"Greatest playoff performer" poll on NBA.com....lol

[ballhog]

http://www.nba.com/FanNight/

............kids. 3\5 of have atleast won a chip as the man.(i know, understatement) One hasn't won anything (yet). i really think its an insult to have kobe and lebron on there for this poll. some might disagree.


oh and wheres Wades name?

[Stringer Bell]

:oldlol:

Larry Bird 4%

Kobe Bryant 34%

LeBron James 17%

Magic Johnson 5%

Michael Jordan 41%

[Scott Pippen]

Larry Bird 4%

Magic Johnson 5%
Jesus..

[branslowski]

Bring on the KOBEDICKHATING.....:ohwell:

[KeylessEntry]

So Kobe and Lebron are better playoff performers than Bird and Magic :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:



This poll would be a lot better if they put Duncan and Shaq instead of Kobe and Lebron.

[DonDadda59]

Bring on the KOBEDICKHATING.....:ohwell:

As opposed to KOBEDICKLOVING? :wtf:

[Showtime]

It's this attitude by "fans" that motivates people like me to bring up the past players because this **** is ridiculous.

[branslowski]

What would be the 5 players you guys put on the list? Then create a poll for?

[DonDadda59]

Candidates should be Jordan, Magic, Bird, Shaq, Duncan, Hakeem, Isiah, and on the cusp Horry... and Wade is a much better candidate than both Lebron and Kobe put together, '06 was one of the most ridiculous individual playoff runs ever.

[Charles_Oakley]

Probably the worst poll I've ever seen. What's even worse is the results.

It's really sad to see that the NBA has come to new lows.

[Showtime]

Candidates should be Jordan, Magic, Bird, Shaq, Duncan, Hakeem, Isiah, and on the cusp Horry... and Wade is a much better candidate than both Lebron and Kobe put together, '06 was one of the most ridiculous individual playoff runs ever.
Hondo? Jerry West? "Big Game" James? Bill Russell? I could go on. All > Kobe from the standpoint of level of play in the postseason.

[stephanieg]

This is one reason why democracy doesn't work.

[U got Served]

Candidates should be Jordan, Magic, Bird, Shaq, Duncan, Hakeem, Isiah, and on the cusp Horry... and Wade is a much better candidate than both Lebron and Kobe put together, '06 was one of the most ridiculous individual playoff runs ever.

+ 1

[DonDadda59]

Hondo? Jerry West? "Big Game" James? Bill Russell? I could go on. All > Kobe from the standpoint of level of play in the postseason.

Jerry West, eh... lost how many times in the finals? The rest are great choices, especially the often overlooked Worthy. Guy really upped the ante when it counted the most, Lebron needs to watch old game tape of him to see how a SF plays in the post.

[branslowski]

Kobe has had great indivisual Playoff games...but He has choked too many times to be on that list...But Wade has only been in 1 good playoff run, Kobe has 3 playoff game-winners, took over a few gms in every Finals Series win... including 48pts 16reb gm vs Kings only to follow up the next night with 45pts 15rebs....But, he shouldnt be on the list...

Jerry West=1-9 in Finals...ship his ass out

[Showtime]

Jerry West, eh... lost how many times in the finals?

I suggest you read up on West's playoff career.

[qrich]

:oldlol: @ Kobe and LeBron being on that list.

Eh, I'm not going to recycle what everyone else said, so I'll just leave it at :oldlol:

[Showtime]

Jerry West=1-9 in Finals...ship his ass out
LOL

Struggling and losing is totally different than playing at an elite level and losing to a better team. West's play in the postseason was phenomenal.

[TheAnchorman]

Bird is better than Kobe, MJ is better than Kobe, Magic's better than Kobe (leading Lakers to victory in 1980 in Game 6 as a ROOKIE?!? OMG FTW) Kobe is better than Lebron (but that's only because Kobe's been around longer)... I like how Hakeem and Shaq and Duncan weren't even mentioned. Granted Kobe is an amazing performer but really? 34%? **** that.

[andgar923]

I'm surprised that Dwight Howard didn't get like 27% of the vote.

[plowking]

Only now does it surprise me how much the media plays apart in brainwashing the viewers out there. Wade is a level above Lebron in terms of playoffs and yet didn't get a vote. Not that I'm saying he should be on the list either, though when you have that name on there and not Wade's, it's dispicable.

[andgar923]

*reads list again*

Bwahahahahha

What a joke

Not sure what's worse......

That they chose Kobe and James or that the Magic and Bird got so few votes.

[Sanity]

Wow. I mean how could..............I just don't get.........Why would........

**** it. :banghead:

[Fatal9]

Kobe is a bad choice but at least he has 3 rings and multiple memorable series.

Lebron? You're looking at the biggest drop off in production out of anyone we'd currently label a superstar. Hilarious pick :oldlol:

[Toizumi]

:oldlol:

Larry Bird 4%

Kobe Bryant 34%

LeBron James 17%

Magic Johnson 5%

Michael Jordan 41%

“Who the fck are Larry Bird and Magic Johson? Why are they on this list? Where are Vince, T-Mac, Jason Richardson? They dunk and stuff... I

[MMM]

this is a head scratchier of a poll it is times like this where I don't blame people calling LeBron/Kobe overrated. They really have not accomplished much (although to be fair there careers are not complete) in comparison to the All-time greats.

[bdreason]

At least they got one right.... I guess.

[Ken_Masters]

Worst poll i've ever seen.

[momo]

It is the demographic of the poll takers. I am SURE it skews verrrry young.

[oh the horror]

We were at a bar when we all saw this poll. You know what the general opinion was with my buddies and I? CHILDREN vote on these polls. MEN do not.



End of story.

[Toizumi]

We were at a bar when we all saw this poll. You know what the general opinion was with my buddies and I? CHILDREN created this poll. MEN did not.

fixxed. The options to choose from were messed up in the first place.

[Manute for Ever!]

Seeing that poll almost physically hurts. The lack of respect for players of the past makes me sick to my stomach. :mad:

[godofgods]

It doesn't surprise me.

If you have a poll asking this question: "Who won the Nobel Prize for Physics last year?" The majority answer would be Kobe.

If you have a poll asking this question: "Who is the current president of USA?" The majority answer would again be Kobe.

You would think that Kobe also invented the cure for cancer while scoring 81 on his off days. However, in reality he's just an unfaithful criminal who bought his way out of prison.

[Kebab Stall]

I blame the retards at NBA for putting Kobe and Lebron on that list. However, if this was a test by them to see how retarded their fans are and how little they know about the history of the game, then it seems to have worked.....very well.

[Riker]

I blame the retards at NBA for putting Kobe and Lebron on that list. However, if this was a test by them to see how retarded their fans are and how little they know about the history of the game, then it seems to have worked.....very well.

And that's what I'm saying this whole time


But no one wants to admit it. NBA is progressively lowering the standards. Rules, star treatment, and for what reason, you may ask?

To cater the very fans who make the biggest demographic of the sport.

Moronic 13 year olds. And that's a fact.

[dazed27]

this is a head scratchier of a poll it is times like this where I don't blame people calling LeBron/Kobe overrated. They really have not accomplished much (although to be fair there careers are not complete) in comparison to the All-time greats.

so ur telling me larry and magic accomplish wayyyy more than kobe??????

and dont give me none of the because kobe had shaq....cause we all know larry and magic had their all star teamates as well....

oh and the list is ridiculous.....especially with bron...

[dazed27]

It doesn't surprise me.

If you have a poll asking this question: "Who won the Nobel Prize for Physics last year?" The majority answer would be Kobe.

If you have a poll asking this question: "Who is the current president of USA?" The majority answer would again be Kobe.

You would think that Kobe also invented the cure for cancer while scoring 81 on his off days. However, in reality he's just an unfaithful criminal who bought his way out of prison.

dude u should be saying that about lebron...atleast kobe has 3 rings.....3 out of 5......and soon to be four rings.....

[Riker]

Kobe also invented the cure for cancer while scoring 81

Well, we may argue on may things here but I hope you know that really happened?

[Dunaprenti]

so ur telling me larry and magic accomplish wayyyy more than kobe??????


Yes they have. Bird has 2 more MVPs, 2 finals MVPs, Magic has 2 more titles, 2 more MVPs and 3 finals MVPs...

[Riker]

so ur telling me larry and magic accomplish wayyyy more than kobe??????

Robertus Horry >> Kobe?

Hmm?

[Riker]

LOL, good timing on replying to exact same quote :roll:

[Dunaprenti]

Hahah yeah Robert Horry is a beast :lol

[bruceblitz]

Vince Carter raises his level of play in the playoffs compared to his regular season production way more than Kobe and LeBron do. That's the saddest part of this poll. I could put together a list of over 100 NBA players who raise their level of play in the playoffs more than LeBron and Kobe have. That poll is sickening. Flat out sickening. It's almost enough to drive people away from watching the game. Why the **** do I want to follow a game where the NBA itself constantly tries to trick fans into thinking that current players are better than they really are.

When I think of great playoff performers I think of players like Jordan, Kareem, Magic, Bird, Hakeem, Shaq, Duncan, Oscar, and Bill Russell to name a few. When I think about players who DISAPPOINT in the playoffs I think of Wilt, Kobe, LeBron, etc. That poll is a sham.

Shaq in the Finals as a Laker:
2000 vs Indiana Pacers Shaq 38ppg 16rpg 2apg 61%FG
2001 vs Philadelphia Shaq 33ppg 15rpg 4apg 57%FG
2002 vs New Jersey Nets Shaq 36ppg 12rpg 3apg 59%FG
2004 vs Detroit Shaq 26ppg 10rpg 1apg 63%FG

Hakeem Olajuwon regular season career: 21.8ppg, 51.2%fg, 71.2%ft, 11.1reb, 2.5ast
Hakeem Olajuwon playoffs career: 25.9ppg, 52.8%fg, 71.9%ft, 11.2reb, 3.2ast
Shaq regular season career: 24.8ppg, 58.2%fg, 52.8%ft, 11.3reb, 2.6ast
Shaq playoffs career: 25.2ppg, 56.4%fg, 50.1%ft, 12.1reb, 2.8ast
Tim Duncan regular season career: 21.4ppg, 50.7%fg, 68.5%ft, 11.7reb, 3.2ast
Tim Duncan playoffs career: 23.4ppg, 50.1%fg, 69.1%ft, 12.7reb, 3.5ast
Notice how much Hakeem's production jumps in the playoffs, Duncan's production raises in the playoffs, Shaq also raised his level of play in the playoffs but especially the NBA Finals when he was a Laker...

I personally think that Kobe is one of the most DISAPPOINTING playoff performers of all time. That poll you posted just shows how overrated Kobe is with the fan base of the NBA. LeBron choked vs the Spurs in the finals and Kobe's choked 4 out of 5 times in the finals but Shaq was there to carry him. LeBron is still young so I shy away from calling him overrated, so far.
Kobe's 5 finals appearances, only one decent showing.
2000 vs Indiana Pacers Kobe 15ppg 4rpg 4apg 36%FG
2001 vs Philadelphia Kobe 24ppg 7rpg 5apg 41%FG
2002 vs New Jersey Nets Kobe 26ppg 5rpg 5apg 51%FG
2004 vs Detroit Kobe 22ppg 2rpg 4apg 38%FG
2008 vs Boston Celtics Kobe 25ppg 4reb 5ast 40%fg

Michael Jordan career regular season: 30.1ppg, 49.7%fg, 83.5%ft, 32.7%3pt, 6.2reb, 5.3ast
Michael Jordan career playoffs: 33.4ppg, 48.7%fg, 82.8%ft, 33.2%3pt, 6.4reb, 5.7ast
Magic Johnson career regular season: 19.5ppg, 52.0%fg, 84.8%ft, 30.3%3pt, 7.2reb, 11.2ast
Magic Johnson career playoffs: 19.5ppg, 50.6%fg, 83.8%ft, 24.1%3pt, 7.7reb, 12.3ast
Larry Bird career regular season: 24.3ppg, 49.6%fg, 88.6%ft, 37.6%3pt, 10reb, 6.3ast
Larry Bird career playoffs: 23.8ppg, 47.2%fg, 89%ft, 32.1%3pt, 10.3reb, 6.5ast

Notice, Jordan's ppg, reb, and ast raise in the playoffs. PPG raises drastically.

LeBron regular season career: 27.5ppg, 47.0%fg, 73.7%ft, 32.7%3pt, 7reb, 6.7ast
LeBron playoffs career: 27.5ppg, 43.3%fg, 74.2%ft, 28.8%3pt, 8reb, 7.3ast
Kobe regular season career: 25.1ppg, 45.4%fg, 84%ft, 34.1%3pt, 5.3reb, 4.6ast
Kobe playoffs career: 24.3ppg, 44.5%fg, 79.8%ft, 32.5%3pt, 5reb, 4.6ast
Both Kobe and LeBron DO NOT step up their level of play in the playoffs. Not even close. That fan vote just proves how much fans lack knowledge of the history of the game.

At least they got one thing right:
In the 1991 NBA Finals Jordan posted per game averages of 31.2 points on 56% shooting from the field, 11.4 assists, 6.6 rebounds, 2.8 steals and 1.4 blocks. Jordan won his first NBA Finals MVP award by a unanimous decision, and he cried while holding the NBA Finals trophy.
In the 1992 NBA Finals Jordan was named Finals MVP for the second year in a row and finished the series averaging 35.8 ppg, 4.8 rpg, and 6.5 apg, 1.67 steals, .33 blocks while shooting 53% from the floor.
In the 1993 NBA Finals Jordan averaged a Finals-record 41.0 ppg during the six-game series, 8.5 rebounds, 6.3 assists, .67 blocks, 1.67steals, and became the first player in NBA history to win three straight Finals MVP awards. Jordan scored more than 30 points in every game of the series, including 40 or more points in 4 consecutive games, a record which has never been threatened.
In the 1996 Finals Jordan averaged 27.3 points, 5.3 rebounds, 4.16 assists, 1.67 steals, .17 blocks per game in the 1996 NBA Finals vs Seattle. Jordan won the Finals MVP trophy.
In the 1997 Finals Jordan averaged 32.3 points, 7 rebounds, 6 assists, .83 blocks, 1.17 steals per game in the 1997 NBA finals against the Utah Jazz. Jordan won the Finals MVP trophy.
In the 1998 Finals Jordan averaged 33.5 points, 4 rebounds, 2.3 assists, .67 steals, .67 blocks per game in the 1998 NBA finals against the Utah Jazz. Jordan won the Finals MVP trophy.
Jordan was 6 for 6 in NBA Finals appearances and 6 for 6 with Finals MVP awards

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[Riker]

In the 1991 NBA Finals Jordan posted per game averages of 31.2 points on 56% shooting from the field, 11.4 assists, 6.6 rebounds, 2.8 steals and 1.4 blocks.


Holy christ I mean **** like this really makes you feel bad for these pet puppies today

[Sriracha]

This is ridiculous.

[Dro]

Very ridiculous.......They don't even have Reggie Miller on the list....

[shawbryant]

Kobe is always amzing in every voting.
If you don't want Kobe to win this GPP award, I'll tell you the best way you can use, just hide this link from Chinese fans.

[Psileas]

Childish list, made for and answered mostly by 15-year olds. I had never put any trust in Internet votings, and this is another proof. The list should include 5 of the following 10 players, when it comes to playoff dominance and consistency:

Jordan
Kareem
Magic
Shaq
Wilt
West
Hakeem
Bird
Russell
Duncan

and there are a few others as well (Isiah, Pettit, Havlicek, Baylor, Barkley, the 2 Malones -yes, even Karl-, Dr.J (if we include ABA career)) to consider picking before Kobe. Not saying that all of them should necessarily be above him, but you can consider them.
LeBron? Not even in the discussion yet. He'll be some day, but not yet.

But of course, if such things were solely based on cold facts and calculations instead of adding much emotionalism and hype, basketball wouldn't be as big and popular. I'm not happy with this, but that's how it's working.

[Floppy]

this would almost be funny if it wasn't so sad :cry:

[zabuza666]

What would be the 5 players you guys put on the list? Then create a poll for?

MJ
Bird
Wade
Shaq
Duncan

those are 5 ppl who are better right off the top of my head.

[vert48]

I cannot believe that Kareem is not on the list.

[Sriracha]

Honestly what do you guys expect of the poll? The majority of people that remember Bird and Magic is in Florida collecting retirement check and never heard of the internet, or has a job.

[Bush4Ever]

Lebron should in no way, shape, or form be on this list.

At least Kobe has an outside argument, even though he has been pretty darn subpar in the his NBA Finals trips.

[PoGoMon]

This is one reason why democracy doesn't work.

DEMOCRACY usually means that all of the people get to participate in the NOMINATING process - not some arbitrary, secret, unnamed "committee".

Or at least, that is what democracy USED to mean! :rolleyes:

[Maniak]

I almost fell out of my chair when I saw it. That is such a disgraceful choice of players.

[lolwut]

holy ****ing disaster of a poll

[PoGoMon]

Honestly what do you guys expect of the poll? The majority of people that remember Bird and Magic is in Florida collecting retirement check and never heard of the internet, or has a job.

Really? Those of us born in the 50s are already retired? You need to go back to school and take some easy 1st grade math classes that I had! :rolleyes:

[Sriracha]

Really? Those of us born in the 50s are already retired? You need to go back to school and take some easy 1st grade math classes that I had! :rolleyes:

Seriously? I did not say those who was born in the 50s have retired. I was inferring that the majority of people who do care about Magic and Bird is doing something else rather than vote on a NBA.com pole. Guess I really have to go back to 1st grade math.

[PistonsFan#21]

Larry Bird career regular season: 24.3ppg, 49.6%fg, 88.6%ft, 37.6%3pt, 10reb, 6.3ast
Larry Bird career playoffs: 23.8ppg, 47.2%fg, 89%ft, 32.1%3pt, 10.3reb, 6.5ast

LeBron regular season career: 27.5ppg, 47.0%fg, 73.7%ft, 32.7%3pt, 7reb, 6.7ast
LeBron playoffs career: 27.5ppg, 43.3%fg, 74.2%ft, 28.8%3pt, 8reb, 7.3ast


Well if you say that Lebron doesnt increase his production during playoff time the same can be said about Larry Bird. You contradicted yourself by using Larry Bird as an example. The only thing Larry Bird increased come playoff time is his FT by 0.4% , his rebounds by 0.3 and his assists by 0.2

Lebron increased his FT by 0.5% , his rebs by 1.0 and his assists by 0.6

Larry Bird dropped his production in ppg, FG% and 3pt%. Lebron dropped only in FG% and 3pt%. So yeah i think its safe to say that Lebron increases his production come playoff time more than Larry Bird did.

[Allstar24]

Larry Bird 4%
Kobe Bryant 38%
LeBron James 12%
Magic Johnson 5%
Michael Jordan 41%

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

It would be funny to see everyone's reaction if Kobe won the poll.

[Rekindled]

this is one truly messed up poll. Why is lebron even on the poll, nenver won anything.

[TheAnchorman]

Larry Bird 4%
Kobe Bryant 38%
LeBron James 12%
Magic Johnson 5%
Michael Jordan 41%

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

It would be funny to see everyone's reaction if Kobe won the poll. I would probably shoot myself with disgrace (I voted for MJ, I HAD to).

I think you guys are going a tad bit overboard on Kobe's playoff performances I'm sure he's had some great games and some horrible ones as well, as do all the great players in NBA history but overall he's been quite the playoff performer. Does everybody ignore the 1st 3 rounds of the playoffs or something, or is this thread labeled "Greatest Finals performer"?

But he sure as hell doesn't deserve to be in that poll, much less with a 38% vote??? I'm just scratching my head like "WTF"??

[Biddy77]

i shat myself.

bird and magic combining for 9%... so many deserving players left off... what the f**k...

[jrong]

But Wade has only been in 1 good playoff run,

You failed.


However, Wade wouldn't belong on this poll either. If it was a poll of the top five active playoff performers, then he would. But, on the all-time list, no.

[T-Low]

Half the time people who vote on these polls are kids. So no need taking it seriously considering half the people voting weren't even born in the Bird/Magic era....

[Champion]

Kobe has had great indivisual Playoff games...but He has choked too many times to be on that list...But Wade has only been in 1 good playoff run, Kobe has 3 playoff game-winners, took over a few gms in every Finals Series win... including 48pts 16reb gm vs Kings only to follow up the next night with 45pts 15rebs....But, he shouldnt be on the list...

Jerry West=1-9 in Finals...ship his ass out

However, Kobe never took over in the NBA finals to win the series as evident in his last two finals appearances and last NBA finals game (39 pt blowout). Wade, on the other hand, down 0-2 (unlike up 3-1 and then lose the series) brought his team from elimination with 4-straight (with help from the men in stripe). All you have to do is look at how Kobe exited the playoffs in the last six years to understand why.

That poll shows why you can't judge a player by his hype.

[JayGuevara]

Somebody needs to get the folks at NBA.com a calendar, it's a lil late for April Fool's jokes like this.

[GiveItToBurrito]

this is one truly messed up poll. Why is lebron even on the poll, nenver won anything.

The 24 straight points against he Pistons was pretty impressive, but yeah, it's still too early for Lebron. And Kobe at 38% is just absurd; Kobe's a great player and he's had some good series, but there's not even a consensus that he raises his game in the playoffs, much less is some kind of clutch superstar like MJ, Bird, Shaq, or Magic.

If I had to pick someone from that list, it'd probably be Magic, just based on him coming in and playing center in the last game of the series agains the 76ers when he won his first ring, something I can't imagine anyone else doing. MJ probably had a better overall playoff career, though.

[TmacsRockets]

Tmac needs to be in that list.

Dude's playoffs numbers speak for themselves.

Kobe's drop.


Playoffs

Kobe Bryant
24.3 ppg, 44.5% fg, 32.5% 3pt FG, 5.0 rpg, 4.6 apg, 1.3 spg, 0.7 bpg, 2.9 tpg

Vince Carter
25.9 ppg, 41.8% fg, 33.2% 3 pt FG, 6.9 rpg, 5.2 apg, 1.5 spg, 0.9 bpg, 2.7 tpg


Vince's playoff numbers are much better than Kobe as is his PER.

[TmacsRockets]

Jordan is easily the best playoff performer. He has 5 finals series in the top 15 all time. He has the highest scoring average ever in the finals at 33.6. He has the highest finals series scoring average ever at 41 ppg. He has the highest playoff scoring average ever at 33.4 ppg and no one else has ever even averaged 30 ppg for their career in the playoffs. He also has the highest PER ever in the playoffs and the most win shares ever. Not only that he has the most finals MVP's as well.

[NBASTATMAN]

:oldlol:

Larry Bird 4%

Kobe Bryant 34%

LeBron James 17%

Magic Johnson 5%

Michael Jordan 41%



THE FACT THAT MJ IS STILL FIRST IS CRAZY.. He hasn't played in the playoffs in ten years and he is still considered the best.. In all reality I would say it is this order...


MJ
MAGIC
BIRD
SHAQ
DUNCAN
WADE
KOBE
LEBRON
MANU
TONY PARKER

[Trash]

Jordan is easily the best playoff performer. He has 5 finals series in the top 15 all time. He has the highest scoring average ever in the finals at 33.6. He has the highest finals series scoring average ever at 41 ppg. He has the highest playoff scoring average ever at 33.4 ppg and no one else has ever even averaged 30 ppg for their career in the playoffs. He also has the highest PER ever in the playoffs and the most win shares ever. Not only that he has the most finals MVP's as well.
:applause:

Anyone who thinks that Jordan isn't the greatest mother****er to ever play this game should be kicked in the mouth and laughed at.

Michael Jordan is a basketball god on a level that none of the losers like Wilt, Russell, Magic, Oscar, LeBron, Kobe, Shaq, Kareem and other "legends" will ever see in their dreams.

I can't tell you just how hard I laugh when people say "Magic is the GOAT" or "Wilt/Russell/Kareem are certainly candidates for GOAT" and other BS.

If you don't believe Jordan is the greatest basketball player you'll ever witness in your entire lifetime, you should be beaten.

[NBASTATMAN]

The 24 straight points against he Pistons was pretty impressive, but yeah, it's still too early for Lebron. And Kobe at 38% is just absurd; Kobe's a great player and he's had some good series, but there's not even a consensus that he raises his game in the playoffs, much less is some kind of clutch superstar like MJ, Bird, Shaq, or Magic.

If I had to pick someone from that list, it'd probably be Magic, just based on him coming in and playing center in the last game of the series agains the 76ers when he won his first ring, something I can't imagine anyone else doing. MJ probably had a better overall playoff career, though.



Tim Legler spoke about mj being the best ever and the biggest thing I thought he said was the fact that MJ always came up big in the big stage.. Never did he dissapoint.. And to me that was a clear knock on guys like Kobe, Lebron and others..... Only one MJ,, lots of copiesssssss.....

[Psileas]

Uhhh, BULLS is back, with his most suitable username yet. My ignore list has overflown with his aliases.

[bruceblitz]

Well if you say that Lebron doesnt increase his production during playoff time the same can be said about Larry Bird. You contradicted yourself by using Larry Bird as an example. The only thing Larry Bird increased come playoff time is his FT by 0.4% , his rebounds by 0.3 and his assists by 0.2

Lebron increased his FT by 0.5% , his rebs by 1.0 and his assists by 0.6

Larry Bird dropped his production in ppg, FG% and 3pt%. Lebron dropped only in FG% and 3pt%. So yeah i think its safe to say that Lebron increases his production come playoff time more than Larry Bird did.
LeBron regular season career: 27.5ppg, 47.0%fg, 73.7%ft, 32.7%3pt, 7reb, 6.7ast
LeBron playoffs career: 27.5ppg, 43.3%fg, 74.2%ft, 28.8%3pt, 8reb, 7.3ast
LeBron's fg% drops nearly 4%, that's huge.
Larry Bird career regular season: 24.3ppg, 49.6%fg, 88.6%ft, 37.6%3pt, 10reb, 6.3ast
Larry Bird career playoffs: 23.8ppg, 47.2%fg, 89%ft, 32.1%3pt, 10.3reb, 6.5ast
Larry's fg% drops 2% and his ppg drops .5ppg, hardly as much of a dropoff in efficiency as LeBron. Just calling it as I see it. LeBron is still young and can change that. You gotta remember that Larry's years playing with a bad back are in those averages too.

[Trash]

I can’t see anything posted by trolls under the age of 13... hence the reason why I can’t see anything posted by Psileas (it's called the ignore list).

Psileas is one of those people who should be kicked in the mouth for believing Wilt “I wilted under pressure” Chamberlain was better than Michael “What couldn’t I do?” Jordan.

[Richie2k6]

Oh my Lord...

[shadow]

good ggrief....anyone who voted in that poll for Kobe or LeBron over Magic and Larry needs to be hanged, then shot while being impaled by spear.
I guess atleast they got #1 right.

[Torious]

Clearly it must be LeBronski who never won a 'chip or Kobe, who had Shaq to do the heavy lifting during his championship seasons. :hammerhead:

[Riker]

He hasn't played in the playoffs in ten years

I'm saying that all this time, he's so overrated, he didn't even get NEAR the playoffs in the last 10 years and people talk about him as some greatest player?



Where was he last year in the playoffs? :no:

[Cyclone112]

I'm saying that all this time, he's so overrated, he didn't even get NEAR the playoffs in the last 10 years and people talk about him as some greatest player?



Where was he last year in the playoffs? :no:

I can't believe I actually LOLED at one of riker's posts. Someone please punish me.

[Godfather]

**** those kids voting for fan night.

They always choose Laker games and now this...

[Riker]

I can't believe I actually LOLED at one of riker's posts. Someone please punish me.

*writes down another fan/follower

[plowking]

**** those kids voting for fan night.

They always choose Laker games and now this...

You were probably one of the kids who voted for Lebron...

[Godfather]

You were probably one of the kids who voted for Lebron...

No sorry I voted for Michael Jordan you ******.

LeBron doesn't belong anywhere near that list.

[plowking]

No sorry I voted for Michael Jordan you ******.

LeBron doesn't belong anywhere near that list.

You don't have to lie. Your secret is safe here.

[Godfather]

You don't have to lie. Your secret is safe here.

STFU...

Michael Jordan is the most clutch player to ever step forth on Hardwood...he has 6 NBA titles and a record 6 Finals MVPs...

The only players comparable are Bird, Magic, Shaq, Duncan, and Kareem...

Kobe, Wade, and LeBron...especially Wade and LeBron aren't even near that list.

Now go jack off to some STD 3 pics...bitch.

[Dresta]

terrible poll lol

[Trash]

STFU...

Michael Jordan is the most clutch player to ever step forth on Hardwood...he has 6 NBA titles and a record 6 Finals MVPs...

The only players comparable are Bird, Magic, Shaq, Duncan, and Kareem...

Kobe, Wade, and LeBron...especially Wade and LeBron aren't even near that list.

Now go jack off to some STD 3 pics...bitch.
Put down the crack pipe and go watch some video of 80s/90s ball. Bird, Magic, Shaq, Duncan and Kareem are nobodies in NBA history. Ask some non NBA fan if he has a clue who those chumps are. What do you think this fool's answer is? It's NO.

LeBron James is a complete scrub compared to Michael Jordan. Tell me when this guy shoots better than 25% against a fat Paul Pierce and better than 35% in the Finals. Yeah, future GOAT my butt! :roll: :roll: :roll:

Kobe Bryant is another Finals choker being hyped up for no reason by today's media.

LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Kobe Bryant = products of a weak, pathetic, TRASH era.

Jordan = greatness.

[Riker]

LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Kobe Bryant = products of a weak, pathetic, TRASH era.

*LeBron23 and his fellow thread friends sense the disturbance in the force

*discovering this thread

*locking down

*forming for attack

*3.....2.........1..............:eek:

[PoGoMon]

:applause:

Anyone who thinks that Jordan isn't the greatest mother****er to ever play this game should be kicked in the mouth and laughed at.

Michael Jordan is a basketball god on a level that none of the losers like Wilt, Russell Magic, Oscar, LeBron, Kobe, Shaq, Kareem and other "legends" will ever see in their dreams.

I can't tell you just how hard I laugh when people say "Magic is the GOAT" or "Wilt/Russell/Kareem are certainly candidates for GOAT" and other BS.

If you don't believe Jordan is the greatest basketball player you'll ever witness in your entire lifetime, you should be beaten.

I think Jordan is the greatest all around player, but to say that Russell = 11 rings in 12 years and/or Magic Johnson with his 5 rings are LOSERS shows how "intellectually challenged" some people are. :rolleyes:

[Trash]

I think Jordan is the greatest all around player, but to say that Russell = 11 rings in 12 years and/or Magic Johnson with his 5 rings are LOSERS shows how "intellectually challenged" some people are. :rolleyes:
Russell and Magic are both overrated. Russell won 11 titles in a weak/sissy era for women while Magic won his in a league without Jordan's best Bulls (prime Pippen + Grant or Pippen/Kukoc/Rodman).

Magic and Bird are only considered "winners" because Jordan was on his own for the first 4 years of his career.

Does anyone doubt that Jordan wins 8 titles with a frontline of McHale/Parish or Kareem as his center? Hahahahaha!!!

Please... Michael Jordan should be worshipped by every basketball fan in the world. It's common knowledge that the '96 and '92 Bulls are the top 2 teams in NBA history not because of "depth" or "frontcourt" play or any of that, but because of Jordan and the enough defensive help he had.

People who think TRASH like the 86 Celtics and 87 Lakers belong in the same discussion as the 96 Bulls should stick a pencil up their nose...

[Godfather]

Put down the crack pipe and go watch some video of 80s/90s ball. Bird, Magic, Shaq, Duncan and Kareem are nobodies in NBA history. Ask some non NBA fan if he has a clue who those chumps are. What do you think this fool's answer is? It's NO.

LeBron James is a complete scrub compared to Michael Jordan. Tell me when this guy shoots better than 25% against a fat Paul Pierce and better than 35% in the Finals. Yeah, future GOAT my butt! :roll: :roll: :roll:

Kobe Bryant is another Finals choker being hyped up for no reason by today's media.

LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Kobe Bryant = products of a weak, pathetic, TRASH era.

Jordan = greatness.
Are you illiterate? Please read my post again child.



STFU...

Michael Jordan is the most clutch player to ever step forth on Hardwood...he has 6 NBA titles and a record 6 Finals MVPs...

The only players comparable are Bird, Magic, Shaq, Duncan, and Kareem...

Kobe, Wade, and LeBron...especially Wade and LeBron aren't even near that list.

Now go jack off to some STD 3 pics...bitch.

[Trash]

Anyways, I can safely say that Michael Jordan is not only the greatest playoff performer/overall player ever, but that anyone who suggests otherwise needs to seriously think about following another sport instead of this one.

Silly kids today have you thinking that LeBron freaking James is on his way to becoming the GOAT (:oldlol:), but those of us who started watching before 2004 know not to take these scrub kids seriously.

Then you got dudes saying Dwyane Wade and Kobe Bryant are the "closest things" to Jordan that we've ever seen. Yeah, someone has to be close... that doesn't mean they're anything.

You guys just need to get over it... Jordan was way better than Wilt, Kareem, Magic, Oscar, Russell, LeBron, Kobe, Duncan, etc. He's in a league of his own.

You'll never see anyone greater.

/thread.

[Alpha Wolf]

Anyways, I can safely say that Michael Jordan is not only the greatest playoff performer/overall player ever, but that anyone who suggests otherwise needs to seriously think about following another sport instead of this one.

Silly kids today have you thinking that LeBron freaking James is on his way to becoming the GOAT (:oldlol:), but those of us who started watching before 2004 know not to take these scrub kids seriously.

Then you got dudes saying Dwyane Wade and Kobe Bryant are the "closest things" to Jordan that we've ever seen. Yeah, someone has to be close... that doesn't mean they're anything.

You guys just need to get over it... Jordan was way better than Wilt, Kareem, Magic, Oscar, Russell, LeBron, Kobe, Duncan, etc. He's in a league of his own.

You'll never see anyone greater.

/thread.




Kobe > Jordan


Phil Jackson agrees


idiot MJ jockers!

[Riker]

Trash is on his way of getting called

a) troll

b) hater

c) Jordan homer

Clairvoyant I is.


Jordan is basketball, just to comment all of this. Far as I'm concerned, Jumpman logo could be the league logo.

He did generate them 10 billion dollars in his career and made 12038547684850768762 fans worldwide.

I guess Stern is very mad of current equation of pouring more money in the league and still losing viewers.

[Alpha Wolf]

Jordan:

Was he the best shooter ever to play the game? No

Was he the best rebounder ever to play the game? No

Was he the best ball handler ever to play the game? No

Was he the best passer ever to play the game? No

Was he the best defensive player ever to play the game? No



Did he ever make his teammates better? No... Horace Grant and B J Armstrong only made the all star team once each, and that was in 1994, the year Jordan wasn't around to "make them better".

Did Jordan win more championships than anyone who ever played the game? No

Did Jordan ever lead his team to a winning season without having another top-50 NBA player on the team? No... all five of Jordan's Pippen-less teams had losing records.

Did Jordan ever win a playoff series without having a top 50 NBA teammate? No... Jordan made the playoffs three times without Pippen, his career playoff record without Scottie was ONE win and NINE loses.

Does he hold the record for the most consecutive championships won? No... he twice "retired" after a mere 3 titles in a row... the record, of course, is EIGHT, by Bill Russell, who had a REAL killer instinct, as opposed to a manufactured-by-ESPN killer instinct.

Did the Bulls collapse after Jordan unexpectedly retired after the 93 season? No, their win total dropped from 57 to 55, hardly suggesting that they just lost the greatest player of all time.

Did the Bulls defense fall apart after losing Jordan in 1993? No, the 1994 Bulls (without Jordan) gave up FEWER points per game than the 1993 Bulls (with Jordan) and also held their opponents to a LOWER field goal percentage than the '93 Bulls. This is hardly indicative of the ESPN-generated consensus that Jordan was the best defensive player in the game.

Did the Bulls get out of the first round when they had Pippen, but no Jordan? Yes, as opposed to when they had Jordan without Pippen, in which case they were always knocked out in the first round.

So what was it that Jordan was actually the best at?
A: Marketing... he was the best, no question about it...and no one is even close... as far as marketing goes

[LA_Showtime]

Anyone else think this "Trash" guy is Bruceblitz?

[Hedake]

Kobe and Lebron are the 2 most dominant players in the league right now.

[Lebron23]

Anyone else think this "Trash" guy is Bruceblitz?


Trash = BULLS, Riker, and Poseidon.

[Riker]

Trash = BULLS, Riker, and Poseidon.

You're obsessed with me and I'm genuinely afraid.

[Heilige]

Trash is BULLS, 52253, STIFF, etc,etc.


Though, he hates Kobe now? :confusedshrug:

[sic]

MJ
Bird
Wade
Shaq
Duncan

those are 5 ppl who are better right off the top of my head.

i agree. Kobe should not be on the list

[Maniak]

You're obsessed with me and I'm genuinely afraid.

You better run!

Oh, and Trash is...well...trash.

[OldSchoolBBall]

Jordan:

Was he the best shooter ever to play the game? No

Was he the best rebounder ever to play the game? No

Was he the best ball handler ever to play the game? No

Was he the best passer ever to play the game? No

Was he the best defensive player ever to play the game? No



Did he ever make his teammates better? No... Horace Grant and B J Armstrong only made the all star team once each, and that was in 1994, the year Jordan wasn't around to "make them better".

Did Jordan win more championships than anyone who ever played the game? No

Did Jordan ever lead his team to a winning season without having another top-50 NBA player on the team? No... all five of Jordan's Pippen-less teams had losing records.

Did Jordan ever win a playoff series without having a top 50 NBA teammate? No... Jordan made the playoffs three times without Pippen, his career playoff record without Scottie was ONE win and NINE loses.

Does he hold the record for the most consecutive championships won? No... he twice "retired" after a mere 3 titles in a row... the record, of course, is EIGHT, by Bill Russell, who had a REAL killer instinct, as opposed to a manufactured-by-ESPN killer instinct.

Did the Bulls collapse after Jordan unexpectedly retired after the 93 season? No, their win total dropped from 57 to 55, hardly suggesting that they just lost the greatest player of all time.

Did the Bulls defense fall apart after losing Jordan in 1993? No, the 1994 Bulls (without Jordan) gave up FEWER points per game than the 1993 Bulls (with Jordan) and also held their opponents to a LOWER field goal percentage than the '93 Bulls. This is hardly indicative of the ESPN-generated consensus that Jordan was the best defensive player in the game.

Did the Bulls get out of the first round when they had Pippen, but no Jordan? Yes, as opposed to when they had Jordan without Pippen, in which case they were always knocked out in the first round.

So what was it that Jordan was actually the best at?
A: Marketing... he was the best, no question about it...and no one is even close... as far as marketing goes

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Trash]

Kobe > Jordan


Phil Jackson agrees


idiot MJ jockers!
I gotta tell you man... I used to be a pretty big Kobe supporter, but I thought I had enough after last year's Finals choke job.

Then I decided I'd give him one more try, see what he does the season after that.

And now it's clear to me that the guy is DONE and nothing but an overrated product of the 2000s media. He's really nothing more than Drexler.

The same can be said for other chumps like LeBron James, another pathetic playoff performer who somehow has the "potential" to become GOAT, and Dwyane Wade... another flashy guard who rode Shaq to a title.

Today's era is WEAK!

[magi]

:oldlol: Where's Bill Russell? You know the man who led his team to 10 championships?

[NBASTATMAN]

I'm saying that all this time, he's so overrated, he didn't even get NEAR the playoffs in the last 10 years and people talk about him as some greatest player?



Where was he last year in the playoffs? :no:


Yea where was he... LOL:cheers:

[Psileas]

Trash is BULLS, 52253, STIFF, etc,etc.


Though, he hates Kobe now?

Trash hates or is indifferent about pretty much anyone not named Jordan and diminishes every notable thing achieved by any player or team other than Jordan/90's Bulls (much like k24pah for Kobe). He never cared about Kobe, either. He just used his name to compare him favorably to players who played before he (trash) was even an embryo (pre-90's). If Jordan could ever see the level of some of his so-called "fans" (not everyone of course, he has lots of sensible fans, as well), he would shake his head in disgust.

[oh the horror]

I swear to God, that "weak era" point that people try to make is the worst fu*king point in sports, ever.


I hate it with a passion, its a silly argument. HOW DO YOU KNOW it was a weak era? Based on what? STATS ALONE?


Those were GROWN ASS MEN out there playing ball, not children.


As a matter of fact, THAT was an era that men walked onto a court, no doctors, no nutrition specialists, heatpacks, etc.....they played in crappy shoes....and they just played the game, TO PLAY THE GAME.



So some of you, trying to make LAME ASS SORRY points with that "weak era" BS, need to step off and leave basketball to us fans, us REAL fans, the purest fans that appreciate ALL the eras of basketball and what men ACCOMPLISHED IN EACH ERA.....us fans who RESPECT it.


Some of you shouldnt be watching sports, you have no idea WTF youre talking about.

[Trash]

I swear to God, that "weak era" point that people try to make is the worst fu*king point in sports, ever.


I hate it with a passion, its a silly argument. HOW DO YOU KNOW it was a weak era? Based on what? STATS ALONE?


Those were GROWN ASS MEN out there playing ball, not children.


As a matter of fact, THAT was an era that men walked onto a court, no doctors, no nutrition specialists, heatpacks, etc.....they played in crappy shoes....and they just played the game, TO PLAY THE GAME.



So some of you, trying to make LAME ASS SORRY points with that "weak era" BS, need to step off and leave basketball to us fans, us REAL fans, the purest fans that appreciate ALL the eras of basketball and what men ACCOMPLISHED IN EACH ERA.....us fans who RESPECT it.


Some of you shouldnt be watching sports, you have no idea WTF youre talking about.
I'll tell you what a weak era was.

50s, 60s, 70s, 00s.

^^ You see those up there. Those were weak eras, times when the league was so pathetic that you just had to wonder whether it was worth your time to watch a game.

Late 80s = legendary, stacked with talent at the guard positions, stacked overall teams.

90s = greatest centers and athletes ever (centers = most dominant players = toughest to beat yet Jordan clowned them all with a weak frontcourt), most athletic players ever (Hakeem/Robinson = legendary athlete Cs, Kemp = GOAT PF athlete and Malone = fitness freak, Pippen = 40+ inch vertical/nasty sprinting speed, Jordan = top 3 athlete ever).

The other eras sucked.

[bruceblitz]

:wtf:
Jordan:Did he ever make his teammates better? No... Horace Grant and B J Armstrong only made the all star team once each, and that was in 1994, the year Jordan wasn't around to "make them better".
Despite the fact that Phil Jackson talked in a Jordan documentary how Jordan taught Pippen so much about the game of basketball, and his influences on Pippens development were clearly evident.


Did Jordan win more championships than anyone who ever played the game? No
So you rank Bill Russell #1?


Did Jordan ever lead his team to a winning season without having another top-50 NBA player on the team? No... all five of Jordan's Pippen-less teams had losing records. Did Jordan ever win a playoff series without having a top 50 NBA teammate? No... Jordan made the playoffs three times without Pippen, his career playoff record without Scottie was ONE win and NINE loses.
Really, Jordan took over a 27 win team(bulls won 27 games year before MJ was drafted) and took them to the playoffs his rookie year, the Bulls reached the playoffs every single year Jordan was on the team.



Does he hold the record for the most consecutive championships won? No... he twice "retired" after a mere 3 titles in a row... the record, of course, is EIGHT, by Bill Russell, who had a REAL killer instinct, as opposed to a manufactured-by-ESPN killer instinct..
Oh yes, I'm sure you are about 73 years old and watched Bill Russell's entire career, including his college years, lmfao!!! 44% shooting big man...his epic failure of a weakness. Still top 10 of all time nonetheless.


Did the Bulls collapse after Jordan unexpectedly retired after the 93 season? No, their win total dropped from 57 to 55, hardly suggesting that they just lost the greatest player of all time..Did the Bulls get out of the first round when they had Pippen, but no Jordan? Yes, as opposed to when they had Jordan without Pippen, in which case they were always knocked out in the first round.
I love this argument because you FAIL to point out that MY BULLS were struggling to stay over .500 in the 94-95 season, and when Jordan came back to the Bulls we won 76% of the rest of the games in the regular season, won 72 games the following year. LMFAO! EPIC FAIL! 0 championships without Mike, 6 with him.


Jordan won 10 scoring titles, name one guy with more?
Jordan won 6 finals MVP's in 6 trys, name one guy who has won more?
Jordan averaged 30.12ppg for his career in the regular season, name one guy who averaged more?
Jordan averaged 33.45ppg in the playoffs for his career, name one guy who averaged more?
Jordan shot 51.5% as a Chicago Bull, as a SHOOTING GUARD and was in the top echelon as far as shooting percentage, in the NBA, in his prime, with a shot % that was better than MOST BIGS WHO PLAY 2-8 FEET FROM THE RIM! LMFAO!

NAME A SCORING CHAMPION WHO ALSO WON DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR AWARD THAT YEAR, LOL.

I CAN KEEP GOING!

:cheers:

[bruceblitz]

Anyone else think this "Trash" guy is Bruceblitz?
I give any mod permission to reveal if that person "trash" has the same IP address as me, because he doesn't, I only have ONE screen name on here. Period.

[Vragrant]

I remember last night on NBA TV, Gary Payton and Chris Webber were clowing the results from this poll..............

Its absolutely ridiculous

[PoGoMon]

[QUOTE=magi

[plowking]

I gotta tell you man... I used to be a pretty big Kobe supporter, but I thought I had enough after last year's Finals choke job.

Then I decided I'd give him one more try, see what he does the season after that.

And now it's clear to me that the guy is DONE and nothing but an overrated product of the 2000s media. He's really nothing more than Drexler.

The same can be said for other chumps like LeBron James, another pathetic playoff performer who somehow has the "potential" to become GOAT, and Dwyane Wade... another flashy guard who rode Shaq to a title.

Today's era is WEAK!

Wade carried Shaq.

35ppg compared to Shaq's 11ppg.

[oh the horror]

Wade carried Shaq.

35ppg compared to Shaq's 11ppg.



Yes, but in reality, Wade wouldnt have won that ring without Shaq in the middle. It does go beyond his stats in that series. You wouldnt agree??

[Alpha Wolf]

I give any mod permission to reveal if that person "trash" has the same IP address as me, because he doesn't, I only have ONE screen name on here. Period.


Hey "Bruce B"...hows the Fake Wrestling going........maybe you'll get a gig now that "Midget wrestling" is starting to get popular again.....aren't you like 5'4"?....

[bruceblitz]

Hey "Bruce B"...hows the Fake Wrestling going........maybe you'll get a gig now that "Midget wrestling" is starting to get popular again.....aren't you like 5'4"?....
Jordan is the GOAT. Period.

1981 Breaks record at McDonald's All-American game by scoring 30 points

1982= hits game winner for North Carolina, jumps into pass lane on defense forcing Sleepy Floyd to turn the ball over to James Worthy.

1983 = UNC choked in the NCAA tourney despite having the #2 seed, not Jordan

1984 = 1984 Named college Player of the Year. 1984 Wins Olympic gold medal as the leader of the U.S. basketball team. UNC choked again in the sweet 16 despite having the #1 seed, not Jordan

1985 = joined Chicago, who only won 27 games the year before, and led the franchise to 38 games and the playoff's. 1985 Named NBA Rookie of the Year.

1986 = Took the Celtics to a 3rd game rubber match, (yes kids only 3 game series at that point in NBA history), scored 63 points on the team that went on to win the championship that year, the Celtics were the #1 rated defense in the NBA, Jordan took them to their limit, despite Orlando Woolridge shooing 9-27 in the game, Jordan still kept the Bulls in it.

1987 = Jordan wins scoring title while making 48.2%(37.1ppg) of his shot attempts, Winner Slam Dunk Contest, Named NBA Most Valuable Player, Named NBA Defensive Player of the Year, Named to the NBA All-Defensive First Team, Named to the All-NBA First Team, back in the playoffs again. Jordan averaged over 40 points per game for over half of this season.

1988 = Jordan wins scoring title while making 53.5% of his shot attempts, Wins Slam Dunk Contest, Named NBA Most Valuable Player, Named NBA All-Star Games Most Valuable Player, Pippen was still developing, the help around Jordan was limited, lost to the eventual world champs in the playoffs, still got them to the playoffs

1989 = Jordan wins scoring title while making 53.8% of his shot attempts, Named to the All-NBA First Team, Named to the NBA All-Defensive First Team, Jordan and his teammates had a decent showing against the Pistons, Jordan did everything he could, the cast around him hadn't developed enough to beat a stacked team like Detroit.

1990 = Jordan wins scoring title while making 52.6% of his shot attempts, Named to the All-NBA First Team, Named to the NBA All-Defensive First Team, Once again ran into the Detroit buzzsaw, but still led the Bulls to the playoffs.

1991 = Jordan wins scoring title while making 53.9% of his shot attempts, Named NBA Most Valuable Player, Named to the All-NBA First Team, Named to the NBA All-Defensive First Team, Leads Chicago Bulls to their first NBA title. In the 1991 NBA Finals Jordan posted per game averages of 31.2 points on 56% shooting from the field, 11.4 assists, 6.6 rebounds, 2.8 steals and 1.4 blocks. Jordan won his first NBA Finals MVP award by a unanimous decision, and he cried while holding the NBA Finals trophy.

1992 = Jordan wins scoring title while making 51.9% of his shot attempts, Named NBA Most Valuable Player, Named to the All-NBA First Team, Named to the NBA All-Defensive First Team, Wins Olympic gold medal with U.S. basketball team, leads bulls to back-to-back titles. In the 1992 NBA Finals Jordan was named Finals MVP for the second year in a row and finished the series averaging 35.8 ppg, 4.8 rpg, and 6.5 apg, 1.67 steals, .33 blocks while shooting 53% from the floor.

1993 = Jordan wins scoring title while making 49.5% of his shot attempts, Named to the All-NBA First Team, Named to the NBA All-Defensive First Team, Leads bulls to their 3rd straight championship, In the 1993 NBA Finals Jordan averaged a Finals-record 41.0 ppg during the six-game series, 8.5 rebounds, 6.3 assists, .67 blocks, 1.67steals, and became the first player in NBA history to win three straight Finals MVP awards. Jordan scored more than 30 points in every game of the series, including 40 or more points in 4 consecutive games, an NBA finals record which has never been threatened.

1995 = BULLS were struggling to stay over .500 in the 94-95 season, and when Jordan came back to the Bulls we won 76% of the rest of the games in the regular season, won 72 games the following year.

1996 = Jordan wins scoring title, past his athletic prime, while making 49.5% of his shot attempts, Named NBA Most Valuable Player, Named to the All-NBA First Team, Named to the NBA All-Defensive First Team, Named one of the 50 Greatest Players in NBA History, Named NBA All-Star Games Most Valuable Player. Leads Bulls to their 4th championship of Jordan's career as leader of the team. In the 1996 Finals Jordan averaged 27.3 points, 5.3 rebounds, 4.16 assists, 1.67 steals, .17 blocks per game in the 1996 NBA Finals vs Seattle. Jordan won the Finals MVP trophy. (Dennis Rodman, great defender, even though Gary Payton beat him out for defensive player of the year award and Dennis Rodman's prime was in the 80's, Rodman was a liability on offense, still contributed with defense and rebounding.)

1997 = Jordan wins scoring title, past his athletic prime, while making 48.6% of his shot attempts, Named to the All-NBA First Team, Named to the NBA All-Defensive First Team, Leads Bulls to 5th championship as the leader of the team, In the 1997 Finals Jordan averaged 32.3 points, 7 rebounds, 6 assists, .83 blocks, 1.17 steals per game in the 1997 NBA finals against the Utah Jazz. Jordan won the Finals MVP trophy.

1998 = Jordan wins scoring title, past his athletic prime, while making 46.5% of his shot attempts, Named NBA Most Valuable Player, Named to the All-NBA First Team, Named to the NBA All-Defensive First Team, Named NBA All-Star Games Most Valuable Player, led Bulls to 6th championship as leader of the team, In the 1998 Finals Jordan averaged 33.5 points, 4 rebounds, 2.3 assists, .67 steals, .67 blocks per game in the 1998 NBA finals against the Utah Jazz. Jordan won the Finals MVP trophy.

-Jordan was 6 for 6 in NBA Finals appearances and 6 for 6 with Finals MVP awards


2001 - 02 = MJ comes out of retirement to play for the Wizards, Jordan was 8 years removed from his prime.

ALL-TIME SCORING RECORDS:
1st Place: MJ, 24 scoring records
2nd Place: Wilt, 18 scoring records
3rd Place: Moot

- Highest career scoring average: MJ 30.12
- Highest career playoff scoring average: MJ 33.4
- Highest career Finals scoring average: MJ 33.6 (min. 15 games)
- Highest single season playoff average: MJ 43.7
- Highest single Finals series average: MJ 41.0
- Most Total Points Playoffs: MJ 5987
- Most seasons leading league in scoring: MJ 10
- Most seasons leading league in total points: MJ 11
- Most consecutive seasons leading in scoring: MJ, Wilt tied at 7
- Most 50 point games playoffs: MJ 8
- Most 40 point games playoffs: MJ 38
- Most 30 point games: MJ 563
- Most 30 point games playoffs: MJ 109
- Most consecutive 50 point games playoffs: MJ 2
- Most consecutive 45 point games playoffs: MJ 3
- Most consecutive 40 point games finals: MJ 4
- Most consecutive 30 point games finals: MJ 9
- Most consecutive 20 point games playoffs: MJ 60
- Most consecutive 20 point games finals: MJ 35
- Most consecutive double figures scoring: MJ 866
- Highest scoring game playoffs: MJ 63
- Most points in one half finals: MJ 35
- Oldest to score 50: MJ 51 at age 38
- Oldest to score 40: MJ 43 at age 40

Jordan won 10 scoring titles, 6 he won while making over 50% of his shots, Jordan led the league in steals, Jordan was the best shot blocking guard, Jordan won 14 combined MVP's (3 all star, 5 league, 6 finals). Jordan averaged 33, 6, and 6 in the Finals for his career.
Doug Collins decided to move Jordan to the point guard spot against Seattle on March 11, 1989. He finished that game with 15 assists. Two days later, he had a game of 21/14/14 against the Pacers in just 30 minutes of playing time in a 32-point blowout win. He reached the triple double mark in just 21 minutes. Jordan continued to play at the PG spot until the end of the season. In these 24 games he averaged 29.3ppg, 8.9rpg, 10.6 apg, 2.4spg. Between March 24 and April 14, 1989, he recorded a triple double in ten of the eleven games, including seven consecutive ones. In the game he didn't record a triple double, he finished with 40 points, 11 assists and 7 rebounds. The hands down greatest of all time, anyone disputing this is a misinformed individual.

Jordan averaged 31.5ppg on 51.5% shooting when he wore a Bulls uniform while leading the league in scoring 10 times.

[206kid]

Reggie Miller anyone? Lebron shouldn't even be in the top 15. Lebron is a great player but he isn't a top 5 playoff performer. He is known to be a choke artist.

Kobe is a better pick than Lebron on that list. I mean Kobe did take over in the Finals vs. the Pacers and had some great games in the playoffs like against the Suns.

Wade should be way above Kobe and Lebron. Not only did he avg. 35 a game in the Finals don't forgot against the Pistons he was dominating as well. Even in 05 when Shaq wasn't playing against the Nets Wade took over that series against the Nets without Shaq sweeping Richard Jefferson, Jason Kidd, and Vince Carter by himself in his 2nd year. And if he didn't get hurt in Game 7 against the Pistons who knows he could of won the championship that year too.

My Top 5:

Michael Jordan
Larry Bird
Magic Johnson
Tim Duncan
Reggie Miller/Dwyane Wade
_____________
Shaq

[Lebron23]

Reggie Miller anyone? Lebron shouldn't even be in the top 15. Lebron is a great player but he isn't a top 5 playoff performer. He is known to be a choke artist.

Kobe is a better pick than Lebron on that list. I mean Kobe did take over in the Finals vs. the Pacers and had some great games in the playoffs like against the Suns.





Are you an idiot? Kobe Bryant averaged 15 ppg in the 2000 NBA Finals.

[magi]

Reggie Miller anyone? Lebron shouldn't even be in the top 15. Lebron is a great player but he isn't a top 5 playoff performer. He is known to be a choke artist.

Kobe is a better pick than Lebron on that list. I mean Kobe did take over in the Finals vs. the Pacers and had some great games in the playoffs like against the Suns.

Wade should be way above Kobe and Lebron. Not only did he avg. 35 a game in the Finals don't forgot against the Pistons he was dominating as well. Even in 05 when Shaq wasn't playing against the Nets Wade took over that series against the Nets without Shaq sweeping Richard Jefferson, Jason Kidd, and Vince Carter by himself in his 2nd year. And if he didn't get hurt in Game 7 against the Pistons who knows he could of won the championship that year too.

My Top 5:

Michael Jordan
Larry Bird
Magic Johnson
Tim Duncan
Reggie Miller/Dwyane Wade
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Shaq

Unbelievable, you're going to put a dude who played in like 2-3 post-seasons over a guy like Bill Russel.

Or better yet Shaquille O'Neal.

[bruceblitz]

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[ArbitraryWater]

Jerry West, eh... lost how many times in the finals? The rest are great choices, especially the often overlooked Worthy. Guy really upped the ante when it counted the most, Lebron needs to watch old game tape of him to see how a SF plays in the post.

:ohwell:

Jerry West 1963 NBA finals; 29.5ppg / 6.8rpg / 4.5apg on 49%

Lack of killer instinct.

Jerry West 1968 NBA finals: 31.3ppg / 5.8rpg / 5.3apg on 51.4% FG

Just didn

[TheMan]

Jesus..
Kids are stupid...confirmed.