Is Shaq Proof that Fat>Muscle? Would Dwight be more dominant with some fat? [Archive] - Message Board Basketball Forum

highwhey

03-03-2009, 02:04 AM

Shaq said he is around 11-12%. I think more around 16-17%.
Suns medical staff said he's at 12% this year. For Dwight to be as dominant as Shaq, he needs a certain thing called skill. Doesn't matter if you're a freak of nature, you need to be able to shoot, move with your feet, etc. Dwight is learning tho, but nowhere near as polished as he needs to be.

JEFFERSON MONEY

03-03-2009, 02:07 AM

I'll tell you one thing from experience. I've been at < 7% BF before and I've learned that my max baskeball performance is better when I've got a bit of gordo on me say around 10%. Not sure behind scientific explanation but rdiiculously low BF is only good for aesthetics.

Showtime

03-03-2009, 02:09 AM

Yes, Oliver Miller > Hakeem.

Please, just stfu Borz you bring down my IQ every time I read your posts. It's not the body, it's how the guy uses his body.

highwhey

03-03-2009, 02:10 AM

Yes, Oliver Miller > Hakeem.

Please, just stfu Borz you bring down my IQ every time I read your posts. It's not the body, it's how the guy uses his body.
^^^

LakerKid1998

03-03-2009, 02:18 AM

just look at the big guys footwork... very good and he is like what 7' 1 or 2

Lodi Dodi

03-03-2009, 02:21 AM

Charles Barkley nuff said.

BirdOverrated

03-03-2009, 02:23 AM

Fat Shaq>>>>>>Skinny Shaq

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/04NS2L4dNHeWp/340x.jpg
http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2008/0625/pg2_g_shaq_magic_412.jpg
http://www.thepostgame.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/shaquille-oneal.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_BboPdvtwT7Y/SXEeZyPBqDI/AAAAAAAAAGI/yeME7197i6Q/s320/shaq_lsu1a.jpg

plowking

03-03-2009, 02:28 AM

Throughout most of his career he's been at the 10-13% mark. That's not a lot, considering the average is 14% for males.

Auka

03-03-2009, 03:53 AM

http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2008/0625/pg2_g_shaq_magic_412.jpg

He looks like a taller, bulkier Carlton of the Fresh Prince of Bel-Air:roll:

DahLollipop

03-03-2009, 04:00 AM

He looks like a taller, bulkier Carlton of the Fresh Prince of Bel-Air:roll:

He looks more like Carlton than Will.. :roll:

wozzler

03-03-2009, 04:04 AM

Yeah Shaq is taller than Dwight and has much better footwork. I also think people forget that Shaq was just as athletic as Dwight if not more gifted back in the day..

Shaq is no way 12%, you cant really see any definition, I'd say around 16% as opposed to dwight/lebrons 7/8%.

blackification

03-03-2009, 04:08 AM

We will see tomorrow when shaq goes off on dwight.

DonDadda59

03-03-2009, 04:21 AM

Why do people continue to take Alborz seriously? Honestly, the guy is asking if Dwight Howard would somehow get better offensively by taking more midnight trips to the McDonald's drive-thru. How stupid of a topic/question is this? Skill>Physical prowess, otherwise Ben Wallace would be regarded as one of the best players ever based on his build. Dwight Howard could put on 50 lbs of pure, greasy fat and he'd still be a limited and one-dimensional offensive player. Shaq has been documented as being around 10-12% for the majority of his career and it's not inconceivable that a man who is nearing his 38th birthday might be a little bit heftier than he was in his 20s. And by the way, in no way, shape, or form is 'fat' Shaq better than his 'skinny' past self. 'Skinny' Shaq used to rip down rims, backboard and all, as a pastime and carried Kobe's ass to 3 titles.

Sir Charles

03-03-2009, 04:27 AM

Shaq is both strong, fat, and agile. He has been the most dominant big man ever.

Dwight is strong and lean, would he more dominant with some fat?

Fat is not > Muscule the combination of those two and speed or agility is most dangerous but by the way:

Natural Strength > Muscule Tone and Shaq has all that he is like a taller version of Barkley with less offensive skills, ball handling etc...

Aussie Dunker

03-03-2009, 04:49 AM

I dont think he is the proof, i think he is the exception...

there have been many fat players that have failed, many...but look at a 22 year old Shaq, similar body to what Dwight has, Dwight might end up more Shaq size than some people think?...

kobesabi

03-03-2009, 05:11 AM

Shaq is both strong, fat, and agile. He has been the most dominant big man ever.

Dwight is strong and lean, would he more dominant with some fat?
Probably so. It depends on position. If you are a guard, lean muscle > fat. If you are center or forward, it seems some little extra fat > muscle.

Just look at Pierce, Perkins. They all got some extra poundage on them that made them easier to anchor their position and easier to use their phat azz to nudge their way back toward the paint. As long as it is not so overweight that they can't run, it seems to be an advantage if they are playing Center.

Dresta

03-03-2009, 05:40 AM

no, Shaq is 4 inches taller with a much better post up game, Howard's already grabbing more boards the Shaw ever did which is a better indicator of athletic ability.

TheWitness

03-03-2009, 06:04 AM

Howard just needs more force in his game...

muscle-wise and athleticism-wise... Dwight is above shaq... i dont know why shaq is more dominant in his prime... LOL!

LJJ

03-03-2009, 06:28 AM

Shaq is a freak. Bottom line.

Just because it works for Shaq doesn't mean it'll work for anyone.

step_back

03-03-2009, 07:46 AM

Shaq still has a low body fat but he is not as toned as he was in previous years. He stopped lifting weights a few seasons back. When someone stops lifting weights they are not as cut and defined. See jermaine o'neal as well, not fat just not as cut.

Dwight would not benefit at all from having a higher body fat, fat would slow him down, reduce his vert and wear him down in games.

if fat were to improve a centres performance eddy curry would be an all star.

gotbacon23

03-03-2009, 07:59 AM

man, that shawn kemp sure stepped up his game when he discovered dunkin donuts...

http://alleyoopscoop.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/shawn-kemp.jpg

http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site36/2006/0604/20060604_121333_sp04spears.jpg

ohhh i forgot, muscular shawn kemp was an all-star in a "weak" era and fat shawn kemp only got cut from the nuggets cause it was the "GOAT" era. if shawn kemp had been fat in that weak era, he would have been MVP every year.... :rolleyes:

please ban this birdoverrated idiot.

2LeTTeRS

03-03-2009, 08:16 AM

Fat players also tend to get injured more frequently, are less quick, less lift/explosion, aren't as flexible and have less endurance. Are you seriously claiming more fat = better player?

biisak

03-03-2009, 08:26 AM

Stones can

Mikaiel

03-03-2009, 10:28 AM

man, that shawn kemp sure stepped up his game when he discovered dunkin donuts...

Well actually he had his best scoring season in Cleveland when he got fat :oldlol:

TheWitness

03-03-2009, 10:33 AM

LOL! Shawn Kemp Lost his jump when he got fat...

:lol :lol

gotbacon23

03-03-2009, 10:35 AM

Well actually he had his best scoring season in Cleveland when he got fat :oldlol:

of course you are gonna score more points when the other top scorers on your team are wesley person, derek anderson, cederic henderson, and brevin knight (big z only played 5 games that year). thats quiet a step down from gary payton, detlef scremph, hersey hawkins, and sam perkins. nobody could score on the cavs at all but kemp, whereas on seattle payton and schremph were capable of dropping 25 ppg on other teams, and hawkins was a former 20 ppger.

Smokee

03-03-2009, 10:42 AM

Me and Nexus got into the biggest back and forth over this a long ass time ago. Well him and some others while i was arguing Shaq was better when he had fat, and before Riley got a hold of him.

He's gained weight since being in Miami, right? He just looks more like the old Laker Shaq than the Heat Shaq. He almost looked skinny, relatively speaking, with the Heat.

Anyways i think players grow up and learn to play with whatever type bodies they grew up with. LIke Zach Randolph has always probably been fat. Barkley was always probably kind of overweight. They learn to use that weight to their advantage, and it can be advantageous despite what some fitness nut might say :rolleyes: I've played bball with fat people that took up so much paint space, that there clearly are advantages to being at least somewhat overweight, depending on the person. I think its ignorant to assume everyone would be better lean like some people here pretend :rolleyes:

VCMVP1551

03-03-2009, 10:44 AM

Nope. The main reasons Shaq was so much better than Dwight are his superior footwork, post moves and passing ability, plus the fact that he's 3-4 inches taller.

Shaq weighed 340 when he had easily his best season(1999-2000). This was what he looked like on media day that season.
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/NBA7902/Shaqmediaday2.jpg
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/NBA7902/Shaq19992000.jpg

So no, fatter is not better. If you looked at Shaq's other best seasons 2000-2001, 1994-1995, 1993-1994, 1997-1998, 2004-2005 ect. He was always in the 300-350 range. The only exceptions were 2001-2002 and 2002-2003 where he was upwards of 380, but as a result his defense declined and he wasn't at the level he was during the first 2 years of the 3peat.

trig

03-03-2009, 10:51 AM

dwight needs fatter footwork, passing and lowpost moves

juju151111

03-03-2009, 12:02 PM

Shaq is both strong, fat, and agile. He has been the most dominant big man ever.

Dwight is strong and lean, would he more dominant with some fat?
LOL DW needs more skillz not fat.Pah showing his low IQ again.

swyftdahoe

03-03-2009, 12:26 PM

Shaq got fat for a while but that was only a few years. Other than that, he's been a beast. Oh, and his quick post up moves after getting deep post position was insane! Kids w' short memories. Dwight's got a long ways to go to catch up to Shaq in the skills department. Oh, and Shaq has superior intellect, basketball iq, and passing ability.