"American Muscle" or "Italian Exotic"...what is "cooler"?

[-primetime-]

http://www.xtremerestorations.com/images/index_cuda.jpg

http://www.auto-power-girl.com/high-resolution-wallpapers/novitec-ferrari-599-gtb-fiorano/novitec-rosso-ferrari-599-gtb-fiorano-2008-1.jpg


not sure how many car enthusiasts we have here...but what do you think is cooler?

the American Muscle car (who's prices have sky rocketed the past 5 or so years)

or the Italian Exotic car (who's prices have always been outragous)

???


picks are welcome!!!

[canadianballer]

u kidden me ? id take the second one all day looks ill

[hito da god]

american muscle looks a lot more bad ass... and manlier.

italian exotic looks like some soft euro style car in comparison. but i'd still f*ck with it.

[-primetime-]

u kidden me ? id take the second one all day looks ill
do you know anything about cars?

:oldlol:

those old American muscle cars that have been properly redone are worth a fortune...


that Ferrari is like $500k+ though...so IDK if they get that high...

but still...they are seperate styles that attract different people...

[canadianballer]

i know they are expensive as hell but im jus sayin i think id rather cruise in a ferrari or lambo if i had a choice

[G-train]

muscle



xx

[i seen hippos]

Love slightly older ferraris.

http://www.adrianblog.com/wp-content/uploads/ferrari_288_gto_side.jpg

http://www.dennigcars.org/models/pictures/ferrari_512_tr.jpg

Muscle cars done right are epic though. All black. Get some engravings on the sides. Wicked rims. The hot you more than a Ferrari or Lambo because they're even rarer (them done well I mean).

[StroShow4]

american muscle looks a lot more bad ass...

this is true, but there are some awesome looking european sports cars. tough to say which one i like better, it's probably one of those questions which i could answer either way depending on my mood at the moment.

[-primetime-]

http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-1970-1979/1971-Dodge-Challenger-RT-Muscle-Car-By-Modern-Muscle-Side-Angle-1024x768.jpg

or

http://houseofbiggs.com/images/LamboA.jpg

[pete's montreux]

I honestly can't pick between the two. American muscle is the mean, loud, powerful, torque filled straight line beast, while the exotic is exactly that, exotic. Sleek, beautiful, top end speed and just silly around the corners.

Dream car? Ferrari F50. Greatest car ever built, IMO.

I'll copy and paste a post I made about it in RidonKs' free thread from a few days ago.


The Ferrari F50 is the most beautiful vehicle ever built. Is is the magnum opus of modern vehicle.

http://www.ssip.net/upload/ferrari-f50-side-3_65.jpg

The only gripe for me are the holes on the hood. They may appear ugly at first, but nope, they're used to house two fans that cool the engine and provide downforce by sucking the front of the car towards the ground.

http://www.ssip.net/upload/ferrari-f50-back-2_65.jpg

Sure, their are faster, more powerful cars out there, but do they have the right combination? This Ferrari has the looks, the speed, the power, the handling, and especially the prestige. When you think of Ferrari you think of beautiful, fast Italian cars. P*ssy magnets.

This car ain't it.

It's modeled after the late 80's, early 90's Ferrari F1 championship winning car. It's not meant to be the car you take to the club and snort rails off some Asian chicks t*ts in, It's meant to be raced. The exhaust sound is brutal, almost deafening, exactly like an F1 racer. The engine is an almost exact replica of the F1 with a 500+ HP 4.7L V12, bolted directly to the bulk-head, becoming an integral part of the chassis. The body is made completely out of carbon fiber, so light you can pick it up with one hand, yet ten times stronger than steel. The handling is out of this world, miliseconds of reaction time due to the complete lack of rubber suspension components. It's flatter than paper around the corner with virtually undetectable variances in body roll. The throttle reaction time is non-existant. The second you put your foot down, the engine explodes forward like a jet fighter. The engine is so powerful, letting go of the throttle above 5K RPM's and it results in negative g-forces, like slamming on the brakes at 180 MPH.

Sadly, being a production car, it has to abide by state noise and emission regulations, resulting in a max of 8K RPM's, and Ferrari raised the engine to 4.7L's in a quest for more torque. If Ferrari were allowed to forget these foolish rules, this car would be able to compete in Gran Prix directly out of production.

Listen to that exhaust (http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Ferrari-F40-F50-Fly-By_170526.htm). Pure f*cking Ferrari sex. [starts @ 1:20, please watch!]

In conclusion, I would kill everyone on here to own and race this thing. I would make every other car on the road my personal b*tch.

[DaGreen]

Exotic. Old muscle doesn't appeal to me.

[i seen hippos]

http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-1970-1979/1971-Dodge-Challenger-RT-Muscle-Car-By-Modern-Muscle-Side-Angle-1024x768.jpg

or

http://houseofbiggs.com/images/LamboA.jpg

See here I'd take the Euro. The muscle is too typical. It needs more than that.

[-primetime-]

you would take the F50 the Enzo?

http://www.freewebs.com/baseball1227/ferrari_enzo.jpg

[QUIZZLE]

http://static.blogo.it/autoblog/ferrari-california/Ferrari_California_06.jpg

Go ahead and change your briefs you just creamed

[i seen hippos]

I think the Enzo throws some people off if they haven't seen one in person.

http://www.bigbaer.com/assets/ferrari-enzo.jpg

[hito da god]

http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-1970-1979/1971-Dodge-Challenger-RT-Muscle-Car-By-Modern-Muscle-Side-Angle-1024x768.jpg

or

http://houseofbiggs.com/images/LamboA.jpg
give me the muscle. that euro car looks way too gay.

[pete's montreux]

I've driven in an Enzo, and an F50. I wasn't the driver, but the passenger. The Enzo is nice and all, but the F50 is just f*cking brutal to be in. It's literally like sitting in a jet fighter. It's unreal.

F50>Enzo.

[gts]

for weekend cruises i'll take the muscle car, give me a nice 1970 boss 302 anyday

http://www.kitsapmustangclub.org/images/Boss302_Rohrbaugh.JPG

but if ya gotta scoot and you want to play nothing better than a porsche, durable and rugged, not like the nancy boy italian cars that need a $3000 tuneup everytime you decide to put the spurs to it for more than 20 minutes

http://www.automotoportal.com/media/images/vijesti/080214001.jpg

[pete's montreux]

People need to learn to resize pictures, or find smaller ones. Whole thread is ****ed up.

[i seen hippos]

Give credit to American sports cars though. This is the fastest car in the world and you'd be hard pressed to find a sports care more beautiful. All-American.

http://www.thesupercars.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/ssc_ultimate_aero_rank_1_revise.jpg

[-primetime-]

People need to learn to resize pictures, or find smaller ones. Whole thread is ****ed up.
Is that me?

my screen is fine??

tell me what pic and I will replace it...

[i seen hippos]

Ok, there is one, but it's not American or Italian.

http://www.highchic.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/koenigsegg-ccx2.jpg

I'm surprised I remember these random car companies. My car phase ended years ago.

[IlliniFan]

http://remtonmag.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/alfa-romeo-8c.jpg

Love this car.

[pete's montreux]

The black Challenger.

[gts]

hippos, koenig?

[pete's montreux]

Yeah, that's the koenigsiggsagishsissgsissag CC something

[i seen hippos]

hippos, koenig?

Yep. They got some crazy ass cars. Aren't they actually owned by Ferrari?

[-primetime-]

now you are getting into "American Exotics"

http://digilander.libero.it/Logiko2031/Saleen%20S7.jpg


I think America loses that battle...

[i seen hippos]

Again, not Italian or German, but for the price, can anything beat an NSX for a top level sports car?

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y21/danielksong/cars/1advan4.jpg

[-primetime-]

Again, not Italian or German, but for the price, can anything beat an NSX for a top level sports car?

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y21/danielksong/cars/1advan4.jpg
Ford:

http://www.sportscarcup.com/cars/ford-gt-front.jpg

[pete's montreux]

I've been in an NSX, too! Nice car. Leaves a little something to be desired, though.

[Cannonball]

I'd love to own a fully restored 69 charger... common can you imagine that motor rumbling as you drove down the road... plus you look the ultimate BAMF driving one of those.... not like a ***** rich ass in a sports car...

[pete's montreux]

I'm a big fan of Gemballa. Love what they do to Porsche's.

http://www.planetporsche.net/gallery/files/5/2/9/7/gemballa_carrera_gt_rear_side.jpg

[i seen hippos]

My dream car for a long time though was the Porsche 911 GT2, but I think the Carrera GT might have surpassed it.

No car has a cooler backside than the C12 Zagato however.

http://www.desktopcar.net/wallpaper/17273-2/Spyker_C12-Zagato_27.jpg

[gts]

Yep. They got some crazy ass cars. Aren't they actually owned by Ferrari?
i don't know who owns them now, but for the longest time they were a german tuning shop that would modify anything for anybody... porsches are where i know them from but i know they have done a pile of ferrari work as well as some BMW work, I actually met one of the mr. konig's (i think his son is involved also) in the late 80's when he was racing a bmw M1 in imsa racing

here's a real nice porsche
http://media.techeblog.com/images/porsche911gt1_1.jpg


I'd love to own a fully restored 69 charger... common can you imagine that motor rumbling as you drove down the road... plus you look the ultimate BAMF driving one of those.... not like a ***** rich ass in a sports car...
very cool car... as long as you don't paint it like the dukes of hazard...lol

[-primetime-]

I'm a big fan of Gemballa. Love what they do to Porsche's.

http://www.planetporsche.net/gallery/files/5/2/9/7/gemballa_carrera_gt_rear_side.jpg
OMG...

never seen a Porche pimped out like that...

[shawbryant]

Italian, Obviously.

[-primetime-]

this Lambo is f*ckin sick:

http://www.sportscarcup.com/cars/lamborghini-murcielago-lp640.jpg


I would love to give that a spin around the track...

[i seen hippos]

If I am getting a muscle car, it ain't gonna be a Mustang or a Caddy.

Give me a '69 Camaro Z/28

http://beckracingengines.com/performance/images/customer_rides/j_e_pro_streets_d01.jpg

http://www.classicchevy5speed.com/images/JamesBucks69Camaro.jpg

Lord.

[-primetime-]

If I am getting a muscle car, it ain't gonna be a Mustang or a Caddy.

Give me a '69 Camaro Z/28

http://beckracingengines.com/performance/images/customer_rides/j_e_pro_streets_d01.jpg
I don't like the look of the f*ckin engine poping out 10 miles in the air and getting in the way of the driver's view...

like it wasn't ment to fit in the car...

[i seen hippos]

I don't like the look of the f*ckin engine poping out 10 miles in the air and getting in the way of the driver's view...

like it wasn't ment to fit in the car...

You don't need that.:oldlol:

[-primetime-]

My dream car for a long time though was the Porsche 911 GT2, but I think the Carrera GT might have surpassed it.

No car has a cooler backside than the C12 Zagato however.

http://www.desktopcar.net/wallpaper/17273-2/Spyker_C12-Zagato_27.jpg
what the hell kind of exaust is that???

that car looks crazy...

is that some prototype that never made production?

[gts]

what the hell kind of exaust is that???

that car looks crazy...

is that some prototype that never made production?that's an LED reverse light in themiddle, the undertray you're looking at is a diffuser to help "pull the air out from under the car for high speed stabilty in the corners..
i'd hate to buy one of those tailights...lol

the exhaust exits who knows where..lol probably on top of the diffuser to make it more efficient, it's an aero thing

[i seen hippos]

what the hell kind of exaust is that???

that car looks crazy...

is that some prototype that never made production?

Nope. It's a street legal car.


http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/autoshows/geneva/2007/spykerc12zagato.spykerc12zagato1160.img.jpg

[hateraid]

As a whole:

Muscle cars attract more men

Exotic cars attract more women

Not saying there aren't chicks attracted to American muscle, but a whole chick look for the $$.

That being said my favorite car ever:



http://www.refineddetailing.com/resources/2000+Plymouth+Prowler+LARGE.jpg

I'm a married man so I couldn't care about what the women think.

[hateraid]

Nope. It's a street legal car.


http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/autoshows/geneva/2007/spykerc12zagato.spykerc12zagato1160.img.jpg


Love the Spyker. First time I saw one was in the movie War with Jet Li.

[-primetime-]

That being said my favorite car ever:



http://www.refineddetailing.com/resources/2000+Plymouth+Prowler+LARGE.jpg

I'm a married man so I couldn't care about what the women think.
:ohwell:


biggest gimmick car ever...:ohwell:

[RoseCity07]

All the people who are into american muscle are usually douches. They are smedium t shirt wearing douches who think they are so bad ass. Italian exotic is always going to be better than American Muscle.

American Muscle= flag waiving douche

[-primetime-]

All the people who are into american muscle are usually douches. They are smedium t shirt wearing douches who think they are so bad ass. Italian exotic is always going to be better than American Muscle.

American Muscle= flag waiving douche
hmmm...

did RidonKs PM you ?

[hateraid]

:ohwell:


biggest gimmick car ever...:ohwell:


Best things were started out as gimmicks. Look at Insidehoops.

What made the Prowler somewhat of a unique part of auto history is it sparked the retro movement in the car industry. All the muscle cars today are tweeking the body it's earlier editions. Prowler brought that concept to life.

[rawimpact]

American muscle because it's all about torque, and it is within budget.

[-primetime-]

Best things were started out as gimmicks. Look at Insidehoops.

What made the Prowler somewhat of a unique part of auto history is it sparked the retro movement in the car industry. All the muscle cars today are tweeking the body it's earlier editions. Prowler brought that concept to life.
true....

I don't know if you are fimiliar with the Ferrari Dino...

new "RETRO" version:

http://www.motorauthority.com/wp-content/uploads/Ferrari/ods/2007/Dino_study/ferrari_dino_render_main.jpg

original version:

http://www.automotoportal.com/media/images/vijesti/060915001.7.jpg



I guess the Prowler really did start that trend...so I will give the Prowler props for that

[rawimpact]

oh and just so we're all clear, american muscle does not include anything after 1975

[hateraid]

true....

I don't know if you are fimiliar with the Ferrari Dino...

new "RETRO" version:

http://www.motorauthority.com/wp-content/uploads/Ferrari/ods/2007/Dino_study/ferrari_dino_render_main.jpg

original version:

http://www.automotoportal.com/media/images/vijesti/060915001.7.jpg



I guess the Prowler really did start that trend...so I will give the Prowler props for that

:eek: I think you just introduced me to my new favorite car

[Showtime]

Hard to beat:

Mach 1

http://members.tripod.com/menke_36/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/69mach1.jpg

Boss 429

http://www.mustangspecs.com/boss/pics/69boss4291.jpg

Corvette

'67

http://www.aztexcorp.com/expressionengine/images/uploads/Autoimg/sbchevrolet-1967-corvette-front.jpg

'69

http://www.digitalcorvettes.com/corvette-photos/data/508/1969-corvette-1.jpg

http://www.digitalcorvettes.com/corvette-photos/data/508/1969-corvette-4.jpg

and one of my favorites:

http://www.musclegarage.com/Sold_cars/1973-Challenger-A029-(2).jpg

[rawimpact]

^ very nice, http://www.meshuggeneh.net/goat/gto20.jpg

[flipogb]

http://remtonmag.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/alfa-romeo-8c.jpg

Love this car.
nice choice, thats been my dream car since I first saw it months ago

[Showtime]

^ very nice, http://www.meshuggeneh.net/goat/gto20.jpg

I see your goat, and raise you a cuda...

http://www.moparpowerclub.com/Brian_Ks_1971_Cuda.jpg

[rawimpact]

nice, i like the cuda, but i dont understand its price tag. At least the GTO i can afford in a few years
http://worcester.craigslist.org/cto/1098989619.html

[Brunch@Five]

European cars have always been more beautiful.

Ferrari 250 GTO:

http://www.diseno-art.com/images/ferrari_250_GTO.jpg
http://www.diseno-art.com/images/ferrari_250_GTO_side.jpg

[Back In Shape]

http://www.digitalcorvettes.com/corvette-photos/data/508/1969-corvette-1.jpg

That car is just sick. :eek: I love that one that Chris Tucker drove in Rush Hour too but it was a 68-73 convertible.





http://www.refineddetailing.com/resources/2000+Plymouth+Prowler+LARGE.jpg



The Prowler is just plain hideous. :confusedshrug:

[answer323]

until italian exotics have an answer for this

http://www.diseno-art.com/images/superbird_plymouth.jpg

there is no competition

and this is pretty nice too

http://www.motorauthority.com/wp-content/uploads/odds_and_ends/2007/1/3/1966_Shelby_Cobra_supersnak_1.jpg

[Shep]

neither. jap ftw
http://i44.tinypic.com/2e2m62a.jpg

[Back In Shape]

http://www.diseno-art.com/images/superbird_plymouth.jpg



How did they get a spoiler on the giant banana?

[Back In Shape]

neither. jap ftw
http://i44.tinypic.com/2e2m62a.jpg

A guy on my street in selling a car that looks a lot like that for $1500 but I bet you can work him down a little.

[sick_brah07]

http://static.blogo.it/autoblog/ferrari-california/Ferrari_California_06.jpg

Go ahead and change your briefs you just creamed


ohh my sweet box

[pete's montreux]

Ferrari F50 and Lambo LP640 playing on the highway (http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Ferrari-F50-and-Lambo-on_644133.htm).

LP640 just can't keep up when it tries. LP640 is outclassed in every facet of the game here. Sorry Lambo, maybe never.

[LJJ]

http://www.carstyling.ru/resources/studio/69de-tomaso_mangusta_3.jpg

[-primetime-]

do any of you remember the BMW M1???

where they tried to compete with Ferrari???

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9e/BMW_M1_1.jpg/800px-BMW_M1_1.jpg

they may be trying to make a comeback with a new M1:

http://s2.desktopmachine.com/pics/BMW_M1_Concept_wow_06_1024x768.jpg

http://www.luxurylaunches.com/entry_images/0408/30/bmw_homage1.jpg

[pete's montreux]

No, but I remember the BMW 850CSi

http://www.bmwnbb.com/customer-cars/1995_BMW_850CSi_RT-FRONT_view-1-med.jpg

[-primetime-]

No, but I remember the BMW 850CSi

http://www.bmwnbb.com/customer-cars/1995_BMW_850CSi_RT-FRONT_view-1-med.jpg
yeah, I used to want one of those so bad...

the market was too small for them...

I think the Mercedes 500SL might have killed that off...

[pete's montreux]

yeah, I used to want one of those so bad...

the market was too small for them...

I think the Mercedes 500SL might have killed that off...

Funny you should say that, it was almost my first car. A guy down the street from me used to have one. He was going through a divorce and was selling it cheap, and it had low miles, less then 80,000 I believe. I had just enough, needed to wait a month to get the rest, but he ended up selling it to someone else.

Such a bad looking car.

[-primetime-]

Funny you should say that, it was almost my first car. A guy down the street from me used to have one. He was going through a divorce and was selling it cheap, and it had low miles, less then 80,000 I believe. I had just enough, needed to wait a month to get the rest, but he ended up selling it to someone else.

Such a bad looking car.
they had the 840 too...

same body style but a slighty smaller engine...

a little cheaper than the 850...

[KeylessEntry]

My favorite muscle car of all time is probably the 69 Camaro

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j97/mknape77/69_Camaro.jpg


And the Enzo is easily the hottest Italian Exotic. Pictures cant really do it justice. I saw/heard one in person when I was visiting Rome... still cant really put that experience into words but my pants got sticky.

[pete's montreux]

Am I the only one who can't stand Camaro's? They are so overdone, I can't even stand to look at them anymore.

[LJJ]

And the Enzo is easily the hottest Italian Exotic. Pictures cant really do it justice. I saw/heard one in person when I was visiting Rome... still cant really put that experience into words but my pants got sticky.

Meh.

I agree that it looks better in the sunlight than in pictures, like most cars do. But still one of the least appealing Ferrari's in terms of looks. The F50 is kind of ugly too.

But the ugliest Italian super-car ever made is without a doubt the Lamborghini Countach.