Great article about why people hate Kobe

[Manute for Ever!]

I have never liked or respected Kobe Bryant, I've been asked to explain why, but my words always seem to fall short. Well, this sums it up perfectly (and, yes, I understand it is from a Celtics website and was written during the finals):


First of all, there is a difference between hating a player and a team, and hating the coverage of that player or team. It is rarely the fault of the player or team that the national media falls in love (or hate, see your Patriots) with them, and writes countless stories, essentially shoving the player down the throat of America. Some fans confuse this difference, and end up hating the player or the team just because they are forced to hear and read about them 24 hours a day. Bill Belichick is all anyone wants to talk or write about, and it is quite obvious that he doesn't love the camera; at least not when it's being trained on him (I had to). I do not hate Kobe because he is on TV a lot.

Other times, fans hate players or teams because they "kill" their team or favorite player on a consistent basis. This sort of hate is what was behind the old "Yankees Suck" chant. You know, the one Sox fans used to chant when the Bombers were dominating. (Now if we chant it, Yanks fans don't have much of a beef.) Fans, and I'm very guilty of this as well, we'll often say "I BLEEPING hate that guy" during a game in which their nemesis is, once again, lighting their favorite team up. So please, let me preface this post by saying, I do not hate Kobe because he is really good, or because he plays for the Lakers.


http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/extras/green_room/2008/06/i_hate_kobe_so.html

[OldSchoolBBall]

If you got invited to a Bah Mitzvah for a 30-year-old, that would be completely OK?

:roll:

[loot]

and this:

http://a323.yahoofs.com/ymg/ept_sports_nba_experts__21/ept_sports_nba_experts-771982461-1237514784.jpg?ymg4I.ADttwv.Tpl

[Manute for Ever!]

:roll:

That's the bit that had me laughing, too.

[Manute for Ever!]

and this:

http://a323.yahoofs.com/ymg/ept_sports_nba_experts__21/ept_sports_nba_experts-771982461-1237514784.jpg?ymg4I.ADttwv.Tpl

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

:applause: Awesome!

[Stringer Bell]

I agree about bringing his wife to the press conference, in tears, holding hands, and apologizing. That stuff is behind closed doors type of stuff, not "bring out the cameras and watch my wife forgive me".

Other stuff, I disagree with. I think Kobe got too much flack for the Lakers breaking up in 2004. I never blamed Kobe solely. All of them (Kobe, Shaq, Jackson, Buss) are to blame.

As far as him being fake, well that makes him how much different than a number of players in pro sports?

Kobe not being the most liked teammate? Well let's not rewrite history and act like the man Kobe is often compared to, MJ, was some lovable teammate. He was notoriously ruthless on his teammates. He frequently referred to them as "my supporting cast".

With such great technology nowadays, it's easier to find out more of the "dirt" about athletes. ESPN likes to turn things into a soap opera. Magic Johnson would've been bashed a lot for basically getting his coach fired in his 2nd season. Michael Jordan could've only protected his image so well when you can't even so much as fart without it making the sporting news everywhere.

[Stringer Bell]

I think a lot of people, at least on the internet, hate Kobe for his annoying and often disturbed fan base.

Liking a player and rooting for him is fine.

Too many Kobe homers take it too far where it's just disturbing. Grown men with a man crush and idol-worshipping someone because he's good at a sport.

Get some help please.

[Manute for Ever!]

I think a lot of people, at least on the internet, hate Kobe for his annoying and often disturbed fan base.

Liking a player and rooting for him is fine.

Too many Kobe homers take it too far where it's just disturbing. Grown men with a man crush and idol-worshipping someone because he's good at a sport.

Get some help please.

That adds to it for me. It is definitely disturbing.

[imdaman99]

That adds to it for me. It is definitely disturbing.
I am pretty sure you don't have to pay attention to them, or maybe you enjoy egging them on with threads like this. For God sakes you even have him in your user title under your av. Seems to me you got the man crush because you guys will constantly talk about him, find ways to put him down. And OldSchoolBub as well. He never saw an anti-Kobe thread he didn't invite himself into.

Let it go, if you really don't like hearing the Kobe trolls, you wouldn't make threads such as this :lol

[gpfanz]

I have never liked or respected Kobe Bryant, I've been asked to explain why, but my words always seem to fall short. Well, this sums it up perfectly (and, yes, I understand it is from a Celtics website and was written during the finals):
http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/extras/green_room/2008/06/i_hate_kobe_so.html

Nice :cheers:

[quasimoto]

There's more than one reason why a lot of people (including me) dislike Kobe. The main one being that he basically got 3 rings thrown in his lap. I mean, most other top players have to try for years to get a chance to win a championship, but Kobe was already in his first year paired to one of the best players ever. That's not his fault of course, but it irritates me that everyone who's trying to argue that Kobe > random player still uses it as an argument even though it shouldn't be one. And three years after Shaq's departure the Lakers somehow get the opportunity to trade Kwame Brown for Pau Gasol...doesn't make it easier for me to like him.

The second reason is his fan base. For some reason the ratio trolls:fans is way higher with Kobe than with other players.

I also never really liked his playing style. Especially in the post-Shaq years he didn't seem to know that he had teammates. I prefer guys like Wade and James. At least they incorporate their teammates in the game.

[Manute for Ever!]

I am pretty sure you don't have to pay attention to them, or maybe you enjoy egging them on with threads like this. For God sakes you even have him in your user title under your av. Seems to me you got the man crush because you guys will constantly talk about him, find ways to put him down. And OldSchoolBub as well. He never saw an anti-Kobe thread he didn't invite himself into.

Let it go, if you really don't like hearing the Kobe trolls, you wouldn't make threads such as this :lol

I'm just venting because he has been popping up in almost every thread lately and it is driving me nuts. The user title refers to the trolls that keep bringing him up, they bug the **** out of me.

[rox fa sho]

no you silly aholes, people hate kobe cuz he's bigger than them, at the same time faster than them, at the same time better than them, at the same time richer than them, and he's black.

[S13M]

The second reason is his fan base. For some reason the ratio trolls:fans is way higher with Kobe than with other players.


Really? I think Lebron trolls:fans ratio is close to Kobe.

[kNIOKAS]

yeah it's well put... kinda matches my opinion. kobe just tries too hard, and yet some people think that too hard=awesome. no

[Valliant13]

I despise him because I honestly believe he raped a women. He was never convicted because he paid her off to avoid going to court...but there is nothing he can do in a game that will remove that kind of stain. It's the same reason I hate Ruben Patterson. Kobe is a a great player...but complete low life sociopath off the court (imo).

[kidachi]

nice article. but why do they sound like Kobe's never been criticized?

this made me laugh.



You can't trade your brothers in real life. Ask Tito Jackson.

:oldlol:

[lilmarcgasol]

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b22/yourlosangeleslakers/kobe81.jpg

[plowking]

So you hate Kobe because he's supposedly fake? So was Jordan.

You hate Kobe because he avoided his off court dramas? So did Jordan.

You hate Kobe because of his playoff performance? Kobe played well in the series against Phoenix, are you going to hate Jordan because of his loses to the Detroit Bad Boys?

Jordan was just as fake as Kobe and to go along with it, he was an a$$hole, much more so then Kobe. I really don't understand how someone can hate Kobe, but be a fan of Jordan.

Kobe is just Jordan 10 years later, and I don't mean in skill/accomplishments, I just mean in the overall scheme of things in the NBA now.

[lilmarcgasol]

People hate Kobe because he is the best at his position. People hate on Jay-Z all the time too. People used to hate on Abraham Lincoln.

[plowking]

People hate Kobe because he is the best at his position. People hate on Jay-Z all the time too. People used to hate on Abraham Lincoln.

Not anymore.

[strifed169]

reasons I dislike Kobe

- tries too hard to mimmick Jordan
- has Vujacic as a friend
- tries too hard to be the hero in crunch time (although I think its become a habit he can't shake off)
- his fans

[lilmarcgasol]

Not anymore.
I agree with you.

People hate Kobe because he is the best player on the best team in the league.

[PleezeBelieve]

So you hate Kobe because he's supposedly fake? So was Jordan.

You hate Kobe because he avoided his off court dramas? So did Jordan.

You hate Kobe because of his playoff performance? Kobe played well in the series against Phoenix, are you going to hate Jordan because of his loses to the Detroit Bad Boys?

Jordan was just as fake as Kobe and to go along with it, he was an a$$hole, much more so then Kobe. I really don't understand how someone can hate Kobe, but be a fan of Jordan.

Kobe is just Jordan 10 years later, and I don't mean in skill/accomplishments, I just mean in the overall scheme of things in the NBA now.
This postis basically explains why Kobe deserves to be hate. He's nowhere near as good as people like his clown claim he is. Literally the most overrated player of the last 35 years.

[lilmarcgasol]

This postis basically explains why Kobe deserves to be hate. He's nowhere near as good as people like his clown claim he is. Literally the most overrated player of the last 35 years.
You mean Lebron James? Touted as the future GOAT, compared with Magic Johnson by national media even though he has won nothing and has played one of the worst finals performances ever and gets shut down by elite teams?

[Da_Realist]

So you hate Kobe because he's supposedly fake? So was Jordan.

Politically correct is different than being fake.


You hate Kobe because of his playoff performance? Kobe played well in the series against Phoenix, are you going to hate Jordan because of his loses to the Detroit Bad Boys?

Nobody's hating Kobe because he lost, but how he lost. Kobe quit on the team. Find where Jordan did that.


Jordan was just as fake as Kobe and to go along with it, he was an a$$hole, much more so then Kobe. I really don't understand how someone can hate Kobe, but be a fan of Jordan.

Apples and oranges. Jordan was tough on guys he didn't think was giving their all. I didn't hear too much about in-fighting with Scottie Pippen or a power struggle with Phil Jackson. Even the tension with Horace Grant stayed behind closed doors. And besides all that...he was even tougher on himself. He didn't blame guys when he himself didn't give his all. He didn't give up in big games then talk about how his teammates weren't "tough" enough. He doesn't have a trail of ex-teammates saying they left the team because of him. Phil Jackson never wrote a book saying how much of a cancer and prima-donna he was.

There's a difference in calling someone "Crumbs" or "Will Vanderbilt" and telling police that his teammate gave girls hush money.


Kobe is just Jordan 10 years later, and I don't mean in skill/accomplishments, I just mean in the overall scheme of things in the NBA now.

:no:

[S13M]

- tries too hard to be the hero in crunch time (although I think its become a habit he can't shake off)

Should he just stand there and watch?

[plowking]

Politically correct is different than being fake.



Nobody's hating Kobe because he lost, but how he lost. Kobe quit on the team. Find where Jordan did that.



Apples and oranges. Jordan was tough on guys he didn't think was giving their all. I didn't hear too much about in-fighting with Scottie Pippen or a power struggle with Phil Jackson. Even the tension with Horace Grant stayed behind closed doors. And besides all that...he was even tougher on himself. He didn't blame guys when he himself didn't give his all. He didn't give up in big games then talk about how his teammates weren't "tough" enough. He doesn't have a trail of ex-teammates saying they left the team because of him. Phil Jackson never wrote a book saying how much of a cancer and prima-donna he was.

There's a difference in calling someone "Crumbs" or "Will Vanderbilt" and telling police that his teammate gave girls hush money.



:no:

People seem to have taken the Jordan comment the wrong way. In no way did I mean skill or accomplishments. I mean as in, he's that guy, he's the guy you want to beat, he's the one you want to be better than, he's the ruler of the kingdom, or was in this case. It was his league for a while, and people seem to think Kobe wants to be like Jordan, when the thing is, Kobe wants to be better. Kobe never wanted to be like Jordan, he saw his game, and saw the level of success Jordan achieved, so he crafted many aspects of his game by Jordan, though Kobe is one of those people who strive to be the best and in this case came short, which by no means is a failure but an amazing effort.

[Meticode]

People will be arguing this meaningless sh!t for 100 years I swear and we'll still be where we are today.

[utahjazzrock]

God atricle.
Agreed with alot.
But maybe too harsh dont ya think?
I dont like him but I "respect" him as a PLAYER.
And the ratio for "trolls" are higher for Kobe than lebron.
Some Kobe fans are so bad, that when Kobe has an off-night, but Gausol or Odom steps up and are the Game MVP's, they still give ALL the credit to Kobe.
Those kinds aren't even Laker fans!

[Diesel J]

You mean Lebron James?

You mean like Kobe



Touted as the future GOAT,

Some people say that kObe is better than Jordan




compared with Magic Johnson by national media even though he has won nothing and has played one of the worst finals performances ever and gets shut down by elite teams?

Kobe is compared by Jordan even though he bever accomplished anything (he was a second round virgin lol) as the "go to man" of his team until Gasol came along and saved his azz. Kobe gets shuts down by elite team and put up plenty of ****ty finals performances even though he didn't get double teamed and played second fiddle next to the most unstoppable force maybe in NBA history.

Koe's 5 Finals avgs

Kobe Bryant Finals Stats (Updated):

IND - 15.6 PPG, 36% FG
PHI - 24.6 PPG, 42% FG
NJ - 26.8 PPG, 51% FG
DET - 22.6 PPG, 38% FG
BOS - 25.7 PPG, 41% FG

Notice a trend? Need a hint? Look at the FG% and PPG.



:roll:

[branslowski]

Wonderful Thread for all Kobe Haters to unite!!!:lol

Time to get out thee old lubricant cream and have a Kobe Hating orgy!:oldlol:

Kobe Hater-"This thread gets me all hot and bothered"....:roll:

Kobe really did bad things to his teamates, imagine if he threw a T.V at them?

Notable ppl who had haters..Jesus, early MJ, Jay-Z.:D

This Thread Totally RAWKS!!! :rockon:

[Diesel J]

KObe on Bynum


"Ship his azz out":oldlol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZpWJtgvm5Q&feature=PlayList&p=BE37B666551646E8&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=9

[branslowski]

KObe on Bynum


"Ship his azz out":oldlol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZpWJtgvm5Q&feature=PlayList&p=BE37B666551646E8&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=9

Wonderful Thread for all Kobe Haters to unite!!!

Time to get out thee old lubricant cream and have a Kobe Hating orgy!

Kobe Hater-"This thread gets me all hot and bothered"....

Kobe really did bad things to his teamates, imagine if he threw a T.V at them?

Notable ppl who had haters..Jesus, early MJ, Jay-Z.

This Thread Totally RAWKS!!! :hammertime:

[1~Gibson~1]

No one hates Kobe, we just hate SOME of his annoying fans

No one hates LeBron, we just hate SOME of his annoying fans

unless you're a hater

[branslowski]

No one hates Kobe, we just hate SOME of his annoying fans

No one hates LeBron, we just hate SOME of his annoying fans

unless you're a hater

Thats the thing, there fans are suppose to be the ones getting bashed, but Kobe gets bashed all the time.

8-All-Defensive teams...."He doesnt deserve them, overated"
10-All NBA Teams....."he's overated"
11-All-star teams, 3MVP's......"he's overated"
avg 35ppg in a season......"ballhog, overated"
81pts....."defense sucks, ballhog, overated"


Notice a trend? They all talk about FACTS, but every answer they give is something dumb and made up. They ignore facts, but get upset when others do it!:wtf:

[Kobe24]

Damn, hating on someone you don't know? That's whats hot in the streets?

[Meticode]

Damn, hating on someone you don't know? That's whats hot in the streets?

50 Cent right?

[S13M]

Koe's 5 Finals avgs

Kobe Bryant Finals Stats (Updated):

IND - 15.6 PPG, 36% FG
PHI - 24.6 PPG, 42% FG
NJ - 26.8 PPG, 51% FG
DET - 22.6 PPG, 38% FG
BOS - 25.7 PPG, 41% FG

Notice a trend? Need a hint? Look at the FG% and PPG.



:roll:

What's wrong with the PPG? :confusedshrug:

I only see ****ty FG%.

[Kobe24]

Damn, I know Kobe's finals % are pretty bad but Lebron's is damn near horrible. Not to mention he's winless. That's like Rosie O'donnell calling Roseanne ugly. Sh!t doesn't make sense.

[puppychili]

Hows about we talk about both:

8-All-Defensive teams
10-All NBA Teams
11-All-star teams, 3MVPs
avg 35ppg in a season
81pts

All of that is what makes Kobe a great player. I wont take anything away from what he did above.

Kobe Bryant Finals Stats (Updated):

IND - 15.6 PPG, 36% FG
PHI - 24.6 PPG, 42% FG
NJ - 26.8 PPG, 51% FG
DET - 22.6 PPG, 38% FG
BOS - 25.7 PPG, 41% FG

How you play in the Finals is what makes you an elite player. Ask Karl Malone. His legacy was tarnished by how poorly he played in the Finals. The above stats show that Kobe just hasn't stepped it up in the Finals.


And for all this talk about how Jordan was an a-hole too, I'd just like to point out one thing. HE BACKED IT UP. Thats why he gets more of a pass on this kind of behavior and Kobe doesnt. When you come down hard on your teamates all the time and then lead them to 6 NBA titles you're a great leader. When you come down hard on your teamates and then blow a 3-1 series lead, blow an 18 pont 2nd half lead and get historically blown out in game 6 of the Finals, you're an a-hole.

And it's not just that, Kobe doest have the personality skills to act like he does. Two people can tell the same exact joke and one guy can have people rolling while the other will have people walking away in silence. Thats cause one guy knows how to tell a joke and the other one doesnt. Same thing woth Jordan and Kobe. Jordan knew how to be hard on his teamates and push his team to be better and win and Kobe doesnt.

[Diesel J]

Damn, I know Kobe's finals % are pretty but Lebron's is damn near horrible. Not to mention he's winless. That's like Rosie O'donnell calling Roseanne ugly. Sh!t doesn't make sense.


Lberon has only been in 1 finals and he was the clear leader of that team while Kobe has been in 5 finals. For 4/5 of those, Kobe played second fiddle to the most unstoppable force in NBA history who had to be trippled teamed at times (check Shaq's Finals numbers, They're:eek: ) which means Kobe had tons of 1 on1 play and he still put bad FG%'s.

It's easy to have a bad Finals series but 4/5 bad ones with 4 of them, all you had to do was be a second fiddle and not the "the man" equals a trend

[Kobe24]

Lberon has only been in 1 finals and he was the clear leader of that team while Kobe has been in 5 finals. For 4/5 of those, Kobe played second fiddle to the most unstoppable force in NBA history who had to be trippled teamed at times (check Shaq's Finals numbers, They're:eek: ) which means Kobe had tons of 1 on1 play and he still put bad FG%'s.

Kobe has been a leader for 4 years before going to the finals. Lebron had a terrible fg % against a team Kobe dominated in 5 games. Fact of the matter is, Lebron is winless. Face it, he has more bronze medals than championships. :oldlol:

[1~Gibson~1]

Lberon has only been in 1 finals and he was the clear leader of that team while Kobe has been in 5 finals. For 4/5 of those, Kobe played second fiddle to the most unstoppable force in NBA history who had to be trippled teamed at times (check Shaq's Finals numbers, They're ) which means Kobe had tons of 1 on1 play and he still put bad FG%'s.

It's easy to have a bad Finals series but 4/5 bad ones with 4 of them, all you had to do was be a second fiddle and not the "the man" equals a trendwhile lebron had Larry "Im Injured" Hughes/Daniel "Rookie" Gibson
Sasha "slumping" Pavlovic
Drew "Inconsistent" Gooden
and
Big Z

not to mention the bench was horrible with or without him on the floor. LeBron played 1-on-5 and got killed as expected.

[kNIOKAS]

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b22/yourlosangeleslakers/kobe81.jpg
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/4716/finalswidec.jpg

[branslowski]

Lberon has only been in 1 finals and he was the clear leader of that team while Kobe has been in 5 finals. For 4/5 of those, Kobe played second fiddle to the most unstoppable force in NBA history who had to be trippled teamed at times (check Shaq's Finals numbers, They're:eek: ) which means Kobe had tons of 1 on1 play and he still put bad FG%'s.

It's easy to have a bad Finals series but 4/5 bad ones with 4 of them, all you had to do was be a second fiddle and not the "the man" equals a trend

4/5 he avg over 22ppg. 4/5 as a Legit Side Kick. Won 3/5 Titles.

He only has 1 Finals where he was the Man, and thats a Choke. When you put his stats up as the Side Kick, it seems like you are counting that as him being the Leader. Just because Shaq is in the middle doesnt make him better as a indivisual Player.

[Kobe24]

while lebron had Larry "Im Injured" Hughes/Daniel "Rookie" Gibson
Sasha "slumping" Pavlovic
Drew "Inconsistent" Gooden
and
Big Z

not to mention the bench was horrible with or without him on the floor. LeBron played 1-on-5 and got killed as expected.

Yet he made the finals with the same supporting cast. Didn't Gibson beast against Detroit? Didn't Drew put up good numbers in all rounds and we all know Big Z is always gonna show up. Typical Cavs fans trying to put down there roster.

[Diesel J]

Lebron had a terrible fg % against a team Kobe dominated in 5 games.

Spurs? Lebron and Kobe didn't even face the same D because they're teams didn't have the offensive power. Lebron was shadowed/double/tripled because the Spurs forced him perimeter and was willing to see if other Cavs players could beat them. Last season in the Spurs/Lakers series, the Spurs plan was to play Kobe with single coverage and stay on everyone else and it backfired.





Fact of the matter is, Lebron is winless. Face it, he has more bronze medals than championships. :oldlol:

face it, Kobe has more first round exits (2nd round virgin lol) than championships as the leader of the Lakers:oldlol:

he better give gasol a check for getting him past the 2nd round virgin stage

[1~Gibson~1]

Yet he made the finals with the same supporting cast. Didn't Gibson beast against Detroit? Didn't Drew put up good numbers in all rounds and we all know Big Z is always gonna show up. Typical Cavs fans trying to put down there roster.Gibson got there off of LeBron getting him open shots

and as i said Gooden is inconsistent

Z was the only consistent teammate lebron had.

[1~Gibson~1]

Spurs? Lebron and Kobe didn't even face the same D because they're teams didn't have the offensive power. Lebron was shadowed/double/tripled because the Spurs forced him perimeter and was willing to see if other Cavs players could beat them. Last season in the Spurs/Lakers series, the Spurs plan was to play Kobe with single coverage and stay on everyone else and it backfired.






face it, Kobe has more first round exits (2nd round version lol) than championships as the leader of the Lakers:oldlol:you mean virgin? :oldlol:

[branslowski]

Yet he made the finals with the same supporting cast. Didn't Gibson beast against Detroit? Didn't Drew put up good numbers in all rounds and we all know Big Z is always gonna show up. Typical Cavs fans trying to put down there roster.

Because you gotta make it seem like LeBron is the ultimate God, and carry's 2-time All-Star Big Z who is a Kwame Brown type player, to the Finals. And Gibson sucks, we all know that, lol, he had 0 to do with them getting to the Finals. :lol

[Diesel J]

you mean virgin? :oldlol:


yeah, typing so fast that I missed the type:oldlol:

[Kobe24]

Because you gotta make it seem like LeBron is the ultimate God, and carry's 2-time All-Star Big Z who is a Kwame Brown type player, to the Finals. And Gibson sucks, we all know that, lol, he had 0 to do with them getting to the Finals. :lol

Ooops. Pavlovic is basically a taller Smush Parker. Gibson sucks. Gooden? Josh Powell clone but worse. Lebron is the GOD despite getting carried in the ECF last year. One good game during a loss does not make up for the bad games he had.

[plowking]

This is why fanboys annoy me.

"Lebron was double and triple teamed while your favorite player had single coverage..."

"Kobe is the best perimeter player since Jordan..."

etc.

Kobe fans have been quiet recently, though with Lebron his fans are starting to me ridiculous comments. Seems like every fault the guy has is being blamed on his supporting cast.

A team that made the finals is bad?

[Kobe24]

This is why fanboys annoy me.

"Lebron was double and triple teamed while your favorite player had single coverage..."

"Kobe is the best perimeter player since Jordan..."

etc.

Kobe fans have been quiet recently, though with Lebron his fans are starting to me ridiculous comments. Seems like every fault the guy has is being blamed on his supporting cast.

A team that made the finals is bad?

They don't know what a terrible supporting cast is. Ask Wade this year, Ask Kobe in 05-06. That's a terrible supporting cast. You fan boys would kill yourselves if you had to watch teams like that.

[branslowski]

Basically....Cavs win...Its all LeBron, by himself, Tarzan

Basically....Cavs lose..Its all because of his teamates

I understand now....:oldlol:

Same goes for Kobe stans to. IMO Kobe CHOKED like a biach in the 08 Finals.

[plowking]

Spurs? Lebron and Kobe didn't even face the same D because they're teams didn't have the offensive power. Lebron was shadowed/double/tripled because the Spurs forced him perimeter and was willing to see if other Cavs players could beat them. Last season in the Spurs/Lakers series, the Spurs plan was to play Kobe with single coverage and stay on everyone else and it backfired.






face it, Kobe has more first round exits (2nd round virgin lol) than championships as the leader of the Lakers:oldlol:

he better give gasol a check for getting him past the 2nd round virgin stage

**** off.

You didn't even watch the series.

You make it out as if Lebron was getting guarded by 5 players along with 2 supporters and a referee, while Kobe got free rides to the basket. :rolleyes:

Piss off with your agenda posts and come back when you see it how it is. The Spurs don't treat Lebron any more specially then they do Kobe, infact at the time they'd probably pay more attention to Kobe seeing as he was the best player in the game.

[Allstar24]

Does anybody care about why you hate Kobe Bryant? You hate him, good for you, stop talking about it...god these topics are just so damn stupid, doesn't even feel like a basketball forum.

[2LeTTeRS]

This is why fanboys annoy me.

"Lebron was double and triple teamed while your favorite player had single coverage..."

"Kobe is the best perimeter player since Jordan..."

etc.

Kobe fans have been quiet recently, though with Lebron his fans are starting to me ridiculous comments. Seems like every fault the guy has is being blamed on his supporting cast.

A team that made the finals is bad?

Yes that team was bad. The starting backcourt was Eric Snow and Larry Hughes. Some of the role players (Gibson and Z) stepped up that year, but that team had no business even winning the East.

[Kobe24]

Yes that team was bad. The starting backcourt was Eric Snow and Larry Hughes. Some of the role players (Gibson and Z) stepped up that year, but that team had no business even winning the East.

But they did.. but I guess that was all Lebron. KD is at it again. :rolleyes:

[gts]

There's more than one reason why a lot of people (including me) dislike Kobe. The main one being that he basically got 3 rings thrown in his lap. I mean, most other top players have to try for years to get a chance to win a championship, but Kobe was already in his first year paired to one of the best players ever. That's not his fault of course, but it irritates me that everyone who's trying to argue that Kobe > random player still uses it as an argument even though it shouldn't be one

so you dislike magic johnson and larry bird too?
tim duncan?
d wade?

or the countless other great players that had immediate success because they got paired with a good team..

[2LeTTeRS]

Basically....Cavs win...Its all LeBron, by himself, Tarzan

Basically....Cavs lose..Its all because of his teamates

I understand now....:oldlol:

Same goes for Kobe stans to. IMO Kobe CHOKED like a biach in the 08 Finals.

No when the Cavs lost against the Celts and Spurs LeBron also didn't play like LeBron. But the fact that his team even advanced far enough to play those teams based off the talent he had around him was telling. He had no 2nd option, a backcourt that couldn't shoot, and a coach with no idea of how to make an offensive scheme. LeBron deserves blame for laying an egg too, but based off the team he had its easier to excuse than last years Lakers or the 04 Lakers with Shaq, Karl Malone, and GP. Do you disagree?

[2LeTTeRS]

But they did.. but I guess that was all Lebron. KD is at it again. :rolleyes:

So if Kobe had willed the 06 or 07 Lakers to the finals with Smush Parker and Kwame Brown and then had a bad finals series you'd be ripping him as much as you do Bron? I didn't think so. The level of his teammates do make a difference. If Bron struggles with this team in the playoffs as much as he did in the past I'll be the first to rip him on it. The question is what will you do?

[LA_Showtime]

I'm sure that a ton of other guys who played in the '70s, '80s, and early '90s would have been more unpopular had the internet been more relevant.

[LA_Showtime]

I thought parts of that article were good but then again he says he doesn't know Kobe personally. I don't know how he acts off of the court, but some people can change. Of course, he could still be an ******* and that wouldn't surprise me at all.

The part I dislike about Kobe is that sometimes I think he plays basketball for the accolades and not for the love of the game. I know he loves basketball, but when he gets caught up in individual accolades and coaches' comments it affects the way he plays.

[5150]

I do not like him for I think he is a ******.

[The_Yearning]

hate him or love him, he's the greatest player we ever seen since jordan and all he cares about now is winning.

crown the mofo already....it's his year if boston or cavs make it to the finals...

[LA_Showtime]

One thing I don't understand is that if you don't like Kobe, then what makes you hate the other Lakers? People were celebrating after Bynum's injury...

[Allstar24]

One thing I don't understand is that if you don't like Kobe, then what makes you hate the other Lakers? People were celebrating after Bynum's injury...
They were celebrating Bynum's injury because they hate the Laker fans who overrate him.

[LA_Showtime]

They were celebrating Bynum's injury because they hate the Laker fans who overrate him.

Every team overrates their players though. If people really like basketball, then they should be able to ignore those types of things. I mean people celebrating a guy who seems like a genuinely good guy. This guy would rather be playing Xbox than going to a club...

[S13M]

Every team overrates their players though.

Don't know about that.

Lakers and Cavs fans tend to underrate players not named Kobe or LeBron when they make MVP arguments.

[5150]

One thing I don't understand is that if you don't like Kobe, then what makes you hate the other Lakers? People were celebrating after Bynum's injury...

Yah some people were celebrating as you say when Bynum got hurt. I think this had a lot to with Bynum stabing Wallace in the chest with his elbow sending him to the hospital for a week.

[zay_24]

I despise him because I honestly believe he raped a women. He was never convicted because he paid her off to avoid going to court...but there is nothing he can do in a game that will remove that kind of stain. It's the same reason I hate Ruben Patterson. Kobe is a a great player...but complete low life sociopath off the court (imo).You do know how much semen samples they found in ONE pair Kate Fabers panites don't you?
You do know they found a semen sample of the person that was susposed to be testifying for her don't you?
Give it up, me and you both know kobe didn't rape anybody.

[5150]

You do know how much semen samples they found in ONE pair Kate Fabers panites don't you?
You do know they found a semen sample of the person that was susposed to be testifying for her don't you?
Give it up, me and you both know kobe didn't rape anybody.

Then why pay her off? So much evidence in Kobe's defense but yet he paid her off anyway?????

[Allstar24]

Every team overrates their players though. If people really like basketball, then they should be able to ignore those types of things. I mean people celebrating a guy who seems like a genuinely good guy. This guy would rather be playing Xbox than going to a club...
For sure, look at Portland fans. But I didn't see Laker fans celebrate when Greg Oden got hurt. I guess that's the difference between us and them.

[zay_24]

God atricle.
Agreed with alot.
But maybe too harsh dont ya think?
I dont like him but I "respect" him as a PLAYER.
And the ratio for "trolls" are higher for Kobe than lebron.
Some Kobe fans are so bad, that when Kobe has an off-night, but Gausol or Odom steps up and are the Game MVP's, they still give ALL the credit to Kobe.
Those kinds aren't even Laker fans!
Saying kobe is better than Lebron isn't being a troll.
Saying Kwame Brown>Lebron is a troll statement.

[2LeTTeRS]

Then why pay her off? So much evidence in Kobe's defense but yet he paid her off anyway?????

Because the longer it was drawn out the more his name would be drug through the mud. In America being exonerated in court does not mean you win in the court of public opinion, ask OJ.

[gts]

Then why pay her off? So much evidence in Kobe's defense but yet he paid her off anyway?????financial move..cheaper to pay her off and save time instead of paying his attorneys twice as much and dragging it out another several months..
plus those types of cases do nobody anygood, even if he is proven right the publicity and facts about his life, her life and anyone else that gets dragged through the mud during the trial is just horrid... better to settle the case and put it to bed... not an uncommon approach by many high profile people who have dealt with these types of things.

[JJ81]

It's natural for players to hate the players who beat them. Teams hate Kobe because they wish he was on their team, whether they say so or not. No matter how much they hate him right now, if he was playing for their team they'd love it.

[OldSchoolBBall]

So you hate Kobe because he's supposedly fake? So was Jordan.

You hate Kobe because he avoided his off court dramas? So did Jordan.

You hate Kobe because of his playoff performance? Kobe played well in the series against Phoenix, are you going to hate Jordan because of his loses to the Detroit Bad Boys?

Jordan was just as fake as Kobe and to go along with it, he was an a$$hole, much more so then Kobe. I really don't understand how someone can hate Kobe, but be a fan of Jordan.

Kobe is just Jordan 10 years later, and I don't mean in skill/accomplishments, I just mean in the overall scheme of things in the NBA now.

Wow, this is completely false. :oldlol: Jordan was NEVER as phony as Kobe, nor was he a dram queen.

[zay_24]

Wow, this is completely false. :oldlol: Jordan was NEVER as phony as Kobe, nor was he a dram queen.
Nor did kobe ever punch his team mate in the face.
God, get off jordans nuts.

[2LeTTeRS]

You do know how much semen samples they found in ONE pair Kate Fabers panites don't you?
You do know they found a semen sample of the person that was susposed to be testifying for her don't you?
Give it up, me and you both know kobe didn't rape anybody.

You know its possible to rape a whore right? Based off her story she gave up the ass consensually but after Kobe asked to bust on her face she didn't want to anymore. If after she said no he kept going then its rape.

And this isn't to say I think he raped her, I think that not enough evidence came to light to prove it either way, I just can't stand when people claim a woman's sex life means its impossible that she was raped.

[zay_24]

You know its possible to rape a whore right? Based off her story she gave up the ass consensually but after Kobe asked to bust on her face she didn't want to anymore. If after she said no he kept going then its rape.

And this isn't to say I think he raped her, I think that not enough evidence came to light to prove it either way, I just can't stand when people claim a woman's sex life means its impossible that she was raped.
When you're a whore and you have semen samples of someone who is susposed to be testifying for you, the evidence kind of points against you...

[OldSchoolBBall]

Nor did kobe ever punch his team mate in the face.
God, get off jordans nuts.

Kerr admitted that he swung first. Ancd actually, Kobe has punched teammates (Samaki Walker).

[2LeTTeRS]

When you're a whore and you have semen samples of someone who is susposed to be testifying for you, the evidence kind of points against you...

The semen samples only means she had a sexual encounter around the time of her incident with Kobe. It was not revealed if they were already there before or after whatever went down with Kobe. A good lawyer would have been able to prevent the jury from hearing about her sexual past, possibly including the semen sample from the other man.

And you seem to have forgotten about the blood found on those same panties. Seeing that in this instance Bryant admitted to the girl's refusing to allow him to bust on her face and then leaving the room in a hurry after the sexual encounter than enough evidence existed to bring the case before a jury had she chose to testify. Again not passing my personal opinion of what happened, just stating what likely would have occurred had the court proceedings not been halted by the settlement.

[Kobe24]

lmao @ Loki. The sh!t Jordan said to his teammates > anything Kobe has ever done to his teammates. Do you want me to get the quote book out? Clown.

[2LeTTeRS]

But they did.. but I guess that was all Lebron. KD is at it again. :rolleyes:

So if Kobe had willed the 06 or 07 Lakers to the finals with Smush Parker and Kwame Brown and then had a bad finals series you'd be ripping him as much as you do Bron? I didn't think so. The level of his teammates do make a difference. If Bron struggles with this team in the playoffs as much as he did in the past I'll be the first to rip him on it. The question is what will you do?

Kobe24 I'm still waiting on your response.

[zay_24]

The semen samples only means she had a sexual encounter around the time of her incident with Kobe. It was not revealed if they were already there before or after whatever went down with Kobe. A good lawyer would have been able to prevent the jury from hearing about her sexual past, possibly including the semen sample from the other man.

And you seem to have forgotten about the blood found on those same panties. Seeing that in this instance Bryant admitted to the girl's refusing to allow him to bust on her face and then leaving the room in a hurry after the sexual encounter than enough evidence existed to bring the case before a jury had she chose to testify. Again not passing my personal opinion of what happened, just stating what likely would have occurred had the court proceedings not been halted by the settlement.
Blood doesn't mean rape. More like, her being on her period. Sure she had a case she could've made, but if he really raped her, I doubt she would've settled out of court for about 35% of the money she would've got, and to let someone who raped her go about his buisness.

[Kobe24]

Kobe24 I'm still waiting on your response.

You can't compare Kobe's teammates to Lebron's teammates. Lebron has legit teammates while Kobe had TERRIBLE teammates. If he played bad in a series, I would say it was PARTIALLY his fault but there's just so much you can do when your starting PG is Smush and starting C is Kwame.

[Kobe24]

LMAO @ bringing that "rape" case with that mental retard known as Katelyn Faber. What kind of rape accuser brags about another mans size? She had issues.

[2LeTTeRS]

You can't compare Kobe's teammates to Lebron's teammates. Lebron has legit teammates while Kobe had TERRIBLE teammates. If he played bad in a series, I would say it was PARTIALLY his fault but there's just so much you can do when your starting PG is Smush and starting C is Kwame.

I'm speaking about the 05-08 Cavs whose starting backcourt was primarily Eric Snow and Larry Hughes. Talent wise those teams weren't much different than those Lakers teams before last year.

[Kobe24]

I'm speaking about the 05-08 Cavs whose starting backcourt was primarily Eric Snow and Larry Hughes. Talent wise those teams weren't much different than those Lakers teams before last year.

You have to be kidding me? Gooden, Z and Gibson weren't more talented than Odom, Kwame and Smush? Seriously...

Kwame COULDN'T even catch a ball. Odom was inconsistent as hell. Smush? He gave a red carpet to EVERY PG which got so bad that Phil had to start a ROOKIE PG in the playoffs which never happened before. Kobe's "supporting" cast was one of the worst casts in the HISTORY of the league.

http://www.lakersweb.net/rosters/lalakers_2005_2006.htm

Look at that roster and tell me it's even close to the 05-08 Cavs rosters.

[monkeypox]

Why people like him: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZCefBT5Ngk

He's definitely not a relatable guy, and I think that's partially by design. I remember when he first got to the league and interviews would ask what Laker legends were helping him out, and he seemed to bristle at the concept at the idea of someone else taking credit for the work that he does. He's just a basketball nerd that doesn't really care for much else.


You know its possible to rape a whore right? Based off her story she gave up the ass consensually but after Kobe asked to bust on her face she didn't want to anymore. If after she said no he kept going then its rape.

And this isn't to say I think he raped her, I think that not enough evidence came to light to prove it either way, I just can't stand when people claim a woman's sex life means its impossible that she was raped.

I agree, but in this case the victims own first account didn't constitute rape. Having buyers remorse after star ****ing isn't rape. Not being treated well during sex, then being told to take off, isn't rape. Had Kobe not been a jerk, then blocked the door and asked her to calm down he probably wouldn't have gotten in trouble. Actually if he just had a normal personality he probably wouldn't have gotten in trouble.

[Mikaiel]

Fact : When LeBron got to the Finals, he was still younger than :

- 43.3% of the players who got drafted in the 1st round of that year's draft
- 73.3% of the players who got drafted in the 2nd round of that year's draft
- 72% of all the rookies (I didn't calculate that stat but it was shown on ESPN, so I don't know if it's exact or not, the others definitely are though)

While being on one of the most untalented teams to make it to the Finals.

And yet Kobe fans are talking sh*t :oldlol:

[2LeTTeRS]

You have to be kidding me? Gooden, Z and Gibson weren't more talented than Odom, Kwame and Smush? Seriously...

Kwame COULDN'T even catch a ball. Odom was inconsistent as hell. Smush? He gave a red carpet to EVERY PG which got so bad that Phil had to start a ROOKIE PG in the playoffs which never happened before. Kobe's "supporting" cast was one of the worst casts in the HISTORY of the league.

http://www.lakersweb.net/rosters/lalakers_2005_2006.htm

Look at that roster and tell me it's even close to the 05-08 Cavs rosters.

2005-06 Cavs
http://databasebasketball.com/teams/teamyear.htm?tm=CLE&lg=N&yr=2005

Eric Snow/Damon Jones
Larry Hughes/Flip Murray*
LeBron/Luke Jackson
Drew Gooden/Donyell marshall
Z/Anderson Varajeo

2006-07 Cavs
http://databasebasketball.com/teams/teamyear.htm?tm=CLE&lg=N&yr=2006

Eric Snow/Damon Jones/Daniel Gibson
Larry Hughes/Sasha Pavlovic
LeBron/Ira Newble
Drew Gooden/Donyell Marshall
Z/Anderson Varajeo

2007-08 (post mid-season trade) Cavs
http://databasebasketball.com/teams/teamyear.htm?tm=CLE&lg=N&yr=2007

Delonte West*/Daniel Gibson/Damon Jones
Devin Brown/Sasha Pavlovic
LeBron/Wally Szczerbiak*
Ben Wallace*/Joe Smith*
Z/Anderson Varajeo

*=Mid-season acquisition

None of these teams are any more talented than the Lakers teams that Kobe had. The only things these teams excelled at were rebounding and defense. They had no 2nd option (while the Lakers had Odom), had a young coach just learning the ropes (instead of Phil Jackson), and besides last year had no point guard (just like the Lakers). I'm not seeing the difference.

[andgar923]

I hate Kobe's selfishness
I hate his immaturity
I hate that he feels privileged/entitled
I hate that he's a *****
I hate that he's very fake
I hate that he tries to hard

The rape accusation doesn't affect me whatsoever.

The Lakers breaking up is multi faceted and many people can get blamed, but I do believe that Kobe is the biggest culprit.

He being a bad teammate wouldn't bother me. But he throws his teammates under the bus way to often, he puts the blame on others and makes a bunch of excuses, not only for his failures but for future possible failures.

As far as his fans are concerned.....

I try to separate them from him, but somehow I think they're an extension of him. It may be a wrong assumption, but oh well.

But anyway.... there are no words that can explain how I HATE his "stans" (fans are different than stans).

I don't hate Kobe the "person" as much as I hate the player. There are traits of Kobe the "person" that I dislike, and while he might be a good guy, he's what we call a *****. You can be cool with him, but you can't really trust him.

I think he brings alot of this hate onto himself.

And for those that say.... "Well Mj was like this... or like that"

MJ EARNED the right to have the double standards bestowed upon him.... PERIOD!

[puppychili]

I don't think Kobe raped that girl. I think he got more freaky and rough than she wanted then blew her off after she was done.

Kobe was guilty of bad judgement and having an overinflated opinion of himself. Kind of like he does on the basketball court.

But all jokes aside, anyone who calls Kobe a rapisst is an idiot.

edit - Cant believe that r-a-p-i-s-t gets starred out like other curse words on here.

[andgar923]

A perfect example of Kobe's sense of entitlement is......

During his first all star game, when he waived the Karl Malone screen off.

That play alone is Kobe in a nutshell.

[RoseCity07]

and this:

http://a323.yahoofs.com/ymg/ept_sports_nba_experts__21/ept_sports_nba_experts-771982461-1237514784.jpg?ymg4I.ADttwv.Tpl

So true:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

All those Laker trolls are on here too.

[LA_Showtime]

Then why pay her off? So much evidence in Kobe's defense but yet he paid her off anyway?????


I thought he said he didn't pay her off. She decided not to go through with the case and then he made a statement. I don't particularly like Kobe myself, but I have to defend him when idiots like you make up ****.

[2LeTTeRS]

I thought he said he didn't pay her off. She decided not to go through with the case and then he made a statement. I don't particularly like Kobe myself, but I have to defend him when idiots like you make up ****.

Nah he paid her. Originally he said he wouldn't do that, but he caved at the end. The amount she was given was never disclosed though.

[LA_Showtime]

Nah he paid her. Originally he said he wouldn't do that, but he caved at the end. The amount she was given was never disclosed though.

"I want to apologize to her for my behavior that night and for the consequences she has suffered in the past year," Bryant said in the three-paragraph statement. "Although this year has been incredibly difficult for me personally, I can only imagine the pain she has had to endure."

Bryant said he now understood "how she sincerely feels she did not consent to this encounter" and said he had paid the woman no money. The 26-year-old Laker star, however, indicated that her civil lawsuit would proceed and said it would "be decided by and between the parties involved."

http://articles.latimes.com/2004/sep/02/local/me-bryant2

There ya go.

[Stringer Bell]

I don't think Kobe raped that girl. I think he got more freaky and rough than she wanted then blew her off after she was done.

Kobe was guilty of bad judgement and having an overinflated opinion of himself. Kind of like he does on the basketball court.

But all jokes aside, anyone who calls Kobe a rapisst is an idiot.

edit - Cant believe that r-a-p-i-s-t gets starred out like other curse words on here.

My guess is that she willingly gave it up, but then she started getting mad when he was getting too rough and wanted to bust on her face, and told him to stop. He claims he stopped right away when she told him to stop, but I think he kept banging her. The question is for how long. A long time, or just a few seconds?

He didn't even know about pre-ejaculatory semen. :oldlol:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0924041kobea14.html

[puppychili]

Sounds like he paid her to dismiss the civil suit.

[Stringer Bell]

Kobe and the accuser eventually settled out of court.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/nba/2005-03-02-bryant-settles_x.htm

[LA_Showtime]

Maybe that's why Bynum got injured two years in a row. He's the key to the Lakers' championship hopes and he can't be healthy because Kobe has been cursed for the remainder of his career...:eek:

[5150]

My guess is that she willingly gave it up, but then she started getting mad when he was getting too rough and wanted to bust on her face, and told him to stop. He claims he stopped right away when she told him to stop, but I think he kept banging her. The question is for how long. A long time, or just a few seconds?

He didn't even know about pre-ejaculatory semen. :oldlol:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0924041kobea14.html

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Stringer Bell]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

He told the cops, "well, that's my thing".
:roll:

[Godfather]

http://a323.yahoofs.com/ymg/ept_sports_nba_experts__21/ept_sports_nba_experts-771982461-1237514784.jpg?ymg4I.ADttwv.Tpl

:roll:

[amfirst]

Politically correct is different than being fake.



Nobody's hating Kobe because he lost, but how he lost. Kobe quit on the team. Find where Jordan did that.



Apples and oranges. Jordan was tough on guys he didn't think was giving their all. I didn't hear too much about in-fighting with Scottie Pippen or a power struggle with Phil Jackson. Even the tension with Horace Grant stayed behind closed doors. And besides all that...he was even tougher on himself. He didn't blame guys when he himself didn't give his all. He didn't give up in big games then talk about how his teammates weren't "tough" enough. He doesn't have a trail of ex-teammates saying they left the team because of him. Phil Jackson never wrote a book saying how much of a cancer and prima-donna he was.

There's a difference in calling someone "Crumbs" or "Will Vanderbilt" and telling police that his teammate gave girls hush money.



:no:

Wizards *cough*

[Allstar24]

Are we really discussing the details of Kobe's rape case? How low can you get? This topic should be locked.

[raptorfan_dr07]

I hate that he feels privileged/entitled


I think that's one of the main things that turn people off. I know it is for me. Kobe pretty much has had everything handed to him since he came into the league. It's like that rich kid you knew back in high school who literally had everything they ever wanted, yet would always complain about how much their life sucked or how nobody understands them. He was privileged to play with one of the greatest and most dominant players of all time, winning three rings and being an annual championship contender, yet whined and complained about having to share the spotlight with Shaq or that Phil Jackson was holding him back with the triangle offense. When he finally got his wish, he whined and complained again like no superstar has ever had to carry a poor team. KG did it for years in Minnesota. T-Mac did it in Orlando. With the exception of this year, Lebron's been doing it since he came into the league. D-Wade's doing it this year. You would think the Lakers were the worst team in the league that year he demanded a trade despite the fact that they overachieved two straight years making the playoffs when most people thought they wouldn't. All that whining and complaining got him Pau Gasol gift wrapped, further adding to that spoiled little brat image.

[Godfather]

Are we really discussing the details of Kobe's rape case? How low can you get? This topic should be locked.

Not lower than Kobe Bryant apparently?

What's wrong with discussing open case files?

And on Kobe feeling entitled, even when he first came into the league he said to teams thinking drafting him "I will only play for the Lakers." (Hornets drafted him so they could get Diviac).

[HisJoeness]

That cartoon was sooooo funny and true at the same time.

[Kobe24]

2005-06 Cavs
http://databasebasketball.com/teams/teamyear.htm?tm=CLE&lg=N&yr=2005

Eric Snow/Damon Jones
Larry Hughes/Flip Murray*
LeBron/Luke Jackson
Drew Gooden/Donyell marshall
Z/Anderson Varajeo

2006-07 Cavs
http://databasebasketball.com/teams/teamyear.htm?tm=CLE&lg=N&yr=2006

Eric Snow/Damon Jones/Daniel Gibson
Larry Hughes/Sasha Pavlovic
LeBron/Ira Newble
Drew Gooden/Donyell Marshall
Z/Anderson Varajeo

2007-08 (post mid-season trade) Cavs
http://databasebasketball.com/teams/teamyear.htm?tm=CLE&lg=N&yr=2007

Delonte West*/Daniel Gibson/Damon Jones
Devin Brown/Sasha Pavlovic
LeBron/Wally Szczerbiak*
Ben Wallace*/Joe Smith*
Z/Anderson Varajeo

*=Mid-season acquisition

None of these teams are any more talented than the Lakers teams that Kobe had. The only things these teams excelled at were rebounding and defense. They had no 2nd option (while the Lakers had Odom), had a young coach just learning the ropes (instead of Phil Jackson), and besides last year had no point guard (just like the Lakers). I'm not seeing the difference.

Seriously one of the worst posts that I've ever seen. Guess what? All those players on the Cavs rosters are STILL in the league. 5 players on the Lakers 05-06 rosters aren't even on any squad. Bynum was a rookie. Didn't play. Brian Cook is still in the league getting..0 mins a game. Mihm? Got traded for a f*cking pick. Walton? Vujacic? Odom?Yet you're gonna sit here and act like the Cavs roster is equal. Seriously... you've been wrong so MANY times discussing sh!t with me that you should probably take a step back and take the L.

[BallerSkillz]

God atricle.
Agreed with alot.
But maybe too harsh dont ya think?
I dont like him but I "respect" him as a PLAYER.
And the ratio for "trolls" are higher for Kobe than lebron.
Some Kobe fans are so bad, that when Kobe has an off-night, but Gausol or Odom steps up and are the Game MVP's, they still give ALL the credit to Kobe.
Those kinds aren't even Laker fans!

Where in the world did you get that stupidity?? Prove it...find those "Laker fans" that do that. Show the posts...prove it.

[BallerSkillz]

And what I hate the most about Kobe is how he's paid off the majority of NBA coaches and NBA analysts to say that he would be their "CLOSER" if they had a choice, that he's the best player in the league, etc. Because of course they're just saying it to be "PC"!!! Of course they all know, just like most of these posters, that Kobe is "OVER-RATED." These professionals are just lying to make Kobe happy...it's a dayum conspiracy, isn't it!! I'm not a Kobe lover, but, your jealousy of him is ridiculous!! GTFOH!! :sleeping

[2LeTTeRS]

Seriously one of the worst posts that I've ever seen. Guess what? All those players on the Cavs rosters are STILL in the league. 5 players on the Lakers 05-06 rosters aren't even on any squad. Bynum was a rookie. Didn't play. Brian Cook is still in the league getting..0 mins a game. Mihm? Got traded for a f*cking pick. Walton? Vujacic? Odom?Yet you're gonna sit here and act like the Cavs roster is equal. Seriously... you've been wrong so MANY times discussing sh!t with me that you should probably take a step back and take the L.

You do realize that just because you claim I'm wrong doesn't make me wrong right? If Eric Snow, Damon Jones, Luke Jackson, and Ira Newble are still in the league, what teams they play for? And then you have Donyell Marshall and Devin Brown who get less than 15 mins a game, and Drew Gooden and Larry Hughes who both have already been traded again in the season since leaving Cleveland.

I don't even know why I'm going back and forth with a known troll. Have you found that month where Bynum put up 22 and 13 yet?

[zay_24]

You do realize that just because you claim I'm wrong doesn't make me wrong right? If Eric Snow, Damon Jones, Luke Jackson, and Ira Newble are still in the league, what teams they play for? And then you have Donyell Marshall and Devin Brown who get less than 15 mins a game, and Drew Gooden and Larry Hughes who both have already been traded again in the season since leaving Cleveland.

I don't even know why I'm going back and forth with a known troll. Have you found that month where Bynum put up 22 and 13 yet?
So a troll is someone who thinks kobe is better than lebron?

[Godfather]

So a troll is someone who thinks kobe is better than lebron?

You haven't read Kobe24's posts have you?

Once you start reading you will begin to understand.

[2LeTTeRS]

So a troll is someone who thinks kobe is better than lebron?

Once again, how old are you?

[Kobe24]

You do realize that just because you claim I'm wrong doesn't make me wrong right? If Eric Snow, Damon Jones, Luke Jackson, and Ira Newble are still in the league, what teams they play for? And then you have Donyell Marshall and Devin Brown who get less than 15 mins a game, and Drew Gooden and Larry Hughes who both have already been traded again in the season since leaving Cleveland.

I don't even know why I'm going back and forth with a known troll. Have you found that month where Bynum put up 22 and 13 yet?

I don't even know why I'm discussing someone who said Oden has a better footwork and post game than Bynum and I called you out on it and you denied it while I provided the link. Liar and a troll.

[2LeTTeRS]

I don't even know why I'm discussing someone who said Oden has a better footwork and post game than Bynum and I called you out on it and you denied it while I provided the link. Liar and a troll.

Ok lets let the board decide.....who thinks I'ma troll and who thinks Kobe24 is? Responses will be appreciated, and repped no matter who you chose.

[Godfather]

Ok lets let the board decide.....who thinks I'ma troll and who thinks Kobe24 is? Responses will be appreciated, and repped no matter who you chose.

Kobe24 is a known troll...

He has even been banned on numerous occasions.

[Kobe24]

Ok lets let the board decide.....who thinks I'ma troll and who thinks Kobe24 is? Responses will be appreciated, and repped no matter who you chose.

Board hates me. I don't really care. You're a troll. Anybody with half a brain knows you lack any real basketball intelligence. It's not your fault, you're from Carolina. Look at you saying you'll rep for responses. Ultimate troll. Jeff needs to ban you to further improve this board.

[2LeTTeRS]

Board hates me. I don't really care. You're a troll. Anybody with half a brain knows you lack any real basketball intelligence. It's not your fault, you're from Carolina. Look at you saying you'll rep for responses. Ultimate troll. Jeff needs to ban you to further improve this board.

Forget it then, you already know what the board thinks of you so you're searching for an excuse. Get the **** outta here. I'm done with you, I'm going to go enjoy the end of the Bobcats game in peace.

[Godfather]

Board hates me. I don't really care. You're a troll. Anybody with half a brain knows you lack any real basketball intelligence. It's not your fault, you're from Carolina. Look at you saying you'll rep for responses. Ultimate troll. Jeff needs to ban you to further improve this board.

Well seeing as how he has banned you several times :oldlol:

[Mikaiel]

Seriously one of the worst posts that I've ever seen. Guess what? All those players on the Cavs rosters are STILL in the league. 5 players on the Lakers 05-06 rosters aren't even on any squad. Bynum was a rookie. Didn't play. Brian Cook is still in the league getting..0 mins a game. Mihm? Got traded for a f*cking pick. Walton? Vujacic? Odom?Yet you're gonna sit here and act like the Cavs roster is equal. Seriously... you've been wrong so MANY times discussing sh!t with me that you should probably take a step back and take the L.

Ira Newble : Out of the league.

Eric Snow : Has already played his last game.

Larry Hughes : Even D'Antoni can't make him look good. Even got several DNP-CDs in Chicago.

Damon Jones : Can't even get PT on a horrible Bucks team.

Donyell Marshall : Barely gets any PT on a mediocre 76ers team.

Drew Gooden : The Cavs weren't even interested in signing him once he got bought out by the Kings.

Devin Brown : Barely plays in New Orleans, and his numbers are atrocious.

Yeah, LeBron has been playing with a f*cking All-Star team all those years :hammerhead:

And yet he still carried them to the Finals while being younger than most rookies in the league.

[Styles p]

i hate him cause hes from philly but to stuck up to like this blue collar town.

[Lone Laker]

i hate him cause hes from philly but to stuck up to like this blue collar town.
Actually, Kobe is a huge Eagles fan, and loves to talk to reporters about them.

[Styles p]

:rolleyes:

[Lone Laker]

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/sports/football/Kobe-Bryant-One-Happy-Eagles-Fan.html

[cdbleb]

no you silly aholes, people hate kobe cuz he's bigger than them, at the same time faster than them, at the same time better than them, at the same time richer than them, and he's black.

I think you nailed it! Everyone who doesnt eat Kobes baby batter pancakes must be racist. I grew up around and became friends with pretty much every race imaginable in my youth and am still friends to this day with many of them...Glad you pointed out my closet hatred for black people before I slipped and mentioned to them that I dont like Kobe, then they might have pinned me as a racist before I even knew. Actually I work with a black dude who hates Kobe...He must be an Uncle Tom right?

[plowking]

I hate Kobe's selfishness
I hate his immaturity
I hate that he feels privileged/entitled
I hate that he's a *****
I hate that he's very fake
I hate that he tries to hard

The rape accusation doesn't affect me whatsoever.

The Lakers breaking up is multi faceted and many people can get blamed, but I do believe that Kobe is the biggest culprit.

He being a bad teammate wouldn't bother me. But he throws his teammates under the bus way to often, he puts the blame on others and makes a bunch of excuses, not only for his failures but for future possible failures.

As far as his fans are concerned.....

I try to separate them from him, but somehow I think they're an extension of him. It may be a wrong assumption, but oh well.

But anyway.... there are no words that can explain how I HATE his "stans" (fans are different than stans).

I don't hate Kobe the "person" as much as I hate the player. There are traits of Kobe the "person" that I dislike, and while he might be a good guy, he's what we call a *****. You can be cool with him, but you can't really trust him.

I think he brings alot of this hate onto himself.

And for those that say.... "Well Mj was like this... or like that"

MJ EARNED the right to have the double standards bestowed upon him.... PERIOD!

Jordan was selfish like Kobe early in his career. Both players grew out of it.

Immaturity? Jordan asked for his stats at the end of quarters in the first part of his career.

Privleged/entitled? Jordan waved off as many screens as Kobe did. He tried to be a one man show.

Hate that he's fake? Can someone explain to me how Jordan is not fake compared to Kobe? What did he do in particular that made him less fake?

He tries to hard? All I can say is :rolleyes:



I don't hate Jordan, or like Kobe better then Jordan, but I don't get how you can apply one logic to Kobe but not Jordan.

[plowking]

Ira Newble : Out of the league.

Eric Snow : Has already played his last game.

Larry Hughes : Even D'Antoni can't make him look good. Even got several DNP-CDs in Chicago.

Damon Jones : Can't even get PT on a horrible Bucks team.

Donyell Marshall : Barely gets any PT on a mediocre 76ers team.

Drew Gooden : The Cavs weren't even interested in signing him once he got bought out by the Kings.

Devin Brown : Barely plays in New Orleans, and his numbers are atrocious.

Yeah, LeBron has been playing with a f*cking All-Star team all those years :hammerhead:

And yet he still carried them to the Finals while being younger than most rookies in the league.

He didn't carry anything. It was a team effort.

He had the best rebounding team in the league. He had Big Z drawing out players from the paint and opening it up. He also had good spot up shooters.

You're just another Lebron fan who claims to be a Cavs supporter. Whenever I am reading the game threads its always this supporting cast player made a mistake, etc. Though when Bron makes a mistake, its "the Cavs were bad on that play".

Hughes averaged 15, 4 and 4. Since when is that horrible?
Gooden averaged 11 and 9. That's better then a guy like Haslem.
Pavlovic shot 41% from downtown and averaged 9 ppg. That is a top shooter in the league.
Andy is one of the best defensive fowards out there.
Damon Jones was still able to shoot 39% from 3 point land despite being horrible according to you.

[andgar923]

Jordan was selfish like Kobe early in his career. Both players grew out of it.

Please explain how MJ was as selfish as Kobe? Please compare and contrast?

Immaturity? Jordan asked for his stats at the end of quarters in the first part of his career.

How is that "immature?"

Privleged/entitled? Jordan waved off as many screens as Kobe did. He tried to be a one man show.

Funny.... I've seen many Mj games and I don't believe I've seen him wave off a screen let alone one as a 2nd year player, let alone one from one of the greatest power forwards of all time.

Hate that he's fake? Can someone explain to me how Jordan is not fake compared to Kobe? What did he do in particular that made him less fake?

LOOOLLL you can't be serious. I know MJ had a public persona that was different than his private life, but that's not what I mean. I also understand that they have to say the right things for the sake of the league, team and sponsors. But do you remember the Shaq feud? the Phil feud? him throwing his teammates under the bus?

He tries to hard? All I can say is :rolleyes:

What's so hard to understand? He tries to hard, its that simple. He forces shots, he tries hard to fit in, tries hard to do the spectacular.



I don't hate Jordan, or like Kobe better then Jordan, but I don't get how you can apply one logic to Kobe but not Jordan.

And like I mentioned.... MJ gets a pass because well.........

HE'S EARNED IT!!!!

Its like if Ariza shows up late for practice, he'll get fined but Kobe won't.

Why? because Kobe has earned that right.

If Sasha takes a bad shot he gets benched, but Kobe can take that same shot 3 times in a row and won't.

Why? because Kobe has earned that right.

There are double standards and those double standards exist for a reason.

And MJ has earned the right to have double standards, its that simple.

[2LeTTeRS]

He didn't carry anything. It was a team effort.

He had the best rebounding team in the league. He had Big Z drawing out players from the paint and opening it up. He also had good spot up shooters.

He didn't carry them? Seriously? Wow man that Cavs team was the least talented bunch to make the Finals since the AI-led Sixers. I'll take the cast Wade his this year over any one that LeBron has had before this year.


You're just another Lebron fan who claims to be a Cavs supporter. Whenever I am reading the game threads its always this supporting cast player made a mistake, etc. Though when Bron makes a mistake, its "the Cavs were bad on that play".

I haven't seen anybody consistenly speak poorly of Mo Williams, Z or Delonte, and Bron is regularly criticized for settling for jumpers or not posting up smaller defenders. When I see you in game threads all I ever see you do is ***** about foul calls just like Kobe24.


Hughes averaged 15, 4 and 4. Since when is that horrible?
Hughes averaged 15 points shooting 40% from the field. Do you really want to argue that thats decent for a 2nd option who got as many open shots as he did?


Gooden averaged 11 and 9. That's better then a guy like Haslem.
Gooden is not better than Haslem. He's talented but he's a knucklehead who makes more mental mistakes than any player in the league. Why do you think he is now on his 6th team in 7 seasons?


Pavlovic shot 41% from downtown and averaged 9 ppg. That is a top shooter in the league.
Pavlovic is a 1 dimensional player who does nothing well but shoot and can't even create his own shot, as well as being streaky as hell. He is nowhere near a top shooter in the leauge


Andy is one of the best defensive fowards out there.
Yes, but what else does he bring to the court?


Damon Jones was still able to shoot 39% from 3 point land despite being horrible according to you.
See Pavlovic

[Mikaiel]

He didn't carry anything. It was a team effort.

Yeah of course, but who was the best player on that squad ? LeBron. Was it close ? No.



Hughes averaged 15, 4 and 4. Since when is that horrible?

You forgot to mention his horrible FG%, his stupid shot selection and his inability to stay healthy. His stupid contract also made things a lot worse.


Gooden averaged 11 and 9. That's better then a guy like Haslem.

Gooden is one of the stupidest players in the league. I'd take Haslem over Gooden any day of the week. At least Haslem can be on the floor during crunch time, you know he's reliable and he's not gonna f*ck things up. You can't say the same about Gooden.


Pavlovic shot 41% from downtown and averaged 9 ppg. That is a top shooter in the league.

And his defense was good, sometimes great too. But he shouldn't be the starting SG for a Finals team. Just look at the other SGs who went to the Finals the last few years : Kobe, Ray Allen, Pavlovic, Ginobili, Wade, Stackhouse, Rip Hamilton. Please don't tell me Pavlovic is on the same level as those guys ... He can't even create his own shot (well he can, but he's such a horrible finisher it's really not a good idea). He's a great guy to have off the bench. But he's no starter material, especially on a team with big goals.


Andy is one of the best defensive fowards out there.

True


Damon Jones was still able to shoot 39% from 3 point land despite being horrible according to you.

That's basically all he did. He just stood behind the 3 point line waiting for a pass because that's all he's capable of. He can't create for himself or for his teammates. He got abused on D on a regular basis. If it wasn't for his shooting ability he would have never made the league. And now less than 2 years later he can't get PT on a mediocre Bucks team.

And I'm not always on LeBron's nuts, sorry. When he does something stupid I say it. I've already complained about his sometimes stupid shot selection or his lack of agressiveness.

[godofgods]

http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/extras/green_room/2008/06/i_hate_kobe_so.html

This is the greatest basketball article ever written. The guy should win a Nobel prize.

[gpfanz]

This is the greatest basketball article ever written. The guy should win a Nobel prize.

agree

[Diesel J]

My guess is that she willingly gave it up, but then she started getting mad when he was getting too rough and wanted to bust on her face, and told him to stop. He claims he stopped right away when she told him to stop, but I think he kept banging her. The question is for how long. A long time, or just a few seconds?

He didn't even know about pre-ejaculatory semen. :oldlol:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0924041kobea14.html

http://i.cdn.turner.com/trutv/thesmokinggun.com/graphics/art3/0924041kobea14.gif

:roll: :roll:

[LA_Showtime]

Did he mean are you kidding me like are you seriously asking me this question, do you think I'm stupid... or did he mean are you kidding me i didn't know..

[Diesel J]

Did he mean are you kidding me like are you seriously asking me this question, do you think I'm stupid... or did he mean are you kidding me i didn't know..


The latter:lol

I never read/payed attention to any of the stuff in that case but after reading some of that transcript, it makes it even easier to hate on KObe:oldlol:

LOl @ line 692

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/9123/0924041kobeb377441da.png (http://img21.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0924041kobeb377441da.png)

[LA_Showtime]

The latter:lol

I never read/payed attention to any of the stuff in that case but after reading some of that transcript, it makes it even easier to hate on KObe:oldlol:

LOl @ line 692

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/9123/0924041kobeb377441da.png (http://img21.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0924041kobeb377441da.png)

I don't know why that makes you dislike Kobe even more. Any professional athlete, especially one who was as popular as Kobe would want it to remain on the downlow. Especially if it was false accusations (which we have to assume, since he was not guilty). I don't know Kobe the person, so I try not to judge whether or not I like him based on his personality. All I know is he works very hard to be the best basketball player he can be and he's sacraficed a lot for the Lakers. He has a lot of flaws, but overall I appreciate what he's brought since coming to the Lakers.

[Laker4Lyfe]

Who cares why haters hate????

As Katt Williams said "we need haters, keep hatin haters"

How is a article GREAT because it explains what a "HATER" thinks???? :confusedshrug:

Haters hate because it's their job. No matter what the excuse for hating is, the bottom line is the person is still a HATER...

And sorry I don't have a lot of respect for, or for that matter care what ANY hater thinks.

Regardless of what they are hating on...

[Laker4Lyfe]

http://i.cdn.turner.com/trutv/thesmokinggun.com/graphics/art3/0924041kobea14.gif

:roll: :roll:

Dude step away from your computer and go out into the real world for awhile.

Seriously, if #1 you have this saved to your computer you need a life, and #2 if you took the time to look this up to post you REALLY need to get a life.

Try talking to some females/males whatever floats your boat, but please GET A LIFE.

[oh the horror]

As a Lakers fan, there are times when Ive disliked, and still to this day, believe he has a bad attitude about a lot of things in general. I think his maturity level is questionable, and I believe its how he has been raised. Silver spoon up his rear for most of his life...etc etc...whatever.


He has a crummy attitude, and thats it.


Do I hate him because of that? I dont know the man personally, so no. I enjoy watching him play ball. That is the jist of my feelings on Kobe. I dig watching the man play, and hes very good at his job.


Some of you need to look in the mirror and question how you could hate someone, that has no weight in your life, with so much enthusiasm.

Some of you bring up all of these silly reasons, and what not...and you get outrageous with your hatred at times. Honestly, you need therapy, or something, because deep down, do you not enjoy watching Kobe play ball?


Thats all these men are....athletes here to entertain us, with the game of basketball. Period.


So, relax, and just stop caring so much about their personality traits, and quirks. Who cares?

[thatoneblackguy]

Thats all these men are....athletes here to entertain us, with the game of basketball. Period.

So, relax, and just stop caring so much about their personality traits, and quirks. Who cares?

:applause:

Agreed. Are some of the people here grown men crying about a basketball player? If so, wow.

[RainierBeachPoet]

this is my fav quote from the article:


What about what happened in Colorado? Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot we no longer are allowed to speak about that. That's tucked under the rug.

Was Bryant remorseful? Sure, don't you remember he bought his wife a trillion dollar diamond ring and dragged her to the press conference?


This guy makes Bill Clinton look like Ward Cleaver in the husband department. Yet, when he was coming back from the trial to play in the games that night, announcers and members of the media acted like he was a hero! That's unforgivable. Why does nobody talk about this? Never mind. You don't have to answer that one, it probably won't make it past my editor.



people have short memories and

dont like to talk about rape; this is the main reason why i hate kobe

[zabuza666]

Dude step away from your computer and go out into the real world for awhile.

Seriously, if #1 you have this saved to your computer you need a life, and #2 if you took the time to look this up to post you REALLY need to get a life.

Try talking to some females/males whatever floats your boat, but please GET A LIFE.

You are aware someone else posted the link. Think before you open your mouth moron.

[Laker4Lyfe]

You are aware someone else posted the link. Think before you open your mouth moron.
Actually no I didn't know that. Assuming you are asking a question, since there is no question mark. I dont have time to read 10 pages of bs.

So maybe you should think of that before you call someone names next time?

[oh the horror]

Nope, no one has a short memory.

He was not convicted of rape. Didnt she take the money, and basically dropped it?


We all went ON with our lives.


I looooooooooove how people consider this man a ******, even though he was not convicted of this crime in a court of law.


Gotta love humanity, you're basically guilty, until proven innocent.


Again, who cares how HE, and HIS WIFE handle their own business? She took him back, and thats that.


The fact that some of you bring up sh*t like that, is amazing.

[gts]

people have short memories and

dont like to talk about rape; this is the main reason why i hate kobereason or excuse?

[RainierBeachPoet]

reason or excuse?

yes

[plowking]

yes

He didn't rape her.

Your point is invalid.

[Basketball Fan]

Nope, no one has a short memory.

He was not convicted of rape. Didnt she take the money, and basically dropped it?


We all went ON with our lives.


I looooooooooove how people consider this man a ******, even though he was not convicted of this crime in a court of law.


Gotta love humanity, you're basically guilty, until proven innocent.


Again, who cares how HE, and HIS WIFE handle their own business? She took him back, and thats that.


The fact that some of you bring up sh*t like that, is amazing.



I agree but people are going to think whatever they want and nobody can change that. I personally don't believe he raped her he just had incredibly bad judgment that night(to put it mildly).

[chains5000]

and this:

http://a323.yahoofs.com/ymg/ept_sports_nba_experts__21/ept_sports_nba_experts-771982461-1237514784.jpg?ymg4I.ADttwv.Tpl
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[RainierBeachPoet]

He didn't rape her.

Your point is invalid.

and OJ didnt do it either-- yeah, i know:rolleyes:

[Diesel J]

Dude step away from your computer and go out into the real world for awhile.

Seriously, if #1 you have this saved to your computer you need a life, and #2 if you took the time to look this up to post you REALLY need to get a life.

Try talking to some females/males whatever floats your boat, but please GET A LIFE.


LOL @ this Kobe stan coming to the defense of his idol. For one, I didn't save or look anything up, dude a few pages back posted the link to that. That was my first time even seeing/reading that.

[Laker4Lyfe]

LOL @ this Kobe stan coming to the defense of his idol. For one, I didn't save or look anything up, dude a few pages back posted the link to that. That was my first time even seeing/reading that.
First off I am a LAKERS fan, not a "anybody stan" and I'm not coming to the defense of anyone. Where did I defend Kobe or anyone else for that matter???

Find a thread with a post of me praising Kobe, I DARE YOU.

This thread is praising and trying to justify as well as give validity to a "hater" and I think that's dumb plain and simple.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7z_ztMxBgk&feature=PlayList&p=2BDFF2695F3E22F8&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=25

I'm sure it's a hard concept for you to understand, but some people like basketball and cheer for their TEAM not individuals on the team.

And someone already pointed out that someone other than you posted the link, and I acknowledged that I didn't see it so........ whatever. :confusedshrug:

And by the way that should say "her" not "his".

[Diesel J]

:confusedshrug:

And by the way that should say "her" not "his".

You're a female? As a chick, you like that Kobe said its his "thing" to blow loads on chicks faces?:oldlol:

[jrong]

This article actually makes me feel more symathetic to Kobe. Not because of anything in it, but because writers hate him to such an irrational level that they feel compelled to compose essays about it and have them published in major newspapers.

[halfbets]

Found this really interesting site that talks about this topic..

www.halfbets.com (http://www.halfbets.com)

:hammertime:

[Diesel J]

Laker4Lyfe, you never answered my question:lol

[oh the horror]

This article actually makes me feel more symathetic to Kobe. Not because of anything in it, but because writers hate him to such an irrational level that they feel compelled to compose essays about it and have them published in major newspapers.


Not only that, but often, more than a few times the articles generally get personal, and become venom filled hate talk. Its just ugly.


Ive noted when someone cant win an actual argument, based off flat out hatred, and such, they spew things that happened awhile ago, or revert back to kobe being "a rapi*t"


I mean really, is that where it goes?

[Laker4Lyfe]

You're a female? As a chick, you like that Kobe said its his "thing" to blow loads on chicks faces?:oldlol:

Why in the hell should I care??? It's no worse than the stupid crap you guys post here on a daily basis.

If I got offended or cared about guys saying ignorant crap I would NEVER come to ISH.

[Manute for Ever!]

Found this really interesting site that talks about this topic..

www.halfbets.com (http://www.halfbets.com)

:hammertime:

**** off and reported.

[Diesel J]

Why in the hell should I care??? It's no worse than the stupid crap you guys post here on a daily basis.

If I got offended or cared about guys saying ignorant crap I would NEVER come to ISH.

As a female, how can your root for a guy like Kobe who has no respect for females?:oldlol:

[Jasper]

There is nothing to speculate about why people dislike Kobe Bryant :

Here are the reasons and it's quite simple :

1) Kobe's personality (lack of charactor and basically sticks to himself)
2) His immulation at an early age of MJ
3) His comparison of MJ
4) His national news coverage of charges of raping a Girl
5) Paying off the woman - legally
6) Boyish acts between him and Shaq & Jackson
7) Jackson's (million dollar money maker) writes book and calls out Kobe.
8) Sports critic's dis Kobe after Shaq goes to Heat and talks about Kobe's ball hogging.

++ Many fans that look at this sport passively or are serious fans admired MJ as the GOAT and for someone to try to act like him was in many peoples minds distasteful. Then these same average fans or non-fans heard of rape charges pressed against not just an NBA player , but supposedly the best player - once again strike 2 occurred.
And then after a 3 peat team breaks up , and boyish rants occurred within the team , people start looking at charactor flaws - see above comments.
And finally the most acclaimed NBA coach writes about a book and diss's the same player - people wonder why people would dislike or hate a particular player ?

As for my self , I've been around long enough , if comments are made , why were these comments made I have to ask my self.

As a NBA fan I watch and am entertained by watching the game and that is it. I have favorite players as well as favorite teams , and I still back my Bucks team after all the losing seasons.
Stay a fan - watch the games and the great plays : thats what it's all about for me. (sorry for the long dialog)

[branslowski]

This is why I hate Kobe:

Kobe Bryant by the numbers
81pts in a game
62pts in three quarters
42pts in 1st half
55pts in 2nd half
30pts in one quarter
12 threes in one game
9 threes without a miss in a game
8 threes in one half
9 straight games with 40pts+
4 straight games with 50pts+
27 games with 40pts+ in a season
10 games with 50pts+ in a season
24 career 50pt Games
4th player ever with a 35pt+ season average
5th player ever with a 2800pt+ season
1st player ever to outscore a team through 3 quarters
1st player ever with a 2800pt 180 three season

50pt Games....

Kobe-51pts 8ast 7reb vd GSW 99-00
Kobe-56pts 5ast 4reb vs Mem 00-01
Kobe-51pts 2ast 2reb vs Den 02-03
Kobe-52pts 7ast 8reb vs Hou 02-03
Kobe-55pts 3ast 5reb vs Was 02-03
Kobe-62pts 0ast 8reb vs Dal 05-06
Kobe-50pts 8ast 8reb vs Lac 05-06
Kobe-51pts 4ast 9reb vs Sac 05-06
Kobe-81pts 2ast 5reb vs Tor 05-06
Kobe-51pts 3ast 5reb vs Pho 05-06
Kobe-50pts 1ast 6reb vs Por 05-06
Kobe-50pts 5ast 8reb vs Pho 05-06
Kobe-52pts 4ast 4reb vs UTA 06-07
Kobe-53pts 8ast 10reb vs Hou 06-07
Kobe-58pts 4ast 5reb vs Cha 06-07
Kobe-65pts 3ast 7reb vs Por 06-07
Kobe-50pts 6ast 5reb vs Min 06-07
Kobe-60pts 5ast 3reb vs Mem 06-07
Kobe-50pts 7ast 6reb vs NO 06-07
Kobe-53pts 2ast 2reb vs Hou 06-07
Kobe-50pts ast 9reb vs Lac 06-07
Kobe-50pts 3ast 8reb vs Sea 06-07
Kobe-52pts 4ast 11reb vs Dal 07-08
Kobe-53pts ast 7reb vs Mem 07-08
Kobe-61pts 3ast 0reb vs Nyk 08-09

Kobe 2008 MVP!!
Kobe 11-time All-Star(3 MVP's)
Kobe 10-time all nba team
Kobe 8-time all defensive team(5 first teams)
Kobe 3time NBA Champion!
HALL OF FAME!

Thats allaround, the ability to drop 40 on u and then shut you down!

Big question i have: Why is it that, its horrible defense when Kobe destroys teams, but a great performance when someone else destroys teams?


List of Kobe's notable game-winners:

1) 05/10/00 - Lakers 97 - Phoenix 96 (playoffs)
(2) 06/14/00 - Lakers 120 - Pacers 118 (playoffs)
(3) 11/16/00 - Lakers 112 - Kings 110
(4) 02/07/01 - Lakers 85 - Phoenix 83
(5) 02/13/01 - Lakers 113 - Nets 110
(6) 01/02/02 - Lakers 87 - Nuggets 86
(7) 02/22/02 - Lakers 96 - Hornets 94
(8) 05/12/02 - Lakers 87 - Spurs 85 (playoffs)
(9) 12/06/02 - Lakers 105 - Dallas 103
(10) 04/04/03 - Lakers 102 - Grizzlies 101
(11) 04/06/03 - Lakers 115 - Suns 113
(12) 12/19/03 - Lakers 101 - Nuggets 99
(13) 02/17/04 - Lakers 89 - Blazers 86
(14) 03/21/04 - Lakers 104 - Bucks 103
(15) 04/14/04 - Lakers 105 - Blazers 104
(16) 03/12/05 - Lakers 117 - Bobcats 116
(17) 11/02/05 - Lakers 99 - Nuggets 97
(18) 01/07/06 - Lakers 112 - Clippers 109
(19) 01/13/06 - Lakers 99 - Cavaliers 98
(20) 04/30/06 - Lakers 99 - Suns 98 (playoffs)
(21) 11/23/07 - Lakers 89 - Pacers 88
(22) 01/14/08 - Lakers 123 - Seattle 121
(23) 01/09/09 - Lakers 121- Pacers 119

Thats right, again...Ima keep it going....

Kobe-"Hate It....Suck It....:eek:

[Hoopz2332]

http://i.cdn.turner.com/trutv/thesmokinggun.com/graphics/art3/0924041kobea14.gif

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kobe system:bowdown: :oldlol:

[ArbitraryWater]

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