Isn't upper body strength almost useless in the NBA?

[giantgonzolez]

I mean David Robinson could probably curl and bench more than any of the top 10 centers in NBA History(have you seen how big his arms were in that Spalding commerical with NBA greats shooting freethrows?), but it's not really that useful in the NBA.
I think it's actually better to have a funny looking pear shaped bottom heavy body like Shaq for basketball.

[monkeypox]

Having good upper body strength and strong grip on the ball means you can weather more contact on the way to the hoop, so I wouldn't say that it's useless. Maybe having a strong upper body and bad hands like Kwame Brown might be useless.

[K.Koscik]

Almost useless?

I take it you don't play basketball.

Upper body strength helps for things like --

Shooting range
Not getting stripped / blocked (you can power the ball through defender)
The harder you dribble the harder it is to get picked

Defense:
Shot Blocking
Keeping people out of the post
Boxing out (you'd be suprised how many people use arms to box out)

It's not useless at all.

[Toizumi]

More shaq hating!!! joy!! you're pretty predictable giantgonzolozie...
you're threads sck.. all of them. Everyone except you thinks so... really, read the posts..
just stop it.

upper body strenght is very important, especially in the post.. and shaq had plenty of it..

http://www.lakersuniverse.com/imagenes/shaq_smile.jpg

[hito da god]

it sounds to me like you have never played basketball before :roll:

[Da KO King]

Upper-body strength helps post players hold the position in the paint and slashing guards finish at the rim after taking contact from secondary defenders.

[BlackMamba24]

:roll:

Please stop posting.

[giantgonzolez]

More shaq hating!!! joy!! you're pretty predictable giantgonzolozie...
you're threads sck.. all of them. Everyone except you thinks so... really, read the posts..
just stop it.

upper body strenght is very important, especially in the post.. and shaq had plenty of it..

http://www.lakersuniverse.com/imagenes/shaq_smile.jpg

Shaq couldn't curl half as much as Malone or Robinson though.
Shaq's arms are ALSO ALL FAT so they'd be MUCH MUCH smaller if shaq lost that extra 75lbs of fat he always carries.
Now THIS is the NBA's version of a Gun Show, SHAQ IS NOT INVITED.
They're not even flexing.
http://www.makingpages.org/hoops/maloneelbowsrobinson.jpg

[geno]

Wow it's clear the OP has never played basketball before. It's also important for rebounding, and the more upperbody(and lower) strength the easier it is for people to bounce OFF you. Also not to mention you'll be prone to injury if you have that much muscle imbalance.

[giantgonzolez]

Wow it's clear the OP has never played basketball before. It's also important for rebounding, and the more upperbody(and lower) strength the easier it is for people to bounce OFF you. Also not to mention you'll be prone to injury if you have that much muscle imbalance.

Olajuwon had below average upper body strength and look at what a horrible player he turned out to be:confusedshrug:

[dnyk1337]

Olajuwon had below average upper body strength and look at what a horrible player he turned out to be:confusedshrug:

Below average? Based on what criteria? Last time I checked, he was a beast. You need good upper body strength to motion yourself in the air... Grabbing rebounds and blocking shots isn't all lower body.

[Biddy77]

core strength generally falls under the category of "upper body strength" in conversations. that's basically where your basis for stability and balance come from.

other areas where upper body strength shows up:

--finishing at the rim. see lebron & Iggy's shooting percentages around the basket. i don't think it's coincidence that they're 2nd & 3rd in the league in shooting within 5 feet, and are both physical freaks with extremely developed upper bodies. secondary frame of reference--the many clips of chris webber and shaq finishing with guys pulling down on their arms.

--rebounding. while this involves a broad range of factors, upper body strength comes into play while pulling towards your body, or exploding upward, with your arms resisting downward drag (hooked arms, etc).

--attacking through tight defense. while legs are also important, core strength and shoulder strength are very big keys here. when guys bump you, and your guard-arm gives too much, it tends to throw off your balance, and sometimes even results in the contact coming all the way into your torso. might not sound like a big deal, but look at deron williams, lebron, dwade, chauncey, etc... when they drive and take contact, what happens? generally speaking, they are able to hold their ground and remain under control.

--passing. when you lack upper body strength, some passes simply aren't options for you. being able to put enough power behind a pass to get the ball through a passing lane (without a lot of wasted motion/time), opens up possibilities for ball delivery. guys who are strong enough to put 'zip' on passes when it looks like not much more than a flick of the arm--those guys have a lot of options.

--defense. roughly... all of it. even though you can't make contact above the foul line these days, once you are able to put an arm on someone, upper body strength becomes a huge advantage. same goes for post defense.

--cheating. excuse me. i mean "vet moves". the hook (not the shot. the torso hook on spin moves), the wing/half hook (hooking them with your elbow), the arm drag. the "heisman" on the dribble drive. the hip handcheck. so many, and most of them are epic fail without good upper body strength behind them. when you're trying to get away with s**t, you don't get to tap into your lower body strength as much for leverage. you have to rely on compact movements.


etc, etc, etc.

i used to be a personal trainer. one of the first things i would do with guys when they first started lifting for basketball was to get them doing a very simple program to give them a strength base. in addition to squats and power cleans, both of which increase lower body (and core) strength, i would have them do military press, wide-grip pullups, and yeah... even (30 degree incline) bench. after that, you move on to more specialized routines, but those always include upper body strength in addition to the core and leg work.

[BALLin01]

Shaq couldn't curl half as much as Malone or Robinson though.
Shaq's arms are ALSO ALL FAT so they'd be MUCH MUCH smaller if shaq lost that extra 75lbs of fat he always carries.
Now THIS is the NBA's version of a Gun Show, SHAQ IS NOT INVITED.
They're not even flexing.
http://www.makingpages.org/hoops/maloneelbowsrobinson.jpg

:oldlol: @shaq being fat

[giantgonzolez]

:oldlol: @shaq being fat

I found out that Shaq's lean bodyweight is 263lbs, the rest is fat.
Lack of striations, visable veins, etc in the arm are PROOF of being too fat for a pro athlete. Shaq exhibits ALL these symptoms.
David Robinson's lean bodyweight for example would be in the neighborhood of 245lbs since he had virtually no fat.
He probably has the highest bodyfat percentage of any player since Oliver Miller or Barkley.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.basketball.nba.la-lakers/browse_thread/thread/a9ad6ec20be55eb7/bdca6d40a92a00c2?q=Shaq+bodyfat+percentage

[2 Legit 2 Quit]

Lower body strength is underrated.:pimp:

[Mdog1]

No Strength is great in all sports. It gives you great advantages going to the rim, getting shots up, holding on to the ball, and most importantly it looks good. It can also give you more momentum in order to dunk.

[giantgonzolez]

Lower body strength is underrated.:pimp:

That's exactly what my post is about. David Robinson had great upperbody strength(better than Shaq), but he didn't have great lowerbody strength.
If Robinson's lowerbody was proportional to his upperbody, he'd weigh in at 300lbs. I think Robinson probably thought that bulking up his lowerbody would hurt him too much in the quickness department against guys like Olajuwon, but David Robinson @ 300lbs guarding Shaq would have been a thing to behold as those Illegal Offensive fouls by Shaq would no longer be effective at knocking Robinson off balance.

[Biddy77]

I found out that Shaq's lean bodyweight is 263lbs, the rest is fat.
Lack of striations, visable veins, etc in the arm are PROOF of being too fat for a pro athlete. Shaq exhibits ALL these symptoms.
David Robinson's lean bodyweight for example would be in the neighborhood of 245lbs since he had virtually no fat.
He probably has the highest bodyfat percentage of any player since Oliver Miller or Barkley.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.basketball.nba.la-lakers/browse_thread/thread/a9ad6ec20be55eb7/bdca6d40a92a00c2?q=Shaq+bodyfat+percentage

LOL at the guy in that thread saying karl was at 2.9% bodyfat.

ridiculous.

here's the reason why those claims are so laughable...

a lot of your internal organs are partially composed of adipose tissue. yeah. fat.

karl malone supposedly peaked at 275 pounds or so. that's huge. he's also 6'9". you know how much a 6'9" guy has inside him? that's a lot of guts.

that particular one is also laughable, because i've seen karl malone in the gym before--from about 5 feet away. my dad and i ran into him years ago when the jazz were in town to play against the blazers. he was sneaking in a weight session at the weight room in the Marriott where my dad did his lifting on lunch breaks. i had gone down there to work out with my dad, and wow... talk about a surprise.

malone is f**king huge. very small waist for his overall size. crazy how fit he is. 2.9% bodyfat, though? LOL, f**k, no.

michael phelps swims six hours a day. granted, he eats a truckload of food, but even he is only around 6%. that's about where malone was at his leanest during his playing career. at that level, your abs pop even when you aren't flexing, and you see striations/"cords of muscle" in shoulders, triceps, etc--even when you stand relaxed.

[BALLin01]

I found out that Shaq's lean bodyweight is 263lbs, the rest is fat.
Lack of striations, visable veins, etc in the arm are PROOF of being too fat for a pro athlete. Shaq exhibits ALL these symptoms.
David Robinson's lean bodyweight for example would be in the neighborhood of 245lbs since he had virtually no fat.
He probably has the highest bodyfat percentage of any player since Oliver Miller or Barkley.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.basketball.nba.la-lakers/browse_thread/thread/a9ad6ec20be55eb7/bdca6d40a92a00c2?q=Shaq+bodyfat+percentage

Have u seen shaq play in his prime? He was so strong he would just used his upper body strength and push them away

[Myth]

I agree that leg strength is more important than upper body strength, but that does not mean upper body strenght is almost useless. It still helps with battling in the post, and it can be helpful for finishing shots after being fouled (whether called or not). How many times have we seen Shaq still get shots to go in when players were hanging on his arms? That would not have happened without upper body strength.

[giantgonzolez]

Have u seen shaq play in his prime? He was so strong he would just used his upper body strength and push them away

Shaq actually uses his big butt more than his upperbody to move people. Robinson or Malone would tear Shaq's arm off in an arm wrestling contest for example.
Shaq would win a tug of war though because of extra weight because Shaq is pearshaped and bottom heavy where as Malone and Robinson have the Classic Super Hero type V shaped body.

[Toizumi]

Isn't giantgonzolez almost useless on ish?

[GiveItToBurrito]

Have u seen shaq play in his prime? He was so strong he would just used his upper body strength and push them away

Hell, even today when he's "fat", no one can keep him out of the paint. Strength isn't just having muscles; most pro wrestlers can't bench as much as football players, even though they usually look more ripped. It's not like Kevin Garnett is being outmuscled all of the time, too, even though he's pretty skinny looking.

[Bush4Ever]

Sort of off-topic, but wouldn't it be more accurate to say that quickness and hand-eye coordination are useless in the NBA?

I mean, Larry Bird wasn't quick and he was a top 5 player all-time. LOL!


LOL!



:party:

GIGGLE

[copper]

:oldlol: @shaq being fat
compared to the mailman and the admiral? he is fat...but those are 2 special breeds of animal he is being compared to.

[copper]

LOL at the guy in that thread saying karl was at 2.9% bodyfat.

ridiculous.

here's the reason why those claims are so laughable...

a lot of your internal organs are partially composed of adipose tissue. yeah. fat.

karl malone supposedly peaked at 275 pounds or so. that's huge. he's also 6'9". you know how much a 6'9" guy has inside him? that's a lot of guts.

that particular one is also laughable, because i've seen karl malone in the gym before--from about 5 feet away. my dad and i ran into him years ago when the jazz were in town to play against the blazers. he was sneaking in a weight session at the weight room in the Marriott where my dad did his lifting on lunch breaks. i had gone down there to work out with my dad, and wow... talk about a surprise.

malone is f**king huge. very small waist for his overall size. crazy how fit he is. 2.9% bodyfat, though? LOL, f**k, no.

michael phelps swims six hours a day. granted, he eats a truckload of food, but even he is only around 6%. that's about where malone was at his leanest during his playing career. at that level, your abs pop even when you aren't flexing, and you see striations/"cords of muscle" in shoulders, triceps, etc--even when you stand relaxed.


so if malone was a realistic 6%? where would that put shaq?16-20%

[giantgonzolez]

Hell, even today when he's "fat", no one can keep him out of the paint. Strength isn't just having muscles; most pro wrestlers can't bench as much as football players, even though they usually look more ripped. It's not like Kevin Garnett is being outmuscled all of the time, too, even though he's pretty skinny looking.

You're wrong, Pro Wrestler Tank Abbot benches 600, Pro Wrestler Scott Norton benched 672, Pro Wrestler Dino Bravo Benched 750, Pro Wrestler Dalip Singh does like 50 reps @ 600lbs.
Also, Kevin Garnett has "superstar rules" so people who outmuscle him even in a legal manner get a foul. On the other hand when Shaq used to elbow people in the face they'd get a defense foul for headbutting Shaq's elbow or when Shaq rammed them with his shoulder they'd get the defensive foul call.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZsx-IQrkME

[Biddy77]

so if malone was a realistic 6%? where would that put shaq?16-20%

yeah, that's about what i'd guess. probably 17 or so from what i've seen of him in his uni. 20 during his 'fat' seasons (like when riley was on his case about conditioning).

[Biddy77]

You're wrong, Pro Wrestler Tank Abbot benches 600, Pro Wrestler Scott Norton benched 672, Pro Wrestler Dino Bravo Benched 750, Pro Wrestler Dalip Singh does like 50 reps @ 600lbs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZsx-IQrkME

no human alive can do anywhere near 50 reps at 600 pounds. period.

[giantgonzolez]

no human alive can do anywhere near 50 reps at 600 pounds. period.

It may have been 15 instead of 50, but anyway, he does multiple reps and that's WITH a 7'10" wingspan. IF he had short arms he WOULD be doing 50 reps. Here are some of his lifts according to some Indian Bodybuilding Federation or something

Dalip is the largest powerlifter ever and his resume includes reps over 600+ bench press, 300+ shoulder press, and curling over 200 lbs with one arm. He is not diagnosed with gigantism etc.
http://seatstaysup.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10965

[OneMoreSucka]

It may have been 15 instead of 50, but anyway, he does multiple reps and that's WITH a 7'10" wingspan. IF he had short arms he WOULD be doing 50 reps. Here are some of his lifts according to some Indian Bodybuilding Federation or something

Dalip is the largest powerlifter ever and his resume includes reps over 600+ bench press, 300+ shoulder press, and curling over 200 lbs with one arm. He is not diagnosed with gigantism etc.
http://seatstaysup.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10965
If he was an actual body builder it'd be a little more credible. Professional wrestlers are notorious for taking steroids.

[Biddy77]

It may have been 15 instead of 50, but anyway, he does multiple reps and that's WITH a 7'10" wingspan. IF he had short arms he WOULD be doing 50 reps. Here are some of his lifts according to some Indian Bodybuilding Federation or something

Dalip is the largest powerlifter ever and his resume includes reps over 600+ bench press, 300+ shoulder press, and curling over 200 lbs with one arm. He is not diagnosed with gigantism etc.
http://seatstaysup.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10965

you should note that every time one of those bench records is set, the guys are wearing one of those crazy looking tank tops. those are shirts that are actually *engineered* to increase bench performance. i'm not making this s**t up. if you read articles from a lot of these guys, they'll make reference to different types of bench marks they've set. one of them uses the term "raw"... that term means they did it without a bench shirt. you'd s**t your pants if you found out how big the difference is with those things off.

no, he would not be doing 50 reps with 600 pounds. even with shorter arms. for that matter, i challenge you to find me any footage of *anyone* (steroids, bench shirt, or no) doing a single set of 15 reps at or above 600 pounds.

[giantgonzolez]

If he was an actual body builder it'd be a little more credible. Professional wrestlers are notorious for taking steroids.

Ofcourse he was, this was back when he was a 17 year old 7'3" 387lbs kid in India.

http://www.babyface.it/Dalip%20Singh%20aka%20Great%20Khali.jpg

Here is a 21 year old Shredded @ 7'3" 420lbs in CONEST SHAPE @ 1% Bodyfat Dalip Singh.
He would have OWNED ANYONE in the world at Half Court Black Top Basketball(completely different than NBA No fouls, no 3 seconds, etc) when he was young and Agile and not old and slow like now.
http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/DalipGiantSingh.jpg

[allball]

it sounds to me like you have never played basketball before :roll:

what he said

[Biddy77]

Ofcourse he was, this was back when he was a 17 year old 7'3" 387lbs kid in India.

http://www.babyface.it/Dalip%20Singh%20aka%20Great%20Khali.jpg

Here is a 21 year old Shredded @ 7'3" 420lbs in CONEST SHAPE @ 1% Bodyfat Dalip Singh.
He would have OWNED ANYONE in the world at Half Court Black Top Basketball(completely different than NBA No fouls, no 3 seconds, etc) when he was young and Agile and not old and slow like now.
http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/DalipGiantSingh.jpg

1% bodyfat = dead.

your f**king brain's composition is very high in fat, kid. that's not a clever diss. brains *actually include a high % of adipose tissue*.

[InspiredLebowski]

I rarely use ignore, but let's try it out

[giantgonzolez]

1% bodyfat = dead.

your f**king brain's composition is very high in fat, kid. that's not a clever diss. brains *actually include a high % of adipose tissue*.

NO, you're not dead, because it's only for a VERY short time. Contest Shape means just that, you get into this kind of shape slowly approacing a contest and then go back up in bodyfat percentage after the contest.
At least he doesn't have to hide a beer belly and manboobs like Shaq does.
Shaq's basically a taller skinner black version of Peter Griffin.

[Biddy77]

NO, you're not dead, because it's only for a VERY short time. Contest Shape means just that, you get into this kind of shape slowly approacing a contest and then go back up in bodyfat percentage after the contest.
At least he doesn't have to hide a beer belly and manboobs like Shaq does.
Shaq's basically a taller skinner black version of Peter Griffin.

you missed the part about me being a trainer, didn't you?

there's no safe way to become so lean that your brain and internal organs are ravaged.

even for 1 second.

most pro bodybuilders--even freaks known for extreme conditioning--never get down to 3.0% bodyfat. at that point, the fat under your skin is virtually nonexistent, and just about the only fat left in your body is internal organs.

check out the career of Ronnie Coleman, and the ridiculous quest for "striated glutes" that he caused in other pro bodybuilders. even dexter "the blade" jackson, shawn ray, etc--guys KNOWN for their conditioning--have a hard time getting so lean that you can see striations in their glutes. here's a hint... at 3.0%, your glutes would look like someone carved them with a broad-toothed comb.

[inclinerator]

dumb fu cks 1 percent body fat lol. u need over 1 percent for the brain to even function. besides if u he's not even 4 percent at that picture other wise he'd be waaay more shredded. Don't pretend you know bodybuilding knowledge when you don't

lol at 420 lbs contest shape are u implying that he has like 420 lbs of pure muscle? if ur stating he has 1 percent bodyfat

[krazy19]

NO, you're not dead, because it's only for a VERY short time. Contest Shape means just that, you get into this kind of shape slowly approacing a contest and then go back up in bodyfat percentage after the contest.
At least he doesn't have to hide a beer belly and manboobs like Shaq does.
Shaq's basically a taller skinner black version of Peter Griffin.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[jbot]

helps down in the post pushing for postion.

[nbastatus]

I mean David Robinson could probably curl and bench more than any of the top 10 centers in NBA History(have you seen how big his arms were in that Spalding commerical with NBA greats shooting freethrows?), but it's not really that useful in the NBA.
I think it's actually better to have a funny looking pear shaped bottom heavy body like Shaq for basketball.
sir, please stop.

[Heilige]

LOL at the guy in that thread saying karl was at 2.9% bodyfat.

ridiculous.

here's the reason why those claims are so laughable...

a lot of your internal organs are partially composed of adipose tissue. yeah. fat.

karl malone supposedly peaked at 275 pounds or so. that's huge. he's also 6'9". you know how much a 6'9" guy has inside him? that's a lot of guts.

that particular one is also laughable, because i've seen karl malone in the gym before--from about 5 feet away. my dad and i ran into him years ago when the jazz were in town to play against the blazers. he was sneaking in a weight session at the weight room in the Marriott where my dad did his lifting on lunch breaks. i had gone down there to work out with my dad, and wow... talk about a surprise.

malone is f**king huge. very small waist for his overall size. crazy how fit he is. 2.9% bodyfat, though? LOL, f**k, no.

michael phelps swims six hours a day. granted, he eats a truckload of food, but even he is only around 6%. that's about where malone was at his leanest during his playing career. at that level, your abs pop even when you aren't flexing, and you see striations/"cords of muscle" in shoulders, triceps, etc--even when you stand relaxed.



I read in Playing for Keeps that Michael Jordan was at 4% body fat after he trained for the upcoming 1995-1996 season. :confusedshrug: In your opinion, is that true?

[gyu]

If this is true, Aaron Brooks has 2.7% body fat, the lowest ever tested in the NBA.

http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php?title=Aaron_Brooks

[Showtime]

Doesn't this guy have carpets to clean, or my burritos to make?

[Biddy77]

I read in Playing for Keeps that Michael Jordan was at 4% body fat after he trained for the upcoming 1995-1996 season. :confusedshrug: In your opinion, is that true?

4% would make him look so shredded that you'd be able to see muscle cording in relaxed poses. it's possible, but not likely. even 6% is ridiculous conditioning. i would have to see pictures of him with his jersey off to have a better idea. his conditioning has generally been *great*, though.

i would imagine that the 4% estimate either came from a caliper test, or one of the electronic paddle tests, both of which can be thrown off (drastically) depending on hydration. i tested at 5% on one of those before while i was definitely no lower than 7% at the time.

[inclinerator]

this is around 3-5 pecent body fat
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=75234&d=1071062790

[Biddy77]

this is around 3-5 pecent body fat
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=75234&d=1071062790

truth. i've seen that picture a LOT of times, expressly because of the insane conditioning that guy was in.

look at the line of the inside of his pecs... at 3%-4% bodyfat, he's so lean you can see where the muscle starts.

the guy in that picture is actually more lean than most pro bodybuilders ever get.

[revan]

Every thread this guy makes some how has Olajuwon in it. Olajuwon this, Olajuwon that. DID YOU HEAR HE SHATTED THE BALLZ FROM 3s @ 100%? GOAT!

[giantgonzolez]

this is around 3-5 pecent body fat
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=75234&d=1071062790
David Robinson's arms were WAY more shredded than that many times during his career. Robinson also had way more visable veins, triations, and defined arms than that guy even UNFLEXED.
I absolutely believe that Karl Malone and David Robinson were well under 4% more like 2-3.5% bodyfat at one time in their careers as I myself have been measured with a 4.0% bodyfat when I had a 30.25" waist with the water displacement bodyfat percentage test, and Karl Malone and Robinson were more shredded than I ever was.
Even John Stockton was 3.8% bodyfat when he repoted to training camp one year. David Robinson let himself go a little and he was 6.1% bodyfat at the very end of his career. If you watch that Spalding commercial, with archival footage, Robinson's SHREDDED in the 2.5-4.0% bodyfat range then.



http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/nba/2002-10-28-vets-workouts_x.htm
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090305173623AAjgYIk
http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=8245623462&topic=33618
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-2978.html
http://www.celebheights.com/s/Charles-Barkley-2722.html

[joma11]

I mean David Robinson could probably curl and bench more than any of the top 10 centers in NBA History(have you seen how big his arms were in that Spalding commerical with NBA greats shooting freethrows?), but it's not really that useful in the NBA.
I think it's actually better to have a funny looking pear shaped bottom heavy body like Shaq for basketball.
april fool is gone.
stop posting joke please.

[giantgonzolez]

4% would make him look so shredded that you'd be able to see muscle cording in relaxed poses. it's possible, but not likely. even 6% is ridiculous conditioning. i would have to see pictures of him with his jersey off to have a better idea. his conditioning has generally been *great*, though.

i would imagine that the 4% estimate either came from a caliper test, or one of the electronic paddle tests, both of which can be thrown off (drastically) depending on hydration. i tested at 5% on one of those before while i was definitely no lower than 7% at the time.

You have no Idea what 4% bodyfat looks like compared to 2% bodyfat because I actually was 4% bodyfat 4 1/2 years ago with a water displacement test after my parents became worried that I had too little fat because I started working out and eating like David Robinson because my dad had a heart attack and a quintiple bypass.

[eliteballer]

lol...Shaq used to throw around Robinson like a ragdoll.

[giantgonzolez]

lol...Shaq used to throw around Robinson like a ragdoll.

That's because Shaq weight more, had a gigantic butt and was bottom heavy and allowed UNLIMITTED OFFENSIVE FOULS by David Stern when he was in a top 3 market. If we're talking about upper body strength, Robinson or Karl Malone would tear Shaq's arms off if they were arm wrestling.

[Biddy77]

You have no Idea what 4% bodyfat looks like compared to 2% bodyfat because I actually was 4% bodyfat 4 1/2 years ago with a water displacement test after my parents became worried that I had too little fat because I started working out and eating like David Robinson because my dad had a heart attack and a quintiple bypass.

you, sir, are entertaining.

i am going to stop feeding this obvious troll.

[copper]

It may have been 15 instead of 50, but anyway, he does multiple reps and that's WITH a 7'10" wingspan. IF he had short arms he WOULD be doing 50 reps. Here are some of his lifts according to some Indian Bodybuilding Federation or something

Dalip is the largest powerlifter ever and his resume includes reps over 600+ bench press, 300+ shoulder press, and curling over 200 lbs with one arm. He is not diagnosed with gigantism etc.
http://seatstaysup.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10965
BIG difference 15-50

[inclinerator]

dumb ass arm wrestling is not even all 100 percent arm strength there are techniques and such. I know plenty of people that are weak and have beaten people they are way stronger than them

[giantgonzolez]

dumb ass arm wrestling is not even all 100 percent arm strength there are techniques and such. I know plenty of people that are weak and have beaten people they are way stronger than them

I'd love to chat some more with mental midgets like you, but I have to finish my project on Dreamweaver so I can get a 4.0 for my last semester before graduation. I also have to find a place that carries Pioneer Elite Kuro Signature series displays in my area before they run out as that's going to be my graduation present for myself.

[copper]

lol...Shaq used to throw around Robinson like a ragdoll.
not an accurate measure of strength...simply a show of physics...just for arguement sake..a 200lbs man that can bench press 600lbs we would all agree is stronger than a 300lbs man that can bench press 400lbs....but Ill bet ya dollars to donuts the second fella pushes the first around 90% of the time...its a mass issue rather than strength. like sumo wrestlers....which base is better?

[inclinerator]

really ur the dumbest piece of **** ever if you really think that arm wrestling is all strength

[Timmy D for MVP]

No upper body strength is extremely important. For post players the strength is obvious in what it helps with. Positioning, rebounding, scoring. And for perimiter players it can increase your ability to get to the hole and finish even when fouled.

However, pure strength doesn't translate into the skill said needed to use that strength. You need to know how to use your weight in order for it to be effective.

And there are players that don't have that much strength that can do that as well. Like a Kevin Durant. So...

[GiveItToBurrito]

You're wrong, Pro Wrestler Tank Abbot benches 600, Pro Wrestler Scott Norton benched 672, Pro Wrestler Dino Bravo Benched 750, Pro Wrestler Dalip Singh does like 50 reps @ 600lbs.
Also, Kevin Garnett has "superstar rules" so people who outmuscle him even in a legal manner get a foul. On the other hand when Shaq used to elbow people in the face they'd get a defense foul for headbutting Shaq's elbow or when Shaq rammed them with his shoulder they'd get the defensive foul call.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZsx-IQrkME

Wrestlers are strong, no doubt about it, but they're guys who do weight lifting for the sake of getting bigger, not getting stronger. They're more like body-builders than world's strongest man-types. Also, wrestling is fake and most of these guys' stats are exaggerations.

I can't really argue with you about whether or not KG's defensive abilities are the product of the referees, since it's purely subjective. All I know is that he doesn't get pushed around like, say, Lamarcus Aldridge or Javale McGee, even though he doesn't look like he's any more muscular than them.

[unbreakable]

Upper body strength is very important if you plan on attacking the rim. Ever since I started hitting the weightroom I can absorb much more contact which allows me to finish better around the rim.

Check out your favorite ballers.. Kobe, Lebron, Wade.. they are very very strong athletes.

[giantgonzolez]

Upper body strength is very important if you plan on attacking the rim. Ever since I started hitting the weightroom I can absorb much more contact which allows me to finish better around the rim.

Check out your favorite ballers.. Kobe, Lebron, Wade.. they are very very strong athletes.

Yeah, but that's ONLY IN THE NBA. It would be a VERY different story if they were playing on the blacktop with monsters like Mark Henry, Paul Wight, or Dalip Singh hanging out in the lane forever. Kobe, Wade, etc would have the shot selection of Steve Kerr in such an enviornment.
You'd literally have to be as big as the incredible Hulk try and dunk on Mark Henry.

[thejumpa]

Yeah, but that's ONLY IN THE NBA. It would be a VERY different story if they were playing on the blacktop with monsters like Mark Henry, Paul Wight, or Dalip Singh hanging out in the lane forever. Kobe, Wade, etc would have the shot selection of Steve Kerr in such an enviornment.
You'd literally have to be as big as the incredible Hulk try and dunk on Mark Henry.


Mark Henry is a big dude.....and has only gotten bigger in the recent years but...I don't know if you have ever dunked on someone or had someone dunked on you but...If your big enough and have enough momentum you could easily dunk on someone considerably bigger than you. On the other hand, I have prevented people from dunking on me who have 100+ pounds on me by simply making strong contact to through off their motion and stop them from throwing down. It sounds cheap but hey, I'm not getting dunked on.....

and spare me that **** on how upper body isn't important in basketball. Granted there is a lot of weak dudes in the league (Kevin Durant), but a lot of those guys have strength. Whether it be bench press,curling,rows,or any other kind of presses, you still gotta stand in shape and stay strong or else you will be a KD out there getting banged around....

[OneMoreSucka]

Yeah, but that's ONLY IN THE NBA. It would be a VERY different story if they were playing on the blacktop with monsters like Mark Henry, Paul Wight, or Dalip Singh hanging out in the lane forever. Kobe, Wade, etc would have the shot selection of Steve Kerr in such an enviornment.
You'd literally have to be as big as the incredible Hulk try and dunk on Mark Henry.
Mark Henry as in the wrestler? Dude's like 450 pounds, even I could drive past him like it's nothing...

[giantgonzolez]

Mark Henry is a big dude.....and has only gotten bigger in the recent years but...I don't know if you have ever dunked on someone or had someone dunked on you but...If your big enough and have enough momentum you could easily dunk on someone considerably bigger than you. On the other hand, I have prevented people from dunking on me who have 100+ pounds on me by simply making strong contact to through off their motion and stop them from throwing down. It sounds cheap but hey, I'm not getting dunked on.....

and spare me that **** on how upper body isn't important in basketball. Granted there is a lot of weak dudes in the league (Kevin Durant), but a lot of those guys have strength. Whether it be bench press,curling,rows,or any other kind of presses, you still gotta stand in shape and stay strong or else you will be a KD out there getting banged around....


You're WRONG, and you don't understand Physics. Dalip Singh, Mark Henry, or Paul Wight would do this to ANY DUNKER IN NBA HISTORY INCLUDING SHAQ.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DobXKM8CfuU

[giantgonzolez]

Mark Henry as in the wrestler? Dude's like 450 pounds, even I could drive past him like it's nothing...

How are you going to drive past him when he's already hanging out near the rim? Mark Henry plays a different kind of basketball than NBA players, he has a NO DUNK RULE. I'd LOVE to see Shaq even try and dunk on Mark Henry.
Mark Henry would be the one who dunks Shaq's head through the blacktop if Shaq even tried. Shaq would be play like Steve Kerr and never go in the paint if Mark Henry was guarding him because Shaq's afraid of the tough brand of b ball they play in Henry's hood.

[thejumpa]

You're WRONG, and you don't understand Physics. Dalip Singh, Mark Henry, or Paul Wight would do this to ANY DUNKER IN NBA HISTORY INCLUDING SHAQ.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DobXKM8CfuU


Haha, so you show me a video of Shaq committing a hard foul on Stuckey? Shaq was moving towards Stuckey and did what? MADE ENOUGH CONTACT. He went for the ball and ended up hitting him in the shoulder/face/neck,etc... causing the him to fall all awkward like. Kobe or any other G could do the exact same thing to Stuckey. Granted, someone smaller than Shaq would have to try harder because he doesn't have the same weight or size moving with him but that didn't really show me anything besides a foul.

I don't know about Singh or Wight but if Mark Henry stood under the rim and tried to block a dunk by say.....Lebron, Josh Smith, somebody who has a good amount of strength, vertical leap, and force.....he wouldn't. The only thing he could do is foul the guy. Henry is 6'1 380 and probably can't jump worth a ****. What more can the guy do but get physical and foul you hard enough to slow your momentum? nothing too hard to understand there......correct me if I'm wrong

[thejumpa]

How are you going to drive past him when he's already hanging out near the rim? Mark Henry plays a different kind of basketball than NBA players, he has a NO DUNK RULE. I'd LOVE to see Shaq even try and dunk on Mark Henry.
Mark Henry would be the one who dunks Shaq's head through the blacktop if Shaq even tried. Shaq would be play like Steve Kerr and never go in the paint if Mark Henry was guarding him because Shaq's afraid of the tough brand of b ball they play in Henry's hood.

Man that isn't some special kind of basketball Mark Henry plays either. A "No Dunk Rule" that **** right there sounds stupid. NO ONE in the NBA wants to get dunked on. But at the same time, they aren't going to play stupid and intentionally try to be TOO physical with someone to the point where they may get hurt. Sometimes it happens, but I'm sure a player could have a "No dunk rule" and just foul someone hella hard when they try to dunk. It would stop them damn near every time but would also get your ass kicked out the game....Henry is strong, but Shaq is too big and tall, he would get dunked on.

[inclinerator]

get ur fake as wrestling nut hugging as outta here. there is a reason why this is basketball and not wrestling.

[swyftdahoe]

lmao, OP you're a f'n idiot.

[giantgonzolez]

Haha, so you show me a video of Shaq committing a hard foul on Stuckey? Shaq was moving towards Stuckey and did what? MADE ENOUGH CONTACT. He went for the ball and ended up hitting him in the shoulder/face/neck,etc... causing the him to fall all awkward like. Kobe or any other G could do the exact same thing to Stuckey. Granted, someone smaller than Shaq would have to try harder because he doesn't have the same weight or size moving with him but that didn't really show me anything besides a foul.

I don't know about Singh or Wight but if Mark Henry stood under the rim and tried to block a dunk by say.....Lebron, Josh Smith, somebody who has a good amount of strength, vertical leap, and force.....he wouldn't. The only thing he could do is foul the guy. Henry is 6'1 380 and probably can't jump worth a ****. What more can the guy do but get physical and foul you hard enough to slow your momentum? nothing too hard to understand there......correct me if I'm wrong

Mark Henry can dunk, Sports Center mistakenly said that he's the heaviest man to ever dunk a basketball (The forgot about Dalip Singh, Paul Wight, and many other 400-500 pounders).

[giantgonzolez]

Man that isn't some special kind of basketball Mark Henry plays either. A "No Dunk Rule" that **** right there sounds stupid. NO ONE in the NBA wants to get dunked on. But at the same time, they aren't going to play stupid and intentionally try to be TOO physical with someone to the point where they may get hurt. Sometimes it happens, but I'm sure a player could have a "No dunk rule" and just foul someone hella hard when they try to dunk. It would stop them damn near every time but would also get your ass kicked out the game....Henry is strong, but Shaq is too big and tall, he would get dunked on.

Henry is twice the Size of Shaq and and a former Olympic Power Lifter, he'd dunk Shaq's head through the court if Shaq ever tried to dunk on him.

[DCL]

this is just the second thread i came across from this character giantgonzolez, and my conclusion is he's the dumbst fking flying fk in the history of fking flying fks. that is my final answer.

[Toizumi]

You have no Idea what 4% bodyfat looks like compared to 2% bodyfat because I actually was 4% bodyfat 4 1/2 years ago with a water displacement test after my parents became worried that I had too little fat because I started working out and eating like David Robinson because my dad had a heart attack and a quintiple bypass.


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[BloodyRain]

You are one funny poster, giantgonzoles.

In a bad way, but also a good way.

[momo]

I rarely use ignore, but let's try it out

Yea, let's.

[Myth]

Yea, let's.

Agreed. The little "I exaggerate against Shaq" in his avatar isn't enough. Wait, where is the ignore button?

[giantgonzolez]

get ur fake as wrestling nut hugging as outta here. there is a reason why this is basketball and not wrestling.

Like basketball isn't fake either. HAVE YOU SEEN THE 2002 WCF?
Also, how does pro wrestling being scripted take away from any athletic or physical gifts that the performers posess? Just becuase Brock Lesnar was a pro wrestler doesn't mean he can't beat up 99.999% of the people on the planet does it?

[Myth]

Damn, I can still see his thread titles. I wish the thread would be completely invisible to me. Oh well, I can't see the post above, so thats good.

[Toizumi]

Like basketball isn't fake either. HAVE YOU SEEN THE 2002 WCF?
Also, how does pro wrestling being scripted take away from any athletic or physical gifts that the performers posess? Just becuase Brock Lesnar was a pro wrestler doesn't mean he can't beat up 99.999% of the people on the planet does it?

What he meant was that this is a NBA forum.. not a wrestling forum. There's probably a lot of forums on the web about wrestling. Get on one of those..

[RainierBeachPoet]

all other things being equal, it is better to be strong than not in the nba-- it might give you the advantage over the next guy. in the nba, everyone has skills/ability or they wouldnt be in the league


but a guy like tayshaun-- who looks like he couldnt bench his weight for one rep-- shows us that core strength, quickness and length all trump standard measures of strength for nba effectiveness

[Jerkstore!]

just because shaqs muscles arent as defined as robinsons doesnt mean he is any less stronger muscularly.

people with thick skin are not as defined as people who have thinner skin

[gibbo3000]

Your talking about no rules/street basketball as if it would be a fight, then the winner picks up the ball and lays it in, its laughable
If thats the case I've got my money on Fedor Emelianenko and he's significantly smaller than that Indian guy


But back to the BF%.
The arms are one of the last places where men naturally store fat. So someone could have 8-10% bodyfat and look similar to comeone with 4% bodyfat when wearing a tank top.
I doubt shaq had much fat on his arms, and I'd say his arms were significantly bigger than Robinsons, and similar to Malones.

we are talking about THE MAN OF STEEL

[Meticode]

I read the first page of the original poster, he has no idea what the **** he's talking about. So I didn't bother with the following pages.

[lolwut]

Olajuwon had below average upper body strength and look at what a horrible player he turned out to be:confusedshrug:


below average? Olajuwon was a monster. There's video of him lifting weights at UH on Youtube, the guy was ripped up like Dwight.