2009 Draft

[Kebab Stall]

Well, since this has been a very uneventful season for us Grizz fans, I thought I'd start this thread. We have pretty much nothing to talk about regarding the Grizzlies, who have gone 6-26 since the start of '09, so we may aswell give ourselves something to talk about, that being this year's draft.

This is probably the event I've been looking forward to most, ever since this lackluster season started. However, what I'm not looking forward to is seeing the Grizz get screwed once again and get a terrible pick. I wouldn't be surprised if some how we didn't even get a top 5 pick and to be honest, I'm kind of expecting to get a bad pick.

So who are the players we should be looking at?

Here's my list of guys that should be on the list (there not specifically ordered, but the players who we should go for are going to be higher on the list).....

Blake Griffin - PF - If, by some freak of nature, we get the first pick, Griffin will be a no brainer. But I can almost garuntee we won't get the first pick, so we don't really need to worry about this one.

Greg Monroe - PF - Yes, his stock has fallen, but he fits this team so well. Excellent high post player and a very good passer, he would definitly work well with cutters like Conley and Mayo. He's my first choice after Griffin. He may take a while to get going in the pros, but in a few years he'll be an excellent player. However, I have feeling that he'll return for a second year at G'Town after his poor season.

Earl Clark - SF/PF - I really like Clark, he's athletic and incredibly gifted player. If we pick him, I can see him coming off the bench to start and as he gains confidence and the coaches support I can see him becoming a solid player for us. Kind of like a much better and much more versatile Darrell Arthur. He can run, rebound, pass, shoot and is strong and athletic. If Monroe doesn't enter the draft, I think he might be our first option.

Hasheem Thabeet - C - Great size, solid defender at the college level, his lack of athleticism may be a disadvantage in the pros. He'd definitly bring that extra defensive presence that we need and as they say, you can't teach height, but you can teach a guy to put the ball in the basket. He'd definitly need to work on his offensive game, but overall, he'd be a good pick.

Jordan Hill - PF - Strong player, will fill a need at PF, but not nearly as talented as Monroe, or as versatile as Clark. We should only pick him if both Monroe and Clark are gone.

Stephen Curry - PG/SG - He will definitly fill a need that this team has, that being a shooter who can spread the floor and also fill the backup PG/SG position. Having Curry behind Conley and Mayo, would be fun to watch. In this case, we look to get a PF propsect with our late first round pick we got from Orlando.

James Harden - SG - His best attribute is his IQ and selflessness. We already have Mayo, but taking Harden will open up many trade scenarios for us. We don't need both Harden and Mayo, so Harden would most likely get traded. If we had a need for a starting SG, Harden would be much higher on this list, but we don't really have a need for him.


What's everyone's opinions on this year's draft?

Who should we draft?

What should we be looking for?

[Mississippi]

I'm really hoping that we at least get a top 3 pick and the obvious guys would be Griffin, Monroe, & Harden. We really don't need Harden but I think if he's available, we should draft him because we could get something good in return through a trade. Harden is the third best player in the draft and we'd be stupid to pass up on him. In the event that we are out of the top 5, we should go after a big like Craig Brackins who alot of people are sleeping on. He plays somewhat like Chris Bosh. He can bring the ball up the court and step out and knock down the three. I wouldn't be surprised if Rudy Gay is traded on draft day. A team like the Spurs could use his services. They've been looking to get a young wing for years now and he'd be a good fit. I really want Terrance Williams on this team though. He does every thing that Rudy doesn't. He will get you a triple double on any given night.

[Kebab Stall]

Williams is an excellent player, but I only see him playing as an SF on a small team. And I don't see Memphis trading Gay away, to make room for Williams. If we got Williams, he would probably be traded, as would Harden if we got him. There's not point in holding on to all these talented players, because someone is going to be getting limited minutes, which isn't fair and might cause friction.

If we get anyone from Louisville, I hope it's Clark. I'm really enjoying the way he plays.

[brandonislegend]

I'm really hoping that we at least get a top 3 pick and the obvious guys would be Griffin, Monroe, & Harden. We really don't need Harden but I think if he's available, we should draft him because we could get something good in return through a trade. Harden is the third best player in the draft and we'd be stupid to pass up on him. In the event that we are out of the top 5, we should go after a big like Craig Brackins who alot of people are sleeping on. He plays somewhat like Chris Bosh. He can bring the ball up the court and step out and knock down the three. I wouldn't be surprised if Rudy Gay is traded on draft day. A team like the Spurs could use his services. They've been looking to get a young wing for years now and he'd be a good fit. I really want Terrance Williams on this team though. He does every thing that Rudy doesn't. He will get you a triple double on any given night.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[gasolina]

Well, since this has been a very uneventful season for us Grizz fans, I thought I'd start this thread. We have pretty much nothing to talk about regarding the Grizzlies, who have gone 6-26 since the start of '09, so we may aswell give ourselves something to talk about, that being this year's draft.

This is probably the event I've been looking forward to most, ever since this lackluster season started. However, what I'm not looking forward to is seeing the Grizz get screwed once again and get a terrible pick. I wouldn't be surprised if some how we didn't even get a top 5 pick and to be honest, I'm kind of expecting to get a bad pick.

So who are the players we should be looking at?

Here's my list of guys that should be on the list (there not specifically ordered, but the players who we should go for are going to be higher on the list).....

Blake Griffin - PF - If, by some freak of nature, we get the first pick, Griffin will be a no brainer. But I can almost garuntee we won't get the first pick, so we don't really need to worry about this one.

Greg Monroe - PF - Yes, his stock has fallen, but he fits this team so well. Excellent high post player and a very good passer, he would definitly work well with cutters like Conley and Mayo. He's my first choice after Griffin. He may take a while to get going in the pros, but in a few years he'll be an excellent player. However, I have feeling that he'll return for a second year at G'Town after his poor season.

Earl Clark - SF/PF - I really like Clark, he's athletic and incredibly gifted player. If we pick him, I can see him coming off the bench to start and as he gains confidence and the coaches support I can see him becoming a solid player for us. Kind of like a much better and much more versatile Darrell Arthur. He can run, rebound, pass, shoot and is strong and athletic. If Monroe doesn't enter the draft, I think he might be our first option.

Hasheem Thabeet - C - Great size, solid defender at the college level, his lack of athleticism may be a disadvantage in the pros. He'd definitly bring that extra defensive presence that we need and as they say, you can't teach height, but you can teach a guy to put the ball in the basket. He'd definitly need to work on his offensive game, but overall, he'd be a good pick.

Jordan Hill - PF - Strong player, will fill a need at PF, but not nearly as talented as Monroe, or as versatile as Clark. We should only pick him if both Monroe and Clark are gone.

Stephen Curry - PG/SG - He will definitly fill a need that this team has, that being a shooter who can spread the floor and also fill the backup PG/SG position. Having Curry behind Conley and Mayo, would be fun to watch. In this case, we look to get a PF propsect with our late first round pick we got from Orlando.

James Harden - SG - His best attribute is his IQ and selflessness. We already have Mayo, but taking Harden will open up many trade scenarios for us. We don't need both Harden and Mayo, so Harden would most likely get traded. If we had a need for a starting SG, Harden would be much higher on this list, but we don't really have a need for him.


What's everyone's opinions on this year's draft?

Who should we draft?

What should we be looking for?

Can anyone point out if any of these guys are playing on the big dance? I'm too lazy to look for them. Just wanna know how these guys play at all.

I've only seen as much as Blake Griffin highlights and one Stephen Curry game

[Kebab Stall]

Blake Griffin - Oklahoma - Yes.

Greg Monroe - Georgetown - No, unless for some crazy reason G'Town get selected to take part, I highly doubt it though.

Earl Clark - Louisville - Yes. They just won the Big East conference last night, after beating Syracuse. Should be a number 1 seed. Clark is my guy to watch for this tourney.

Hasheem Thabeet - UConn - Yes. Should be a number 1 seed.

Jordan Hill - Arizona - I think they will be in.

Stephen Curry - Davidson - Don't know. Probably will be.

James Harden - Arizona State - Yes.

[Mississippi]

:roll: :roll: :roll:
What's so funny? If you have seen Williams play, then you wouldn't be laughing. He's undersized but he does it all on the court unlike Rudy who just sits out on the perimeter and jack up contested shots.

[GoldMedallist]

Size is not everything. If it was, Haddadi would be a starter in the team, not a D-Leaguer.

[Kebab Stall]

What's so funny? If you have seen Williams play, then you wouldn't be laughing. He's undersized but he does it all on the court unlike Rudy who just sits out on the perimeter and jack up contested shots.
Triple double is a bit too much, but Williams can do just about everything. He can score, rebound, pass and steal the ball.

He had 11/7/6 and 7 steals against Syracuse in the Big East championship game. The guy can do everything.

[Mississippi]

Triple double is a bit too much, but Williams can do just about everything. He can score, rebound, pass and steal the ball.

He had 11/7/6 and 7 steals against Syracuse in the Big East championship game. The guy can do everything.
Who said anything about a triple double?

Terrance Williams is listed at 6'6 but I actually think he's closer to 6'4 which will most likely prevent him from being a three in the NBA.

[Kebab Stall]

Who said anything about a triple double?

Terrance Williams is listed at 6'6 but I actually think he's closer to 6'4 which will most likely prevent him from being a three in the NBA.
It was mentioned in your first post.

I think a few players will be measured undersized. Griffin might be closer to 6'8 than 6'10. Clark might be close to 6'7 than 6'9. As long as no one is as exaggerated as Beasley was last year, then it really shouldn't be too much of a problem.

The only player I can see it hurting is Blair. If he measures lower than 6'7, his stock might be hurt quite a bit.

[Mississippi]

It was mentioned in your first post.

I think a few players will be measured undersized. Griffin might be closer to 6'8 than 6'10. Clark might be close to 6'7 than 6'9. As long as no one is as exaggerated as Beasley was last year, then it really shouldn't be too much of a problem.

The only player I can see it hurting is Blair. If he measures lower than 6'7, his stock might be hurt quite a bit.
Oh okay I thought you were implying that from the last post that I posted. I still think he can get a triple double or close to it on any given night. He fills the stat sheet up.

[jailer]

Wow I would love to get terrence williams here. He would be a huge upgrade over buckner and ross off the bench. The problem is that he will not fall to us.

If we end up with thabeet I think we should trade millic for a pick or two. The thunder have like five picks this draft. We could probably get one of theirs. Maybe the one thats ranked 16.

[derf]

we have terrible luck in the draft .i can see us getting five or six.the draft class is not great this year.with our second round pick we need to pick lester hudson.

[jailer]

I agree its not full of stars like the draft last year. But it is full of good role players. If you get lucky you could find a player or two to clean up our horrible bench.

[Kebab Stall]

I agree its not full of stars like the draft last year. But it is full of good role players. If you get lucky you could find a player or two to clean up our horrible bench.
That's how I see this draft. It's not talentless as some people seem to claim, there's a lot of talented players in this year's that will make a lot of teams happy. They may not be stars like the draftees of '08, but the majority of them will be solid players.

[marqui78]

I want us to draft Jordan Hill, Dionte Chirstmas, and Eric Maynor. This will make our bench and starting lineup stronger. Hill has so much upside he reminds me of Amare. Dionte's that three point shooter we've been missing this season. Maynor's has all the tools to be a great point or backup. Then in the offseason add vets that can bring scoring, toughness, rebounding, leadership, and defense.

[jailer]

There are alot of players in this draft that our good depending on where you take them. Like dejuan blair is a good player depending on where he goes. If he goes top ten then thats a bad pick but if he falls to twenty or higher then thats a great steal. I think alot of trading will happen and alot of teams will let their players fall to them or trade down for them.

[Mississippi]

Rudy and OJ can't play well on the same night for some reason.

[jailer]

We just need more talent on this oster. Hopefully by next season we will have it.

[gasolina]

I agree, our rotation has 3 players who getting PT before they got here. Jaric, Buckner, and Ross. Not to mention Darrell Arthur who I don't think deserves to start.

[jailer]

Yeah the off season and draft lottery cant seem to get here fast enough

[Kebab Stall]

The offseason seems like lightyears away as a Grizzlies fan. There better be some good moves this offseason, because I can't take this losing anymore.

[Mississippi]

I'm still kind of pissed we didn't make a run at Luther Head. That would have solved one of our problems.

[Mississippi]

As with our other teams, we’re assuming the cap either holds steady or decreases.

So if it holds steady, the Grizzlies could have a little over $20 million, if they lose Buckner and Warrick, assuming Buckner’s guaranteed portion of his contract is only a six figure sum. If the Grizzlies choose to keep Buckner+Warrick, that cap space could decrease to $10mil.

If the cap decreases to $56 million, the Grizzlies would have a little over $18mil in cap space. Once again, the combined cost of Buckner’s deal and Warrick’s cap hold, could take that down a further $10mil.

I think it’s safe to assume Memphis will cut Buckner loose. I also think it’s safe to assume that Memphis will let Warrick leave should they want to sign any high priced talent, but may consider keeping him for 12 months should they fail to find that talented star. So in all likelihood they’ll have somewhere between $18-20 million to spend this summer.

If we can't get Greg Monroe or Blake Griffin I think we should use our cap space and sign either Paul Millsap or David Lee and use our first round picks to land us a backup pg and a shooter.

[Kebab Stall]

Someone made a post on the Memphis Grizzlies official website message board, that there's only about 8 or 9 guys who are still under contract this offseason. If that's case and we don't resign Hak, then there'll be a lot of movement.

We've got 2 first round picks, so that's 2 garunteed contracts, providing we don't trade down. Another second round pick, but that's not a garunteed contract.

So we're going to have to spend money this offseason, there's no being cheap and getting the smallest contract Wallace can find. He's going to have to dip into that cap space and bring in some veteran talent.

[jailer]

Yeah I think if we dont resign anyone who's contract is up. We will have around 23 million. Thats a good chunk of change. You could get milsap and a good shooter. Like M'cants or korver. Then another solid role player. Then you would have the rookies coming in. Then you buy out the bad contracts like buckner and jaric cause their jst dead weight on the team.

[gasolina]

Who's that other first rounder we got in the draft?

It'll be interesting how we draft this year. We have so many holes its almost impossible to go wrong with the draft.

Then again, Stromile and Stevie begs to differ

and Troy Bell!

[jailer]

Any new talent on this team with potential is welcome in my book

[Kebab Stall]

I just hope we don't trade away picks for players who can't help the team. We need to get all we can from this draft. There's not many great players in this draft, so having more picks is always good in this scenario, if we trade away picks and trade down, it's going to make things look worse. Coming away from this draft with only one player is not going to improve your team, unless you get the 1st pick, so you need to take a couple of players.

[gasolina]

Any new talent on this team with potential is welcome in my book

No I meant which other team's 1st rounder do we have in the draft. Someone said we had two 1st rounders this year.

Maybe we can use that other pick for Psycho T?

[Kebab Stall]

No I meant which other team's 1st rounder do we have in the draft. Someone said we had two 1st rounders this year.

Maybe we can use that other pick for Psycho T?
We've got Orlando's first rounder. Depending on how far Hansbrough falls and how high that Orlando pick is, we might be able to get him, but I don't see Hansbrough going past 25.

[gasolina]

Well Tyler's stock would only go up because of the final four. Damn, and people were saying that he was only worth a late 1st rounder last year.

We need someone to mix it up inside and hustle. Warrick is just too thin and inconsistent to be a full time starter

[Interminator]

Well Tyler's stock would only go up because of the final four. Damn, and people were saying that he was only worth a late 1st rounder last year.

We need someone to mix it up inside and hustle. Warrick is just too thin and inconsistent to be a full time starter
I don't think a guy like Dejuan Blair would fall that far though.

Leo Lyons?

Too high?

[jailer]

What about pendergraph? He is the power forward for arizona state. He is talented.

[Kebab Stall]

What about pendergraph? He is the power forward for arizona state. He is talented.
Where would he fall? Could we pick him up with our second round pick? I haven't seen much of him, I did see him against Syracuse in the NCAA tourney and he showed a few nice moves.

He doesn't look to be too great athletically. If we can't get a nice PF early in the draft, he might be a nice consolation prize.

[gasolina]

I know the consensus around here is to get a good PF out of the draft. Unless a miracle happens and we get Griffin or Hill or Monroe then we're stuck with middle of the road PFs worthy of middle of the road picks.

What's your take on drafting a big wingman, and making Gay play PF. He has shown that he could board these past few games. Also, that might light a fire in him to take it to the hole more because of the speed mismatch.

(snickers at the thought of having a gay power forward)

Someone like Keith Bogans would do wonders on this team as a 6th man. Brings perimeter D which is somewhat nonexistent now.

[Interminator]

I know the consensus around here is to get a good PF out of the draft. Unless a miracle happens and we get Griffin or Hill or Monroe then we're stuck with middle of the road PFs worthy of middle of the road picks.

What's your take on drafting a big wingman, and making Gay play PF. He has shown that he could board these past few games. Also, that might light a fire in him to take it to the hole more because of the speed mismatch.

(snickers at the thought of having a gay power forward)

Someone like Keith Bogans would do wonders on this team as a 6th man. Brings perimeter D which is somewhat nonexistent now.
Rudy Gay should not & would not be a PF on any team.

I've said this before that we should look into moving Rudy Gay if we end up in the range to draft Blake Griffin.

[Kebab Stall]

I know the consensus around here is to get a good PF out of the draft. Unless a miracle happens and we get Griffin or Hill or Monroe then we're stuck with middle of the road PFs worthy of middle of the road picks.

What's your take on drafting a big wingman, and making Gay play PF. He has shown that he could board these past few games. Also, that might light a fire in him to take it to the hole more because of the speed mismatch.

(snickers at the thought of having a gay power forward)

Someone like Keith Bogans would do wonders on this team as a 6th man. Brings perimeter D which is somewhat nonexistent now.
If that's what you're looking to do, draft Earl Clark. He's a big swingman, he'll look more average in the NBA, but at the collegiate level, he towers over most SF's. He's 6'9, he's got incredible length, he's a solid scorer and a strong rebounder. Could do with a bit more weight on him. And I'm a bit concerned with his attitude, as he doesn't have that 'killer instinct', as they say. He looks like he half arses most of the time and doesn't really put much effort in, yet he still looks great.

Though, I am a little bit biased towards this guy.

[brandonislegend]

What about pendergraph? He is the power forward for arizona state. He is talented.

He is Tyson Chandler 2 imo.

[Mississippi]

I'm still hoping we snag T Will with our second 1st rd pick. He'd be good to have off of our bench.

[jailer]

I would still try and trade millic or something else for the thunders number 16 pick. I would sign milsap and not worry about griffin. And draft thabeet or jordan hill.

[Mississippi]

If we signed Millsap then why would we need Thabeet when we already have Gasol at center. I can see us drafting him and trading him for a more established player.

[marqui78]

I want Greg Monroe because he's the total package. The kid can do it all plus Mayo, Rudy, Conley, and Gasol numbers will go up. I want Monroe, Sam Young, and Dionte Christmas. By adding them to have two soild bench guys. Young bring added scoring and defense. Dionte hit the clutch threes we need. Resign Hak then sign Sessions, and Anderson Varjareo.

[jailer]

You cant sign sessions. He will want to start. You have conley for that now that he has proven that he is capable of playing at a high level.

I done see why thabeet and gasol couldnt play together at our center spots. Gasol is a great backup at best. He is nice to start now but we need a center with mor versatility and potential. I agree that marc has been some nice games together as of late but I dont know how much better he can get.

[Kebab Stall]

Thabeet is not that versatile as a player. Defensively he's great, offensively, he sometimes struggles against college guys, despite being a good 6 or so inches taller than then majority of other players at the center position. At the NBA level, he's really going to struggle offensively. He doesn't have much bulk and can look extremely slow out there. Thabeet's pontential is in his rebounding and defense.

Gasol on the other hand is a solid player on both ends of the court. Another year or two and he'll be putting up atleast, 15/8 consistently.

[Mississippi]

So out of all the free agent power fowards I'm hoping we can sign either Paul Millsap, David Lee or Leon Powe.

[jailer]

Thabeet is not that versatile as a player. Defensively he's great, offensively, he sometimes struggles against college guys, despite being a good 6 or so inches taller than then majority of other players at the center position. At the NBA level, he's really going to struggle offensively. He doesn't have much bulk and can look extremely slow out there. Thabeet's pontential is in his rebounding and defense.

Gasol on the other hand is a solid player on both ends of the court. Another year or two and he'll be putting up atleast, 15/8 consistently.

The difference is that thabeet likes playing defense he takes pride in getting boards and blocking shots. That gets him going. He is a dominant defensive presence. Gasol will never be that guy. Marc has alot of hustle but that dosent hide the face that he has very little athleticism, he gets beat off the dribble to much. Hasheem dosent demand the ball like darko does every time down the floor. And he is not a blackhole like darko either. Im just saying I wouldnt be mad if we draft him.

[jailer]

So out of all the free agent power fowards I'm hoping we can sign either Paul Millsap, David Lee or Leon Powe.
I would love to get lee or milsap.

[GoldMedallist]

The difference is that thabeet likes playing defense he takes pride in getting boards and blocking shots. That gets him going. He is a dominant defensive presence. Gasol will never be that guy. Marc has alot of hustle but that dosent hide the face that he has very little athleticism, he gets beat off the dribble to much. Hasheem dosent demand the ball like darko does every time down the floor. And he is not a blackhole like darko either. Im just saying I wouldnt be mad if we draft him.

if Marc is a bad defensive Center, then there is no good defensive center in all damn league.

[Kebab Stall]

The difference is that thabeet likes playing defense he takes pride in getting boards and blocking shots. That gets him going. He is a dominant defensive presence. Gasol will never be that guy. Marc has alot of hustle but that dosent hide the face that he has very little athleticism, he gets beat off the dribble to much. Hasheem dosent demand the ball like darko does every time down the floor. And he is not a blackhole like darko either. Im just saying I wouldnt be mad if we draft him.
I wouldn't mind getting him either, but if we do draft him, we better look to get a better offensive PF. Arthur is close to useless, though I can't help but like him, and Hak is way too inconsistent to be any kind of threat.

[Interminator]

You cant sign sessions. He will want to start. You have conley for that now that he has proven that he is capable of playing at a high level.

I done see why thabeet and gasol couldnt play together at our center spots. Gasol is a great backup at best. He is nice to start now but we need a center with mor versatility and potential. I agree that marc has been some nice games together as of late but I dont know how much better he can get.
wut?

Marc Gasol has impressed in just 1 season in the NBA, the potential for him is to develop into a Top 5 C in the NBA.

[Interminator]

I would love to get lee or milsap.
I would actually rather get Boozer but he wont consider us.

But I would rather have Milsap considering he rebounds well and is more capable of putting up points and he might enjoy Memphis instead of laugh at playing here.

Mike Conley has changed my impression, I'm glad he is coming into his own but he needs to cut down on his overdribbling,work on his outside shot,and develop into a better penetrator to the basket.

[derf]

i dont know who we should get with our first pick but we need a backup point guard.lester hudson will be a great pick.good shooter,defender,rebounder and hes from memphis.

[jailer]

if Marc is a bad defensive Center, then there is no good defensive center in all damn league.

Stop thinking like a homer and stop being defensive. Mark tries to play defense. He is not a bad defensive presence but he is not nearly as good as hasheem. And if your saying that marc is the best center in the league then I am done trying to tell you my opinion. Cause it would be quite obvious that you dont know what your talking about.

[jailer]

I would actually rather get Boozer but he wont consider us.

But I would rather have Milsap considering he rebounds well and is more capable of putting up points and he might enjoy Memphis instead of laugh at playing here.

Mike Conley has changed my impression, I'm glad he is coming into his own but he needs to cut down on his overdribbling,work on his outside shot,and develop into a better penetrator to the basket.

I like boozer as well. But he is 28 and wants a max deal. He is not worth a max deal imo. He is injured to often and will be in his early thirties before you know it. Maybe if he was 26 I would throw the boat at him.

[derf]

boozer probably would have the same effect brand had on the sixers bosh would be a good fit

[GoldMedallist]

Stop thinking like a homer and stop being defensive. Mark tries to play defense. He is not a bad defensive presence but he is not nearly as good as hasheem. And if your saying that marc is the best center in the league then I am done trying to tell you my opinion. Cause it would be quite obvious that you dont know what your talking about.

It's you who says a guy who hasn't played a single NBA game would be a better defender than a guy who has played some nice defense his rookie year, has played with professionals several years and has much upside if he receives the touches he needs; and you forget he is 6-7 in a great rookie promotion.

Sorry, but it's you who is thinking like a homer rigth now.

[Interminator]

i dont know who we should get with our first pick but we need a backup point guard.lester hudson will be a great pick.good shooter,defender,rebounder and hes from memphis.
Lester Hudson is a 2nd Round sleeper.

He struggled in the pre draft camps,showed average athleticism,and the fact he is already 25 wont help him get into the 1st Round.

Lester actually is older than LeBron James.

[Mississippi]

Lester Hudson is a 2nd Round sleeper.

He struggled in the pre draft camps,showed average athleticism,and the fact he is already 25 wont help him get into the 1st Round.

Lester actually is older than LeBron James.
He's second in the nation in scoring right, because we can use another scorer coming off of the bench.

[jailer]

It's you who says a guy who hasn't played a single NBA game would be a better defender than a guy who has played some nice defense his rookie year, has played with professionals several years and has much upside if he receives the touches he needs; and you forget he is 6-7 in a great rookie promotion.

Sorry, but it's you who is thinking like a homer rigth now.

How exactly am I thinking like a homer? Im am from memphis and watch Gasol play every game. Then I read about him and his improvements after each game. Hasheem play for UCONN and is originally from Africa. I hold no ties from either of those places. I have watched about 20 Uconn games this season. By watching both players over the season IMO I think Hasheem has more to offer defensively. Marc has a better offensive post game. But he is more of a power player and not as quick. He is also going on 23 and plays overseas for spain almost every offseason. Meaning his body will be more exhausted as the year goes on. Leading to less playing time and more injuries just like pau.

Hasheem looks like he could really turn into a poor mans Dikembe Mutumbo. A shot blocking monster on the glass. I would gladly take a chance on him if he is still on the board.


Arent you also from spain. Which is partly why I called you a homer.

[Kebab Stall]

I'm all for getting Thabeet, if there is no one better to take, i.e. if Monroe is still available, we better pick him up.

[GoldMedallist]

Arent you also from spain. Which is partly why I called you a homer.

I was going to tell some points you made that aren't valid, but since you said that, I won't waste my time speaking with you anymore. I only like speaking with people who has an intellectual quotient above 70 (you know, smarter than a monkey).

[Interminator]

He's second in the nation in scoring right, because we can use another scorer coming off of the bench.
I'm not exactly sure how efficient Lester is since he takes almost all of his teams shots.

The only problem with him is that he struggled so badly at PG in the predraft camps that it caused him to return this season.

I only have seen him play once and they used a lot of screens on the perimeter for him to shoot.

If he can become a Daniel Gibson-like spot shooter off the bench we'll be lucky.

[jailer]

I was going to tell some points you made that aren't valid, but since you said that, I won't waste my time speaking with you anymore. I only like speaking with people who has an intellectual quotient above 70 (you know, smarter than a monkey).


I can only guess that your an immature teenager. So I think you need to grow up and learn to debate topics with other people with out resulting to insults or child like comments.

If youre not under the age of twenty. Then I feel really sad for the people around you in your day to day life that have to deal with your child like behavior at such a mature age.

[jailer]

I'm not exactly sure how efficient Lester is since he takes almost all of his teams shots.

The only problem with him is that he struggled so badly at PG in the predraft camps that it caused him to return this season.

I only have seen him play once and they used a lot of screens on the perimeter for him to shoot.

If he can become a Daniel Gibson-like spot shooter off the bench we'll be lucky.

I would rather try and Maynor or Lawson as our back up point guard. I dont really want a high volume scoring point guard from college. Maybe if conley was still playing poorly then I could understand going for a guard like that. But even then I would suggest going for Curry.

[Interminator]

I would rather try and Maynor or Lawson as our back up point guard. I dont really want a high volume scoring point guard from college. Maybe if conley was still playing poorly then I could understand going for a guard like that. But even then I would suggest going for Curry.
If Lawson's game translates to the NBA, I would rather have him over Mike Conley now.

Lawson's speed,quickness,and his ability to penetrate is unrivaled even at a NBA level.

The only player who gets up the court quicker than Lawson is CP3.

[marqui78]

I'm still very high on Jordan Hill. I think he has the tools to be a good pf. He's improved on alot things this season. Plus he carried Zona this year inte NCAA. I think he would add toughness to the frontcourt. Plus look Zona history of producing good NBA guys. Amare worked out with him this past offseason. Then go after some really good shooters. I want Dionte Christmas and Stephen Curry.

[jailer]

I'm still very high on Jordan Hill. I think he has the tools to be a good pf. He's improved on alot things this season. Plus he carried Zona this year inte NCAA. I think he would add toughness to the frontcourt. Plus look Zona history of producing good NBA guys. Amare worked out with him this past offseason. Then go after some really good shooters. I want Dionte Christmas and Stephen Curry.

I like jordan hill and christmas. I would think that would be a solid draft getting those two players. Then if we were able to some how get lawson or terrence williams as well. Then that would a great step forward.

[Kebab Stall]

Hill looks very skinny, he needs to bulk up a bit before he can continuously match up well with NBA caliber PF's.

I'd be happy with Hill, he'd sure as hell be an improvement over Arthur.

[jailer]

Hill looks very skinny, he needs to bulk up a bit before he can continuously match up well with NBA caliber PF's.

I'd be happy with Hill, he'd sure as hell be an improvement over Arthur.

Yeah I kinda agree with that. But their have been alot of players that werent very big but were able to come in and be effective. Like chris bosh or kevin durant. Just two examples

[Interminator]

Yeah I kinda agree with that. But their have been alot of players that werent very big but were able to come in and be effective. Like chris bosh or kevin durant. Just two examples
Regarding Hill I'm not sure he would be a Bosh type in the NBA.

If anybody watched Arizona the past 2 seasons, Jordan Hill goes up hard for boards and outmuscles other big men although you wouldn't expect him to.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/photos/uncategorized/2009/03/12/hill.gif

[jailer]

I wasnt saying hill's game was like bosh's. I was just saying that their bodies were alot alike coming out of college.

[Interminator]

I wasnt saying hill's game was like bosh's. I was just saying that their bodies were alot alike coming out of college.
http://imagecache.allposters.com/images/pic/PHO/AAJO119~Chris-Bosh-Georgia-Tech-Yellow-Jackets-Posters.jpg

Hill has a bigger frame than Bosh.

[jailer]

http://imagecache.allposters.com/images/pic/PHO/AAJO119~Chris-Bosh-Georgia-Tech-Yellow-Jackets-Posters.jpg

Hill has a bigger frame than Bosh.
Ya think so? I dont know bosh has a good frame he just didnt have that much muscle on him. Hill has more weight on him then bosh did out of school.

Dosent really matter either way. If hill is good then his game will be all that matters in the league.

[Mississippi]

We should have kept Shaun Livingston. He's playing well for OKC.

[jailer]

We should have kept Shaun Livingston. He's playing well for OKC.

Him or steve francis. I dont think the griz anticipated trading lowry.

[Interminator]

Him or steve francis. I dont think the griz anticipated trading lowry.
I think we anticipated moving either Lowry or Conley by the deadline.

Portland offered a solid package during the offseason of Outlaw,& either a player/pick for Conley.

I'm glad we made the move we made involving Lowry.

[marqui78]

YOUR 2009-2010 GRIZZLIES LINEUP

PG - Mike Conley, Jr./Stephen Curry/Mark Jaric
SG - O.J. Mayo/Rodney Carney
SF - Rudy Gay/Josh Childress
PF -Paul Milsap/Hakim Warrick/DA
C - Marc Gasol/Hasheem Thabeet/Haddadi

Now this is a playoff team lookout Portland. Childress and Carney would be our answer to Outlaw, and Rudy Fern.

[Interminator]

YOUR 2009-2010 GRIZZLIES LINEUP

PG - Mike Conley, Jr./Stephen Curry/Mark Jaric
SG - O.J. Mayo/Rodney Carney
SF - Rudy Gay/Josh Childress
PF -Paul Milsap/Hakim Warrick/DA
C - Marc Gasol/Hasheem Thabeet/Haddadi

Now this is a playoff team lookout Portland. Childress and Carney would be our answer to Outlaw, and Rudy Fern.
That is absolute bull****.

Eat ****.

[marqui78]

That is absolute bull****.

Eat ****.

You shouldn't talk to your mother that way

[Mississippi]

YOUR 2009-2010 GRIZZLIES LINEUP

PG - Mike Conley, Jr./Stephen Curry/Mark Jaric
SG - O.J. Mayo/Rodney Carney
SF - Rudy Gay/Josh Childress
PF -Paul Milsap/Hakim Warrick/DA
C - Marc Gasol/Hasheem Thabeet/Haddadi

Now this is a playoff team lookout Portland. Childress and Carney would be our answer to Outlaw, and Rudy Fern.
We're not getting both Curry and Thabeet. I expect Curry to be gone by our last pick of the first round. If we don't get Griffin, Monroe, Thabeet or Hill then I think we should just go after another guard.

Free agents I'd like us to go after include Jarret Jack, Paul Milsap, David Lee, Linas Klieza, Jamario Moon, Leon Powe, Von Wafer, Trevor Ariza and Channing Frye. I'm not sure if Hakim Warrick will be back. It all depends on what kind of deal he is looking for.

[marqui78]

We're not getting both Curry and Thabeet. I expect Curry to be gone by our last pick of the first round. If we don't get Griffin, Monroe, Thabeet or Hill then I think we should just go after another guard.

Free agents I'd like us to go after include Jarret Jack, Paul Milsap, David Lee, Linas Klieza, Jamario Moon, Leon Powe, Von Wafer, Trevor Ariza and Channing Frye. I'm not sure if Hakim Warrick will be back. It all depends on what kind of deal he is looking for.

I think Curry will drop because of guys like Jennings, Lawson, Maynor, Flynn, and Teague. I know he kind of had a off year. Think he may slide just alittle. I would love to have Trevor Ariza but the Lakers will resign him.

[Maniak]

YOUR 2009-2010 GRIZZLIES LINEUP

PG - Mike Conley, Jr./Stephen Curry/Mark Jaric
SG - O.J. Mayo/Rodney Carney
SF - Rudy Gay/Josh Childress
PF -Paul Milsap/Hakim Warrick/DA
C - Marc Gasol/Hasheem Thabeet/Haddadi

Now this is a playoff team lookout Portland. Childress and Carney would be our answer to Outlaw, and Rudy Fern.
:oldlol: that is such a terrible team I dont even know where to start.

[marqui78]

:oldlol: that is such a terrible team I dont even know where to start.

How about you explain why say that? Maybe you can convince because last time I checked. Amare, Lebron, Nash, Kobe, Wade, or Howard aren't coming to Memphis. Since you're such a great GM build us a team.

[jailer]

I wouldnt mind getting earl clark. Just not sure if he is a pf or a sf type. We definitely need a small forward to back up rudy. The draft lottery is next month. I will definitely be counting the days til its here. Knowing the grizz's spot in the draft order will be a good way to guage what the grizzles will do this off season.

[Kebab Stall]

I wouldnt mind getting earl clark. Just not sure if he is a pf or a sf type. We definitely need a small forward to back up rudy. The draft lottery is next month. I will definitely be counting the days til its here. Knowing the grizz's spot in the draft order will be a good way to guage what the grizzles will do this off season.
<-----Check the avy

Earl Clark is a fantastic player. Since Monroe is out of the draft this year, Clark is my number one choice, unless we get the number 1 pick, but that's not going to happen.

Clark is a SF, that could potentially play the PF in a couple of years, if he gained some muscle. Though in Memphis, he might get some burn at the PF straight away. He'd most likely backup Rudy and then play some 3rd string PF, behind Arthur and Hak (hopefully we get a solid starting PF through free agency or trades).

He's incredibly long. He looks like a legit 6'9, with very long arms. He can do a bit of everything. He can score (from pretty much anywhere), he can rebound and he can pass, plus all the other intangibles.

He's improved his stroke from long distance, he just needs to improve his shot selection a little bit, i.e. no forced shots. He doesn't have a go to scoring mentality. Although, he did show that he can just turn it on against Mississippi, earlier in the season, in which Clark had 10 of Louisville's first 12 points. He also had 17 points in the game's first 8 minutes. He definitly showed in that game, that he could basically do what he wanted, if he set his mind right. He shows a number of ways to score.

Highlights of that game here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCBTIzg2i2o

In the pros, I can see him being a solid bench player for years to come. I can see him averaging some thing along the lines of 8/6 in his first year. He's definitly got the tools to be a solid player in this league. I just hope he doesn't become lazy in the pros.

[Maniak]

How about you explain why say that? Maybe you can convince because last time I checked. Amare, Lebron, Nash, Kobe, Wade, or Howard aren't coming to Memphis. Since you're such a great GM build us a team.

Well its impossible for us to get Curry and Thabeet, and thats just wasting away the talent of them on the bench.

Oh, and still having Gay and Mayo will take us nowhere. 1 of them will need to go.

[jailer]

<-----Check the avy

Earl Clark is a fantastic player. Since Monroe is out of the draft this year, Clark is my number one choice, unless we get the number 1 pick, but that's not going to happen.

Clark is a SF, that could potentially play the PF in a couple of years, if he gained some muscle. Though in Memphis, he might get some burn at the PF straight away. He'd most likely backup Rudy and then play some 3rd string PF, behind Arthur and Hak (hopefully we get a solid starting PF through free agency or trades).

He's incredibly long. He looks like a legit 6'9, with very long arms. He can do a bit of everything. He can score (from pretty much anywhere), he can rebound and he can pass, plus all the other intangibles.

He's improved his stroke from long distance, he just needs to improve his shot selection a little bit, i.e. no forced shots. He doesn't have a go to scoring mentality. Although, he did show that he can just turn it on against Mississippi, earlier in the season, in which Clark had 10 of Louisville's first 12 points. He also had 17 points in the game's first 8 minutes. He definitly showed in that game, that he could basically do what he wanted, if he set his mind right. He shows a number of ways to score.

Highlights of that game here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCBTIzg2i2o

In the pros, I can see him being a solid bench player for years to come. I can see him averaging some thing along the lines of 8/6 in his first year. He's definitly got the tools to be a solid player in this league. I just hope he doesn't become lazy in the pros.


Yeah I really like his game. He is being compared to guys like danny granger or boris diaw. Which I dont really think he ball handels as good as those guys. I look at him as more of a marvin williams type. I would be cool with him getting picked. It just all depends on the grizzlies pick in the draft.

[Mississippi]

I'm still convinced Rudy Gay can be a 4. He has some post game but it still needs work. I'd rather see him posting up guys using his quickness and athleticism than jacking up long jumpshots from the perimeter.

[Interminator]

Well its impossible for us to get Curry and Thabeet, and thats just wasting away the talent of them on the bench.

Oh, and still having Gay and Mayo will take us nowhere. 1 of them will need to go.
When the **** did you become a Grizzlies fan?
:roll: :roll:

[Maniak]

When the **** did you become a Grizzlies fan?
:roll: :roll:
When Mayo joined.

Duh

[Interminator]

When Mayo joined.

Duh
OJ Mayo or lilojmayo?

Please clarify me.

[Maniak]

OJ Mayo.

I kinda like this teams future and am following them abit more now.

[Interminator]

OJ Mayo.

I kinda like this teams future and am following them abit more now.
I want to follow you into your home & OJ you.

[Maniak]

I want to follow you into your home & OJ you.
You would.

[Interminator]

You would.
Please Disperse.

[Kebab Stall]

Bullsh!t!

The Grizz get bent over and f*cked hard once again.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/58616/20090417/ties_broken_for_2009_nba_draft_order/

The worst we can do is 9, apparently. Which makes no f*cking difference to me. We're not getting a decent pick and that's enough for me, not to mention something non of us weren't expecting.

It looks like we could actually pick up Earl Clark with this pick. I'd be happy if that happened.

[Mississippi]

Earl Clark is not the answer. He reminds me more of Tyrus Thomas. Not a bad player to have but I think better players would be on the board with that pick.

[marqui78]

Earl Clark is not the answer. He reminds me more of Tyrus Thomas. Not a bad player to have but I think better players would be on the board with that pick.

I think Clark's more like Boris Diaw. You a guy that can do alot of things.

[Kebab Stall]

Earl Clark is not the answer. He reminds me more of Tyrus Thomas. Not a bad player to have but I think better players would be on the board with that pick.
Outside of Griffin, the talent this year lies mainly within the guards, which isn't saying much. There are very few fowards/centers with talent. Clark is one of the few forwards with potential. The only other answer is a trade to bring in a PF.

We can easily pick up a backup PG with either of our late draft picks or as an extra piece in a trade.

If we waste our first pick on a guard, I will be pissed, unless he is traded in a possible deal with Warrick or Arthur, that will land us a solid PF.

If we land anywhere from 6-9, Clark will be an excellent pickup. Griffin, Rubio, Thabeet, Hill, Harden and possibly Jennings, will all be gone by our pick. After that, you're looking at a field of PGs and SGs, all of which we have no need for.

[Mississippi]

Outside of Griffin, the talent this year lies mainly within the guards, which isn't saying much. There are very few fowards/centers with talent. Clark is one of the few forwards with potential. The only other answer is a trade to bring in a PF.

We can easily pick up a backup PG with either of our late draft picks or as an extra piece in a trade.

If we waste our first pick on a guard, I will be pissed, unless he is traded in a possible deal with Warrick or Arthur, that will land us a solid PF.

If we land anywhere from 6-9, Clark will be an excellent pickup. Griffin, Rubio, Thabeet, Hill, Harden and possibly Jennings, will all be gone by our pick. After that, you're looking at a field of PGs and SGs, all of which we have no need for.
No need for? Go check out our bench. We need a backup point guard, shooting guard and small foward. Adding any of those along could make us a better team.

[Kebab Stall]

No need for? Go check out our bench. We need a backup point guard, shooting guard and small foward. Adding any of those along could make us a better team.
We can easily pick up a half decent PG or SG, using either of our later draft picks or through trades. We don't need to pick one up with our early draft pick, where we can potentially get someone much more useful and talented.

[franchise#3]

Tyler Hansbrough would help memphis at PF.

[brandonislegend]

Tyler Hansbrough would help memphis at PF.

please no.

[brandonislegend]

I personally think Mayo, Conley, Gay is a great trio for the future, see the last 10 games when they started clicking...

[Maniak]

I personally think Mayo, Conley, Gay is a great trio for the future, see the last 10 games when they started clicking...
Meh, thats 10 games, and a lot of times players do well in the past couple games then never carry it over.

[brandonislegend]

Meh, thats 10 games, and a lot of times players do well in the past couple games then never carry it over.

its called a new coach, getting team chemistry

[Maniak]

its called a new coach, getting team chemistry

whatever makes you sleep at night.

[brandonislegend]

whatever makes you sleep at night.

arent you a suns fan or something? i bet you have watched 1 FULL grizzlies game this whole year

[Mississippi]

We can easily pick up a half decent PG or SG, using either of our later draft picks or through trades. We don't need to pick one up with our early draft pick, where we can potentially get someone much more useful and talented.
What does Earl Clark do that Hak doesn't?

[Kebab Stall]

What does Earl Clark do that Hak doesn't?
Well, it's hard to compare. Hak has got 4 years of NBA basketball under his belt, whilst Clark has only got 3 years of college ball.

Anyway, Clark is a better passer and a better rebounder than Warrick currently is. Clark's game extends beyond the three point arc. Clark is the better ball handler. Neither have much of a post up game, but Clark has the better body and is stronger. He could possibly add some decent post moves, that he can use to take advantage of smaller players.

Overall, I'd rather have Clark than Warrick.

[jailer]

What does Earl Clark do that Hak doesn't?

Warrik didnt have a jumper coming out of college. It has taken him four years in the pros to develop a shot that is now accrate up to 15'. Clark already has an outside game. Warrik has developed into an ok sixth man. But I dont think he can get much better than he is now. I wouldnt resign hakim unless we couldnt get another free agent big man here.

[Mississippi]

Yeah I really like his game. He is being compared to guys like danny granger or boris diaw. Which I dont really think he ball handels as good as those guys. I look at him as more of a marvin williams type. I would be cool with him getting picked. It just all depends on the grizzlies pick in the draft.
NBADRAFT.NET compared him to Granger and Diaw. That site is the worst at comparing players. He plays nothing like either. He plays more like Tyrus Thomas. I would really love for us to get BJ Mullens. Mullens already has an NBA ready body and is pretty explosive. He has the potential to be something great.

[Mississippi]

They are slotted sixth in the draft, and also own Orlando's 27th pick in the first round and will have the 35th selection in the second round. But the Griz could also have $15 million to $20 million to spend in free agency, giving the franchise the most flexibility it's enjoyed since joining the league in 1995. In short, Memphis has more resources than ever to get better. Just add good judgment and stir. "We have a number of directions we can go in this offseason," Wallace said. Memphis Commercial Appeal

Wallace said the Griz would ideally return to training camp in the fall with "a competitive hothouse where the best man wins (every position)." He hasn't put an untouchable label on any player. "But obviously we've got some players that it will take some stronger deals to move than others," Wallace said, adding that he's more focused on improving the team's weak bench. "We've got to get more perimeter shooting," he said. "We've got to get better defensively. We've got to get more physicality and toughness and a few more veterans." Memphis Commercial Appeal
Hopefully he spends some money this off-season.

[Interminator]

Hopefully he spends some money this off-season.
On who?:confusedshrug:

Watch him make a huge free agent splash by signing Jamal Crawford to a 5/$50 Million dollar deal.:hammerhead:

[Interminator]

NBADRAFT.NET compared him to Granger and Diaw. That site is the worst at comparing players. He plays nothing like either. He plays more like Tyrus Thomas. I would really love for us to get BJ Mullens. Mullens already has an NBA ready body and is pretty explosive. He has the potential to be something great.
So does Marc.:applause:

[BigSims2108]

I'm going to get this thread going again! Who should we take with our other two picks? Or should we trade our picks?:confusedshrug:

[jailer]

I was just about to start posting again about our second first round pick.

I was thinking either Nick Clalathes. Here are some highlights.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73Z0U6RxR3E&feature=PlayList&p=F916CE7D0BB19C04&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=24

Or Wayne Ellington if he is available. more highlights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvFzGlVkLqc&feature=PlayList&p=F916CE7D0BB19C04&index=22

Calathes is not explosive and dosent really do alot of electric plays. But he has alot of court savvy and a very high basketball iq. Not to mention he has a great jump shot.

Ellington has only got average size for his position. He is a little athletic but not very explosive. He does bring good exp and a good jum shot.

I would take either guy if they fall to the griz.

[BigSims2108]

I was just about to start posting again about our second first round pick.

I was thinking either Nick Clalathes. Here are some highlights.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73Z0U6RxR3E&feature=PlayList&p=F916CE7D0BB19C04&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=24

Or Wayne Ellington if he is available. more highlights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvFzGlVkLqc&feature=PlayList&p=F916CE7D0BB19C04&index=22

Calathes is not explosive and dosent really do alot of electric plays. But he has alot of court savvy and a very high basketball iq. Not to mention he has a great jump shot.

Ellington has only got average size for his position. He is a little athletic but not very explosive. He does bring good exp and a good jum shot.

I would take either guy if they fall to the griz.

Didn't Calathes leave for Greece? And I would like Ellington as well.

[jailer]

Didn't Calathes leave for Greece? And I would like Ellington as well.

He did but he changed his mind. He is now lobbying to be picked in the first round that way he can buy out his contract. The team in greec is bringng a really good vet to play pg. And calathes dosent want to be on the bench.

[BigSims2108]

He did but he changed his mind. He is now lobbying to be picked in the first round that way he can buy out his contract. The team in greec is bringng a really good vet to play pg. And calathes dosent want to be on the bench.

IC. I never heard about that.

[jailer]

IC. I never heard about that.
He decided this like on sunday I heard.

[jailer]

Ok guys I have news on the grizzly front.

Apparently the griz are trying extremely hard to find a partner to trade the number two pick. They are listening o all teams and offers trying to find the best possible deal for the griz. But if they cnat find a favorable enough deal for the pick. Then the griz are going to take thabeet with the pick and thats our guy.

This makes me happy at the fact that the griz are doing the smart thing by trying to trade the pick. And at the absolute last option is to take thabeet. Which is not as bad as it sounds. If thabeet is as good as hyped then he would be a great player to have, escpecially in this new age of the nba where center are very rare.

[Kebab Stall]

I would've taken Harden instead of Thabeet. He's the better player, makes our bench deeper and is nicer trade bait, if we want to trade him.

However, I just hope we find a deal quickly for that 2nd pick. It's not exactly filling me with joy, when the draft is just over a week away and we still have set offers yet, just rumours.

[BigSims2108]

I just don't know about Thabeet, If we wanted him, we should trade for the #4 pick anyway because I think the Thunder want Harden. Besides, Thabeet is NOT the second best player in the draft, but he does have value. The griz have a chance here to get some veteran players or a good prospect that we could use as the 6th man.

[jailer]

I would've taken Harden instead of Thabeet. He's the better player, makes our bench deeper and is nicer trade bait, if we want to trade him.

However, I just hope we find a deal quickly for that 2nd pick. It's not exactly filling me with joy, when the draft is just over a week away and we still have set offers yet, just rumours.

Im sure the gri have a few deals worked out. Just like the year that we traded for rudy gay.

Thabeet is not a bad player. He is a center, which our a rare breed. He enjoys playing defense and rebounding. He understands his job on the court. Not to mention he has a lot of potential. He is not a bad fall back plan.In drafting him it also allows you room to trade darko for more assets.

All im saying is its not the end of the world if we get the guy.

[BigSims2108]

Im sure the gri have a few deals worked out. Just like the year that we traded for rudy gay.

Thabeet is not a bad player. He is a center, which our a rare breed. He enjoys playing defense and rebounding. He understands his job on the court. Not to mention he has a lot of potential. He is not a bad fall back plan.In drafting him it also allows you room to trade darko for more assets.

All im saying is its not the end of the world if we get the guy.

Jaily, you bring up a good point. I honestly don't have a problem with Thabeet. I just don't want Marc at the 4.

[Kebab Stall]

I honestly wouldn't mind Thabeet, but I'd like for all possibilities to be explored first. I think getting Thabeet should be a backup plan.

[jailer]

I honestly wouldn't mind Thabeet, but I'd like for all possibilities to be explored first. I think getting Thabeet should be a backup plan.


I agree with that.

[jailer]

Guys dont forget this is just the draft. We still have a whole off season to get the pf we need and other role players. This just the beginning of a long summer.

[Kebab Stall]

Yup, the draft is basically the start of it all and could possibly affect which direction the team is taken.

[jailer]

I read an article that worked out all the numbers. And drafting has only helped teams win like ten percent more. They said that the key to winning is trades and free agency.

And not to mention. They also said that after pick five every other player is a crap shoot. Meaning that pick six and pick and pick 30 have the exact same chance at providing an allstar.

[Kebab Stall]

I was just reading the latest article on Commercial Appeal (link at the bottom), that basically said, Heisley and Hollins aren't as high on Thabeet as everyone thinks. Sure, they wouldn't mind him, but they certainly haven't settled on him. Which is an excellent thing to hear. They, like most of us, want all the possibilities to be explored.

Also in the Article, it talks about Evans solo workout with the Grizz.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2009/jun/18/more-questions-than-answers/

[BigSims2108]

I was just reading the latest article on Commercial Appeal (link at the bottom), that basically said, Heisley and Hollins aren't as high on Thabeet as everyone thinks. Sure, they wouldn't mind him, but they certainly haven't settled on him. Which is an excellent thing to hear. They, like most of us, want all the possibilities to be explored.

Also in the Article, it talks about Evans solo workout with the Grizz.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2009/jun/18/more-questions-than-answers/

Now THIS is what I wanted to hear. I knew that Chad Fraud and ESPN couldn't know what the griz were doing. Ron Tillery and Geoff Calkins don't even know and they are the closest reporters to the team. So let them tell us what's going on.

[jailer]

Yeah I cant wait to hear how the other workouts go this weekend.

[BigSims2108]

Does anybody think we should try to get Anthony Randolph and take a chance on him?:confusedshrug:

[jailer]

Does anybody think we should try to get Anthony Randolph and take a chance on him?:confusedshrug:

I assume you are insinuating that we trade our second pick for the warriors seventh and anthony randolph? If that is the case then I would seriously think about it.

[BigSims2108]

I assume you are insinuating that we trade our second pick for the warriors seventh and anthony randolph? If that is the case then I would seriously think about it.

Kind of. (Maybe add in Darko). This was a question mainly for thoughts on Randolph.

[jailer]

Kind of. (Maybe add in Darko). This was a question mainly for thoughts on Randolph.
I really liked randolph last year. He would be a good prospect to have.

[BigSims2108]

I really liked randolph last year. He would be a good prospect to have.

I doubt GS would part with him, but it's worth a try.

[Interminator]

I doubt GS would part with him, but it's worth a try.
They'd probably laugh and hang the phone up.

Randolph's value around the league is extremely high espescially after his performances late in the season, hes likely the Cornerstone of any deal Golden State makes to acquire a star like VC, Bosh, or Amare.

[BigSims2108]

They'd probably laugh and hang the phone up.

Randolph's value around the league is extremely high espescially after his performances late in the season, hes likely the Cornerstone of any deal Golden State makes to acquire a star like VC, Bosh, or Amare.

Ooh. Point taken. He does remind me of Bosh. Seems obvious to me that we should try our luck at free agency.

[jailer]

They'd probably laugh and hang the phone up.

Randolph's value around the league is extremely high espescially after his performances late in the season, hes likely the Cornerstone of any deal Golden State makes to acquire a star like VC, Bosh, or Amare.

Eh I dont know. I was on the golden state forum. And Alot of the guys on there give me the impression that the warriors brass would trade him or brandan wright for a better plyer or for some prospects.

[BigSims2108]

Eh I dont know. I was on the golden state forum. And Alot of the guys on there give me the impression that the warriors brass would trade him or brandan wright for a better plyer or for some prospects.

Hmm... With Wright, I can see why they want him gone. As for Randolph, GS fans just need to be patient. I mean, I always thought that GS had great fans, but they need to be patient just like us. They also need to make Ellis happy as well. I hear that Ellis is or was in Memphis recently since he's from just outside of Memphis, and GS representatives need to do what they can to make him happy.

[gasolina]

I'm kinda happy 1/2 of this didn't happen
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[BigSims2108]

I'm kinda happy 1/2 of this didn't happen
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Is one of those guys Okafor?

[Kebab Stall]

For some reason, the idiots in the main forum seem to think a deal of Rudy and the 2nd for Harris and the 11th pick is what the deal should look like. Hahaha, OK.

If anything it should look like this, Harris and the 11th for Conley and the 2nd. That, to me is a better deal.

However, we don't need Harris, I don't want Harris. I'm more than happy with Conley and we can a much better deal for the 2nd pick.

[Interminator]

Is one of those guys Okafor?
Its probably Monta, I can not even imagine how pathetic our ball movement would be with Monta & OJ in the backcourt with Rudy on the wing.

An undersized SG who can't shoot from 3, and thrives off of Golden State's uptempo offense by outrunning defenders, and then complains when anything else of him is asked or questioned.

[BigSims2108]

Let's take vote, anybody who is willing to give up Rudy to get a good PF or Griffin, say aye.

[Interminator]

Let's take vote, anybody who is willing to give up Rudy to get a good PF or Griffin, say aye.
If its strictly Rudy for #1, [Juiceman]Ay Ay Ay Ok OK[/Juiceman}

[BigSims2108]

If its strictly Rudy for #1, [Juiceman]Ay Ay Ay Ok OK[/Juiceman}

What if it was Rudy, Darko, and the #2 for the #1?

[Interminator]

What if it was Rudy, Darko, and the #2 for the #1?
No.

Griffin may be good, but nobody is sure the level of how good he'll be.

Griffin will be a 15/10/1.5 type of guy in the NBA but nobody knows how much better he'll be from there.

Rudy, Darko, #2 for Amare(Contract Extension), #14

Rudy, Darko, #2 for Bosh(Contract Extension), , #9

Those would be much better deals than for Griffin.

[BigSims2108]

No.

Griffin may be good, but nobody is sure the level of how good he'll be.

Griffin will be a 15/10/1.5 type of guy in the NBA but nobody knows how much better he'll be from there.

Rudy, Darko, #2 for Amare(Contract Extension), #14

Rudy, Darko, #2 for Bosh(Contract Extension), , #9

Those would be much better deals than for Griffin.

You're right. That was a stupid idea. :hammerhead: Though I think we all know neither of those other trade are going to happen. At least the extension part.

[Interminator]

You're right. That was a stupid idea. :hammerhead: Though I think we all know neither of those other trade are going to happen. At least the extension part.
Yup.

Which makes this whole Draft thing pretty depressing for me.

We need a big man, but the big man who fit the best will be gone at #1, and now all signs are pointing towards us drafting Thabeet or Rubio/Trading down.

[BigSims2108]

Yup.

Which makes this whole Draft thing pretty depressing for me.

We need a big man, but the big man who fit the best will be gone at #1, and now all signs are pointing towards us drafting Thabeet or Rubio/Trading down.

Like I said before, there's no way we can get the #1 without giving up what little we got.

[Interminator]

Like I said before, there's no way we can get the #1 without giving up what little we got.
Im just plucking Lakers homers feathers in the Main forum.

Created a similar scenario of Rudy + #2 Pick for Gasol.

[BigSims2108]

Im just plucking Lakers homers feathers in the Main forum.

Created a similar scenario of Rudy + #2 Pick for Gasol.

Riiiiiiiight. I'm not seeing it.:oldlol: :oldlol:

[jailer]

For some reason, the idiots in the main forum seem to think a deal of Rudy and the 2nd for Harris and the 11th pick is what the deal should look like. Hahaha, OK.

If anything it should look like this, Harris and the 11th for Conley and the 2nd. That, to me is a better deal.

However, we don't need Harris, I don't want Harris. I'm more than happy with Conley and we can a much better deal for the 2nd pick.
Harris is an allstar though.

[BigSims2108]

http://www.memphisflyer.com/BeyondtheArc/archives/2009/06/20/draft-notes-harden-workout-thabeet-pull-out-heisley-talks

You guys won't believe this...:oldlol:

[jailer]

http://www.memphisflyer.com/BeyondtheArc/archives/2009/06/20/draft-notes-harden-workout-thabeet-pull-out-heisley-talks

You guys won't believe this...:oldlol:

Bad shooting days happen:confusedshrug:

[Interminator]

Bad shooting days happen:confusedshrug:
Yeah Im sure he started missing a few shots and then eventually got cold.

He was hot during the Kings' workout on Youtube so I am not sure how negatively this will affect him since we know he can do much better in workouts.

[BigSims2108]

So if we draft Rudy, does this mean we want to trade Rudy? Because we need SOME veteran players on this team. Mainly for Rudy if we want to keep him. He's going to be a great player and all, but he needs to learn how to SHARE the ball. So what's it going to be guys? Harden or Rudy?

[jailer]

Yeah Im sure he started missing a few shots and then eventually got cold.

He was hot during the Kings' workout on Youtube so I am not sure how negatively this will affect him since we know he can do much better in workouts.
I listened to the podcast. The two reporters talked about it( calkins the idiot himself being one of them) and they basically said he was cold but he did well in other drills. Clakins dosent think we should take evans or harden over rubio. I agree with that somewhat. The problem is that rubio will cause such a spectacle if he is drafted here, we will have to trade him later anyways.

[Interminator]

I listened to the podcast. The two reporters talked about it( calkins the idiot himself being one of them) and they basically said he was cold but he did well in other drills. Clakins dosent think we should take evans or harden over rubio. I agree with that somewhat. The problem is that rubio will cause such a spectacle if he is drafted here, we will have to trade him later anyways.
The point that Wallace needs to realize is that we have to make it clear we are going to Draft Rubio, Hill, or Curry and trade his rights to atleast get some type of bidding going on for the pick.

We can have a trade in place by the time he sits back down to his seat.

[BigSims2108]

The point that Wallace needs to realize is that we have to make it clear we are going to Draft Rubio, Hill, or Curry and trade his rights to atleast get some type of bidding going on for the pick.

We can have a trade in place by the time he sits back down to his seat.

IF we want Hill or Curry, I think it's obvious we trade to the #2 pick down along with Darko to the #4 and another player like Greene or Thompson.

[Interminator]

IF we want Hill or Curry, I think it's obvious we trade to the #2 pick down along with Darko to the #4 and another player like Greene or Thompson.
Greene?

We cant acquire Donte Greene until much after the Draft because we Drafted him in 2008.

And honestly I am not interested in having Greene at all, tremendously flawed player on both ends of the court for the talent he has.

Sacramento unfortunately wont part with Thompson and #4, According to the Sacramento Bee they are settling on Holiday, Flynn, or Curry at #4 if Rubio is not available.

[BigSims2108]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gagpTFv4UpM

[BigSims2108]

Greene?

We cant acquire Donte Greene until much after the Draft because we Drafted him in 2008.

And honestly I am not interested in having Greene at all, tremendously flawed player on both ends of the court for the talent he has.

Sacramento unfortunately wont part with Thompson and #4, According to the Sacramento Bee they are settling on Holiday, Flynn, or Curry at #4 if Rubio is not available.

Hmm... I see. Now what?

[Kebab Stall]

http://www.memphisflyer.com/BeyondtheArc/archives/2009/06/20/draft-notes-harden-workout-thabeet-pull-out-heisley-talks

You guys won't believe this...:oldlol:
Thabeet is out? Typical.

So only Hill and DeRozan are in today?

[Kebab Stall]

Well, there isn't much info out yet, but here's the best I could find,

http://twitter.com/petepranica

Hopefully we get some videos, photos and an article on these workouts.


Also, an update on why Thabeet couldn't make the workout,

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5j4HOLrqi5vLPXou5DiASWfuUYH2QD98V5HT00

[jailer]

Guys what I have heard which is probably a fake rumor. But the t'wolves are trying hardto get our pick.But the griz want two picks in the top six for it or something that good. So the t'wolves are trying to get the wizards pick at five by trading expiring contracts and what not.

If this happens I wouldnt be mad at it. We could get better quicker with picks six and five.

[gasolina]

We could get better quicker with picks six and five.

The #2 pick for #5 and #6?

Griffin, Rubio, Thabeet, Harden....

which leaves us with Hill and Evans.... As great as it looks, we might be getting 2 backups instead of a solid starter.

I'd rather get another pick and a legit starter at PF.

[jailer]

The #2 pick for #5 and #6?

Griffin, Rubio, Thabeet, Harden....

which leaves us with Hill and Evans.... As great as it looks, we might be getting 2 backups instead of a solid starter.

I'd rather get another pick and a legit starter at PF.

Are biggest weakness is our bench. It is extremely weak. This would be a cheap and effective way to bolster our bench. Not to mention we still have over 20million dollars to spend in free agency. We could still get a big man. there.

[Kebab Stall]

It's not bad, the number 2 for 5 and 6. Although, if we draft Rubio we could get something better, but if nothing better comes along, then that's not a bad deal.

Two solid pieces straight away. Hill would be a good pick, then there's Evans, DeRozan, Curry, which ever. Though I think Evans might be the better pick, however, Evans is more of a high risk, high reward kind of player.

[Interminator]

Speaking of Rubio, do we have a second player openly telling the Grizzlies that they aren’t interested in playing in Memphis? From what we can gather, it doesn’t seem like Thabeet’s camp is all that enamored with the direction Memphis is heading in, and there seems to be strong indications that he feels very good about his chances of being drafted by Oklahoma City, with one NBA source going as far as to say that the chances of him being picked there if available are “100%.”


????

So nobody really wants to come to Memphis, but how is OKC more attractive to both Rubio & Thabeet?

[Kebab Stall]

We should just pick Rubio and trade him to which ever team gives up the best deal for him.

[Interminator]

We should just pick Rubio and trade him to which ever team gives up the best deal for him.
Exactly.

It seems like both guys we are targeting hope they arent picked by Memphis and instead go to OKC.

We really got screwed in this draft, I like the value of pick we can get but neither really wants to come to Memphis.

If we were at #7 or #8 we'd be in the perfect situation.

[Kebab Stall]

Exactly.

It seems like both guys we are targeting hope they arent picked by Memphis and instead go to OKC.

We really got screwed in this draft, I like the value of pick we can get but neither really wants to come to Memphis.

If we were at #7 or #8 we'd be in the perfect situation.
Yup, I've said this before. We usually don't get much luck in these drafts, when it comes to the lottery. The year we do get some luck, we're rewarded with a poor draft class and players who don't even want to play here. Either way, we get f*cked.

If we got the 2nd pick last year or the year before or next year, I'd be happy, not so much this year.

If we're in the top 10 next year, which I think we will be, then we should be able to get a solid player then, considering it should be a solid draft class next year.

[jailer]

????

So nobody really wants to come to Memphis, but how is OKC more attractive to both Rubio & Thabeet?
I just read that thabeet is coming in this week to meet with the griz. If anyone dosent know, this will be thabeets THIRD time meeting witht the griz. He wants to play here. dont listen to chad ford.

[jailer]

Exactly.

It seems like both guys we are targeting hope they arent picked by Memphis and instead go to OKC.

We really got screwed in this draft, I like the value of pick we can get but neither really wants to come to Memphis.

If we were at #7 or #8 we'd be in the perfect situation.
What are you talking about?! I think your losing your steam buddy. Were in a great situation. No matter what the griz are gonna get a great player this thursday. By either trade or through a pick. No matter what the griz will be a much better team after thursday.

[jailer]

Yup, I've said this before. We usually don't get much luck in these drafts, when it comes to the lottery. The year we do get some luck, we're rewarded with a poor draft class and players who don't even want to play here. Either way, we get f*cked.

If we got the 2nd pick last year or the year before or next year, I'd be happy, not so much this year.

If we're in the top 10 next year, which I think we will be, then we should be able to get a solid player then, considering it should be a solid draft class next year.

Guys stop freaking out. You sound like you have given up before the draft has even started. Thursday is vey close. The grizz are gonna pull some moves were gonna get some players here.

[Kebab Stall]

Guys stop freaking out. You sound like you have given up before the draft has even started. Thursday is vey close. The grizz are gonna pull some moves were gonna get some players here.
I just can't help but worry. No matter what happens a lot of people are going to be unhappy with how our drafting goes.

[Maniak]

I just can't help but worry. No matter what happens a lot of people are going to be unhappy with how our drafting goes.
Its funny, because I was just talking to another guy on a different board about how this draft could be very interesting for the Grizzlies, and possibly very sad.

I really hope the Grizzlies organization can pull off some great moves and we can get a great player with our young core.

And I do hope they trade Rudy Gay, but I know brandonislegend is a fan, so I wont hate on Gay :D

[BigSims2108]

Ok guys. This is getting serious. Now Mr. Thabust is saying he doesn't want to come here. Who do these players think they are?! I mean, I hear that Rubio and Thabeet were both talking to OKC. And they JUST got to Oklahoma City. Apparently, Chad Fraud has been spreading more nonsense on ESPN.com.

:mad:

[Interminator]

Guys stop freaking out. You sound like you have given up before the draft has even started. Thursday is vey close. The grizz are gonna pull some moves were gonna get some players here.
You must not have been through this as many years as me & Kebab have.

I remember yelling at the TV when we drafted Stromile Swift at #2 over Darius Miles, to this day that still disturbs me.

We drafted a PF when we already had 2 who were starting for us, I remember back when where we had at some times 4 big men on the court because we lacked guards and they wouldnt let Felipe play although it made sense that he played.

I remember in 01' when we traded SAR for Pau Gasol who at the time I had not much a clue about, that really really ****ed me up for awhile because SAR was all I knew of in terms of a star player for the Grizzlies.

I remember the anger of us passing on Wagner, at the time actually probably to this day Wagner is one of my All Time favorite basketball players and was clearly a more pressing need in the backcourt than adding another PF.

I fell asleep during the 2003 NBA Draft so I cant remember how I actually felt.:oldlol:

The Draft is NEVER a good thing for long time Grizzlies fans, we've done perfect the last 3 drafts grabbing Gay, Conley, and Mayo but I still remember the old days.

[Interminator]

Ok guys. This is getting serious. Now Mr. Thabust is saying he doesn't want to come here. Who do these players think they are?! I mean, I hear that Rubio and Thabeet were both talking to OKC. And they JUST got to Oklahoma City. Apparently, Chad Fraud has been spreading more nonsense on ESPN.com.

:mad:
Yeah both are talking to OKC according to Ford, OKC traveled out to LA to meet with Rubio.

Rubio also is warming up to the idea of playing in Minnesota, I know its not right to judge but how the **** is Minneapolis a better market than Memphis?

What did we do to Rubio to make him single us out out of every other team as claiming hed never play for us?

[Interminator]

I remember hearing the news we had traded Bibby for Jason Williams.

No knock against Williams, but years ago I believed the hype like everyone else that Bibby was the Next Great NBA PG.

The same hype you see a guy like Rose getting now, was the same hype Bibby received back then.

[BigSims2108]

Yeah both are talking to OKC according to Ford, OKC traveled out to LA to meet with Rubio.

Rubio also is warming up to the idea of playing in Minnesota, I know its not right to judge but how the **** is Minneapolis a better market than Memphis?

What did we do to Rubio to make him single us out out of every other team as claiming hed never play for us?

I think the better question is, what have we done to Ford to report all this nonsense about the griz?

[Kebab Stall]

I think the better question is, what have we done to Ford to report all this nonsense about the griz?
I didn't really pay much attention to Ford before this draft (I mainly stay away from ESPN altogether), but after reading just a few of his articles, it's clear as day that he straight up hates this team.

The guy is lying and making up sh!t as he goes along just to get people to read. I even read something earlier where he said that Thabeet was making up the injury just so he didn't have to workout for Memphis, because even he doesn't want to play here.

[Interminator]

I think the better question is, what have we done to Ford to report all this nonsense about the griz?
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That is why he and 28 other teams dislike Memphis.

[gasolina]

I'm really excited for Thursday. If we play our cards well and draft Rubio and trade him to a team for good pieces then we just laugh at all these ****in primadonnas.

This gets me thinking, why doesn't the NBA fine these agents and players who act these way. Once you've applied for the draft, I think you'd have to comply with certain rules. And those rules include working out for teams.

[Interminator]

This gets me thinking, why doesn't the NBA fine these agents and players who act these way. Once you've applied for the draft, I think you'd have to comply with certain rules. And those rules include working out for teams.
Thats because the NBA is a big show.

There are about 10,000 reasons why players want to go certain places and sometimes its not even their choice but its under the direction of the agents they pay to organize their finances and life along with the shoe companies who provide equally big checks to the player as a NBA team.

People realizes who held the most power in the NBA considering LeBron so far in his career has made more money from Nike than from Cleveland.

[BigSims2108]

I saw this on the Grizzlies Forum.

Why would Sac be willing to give up Kevin Martin and not Jason Thompson? I think by Thursday they will be willing to jump okc to get to Rubio at #2 and give up Thompson to get it done.

:oldlol: :roll:

Someone lied to THIS person if they actually heard that Kevin Martin was available. :oldlol:

[jailer]

Comeon guys just three more days. Just think happy thoughts:D

[Interminator]

Comeon guys just three more days. Just think happy thoughts:D
I cant.

I have the worst feeling we're going to take Thabeet at #2.:wtf:

[BigSims2108]

Comeon guys just three more days. Just think happy thoughts:D

I'm tryin Jaily. I wonder what O.J., Rudy, and the rest of the team is thinking right now:confusedshrug:

[Kebab Stall]

I don't know about the rest of the team, but apparently this is what Rudy is doing...

http://mypict.me/show.php?id=52KL

:oldlol:

[Interminator]

The word on Monday night is that it looks like Hasheem Thabeet will be the Grizzlies' pick at No. 2 if they don't trade the pick.

With Thabeet gone, Thunder GM Sam Presti will decide between Rubio, James Harden and Stephen Curry.

If they take Rubio, then the Kings will likely draft either Tyreke Evans or Jonny Flynn.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2009/insider/news/story?page=09DraftBuzz2&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba %2fdraft2009%2finsider%2fnews%2fstory%3fpage%3d09D raftBuzz2


Everything has been pointing to Thabeet so I am guessing he will be the pick on Thursday, This is one of the dumbest selections in Memphis Grizzlies history.

We already have an improving rookie C who came to the NBA last season and averaged 12/7.5 after translating his game from Europe where he won EuroLeague MVP, chances are he could improve and top out at 15/9 type of player.

However we draft an obvious C in Thabeet and are going to play him at Power Forward?

If you ever wondered why the Memphis Grizzlies have no fans, well this is why.

[Kebab Stall]

I was reading the grizzliesonline forums and there were a couple of guys saying that if Thabeet is the player we take, then they'll be canceling their season tickets.

:oldlol:

Thabeet is a terrible pick. Drafting Rubio and then shipping him off to the highest bidder is easily the best thing we could do.

However, look who it was who done the article, non other than Chad Ford. That d-bag seems to think that he has some magically, anonymous tip that is giving him info on the Grizzlies situation. Bottom line is, he doesn't have a clue.

[Interminator]

All signs point it will be Thabeet unfortunately, if it were Rubio, we'd be looking at offers supposedly being offered and it would be clear he was the eventual pick at #2 and would be shipped off elsewhere.

We screwed up big time by not doing what common sense suggests we should do with #2.

[Maniak]

"This just in, Grizzlies trade the #2 pick and Rudy Gay for the #1 pick and an unnamed player(cough cough Chris Kaman)"

The Clippers are dumb...IT COULD HAPPEN!!!!!

[Kebab Stall]

http://twitter.com/memgrizz


Said he had several calls about the No.2 even in this workout...mt
44 minutes ago from txt

Wallace says the water is still a little muddy in terms of what is going to happen with the No. 2 pick...mt
about 1 hour ago from txt
Interesting stuff. Atleast we know that we're still entertaining offers.

[jailer]

I would just like to inform everyone that chris wallace is gonna be on jim rome is burning on espn2 at like 3:30

[BigSims2108]

I would just like to inform everyone that chris wallace is gonna be on jim rome is burning on espn2 at like 3:30

WHAT?!:wtf:

[jailer]

WHAT?!:wtf:

It's a tv show. Jim rome is a "tough" analyst for espn. Wallace is gonna answer questions about the draft.

[Interminator]

It's a tv show. Jim rome is a "tough" analyst for espn. Wallace is gonna answer questions about the draft.
Rome probably sucked his cawk for handing Gasol over to LA.

[jailer]

Wallace gave the usual "pc" answers. But he did say one thing that I liked. He said that the draft is called the draft for a reason. And that they would take whatever player they wanted. Also saying that they wouldnt let the media determine who they pick.

[BigSims2108]

It's a tv show. Jim rome is a "tough" analyst for espn. Wallace is gonna answer questions about the draft.

No, I mean, I know who Jim Rome is, I watch him now and then, but I was just surprised that they are actually talking to someone on the griz.

[brandonislegend]

Ugh im not liking how this is looking.

I hope we can trade #2 pick to Minny for some more picks I dont like the position we are in right now for some reason.

[gasolina]

Wow the Bucks trade was pretty bad. They essentially traded Yi for nothing.

Apart from a Rondo/Scal for Conley/Gay trade, the grizz appears to be heading to a nice season. Sucks for Bucks fans, it must feel like **** to know that the team would be playing for nothing.

1 more day!

[Kebab Stall]

I was reading the grizzliesonline forum last night, when Wallace was on Rome and apparently he said a couple of interesting things.

Did he really on just touch on Thabeet, as "the shot-blocking center out of UConn"?

I also read that he spent some time talking about Evans, whereas he only touched upon other players.

I also read that he said, when talking about visiting Rubio, "...our starting center, Marc Gasol...", could this be a hint towards anything?

Thanks to the guys over at the grizzliesonline forum, otherwise I would be completely in the dark about this.

[jailer]

I was reading the grizzliesonline forum last night, when Wallace was on Rome and apparently he said a couple of interesting things.

Did he really on just touch on Thabeet, as "the shot-blocking center out of UConn"?

I also read that he spent some time talking about Evans, whereas he only touched upon other players.

I also read that he said, when talking about visiting Rubio, "...our starting center, Marc Gasol...", could this be a hint towards anything?


Dont look to much into it. Him and rome laughed about how "safe" wallace was describing all of the grizzlies options for their pick.
Thanks to the guys over at the grizzliesonline forum, otherwise I would be completely in the dark about this.[/

[Kebab Stall]

Please don't draft Hasheem Thabeet (http://hard49.byoaudio.com/files/media/e91cb64c-0f0a-85ef-ee47-0cae5ffa79d8.mp3)

:roll:

[Interminator]

Please don't draft Hasheem Thabeet (http://hard49.byoaudio.com/files/media/e91cb64c-0f0a-85ef-ee47-0cae5ffa79d8.mp3)

:roll:
:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

This sums up Thursday.

"Ya think hes like Dikem'bee but I think hes more like Shawn Brad'leeeey"

If we do this I dont know how I will react, espescially with Marc Gasol now being forced into a backup role, yet neither can play any other position than the 5.

[gasolina]

Maybe we're drafting Thabeet to trade him to the T-wolves for the #5 and #6 or Love?

THat would make sense, because I'd do that if I were the T-wolves. Not really that sold on Rubio. Jefferson + Thabeet would be awesooooome

[Maniak]

Maybe we're drafting Thabeet to trade him to the T-wolves for the #5 and #6 or Love?

THat would make sense, because I'd do that if I were the T-wolves. Not really that sold on Rubio. Jefferson + Thabeet would be awesooooome
Thats a nice idea. I wouldnt mind the #5 or #6 with Love....

Actually, Id love that.

[BigSims2108]

Thats a nice idea. I wouldnt mind the #5 or #6 with Love....

Actually, Id love that.

Yeah, I like it too, but at the same time, I would think about if the T'wolves would do it. I know that Minnesota has done some stupid sh** before, but I don't think they could go THIS far. Other than that, I would love this! At the same time, we would retain our cap room.

[Kebab Stall]

If we trade the 2nd away for the 5th and Love, maybe we would have to throw in Darko, perhaps.

Anyway, I would do this if we could get either Evans or Harden with the 5th pick.

Assume Minny take Thabeet with the 2nd. OKC would take Rubio? Kings would then take either Harden or Evans and then we take the other.

Conley / Evans (if we get him)
Mayo / Harden or Evans (which ever one we get)
Gay / Warrick?
Love / Arthur
Gasol / Haddadi

Not bad if you ask me. Bring in a shooter and then a vet to help Gay and Mayo along and we're set.

[BigSims2108]

If we trade the 2nd away for the 5th and Love, maybe we would have to throw in Darko, perhaps.

Anyway, I would do this if we could get either Evans or Harden with the 5th pick.

Assume Minny take Thabeet with the 2nd. OKC would take Rubio? Kings would then take either Harden or Evans and then we take the other.

Conley / Evans (if we get him)
Mayo / Harden or Evans (which ever one we get)
Gay / Warrick?
Love / Arthur
Gasol / Haddadi

Not bad if you ask me. Bring in a shooter and then a vet to help Gay and Mayo along and we're set.

Yeah, and we retain our cap room with this deal. So we can still bring in a good PF like Boozer or Lee. But I want us to go and get a veteran player who is a leader on and off the court to help Rudy, O.J., and Conley develop their game.

[Maniak]

Yeah, and we retain our cap room with this deal. So we can still bring in a good PF like Boozer or Lee. But I want us to go and get a veteran player who is a leader on and off the court to help Rudy, O.J., and Conley develop their game.
With a trade like that Id rather pursue a backup SF for Gay.

[Kebab Stall]

FINALLY, some clips from Harden's, DeRozan's and Hill's workouts. It about damn time we got some footage of this, even thought it's only just over 3 minutes long, it's better than nothing.

http://www.nba.com/grizzlies/video/2009/06/24/workout-090621.grizzlies/

[Maniak]

Just watched the video.

I dont see how we can ignore a talent like Harden. He looks so amazing and I think he will be a legit NBA player.

As for DeRozan, he looks OK, but if we stick with the #2, not worth it.

Then Jordan Hill, to me, he will just be a guy who gets few points and alot of rebounds. I didnt see much of his college game, so Im not sure about his ability to get to the line and shotblocking....

[jailer]

I would rather see marc at the back up role anyways. I just dont know if thabeet is our starting center in the future.

One more day guys. Im crazy excited abouty the draft.

[BigSims2108]

I would rather see marc at the back up role anyways. I just dont know if thabeet is our starting center in the future.

One more day guys. Im crazy excited abouty the draft.

http://thepirata.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/gun_2_head.jpg

This is what my loyalty towards the grizz would do if we picked Thabeet.
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[Kebab Stall]

http://thepirata.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/gun_2_head.jpg

This is what my loyalty towards the grizz would do if we picked Thabeet.
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I would be so disappointed if we draft Thabeet.

[J-Memphis]

I do not have Insider access at ESPN so maybe someone who does can see further what this is about but one of the Rumor headlines reads "League source: Grizzlies won't take Rubio".

If in the minds of the staff it is already set in stone and they do not at least keep pursuing trade options until the last second, this team might be beyond recovery.

If nothing else I just hope the staff pursues a Rubio trade up until the last minute. Even if nothing works before the pick I would hope they would have the cajones to take him anyway and say to the rest of the league "You want Ricky, come get him."

[BigSims2108]

I do not have Insider access at ESPN so maybe someone who does can see further what this is about but one of the Rumor headlines reads "League source: Grizzlies won't take Rubio".

If in the minds of the staff it is already set in stone and they do not at least keep pursuing trade options until the last second, this team might be beyond recovery.

If nothing else I just hope the staff pursues a Rubio trade up until the last minute. Even if nothing works before the pick I would hope they would have the cajones to take him anyway and say to the rest of the league "You want Ricky, come get him."

Here.

The mystery in Memphis

On Sunday, the intrigue surrounding what Memphis should do with the second pick in the draft continues to deepen, as a handful of names seem to be in play.

[BigSims2108]

League source: Grizzlies won't take Rubio
A league executive tells 1050 ESPN New York's Andrew Marchand that the Grizzlies will not take Ricky Rubio with the No. 2 pick.

But it's not like they have their minds made up.

The source said Memphis likes Hasheem Thabeet, Tyreke Evans, James Harden and Johnny Flynn. Thabeet is the most likely pick, among the four, even though he couldn't participate in a recent workout due to a sore shoulder.

The Knicks are also reportedly interested in trading up for Rubio. Two league executives told Marchand the Knicks like Stephen Curry more than Rubio. A third source says if Arizona forward Jordan Hill is available the Knicks are high on him as well.

All clear yet?

[J-Memphis]

Thanks a lot BigSims

I wouldn't mind exploring the Knicks trade options more - It seems everyone is stuck on Minnesota after their trade for the 5 pick. Whatever happens, Im pulling for the Grizz to come away with multiple assets rather than just Thabeet or whoever at the 2.

[BigSims2108]

Thanks a lot BigSims

Anytime. I think it's retarded that people have to pay for ESPN insider anyway. Besides, my grizzlies brothers and sisters deserve to know what's going on.:D

[Interminator]

Welcome Hasheem Thabeet.

:wtf:

We better make a damn trade soon.

[O.J A 6'4Mamba]

This is exciting because no of us Grizzlies's Fans the few of us know what our front office will do. I am just hoping we can get Harden and somebody else. Trading down. Since Rubio isn't coming to town..

[Kebab Stall]

I just don't know what to believe any more. There are so many 'sources' coming out, that nothing is making sense. All we can do now is just wait for the draft.

What time is the draft? Is it late?

[J-Memphis]

LAC officially on the clock at 6:30 but coverage starts at 6 Central.

[Kebab Stall]

LAC officially on the clock at 6:30 but coverage starts at 6 Central.
Thanks.

[jailer]

Yeah im trying to keep up with all of these "sources" info in order. But im kinda tired of hearing the rumors. Their all over the place.

[Kebab Stall]

Well, here's more confusion, I just read on the grizzliesonline forum, that Rubio wouldn't mind playing in Memphis now.

http://boards.grizzliesonline.com/index.php?showtopic=6698

There's a link to the source in that link.

[J-Memphis]

My question is: Does Rubio's softening up to the idea of playing for the Grizz even reach the front office in time for tonight's draft? And if it does, will they do the right thing and just take Rubio?

If they do, we can keep him or be the place anyone has to go through to get him. Win-Win.

Regardless of the final outcome, if we pick Rubio with the 2nd pick I will be going :hammertime: crazy.

[Kebab Stall]

I'm sure the Memphis FO were aware of the situation before anyone else. They probably knew that Fegan (Rubio's agent) was just blowing smoke, because Rubio never said much about where he wanted to play, it was his agent who done all the talking.

Fegan knows he's got a big player on his hands and wants him in a big market, I'm sure Rubio, probably doesn't care where he is, as long as he gets to play. If he comes here, he's going to be playing along side Gasol, his friend.

However, I think if we do draft Rubio, we should just let the bidding wars begin and try and get the best offer available.

Drafting Thabeet would be much worse than drafting Rubio, for two major reasons. Firstly, if we decide to keep the pick, Rubio is going to be the better player, secondly, if we trade the pick, Rubio has much more value and would bring bigger and better offers. Drafting Thabeet is a lose-lose situation.

[J-Memphis]

Absolutely agreed with you on all fronts.

If we pick him, it would be insane not to let the bidding wars happen. But only for certain amount of time so that if we do pick Rubio, we will need to give full confidence to the future star. We can't try to trade him forever and look like we never really wanted him. If we land him and dont like the offers, then we need to go out of our way to make him excited and confident in Memphis.

[Kebab Stall]

I agree, the only problem is that apparently there aren't many on the Rubio bandwagon in the Memphis FO, so I doubt we'll draft himto begin with, unless a definite trade is in the works.

If we do keep Rubio, the guard rotation is going to be awkward. Rubio is obviously going to need plenty of minutes to grow and progress, but behind Conley, that might no happen. So I think we might see Conley gone, which I doubt considering how high some people are on him, me being one of them. Also, Rubio is not yet good enough to be playing SG in the NBA, so again, it's limited minutes.

Not to mention the fact that we would definitly have to look for a starting PF if we draft Rubio and keep him.

[Interminator]

Damn Hasheem Thabeet, I was hoping it never came to this.

But it has and now we have to watch Memphis once again waste a high draft pick on a player who doesn't play a position of need.

Chances are unless we move Gasol, Thabeet probably only plays 23 MPG.

[Kebab Stall]

I don't understand the reason why we continue to go after piss poor centers. First it was Darko, then it was Haddadi and now it's Thabeet. For f*cks sake, we already have Gasol who is going to be excellent in a couple of more years.

If we draft for need Thabeet shouldn't even be within the top 3 of our list and we draft based on pure talent, Thabeet still shouldn't be within the top 3 on any list.

I don't get why we would Thabeet when Rubio is right there. If the FO don't want Rubio, then just draft him and trade him. It's really quite simple, yet the FO are making this much more complicated than it has to be.

[Interminator]

I don't understand the reason why we continue to go after piss poor centers. First it was Darko, then it was Haddadi and now it's Thabeet. For f*cks sake, we already have Gasol who is going to be excellent in a couple of more years.

If we draft for need Thabeet shouldn't even be within the top 3 of our list and we draft based on pure talent, Thabeet still shouldn't be within the top 3 on any list.

I don't get why we would Thabeet when Rubio is right there. If the FO don't want Rubio, then just draft him and trade him. It's really quite simple, yet the FO are making this much more complicated than it has to be.
Yep.

They dont realize Minnesota and New York are dying to acquire him.

I can understand swapping with Minnesota to move down from #2 to #6 and also acquire the #18, and #28 picks and end up drafting Jordan Hill there at #6.

#18 we could go for whoever slips, if its Brandon Jennings or Earl Clark available, Draft him.
#27 #28 we can fill needs specifically a spot shooter swingman like Budinger and then a potential shutdown defender like Sam Young.

I want to be the Grizzlies GM one day and fix these problems.

[Maniak]

Yep.

They dont realize Minnesota and New York are dying to acquire him.

I can understand swapping with Minnesota to move down from #2 to #6 and also acquire the #18, and #28 picks and end up drafting Jordan Hill there at #6.

#18 we could go for whoever slips, if its Brandon Jennings or Earl Clark available, Draft him.
#27 #28 we can fill needs specifically a spot shooter swingman like Budinger and then a potential shutdown defender like Sam Young.

I want to be the Grizzlies GM one day and fix these problems.
Better you than Chris Wallace, thats for sure :D

[Interminator]

Better you than Chris Wallace, thats for sure :D
Thanks, I thought you were going to reference Keith Brumbaugh as if I would have drafted him at #2.:oldlol:

[jailer]

I have been reading non stop, and listening to the radio all day guys.

Apparently the griz have been trying very hard to trade. But the griz want ALOT for the second pick. They even tried to get the fifth and sixth picks and love. We want alot for the pick and everyone is low balling us for it.

[BigSims2108]

I have been reading non stop, and listening to the radio all day guys.

Apparently the griz have been trying very hard to trade. But the griz want ALOT for the second pick. They even tried to get the fifth and sixth picks and love. We want alot for the pick and everyone is low balling us for it.

*sigh*:hammerhead: They did it all wrong. They should KNOW that just the #2 is not enough for #5 and #6 or #5 and Love. They should have thrown in Darko and maybe cash.

[brandonislegend]

if we dont trade i want to draft evans or harden.

but i 100% rather trade