May 2-Manny Pacquiao vs Ricky Hatton

[BALLin01]

http://s.bebo.com/app-image/7928590091/5411656627/PROFILE/i.quizzaz.com/img/q/u/08/04/18/ricky-hatton280x390.jpg

vs

http://www.seatwave.com/filestore/SEASON/IMAGE/manny-pacquiao_002575_1_MainPicture.jpg

Who will win?

[Posterize246]

http://gamerzgalore.net/images/articles/pacman.jpg

[jc23]

http://gamerzgalore.net/images/articles/pacman.jpg
Agreed.

I love Hatton but he really doesn't match up to well, he didn't handle Floyd good and Pac is close to the same fighter Mayweather is, just a more aggressive.

[Jordandunk23]

MANNY PACQUIAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.topnews.in/files/ph-flag_0.jpg

[BrooklynZoo]

i really dont know why hatton gets all these big fights aside from the fact that hes a big draw.. but i guess thats reason enough

[hateraid]

The world wants Pac to win so it can set up what possibly be one of the greatest boxing matches in history. When was the last time the best PFP fighters 1a and 1b ever squared off?

[Lebron23]

If Pacman beats Ricky " The Wrestler" Hatton. His next opponent is Current World Weatherweight Champion Miguel Angel Cotto.

[BrooklynZoo]

If Pacman beats Ricky " The Wrestler" Hatton. His next opponent is Current World Weatherweight Champion Miguel Angel Cotto.

no, it should be PBF... Cotto is also considerably bigger than Manny so that would probably be tough for him

[Lebron23]

no, it should be PBF... Cotto is also considerably bigger than Manny so that would probably be tough for him


Pacman vs. PBF should happen this year. But if Floyd come's back to boxing I want to see him have a match with Sugar Shane Mosley.

The Winner of the Cotto- Pacquiao vs. The Winner of the Mosley-Mayweather.

[Dasher]

I am not really excited for this fight, as I only view it as a tune-up fight for Manny. The real payday will be Manny vs. Floyd. Floyd Sr. is truly the most interesting figure in his bout, as he has become both my favorite trainer and boxing personality over the last few years. I expect Hatton initially come out crisp, and showing off the lessons that Sr. taught him, but as the fight drags on his old habits will resurface, and he will get tagged relentlessly by Manny. Rounds 1-5 will be close and tough to call, but Manny will dominate 6-12.

[JtotheIzzo]

Hatton is overrated. The British press is so huge everywhere outside of North America and its hype machine is on point. Every World Cup, every Euro Championship we hear about this being England's year. Tim Henman was all the rage every GS and he never did Sh*t, same with Jensen Button.

If I was a pugilist, I'd find a way to get a British passport, Lennox Lewis had it figured out. Pay day.

[Dasher]

The chanting that Ricky's fans do during his bouts makes me want to slide into the ring and give him a two-piece and a biscuit. It is cunty, if that is a word. His fixed fight against Juan Lazcano, which was his tune-up fight before the Paulie Malignaggi fight. Ricky was completely outclassed by a journeyman who had not fought professionally in years, but he got a home-cooked victory. Paulie was also beaten senseless on the undercard and was awarded a victory, to set up a nice comeback bout for Ricky.

[lefthook00]

I am not really excited for this fight, as I only view it as a tune-up fight for Manny. The real payday will be Manny vs. Floyd. Floyd Sr. is truly the most interesting figure in his bout, as he has become both my favorite trainer and boxing personality over the last few years. I expect Hatton initially come out crisp, and showing off the lessons that Sr. taught him, but as the fight drags on his old habits will resurface, and he will get tagged relentlessly by Manny. Rounds 1-5 will be close and tough to call, but Manny will dominate 6-12.

Mayweather Sr. might be the funniest person alive. Unintentionally. Love that guy.

[GOBB]

I wanna watch but not if the fans do that annoying shyt. Sounds like a soccer match.


i really dont know why hatton gets all these big fights aside from the fact that hes a big draw.. but i guess thats reason enough

Duh. :oldlol:

[Posterize246]

I wanna watch but not if the fans do that annoying shyt. Sounds like a soccer match.



Duh. :oldlol:
It's in Vegas isn't it?? Hopefully not as many there.

[halffttime]

this has potential for fight of the year.. 2 relentless figthers.. plus you got a solid chin from hatton thats gonna be constantly running into pacquiao's straight left.. CAAAAAAAAANNOT WAIT! :rolleyes:

manny by tko, round 9.

[NOHCP3]

Manny in round 8 tko. Hatton is strong but his bullish style is going to get him kod in this one. Pac man is at the top of his game...


Sidebar Floyd Sr. is ripped! Its almost a little nasty! For a man his age and that ugly thats crazy!

[Dasher]

It's in Vegas isn't it?? Hopefully not as many there.They overran Vegas when Ricky fought Floyd. Even when he was getting sniped by Floyd they refused to stop with their infernal chanting. It made me enjoy the knockout even more than I would have had there been no singing.


Mayweather Sr. might be the funniest person alive. Unintentionally. Love that guy.
He is on a one name basis to me, like Cher or Madonna. If I say Senior, I expect the homies to know who I am talking about.

[InspiredLebowski]

Speaking of Floyd Sr, Jamie Foxx is the spitting image in that new movie The Soloist.

http://filmgordon.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/020608_jamie_fox.jpg

I too expect Manny to win this fight easily. But I know dick about boxing.

[Posterize246]

lets go Pac!

[halffttime]

let's bet reps.. lol

pacquiao tko by 10th round.. anything else you win

[Jordandunk23]

if somebody can somehow find a link tomorrow IT WOULD BE HIGHLY APPRECIATED... WILL REPP

[ROAM.]

manny in less than 9

[halffttime]

if somebody can somehow find a link tomorrow IT WOULD BE HIGHLY APPRECIATED... WILL REPP

http://www.justin.tv/directory/sports/boxing?order=hot&lang=en

they'll have it tommorow, most likely.. my satellite is down so i can't watch it on tv :(

[BALLin01]

Pacquiao for the knockout!

[qrich]

if somebody can somehow find a link tomorrow IT WOULD BE HIGHLY APPRECIATED... WILL REPP

http://www.atdhe.net/#

You are welcome.

[statman32]

Hatton is already laying the foundation for excuses.

[Jordandunk23]

http://www.justin.tv/directory/sports/boxing?order=hot&lang=en

they'll have it tommorow, most likely.. my satellite is down so i can't watch it on tv :(

Repped

[Jordandunk23]

http://www.atdhe.net/#

You are welcome.

Preciate... REP... didn't know atdhe had one...

[RedBlackAttack]

People would be wise not to underrate Hatton. I love watching Manny fight as much as the next guy, but the fact of the matter is, Hatton has only lost one fight in his career and none at 140.

Pacquaio and PBF are absolutely nothing alike in style, so I don't think you can draw anything out of that loss, except that Hatton struggles with expert boxers, which Pac is not. Don't get me wrong... Pac has gotten better in that department and even has added a pretty good right hand to his arsenal, but this is no chump he is going against.

Hatton has a very distinct, unique style that makes this fight very interesting. Pac has fought exactly two fights above 130 and neither of those challengers were physical in fighting style. Hatton, on the other hand, uses his strength as his main weapon.

I'm not saying that Hatton is going to win. Personally, I think Pac will prevail, but I wouldn't be shocked if it were Hatton. Styles make fights and Hatton's style poses matchup problems for a lot of guys.... And a guy moving way up in weight could have a problem with it.

I expect a good fight.

[bdreason]

Manny by decision.

[GOBB]

This is no easy fight for Pac man but i got him winning by TKO.

I wish i was at this fight so i could KO Hattens annoying chanting fanbase.


Ollie Ollie Ollie RICKY RICKY RIIIIIIIIIIIICKY.
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
RIIIIICKY RICKY RICKYYYYY OLLIE OLLIE OLLLIIIIIIE

[Posterize246]

What's Ricky gonna wear on the way to the ring this time? Seen the sombrero, the fat man suit...

[hateraid]

I love seeing the Pacquiao enterouge. It's so Filipino to claim your whole family as part of your training team.

Go Pac.

[Hawker]

Gotta root for Hatton. He's great friends with Oasis.

Liam and Noel brought his belts out one time too.

And GOBB, his fanbase is awesome. It just shows how passionate they are about him.

[hateraid]

Gotta root for Hatton. He's great friends with Oasis.

Liam and Noel brought his belts out one time too.

And GOBB, his fanbase is awesome. It just shows how passionate they are about him.


I've heard stories of Christian Bail and Brad Pitt pay top money just to sit in a Pacquiao closed training session.

Pac fanbase > Hatton fanbase

[Hawker]

I've heard stories of Christian Bail and Brad Pitt pay top money just to sit in a Pacquiao closed training session.

Pac fanbase > Hatton fanbase

Liam and Noel can do that for free! :rockon:

[hateraid]

Liam and Noel can do that for free! :rockon:

Lol, but that's Oasis.

Batman and Tyler Durden are paying to watch dude train. That's way more stylin'

[Tarik One]

Pacquaio and PBF are absolutely nothing alike in style

Exactly. People take one common physical attribute (Speed) and automatically label the two as having similar styles.

[BrooklynZoo]

I've heard stories of Christian Bail and Brad Pitt pay top money just to sit in a Pacquiao closed training session.

Pac fanbase > Hatton fanbase


why exactly would he charge them to watch him train? lol

[west_tip]

Pac fanbase > Hatton fanbase

20,000 Brits in Vegas. British fans just travel more and in greater numbers than any other countries sports fans, make more noise, drink more.

[GOBB]

why exactly would he charge them to watch him train? lol

Because alot of training sessions are closed. Its not ass open, casual as HBO makes it seem. Thats done for promotion help which helps generate $$$.


20,000 Brits in Vegas. British fans just travel more and in greater numbers than any other countries sports fans, make more noise, drink more.

Annoying dipshyts is what they are.

[hateraid]

Annoying dipshyts is what they are.

Lol


Garaunteed the Pacquiao fanbase will be louder and more involved. Brits may cheer Hatton, everybody else loves Manny.

[hateraid]

Seattle, holla. Where's a good place to watch the fight? There seems to be a significant filipino base here. I'm wanna get down with Manny's people.

[west_tip]

.
Annoying dipshyts is what they are.

Like you then cuntox?

[Lebron23]

^^^I love all of the British boxing fans, but I despise Hatton's fanbase because they disrespected Floyd Mayweather back in 2007, Booed Amir Khan, Hopkins, and Pacman in the Official Weigh In.

I hope tonight they don't boo the US and Philippine National Anthems.

This is the First Real Test for Manny Pacquiao because Hatton is still undefeated at the 140 lbs. Weight Division, but I can see him winning the fight via Mandatory Decision.

[BALLin01]

Anybody watch Pacquiao,Hatton 24/7? Hatton and Mayweather sr. are so cocky.

[Tarik One]

Hatton and Mayweather are so cocky.

Are they seen together?

[BALLin01]

Are they seen together?

Mayweather Sr. I meant. And yes, Mayweather Sr. is Hatton's trainer.

[Dasher]

Ricky approached Freddie Roach about training him for his next fight. He is already laying the groundwork for excuses. I usually don't root against a Sr. fighter, but this may be a time for me to make an exception.

[RedBlackAttack]

What's happening? What is the best link available?

[went_worth]

http://www.taghoops.com/2009/01/nba6.html

:cheers:

[Posterize246]

What's happening? What is the best link available?
1st link on channelsurfing.net is the one I'm on. It's pretty good. This fight's in the 8th (final) round.

[RedBlackAttack]

http://www.taghoops.com/2009/01/nba6.html

:cheers:
repped.

:cheers:

[RedBlackAttack]

pacman fighting the fight at 148 lbs
similar to his last fight (half pound heavier)
What is Hatton? He usually really bulks up in between the weight-in and the fight... Wouldn't be surprised if he was pushing 160.

[Posterize246]

those fans singing already

[Posterize246]

lmao knockdown 12 seconds in

[-primetime-]

http://www.taghoops.com/2009/01/nba6.html

:cheers:
repped real hard...


in a gay way...

[-primetime-]

What is Hatton? He usually really bulks up in between the weight-in and the fight... Wouldn't be surprised if he was pushing 160.
he is 140 dude...:ohwell:


of all people I would expect you to know that...

[RedBlackAttack]

he is 140 dude...:ohwell:


of all people I would expect you to know that...
:hammerhead:

No sh!t, sherlock. Re-read my post.

[Posterize246]

Pac weighed in at 138 not 148

Hatton at 140

[Posterize246]

yes pacman weighed in at 138 but he is fighting at 148
he gained 10 lbs over night

this is the weight he likes fighting at
where'd you see that?

[Posterize246]

Roach said he wanted Pac to get up to 154 damn.

[-primetime-]

:hammerhead:

No sh!t, sherlock. Re-read my post.
I don't get it???

are you saying that he made it to 160 after the weigh in???

[-primetime-]

MY LINK WENT OUT!!!!

anyone???

[RedBlackAttack]

I don't get it???

are you saying that he made it to 160 after the weigh in???
Yes. Fighters often go way up in weight between the weigh-in and the actual fight. Hatton is notorious for doing this. His walking around weight is closer to 180 than it is 140. That is why he is often referred to as Ricky "Fatton."

[RedBlackAttack]

MY LINK WENT OUT!!!!

anyone???
Mine is down, too. :banghead:

[Posterize246]

i thought roach wanted pac at 147/148?

thats what he said in his interview before this soto fight

hatton on the other hand says he wants to fight at 154, and roach prefers hatton heavier than pacman
my fault I meant Hatton to 154

[qrich]

http://www.atdhe.net/5720/watch-boxing-manny-pacquiao-vs-ricky-hatton

Works for me.

[Jordandunk23]

http://www.atdhe.net/5720/watch-boxing-manny-pacquiao-vs-ricky-hatton

Works for me.

no sound for me

[qrich]

Wow, that was a nasty uppercut.


no sound for me

Same, but eh, beggars can't be choosers.

[Posterize246]

no sound for me
you won't have to listen to those fans:cheers:

[Posterize246]

Jay-Z in need of a barber

[FashionIssues]

you won't have to listen to those fans:cheers:
manny manny manny!!!

[Posterize246]

we got sound baby!

[Interminator]

http://www.justin.tv/pac10man

[went_worth]

That chic is hot. :applause:

[FashionIssues]

that breezy's coo

[HYJ]

Batista!!!

:rockon: :rockon: :rockon: :rockon:

[YAWN]

whoa my sound is way out of sync

[Maniak]

ALL MY LINKS WENT DEAD!!!

HELP!!!!

please...
This.

I NEVER watch boxing...and the one time I actually want to...this happens :ohwell:

[qrich]

http://atdhe.net/5720/watch-boxing-manny-pacquiao-vs-ricky-hatton

[FashionIssues]

manny is much quicker

hatton is feeling it

[Posterize246]

woooo MANNY

[FashionIssues]

down he goes... go manny!

[went_worth]

Hatton down. :lol :roll:

[qrich]

Hatton goes down in Round 1 :oldlol:

Edit: TWICE!!!!

[FashionIssues]

down again:roll:

[Posterize246]

ricky getttin ****ED UP!!!!

[Posterize246]

2 knockdowns in the 1st :oldlol:

[Maniak]

Manny going nuts. Crazy good.

[qrich]

LINK!!!!


HELP!!!!


please!!!

http://www.justin.tv/pac10man2/popout

[TMAC-RAPTORS]

this my first time watching boxing. I think im going to watch more :D

[Posterize246]

this my first time watching boxing. I think im going to watch more :D
welcome to the fam

[Posterize246]

holy ****!!!

[FashionIssues]

hatton is stupid out!:lol :lol :lol

****ing manny man

done deal

[went_worth]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[qrich]

Pacquiao wins in 2 ****ing rounds :oldlol:

[Younggrease]

http://www.justin.tv/pac10man2/popout

what is the access code?

[FashionIssues]

hatton is motionless

[Maniak]

Manny is a ****ing beast. Makes me wanna watch boxing more.

Sick match.

[Posterize246]

its O-VAH!!!

hatton out cold

[-primetime-]

holy ****!!!
GIVE ME YOUR LINK!!!


now please...

[FashionIssues]

Manny is a ****ing beast. Makes me wanna watch boxing more.

Sick match.
what match?

[qrich]

I feel bad for whoever paid $60 to see this :oldlol:

[YAWN]

what the ****, seemed like he didnt even see that punch coming

[Posterize246]

hatton still down damn

[Maniak]

GIF that hit.

[FashionIssues]

there is nothing else to prove. manny is the best p4p. bring on pbf.

[-primetime-]

GIVE ME A LINK!!!

REPPPPP

REPPP
REPP
REP

to who gives me a working link...

[Posterize246]

I feel bad for whoever paid $60 to see this :oldlol:
I feel bad for the Hatton fans that flew to Vegas for it:oldlol:



...nevermind no i dont:oldlol:

[SCREWstonRockets]

Mayweather couldn't demolish Hatton like Manny just did. Everyone says Flyod would kill Manny. Somehow I doubt that.

[TMAC-RAPTORS]

good thing I didn't pay for ppv. Match lasted 5 mins lol

[Attila]

Holy ****.

[DonDadda59]

there is nothing else to prove. manny is the best p4p. bring on pbf.

Like Mayweather's gonna take a fight with Pac-Man after that :oldlol:

Floyd 'the artful dodger' Mayweather doesn't fight opponents he thinks can beat him (see- Paul Williams, Margarito, Kostya Tzyu, Cotto, Mosely, and so on).

[-primetime-]

so does ANYONE have a decent link to this???


is it over already????

GIVE ME A LINK!!!

you will be repped...

[Posterize246]

GIVE ME YOUR LINK!!!


now please...
i was using the one you said needed an access code i didn't need it though

[Posterize246]

so does ANYONE have a decent link to this???


is it over already????

GIVE ME A LINK!!!

you will be repped...
lol it's been over dude. Pac knocked im down twice in the 1st then knocked him out cold with a hook in the 2nd. Hatton was flat on his back for a good 5 minutes.

[SCREWstonRockets]

so does ANYONE have a decent link to this???


is it over already????

GIVE ME A LINK!!!

you will be repped...

its over already. the whole fight will probably be on youtube in an hour.

[Attila]

Anyone see Hattons wife? She thought she was bout to be a widow.

[booonkers]

so does ANYONE have a decent link to this???


is it over already????

GIVE ME A LINK!!!

you will be repped...

it's over already :roll: :lol pacman is gold! hahaha after all the crap hatton said.

[qrich]

so does ANYONE have a decent link to this???


is it over already????

GIVE ME A LINK!!!

you will be repped...

All four minutes, or so, of the fight will be on youtube in no time. You can catch it then :oldlol:.


Edit: Damn, got beat to it.

[Lebron23]

Pacman is the Fighter of the Decade. He proved tonight that's the best boxer in this Generation.

Who's Next?

[qrich]

Anyone catch that Jermaine Taylor vs Carl Froch match the other day? Froch had never been knocked down in his career (pro + amateur) and went down in round 3. Taylor was all over him until the last quarter of the match, when Froch took over and knocked Taylor down with 14 seconds in the final round. If Taylor could have held on, he would've won :oldlol:

[FashionIssues]

manny tarnished so many careers. he turns big names into 2nd class draws

[RedBlackAttack]

Like Mayweather's gonna take a fight with Pac-Man after that :oldlol:

Floyd 'the artful dodger' Mayweather doesn't fight opponents he thinks can beat him (see- Paul Williams, Margarito, Kostya Tzyu, Cotto, Mosely, and so on).
First of all, that was a brilliant performance by Manny. I really thought that Hatton's rough, wrestling style (plus the extra weight) may be difficult for Pac to match up with. Boy... Was I wrong.

His mix of power and speed is truly stunning.

That said, you guys are getting ahead of yourself putting down Floyd in favor of Pac. I'll reserve judgment until after I see PBF against JMM, because he has been off for two years. BUT, Hatton and DLH are a FAR CRY from Floyd.

JMM has shown in the past that Pac struggles with master boxers... And Marquez does not have PBF's level of skill and athleticism (at least, prior to his two year layoff).

PBF has the best defense in the sport (even better than Hopkins). If anyone thinks that he is going to stand there and take the kind of shots that DLH and Hatton took, they are out of their minds. That would be a great, great fight.

Take nothing away from Pac... He looked absolutely great tonight, clearly.

[SCREWstonRockets]

Anyone catch that Jermaine Taylor vs Carl Froch match the other day? Froch had never been knocked down in his pro career (24 matches) and went down in round 3. Taylor was all over him until the last quarter of the match, when Froch took over and knocked Taylor down with 14 seconds in the final round. If Taylor could have held on, he would've won :oldlol:

I was thinking about downloading that fight. Is it worth it?

[RedBlackAttack]

Pacman is the Fighter of the Decade. He proved tonight that's the best boxer in this Generation.

Who's Next?
You better slow your roll, LB23. He has to beat PBF to earn that distinction....

[qrich]

I was thinking about downloading that fight. Is it worth it?

I'd say so. Every round has nice action. Hope I didn't spoil it for you :cheers:


This match, along with that one and the Darchinyan-Arce fight a while back, have really gotten me into boxing.

[went_worth]

someone needs to make that a GIF.:oldlol:

[RedBlackAttack]

someone needs to make that a GIF.:oldlol:
It's on the way.

[DeuceWallaces]

PBF's defense is too good, he can take a decision against anyone. No way he stands around like a punching bag for that ****.

[RedBlackAttack]

PBF's defense is too good, he can take a decision against anyone. No way he stands around like a punching bag for that ****.
It would be a hell of an interesting fight, though. Pac has a way of luring guys into his pace. PBF is the absolute master of FORCING fighters into his kind of fight. One of them has to give.

Of course, we are speculating that PBF will be the same guy that he was two years ago. That is a long layoff for any fighter.

[Beebo]

i want a nice slowmo gif of that knockout punch
that'll be a nice "OWNED" gif

Yes please!! Someone make a gif!!

[-primetime-]

I missed everything...:banghead:

so Pac just whooped that ass????

[Maniak]

I missed everything...:banghead:

so Pac just whooped that ass????
Yep. Was sick hit. It will be GIF'd soon, Id imagine.

[FashionIssues]

making a comeback on the eve of this bout shows pbf's true intentions. he wants some of pac.

go ahead and fight your bull**** match with marquez and let manny study you.

[DonDadda59]

You guys are getting ahead of yourselves and setting yourselves up for a huge dissapointment. Floyd has a long, well-documented history of ducking the best opposition available to him. He 'retired' just as his division was heating up and guys like Margarito, Cotto, Williams, Berto, etc were turning into possible marquee matchups for him. No one finds it strange that he's coming back only after Margarito beat Cotto, Mosely dismantled Margs (who was then suspended), and Williams fought outside of the division?

Mark my words- there will be no Mayweather vs Pacquiao.

[RedBlackAttack]

I missed everything...:banghead:

so Pac just whooped that ass????
It was one of the most brutal knockouts I can remember in a marquee fight. The punch reminded me of the one Hearns landed on Duran. Just... brutal.

[No.45]

so JMM vs. PBF on July 18th.

PBF took 10 rounds to def. hatton. Manny needed two.

Manny will kick PBF's asss

[RedBlackAttack]

You guys are getting ahead of yourselves and setting yourselves up for a huge dissapointment. Floyd has a long, well-documented history of ducking the best opposition available to him. He 'retired' just as his division was heating up and guys like Margarito, Cotto, Williams, Berto, etc were turning into possible marquee matchups for him. No one finds it strange that he's coming back only after Margarito beat Cotto, Mosely dismantled Margs (who was then suspended), and Williams fought outside of the division?

Mark my words- there will be no Mayweather vs Pacquiao.
It is a well-known fact that the only reason PBF came back from his retirement was to fight Pac. I'm sorry, but a brutal beating of a guy with no true boxing skills is not going to deter one of the most gifted technicians in the history of the sport.

Who did PBF duck? Margarito? GTFO

[RedBlackAttack]

so JMM vs. PBF on July 18th.

PBF took 10 rounds to def. hatton. Manny needed two.

Manny will kick PBF's asss
That is a horrible gauge when picking a match. Styles make fights.

[Biggs]

Manny had a harder time with the interview than with Hatton!

[Zombles]

You better slow your roll, LB23. He has to beat PBF to earn that distinction....

Why? Because Mayweather fights prettier to boxing purists and has an undefeated record due to handpicking his opposition?

They have two shared opponents, De La Hoya and Hatton, and Manny absolutely destroyed those guys while Floyd had trouble with both.

Outside of that you have Pacman beating Marquez, Barrera twice, and Morales twice, three of them stoppages. I'll take that over decisions over Chavez, Castillo, and Gatti any day.

None of that means Pac would win but career-wise I give him the edge right now.

Not taking anything away from PBF, best Philly shell I've ever seen and an extremely intelligent fighter. Judah, Hatton, and Oscar all gave him fits to start out but he adjusted mid-fight and wound up whooping that ass. Reckon that'd be his best asset against Pacman, who got out-teched by Marquez in the later parts of their fights.

[YAWN]

theres a cam vid on youtube of the knockdowns

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-h8R4cnbDM

[-primetime-]

It was one of the most brutal knockouts I can remember in a marquee fight. The punch reminded me of the one Hearns landed on Duran. Just... brutal.
I'm really kinda pissed that I missed this...

YouTube saves me I hope...

[RedBlackAttack]

Why? Because Mayweather fights prettier to boxing purists and has an undefeated record due to handpicking his opposition?

They have two shared opponents, De La Hoya and Hatton, and Manny absolutely destroyed those guys while Floyd had trouble with both.

Outside of that you have Pacman beating Marquez, Barrera twice, and Morales twice, three of them stoppages. I'll take that over decisions over Chavez, Castillo, and Gatti any day.

None of that means Pac would win but career-wise I give him the edge right now.

Not taking anything away from PBF, best Philly shell I've ever seen and an extremely intelligent fighter. Judah, Hatton, and Oscar all gave him fits to start out but he adjusted mid-fight and wound up whooping that ass. Reckon that'd be his best asset against Pacman, who got out-teched by Marquez in the later parts of their fights.
Fighting style really has nothing to do with it. I ranked Duran as the No. 4 pound-for-pound fighter of all-time and he wasn't the prettiest boxer in the purist sense.

I'm saying that PBF-Pac will decide which fighter is the greatest of the past decade. Right now, I may even give Pac a SLIGHT edge in overall competition (though, very slight), but he has also been defeated... Something PBF has not.

So, as it stands, PBF would rank higher (at least on my board) in an all-time p4p sense. That isn't to say that Pac could never catch him.

...and, PBF struggled to beat Hatton and DLH? Come on. The only people who thought Floyd struggled with DLH were the judges. That was a lopsided fight and DLH's only positive moments were flailing girly punches when PBF got along the ropes... And about 10-percent of those actually partially connected.

That fight was not close.

PBF-Hatton was an absolutely dominant exhibition. I'm not sure how anyone could see it any other way.

PBF's resume is a lot better than people give it credit for. Remember... His most natural weight is probably 135 pounds and he has fought as high as 154. That takes a special kind of fighter.

[DonDadda59]

It is a well-known fact that the only reason PBF came back from his retirement was to fight Pac. I'm sorry, but a brutal beating of a guy with no true boxing skills is not going to deter one of the most gifted technicians in the history of the sport.

Who did PBF duck? Margarito? GTFO

Yes, Margarito... and a lot of other fighters. But let's focus on Antonio:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOSYzIKJFro

For years they were trying to get that fight done, offered him $8 million before the De La Hoya and Hatton fights, before Floyd was making that arab money. He danced around it because he was scared to death, Shane took care of that. Besided Genaro Hernandez and JLC (saw that first fight, Mayweather lost btw... just not on the scorecards), who has he really beaten? Why hasn't he fought Kostya, Shane, Margarito, Cotto, Williams, Berto, etc etc etc?

But he's got plenty of time for Carlos Baldomir, an aging ODH, a shorter Hatton?

The facts don't add up, he'll be 'injured' or 'have nothing left to prove' once the subject of Manny comes up.

[RedBlackAttack]

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/1f/fullj.851b7ab8add2fc91098f06cc0eb8eb11/851b7ab8add2fc91098f06cc0eb8eb11-getty-84737838mw031_manny_pacquia.jpg

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/f6/fullj.a1729ef2872562dabc79d77990e54c69/a1729ef2872562dabc79d77990e54c69-getty-84737838mw035_manny_pacquia.jpg

[Zombles]

When I said trouble I meant the physical bruising style of Hatton limited Mayweather's offense for the first five rounds, and De La Hoya was able to flurry PBF on the ropes several times and established his jab through the first half of that fight; though mostly missing and without much power. Not the stuff that wins rounds, but far, far more success than either had against Pacman.

A fight between the two decides the greater fighter, obviously.

And Manny's gone up just as much in weight, and fought better competition doing it.

[RedBlackAttack]

The facts don't add up, he'll be 'injured' or 'have nothing left to prove' once the subject of Manny comes up.
The facts do add up... Marg was a 160-pounder fighting at 147. Floyd was a 135-pounder fighting at 147 (briefly). Why would Floyd fight a guy that has so much of a natural advantage when you factor in that no one outside of the boxing community had any idea who Marg was when he was calling out PBF?

Margarito always annoyed me with all of that posturing. Here is a guy that tried to move up to 154 and failed against an average fighter in Daniel Santos (a guy who he was probably bigger than) and then spent his days calling out guys that were 20 pounds smaller. Yet, Floyd is the one with no balls?

It would have been stupid for Floyd's handlers to allow him to fight a relative no-name with a huge weight advantage. No fighter is ever going to please everyone with their opponent choices. You have to look at the selections rationally, though.

Floyd didn't need Margarito and that would have been a dumb risk with little reward outside of the hardcore boxing community.

If PBF wanted to avoid risks, he would not have given Castillo a rematch after many people thought that JLC gave him his first loss. He took the rematch and clearly won.

Compare that to a fighter like DLH, who everyone praises for his bout selections... Why didn't DLH give Whitaker a rematch in a fight that I and a lot of other people thought he lost? Why didn't he give Sturm a rematch?

[Lamar Doom]

POW. he took that right on the chin... lights out. that sucks for him. there's a few clips up on youtube now if you haven't seen.

[DonDadda59]

The facts do add up... Marg was a 160-pounder fighting at 147. Floyd was a 135-pounder fighting at 147 (briefly). Why would Floyd fight a guy that has so much of a natural advantage when you factor in that no one outside of the boxing community had any idea who Marg was when he was calling out PBF?

Margarito always annoyed me with all of that posturing. Here is a guy that tried to move up to 154 and failed against an average fighter in Daniel Santos (a guy who he was probably bigger than) and then spent his days calling out guys that were 20 pounds smaller. Yet, Floyd is the one with no balls?

It would have been stupid for Floyd's handlers to allow him to fight a relative no-name with a huge weight advantage. No fighter is ever going to please everyone with their opponent choices. You have to look at the selections rationally, though.

Floyd didn't need Margarito and that would have been a dumb risk with little reward outside of the hardcore boxing community.

If PBF wanted to avoid risks, he would not have given Castillo a rematch after many people thought that JLC gave him his first loss. He took the rematch and clearly won.

Compare that to a fighter like DLH, who everyone praises for his bout selections... Why didn't DLH give Whitaker a rematch in a fight that I and a lot of other people thought he lost? Why didn't he give Sturm a rematch?

Using the DLH comparison was a horrible idea, because he fought everyone. He moved up to a higher weight class, not to fight some unknown but a living legend in the sport in Bernard Hopkins. He didn't give them rematches... at least he fought them, took all the big fights, even when he was WAY past his prime and had no business fighting. But Floyd's record is as inflated as it gets his belts have come against, with the exception of Hernandez, very subpar competition. Zab 'paper champion' Judah, Carlos 'Balthazar' Baldomir, Arturro 'C-class club fighter' Gotti?

He has skill, no one is doubting that. But I have to question his heart, he's never been really tested beyond JLC and as you've acknoweldged, he hand picks fighters he knows won't give him any problems. That means no Cotto, Williams, Clottey, Shane, no Manny.

[Lebron23]

theres a cam vid on youtube of the knockdowns

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-h8R4cnbDM


Round 1 and Round 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VleE27xzxI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxfHWTETT_o

[RedBlackAttack]

Using the DLH comparison was a horrible idea, because he fought everyone. He moved up to a higher weight class, not to fight some unknown but a living legend in the sport in Bernard Hopkins. He didn't give them rematches... at least he fought them, took all the big fights, even when he was WAY past his prime and had no business fighting. But Floyd's record is as inflated as it gets his belts have come against, with the exception of Hernandez, very subpar competition. Zab 'paper champion' Judah, Carlos 'Balthazar' Baldomir, Arturro 'C-class club fighter' Gotti?

He has skill, no one is doubting that. But I have to question his heart, he's never been really tested beyond JLC and as you've acknoweldged, he hand picks fighters he knows won't give him any problems. That means no Cotto, Williams, Clottey, Shane, no Manny.
If you don't think that virtually every great fighter has taken opponents which fit their needs at the time (whether it be recognition, style, or money), you are fooling yourself. They all do it. Unfortunately for Margarito, he didn't fit any of the three categories.

Williams and Margarito are huge welterweights that don't make a lot of sense for Floyd. They are really middleweights fighting at 147. I remember when Floyd initially moved up to 140, everyone thought that the weight would give him real problems, which is why many people foolishly went with their hearts by choosing Gotti prior to that fight. Now, Floyd is being criticized for not fighting anyone and everyone at 154 and 147. Josh Clottey has bounced around from 154 to 147 over the course of his career. He is another very large welterweight with virtually no recognition outside of the hardcore fans.

Shane? I could see that fight happening. But, you have to also keep in mind that SSM only recently moved back down to 147 (around the same time that Floyd retired). He had been fighting for years at 154.

It is interesting that you bring up Cotto... Probably the most sheltered fighter in the sport for much of his career. He only recently began fighting note-worthy opponents and I'm of the firm belief that he wanted none of PBF a few years ago when the fight could have happened. I don't care what Arum says to the media... I know what I see. HBO did its best to manufacture Cotto into a star. Hell... DeMarcus Corley had him absolutely out on his feet at 140, yet I'm sure Floyd will get no credit for dismantling Corley?

The fact of the matter is, Floyd's wins over Genaro Hernandez, Carlos Hernandez, Jesus Chavez, JLC (x2), and Corrales made for a pretty damn nice resume before he even set foot in the junior welterweight division.

[RedBlackAttack]

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:eek:

[lemondude]

whole fight with the commentary before it and stuff.

this is a good site for pac fans

http://teampilipinas.info/search/label/Pacquiao%20vs.%20Hatton

[Boogaloo]

WOW DESTROYED.

I give credit to Roach. Post fight he said they studied Hutton's punching style and they saw he liked to **** his arm before throwing his punches leaving him open for a right hook.

He worked with Manny during training in developing a new arsenal a right hook. Even Manny said Hatton was worried about his left he did not expect his new weapon and he got floored.

:bowdown:

[DonDadda59]

If you don't think that virtually every great fighter has taken opponents which fit their needs at the time (whether it be recognition, style, or money), you are fooling yourself. They all do it. Unfortunately for Margarito, he didn't fit any of the three categories.

Williams and Margarito are huge welterweights that don't make a lot of sense for Floyd. They are really middleweights fighting at 147. I remember when Floyd initially moved up to 140, everyone thought that the weight would give him real problems, which is why many people foolishly went with their hearts by choosing Gotti prior to that fight. Now, Floyd is being criticized for not fighting anyone and everyone at 154 and 147. Josh Clottey has bounced around from 154 to 147 over the course of his career. He is another very large welterweight with virtually no recognition outside of the hardcore fans.

Shane? I could see that fight happening. But, you have to also keep in mind that SSM only recently moved back down to 147 (around the same time that Floyd retired). He had been fighting for years at 154.

It is interesting that you bring up Cotto... Probably the most sheltered fighter in the sport for much of his career. He only recently began fighting note-worthy opponents and I'm of the firm belief that he wanted none of PBF a few years ago when the fight could have happened. I don't care what Arum says to the media... I know what I see. HBO did its best to manufacture Cotto into a star. Hell... DeMarcus Corley had him absolutely out on his feet at 140, yet I'm sure Floyd will get no credit for dismantling Corley?

The fact of the matter is, Floyd's wins over Genaro Hernandez, Carlos Hernandez, Jesus Chavez, JLC (x2), and Corrales made for a pretty damn nice resume before he even set foot in the junior welterweight division.

So we're in agreement, I say he's ducked the best competition out there, you call it 'finding fighters who fit his needs'. The only thing Pacquiao has going for him in Floyd's decision to stick around or 'retire' is his size, Pac Man has fought at lower weights (130) and he's the shorter fighter so Floyd might figure that he'd be able to jab and run in his philly shell the whole fight. I don't think that'll be enough for him to take the fight, but that'd be the main reason if he did.

[The Magic Man]

Just got back from the homies house watching this fight. God Dayum!! I know I had about 5 shots of patron and all but i kept screaming HE DEAD! HE DEAD! I kept feeling like there was something i should do for hatton. i damn near called 911 to report the sh*t.

edit:
also, those gifs dont serve this knockout justice. you gotta see that sh*t in hd. You could literaly see that dude's brain spinin around in his head.

[Boogaloo]

Just got back from the homies house watching this fight. God Dayum!! I know I had about 5 shots of patron and all but i kept screaming HE DEAD! HE DEAD! I kept feeling like there was something i should do for hatton. i damn near called 911 to report the sh*t.

Yep that right was straight NASTY. When it connected you knew it was OVAAAAA. He aint gettin up.

Was wondering why they moving Hutton while he was knocked cold. They should have immobalized him just in case he screwed up his neck. Atleast he dint get his face destroyed.

The punch dint destroy him. It ended his career. Time to get paid, and take care of his kids.

[InspiredLebowski]

If anyone watches Real Sports w/ Bryant Gumbel, remember the two stories they did on that kid golfer, 8ish years old, had some sort of eye disease and ended up with a glass one? He's the spitting image of Freddie Roach.

[DonDadda59]

Yep that right was straight NASTY. When it connected you knew it was OVAAAAA. He aint gettin up.

Was wondering why they moving Hutton while he was knocked cold. They should have immobalized him just in case he screwed up his neck. Atleast he dint get his face destroyed.

The punch dint destroy him. It ended his career. Time to get paid, and take care of his kids.

That's right, time to call it quits and be put out on the pasture to stud :pimp:

His kid's kid's kids will be living off the money he made from this fight, and all he had to do was take one of the most vicious hooks in boxing history. Not a bad deal :oldlol:

[Boogaloo]

That's right, time to call it quits and be put out on the pasture to stud :pimp:

His kid's kid's kids will be living off the money he made from this fight, and all he had to do was take one of the most vicious hooks in boxing history. Not a bad deal :oldlol:

he took like 3. :roll:

[TMacsOneGoodEye]

Floyd need to stay retired or else come out of retirement and fight someone he can easily beat to keep his shoddy rep so Manny don't take his spot.

Oh, snap -- Floyd just un-retired to fight someone he can beat. Story of his career.

Stay away from Manny if you got brains, Floyd.

[Jordandunk23]

Manny Pacquiao is an amazing fighter... I am so happy he is so well recognized now.. more than just the filipino crowd... because he is something really special...

[Boogaloo]

Manny Pacquiao is an amazing fighter... I am so happy he is so well recognized now.. more than just the filipino crowd... because he is something really special...


yep started from 106 lbs. And every weight class he fought he made it look like thats his normal class. one of the GOAT? arguable. But no doubt a very special fighter.

[jc23]

wow. :applause: knocked the ****k out. I want Pac and Floyd so much now.

[RedBlackAttack]

So we're in agreement, I say he's ducked the best competition out there, you call it 'finding fighters who fit his needs'.

The difference is, you seem to be applying this logic only to PBF. I said that all fighters and their handlers make these rational decisions and don't just fight everyone that every fight fan has in mind. It doesn't work that way.

I'm also saying that PBF's resume is a lot better than you give it credit for. It is interesting that you choose to credit Pac and criticize Floyd when they have fought the same guys in the 140-147 pound divisions (Floyd fought more, actually).

If you are going to revert back to his days at 130, I would say Herandez, Hernandez, Corrales, Jesus Chavez and Castillo (x2) > MAB, Morales, JMM.

But, you seem unwilling to hold any other fighters to the standards that you set for PBF. Bringing the most coddled fighter in boxing up (Cotto) is proof of that.


The only thing Pacquiao has going for him in Floyd's decision to stick around or 'retire' is his size, Pac Man has fought at lower weights (130) and he's the shorter fighter so Floyd might figure that he'd be able to jab and run in his philly shell the whole fight. I don't think that'll be enough for him to take the fight, but that'd be the main reason if he did.

I'm sure Floyd sees several things that can be effective against Pac. It isn't just defense... Floyd has very fast, accurate hands and Pac can get a little wild... Not to mention his sometimes nonexistent defense.

Floyd is a much, much, MUCH more polished fighter. You seem to think that all Floyd would have going for him against Pac would be his great defense. That is part of it, but his defense leads to short, accurate punches.

I would say that Pac would be reliant on power more than PBF would be reliant on any one thing.

[Boogaloo]

wow. :applause: knocked the ****k out. I want Pac and Floyd so much now.

PBF got to get past Marquez first. He aint no pushover.

[RedBlackAttack]

Floyd need to stay retired or else come out of retirement and fight someone he can easily beat to keep his shoddy rep so Manny don't take his spot.

Oh, snap -- Floyd just un-retired to fight someone he can beat. Story of his career.

Stay away from Manny if you got brains, Floyd.
You mean the same guy that has easily been Pac's most difficult adversary? Oh the hypocrisy.

If PBF 'easily' beats JMM, he'll be doing something that Pac never did.

[magic chiongson]

just got back from my friends' place..man that was quick :D at least a couple of us shared for the ppv..was expecting a couple of rounds of good action

[magic chiongson]

You mean the same guy that has easily been Pac's most difficult adversary? Oh the hypocrisy.

If PBF 'easily' beats JMM, he'll be doing something that Pac never did.

that'd be true. anyway as good (and probably the best) as pbf is, i really dont like to watch his fighting style. i mean it is quite effective, but i find it boring. this is pro boxing anyway. if i were to compare styles in its entertainment value, i'd say pac is jordan while pbf is malone or duncan, or pac is agassi & pbf is sampras :)

[DonDadda59]

The difference is, you seem to be applying this logic only to PBF. I said that all fighters and their handlers make these rational decisions and don't just fight everyone that every fight fan has in mind. It doesn't work that way.

I'm also saying that PBF's resume is a lot better than you give it credit for. It is interesting that you choose to credit Pac and criticize Floyd when they have fought the same guys in the 140-147 pound divisions (Floyd fought more, actually).

If you are going to revert back to his days at 130, I would say Herandez, Hernandez, Corrales, Jesus Chavez and Castillo (x2) > MAB, Morales, JMM.

But, you seem unwilling to hold any other fighters to the standards that you set for PBF. Bringing the most coddled fighter in boxing up (Cotto) is proof of that.



I'm sure Floyd sees several things that can be effective against Pac. It isn't just defense... Floyd has very fast, accurate hands and Pac can get a little wild... Not to mention his sometimes nonexistent defense.

Floyd is a much, much, MUCH more polished fighter. You seem to think that all Floyd would have going for him against Pac would be his great defense. That is part of it, but his defense leads to short, accurate punches.

I would say that Pac would be reliant on power more than PBF would be reliant on any one thing.

To be fair Cotto already fought Margarito, Mosely, and Zab and is about to take on Clottey, all guys (except the obvious one) are fighters Floyd wants no part of. And Pacman is much more than a power puncher, the guy is technically sound, has lightning speed, and has unreal reflexes. He can get wild and his defense can be suspect, but I'm sure if a fight would Floyd was coming up Roach would fill any and all holes (in style and in game-planning) before the fight.

Can we at least agree that Pac Man put a world class whooping on Hatton tonight?

[beasly15]

You mean the same guy that has easily been Pac's most difficult adversary? Oh the hypocrisy.

If PBF 'easily' beats JMM, he'll be doing something that Pac never did.

pbf never finished hatton and delahoya like manny.

forget about everything, if he thinks he's the best let him fight the best.

[Rocker09]

Congrats to manny...Definitely one of top 10 fighters of all time

[Lebron23]

Manny Pacquiao is the only Official 6th Weight Division Champion, and he started his career at the Flyweight Division.

He's already a top 20 fighters of all time if he ends his career this year. He have a better boxing resume than some of the greatest boxers in the 1990's and 2000's.

And if he defeated Mayweather Jr. he's automatically a top 10 ATG.

Manny is the 21st Century version of Henry Armstrong.

[RedBlackAttack]

To be fair Cotto already fought Margarito, Mosely, and Zab and is about to take on Clottey, all guys (except the obvious one) are fighters Floyd wants no part of.
Again... You say this as though Floyd is scared to get in a ring with those guys. Just because the fights have yet to happen doesn't mean that PBF cowers in fear of the fighters you listed. Hell... I never heard any rumors of PBF even being offered fights by Clottey or Mosley.

Margarito is the only name on that list that actively campaigned for a fight with Floyd and I've already explained why it was a smart move for his team to move in a different direction... Especially in light of recent events with Marg.


And Pacman is much more than a power puncher, the guy is technically sound, has lightning speed, and has unreal reflexes. He can get wild and his defense can be suspect, but I'm sure if a fight would Floyd was coming up Roach would fill any and all holes (in style and in game-planning) before the fight.

My point was, though, that Pac isn't going to beat Floyd by being a technician. If he goes in there and tries to box with PBF, it won't even be a contest. His speed? Yeah... Manny is fast, but so is Floyd.

The only categories in which Manny has a significant advantage over Floyd is in his aggression and punching power. However, aggression can be a hindrance when you are going against an all-time great counter-puncher.

I'm not saying that Floyd would blow him out of the water. Hell... I'm not even sure that PBF is on the same level that he was two years ago. If there has been a dropoff in his athleticism or reflexes since his retirement, it could spell disaster against a guy like Pacquaio.

Even if Floyd comes back and is as good as he was 2-3 years ago, it would be a hell of a challenge. Pac is legit.


Can we at least agree that Pac Man put a world class whooping on Hatton tonight?

That should be obvious to everyone. I will also admit that I was wrong about this fight. I said that I thought Hatton's smothering style might present some problems for Manny, though I did pick Pac to win. You never really know for sure how two fighters will matchup until you see them in the ring together. It was clear about 30 seconds into the fight that Hatton was in for a very short night... Just a horrible stylistic matchup.

Pac deserves all of the credit in the world (and Freddie Roach). He has gone from a one-punch fighter that was very raw to a technically sound guy that can beat you with either hand.

...dude is a beast.

I don't mind you challenging my posts, btw. I enjoy having a back-and-forth discussion with someone who has as much passion for boxing as I do. :cheers:

[DonDadda59]

Again... You say this as though Floyd is scared to get in a ring with those guys. Just because the fights have yet to happen doesn't mean that PBF cowers in fear of the fighters you listed. Hell... I never heard any rumors of PBF even being offered fights by Clottey or Mosley.

Margarito is the only name on that list that actively campaigned for a fight with Floyd and I've already explained why it was a smart move for his team to move in a different direction... Especially in light of recent events with Marg.



My point was, though, that Pac isn't going to beat Floyd by being a technician. If he goes in there and tries to box with PBF, it won't even be a contest. His speed? Yeah... Manny is fast, but so is Floyd.

The only categories in which Manny has a significant advantage over Floyd is in his aggression and punching power. However, aggression can be a hindrance when you are going against an all-time great counter-puncher.

I'm not saying that Floyd would blow him out of the water. Hell... I'm not even sure that PBF is on the same level that he was two years ago. If there has been a dropoff in his athleticism or reflexes since his retirement, it could spell disaster against a guy like Pacquaio.

Even if Floyd comes back and is as good as he was 2-3 years ago, it would be a hell of a challenge. Pac is legit.



That should be obvious to everyone. I will also admit that I was wrong about this fight. I said that I thought Hatton's smothering style might present some problems for Manny, though I did pick Pac to win. You never really know for sure how two fighters will matchup until you see them in the ring together. It was clear about 30 seconds into the fight that Hatton was in for a very short night... Just a horrible stylistic matchup.

Pac deserves all of the credit in the world (and Freddie Roach). He has gone from a one-punch fighter that was very raw to a technically sound guy that can beat you with either hand.

...dude is a beast.

I don't mind you challenging my posts, btw. I enjoy having a back-and-forth discussion with someone who has as much passion for boxing as I do. :cheers:

Our debate never got dragged down to the level of childish name-calling and we stayed on point. I'm always down for a good boxng debate and you know your stuff. :cheers:

[Lebron23]

In stunningly disposing of Hatton in ruthless fashion, Pacquiao matched Oscar De La Hoya's record of winning titles in six weight divisions. But more important, by adding Hatton's lineal junior welterweight championship to his growing collection, Pacquiao added a fourth lineal title, the first fighter to do that in boxing history. (Granted, there are more divisions now than there were back in the era of fighters such as Sugar Ray Robinson.)


In plain terms, PacMan has been "the man" in four divisions, the clear champion in a morass of titleholders at flyweight, featherweight, junior lightweight and now junior welterweight. Toss in belts at junior featherweight and lightweight -- and wins against elite opponents -- and you have a great fighter.

from ESPN


:applause: :applause: :applause:

[RedBlackAttack]

just remember, the next big fight isnt pbf/marquez ... but instead it is
june 20, 2009

http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=446405&cat=boxer

charlie 'wussap b!tches' zelenoff
vs
paul 'the' gardner
Location: Holiday Inn , Fort Smith, Arkansas

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[YAWN]

just remember, the next big fight isnt pbf/marquez ... but instead it is
june 20, 2009

http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=446405&cat=boxer

charlie 'wussap b!tches' zelenoff
vs
paul 'the' gardner

i like that the guy who beat him in his first fight is 1-13 :lol

[SCREWstonRockets]

Location: Holiday Inn , Fort Smith, Arkansas

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

Trailer Park Welterweight Title

:lol Is that a real title?

[KRAYZIE]

Round 1 and Round 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VleE27xzxI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxfHWTETT_o
Thanks a bunch!

Repped.

[GOBB]

This is no easy fight for Pac man but i got him winning by TKO.

I wish i was at this fight so i could KO Hattens annoying chanting fanbase.


Ollie Ollie Ollie RICKY RICKY RIIIIIIIIIIIICKY.
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
RIIIIICKY RICKY RICKYYYYY OLLIE OLLIE OLLLIIIIIIE

:pimp:

[GOBB]

Floyd ducks no one and if you think he came out of retirement to fight just Marquez? You are fooling YOURSELF. Everyone knows Floyd will fight anyone if the price is right. He loves money, he loves fighting the big fight for money.

Floyd vs Pac Man = big money fight that Floyd walks away getting paid. But yeah MONEY Mayweather is going to "duck" fighting Pac Man. DonDada is so misinformed its ridiculous. You're entire basis on Floyd "ducking" is silly.

[Posterize246]

So has Pacquiao sent his 2nd straight fighter into "retirement" (quotations because this is boxing)? DLH and now Hatton?

I don't think Hatton will retire but his father was talking about it definitely being a possibility.

[Dasher]

Cotto's uncle did not want him in the ring with Mayweather when the fight had the chance to happen.

Margarito would not bring in any money, so the fight was pointless.

Mosely ducked Floyd back in the day because the fight would not have made any money. His chirping is hypocritical.

Floyd is a professional boxer, and everyone wants to make money in their profession. Outside of hardcore boxing fans, no one wants to see Paul Williams or Margs for that matter.

Fans will never be satisfied with Floyd. If he beats Pac, they will find another reason to complain. Until he loses they will not be satisfied.

[Posterize246]

Fans will never be satisfied with Floyd. If he beats Pac, they will find another reason to complain. Until he loses they will not be satisfied.
QFT

[krazy19]

Fans will never be satisfied with Floyd. If he beats Pac, they will find another reason to complain. Until he loses they will not be satisfied.

People have been complaining because Floyd has claimed that he is the greatest fighter of all time. The only way to prove it is by fighting the best. Floyd went into retirement while Cotto and Margarito were scheduled to fight each other. Many people were angry that Floyd did not decide to wait to fight the winner of that.

[magic chiongson]

kinda ot:

do you guys know the old dude who sits beside jack nicholson in lakers' home games? i think i saw him sitting beside nicholson in the fight :)

[flipogb]

kinda ot:

do you guys know the old dude who sits beside jack nicholson in lakers' home games? i think i saw him sitting beside nicholson in the fight :)
he is a record producer who is a good friend of Jack, hes also very rich of course

[GOBB]

People have been complaining because Floyd has claimed that he is the greatest fighter of all time. The only way to prove it is by fighting the best. Floyd went into retirement while Cotto and Margarito were scheduled to fight each other. Many people were angry that Floyd did not decide to wait to fight the winner of that.

:roll:

Who the hell is Margarito to command big fights? I dont get this love affair with boxing fans. Like Floyd doesnt fight Margarito and now his career gets slammed because he didnt take him on due to "ducking". No that aint even it!

Sometimes i wish Floyd Jr would whup these dudes ass just so i can laugh as you pull new names out your ass. Fans butt hurt because you sat there with a #2 pencil and some loose leaf writing down who you want Floyd Jr to fight. That way you can accept Floyd Jr bragging about being the greatest. So lame.

The only reason Floyd came out of retirement is for that big $$$ fight in Pac Man. Sorry but neither Cotto (if he even wants to see Floyd) nor Margarito command big $$$$. I'm sorry. Margarito CHEATED and got busted. Why dont you fans worry about how many past fights he may have CHEATED instead of Floyd not giving him a chance at a big payday. I cant believe people are still typing this clowns name. Like screw his wraps and how Shane tore that ass up. Floyd ducked him so he dont fight the best. Hmph! :rolleyes:

Give it up.

[SCREWstonRockets]

Wow, I don't know whos more sensitive? Pac fans when talking about JMM or Floyd fans when talking about ducking fighters? :oldlol:

[GOBB]

Wow, I don't know whos more sensitive? Pac fans when talking about JMM or Floyd fans when talking about ducking fighters? :oldlol:

Stupidity is easily an annoyance. Has nothing to do with being sensitive. When you hear the same silly argument over and over and over. Well you become annoyed.

[RedBlackAttack]

Wow, I don't know whos more sensitive? Pac fans when talking about JMM or Floyd fans when talking about ducking fighters? :oldlol:

It really has less to do with Floyd and more to do with hypocrisy... For me, anyway. Don't get me wrong... I'm a fan of PBF. But, I am a fan of a lot of fighters. I don't like how people criticize PBF and hold him to a different standard than virtually any fighter that has ever been in the ring.

You could go through the top fighters of all-time and I could tell you guys that they 'ducked' using the logic of those that are uber-critical of PBF.

Hell... By their logic, Sugar Ray Leonard flat-out 'ducked' Aaron Pryor. The Hawk showed up at SRL's press conferences and called him out everywhere and anywhere he could find a camera to do so. He literally begged SRL for a fight.

Now, SRL may have been smart to go in other directions because there were fighters out there at the time with bigger names that would bring more money and attention, while Pryor was a very dangerous fighter that not a lot of people outside of hardcore boxing circles knew about. So, I can't blame SRL for not fighting him. He and his handlers made a wise decision and no one really put him down for it.

If that had been PBF, however, people would still be trying to soil his name for it, to this day. SRL didn't need Pryor... PBF didn't need Margarito.

And, for the record, Pryor had A LOT more to offer than Margs ever did. At least he was an all-time great fighter.

[DonDadda59]

It really has less to do with Floyd and more to do with hypocrisy... For me, anyway. Don't get me wrong... I'm a fan of PBF. But, I am a fan of a lot of fighters. I don't like how people criticize PBF and hold him to a different standard than virtually any fighter that has ever been in the ring.

You could go through the top fighters of all-time and I could tell you guys that they 'ducked' using the logic of those that are uber-critical of PBF.

Hell... By their logic, Sugar Ray Leonard flat-out 'ducked' Aaron Pryor. The Hawk showed up at SRL's press conferences and called him out everywhere and anywhere he could find a camera to do so. He literally begged SRL for a fight.

Now, SRL may have been smart to go in other directions because there were fighters out there at the time with bigger names that would bring more money and attention, while Pryor was a very dangerous fighter that not a lot of people outside of hardcore boxing circles knew about. So, I can't blame SRL for not fighting him. He and his handlers made a wise decision and no one really put him down for it.

If that had been PBF, however, people would still be trying to soil his name for it, to this day. SRL didn't need Pryor... PBF didn't need Margarito.

And, for the record, Pryor had A LOT more to offer than Margs ever did. At least he was an all-time great fighter.

But Sugar Ray did duck Pryor, no getting around that. But he did fight Hearns, Hagler, Duran, etc... so just a little bit better track record in my view. And maybe people would hold Floyd to the same standard if he didn't proclaim himself the best pound for pounder EVER without having faced the best competition in his division. And he turned down the Margarito fight before he fought Oscar, before Hatton, before he was making marquee money. And if fighting the big names for the big money was what he was after, why did he 'retire' just before the fight between Cotto and Margarito? The idea was the winner would face him, after the buzz and the result of that fight you don't think it would've been huge box office numbers? If he's not ducking, why did he choose to hang up the glove when he did? The welterweight division was on fire and all of a sudden he 'had nothing left to prove'. Cotto lost to Margarito, who lost to Shane and was disgraced, Williams moved to another division and dismantled defensive master Winky right... all of a sudden there's a lot to prove? Sounds a little fishy to me is all I'm saying.

[kenuffff]

i agree, i don't get this sick fascination with maragito explain why he should give a known cheater/6 loss fighter a chance when the biggest fight obviously is pac only a moron would fight maragito, which he would kick his ass then you'de find some other mid-carder that you think matches up with him

[kenuffff]

also i think paul williams is a MUCH more avoided fighter than margarito.

[Lebron23]

also i think paul williams is a MUCH more avoided fighter than margarito.


Because at 6'3" he's one of the tallest Welterweight/Middleweight Champion of all time.

[RedBlackAttack]

also i think paul williams is a MUCH more avoided fighter than margarito.
Pavlik chose a fight with Hopkins over a bout with Williams. That should tell you everything that you need to know. Williams is really a freak of nature. Nobody that tall should be able to throw as many punches as he does.

[Gundress]

Just watched it again and at the break after round 1 Floyd Sr is shouting - 'Why aren't you doing what we said from the 1st minute of training, move your head'?

That sums up a lot, Hatton was totally flummoxed by Pacs skill speed and accuracy and panicked.

Pac v Mayweather could be the biggest fight since Hagler/Sugar Ray.
If not in box office, then certainly in kudos.

[NotYetGreat]

Really happy to see how Manny made quick work of Ricky, yet stayed humble and prayed. Anyway, I do hope Manny gets a deal with Floyd. It would really be an interesting match-up. I honestly find Floyd a bit annoyingly cocky.

[SCREWstonRockets]

Just watched it again and at the break after round 1 Floyd Sr is shouting - 'Why aren't you doing what we said from the 1st minute of training, move your head'?

That sums up a lot, Hatton was totally flummoxed by Pacs skill speed and accuracy and panicked.

Pac v Mayweather could be the biggest fight since Hagler/Sugar Ray.
If not in box office, then certainly in kudos.

After the 1st in the corner, you could tell Hatton was done. The look on his face when Flyod Joy Sr. was talking to him told the story. He looked so scared.

[GOBB]

also i think paul williams is a MUCH more avoided fighter than margarito.

And rightfully so. He's in the wrong division. Needs to move the hell up. :oldlol: Its like playing baseball for a league when you were 12. You face a team with some kid who looks 18. But he is really 12. Its like wtf did his parents feed him? Thats Paul Williams. And I'm still not totally SOLD on him. But at the same time no one from 147 on down should take him on so freely.

[GOBB]

Its funny because Floyd Sr said Pac doesnt move his head. That Hatton will have a nice time teeing off. And round 1 its HIS fighter who doesnt move his head. And Hatton is already throwing excuses of Floyd Sr being late to workouts and stuff blah blah blah.

Hatton is an overrated fighter. Alot of those brit f*cks are. Lennox the only exception I know off hand. Remember all the hype of Prince Naseem? His highlights overseas looked awesome. Gets to America and :confusedshrug: . I will say his ring entrances were the best I've ever seen. I mean who comes out to Red Rat (reggae artist) dancing? Low riders hittin switches as you have like 3 look alikes come out fooling us? Dude was awesome. I'm sorry. I loved that shyt!


Really happy to see how Manny made quick work of Ricky, yet stayed humble and prayed. Anyway, I do hope Manny gets a deal with Floyd. It would really be an interesting match-up. I honestly find Floyd a bit annoyingly cocky.

I dont care much for the humble, respectable boxer. Cocky boxers are where its at. Thats how you make a name and draw crowds. Its a way to sell a person buying that fight.

But Pac man is a different story. For such a wittle guy even after watching him demolish Hatton i still cant see how he does it. Its like you're a lil mofo with power. Speed isnt shocking but his power? Come on. He is a guy you meet on the street and undestimate. You wake up shytting in a bed pan. His entourage is nothing like most boxers. Its pretty funny to watch.

[crisoner]

Hatton is an overrated fighter. Alot of those brit f*cks are. Lennox the only exception I know off hand. Remember all the hype of Prince Naseem? His highlights overseas looked awesome. Gets to America and .

LOL

Good call GOBB

I remember Prince Naseem. That cat did have the best entrances and that crazy style. But he got knocked the f*ck out stateside. My boys just got back from Vegas and the fight. Said the Brits was talking mad sh*t to the Pacman fans. Couple fights broke out etc. (f*cking hooligans) but at the end of the night they shut the f*ck up and was stunned.

I'm really looking forward to the chance at Pacman and Mayweather JR. Gunna be the fight of this decade IMO. JR. retired waiting for someone like Manny to come up. But all the sh*t JR. talks that cat can back it up.
Manny is something else though...you can't help but be impressed at what he did to Hatton.

Any how I'm just proud that us Filipinos have something good to cheer about.
Well...we do have DJ Q-Bert and Bautsita in the WWE ( I guess). But Pacman is bringing my people togther for once. Love it!

[Lebron23]

Ricky Hatton's Fiancee is hot.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/05/04/article-0-04CBFCA0000005DC-980_468x526.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/05/04/article-1177090-04CBFCFC000005DC-855_468x365.jpg

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1177090/Ricky-Hattons-fiancee-Jennifer-Dooley-shows-knockout-figure-recover-Vegas-defeat.html

Not as pretty as Oscar's Puerto Rican Wife, but she's definitely hotter than Jinkee Pacquiao.

:hammertime: :hammertime: :hammertime:

[crisoner]

Saw her on the HBO 24 series. Good job Hatton!

[Biggs]

I see you're visitng HCP too, Lebron23! :banana:

[BrooklynZoo]

i really dont know why hatton gets all these big fights aside from the fact that hes a big draw.. but i guess thats reason enough


yup... wow i just saw the fight (didnt know the result as i avoided readin about it). ricky got rockedddd

floyd musta been watchin like "oh shit"