joyful to see how Kobe haters have a free pass to come up with forged facts. :applause: Yet people can call the others ******gers for believeing Kobe can do something Brent Barry has done.

As the posters above said. PATHETIC.

P.S.: I didn't mean to post anything offensive to you as a person, but your attitude is just wrong, and exactly like the certain Kobe fans you seem to be annoyed from.

[OldSchoolBBall]

1.) I don't think that Kobe can jump from the FT line, and 2.) Whether or not he can or can't jump from the FT line has not much to do with his vertical.

Uhh, sure it does. Read up on parabolic motion. The only relevant factors are his reach, his running vertical off one foot, and his horizontal speed upon ascent. That's it. It's not solely dependent on his vertical, but that's at least 1/3-1/2 of it.


I have never seen MJ taking his whole head above the rim level, while I have seen J-Rich, and James White putting nearly their whole upper body above the rim level.

No you haven't. :oldlol: Especially JRich. White I've seen get about half his head above rim level, though it was a distorted angle. Not "whole upper body." :oldlol: Come now...

[Flamboyant]

Uhh, sure it does. Read up on parabolic motion. The only relevant factors are his reach, his running vertical off one foot, and his horizontal speed upon ascent. That's it. It's not solely dependent on his vertical, but that's at least 1/3-1/2 of it.



No you haven't. :oldlol: Especially JRich. White I've seen get about half his head above rim level, though it was a distorted angle. Not "whole upper body." :oldlol: Come now...

About his vertical thats pretty much what I meant.

And about J-Rich, and White, I have seen J-Rich getting his chest above the rim level in an in game windmill on an open floor dunk. This was in his sophomore season before winning the dunk contest, and he wasn't much of a superstar, so people weren't like :eek: all over that. As of James White I have seen him touching the highest point of the backborad (not from the front, but the upper part, where they have those writings like i.e. spurs.com) in a documentary about the Spurs.

Trust me as a European, I have seen maybe far more from James White than most Americans have. He has done a between the legs from the FT-line, and a windmill from behind the FT line. That man has ridiculuos jumping abilities.

[Dizzle-2k7]

Kobe is a 2 foot dunker.. who cares about his 1 foot leaping ability? Gee wiz.

Off 2 feet Ill take Kobe over anyone in the league today.

[OldSchoolBBall]

A
And about J-Rich, and White, I have seen J-Rich getting his chest above the rim level in an in game windmill on an open floor dunk. This was in his sophomore season before winning the dunk contest,

I can promise you that he did no such thing. Getting his chest above rim level would require something like a 65-70" vertical. No way. Maybe it looked that way because of the camera angle, but I doubt he got any higher than about 1-3" of his head above the rim, if that.

[andgar923]

Oh, and BTW andgar923, it's funny to see how you like to call people cuntinuously Kobe stans (and take it further) everytime people disagree with you when Kobe is the topic. Lots of non Kobe fans believe that Kobe can do FT line dunk, and lots of Kobe fans don't. Whats with the repeatative name calling?
Besides if someone has proved himself as a Stan, it was you with this post...



Not sure if you just came up with the numbers, or did you find this somewhere, but the list has contrdicting information for DR. J (41''), and Julis Erwing (43''). Anyway, this may have been a mistake that you have missed, and I know that you said "Not sure how accurante this is" at the beginning, but if by any means you think MJ had the highest vertical among all these players you are dead wrong. I have never seen MJ taking his whole head above the rim level, while I have seen J-Rich, and James White putting nearly their whole upper body above the rim level.

And :oldlol: at you claiming Kobe has the lowest vertical among all these premiter players besides Magic.

It's joyful to see how Kobe haters have a free pass to come up with forged facts. :applause: Yet people can call the others ******gers for believeing Kobe can do something Brent Barry has done.

As the posters above said. PATHETIC.

P.S.: I didn't mean to post anything offensive to you as a person, but your attitude is just wrong, and exactly like the certain Kobe fans you seem to be annoyed from.

No offense taken.

A. The posters that aren't Kobe stans believe that he "might" be capable (for the most part); but there's a few Kobe stans that SWEAR he can.

I asked for something simple, I used simple logic.

B. If somebody disagrees with me wether it be a Kobe topic or another topic I will and always have respected respectable arguments. But.... time and time again, Kobe "stans" (I differentiate between Kobe stans and "fans"..... there's a difference.) are the worst type of basketball fans. And I'm not exclusive with that opinion at all. Go to any basketball board or have any basketball convo with anybody, and its almost a gurantee that most will agree. Having said that, I respect Kobe "fans" and I respect a good debate.

If you think I diss Kobe or have it out for Kobe then you (just like many) haven't read all my posts, or have selective memory, since I've defended Kobe and hailed him as the great player that he is. If you missed it, there's nothing I can do about that.

I didn't come up with those stats. I found them the other night while trying to compare verticals.

And if you or anybody else had tried to do some research as well, you/they would've came to the same conclusions that I did.

Kobe and Wade's verticals range from site to site. Same goes for MJ as well. I posted that because it had various player's vert and I thought other posters might be interested. Besides, it was more detailed than the other sites I visited (they included player's reach).

Also.... I NEVER mentioned that Magic had a higher vert than Kobe. Please show me where I posted that nonsense?

And I NEVER mentioned that Kobe wasn't a great athlete. I was just stating the FACTS. If Kobe could dunk from the ft line then I'd be one of the first giving him props for that. I always give Bean props when Props is due, but I point out the FACTS when they need to be presented. Again.... if you miss that, there's nothing I can do about that.

And just because Brent Barry can do something, does that mean that Kobe just has to be able to do it? is there a law somewhere that states that?

What if..... Barry can actually jump higher than Kobe, has bigger hands, longer arms and a longer reach? *gasp*

But NOPE! if Barry a WHITE BOY (since I'm sure that's what many are thinking) can do it, why not Kobe?

Oh.... and.......

http://img.skitch.com/20090221-jgbtj4x1sxawf8i3snqrfndxjq.jpg


http://img.skitch.com/20090221-n1dug2pftsa2xpuxpyanmjfqjn.jpg

http://img.skitch.com/20090221-ggx2tge83g3wue6qpbwd7fj6bd.jpg

NOTE: The first one was part of a one handed pump reverse from the dotted line.

The second and third are part of the black and white pic I posted earlier.

Here's a vid so people can't say... "its the camera angle".....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJ3K05G6QFY

[Juges8932]

I'd be pretty surprised if Larry Bird had as much as a 28 inch vertical...just my opinion.

[Kobe24]

Wow, nice angles. :rolleyes:

[Kobe24]

http://lakers.topbuzz.com/gallery/d/1147-2/kobe-bryant-lamar-odom-r4187481000.jpg

omgz basically the same height! Kobe must be 6-9 and he's tilting his head! angles ftw

[FIXED]

No offense taken.

A. The posters that aren't Kobe stans believe that he "might" be capable (for the most part); but there's a few Kobe stans that SWEAR he can.

I asked for something simple, I used simple logic.

B. If somebody disagrees with me wether it be a Kobe topic or another topic I will and always have respected respectable arguments. But.... time and time again, Kobe "stans" (I differentiate between Kobe stans and "fans"..... there's a difference.) are the worst type of basketball fans. And I'm not exclusive with that opinion at all. Go to any basketball board or have any basketball convo with anybody, and its almost a gurantee that most will agree. Having said that, I respect Kobe "fans" and I respect a good debate.

If you think I diss Kobe or have it out for Kobe then you (just like many) haven't read all my posts, or have selective memory, since I've defended Kobe and hailed him as the great player that he is. If you missed it, there's nothing I can do about that.

I didn't come up with those stats. I found them the other night while trying to compare verticals.

And if you or anybody else had tried to do some research as well, you/they would've came to the same conclusions that I did.

Kobe and Wade's verticals range from site to site. Same goes for MJ as well. I posted that because it had various player's vert and I thought other posters might be interested. Besides, it was more detailed than the other sites I visited (they included player's reach).

Also.... I NEVER mentioned that Magic had a higher vert than Kobe. Please show me where I posted that nonsense?

And I NEVER mentioned that Kobe wasn't a great athlete. I was just stating the FACTS. If Kobe could dunk from the ft line then I'd be one of the first giving him props for that. I always give Bean props when Props is due, but I point out the FACTS when they need to be presented. Again.... if you miss that, there's nothing I can do about that.

And just because Brent Barry can do something, does that mean that Kobe just has to be able to do it? is there a law somewhere that states that?

What if..... Barry can actually jump higher than Kobe, has bigger hands, longer arms and a longer reach? *gasp*

But NOPE! if Barry a WHITE BOY (since I'm sure that's what many are thinking) can do it, why not Kobe?

Oh.... and.......

http://img.skitch.com/20090221-jgbtj4x1sxawf8i3snqrfndxjq.jpg


http://img.skitch.com/20090221-n1dug2pftsa2xpuxpyanmjfqjn.jpg

http://img.skitch.com/20090221-ggx2tge83g3wue6qpbwd7fj6bd.jpg

NOTE: The first one was part of a one handed pump reverse from the dotted line.

The second and third are part of the black and white pic I posted earlier.

Here's a vid so people can't say... "its the camera angle".....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJ3K05G6QFY

He has just shut all the Kobe Fans up. Kobe Fan can you find pictures of Kobe getting over rim. We have MJ pics we have Bron Pics now we are looking for Kobe Pics

[gts]

do they get extra points if their head goes above the rim?

seriously who cares? only idiots argue about this ****...

kobe has a nice selection of shots to draw from and he's has shown no lack of ability to put the ball in the hole... and the last i checked that was the purpose of the game..


dominque drj mj kobe elgin lebron carter all have a beautiful selection of shots but you morons arguing back and forth over it cheapens it... enjoy the game, enjoy the players, all of them bring various skills to the table that are few and far between...

it's fine to discuss it and even critic it but the non stop back and forth bickering like school girls is just plain stupid..

you guys have all this great knowledge on the game and i love reading your posts and watching the videos, but you fu*k it all up by being so b*tchy as you promote your agendas...lol

[Scott Pippen]

I'd like to add my two cents in here:

1.) I don't think that Kobe can jump from the FT line, and 2.) Whether or not he can or can't jump from the FT line has not much to do with his vertical.

FT line dunk is not as hard of a dunk as some people calim, but it's not that easy as some others do. There are players who can jump from the FT line, but can't do a 360, just like there are players who can do a 360, but not the FT dunk. They don't require the same athletic abilities.

Oh, and BTW andgar923, it's funny to see how you like to call people cuntinuously Kobe stans (and take it further) everytime people disagree with you when Kobe is the topic. Lots of non Kobe fans believe that Kobe can do FT line dunk, and lots of Kobe fans don't. Whats with the repeatative name calling?
Besides if someone has proved himself as a Stan, it was you with this post...



Not sure if you just came up with the numbers, or did you find this somewhere, but the list has contrdicting information for DR. J (41''), and Julis Erwing (43''). Anyway, this may have been a mistake that you have missed, and I know that you said "Not sure how accurante this is" at the beginning, but if by any means you think MJ had the highest vertical among all these players you are dead wrong. I have never seen MJ taking his whole head above the rim level, while I have seen J-Rich, and James White putting nearly their whole upper body above the rim level.

And :oldlol: at you claiming Kobe has the lowest vertical among all these premiter players besides Magic.

It's joyful to see how Kobe haters have a free pass to come up with forged facts. :applause: Yet people can call the others ******gers for believeing Kobe can do something Brent Barry has done.

As the posters above said. PATHETIC.

P.S.: I didn't mean to post anything offensive to you as a person, but your attitude is just wrong, and exactly like the certain Kobe fans you seem to be annoyed from.
I have seen those same vertical numbers years ago on jumpusa website. Again I don't know how accurate it is since Jordan never even tested his vertical.

[Flamboyant]

andgar923, I wasn't comparing Kobe's, and MJs verticals in my post. MJ has probably higher vertical than Kobe, but I'm 100% positive, that he doesn't have the vertical of Richardson, or White. (which was so according to your list)

As of Kobe, I mentioned that in the list you gave, every premiter player BESIDES Magic (30''), had equal or higher vertical than Kobe. For instance I'm 100% sure that Kobe has a higher vertical than Pierce, both of whom you had listed as 38''. Pierce is taller, and can't do the dunks Kobe can.

And when I mentioned Barry, I took that as an example, that people you wouldn't expect may be able to do certain dunks. I personally wouldn't have bought that Barry was going to jump from the FT line. When he did it I was like :wtf:

But I completely agree with you on your logic that unless he has done something close to it, we can't say that he can do it.

Anyway, it wasn't me having a problem with your post, but I was just saying that the generalization you were doing was wrong at times.

But anyway, let's leave this alone.

Have a nice day.

[andgar923]

andgar923, I wasn't comparing Kobe's, and MJs verticals in my post. MJ has probably higher vertical than Kobe, but I'm 100% positive, that he doesn't have the vertical of Richardson, or White. (which was so according to your list)

As of Kobe, I mentioned that in the list you gave, every premiter player BESIDES Magic (30''), had equal or higher vertical than Kobe. For instance I'm 100% sure that Kobe has a higher vertical than Pierce, both of whom you had listed as 38''. Pierce is taller, and can't do the dunks Kobe can.

And when I mentioned Barry, I took that as an example, that people you wouldn't expect may be able to do certain dunks. I personally wouldn't have bought that Barry was going to jump from the FT line. When he did it I was like :wtf:

But I completely agree with you on your logic that unless he has done something close to it, we can't say that he can do it.

Anyway, it wasn't me having a problem with your post, but I was just saying that the generalization you were doing was wrong at times.

But anyway, let's leave this alone.

Have a nice day.

As I've stated before, I didn't make the list and I only posted the list because it had the most details.

It also has the maximum of the vertical jumps that I've seen from around the net.

If I posted one of the other links in which they listed Kobe's vert at 35' all hell would've broken loose. I just tried to be as objective as possible.

Also.... I never argued that MJ had a higher vert than JRich or James White. I really could care less, MJ is a superior player and I'm content with that. Not sure why Kobe stans don't feel the same way.

And when I refer to some people as Kobe stans, well.... I'm not generalizing I'm specifically referring to those that are Kobe stans.

Notice I didn't call out every Kobe fan, since not all Kobe fans agreed with the twisted logic that Kobe "stans" used.

I was referring to a few posters that I'm sure had some Kobe fans shrugging in embarrassment.

So I really wasn't generalizing.

Kobe "stans" are irrational.
Kobe "fans" are

Kobe "stans" make up excuses for Kobe's failures, diminish past eras, and put down other Laker players

Kobe "fans" recognize Kobe's shortcomings and failures, but still accept him and other great players without downplaying their accomplishments or creating fantasy filled scenarios.

If you go to my YouTube page, I have friends that are Kobe "fans" and I have fav a Kobe vid.

Good night

[Diesel J]

About his vertical thats pretty much what I meant.

And about J-Rich, and White, I have seen J-Rich getting his chest above the rim level in an in game windmill on an open floor dunk. This was in his sophomore season before winning the dunk contest, and he wasn't much of a superstar, so people weren't like :eek: all over that.



LOL @ this:roll:

[Juges8932]

LOL @ this:roll:

Yeah haha, noooooooo kidding. If anybody can do that, then :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Scott Pippen]

wow I missed that statement.

"Chest" above rim? Was he jumping with a trampoline? :confusedshrug:

It is one thing to say head level at rim, which many players have done before, including Kobe. But chest to rim?

[Scott Pippen]

Also to add if Kobe cannot dunk from FT line it is probably because of the type of jumper that he is instead of his "low" vertical jump alone. He is not as good a 1 legged leaper as he is 2 legged jumper. This would back-up Jerry West's statement that rookie Kobe touched the top of the backboard. I have heard that Jeff Foster can jump from the FT line. Would you say he is better raw athlete than Kobe? There is no need for all the *****ing in this thread on both sides.

[DLeagueWannabe]

The front of his foot is touching the hash mark there. Sick dunk regardless.

I don't want anyone to twist what I'm saying -- Kobe is an elite dunker regardless due to the fact that he is great to elite in all leaping categories (one foot, two feet, off a hop step) and has tremendous body control and creativity. I just think that to do a true FT line dunk at 6'6", you need to have a combination of elite speed and at least a 40-42" running vertical off of one foot. I don't think Kobe ever had at least one, and possibly both of these. And if he didn't have one of them (say, the vert), he'd need to be even better in the other area (speed) or vice versa.

I know its the hash mark, but its at the curve, about midway between the end of the dotted and the freethrow line. It's not your normal dotted line dunk, plus its from an angle

[andgar923]

Not that it matters, and I'm not posting this to prove a point, something I just noticed and taught I'd share:

http://img.skitch.com/20090221-gjs7wndim4ke33fittdyc28js5.jpg

2:00 into this vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXnMxCuJaCY

Now consider the angle where he jumps from in this next clip. Also consider how high his head is.

The angle and distance he jumps from is equaled to a half a step on the ft line:

http://img.skitch.com/20090221-d1rx72rpfshmqjc717qgjma1aj.jpg

This is at 1:13 from the same link.

Check out his head....

He's still rising!

[OldSchoolBBall]

I know its the hash mark, but its at the curve, about midway between the end of the dotted and the freethrow line. It's not your normal dotted line dunk, plus its from an angle

Dude, his foot is directly in front of the basket, not on an angle at all. So it's touching the part of the hash mark that is closest to the basket. So it is, in fact, a "normal" dotted line dunk (save for the fact that it was a spectacular dunk due to the extension and contact).

[DLeagueWannabe]

Dude, his foot is directly in front of the basket, not on an angle at all. So it's touching the part of the hash mark that is closest to the basket. So it is, in fact, a "normal" dotted line dunk (save for the fact that it was a spectacular dunk due to the extension and contact).


we're not talking about the same dunk, because in the one I'm talking about there is no contact. It's a break away with no one near him.

[OldSchoolBBall]

we're not talking about the same dunk, because in the one I'm talking about there is no contact. It's a break away with no one near him.

I'm talking about the one you posted a link to before and said it was at the 2:30 mark, which is his famous dunk over Ben Wallace from preseason in his first or second year.

[Kappy]

I wonder what Shannon Brown's vertical leap is .... ????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2zyWVieESg

:eek:


BTW, Lebron has the hops, but Kobe has the pizzazz!!!

[Dizzle-2k7]

Anyone got vid of Jordan doing a 360?

[Revelation]

Bryant has a confirmed 38' vertical leap -- not great, but not bad at all. I would imagine Wade's vertical leap is around the same. Neither are up there with the great leapers such as LeBron, Jordan, Carter, etc..

[jamal99]

Here's the article about Jeff Foster's FT line dunk...


As a rookie Foster couldn't crack coach Larry Bird's rotation, but when Isiah Thomas took over in 2000-01, he gave the long Texan a long look. Foster responded by averaging 5.5 rebounds in 16.2 minutes; his 16.3 mark per 48 minutes ranked fifth in the league. Foster is remarkably athletic—he wowed Thomas by dunking from the free throw line after a practice last year. "I can't be in the dunk contest because I don't do anything else," laments Foster, 24. "That's where the white guy thing comes in. I don't have the rhythm to do a windmill."

http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1024678/index.htm

[DCL]

jumping long also has to do with technique. you can have a high vertical but still not jump far. so much has to do with how you plant the foot.

[andgar923]

Anyone got vid of Jordan doing a 360?

Closest to an "in game" 360 is the 1st dunk here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJ3K05G6QFY

Here's a 360 mix:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwGoJtC_UmE

[andgar923]

In this clip : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwyqE22CSyM

Go to 1:08 seconds

Keep in mind that he basically does this off one step NO RUNNING HEAD START (I might be wrong tho) off two feet, AND he goes up with TWO hands WITH THE BALL (which is different than jumping without the ball with one hand).

http://img.skitch.com/20090221-cmusud9p9n3pxthb57baj3w139.jpg

http://img.skitch.com/20090221-qa1tgk3rqj28831hagiaa96gb6.jpg

I think he might be slightly higher than the time I paused it. Its hard to be precise with YouTube at times.

Not convinced?

Look at how high his feet are from the floor, also compare them to the defender next to him.

[Maniak]

Kobe can jump so high....he can touch the clouds man.....NAWMEEN?

[OldSchoolBBall]

In this clip : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwyqE22CSyM

Go to 1:08 seconds

Keep in mind that he basically does this off one step NO RUNNING HEAD START (I might be wrong tho) off two feet, AND he goes up with TWO hands WITH THE BALL (which is different than jumping without the ball with one hand).

http://img.skitch.com/20090221-cmusud9p9n3pxthb57baj3w139.jpg

http://img.skitch.com/20090221-qa1tgk3rqj28831hagiaa96gb6.jpg

I think he might be slightly higher than the time I paused it. Its hard to be precise with YouTube at times.

Not convinced?

Look at how high his feet are from the floor, also compare them to the defender next to him.

Yeah, I can't stand the fact that we have no close-up or different angle of that dunk. I've always said that that's the highest I've ever seen someone get on an alley-oop.

Here's another good one, though the pausing of the video takes away from the amazingness of the jump, because I have this game on DVD, and when you see it in motion all the way through your jaw drops (I think the video creator paused it before the highest point of the jump, actually):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2ajygPaNyE&feature=channel_page

[the.powerhouse]

Legend has it Kobe once dunked on Chuck Norris! Then he told him that his movies sucked

[DLeagueWannabe]

I'm talking about the one you posted a link to before and said it was at the 2:30 mark, which is his famous dunk over Ben Wallace from preseason in his first or second year.

Sorry Loki, its the dunk right after that, my bad. The 2:32 mark. Here's the video again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGxX80NHuRs

[andgar923]

Yeah, I can't stand the fact that we have no close-up or different angle of that dunk. I've always said that that's the highest I've ever seen someone get on an alley-oop.

Here's another good one, though the pausing of the video takes away from the amazingness of the jump, because I have this game on DVD, and when you see it in motion all the way through your jaw drops (I think the video creator paused it before the highest point of the jump, actually):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2ajygPaNyE&feature=channel_page

Yeah... that might be the highest I've seen somebody on an oop with "two" hands, I'm not sure about just an alley oop in general. But also, most of the time people get a running start.

And that vid you posted, I've seen him get higher than that, although still impressive.

[eliteballer]

Yeah... that might be the highest I've seen somebody on an oop with "two" hands, I'm not sure about just an alley oop in general. But also, most of the time people get a running start.

And that vid you posted, I've seen him get higher than that, although still impressive.

LOL @ you trying to use THAT angle to judge how high he got. Jokes:roll:

[OldSchoolBBall]

Sorry Loki, its the dunk right after that, my bad. The 2:32 mark. Here's the video again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGxX80NHuRs

Very hard to see the hash marks, but it looks like it might qualify if you extend it in an arc to the middle of the lane, yes.

[DLeagueWannabe]

Very hard to see the hash marks, but it looks like it might qualify if you extend it in an arc to the middle of the lane, yes.t

yeah, thats pretty much all I'm saying. Is Bryant Jordan? Of course not...But If Mike could dunk from the freethrow line almost on call for about 10+ years, I think its safe to say Kobe could have done it during a window of about 3-4 years at his absolute athletic zenith.

[JJ81]

VC's favourite dunk that he ever did was his elbow dunk... which he got from Kobe!:oldlol:

[OldSchoolBBall]

t

yeah, thats pretty much all I'm saying. Is Bryant Jordan? Of course not...But If Mike could dunk from the freethrow line almost on call for about 10+ years, I think its safe to say Kobe could have done it during a window of about 3-4 years at his absolute athletic zenith.

I only think Jordan was capable of dunking from the FT line from about 1984 until 1991 or so. Maybe '92 at the latest. Btw, just to clarify, when I said that that dunk would "qualify," I meant as a dunk from at least midway between the hash mark and FT line, not as an in-game FT line distance dunk.

I really just don't think he could have done it. Someone on another board who is well-versed in physics actually worked out what the difference is in terms of vertical leap between being able to dunk from 2 feet in front of the line and from legit behind the line, and it was very significant. Like, in the first case you'd only need say a 38" vert, but in the other you'd need a 42+" vert. I just don't think Kobe ever had a 42" vert off of one leg, because that would put the top of his head at rim level, which I've never seen from him off a one-legged takeoff (off of two feet I've seen him get close).

[andgar923]

VC's favourite dunk that he ever did was his elbow dunk... which he got from Kobe!:oldlol:

That's actually a playground dunk.

Most dunks (and moves) done by players are taken from playground ballers.

[Diesel J]

I'd like to add my two cents in here:

1.) I don't think that Kobe can jump from the FT line, and 2.) Whether or not he can or can't jump from the FT line has not much to do with his vertical.

FT line dunk is not as hard of a dunk as some people calim, but it's not that easy as some others do. There are players who can jump from the FT line, but can't do a 360, just like there are players who can do a 360, but not the FT dunk. They don't require the same athletic abilities.



360 is waay easier than a FT line dunk. It's not up for debate. Anyone with hops can pull of a 360..even Pg's

TJ Ford ally oop 360 dunk (2 handed!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3id_fZzbNg

How many PG's do you know that can dunk from the FT line?:oldlol:

[Biddy77]

why does it matter who has the highest vertical?

wade and kobe *both* have gross numbers of dunks over the course of their careers. haggling over altitude is stupid. that globetrotter with the 51" vertical (as measured while he was at Memphis in college) has what... 0 nba dunks?

brandon roy and OJ mayo have 41" verticals... and neither one of them dunks half as much as Kobe *or* Wade, neither of whom have that much raw lift.

[Maniak]

VC's favourite dunk that he ever did was his elbow dunk... which he got from Kobe!:oldlol:

That must make Kobe the GOAT Dunker

[Kobe24]

LOL @ you trying to use THAT angle to judge how high he got. Jokes:roll:

LMAO I know! MJ fans are delusional.

[El Seano]

Hey Kobe stan, get over your homosexual man-crush, become a true NBA fan.

The best NBA athletes ever:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyFMCnHxcxE

Some sick dunkers:
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/466977/bruce_blitz_dunk_mix_feat_greatest_dunks_ever_supe rman_theme/

&

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/468663/bruce_blitz_dunk_mix_pt_5_you_have_to_see_this/

Clyde Drexler = better jumper than Kobe!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tw7nvYeDRKo

D Wade is a better athlete than Kobe, having a better season than Kobe, has more finals MVP's than Kobe:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1SKFntjMYE

LeBron James head above the rim(You wish Kobe fans):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agHH7o2sz6I

:hammertime:

You sir, are incredibly intelligent.

[AznTacoLover]

I think he could've done it in his earlier stages.. :D
but now I don't know..

[Diesel J]

Seriously, STOP comparing Wade's hops to Kobe's. You've done it more than once and it's INSULTING. Wade has a weak vert but long arms so he can still smash on people. Also LOL @ you using a 17 year old Kobe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akMiX_FKCdQ&=fmt18




Wade the other day

http://i43.tinypic.com/2eod08n.jpg

[VeeCee15]

Kobes jumping ability is not ELITE never was, never will be.

Nice dunk on dwight though..but he rode dwight up a few inches.

[VeeCee15]

Kobes jumping ability is not ELITE never was, never will be.

Nice dunk on dwight though..but he rode dwight up a few inches.


Anyway, Kobes hops are comparable to Rudy Fernandez..but Kobe could probably jump a tad higher.

[JonnyBigBoss]

he jumped over a pool of snakes dude...

And a really expensive car that I don't know the model of.

[BallPhunk]

Wade the other day

http://i43.tinypic.com/2eod08n.jpg

Not sure what that proves, but whatever. He made it look good, but a fairly crap dunk.

The only thing funnier than this discussion are those pictures posted a few pages back trying to prove Jordan's head was above rim level with those little yellow arrows. :lol

[Diesel J]

Not sure what that proves, but whatever. He made it look good, but a fairly crap dunk.



To show that wade is capable of doing what Kobe did in the quoted youtube video

Wade and Kobe have equal hops

[Biddy77]

all of the kobe vs lebron vs wade dunk blah blah is LOL to me...

at this point in the season, lebron has 120 dunks, wade has 118, and kobe has 58. given that kobe is so much older than the other guys, that's no knock on him. he's had a lot of seasons with gross dunk totals, and we've all seen a billion highlights of him smashing on people in traffic.

all 3 guys dunk a *lot*.

[KenneBell]

Wade and Kobe have equal hops

Not really. Wade is just a slight bit behind especially compared to age 24/25 Kobe.

[Juges8932]

Hey Kobe stan, get over your homosexual man-crush, become a true NBA fan.

Sad thing is, you really probably don't even see the irony....

[eliteballer]

Wade's HEAD IS BELOW THE BOTTOM OF THE NET ON THAT DUNK:oldlol: He only completed it because he has long arms. He will never, EVER have hops like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGxX80NHuRs&fmt=18

[BallPhunk]

Hey Kobe stan, get over your homosexual man-crush, become a true NBA fan.


Sad thing is, you really probably don't even see the irony....

Easily my favorite reply of the year. Easily...

:lol

[Meticode]

http://www.travelizmo.com/archives/spring-shoes.jpg

[FIXED]

Wade took off from the dotted line 2 ft WOW.

I am pretty sure Kobe can dunk from the FT line.

[DTD]

hey guys! Look at me, look at me! Serious issue here, Kobe sucks!