If Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao Meet, Pacquiao Will Be Exposed

[Attila]

PBF will demolish and expose Manny. I hope to god they fight.

[RedBlackAttack]

PBF will demolish and expose Ricky. I hope to god they fight.
You mean Manny?

I would favor PBF slightly in the fight, but Pac is looking like a kind of beast that Floyd has never faced. I can safely say that Pac has never fought anyone as good as Floyd and Floyd has never fought anyone as good as Pac.

It is a match made in heaven and the winner will vault into boxing immortality.

[DeuceWallaces]

What weight will they have to fight at?

[Attila]

You mean Manny?

I would favor PBF slightly in the fight, but Pac is looking like a kind of beast that Floyd has never faced. I can safely say that Pac has never fought anyone as good as Floyd and Floyd has never fought anyone as good as Pac.

It is a match made in heaven and the winner will vault into boxing immortality.
Yeah my mistake.

I agree 100% with you as neither have fought anyone as good as each other. I'm sure it will happen, unless Floyd retires again or something crazy happens.

[RedBlackAttack]

What weight will they have to fight at?
I would guess 147, but it could also be at 140.

[Attila]

What weight will they have to fight at?
I think I read it'd have to be a catchweight.

[DeuceWallaces]

The lower the better. People don't give Floyd enough credit for jumping up to fight all these guys. Like to see them come down to high 30's and get a whooping.

[Eldrunko247]

because some random dork on the internet said so...

let me ask you a question son....do you know how to box? have you ever been in a fight in your life?

:rolleyes:

[-primetime-]

if it wasn't for the internet those Pay Per View numbers might beat Tyson-Holyfeild...

[Zombles]

How many athletes come off a two year layoff and return to prime form at 32?

Marquez has a good shot at an upset, Manny aside.

[HYJ]

The only way PBF can beat PAC is when he punch and run...

i watch all PAC matches and that man has a chin & body hard as a rock...

and PBF is not use to get punched so if he fight PAC in a brawl then i think there is a chance that PBF will get down...

[thejumpa]

The only way PBF can beat PAC is when he punch and run...

i watch all PAC matches and that man has a chin & body hard as a rock...

and PBF is not use to get punched so if he fight PAC in a brawl then i think there is a chance that PBF will get down...

The only thing hurting Mayweather is that he hasn't boxed since 07. I still got my money on him though. People said Ricky Hatton was going to hit him and he would be caught off guard but.....look what happened. Manny is a beast but Mayweather would slaughter him with his speed...41-0:D

[BALLin01]

Mayweather had trouble with Hatton and De La Hoya

Pacquiao demolished De La Hoya and beat the sh!t outta hatton.

Pacquiao is in his prime as well. Mayweather is coming off a 2 year layoff. If the 2 meet, Pacquiao is going to destroy Mayweather.

[Rocker09]

He needs to beat marquez first......Marquez is no pushover(the only fighter who made manny work the hardest)...The only reason pacquiao beat marquez before was because he was able to knock him out in one round...If pacquiao didn't get that KO, the scorecard should have been a draw...

[DeuceWallaces]

Mayweather had trouble with Hatton and De La Hoya

Pacquiao demolished De La Hoya and beat the sh!t outta hatton.

Pacquiao is in his prime as well. Mayweather is coming off a 2 year layoff. If the 2 meet, Pacquiao is going to destroy Mayweather.

PBF had trouble with neither. You're full of ****.

[RedBlackAttack]

PBF had trouble with neither. You're full of ****.
Honestly... Where are people getting this sh!t? I guess they figure since those fights were a couple years ago that we've forgotten what actually happened? :confusedshrug:


He needs to beat marquez first......Marquez is no pushover(the only fighter who made manny work the hardest)...The only reason pacquiao beat marquez before was because he was able to knock him out in one round...If pacquiao didn't get that KO, the scorecard should have been a draw...
You mean KDs in the first round, right? JMM went down three times in the first round and fought back to earn a draw against Pac. A lot of people thought that JMM should have been given the decision (I'm not one of them, btw).

Pac's win was clearer in the second fight, but it was still a split decision.

This will be an interesting fight for PBF, but I do think Floyd's style will match up well against Marquez, because JMM is a boxer first... And no one out-boxes Floyd.

But, that is contingent on Floyd being the same fighter he was two years ago.

[halffttime]

PBF had trouble with neither. You're full of ****.

let's just say mayweather beat them.. pacquiao KILLED them.. wanna argue?

[magic chiongson]

pac's already been exposed before by marquez

anyway i wont be making any more comments to this topic until after the pbf - jmm fight :)

[DeuceWallaces]

let's just say mayweather beat them.. pacquiao KILLED them.. wanna argue?

Sure, PBF can get a decision against anyone because his defense is too good.

[RedBlackAttack]

Look... I know people are excited about Pac's performances in his last two fights... And rightfully so. The guy is a beast.

But, don't allow his flash to cloud your judgment or make you forget...

http://s1.tinypic.com/52w4wgx_th.jpg


...you can't hurt what you can't hit.

[RedBlackAttack]

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[halffttime]

Sure, PBF can get a decision against anyone because his defense is too good.

i guess we will see.. mayweather's never fought anyone like pacquiao and vice versa.. so who knows.. :rolleyes:

pacquiao tko by 10th..

[krazy19]

Floyd had trouble with Zab Judah in the early rounds and was even knocked down (unofficially). Had Judah not been mentally weak the fight would have been more competitive.

Manny Pacquiao is basically a better version of Judah with probably a little less power. However, Floyd is basically JMM but faster and stronger with better defense.

This is the fight boxing needs right now even though at this time last year, no one could even have a serious discussion regarding Pac vs. Floyd. Pacquiao just got that damn good in 1 year, and I credit that to him not having to cut down to 130 anymore.

[DatDudeD]

Floyd had trouble with Zab Judah in the early rounds and was even knocked down (unofficially). Had Judah not been mentally weak the fight would have been more competitive.

Manny Pacquiao is basically a better version of Judah with probably a little less power. However, Floyd is basically JMM but faster and stronger with better defense.

This is the fight boxing needs right now even though at this time last year, no one could even have a serious discussion regarding Pac vs. Floyd. Pacquiao just got that damn good in 1 year, and I credit that to him not having to cut down to 130 anymore.

yeah you are right, but i think at this point in there respective careers they NEED to fight each other, i still give PBF the slight edge because honestly is defense and speed are matched by no one, it will be interesting to see those to go at i think they would push each other though.

also lets throw him in there just to make it interesting !!!!http://normlevy.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/don_king.jpg
ONLY IN AMERICA !!!!!!!

[thejumpa]

It will be a good fight but I've been a Mayweather fan forever. I really can't see Floyd doing anything stupid enough to get caught slipping and get knocked out and from what I've seen, he is a smarter boxer than Manny. But I gotta say, Ricky Hatton got knocked the **** OUT.

Anyway, I see this fight going the distance and Mayweather winning on the cards...making me a couple hundred in the process.

[Posterize246]

there's a reason Mayweather fights go the distance...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MX-VNm0IjWc&feature=related

you can't hit that mother ****er

[GOBB]

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[ruslan]

It would be a good fight

[Tarik One]

Just because two fighters share common opponents and one fighter (Pacquaio) dominates his opponents in more impressive fashion than the other fighter (PBF), you cannot automatically come to the conclusion that he (Pac) will beat Floyd. Ridiculous.

[SCREWstonRockets]

Look... I know people are excited about Pac's performances in his last two fights... And rightfully so. The guy is a beast.

But, don't allow his flash to cloud your judgment or make you forget...




...you can't hurt what you can't hit.
Mr. Money has been gone for about 2 years. I don't care who you are, that time off doesn't make you better. In those 2 years, Pac has elevated his game. I don't think Floyd has fought anyone with hands as fast as Pacman and Pac has definitely not fought anyone as polished as Floyd. All I'll say is that it should be a damn good fight. Of course, thats if Money May gets past JMM.

[GOBB]

Mr. Money has been gone for about 2 years. I don't care who you are, that time off doesn't make you better. In those 2 years, Pac has elevated his game. I don't think Floyd has fought anyone with hands as fast as Pacman and Pac has definitely not fought anyone as polished as Floyd. All I'll say is that it should be a damn good fight. Of course, thats if Money May gets past JMM.

2yrs? Try 1yr 5 months. Floyd is always in great shape/condition.

He'll be ready.

[BALLin01]

PBF had trouble with neither. You're full of ****.

Mayweather won by desicion vs De La Hoya. Pacquiao won every single round and De La Hoya was hurt so bad they had to stop the fight.

Yes, Mayweather knocked out Hatton, but Pacquiao knocked him out 3 times in 2 rounds.

It wont be an easy fight if they meet, but Pacquiao would win. I might be pretty biased since im Filipino.

[Tarik One]

Yes, Mayweather knocked out Hatton, but Pacquiao knocked him out 3 times in 2 rounds.


Totally irrelevant. That has NO bearing on how Pac & Floyd will fare against EACH OTHER.

[BALLin01]

Totally irrelevant. That has NO bearing on how Pac & Floyd will fare against EACH OTHER.

I know what you are saying, and we don't know how they would fare against each other, but based on what i was saying, doesn't it seem like Pacquiao would beat Mayweather?

[Lebron23]

It looks like this fight's not going to happen this year because Pacman's next Opponent is Miguel Cotto.

http://mb.com.ph/articles/204728/cotto-next-pacquiao-arum

[thejumpa]

I know what you are saying, and we don't know how they would fare against each other, but based on what i was saying, doesn't it seem like Pacquiao would beat Mayweather?

No...Mayweather will outsmart you....most likely not knock you out. His defense is king and he is arguably the smartest boxer in the sport...which is why people think he is boring to watch. Personally, I love watching him box because he lets an opponent do what they want, figures them out, and just wears them down. Manny is a beast but I really can't see him knocking Mayweather out....or down. They both dominated the same opponents...Manny did it his way which happens to be faster.

[hateraid]

Forget PBF. Go for Cotto while he's still prime.:D

[Attila]

After the Manny Cotto fight, I expect these two to be matched up.

[lemondude]

I'll say this I support pacquiao no matter who he fights. But Mayweather's style is more what I do in sparring, obviously not even close to how good he is.

But Mayweather's style is not to go into a trade of punches but to dodge and get a couple of punches here and there and when there's an opportunity go for it.

Where as manny's just a flat out crazy man and he's willing to take punches to dish out punches.

But after 1.5 years layoff you got to think mayweather is not going to be as sharpe as he once was, maybe he can rereach that condition but marquez is not the worst boxer, he is the 2nd pfp. So let's see what mayweather's got before making the desicion.

[RedBlackAttack]

It looks like this fight's not going to happen this year because Pacman's next Opponent is Miguel Cotto.

http://mb.com.ph/articles/204728/cotto-next-pacquiao-arum
If this is true, can we officially say that Pac is ducking PBF?

[Lebron23]

If this is true, can we officially say that Pac is ducking PBF?


He should first beat Marquez before he takes on Manny Pacquiao. Marquez is the 2nd best pound for pound fighter, and he might be smaller fighter than Mayweather, but he's clearly a better boxer than Gatti, Baldomir, Judah, N'dou, Castillo, Coralles (RIP), Hernandez, 2000's Dela Hoya, and Ricky Hatton.

And Pacman is not ducking Mayweather he just wants to become the first boxer in History to win 8th World titles in 7 Different Weight Divisions.

If Pacman beats Cotto, Marquez, and Mayweather he's automatically rank higher than Pernell Whittaker and JC Chavez Sr. in the All time lists.

Pacman vs. Mayweather is going to happen in the near future. They are the 2 best boxers of this era, and It's going to be more competitive if they are going to fight in the 147 lbs. Weight Division.

[TMac&Luther]

I'll take Pac over PBF (If PBF really did retire)....his hand speed isn't going to fully return unless he's been training the entire time that he was supposed to be "retired" (and the showman than PBF is.....he might of planned this entire "so called retirement" all along while still training at top shape just to hit a MEGA "come out of retirement" pay day)

However if PBF really did completely layoff for two years.....Pac is going to take him easy/De La Hoya style...and I mean easy. Pac has just as much quickness and punching power as PBF ever had (acually over these last two fights he's proven he's had more) and what people aren't talking about is how Pac is a southpaw.....which = a deadly combination for a player that layed off for a few years. Pac is a ferocious fighter with probably the fastest hands on the planet right now, who's going to attack nonstop (he keeps coming forward and can land punches from every possible angle)...Floyd isn't going to be able to just "dodge" him...he's going to have to be able to punch with him, because if he does start to run from Pac, that will make him look like he's scared which isn't going to play well to the judges.

[RedBlackAttack]

He should first beat Marquez before he takes on Manny Pacquiao. Marquez is the 2nd best pound for pound fighter, and he might be smaller than Mayweather, but he clearly a better boxer than Gatti, 2000's Dela Hoya, and Ricky Hatton.

And Pacman is not ducking Mayweather he just wants to become the first boxer in History to win 8th World titles in 7 Different Weight Divisions.

If Pacman beats Cotto, Marquez, and Mayweather he's automatically rank higher than Pernell Whittaker and JC Chavez Sr. in the All time lists.

Pacman vs. Mayweather is going to happen in the near future.
I'm just searching for consistency... that's all. It is pretty damned clear that PBF came out of retirement and took a fight with Manny's biggest adversary in order to draw interest to a fight between he and Pacquaio.

The truth is, Pacquaio could very well lose to Cotto. There is a much better chance of that, imo, than there is of Floyd falling to JMM. A Pac loss to Cotto would kill much of the hype around a Pac-PBF fight.

Pac is risking a historic fight by going against Miguel. It makes me wonder if he actually wants a fight with PBF.

[halffttime]

I'm just searching for consistency... that's all. It is pretty damned clear that PBF came out of retirement and took a fight with Manny's biggest adversary in order to draw interest to a fight between he and Pacquaio.

The truth is, Pacquaio could very well lose to Cotto. There is a much better chance of that, imo, than there is of Floyd falling to JMM. A Pac loss to Cotto would kill much of the hype around a Pac-PBF fight.

Pac is risking a historic fight by going against Miguel. It makes me wonder if he actually wants a fight with PBF.

a year ago, i would have cotto knocking the fu.ck out of pacquiao in a fight.. but after seeing what pac could do with guys like de la hoya, diaz, and hatton who are naturally bigger and stronger than him, i can't doubt him anymore.. i haven't seen alot of cotto fights but from what i've seen, he's got a strong punch but not as talented as other boxers pac has fought in the past.. i think it really depends on what weight they're fighting at.. anything over 145 and i can see it going to cotto, but you never know.. pac's got skills..

[Lebron23]

^^^Cotto and Pacquiao are under the Top Rank Promotions , and Miguel Cotto already challenged Manny Pacquiao after he defeated Michael Jennings for the WBO Welterweight Championship.

Bob Arum said that he also wants Manny Pacquiao to fight Mayweather if he's able to beat Miguel Cotto.

[TMac&Luther]

I'm just searching for consistency... that's all. It is pretty damned clear that PBF came out of retirement and took a fight with Manny's biggest adversary in order to draw interest to a fight between he and Pacquaio.

The truth is, Pacquaio could very well lose to Cotto. There is a much better chance of that, imo, than there is of Floyd falling to JMM. A Pac loss to Cotto would kill much of the hype around a Pac-PBF fight.

Pac is risking a historic fight by going against Miguel. It makes me wonder if he actually wants a fight with PBF.

Pac isn't dodging Floyd......Floyd already came out and said he was going to fight Marquez..so what is Pac supposed to do. Sit back and wait until Floyd trains and then fights that fight.....and then sits back and waits until Floyd (who may or may not win the first fight) trains against him and is ready to fight him? Hell no. This guy "Pac" is now the hottest thing on the planet...he's the champ, the most undisputed "pound for pound fighter in the world". It's cash in time....this is what fighters train and want to achieve. He should be taking on these fights and get the bank while it's good....especially if these fights will keep him fresh while Floyd is trying to get back in the game and get ready for him.

[takeittothehoop]

I don't know a ton about boxing but Pacquiao absoloutely abused Hatton in 2 rounds and Hatton seems to be a pretty reputable fighter. Even PBF can't stop the PAC MAN. :rockon:

[RedBlackAttack]

I'll take Pac over PBF (If PBF really did retire)....his hand speed isn't going to fully return unless he's been training the entire time that he was supposed to be "retired" (and the showman than PBF is.....he might of planned this entire "so called retirement" all along while still training at top shape just to hit a MEGA "come out of retirement" pay day)

However if PBF really did layoff for two years.....Pac is going to take him easy...and I mean easy. Pac has just as much quickness and punching power as PBF ever had (acually over these last two fights he's proven he's had more) and what people aren't talking about is how Pac is a southpaw.....which = a deadly combination for a player that layed off for a few years. Pac is a ferocious fighter with probably the fastest hands on the planet right now, who's going to attack nonstop...Floyd isn't going to be able to run from him, because if he does Pac will make him look like he's scared which isn't going to play well to the judges.
First of all, Pac has far more punching power than PBF and that should be clear to everyone. Still, I do think that Floyd's pop tends to be a bit underrated.

Secondly, it irks me when people say that Floyd 'runs' and that he won't be able to 'run' from Pac. PBF doesn't run. He employs an impenetrable defense called the 'Philly Shell,' which is a style that relies heavily on reflexes and sharp counter-punching. It requires a boxer's hands to be in an 'L' shape down at the torso instead of the usual placement by the ears. The defense is most effective when a fighter rolls with punches. There is no 'running' involved. It is the same defense that was employed by greats such as Thomas Hearns and James Toney.

Just because a guy is a defensive master does not mean that he 'runs.' The object of the sport, at its most simplest, is to hit and not be hit. PBF is the master of avoiding punches and, when he does get hit, avoiding flush shots and turning nearly everything into a glancing blow... It has nothing to do with running. In fact, Floyd is at his most comfortable when a guy is standing in front of him throwing a constant barrage of punches as he gets in his shell and picks his spots.

Lastly, I agree that Floyd's layoff could be a factor, but you will never see Floyd have a dramatic dropoff like you saw with Roy Jones Jr., for example. The reason is that RJJ relied almost solely on his athletic ability, while breaking every rule in boxing along the way. Floyd is as technically sound as any fighter in the last 30 years. As a result, he'll be effective well past his prime if he chooses to continue to fight.

It is my personal opinion that a counter puncher and defensive specialist as great as PBF will always be a stylistic nightmare for Pac.

[RedBlackAttack]

Pac isn't dodging Floyd......Floyd already came out and said he was going to fight Marquez..so what is Pac supposed to do. Sit back and wait until Floyd trains and then fights that fight.....and then sits back and waits until Floyd (who may or may not win the first fight) trains against him and is ready to fight him? Hell no. This guy "Pac" is now the hottest thing on the planet...he's the champ, the most undisputed "pound for pound fighter in the world". It's cash in time....this is what fighters train and want to achieve. He should be taking on these fights and get the bank while it's good....especially if these fights will keep him fresh while Floyd is trying to get back in the game and get ready for him.
Cotto is still young. He will be there after a fight with PBF. Why fight a guy as dangerous as Cotto and potentially destroy a legendary battle with the other p4p great in the sport when you could take a tune-up between now and a fight with Floyd?

If PBF were to lose to JMM, fight your tune-up and then take a fight with Cotto or whoever.

Cotto is going to be there... This epic battle may not.

[halffttime]

First of all, Pac has far more punching power than PBF and that should be clear to everyone. Still, I do think that Floyd's pop tends to be a bit underrated.

Secondly, it irks me when people say that Floyd 'runs' and that he won't be able to 'run' from Pac. PBF doesn't run. He employs an impenetrable defense called the 'Philly Shell,' which is a style that relies heavily on reflexes and sharp counter-punching. It requires a boxer's hands to be in an 'L' shape down at the torso instead of the usual placement by the ears. The defense is most effective when a fighter rolls with punches. There is no 'running' involved. It is the same defense that was employed by greats such as Thomas Hearns and James Toney.

Just because a guy is a defensive master does not mean that he 'runs.' The object of the sport, at its most simplest, is to hit and not be hit. PBF is the master of avoiding punches and, when he does get hit, avoiding flush shots and turning nearly everything into a glancing blow... It has nothing to do with running. In fact, Floyd is at his most comfortable when a guy is standing in front of him throwing a constant barrage of punches as he gets in his shell and picks his spots.

Lastly, I agree that Floyd's layoff could be a factor, but you will never see Floyd have a dramatic dropoff like you saw with Roy Jones Jr., for example. The reason is that RJJ relied almost solely on his athletic ability, while breaking every rule in boxing along the way. Floyd is as technically sound as any fighter in the last 30 years. As a result, he'll be effective well past his prime if he chooses to continue to fight.

It is my personal opinion that a counter puncher and defensive specialist as great as PBF will always be a stylistic nightmare for Pac.

what style would you consider effective against mayweather?

[KAMALA]

i dont know the sport of boxing all that well but just based on watching some tape of both of them, my personal instinct would be that floyd would take a fight between the two of them more times than not.

[RedBlackAttack]

what style would you consider effective against mayweather?
The common response is that a fighter that would be most effective against Floyd is a pressure fighter that forces him into a brawl and stays on top of him. This, most likely, stems from the closest fights of his career against Castillo.

I disagree with this premise. I think that the best style for Floyd would be a really skilled counter-puncher with a great jab that refuses to fall into PBF's trap of coming forward. That is the pace that Floyd wants. Basically, I think the toughest fight for Floyd would be a guy that employs a similar style, forcing PBF to come out of his comfort zone. It would also help if said fighter had heavy hands.

JMM has a style that could give PBF problems, imo, but I don't think that he hits hard enough or can match Floyd's boxing skills.

Someone like Thomas Hearns had the style that beats Mayweather, imo. Unfortunately for the boxing world, guys like that don't come around often.

[TMac&Luther]

Cotto is still young. He will be there after a fight with PBF. Why fight a guy as dangerous as Cotto and potentially destroy a legendary battle with the other p4p great in the sport when you could take a tune-up between now and a fight with Floyd?

If PBF were to lose to JMM, fight your tune-up and then take a fight with Cotto or whoever.

Cotto is going to be there... This epic battle may not.

Floyd isn't ready to fight Pac (if he did "lay off" these last two years without training), so why should Pac sit and wait on him to finish that warmup fight?..he's the champ and deserves all the money that the champ brings. Pac is the money guy.....not Floyd and the money guy gets to chose his pots (I don't blame Pac one bit for cashing in a big pot before he sees Floyd). Floyd was the money guy, but that's no longer the case. When this fight does take place, if Pac wins his fight....he'll be the favorite and will get the top % of the take.

Saying Pac is "dodging Floyd" for not waiting on floyd to finish his out of retirement comeback fight is like saying Floyd is dodging Pac for not coming out of retirement to take him on first. Regardless if Pac or Floyd loses these first fights they're smart enough to know that it isn't going to effect the purse between them that much.

If Floyd loses his first fight, Pac is still going to fight him, because of the name alone and Floyd will take it, because it'll bump him right back to the top and get him back on track.....same thing goes for Pac. If Pac loses his fight, Floyd will still fight him because of the name alone and everybody knows that was the reason why he came out of retirement so that's insurance incase Pac does lose his fight.

Basically it's two boxers trying to cash in when they still know regardless of what happens there's going to be a cash cow event fight between PBF vs Pacquiao. That's the sad state that boxing is in now....They could both lose these fights and they'll still fight for a crapload of money...and one could win and the other could lose and they'll still fight this fight for alot of money (just because of the names and the chance for one to bounce back).....or they could both lose their fights and they'll still fight for alot of money with the winner bouncing back for a contending match against the "champ" whoever it is. It's just a smart fight which will draw the most money for both.

[DonDadda59]

what style would you consider effective against mayweather?

Damn, I missed some good discussion here, trying to play catch up.

But a guy like Paul Williams would be a nightmare for Floyd. He's huge (6'3") and has long arms and doesn't tire- he routinely throws 100 punches per round :eek: . He just recently demonlished Winky Wright who is one of the great defensive masters of this decade with no problems whatsoever. Pretty much size that can smother him I think would be bad for Floyd.

And Pacquiao/Cotto would be 10 kegs of dynamite in the ring, can't wait for that to get put together...

[RedBlackAttack]

Saying Pac is "dodging Floyd" for not waiting on floyd to finish his out of retirement fight is like saying Floyd is dodging Pac for not coming out of retirement to take him on.

My statement about Pac 'dodging' PBF was in response to people on this board claiming that PBF has avoided big fights in his career. I wasn't really being serious... Just trying to make a point. I don't think Pac would duck anyone.


If Floyd loses his first fight, Pac is still going to fight him, because of the name alone and Floyd will take it, because it'll bump him right back to the top.....same thing goes for Pac. If Pac loses his fight, Floyd will still fight him because of the name alone and everybody knows that was the reason why he came out of retirement so that's insurance incase Pac does lose his fight.

Basically it's two boxers trying to cash in when they still know regardless of what happens there's going to be a clash money making fight between PBF vs Pacquiao. That's the sad state that boxing is in now....They could both lose these fights and they'll still fight... one could win and the other could lose and they'll still fight this fight (just because of the names and the chance for one to bounce back).....either way this fight is going down.

I disagree that the fight would be viewed the same whether they lose their next fights or not. Would Leonard-Duran I have been such a huge fight in boxing history if either would have lost their last fight heading into the bout? This fight has the potential to be the biggest fight, as far as placement in boxing history goes, since Leonard-Hagler... And it would have just as much hype surrounding it if both guys continue to win.

If Pac or PBF loses, it probably still will happen, but it will not have the impact at the box office, in the media, in the general sports public, or in the overall big picture of boxing history. It would still be a big fight, but not what it could be.

Yes... Cotto will garner a lot of money and a good amount of attention, but nothing like PBF-Pac would. And, I'm telling you right now... Cotto poses a huge threat to Pac.... Much more than JMM to PBF, imo.

Then again, if Pac were to beat Cotto and PBF beats JMM, it would make the fight even bigger. It is a risky game they are playing, though.

[RedBlackAttack]

Damn, I missed some good discussion here, trying to play catch up.

But a guy like Paul Williams would be a nightmare for Floyd. He's huge (6'3") and has long arms and doesn't tire- he routinely throws 100 punches per round :eek: . He just recently demonlished Winky Wright who is one of the great defensive masters of this decade with no problems whatsoever. Pretty much size that can smother him I think would be bad for Floyd.

And Pacquiao/Cotto would be 10 kegs of dynamite in the ring, can't wait for that to get put together...
Meh... Paul Williams is a tough matchup for anyone, but his pressure style would be easy for Floyd to counter. Also, Williams doesn't have heavy hands.

Williams may beat PBF if the fight took place simply because he is so damned big, but stylistically, I don't think that Williams is the worst matchup for a great counter-puncher. Wright is nowhere near the fighter he was even two years ago and, even then, Wright was not as skilled as PBF.

[DonDadda59]

Cotto is a huge threat to Pac Man, and Floyd for that matter. When you see him fight you would think he's too slow to keep up with the speedy boxers out there but his skill and ringmanship is second to none. He's fought and beaten faster, technically sound boxers like Judah, Mosley, and even Jennings recently. He knows better than any fighter I've seen recently how to cut off the ring and he's a great counter puncher and has ridiculous knock out power. The only possible knock on Cotto is his chin has been questionable at times but the guy is a warrior.

Do you guys think it would be possible to stage the Cotto-Pacquiao bout earlier and then the winner goes on to take the winner of Mayweather-Marquez either late Dec or sometime early next year?


EDIT: Completely forgot about Cotto-Clottey... damn, there's some good fights on the horizon.

[DonDadda59]

Meh... Paul Williams is a tough matchup for anyone, but his pressure style would be easy for Floyd to counter. Also, Williams doesn't have heavy hands.

Williams may beat PBF if the fight took place simply because he is so damned big, but stylistically, I don't think that Williams is the worst matchup for a great counter-puncher. Wright is nowhere near the fighter he was even two years ago and, even then, Wright was not as skilled as PBF.

I'll give you Winky being way past his prime, but Williams does have some knockout power and I doubt Mayweather would mix it up with him which is the best way to beat Williams- take it to him on the inside. If you lay back in a defensive stance and hope to counter against him you'll be eating punches all night, I think that fight would be pretty one-sided for the Punisher.

[RedBlackAttack]

I'll give you Winky being way past his prime, but Williams does have some knockout power and I doubt Mayweather would mix it up with him which is the best way to beat Williams- take it to him on the inside. If you lay back in a defensive stance and hope to counter against him you'll be eating punches all night, I think that fight would be pretty one-sided for the Punisher.
It is really tough to predict how a fight would go with Williams against anyone because he has such a funky style that there is no other possible opponent to use as a barometer. But, would Williams be as willing to throw caution to the wind if he was eating accurate, perfectly timed counter shots when he completely opened up? One thing about Williams is that his style doesn't make for a whole lot of in-fight adaptation.

PBF, on the other hand, is great at taking a few rounds to study a guy and then making his style work against them.

I don't think the fight is feasible because Williams is more like a middleweight or even a super middleweight in his stature than he is like a welterweight.

But, Floyd and Williams are so polar opposite and completely unique in their approaches that it is really difficult to even envision.

Williams' stoppages almost always come from a cumulative effect than they do from one or two hard shots, btw. He really doesn't have really heavy hands and I don't think he even tries to. It is more about overwhelming guys with high volume punches.

[DonDadda59]

It is really tough to predict how a fight would go with Williams against anyone because he has such a funky style that there is no other possible opponent to use as a barometer. But, would Williams be as willing to throw caution to the wind if he was eating accurate, perfectly timed counter shots when he completely opened up? One thing about Williams is that his style doesn't make for a whole lot of in-fight adaptation.

PBF, on the other hand, is great at taking a few rounds to study a guy and then making his style work against them.

I don't think the fight is feasible because Williams is more like a middleweight or even a super middleweight in his stature than he is like a welterweight.

But, Floyd and Williams are so polar opposite and completely unique in their approaches that it is really difficult to even envision.

Williams' stoppages almost always come from a cumulative effect than they do from one or two hard shots, btw. He really doesn't have really heavy hands and I don't think he even tries to. It is more about overwhelming guys with high volume punches.

Ok, forget the Williams-PBF matchup. How do you think Pac Man and Cotto would match up against Floyd?

Call me crazy but in the Mayweather-Judah matchup it seemed to me that Zab was the faster fighter and Floyd had trouble with him at first because of his southpaw style and even was knocked down (ref didn't count it). But Zab's problem is that he's a mental midget and he fades away during fights, if Pac Man puts the sort of pressure on Floyd that Zab did at first- quick strikes and combo, counters- and can keep it up for more than 3 rounds, then it would be an interesting fight.

And Cotto is not that much different than JLC. Not the fastest guys around but they know how to cut off the ring and if Cotto can put Floyd to the ropes without eating too many counter jabs, then his body work can be devastating. Miguel has no problem facing faster, skilled fighters, obviously nothing like Floyd but Shane, Zab, and a few others have comparable speed (somewhat) and have skill.

[RedBlackAttack]

Ok, forget the Williams-PBF matchup. How do you think Pac Man and Cotto would match up against Floyd?

Call me crazy but in the Mayweather-Judah matchup it seemed to me that Zab was the faster fighter and Floyd had trouble with him at first because of his southpaw style and even was knocked down (ref didn't count it). But Zab's problem is that he's a mental midget and he fades away during fights, if Pac Man puts the sort of pressure on Floyd that Zab did at first- quick strikes and combo, counters- and can keep it up for more than 3 rounds, then it would be an interesting fight.

Zab seemed very focused and very determined in his fight with PBF. It is the best that he had looked in a long, long time. Comparing it with his bout against Baldomir, it was like two different fighters. That was maybe the best I had seen Zab look since his fight in the early 00s against Junior Witter.

...and, yes... Zab looked very fast. He has always been fast, though. His physical ability has never been in question.

It is sort of hard to put those first few rounds into perspective, though. Was it a case of Judah being a problem for Floyd in those early rounds or was it PBF studying a guy in the first quarter of the fight and then going into domination mode?

Let's face it... Floyd almost never comes out and dominates from the opening bell. That isn't his style. Even against DLH and Hatton, the first few rounds were fairly even. He won't break out of his shell and really go after a guy early in a fight unless he is certain that he is so vastly superior, that he can throw caution to the wind (like Gotti).

Btw, I think that PBF was on his way to stopping Zab when Judah made what was, imo, a calculated decision to foul Floyd. Roger's reaction was priceless.


And Cotto is not that much different than JLC. Not the fastest guys around but they know how to cut off the ring and if Cotto can put Floyd to the ropes without eating too many counter jabs, then his body work can be devastating. Miguel has no problem facing faster, skilled fighters, obviously nothing like Floyd but Shane, Zab, and a few others have comparable speed (somewhat) and have skill.

I do see similarities between Castillo and Cotto except for two areas... chin and stamina. I've seen Cotto wear down in many of his big fights. The guy is a warrior, though. There is no denying that.

He is also superior to JLC in areas like punching power and accuracy.

It would be an interesting fight. I do think that Cotto may potentially lose his steam in the late rounds. But, it would be a very interesting fight. I would take Floyd via UD, but you never know with Cotto's power, especially to the body.

To me, Pacquaio is tailor made for Floyd. That isn't to say that PBF would have an easy time, because Pac is a great, great fighter with power that never seems to dissipate, regardless of how high he goes up in weight. But, a pressure fighter who can be a bit wild and has questionable defense is really perfect for a defensive master/counter-puncher.

IMHO, Shane may be the toughest matchup for Floyd out there that is feasible and could actually happen. Shane has the power, handspeed, and stamina to cause some major problems. I'm just not sure how much longer SSM has fighting on that elite level. He is getting up there in age.

[Tarik One]

Bump

[Boogaloo]

If this is true, can we officially say that Pac is ducking PBF?

PAc not ducking anybody. More like PBF had that habit down.

[crisoner]

This will be the BIGGEST fight of this decade IF it happens.

If it happens in Texas I will guarantee every seat will be filled and f*ck it I'm going!!!! This is what the Sweet Science needs man with the rise of MMA.
I like the idea of boxing putting together a super card along with this match as the headliner.

My take IF they fight (the if is because Mayweather will ask for 80-20 in his favor when it should be 50-50) if it goes the distance Mayweather will win...or Pacman will win by TKO or Knockout....I'm hoping Manny knocks PBF out.

That said I'm a huge fan of both fighters but got to rep my peoples so of course it's all about Pacman for me.


Let us all PRAY this fight happens!!!!

[iggy>]

mayweather couldnt even destroy an old dela hoya

[Boogaloo]

This will be the BIGGEST fight of this decade IF it happens.

If it happens in Texas I will guarantee every seat will be filled and f*ck it I'm going!!!! This is what the Sweet Science needs man with the rise of MMA.
I like the idea of boxing putting together a super card along with this match as the headliner.

My take IF they fight (the if is because Mayweather will ask for 80-20 in his favor when it should be 50-50) if it goes the distance Mayweather will win...or Pacman will win by TKO or Knockout....I'm hoping Manny knocks PBF out.

That said I'm a huge fan of both fighters but got to rep my peoples so of course it's all about Pacman for me.


Let us all PRAY this fight happens!!!!

Bring it back home to MANILA

THRILLA IN MANILA REDUX

[iggy>]

the fastest fighter that mayweather ever fought was judah, and judah was taggin him. probably the closest floyd ever came to losing. stop acting like pac man doesnt have a chance, theres a reason why floyd has been ducking him.

[SCREWstonRockets]

Bring it back home to MANILA

THRILLA IN MANILA REDUX

HELL YES. I would love to see this solely based on the nostalgia factor. I believe Floyd said somethong along those lines that he would fight there with pac if it happened.

[Boogaloo]

HELL YES. I would love to see this solely based on the nostalgia factor. I believe Floyd said somethong along those lines that he would fight there with pac if it happened.

I would personally go back home and and bring a camcorder and do a low budget documentary ala "When we were Kings" :roll:

[RAIN MAKER]

This will be the BIGGEST fight of this decade IF it happens.

If it happens in Texas I will guarantee every seat will be filled and f*ck it I'm going!!!! This is what the Sweet Science needs man with the rise of MMA.
I like the idea of boxing putting together a super card along with this match as the headliner.

My take IF they fight (the if is because Mayweather will ask for 80-20 in his favor when it should be 50-50) if it goes the distance Mayweather will win...or Pacman will win by TKO or Knockout....I'm hoping Manny knocks PBF out.

That said I'm a huge fan of both fighters but got to rep my peoples so of course it's all about Pacman for me.


Let us all PRAY this fight happens!!!!


lol you sound like you just started watching boxing when pacquiao came on the scene and now you're tryin to act like you know all about it.

reminds me of what you do with politics. you blab as loud and as much as possible about it when it's obvious you don't know ANYTHING about it.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

[QUOTE=crisoner]My take IF they fight (the if is because Mayweather will ask for 80-20 in his favor when it should be 50-50) if it goes the distance Mayweather will win...or Pacman will win by TKO or Knockout....I'm hoping Manny knocks PBF out.
QUOTE]

really? the pay could be that lopsided? wowwowowowowow

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

lol you sound like you just started watching boxing when pacquiao came on the scene and now you're tryin to act like you know all about it.

reminds me of what you do with politics. you blab as loud and as much as possible about it when it's obvious you don't know ANYTHING about it.

who comes on the internet just to start trouble? get a fcking life u world wide wide trash talking fagggot of a geek.

[Attila]

I still stand by this thread.

[crisoner]

Bring it back home to MANILA

THRILLA IN MANILA REDUX


DUDE


That would dope!!!

[simcjt]

If the fight was in Manila it would have to be something like 65/35 because Floyd would really be all by himself. He would be forced to dominate because the judges would be killed on sight if it ended in decision to him. :roll:

[RedBlackAttack]

If the fight was in Manila it would have to be something like 65/35 because Floyd would really be all by himself. He would be forced to dominate because the judges would be killed on sight if it ended in decision to him. :roll:
Honestly... I think if Pac agreed to 65-35, Floyd would do it in a heartbeat. Let's not forget... He initially agreed to fight Marquez in MEXICO CITY... Much more insane atmosphere than Manila would be.

That's not going to happen, though. I think 55-45 Floyd will be the cut and the fight will be in Vegas or NYC.

[simcjt]

Honestly... I think if Pac agreed to 65-35, Floyd would do it in a heartbeat. Let's not forget... He initially agreed to fight Marquez in MEXICO CITY... Much more insane atmosphere than Manila would be.

That's not going to happen, though. I think 55-45 Floyd will be the cut and the fight will be in Vegas or NYC.
That's what I would see happening if it goes down but I mean is floyd really only cared about the money it would be around the scenario I said.

[L.Kizzle]

PBF will demolish and expose Manny. I hope to god they fight.
:applause:

[I<3NBA]

this was said at Manny's prime, and PBF layoff.

obviously, circumstances changed.

Marquez knocked out Pac and took out the bull rusher in him. after that Marquez knockout, Pac was never the same again.

the Pac Floyd met was a neutered Pac. nothing like Prime Pac at all.

[Wally450]

:applause:
:applause:

[L.Kizzle]

this was said at Manny's prime, and PBF layoff.

obviously, circumstances changed.

Marquez knocked out Pac and took out the bull rusher in him. after that Marquez knockout, Pac was never the same again.

the Pac Floyd met was a neutered Pac. nothing like Prime Pac at all.
Was Mayweathee not better 6 year ago, or just Pac?

[Take Your Lumps]

the Pac Floyd met was a neutered Pac. nothing like Prime Pac at all.

This is all Jesus' fault.

[christian1923]

Will Danny Garcia be considered to fight Mayweather next?

[I<3NBA]

Was Mayweathee not better 6 year ago, or just Pac?
the advantage of a technical boxer like Mayweather is that they don't rely on athleticism too much. all things equal, even if they both aged, Pac's aging affected him much greater because he was more reliant on his speed and power.

that was why Floyd wanted no part of Manny in his prime. he waited until Manny was beatable.

[L.Kizzle]

the advantage of a technical boxer like Mayweather is that they don't rely on athleticism too much. all things equal, even if they both aged, Pac's aging affected him much greater because he was more reliant on his speed and power.

that was why Floyd wanted no part of Manny in his prime. he waited until Manny was beatable.
You're saying his power went away after he got comfortable in his current weight class?

[Wally450]

Will Danny Garcia be considered to fight Mayweather next?

Probably. Wasn't he offered the fight like a year ago and turned it down? Said something about a couple more fights at 140?

It would be so one-sided, it would be hilarious.

If Garcia's dad were to talk shit about Mayweather, it would be better than the fight.

[magic chiongson]

Will Danny Garcia be considered to fight Mayweather next?

lamont peterson & amir khan have a better(but still slim) shot at beating mayweather than danny garcia

[IcanzIIravor]

lamont peterson & amir khan have a better(but still slim) shot at beating mayweather than danny garcia

I'm think Khan in the UK, outdoors. Fitting way to go out as a global icon in boxing.

[RedBlackAttack]

Man... this was a good read. Back before Pactards made me start to resent Pacquiao and before this matchup got so damn poisonous.

Ah, the good old days... when it was just about boxing.

[game3524]

the advantage of a technical boxer like Mayweather is that they don't rely on athleticism too much. all things equal, even if they both aged, Pac's aging affected him much greater because he was more reliant on his speed and power.

that was why Floyd wanted no part of Manny in his prime. he waited until Manny was beatable.

:oldlol:

Floyd was quicker five years ago and had more pop in his legs. Any version of Floyd is better then Manny.

Accept it and move on.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Sucks that it came too late to be relevant.

[RedBlackAttack]

Sucks that it came too late to be relevant.
It's so relevant, though. So very relevant.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

It's so relevant, though. So very relevant.

Relevant because of the hype? I don't see how the result is to relevant to anything as far as their legacies but it definitely brought boxing back to the public eye, if only for one night.

[L.Kizzle]

Sucks that it came too late to be relevant.
It's so relevant that Pac is still trying to sell his shoulder injury 2 days later. Lol even seen a picture of his arm in a sling.

[RedBlackAttack]

Relevant because of the hype? I don't see how the result is to relevant to anything as far as their legacies but it definitely brought boxing back to the public eye, if only for one night.
It's relevant because it went exactly the way a lot of people have been saying it would go since ... forever. This fight would have looked no different five years ago.

Actually watching it play out the way I've been saying it would play out makes it incredibly relevant. Even though I was pretty sure Floyd would handle him, you're never 100-percent because sometimes styles make fights and that can be a bit unpredictable. Seeing it actually happen? Different story.

It's not like Pacquiao has been stinking up the ring recently.

Like it or not, this was a legacy fight.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

It's relevant because it went exactly the way a lot of people have been saying it would go since ... forever. This fight would have looked no different five years ago.

Actually watching it play out the way I've been saying it would play out makes it incredibly relevant. Even though I was pretty sure Floyd would handle him, you're never 100-percent because sometimes styles make fights and that can be a bit unpredictable. Seeing it actually happen? Different story.

It's not like Pacquiao has been stinking up the ring recently.

Like it or not, this was a legacy fight.

Eh, I guess I can see where you're coming from. Personally I'm not going to put any stock into a mutually past prime fight but it's true that Floyd still won despite both of their ages and did so handily as far as securing a decision. Still wish that it had happened five years ago though. :oldlol:

[Rooster]

Eh, I guess I can see where you're coming from. Personally I'm not going to put any stock into a mutually past prime fight but it's true that Floyd still won despite both of their ages and did so handily as far as securing a decision. Still wish that it had happened five years ago though. :oldlol:

It could have been a difference story 5 years ago when Pacquaio was still in his prime and was a bad ass and was never afraid to get hit. He's been on a decline since 2011 and that JMM knockout really made him more careful and more hesitant. It's time for him to retire, I don't think he has that hunger anymore.

[L.Kizzle]

It could have been a difference story 5 years ago when Pacquaio was still in his prime and was a bad ass and was never afraid to get hit. He's been on a decline since 2011 and that JMM knockout really made him more careful and more hesitant. It's time for him to retire, I don't think he has that hunger anymore.
Fight wouod have happened if he took blood test.

[RedBlackAttack]

It could have been a difference story 5 years ago when Pacquaio was still in his prime and was a bad ass and was never afraid to get hit. He's been on a decline since 2011 and that JMM knockout really made him more careful and more hesitant. It's time for him to retire, I don't think he has that hunger anymore.
The opponent matters, too. JMM always gave Pacquiao a lot of problems. They've fought four times all at different stages of Pac's career and that's the closest thing, from a pure boxer standpoint, that Pac has ever faced to Mayweather.

Five years ago, Pacquiao was fighting a series of guys who were either devoid of any defensive philosophy (Hatton, Margarito) or don't make you pay for rushing in (Clottey, Diaz, DLH).

Bracketed around all of those wins were two of his fights with JMM. One was a 2008 split decision over Marquez where both guys had moments in a very competitive fight and in 2011... a fight I thought Marquez pretty clearly won, but didn't get the decision (it was a majority decision for Pac).

So, Pac has always looked better against plodding brawlers than he has against counter-punching technicians. Mayweather is better at pretty much everything as compared to JMM. Faster hands, far better defensively, best footwork in the sport, and underrated power...

I don't see the fight going any differently back then.

[Rooster]

The opponent matters, too. JMM always gave Pacquiao a lot of problems. They've fought four times all at different stages of Pac's career and that's the closest thing, from a pure boxer standpoint, that Pac has ever faced to Mayweather.

Five years ago, Pacquiao was fighting a series of guys who were either devoid of any defensive philosophy (Hatton, Margarito) or don't make you pay for rushing in (Clottey, Diaz, DLH).

Bracketed around all of those wins were two of his fights with JMM. One was a 2008 split decision over Marquez where both guys had moments in a very competitive fight and in 2011... a fight I thought Marquez pretty clearly won, but didn't get the decision (it was a majority decision for Pac).

So, Pac has always looked better against plodding brawlers than he has against counter-punching technicians. Mayweather is better at pretty much everything as compared to JMM. Faster hands, far better defensively, best footwork in the sport, and underrated power...

I don't see the fight going any differently back then.

So are you saying Morales and Barrera were plodding brawlers:rolleyes:

And Pacquaio was not the same fighter 5 years ago. Even in his last fights against Algieri or Rios, he was looking for refs to stopped the fight. He could have easily take them out.

Yes JMM always trouble him and Floyd would have given him fits too but prime Pacquaio would have taken more chances.

[Rooster]

Fight wouod have happened if he took blood test.

Yes to even the playing field. :oldlol: I know.

[RedBlackAttack]

So are you saying Morales and Barrera were plodding brawlers:rolleyes:

And Pacquaio was not the same fighter 5 years ago. Even in his last fights against Algieri or Rios, he was looking for refs to stopped the fight. He could have easily take them out.

Yes JMM always trouble him and Floyd would have given him fits too but prime Pacquaio would have taken more chances.
Not plodding brawlers, but also not exactly defensive-minded. Those two guys played to the philosophy of, "I'll take some to land some." That's why they always made for such knock-down, drag-out action fights.

To me, that plays right into Pacquiao's hands. If you take some to land some against him, you're probably going to lose. I don't even think a prime Pacquiao fought against those guys, tbh.

When he destroyed Barrera and lost to Morales, he was still pretty much a one-handed fighter and raw defensively. We're talking 2003-05 in the bantam/featherweight divisions. That was really when Morales/Barrera were at their peak.

I don't think those guys give you much of an idea of how a matchup against Mayweather would look. :confusedshrug:

[Rooster]

Not plodding brawlers, but also not exactly defensive-minded. Those two guys played to the philosophy of, "I'll take some to land some." That's why they always made for such knock-down, drag-out action fights.

To me, that plays right into Pacquiao's hands. If you take some to land some against him, you're probably going to lose. I don't even think a prime Pacquiao fought against those guys, tbh.

When he destroyed Barrera and lost to Morales, he was still pretty much a one-handed fighter and raw defensively back in 2003-05. That was really when Morales/Barrera were at their peak.

I don't think those guys give you much of an idea of how a matchup against Mayweather would look. :confusedshrug:

I agree that Pacquaio was raw but Barrera was a boxer-puncher by the time Pacquaio fought him. He was no longer the brawler when he lost to morales and boxed superbly to school Hamed.

I don't think there's anyone close to Floyd style on Pac resume. JMM was agressive counter puncher and that's why their fights was exciting and Pacquaio did not care about getting hit even though he took some serious leather.

The Pacquaio version that fought Floyd was just not the same Pacquiao. Credit to Floyds controlling the distance by running and warm hugs, Pacquaio was just too content to dance. Not the same Pacquaio who's not afraid to eat leather.

[Tarik One]

To Pac's credit, I think the exposed thing gets blown out of proportion because, to me, it's supposed to mean that a guy was SUPPOSEDLY A-level, fought another A-level guy and was beaten to the point where he was "exposed" as not truly elite.

But the fact is, A-level fighters lose to A-level fighters all the time, it doesn't in itself mean that the guy who lost was not A-level and was "exposed". Case in point: I think a guy who unfairly gets that criticism is Prince Naseem, who was a world champ at featherweight for 7 or 8 years before losing to Barrera. I never understood why losing to one of the greatest fighters in boxing history meant you were "exposed".

Shane Mosley is an all time great, I don't see why he was "exposed" because Forrest and Winky Wright had his number.

Money had Pac's number.

[RedBlackAttack]

To Pac's credit, I think the exposed thing gets blown out of proportion because, to me, it's supposed to mean that a guy was SUPPOSEDLY A-level, fought another A-level guy and was beaten to the point where he was "exposed" as not truly elite.

But the fact is, A-level fighters lose to A-level fighters all the time, it doesn't in itself mean that the guy who lost was not A-level and was "exposed". Case in point: I think a guy who unfairly gets that criticism is Prince Naseem, who was a world champ at featherweight for 7 or 8 years before losing to Barrera. I never understood why losing to one of the greatest fighters in boxing history meant you were "exposed".

Shane Mosley is an all time great, I don't see why he was "exposed" because Forrest and Winky Wright had his number.

Money had Pac's number.
I actually did think Hamed was one of the rare cases where a supposed elite level fighter was exposed as not being one, but I agree with your point in general.

The problem with Hamed was that he had fought virtually no one up to Barrera. His best wins up to that point were Augie Sanchez, who was a stepping stone kind of boxer, and a shot Kevin Kelley... and in that fight, Kelley knocked Naz down a few times.

The elite guys in the featherweight division during the years that Hamed was really making a name for himself were Barrera and Morales... even a guy like Johnny Tapia would have beaten Hamed, imo.

And, as soon as Hamed stepped in the ring with Barrera, you could immediately see the difference in skill level.

Completely agree about Mosley, though. He was one of the best lightweights I have ever seen. He was completely unbeatable in that division. People forget, he jumped several weight classes to beat a prime DLH.

Pacquiao definitely wasn't "exposed" on Saturday, unless you thought he was better than Mayweather... which I never did. He's still a great fighter who has had an incredible legacy.

He met his match... it happens.