Hugh Grant - Worst Actor Ever?

[catzhernandez]

Agree/Disagree? Any other nominees?

[iamgine]

in the famous category? Hugh Grant's not that bad.

Kiera Knightley's pretty bad. Rob Schneider too.

[Lebron23]

Paul " My girlfriend is only 19 yrs.old" Walker
Hayden Christensen aka Anakin Skywalker

[answer323]

quentin tarantino

[iggy>]

ben affleck

[Fallguy20]

Keanu Reeves

:oldlol:

[Lebron23]

This guy I mean **** the Star Wars prequels were decent except for the awful acting. You can't get someone better than this guy to be in Star Wars??????

I agree.

:oldlol: :roll: :oldlol:

[halffttime]

Keanu Reeves

:oldlol:

this guy has one emotion in all his movies.. the "where the fu.ck am i?"..

[arkain]

1 more vote for Paul Walker.

[Fallguy20]

this guy has one emotion in all his movies.. the "where the fu.ck am i?"..

Exactly. The only movie I can think of with him and varried emotions is Bill and Ted, but to be fair this made him perfect for the role in "The Day the Earth Stood Still"

[Knuck the Ficks]

Jason Statham and Hayden Christensen are way worse.

[DonDadda59]

I DESPISE Hugh Grant, my girlfriend talked me into watching some ****fest with Julia Roberts (can't stand her either). She, and pretty much most women, thinks he's 'adorable' and 'charming'. I think he's a mumbling ********* who looks like he's about to pass out from a panic attack no matter what scene he's in.

Also- Ben Affleck, Hayden Christensen, Vin Diesel, Keanu Reeves, Nicolas Cage, Steven Segal, Matthew McCaunahey (sp?), Ashton Kutcher... with the exception of maybe a handful, they ruin every movie they're in.

[catzhernandez]

I DESPISE Hugh Grant, my girlfriend talked me into watching some ****fest with Julia Roberts (can't stand her either). She, and pretty much most women, thinks he's 'adorable' and 'charming'. I think he's a mumbling ********* who looks like he's about to pass out from a panic attack no matter what scene he's in.

Also- Ben Affleck, Hayden Christensen, Vin Diesel, Keanu Reeves, Nicolas Cage, Steven Segal, Matthew McCaunahey (sp?), Ashton Kutcher... with the exception of maybe a handful, they ruin every movie they're in.
:cheers:

[El Kabong]

Jason Statham and Hayden Christensen are way worse.
I can normally deal with Jason Statham since he never really tries to do anything outside his range. Only ever see him do action movies.

[catzhernandez]

What does it say when I still have to Google Jason Statham just to recognize him?

[ZeN]

Most of the actors mention in this thread are gimmick or current good status actors that basically are feeding off of popularity, and dont particularly have great acting skills...

Its all about stereotypes and typecasting for them.. so once that goes out the window.. it become difficult for them to actually create good work..

[YAWN]

he was great in music & lyrics w/ drew barrymore

no homo lol

[ZeN]

What does it say when I still have to Google Jason Statham just to recognize him?


It means that you recognize faces more than names? :confusedshrug:

[catzhernandez]

It means that you recognize faces more than names? :confusedshrug:
It means he isn't a household name.

[DonDadda59]

What does it say when I still have to Google Jason Statham just to recognize him?

Jason Statham actually isn't a bad actor at all, he's no Daniel Day Lewis but he's not on Ben Affleck's level either. Watch 'Snatch', 'Lock Stock and two smoking Barrels', and 'The Bank Job'. He's kind of one dimensional, but it's not a bad dimension. He can do comedy and action, and in the bank job was pretty adept at drama.

[ZeN]

he was great in music & lyrics w/ drew barrymore

[COLOR="White"]no homo lol/COLOR]


He was mediocre and playing the same version of himself that he always plays...


Are you saying that he was actually 'great' in that flic.. or that you are okay with his persona, and there for very much enjoyed the movie?

[catzhernandez]

Watch 'Snatch', 'Lock Stock and two smoking Barrels', and 'The Bank Job'.

Heard good things about the first two.

I only know him from the Transporter movies..

[YAWN]

He was mediocre and playing the same version of himself that he always plays...


Are you saying that he was actually 'great' in that flic.. or that you are okay with his persona, and there for very much enjoyed the movie?

it was more so a joke and thats the only movie i can remember ever watching with him in it :lol

[Fallguy20]

Agree about Jason Statham not being a terrible actor... I consider him more of a Harrison Ford type actor, who basically only plays one character but only because thats exactly what the role calls for.


BTW, didnt realize who we were talking about until just recently as well.
:oldlol:


I only know him from the Transporter movies..
Ittalion Job

[ZeN]

It means he isn't a household name.


I guess Im not the best person to speak about this.. because I profusely seek information on new films and actors.. so its hard for me to keep track of what actors are well known...:oldlol:

William H. Macy to me is well known seeing as how he is a prolific side cast actor.. but to the regular joe, he would not have a clue of who I speak of...:D

[ZeN]

it was more so a joke and thats the only movie i can remember ever watching with him in it :lol
:roll: :roll:

[ZeN]

Heard good things about the first two.

I only know him from the Transporter movies..


For the record both are solid forms of entertainment...

[catzhernandez]

Agree about Jason Statham not being a terrible actor... I consider him more of a Harrison Ford type actor, who basically only plays one character but only because thats exactly what the role calls for.


BTW, didnt realize who we were talking about until just recently as well.
:oldlol:


Ittalion Job
Harrison Ford is BA.

[DonDadda59]

I guess Im not the best person to speak about this.. because I profusely seek information on new films and actors.. so its hard for me to keep track of what actors are well known...:oldlol:

William H. Macy to me is well known seeing as how he is a prolific side cast actor.. but to the regular joe, he would not have a clue of who I speak of...:D

William H Macy's name doesn't even belong in this thread being mentioned with the likes of Ashton Kutcher and Hugh Grant :oldlol:. He was great in Fargo and the Cooler.

Trivia for you, in what 80s cult Classic did Macy play a character named JJ? Hint: it was a martial arts flick, one of his first roles.

[Fallguy20]

Harrison Ford is BA.

Never said he wasnt. Looking at all his work, he has easily put together a HOF worthy list of movies.

-Starwars
-Indiana Jones
-Blade Runner (hate the movie though...)
-Fugitive
-Air Force One

After 2000 he hasnt done much though.

[InspiredLebowski]

Thread hijack in progress

Most overrated ever? I say Eastwood.

[ZeN]

William H Macy's name doesn't even belong in this thread being mentioned with the likes of Ashton Kutcher and Hugh Grant :oldlol:. He was great in Fargo and the Cooler.

Trivia for you, in what 80s cult Classic did Macy play a character named JJ? Hint: it was a martial arts flick, one of his first roles.


I agree that he does not belong with the names aformentioned..

I just meant to state that even if he is a stellar actor.. that does not mean that people actually know who he is...

I loved 'The Cooler' with Bello.. but most people are not even aware that the film exist...



And I do believe that the JJ film that you are mentioning is 'The Last Dragon'

[ZeN]

Never said he wasnt. Looking at all his work, he has easily put together a HOF worthy list of movies.

-Starwars
-Indiana Jones
-Blade Runner (hate the movie though...)
-Fugitive
-Air Force One

After 2000 he hasnt done much though.


he is a contradiction to me.. for I believe that he is both underated and overated by people...

Its all in perspective, I guess...

[ZeN]

Thread hijack in progress

Most overrated ever? I say Eastwood.


As an actor or director?


But regardless of your answer.. I do confess that no matter what you state I would still rate your opinion to be full of dumbassery...

[Fallguy20]

Thread hijack in progress

Most overrated ever? I say Eastwood.

Eastwood? Perhaps as just an actor, but along with his producing and directing of films it is just about right. A close race might be against Pacino.

[DonDadda59]

I agree that he does not belong with the names aformentioned..

I just meant to state that even if he is a stellar actor.. that does not mean that people actually know who he is...

I loved 'The Cooler' with Bello.. but most people are not even aware that the film exist...



And I do believe that the JJ film that you are mentioning is 'The Last Dragon'

Sho'Nuff

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[InspiredLebowski]

As an actor or director?


But regardless of your answer.. I do confess that no matter what you state I would still rate your opinion to be full of dumbassery...

Certainly actor. What's he played other that that mean *******? If there's a role let me know, seriously, maybe some stuff when he was in in his prime?

[RidonKs]

Certainly actor. What's he played other that that mean *******? If there's a role let me know, seriously, maybe some stuff when he was in in his prime?
I consider him more of a pompous ******* in his recurring roles as the Man With No Name.

[Fallguy20]

As an actor or director?


But regardless of your answer.. I do confess that no matter what you state I would still rate your opinion to be full of dumbassery...

Damn... second time you ninja'd me to a point in this very thread... first with JStrath playing the same character every movie and now with the actor/director distinction.

You truely are a Zen Master

[Fallguy20]

I consider him more of a pompous ******* in his recurring roles as the Man With No Name.

Worked for Hitchcock

:rockon:

[Jackass18]

Some of the listed actors aren't that bad (not worst actor ever territory). Plus, it depends on the movie. Ben Affleck hasn't been bad in every movie. Matthew McConaughey? He was good in Dazed and Confused, A Time to Kill, and he was the only thing that didn't suck about The Return of the Texas Chainsaw Massacre. I haven't seen his crappy chickflicks, though.

When I think worst ever, I'm thinking Sofia Coppola in The Godfather: Part III territory. I'm talking sh!t that makes Paul Walker's wooden acting look oscar-worthy. Hell, go watch Plan 9 from Outer Space and then tell me that Ben Affleck should be labeled as the worst actor ever. There's been plenty of people far worse than Ben Affleck. Now, if you're talking about well known actors, then that's a different story.


Most overrated ever? I say Eastwood.

Blasphemy.

[ZeN]

Some of the listed actors aren't that bad (not worst actor ever territory). Plus, it depends on the movie. Ben Affleck hasn't been bad in every movie. Matthew McConaughey? He was good in Dazed and Confused, A Time to Kill, and he was the only thing that didn't suck about The Return of the Texas Chainsaw Massacre. I haven't seen his crappy chickflicks, though.

When I think worst ever, I'm thinking Sofia Coppola in The Godfather: Part III territory. I'm talking sh!t that makes Paul Walker's wooden acting look oscar-worthy. Hell, go watch Plan 9 from Outer Space and then tell me that Ben Affleck should be labeled as the worst actor ever. There's been plenty of people far worse than Ben Affleck. Now, if you're talking about well known actors, then that's a different story.



Blasphemy.


I MUST applaud that ...:applause:

[DonDadda59]

Some of the listed actors aren't that bad (not worst actor ever territory). Plus, it depends on the movie. Ben Affleck hasn't been bad in every movie. Matthew McConaughey? He was good in Dazed and Confused, A Time to Kill, and he was the only thing that didn't suck about The Return of the Texas Chainsaw Massacre. I haven't seen his crappy chickflicks, though.

When I think worst ever, I'm thinking Sofia Coppola in The Godfather: Part III territory. I'm talking sh!t that makes Paul Walker's wooden acting look oscar-worthy. Hell, go watch Plan 9 from Outer Space and then tell me that Ben Affleck should be labeled as the worst actor ever. There's been plenty of people far worse than Ben Affleck. Now, if you're talking about well known actors, then that's a different story.



One of the great tragedies of modern times :ohwell:

And yes, Ben Affleck has been bad in every movie he's ever been in. How do you mess up/overdo a Boston accent when you grew up there?

[Jackass18]

Ben Affleck was fine in Boiler Room and Dazed and Confused (he played a douchebag well).

[DonDadda59]

Ben Affleck was fine in Boiler Room and Dazed and Confused (he played a douchebag well).

Dazed and Confused in retrospect had both McCaunahey and Affleck playing themselves which is why it worked out. Matthew a tang-crazed sleazeball slacker and as you said Ben playing a *********. Anyone can play themselves in a movie, but it's called acting...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CXXzz-SE9w

[DatDudeD]

Ben Affleck<---- daredevil anyone
Paul Walker<---- that california surferboy stuff is getting pretty lame
Keanu Reeves<----- he always looks lost in his own movies and pretty much stays stoneface, he is the mona lisa of actors

yeah those 3 do it for me

[The Magic Man]

I just skimmed the pages and all but did it seriously take 4 pages to mention McCaunahey? Man, my wife and I do the trade-off thing with movies. I pick one, then she picks one. Her movies always has this muthaf*cka in them. I'm always like, "Why the hell we watching this again?" Funny thing is, it's always a new movie.

Regarding Jason Statham, IMO, he isn't bad. He just does the same sh*t over and over. Honestly, I have no idea what the difference is between Crank and Transporter anymore. I say he should just combine them sh*ts and name the next movie Crank That Transporter. Bet no one would notice.

My personal pick, wich I'm sure no one would agree with, is Nicholas Cage. I hate this muthaf*cka. IMO, he isn't believable in any of his roles. He's always the smartest sumb*tch on Earth and the only hope to save the day. This a$$hole is the reason it took me like 2 years to see Ghostrider. And when they mentioned him to play Superman?!!! And he also made the worst movie I have ever seen in my entire life. 8MM. OH MY GOD!!! I saw it in the theatre so I'm figuring, it's been like 10 years. I'm more mature now. Maybe I should watch it again. It can't possibly be that bad. Pfffft. Con Air and Face Off were cool, but I didn't really have this hatred I have for him back then. If he makes another g0d damn National Treasures I'm gonna start looking for his a$$. (edit: just looked it up on Wiki. search has begun:mad:)

[catzhernandez]

Crank That Transporter

:lol

[LJJ]

Thread hijack in progress

Most overrated ever? I say Eastwood.
Haha, that's a bomb. I need some explaining on that one.


Also, I totally agree that Nicolas Cage's face is annoying, but he is not a terrible actor.

[RidonKs]

My personal pick, wich I'm sure no one would agree with, is Nicholas Cage. I hate this muthaf*cka. IMO, he isn't believable in any of his roles. He's always the smartest sumb*tch on Earth and the only hope to save the day. This a$$hole is the reason it took me like 2 years to see Ghostrider. And when they mentioned him to play Superman?!!! And he also made the worst movie I have ever seen in my entire life. 8MM. OH MY GOD!!! I saw it in the theatre so I'm figuring, it's been like 10 years. I'm more mature now. Maybe I should watch it again. It can't possibly be that bad. Pfffft. Con Air and Face Off were cool, but I didn't really have this hatred I have for him back then. If he makes another g0d damn National Treasures I'm gonna start looking for his a$$. (edit: just looked it up on Wiki. search has begun)
For the umpteenth time: Cage is a great actor who's either only in it for the money or has the absolute worst decision making in the entire world.

See: Leaving Las Vegas, Adaptation, The Weatherman, Raising Arizona, Lord of War, Matchstick Men

[The Magic Man]

Haha, that's a bomb. I need some explaining on that one.


Also, I totally agree that Nicolas Cage's face is annoying, but he is not a terrible actor.

Eh. I guess you're right. He's not terrible. I guess I feel he's overrated. I just don't see what the big deal is about that guy.


:lol

Lol, can't wait to see the first Youtube dance video to that one. Wait. Niqqas is getting paid on Youtube now. Time to start working on that sh*t...

[The Magic Man]

For the umpteenth time: Cage is a great actor who's either only in it for the money or has the absolute worst decision making in the entire world.

See: Leaving Las Vegas, Adaptation, The Weatherman, Raising Arizona, Lord of War, Matchstick Men

Okay, I liked Lord of War. I really don't like this dude so I can't say that I've seen the other movies you've listed. Pick one for me to change my mind of this POS. I promise I will give it a unbiased view.

[ZeN]

For the umpteenth time: Cage is a great actor who's either only in it for the money or has the absolute worst decision making in the entire world.

See: Leaving Las Vegas, Adaptation, The Weatherman, Raising Arizona, Lord of War, Matchstick Men



I love all those films by Cage...:applause: also I would include 'The Family Man'

[Randy]

http://www.enjoyfrance.com/images/stories/world/celebrities/hugh-grant.jpg


Oh, dear. I -- I -- I seem to be so charmingly befuddled.

[pete's montreux]

For the umpteenth time: Cage is a great actor who's either only in it for the money or has the absolute worst decision making in the entire world.

See: Leaving Las Vegas, Adaptation, The Weatherman, Raising Arizona, Lord of War, Matchstick Men

I think me and you have dealt with this exact subject...at least 10 times each. Literally, no joke.

[JayGuevara]

After a while, actors that only play one role no matter what movie get to irritate me. Will Ferrell gets a slight pass cuz Anchorman = good. Ben Stiller and the guy from Transporter do not get passes cuz their one role is not as funny to me.

[Randy]

Keanu Reeves was awesome in: Bill and Ted, Point Break, Speed, The Replacements, and The Matrix. He's not the greatest and he stars in some clunkers but he is FAR from being bad.

[The Magic Man]

Keanu Reeves was awesome in: Bill and Ted, Point Break, Speed, The Replacements, and The Matrix. He's not the greatest and he stars in some clunkers but he is FAR from being bad.

:oldlol: Good one.

[DonDadda59]

The only reason Nicolas Cage has an acting career is because his real last name is Coppola.

[spree43]

If we were doing the non sexist thing and including women I'd have the hands down for most overrated and worst ..... Nicole Kidman
I don't get her, i just dont get what its about

As for men, Steven Seagal?

[craigthomasb]

I can normally deal with Jason Statham since he never really tries to do anything outside his range. Only ever see him do action movies.


i think the only man who acts one role only more than statham is danny dyer

he plays the same cockney "semi-hard" man in every movie

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ir--7xxDGl4




i cant stand charlie sheen either, he onyl ever plays a dumb bloke and he never funny

[dashoebox]

Keanu Reeves

:oldlol:


Yea he sucks as an actor but u gotta admit that his acting is perfect for the movie roles he's in. some that come to mind are the day the earth stood still, the matrix, a scanner darkly...all those roles require the one thing keanu reeves is good at...being expression-less

[Smokee]

Nicholas Cage is the worst actor and makes the worst movies.

[RidonKs]

Okay, I liked Lord of War. I really don't like this dude so I can't say that I've seen the other movies you've listed. Pick one for me to change my mind of this POS. I promise I will give it a unbiased view.
Adaptation is one of my favourite movies, but you've got to be prepared for some tripiness. It's written by Charlie Kaufman, who has a tendency to wrap plots so many times around themselves that by the end, you have no idea what he's talking about. Cage is fantastic though, and he actually plays twins in the movie.

Leaving Las Vegas would be the other obvious one - he won awards for that role. Not my personal favourite, but still pretty cool.

The others are fun watches as well.


Nicholas Cage is the worst actor and makes the worst movies.

Be quiet.

[The Magic Man]

Adaptation is one of my favourite movies, but you've got to be prepared for some tripiness. It's written by Charlie Kaufman, who has a tendency to wrap plots so many times around themselves that by the end, you have no idea what he's talking about. Cage is fantastic though, and he actually plays twins in the movie.

Leaving Las Vegas would be the other obvious one - he won awards for that role. Not my personal favourite, but still pretty cool.

The others are fun watches as well.


Be quiet.

I'll start with the vegas one. Lol, not in the mood to be mind f*cked ATM. I'll give him an honest shot. I honestly dont even know what Leaving Las Vegas is about.

[Clifton]

Hugh Grant is far from the worst actor ever. Have any of you seen "About a Boy?" It's one of my favorite performances ever. He may only have the ability to play Hugh Grant, but he really made the guy come alive in "About a Boy." Anyone who can make a character pop out of the screen at you can't be a "bad" actor, even if he can only do it for one character.

[RidonKs]

I don't understand why this conversation continued after Christenson was mentioned.

[Randy]

[QUOTE]Do I have an original thought in my head? My bald head. Maybe if I were happier, my hair wouldn't be falling out. Life is short. I need to make the most of it. Today is the first day of the rest of my life. I'm a walking clich

[Jackass18]

If we were doing the non sexist thing and including women I'd have the hands down for most overrated and worst ..... Nicole Kidman
I don't get her, i just dont get what its about

I'm wit' chu.

[Jackass18]

Okay, I liked Lord of War. I really don't like this dude so I can't say that I've seen the other movies you've listed. Pick one for me to change my mind of this POS. I promise I will give it a unbiased view.

Watch The Wicker Man remake...




i cant stand charlie sheen either, he onyl ever plays a dumb bloke and he never funny

Kill yourself.

[MarloStanfield]

Agree about Jason Statham not being a terrible actor... I consider him more of a Harrison Ford type actor, who basically only plays one character but only because thats exactly what the role calls for.
Shame on you. Harrison Ford is FAR more accomplished than Jason Statham. They should not be mentioned in the same sentence with one another.

LOL @ people claiming Nicholas Cage is a bad actor.

[Jackass18]

Cage has sucked in some movies. Check out The Wicker Man. It's unintentional comedy.

[El Kabong]

Cage has sucked in some movies. Check out The Wicker Man. It's unintentional comedy.
Something that always bugged me about Wicker Man was why were James Franco and Jason Ritter in it at the very end? They're in the movie for a grand total of about 2 minutes and I just can't understand why they'd agree to be in the movie.

[Fallguy20]

Shame on you. Harrison Ford is FAR more accomplished than Jason Statham. They should not be mentioned in the same sentence with one another.


Top of page 3, dues are given. Same sentence worthy? No, not really, but I lacked a better comparison at the time.


I litterally just watched the Wickerman last saterday for the first time and its a damn good thing it was a redbox movie because otherwise I would have probably tried to fight the first person I saw for my money back. Its like, "LETS JUST RUN AROUND FRANTICALLY AND YELL REALLY LOUD AND ACT MOODY AND THEN PUNCH OUT OLD WOMEN IN ORDER TO CONVINCE THE AUDIENCE I REALLY REALLY REALLY WANT MY DAUGHTER BACK!!!! if she is my daughter"

:ohwell:

[The Magic Man]

Shame on you. Harrison Ford is FAR more accomplished than Jason Statham. They should not be mentioned in the same sentence with one another.

LOL @ people claiming Nicholas Cage is a bad actor.

I personaly don't think Cage is a bad actor. I just wouldn't know because the muthaf*cka is the same in 90% of the movies I've seen him in. It just seems like everytime I see him, his character is extreme. Like he can't just be smart, he has to be extremely smart. I don't know. I could just be looking into it too much. I do know I wanted to shoot myself when I saw Next.

As far as Ford. Hey, I'm a Star Wars fan so that's my dude. He's also been in some good movies. Fugitive is still one of my favs till this day. But come on. You make it seem like he's Brando or something. I think he's great at choosing roles more than being a great actor. He's still very good but let's not get carried away.

[phoenix18]

Hugh Grant is not that bad at acting. The worst actor ever has to be Steven Segal. Its not even close.

[RidonKs]

the Wicker Man remake was incredible. One of my favourite movies ever.

[Kungfro]

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/3928/1210557017619.jpg

Not a bad actor, just wish he'd be a little more selective with his roles.

[Sanity]

Hugh Grant is not that bad at acting. The worst actor ever has to be Steven Segal. Its not even close.

Steven Seagal and Jean-Claude Van Damme are GOAT. They have such passion and emotion in films.

Steven Seagal & Van Damme in One True Impact (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juP1RNE8Vqc)

[Smokee]

the Wicker Man remake was incredible. One of my favourite movies ever.


I seriously hope thats sarcasm. Wicker man was probably one of the worst movies i've ever seen, especially that ending. Seriously please tell me you're not serious :bowdown:

[Smokee]

LOL @ people claiming Nicholas Cage is a bad actor.


He started his career out pretty strong. But everything he's done for the last few years has been awful. I don't even rent his movies anymore because they've gotten so bad. I mean everything, from bangkok dangerous, ghostrider, blink, and worst of all Wicker man. If some of you are being serious with Wicker Man being good, please don't ever give advice on movies again thx :ohwell:

[pete's montreux]

Look, we all know Cage has been in some pretty bad films. Obviously, he's doing it for the money, because when he stars in cerebral films that involve actual acting, he's been incredible. You just have to learn to differentiate from the money making pieces of sh*t from the serious roles.

He hasn't made a serious film since what, Lord Of War? 2005, right?

[Smokee]

I don't even think Lord of War was good, it was easily forgettable. The only 2 movies i can think of that he did that deserved some respect are Face Off and i think it was called Leaving Las Vegas(maybe i got the name wrong, its the one where he's an alcoholic). I can't think of much else that he's done that deserves respect.

[RidonKs]

I seriously hope thats sarcasm. Wicker man was probably one of the worst movies i've ever seen, especially that ending. Seriously please tell me you're not serious :bowdown:
It's probably the funniest movie of the decade, and it deserves your respect.

[pete's montreux]

I don't even think Lord of War was good, it was easily forgettable. The only 2 movies i can think of that he did that deserved some respect are Face Off and i think it was called Leaving Las Vegas(maybe i got the name wrong, its the one where he's an alcoholic). I can't think of much else that he's done that deserves respect.

Out of all his great movies, you pick a piece of sh*t like Face Off? What the f*ck is wrong with you?

[Smokee]

Out of all his great movies, you pick a piece of sh*t like Face Off? What the f*ck is wrong with you?


Face Off was WAY better than Lord of War. Lord of War was ****ing stupid. It was as predictable a gun runner movie as i've ever seen, and i'd never watch that **** again. Face Off on the other hand was easily watchable, more than once. It wasn't nearly as superficial as the later Mission Impossible's but it has all of its style, and even a decent storyline. Travolta was good in it too.

Either way, Cage's movie legacy isn't all that great :ohwell:

[KeylessEntry]

Hugh Grant does make absolutely unbearable movies, but he is definitely not the worst actor ever.

Its tough to pick one worst actor since there are so many terrible ones, if I had to pick one it would be Steven Segal.

[ikoiko]

It's probably the funniest movie of the decade, and it deserves your respect.

best scenes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6i2WRreARo)

the bees! THE BEES!!!

this is amazing.
:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[ukplayer4]

most of you retards dont even understand what acting is, seriously.



hugh grant?
nicolas cage?
harrison ford?
van damme actually put in one of the most acclaimed performances of last year.



hugh grant is actually a pretty decent actor, it is important to remember that many actors have no range, he is one of them, obviously. as a convincing screen presence- the most significant part of acting- he is pretty decent and has been in some very very good films and a handful of masterpieces.


in all honesty if we are can discuss hugh grant then we can discuss will smith, similar one dimensional actor, just a different on screen character. neither can carry a film with their performance, both can be leading men in quality films. smith i will concede brings maybe a slight extra emotional dimension but they are in many ways comparable, and i actually quite like smith but he is very much loved by people who lap up the schmoltz and popcorn fodder films of which he mainly stars in.

[Jackass18]

Yes, I think some confuse not liking an actor/an actor getting on their nerves with saying he can't act.

[magi]

Pete I thought you were a movie buff?
You actually going to sit there and tell me Face Off was a bad action flick?

God I remember the movies you picked in your top 20 (for the action genre) and like half of them weren't better then Face Off.

I can't stand Nicolas Cage but Face Off was arguably his 2nd best movie behind Leaving Las Vegas.

[Fallguy20]

Yes, I think some confuse not liking an actor/an actor getting on their nerves with saying he can't act.

Agree, which is why I wasnt too surprised I heard many people disagreeing with Keanu Reeves. Personally, I love the guy and some of his movies, but I can admit he cant really act worth shiet.



in all honesty if we are can discuss hugh grant then we can discuss will smith, similar one dimensional actor, just a different on screen character. neither can carry a film with their performance, both can be leading men in quality films. smith i will concede brings maybe a slight extra emotional dimension but they are in many ways comparable, and i actually quite like smith but he is very much loved by people who lap up the schmoltz and popcorn fodder films of which he mainly stars in.

Stop.Talking.About.Such.Things.You.Know.Nothing.Ab out.

srsly... im trying to comprehend... we made an ENTIRE THREAD about Will Smiths greatness and him only needing one solid villan role to cement him as one of the top GOAT actors EVER.

:hammerhead:
rep to anybody who finds it

[MarloStanfield]

I personaly don't think Cage is a bad actor. I just wouldn't know because the muthaf*cka is the same in 90% of the movies I've seen him in. It just seems like everytime I see him, his character is extreme. Like he can't just be smart, he has to be extremely smart. I don't know. I could just be looking into it too much. I do know I wanted to shoot myself when I saw Next.

As far as Ford. Hey, I'm a Star Wars fan so that's my dude. He's also been in some good movies. Fugitive is still one of my favs till this day. But come on. You make it seem like he's Brando or something. I think he's great at choosing roles more than being a great actor. He's still very good but let's not get carried away.
Well because you personally think he's a bad actor doesn't mean that he is. If you think he is a bad actor I doubt you are familiar with these titles:

Leaving Las Vegas, Wild At Heart, Raising Arizona.

When did I ever mention that Harrison Ford was a great actor? I stated that he and Jason Statham should not be mentioned in the same breath. Jason Statham is a sh*tty action actor.

[InspiredLebowski]

So I guess I should clarify my Eastwood statement. Firstly, I overstepped when I said most overrated EVER. He certainly isn't that. He's just always spoken of so highly and I just don't understand why, he always seems to play the same role to me, the crotchety mean bastard that'd be quicker to shoot you than let you explain yourself. Perhaps I need to see more of his catalog. Sorta fallen into the Denzel category, not so much playing a character, just himself.

[Jackass18]

[QUOTE=magi

[Undisputed]

John Cena has to be high up in the worst actor catagory. I can't believe they keep making movies with that guy.

[Fallguy20]

Shirley, you can't be serious. Will Smith is far from being one of the top actors ever.

Oh, but I am. Find the Will Smith thread, no need to retype what has already been spoken.


And dont falking call me Shirley...

[Ron Mexico]

Freddie Prinze Jr is the worst actor ever.


.



ever.

[pete's montreux]

[quote=magi

[ukplayer4]

Agree, which is why I wasnt too surprised I heard many people disagreeing with Keanu Reeves. Personally, I love the guy and some of his movies, but I can admit he cant really act worth shiet.




Stop.Talking.About.Such.Things.You.Know.Nothing.Ab out.

srsly... im trying to comprehend... we made an ENTIRE THREAD about Will Smiths greatness and him only needing one solid villan role to cement him as one of the top GOAT actors EVER.

:hammerhead:
rep to anybody who finds it



LMAO, THE IRONY!

important points of consideration....

1. you are a ****ing retard
2. so because you found some people as stupid as yourself to debate the merits and acting genuis of will smith suddenly everyone has ignore fact and just conclude that he is a great actor cause you decided it to be so?
3. you are a ****ing retard


4.
only needing one solid villan role to cement him as one of the top GOAT actors EVER.


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

a solid villan role ay?

i think it is quite evident by this statment alone what your level of appreciation is.....SERIOUSLY? a solid villan role dude?

oh once will smith puts in that solid villan role performance whos to stop him?

thats what "we" decided did we?




so come on then ish, whos owning up to this? come on.... lets just see if everyone is as with you on this as you claim. anyone willing to admit it?

[Goon Time]

hugh grant just does weak shit more than he's that bad. that Hayden Christensen kid is the worst working actor today. Jason Stathum is so ****ing played out, that mother****er does 12 movies a year for the last 3 years and it's 99% shitty. you see that name of the king quest for fire shit? i felt like driving down to the studios and ****ing people up for letting it get to the public.

[spree43]

W**l Sm*** is a ****ing good actor

I hide his name because it is a sacrilage that his name is even mentioned in this thread, and I don't want to be a part of that

He could be the best actor today without an oscar

It like you fell in a time capsule in 2001 and have just awoken, alot of sh** has gone down since then

If you haven't seen The Pursuit of Happiness, Ali, 7 pounds and I am Legend then don't comment on W*** S**** and if you have and still make this comment, then just don't talk at all

[The Magic Man]

Well because you personally think he's a bad actor doesn't mean that he is. If you think he is a bad actor I doubt you are familiar with these titles:

Leaving Las Vegas, Wild At Heart, Raising Arizona.

When did I ever mention that Harrison Ford was a great actor? I stated that he and Jason Statham should not be mentioned in the same breath. Jason Statham is a sh*tty action actor.


Instead of me arguing with you for no reason, you should probably read what I typed again. I'm guessing you missread it. I just said I DIDN'T think he was a bad actor. I just said I don't like him. And as far as Ford vs Statham, aight.

[Norcaliblunt]

Shaq?

[Clifton]

Jason Stathum is so ****ing played out, that mother****er does 12 movies a year for the last 3 years and it's 99% ****ty.
True, but Crank is one of my favorite movies ever, so he gets a pass from me.

[GOBB]

Keanu Reeves and Arnold Swartz off the top of my dome.

[Jackass18]

Your dome has failed you. Sly is worse than Ahnold. I can't understand half the sh!t Stallone mumbles in his movies. I'm actually surprised nobody has mentioned Stallone's sh!ttiness. Apparently, mumbling like a retard passes for acting in some movies... It's like the guy did Rocky so people forgive all of his terrible movies.

[pete's montreux]

Stallone is a great actor when he wants to be.

Rocky I, II, III
First Blood
Cop Land

[Jackass18]

I find First Blood to be highly, highly overrated. Stallone's acting is only good when he plays a retard (like in Rocky). I like Demolition Man, though. His corniness works in that movie. His mumbling and retarded facial expressions (he seems to think looking constipated = acting) usually don't do it for me.

[pete's montreux]

What's overrated about it?

[Fallguy20]

mmmkay, lets break this down now civil like


1. you are a ****ing retard

Keen observation... for an inbred, snaggletooted mofo from "across the pond". However, im actually an eccentric, and thus since its so ez to get it confused with retard ill give you a pass.
(btw, im not the person to bring up "retards" with...



2. so because you found some people as stupid as yourself to debate the merits and acting genuis of will smith suddenly everyone has to ignore fact and just conclude that he is a great actor cause you decided it to be so?
Your telling me that with all the time he has left in his career he will not become a GOAT actor? Really? I suppose the house of GOAT is a bit more closeminded in your sense... let me guess, your next move is to list a number of actors better then him, right? Considering all the different styles, achievement and impact on cinematography, GOAT in acting has many rooms in the same house.



3. you are a ****ing retard

Good insult... where have I heard it before? GTFO with that insult, because eventually I will bring up the "argueing online is like winning the special olympics..." picture and then what turn does your arguement take?



4. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

a solid villan role ay?

i think it is quite evident by this statment alone what your level of appreciation is.....SERIOUSLY? a solid villan role dude?

Just keep saying it to yourself, it actually roles off the tongue... kinda like my *** will after I rape you in your sleep. He has proved versatility (hardly the one dimensional actor you attempted to portray him as) and he has proved a crowd pleaser (check his box office numbers... popular vote counts) and he just can solidify himself as a fantastic/goat actor with one more knockout.



so come on then ish, whos owning up to this? come on.... lets just see if everyone is as with you on this as you claim. anyone willing to admit it?

I dont expect them to, but perhaps the 'mericans on this board will unite together and surprise you just because... well, your different.
:ohwell:

[Jackass18]

What's overrated about it?

The whole movie. I can't give specifics since I haven't seen it in years. In general, I thought the movie was stupid.

[pete's montreux]

The whole movie. I can't give specifics since I haven't seen it in years. In general, I thought the movie was stupid.
Really? I've never heard that movie described like that before. If anything, during It's time, I'm sure it was a sigh of relief to see a movie that dealt with post Vietnam war situations. In reality, it wasn't really a war film, or action film. It was John Rambo's cry for help. He goes from being an important asset to the armed forces and the government, to being a secluded drifter who's barely hanging on. It's actually a pretty deep movie with a sensitive subject line, especially for the time, though could have been executed better probably.

They pretty much ruined that concept with the second and third...and fourth films.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzZqa70p7MQ

[Lamar Doom]

Stallone is a great actor when he wants to be.



I don't think "when he wants to be" is the case at all. "when the role is not a stretch for him" is what it is

[pete's montreux]

I don't think "when he wants to be" is the case at all. "when the role is not a stretch for him" is what it is

Was Cop Land a stretch for him? Nope. He should've at least been nominated for best actor that year.

[DonDadda59]

People need to understand that there's a difference (usually) between movie stars and actors. Guys like Tom Cruise, Brad Pitt, Will Smith, etc are box office draws because of w/e perceived appeal they have to the masses, it's not necesarily based on acting talent. That's not to say that they can't act, but to say the Fresh Prince is one of the 'GOAT actors' is absurd, I can name 100 better, more versatile, w/e criteria you want to use, actors working right now. Sometimes it happens that the box office guy is also a great actor (Brando, Denzel even though he's lazy at times, Jack Nicholson, and others). People like Will Smith because he's non-threatening, charismatic, and has a great smile. He's a good actor, but that's all you can say. He doesn't have much range and he can't play darker characters, his attempt in 'Hancock' was awful I kept thinking to myself 'why is the fresh prince frowning so much'. He's the biggest movie star on the planet right now and he's carved out a nice little niche for himself, but he's FAR from the best actor doing it.

[spree43]

Brad Pitt and Will Smith have put up some of the best acting performances of the last few years, the fact that they are box office draws doesn't take away from that

That it has actually probably worked against them as far as being recognosed for their acting
Benjamin Button, Jesse James, Babel
the will smiths ones I already mentioned are great acting performances

They cannot be in this arguement

The worst actors are teh box office draws who can't act, most already mentioned

[DonDadda59]

Brad Pitt and Will Smith have put up some of the best acting performances of the last few years, the fact that they are box office draws doesn't take away from that

That it has actually probably worked against them as far as being recognosed for their acting
Benjamin Button, Jesse James, Babel
the will smiths ones I already mentioned are great acting performances

They cannot be in this arguement

The worst actors are teh box office draws who can't act, most already mentioned

I agree, certain names shouldn't be mentioned here but that's where the flow lead. And Pitt is extremely underrated and he gets better with every movie he does, so I guess he's on the borderline between very good actor and box office draw. I've never seen a Will Smith movie where I left thinking 'wow, this guy's a bad actor' but at the same time I've never thought it was anything extraordinary either, and I've seen everything he's been in more or less (Six degrees of Seperation he wasn't all that good in, but I think it was his first big movie role, so can't hold it against him). Pitt is more versatile and overall a better actor than Smith.

[Jackass18]

Nobody's saying Will Smith is amongst the worst actors, we're just saying that he's not amongst the best either.

[johndeeregreen]

Was Cop Land a stretch for him? Nope. He should've at least been nominated for best actor that year.
I thought Cop Land was a pretty darn good flick. I read somewhere that it totally set his career back, though.

[DonDadda59]

Nobody's saying Will Smith is amongst the worst actors, we're just saying that he's not amongst the best either.
^ Exactly

[White Chocolate]

Nothing tops Jake Busey. Perfect example of someone getting into the business and living off their parent's name.

[DonDadda59]

Nothing tops Jake Busey. Perfect example of someone getting into the business and living off their parent's name.

Drew Barrymore, Colin Hanks, Charlie Sheen (Carlos Estevez) and his brother Emilio, the list goes on- Hollywood is a family business. Future movie stars will be Will Smith's, Brad and Angelina's, and Tom Cruise's kids.

[Fallguy20]

Nobody's saying Will Smith is amongst the worst actors, we're just saying that he's not amongst the best either.

Concur/Concede

[ukplayer4]

Concur/Concede




no you have simply realised the stupidity in what you were saying.

one villan role to be among the greatest actors of alltime..... BWHAHAHAHAHA


i shouldnt really respond to your post at all, its just pitiful. but oh well....





Your telling me that with all the time he has left in his career he will not become a GOAT actor?

no, i simply rediculed you for saying he was among the greatets actors off alltime with one more solid performance- just think about what you are saying and you will look far less stupid, what he may do with the rest of his career we have no idea, based on what he has done, only retarded, easily entertained simple minded people consider him among the greatets actors of alltime, it would have to be the kind of people that cried during bad boys and found independance day a thouroughly moving and emotional experience.




Really? I suppose the house of GOAT is a bit more closeminded in your sense..

i dont really understand what you are saying here, i think what you are saying is my list is short for alltime great actors....that would be no



let me guess, your next move is to list a number of actors better then him, right?

1. no, that would be stupid and alot would come down to opinion
2. i would be here all ****ing week
3. i just compared him to hugh grant, favorably but still.




Considering all the different styles, achievement and impact on cinematography, GOAT in acting has many rooms in the same house.


ok, this really does make absoloutly no ****ing sense whatsoever, acting as an acievement in and impact on cinematography? WTF? i think maybe you are confused about what cinematography is, im not suprised.





Good insult... where have I heard it before? GTFO with that insult, because eventually I will bring up the "argueing online is like winning the special olympics..." picture and then what turn does your arguement take?



someone calling you a retard? im sure you hear it all the time.





He has proved versatility (hardly the one dimensional actor you attempted to portray him as) and he has proved a crowd pleaser (check his box office numbers... popular vote counts) and he just can solidify himself as a fantastic/goat actor with one more knockout.


his versatility is more than questionable, persoanly i would say he hasnt shown it. a crowd pleaser he is, and thats where your misconception lays, you say box office numbers/popular vote counts- this is where you are sorely mistaken, no one with any credibility in any field of art would ever say something like this, its total lunacy. i will go as far as to say the vast vast vast majority of films that have challenging or highly regarded perfomances do not do well at the box office. most people know this. but you obviously being easily pleased by sparkly things that are devoid of any substance. citing box office figures as a mark of acting capability is just beyond any level of stupidity i can fathom. you simply loose all creadibility to comment on film in any way whatsoever, period.




I dont expect them to, but perhaps the 'mericans on this board will unite together and surprise you just because... well, your different.
:ohwell


:violin:

[magi]

I agree, certain names shouldn't be mentioned here but that's where the flow lead. And Pitt is extremely underrated and he gets better with every movie he does, so I guess he's on the borderline between very good actor and box office draw. I've never seen a Will Smith movie where I left thinking 'wow, this guy's a bad actor' but at the same time I've never thought it was anything extraordinary either, and I've seen everything he's been in more or less (Six degrees of Seperation he wasn't all that good in, but I think it was his first big movie role, so can't hold it against him). Pitt is more versatile and overall a better actor than Smith.

Wait, you're telling me you didn't appreciate Will Smith in Pursuit of Happyness? Wow.

You're tough to impress I guess.

[RidonKs]

one villan role to be among the greatest actors of alltime..... BWHAHAHAHAHA
It isn't even the fact that Smith has a long way to go before being considered as one of the greatest of all time, or even his generation, that's funny. It's the fact that Fallguy is boiling his argument down to "one more villain role", as if Smith's resume will finally be complete upon playing the hero, the villain, and an undefined. Pretending that protagonist and antagonist are all there is, just the guy the audience hopes for and the one they hope against - that's funny.

But lol at Smith being amongst the greatest.

[pete's montreux]

I'm not even sure that Will Smith is a top 10/15 actor working right now.

[pete's montreux]

I thought Cop Land was a pretty darn good flick. I read somewhere that it totally set his career back, though.

Didn't even see this until now. Care to elaborate on what you read? Cop Land is one of my favorites, so I'm interested.

[jamal99]

Jason Statham and Hayden Christensen are way worse.

No way, he's not that bad...

[DonDadda59]

[QUOTE=magi

[magi]

I am a tough critic, I'll give you that. I've been a fan of Will's since his fresh prince days (who wasn't ?) and he's not at all a bad actor, he's decent, not at all versatile and relies more on his charm than talent. Like I said before, Hancock was supposed to be his 'anti-hero' role and it was just him frowning the whole movie. His box office draw is easy to see, but let's not get carried away here.

De Niro isn't exactly versatile either. Majority of his movies are about mafia or being the bad guy etc. He is still considered by many the best actor of all time.

Look at one of my all-time favorite actors, Heath Ledger. He has never really had an opportunity to star in a blockbuster film (same with Will Smith), back in his Independence Days he wasn't as good or as versatile as an actor as he is today. I hope Will gets an opportunity to star in a serious role because I have no doubt he'd hit it out of the park, the same way Heath did in The Dark Knight.

Saying Will isn't among the top 10/15 current actors today isn't saying much because there are still a ton of really good actors out there. Being top 10/15 or on the borderline of that mark to me is being one of the best.

[DonDadda59]

[QUOTE=magi

[ukplayer4]

[QUOTE=magi

[magi]

this is even more retarded than the person who suggested will smith is on the cusp of being one of the greatets actors of alltime.....


:hammerhead: :hammerhead:
not seen many deniro films then?

blockbuster film= serious role?!?!?!?!?!!? :hammerhead:
will smith hasnt gotten the chance to be in a block buster film?????? :hammerhead:

someone else address this post i dont even know where to begin....

will smith is not on the boarder of being one of the best actors around, unless you only count lead actors, in soley blockbuster films, who mainly make kids films. oh unless you count best actor as the person who is an average actor but is in the films that arnt considered very good but cost alot and make alot of money..... yeah by that criteria hed have a strong case.

Yeah because evaluating actors has no subjectivity whatsoever. :rolleyes:
I find Will Smith a terrific actor and I think he has grown a lot as an actor, you don't agree?

I could care less. Name me 15 actors better then him.

It's actually quit easy to be a jackass on this forum without really explaining anything.

[magi]

When I say Will hasn't had a chance to be in a blockbuster film, I mean exactly that. I don't mean a ****ing Armageddon film where the movie sells 70 million in sales, I mean a movie where he has a top notch director and terrific cast around him. Heath Ledger has always been a terrific actor but he has never had a chance to perform in a movie with a ton of talent, which is why he consistently was overlooked.

A guy like Morgan Freeman is the epitome of what I mean, guy had so many supporting roles in top notch movies that I've lost count.

Robert De Niro did not direct all of those legendary movies, he was fortunate to star in movies where a legendary director was present or incredbile supporting cast was present. You don't think that boosted his career or reputation?

You actually think he'd be in the same pedestal if he did not work with such talent through out his career?

I feel Will has not had that chance yet, Heath did in The Dark Knight (top notch cast and a terrific director in Nolan)

[ukplayer4]

and another thing, besides deniro actually having put in some of his greatest performances as non mafia types/bad guys. being verstile does not actually dictate the quality of the actor, sure it is good to be versatile but in actuality what is a far greater factor is screen presence. deniro has this on a level that has rarely if ever been seen before, he dominates the screen, he totally captivates.

[magi]

and another thing, besides deniro actually having put in some of his greatest performances as non mafia types/bad guys. being verstile does not actually dictate the quality of the actor, sure it is good to be versatile but in actuality what is a far greater factor is screen presence. deniro has this on a level that has rarely if ever been seen before, he dominates the screen, he totally captivates.

We were talking about versatility not whether or not De Niro is a top notch actor. We all know he is a living legend on screen.

[DonDadda59]

[QUOTE=magi

[ukplayer4]

your stupididty continues.


When I say Will hasn't had a chance to be in a blockbuster film, I mean exactly that. I don't mean a ****ing Armageddon film where the movie sells 70 million in sales, I mean a movie where he has a top notch director and terrific cast around him.[/QUOTE

you actually mean the opposite of what you think you mean, armegedon is exactly the epitome of a blockbuster film- big budget/big money return, comericial piss....**** why am i even bothering to reply to your moronic crap when you dont even know what you are saying?


[QUOTE]I mean a movie where he has a top notch director and terrific cast around him

so will smith (the biggest film star in the world probably) hasnt had the oppertunity to work with talented people......awesome...this just gets better and better :roll: and why exactly is he not working with the great directors? possibly because he is more a star than a great actor and can carry the will smith films quite well because after all they are mainly vehicles for him to be the will smith that everyone loves. has a creadible independant/semi independant deemed him capable of a weighty performance in a film that relys heavily on his performance(the persuit of happyness aside)? what about an intimate character study?



Heath Ledger has always been a terrific actor but he has never had a chance to perform in a movie with a ton of talent, which is why he consistently was overlooked

you claim to be a heath ledger fan and yet you arnt even aware he was considered a good actor before dark knight? :hammerhead:

being nominated for best actor in what was considered the best film of that year is being over looked?




Robert De Niro did not direct all of those legendary movies, he was fortunate to star in movies where a legendary director was present or incredbile supporting cast was present. You don't think that boosted his career or reputation?

You actually think he'd be in the same pedestal if he did not work with such talent through out his career?

I feel Will has not had that chance yet, Heath did in The Dark Knight (top notch cast and a terrific director in Nolan)



god almighty, you are evaluating film in the same way the you would an nba player, its laughable, its more than laughable. great actors do not even need to be in good films to put in good performances, much less work with premium film makers, there are plenty of actors that put in very good performances in average to poor films. now great directors can elevate the performances of the actors but if you are talking about any good actor they produce almost regardless. it is unfair to rank actors by the greatness of films that they are in. film is a directors medium not the actors'. but at the same time their performances and to what degree the 'acting' was significant in making the film great are a consideration.

[magi]

It's stupidity, at least spell it right before insulting someone.

I know what a blockbuster film is, I was trying to explain to you what I meant by blockbuster, I was explaining to you why Will Smith did not get much recognition thus far. He has starred in a blockbuster film (by definition) in Independence Day before, but I don't think he has starred with a blockbuster supporting cast. Heath has always been a terrific actor to me, The Dark Knight put him over the top. Why? Because the supporting cast with Nolan gave him that spotlight. Something movies like Brokeback Mountain did not. He did star in a blockbuster film (Monster's Ball) but he did not really get a leading role in that movie.


My point regarding having a great supporting cast is that it helps actors gain reputation. How many people thought Heath Ledger was a terrific actor before The Dark Knight came out? How many of them bothered to rent a movie with him in it (minus a strong supporting cast)? I'm sure his fan base grew by 50% after that his Joker performance.

Don, regarding your post. Directors do pick the best actors to star in their movies but perhaps because Will never was given that chance yet, is the reason he was never picked yet.

Like I said, Pursuit of Happyness did not have a strong supporting cast, it was not a mainstream movie but Will nailed it out of the park. His performance in that movie was very similar to Don Cheadle's Hotel Rwanda, it was very emotional.

But again, everyone evaluate actors in a different way. You guys might not like Smith for the same reason's I do.

[Fallguy20]

Subjectivity... hits the nail on the head. The thing is that your never going to really change peoples personal views on matters that really lack such significance and eventually you get to the point where you look like the jackass as opposed to everybody else whos opinions you hold in contempt.

You dont think he is a great actor? Thats perfectly fine, but get off other peoples junk when they say who they find to be a terrific actor (like you dont ever do the same) and realize they have better things to do then argue with a dumbshiet about it over a forum. No issue with anybody giving grief over it once or twice but trying to push like a goddamn five year old doesnt help anybody.

:ohwell:

Dondadda, props because you did WAAAY earlier in this thread what I just tried to do here.

[ukplayer4]

[QUOTE=magi

[InspiredLebowski]

How do you talk about de Niro w/o mentioning Raging Bull or Brazil?

[ukplayer4]

retardia continues to infect this forum


He has starred in a blockbuster film (by definition) in Independence Day before
so what the **** are the rest of his films? initmate mood pieces?



Heath has always been a terrific actor to me, The Dark Knight put him over the top. Why? Because the supporting cast with Nolan gave him that spotlight. Something movies like Brokeback Mountain did not.

totall bull****, he was nominated for best actor at the ****ing oscars for brokeback mountain- thats the highest degree of recognition there is in this world. if you want to try and claim he suddenly hit big time with the dark knight you are not only deluded but also you not only value the big glossy action movie over the drama but you have formed your opinion from the impression you have gotten from people that think the same- idiots.
broke back mountain was a higher acclaimed film than the dark knight and probably actually had a better supporting cast. ang lee is also probably the equal of nolan but you dont see any of this all you see is the big noise that was made over the dark knight.



My point regarding having a great supporting cast is that it helps actors gain reputation. How many people thought Heath Ledger was a terrific actor before The Dark Knight came out?

anyone of relevance saw broke back and had heath atleast joint favorite best performance that year. what you are reffering to is kids and people who dont aprieciate films as not recognising heaths performance in brokeback, probably cause they didnt see it, probably cause "i aint on that *** ****"
if these are the opinions you value then you are pretty stupid.

[ukplayer4]

Subjectivity... hits the nail on the head. The thing is that your never going to really change peoples personal views on matters that really lack such significance and eventually you get to the point where you look like the jackass as opposed to everybody else whos opinions you hold in contempt.

You dont think he is a great actor? Thats perfectly fine, but get off other peoples junk when they say who they find to be a terrific actor (like you dont ever do the same) and realize they have better things to do then argue with a dumbshiet about it over a forum. No issue with anybody giving grief over it once or twice but trying to push like a goddamn five year old doesnt help anybody.

:ohwell:

Dondadda, props because you did WAAAY earlier in this thread what I just tried to do here.




we are here to debate are we not?


mr.will smith needs one more performance for alltime goat status.

[magi]

I don't know a single male who saw Brokeback Mountain, you seriously think (besides your queer ass) Heath got as much recognition for his role in that movie then The Dark Knight.

We are here to debate, not to insult other posters.

[Jailblazers7]

[QUOTE=magi

[ukplayer4]

i mentioned raging bull with one of my first examples of classic deniro performances


brazil i have not seen (embarassed)

[magi]

I saw Brokeback Mountain.

That's nice, I don't know you though.

[Jailblazers7]

[QUOTE=magi

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Crossover brings up a solid point. Ukplaya4 bein the f*ckin Nitbritwitless snob he is, up and exaggerated the sh!t outta Willy's mediocrity. Lay off the insults pen!schap, and treat Fallguy with respect and try to understand his perspective. I see how you're a brilliant film connoiseur and all.. trained by the finest schools, but if you can't see how Men In Black, Indepedence Day, Enemy OF THE STATE (sry slipup), Pursuit of Happiness solidified Smith as at least an "above-average actor", then I don't know what to do with you. You're just full of hatred for the common peasant's movie choises, aren't you royal chumbucket?

[magi]

Well now you know of a single male who has seen Brokeback Mountain.

I didn't mean it like that. I don't care if anyone saw that movie I'm just saying because of what the movie is about, many male movie lovers will not watch that movie. So it's absolutely laughable that the poster claimed Brokeback brought similar recognition to Heath's career as The Dark Knight.

Yet he calls me dumb. :rolleyes:

[magi]

Crossover brings up a solid point. Ukplaya4 bein the f*ckin Nitbritwitless snob he is, up and exaggerated the sh!t outta Willy's mediocrity. Lay off the insults pen!schap, and treat Fallguy with respect and try to understand his perspective. I see how you're a brilliant film connoiseur and all.. trained by the finest schools, but if you can't see how Men In Black, Indepedence Day, Enemy At The Gates, Pursuit of Happiness solidified Smith as at least an "above-average actor", then I don't know what to do with you. You're just full of hatred for the common peasant's movie choises, aren't you royal chumbucket?

Will Smith starred in Enemy At The Gates? No way man.
Jude Law starred in it and Ed Harris, I don't remember Will in that movie.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

ukplaya4's entire repertoire of "smarts" consists of agreeing with well-renowned film critics and knowing the physics behind silicon breastes

He ain't exactly in a position to call others dumb.

[rufuspaul]

Crossover brings up a solid point. Ukplaya4 bein the f*ckin Nitbritwitless snob he is, up and exaggerated the sh!t outta Willy's mediocrity. Lay off the insults pen!schap, and treat Fallguy with respect and try to understand his perspective. I see how you're a brilliant film connoiseur and all.. trained by the finest schools, but if you can't see how Men In Black, Indepedence Day, Enemy At The Gates, Pursuit of Happiness solidified Smith as at least an "above-average actor", then I don't know what to do with you. You're just full of hatred for the common peasant's movie choises, aren't you royal chumbucket?

Damn, I wanted the title of royal chumbucket.

[DonDadda59]

[QUOTE=magi

[ukplayer4]

[QUOTE=magi

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Think he meant Enemy of the State w/ Gene Hackman
Shush it Chachi.

[MarloStanfield]

because the people you associate yourself with are uncultured morons like you. and therein lies the real issue.


recognition from the film world- awards/critics etc?
if not the equal it was a more acclaimed performance.

recognition from you and your absent minded chums running around in your batman costumes, endlessly rewatching wild wild west with your big willie style t-shirts on, marvelling at your own reflection and things that glow in the dark, sniffing your mothers underwear, sorrowfully speculating why carlton didnt get to play daniel day lewis' part in there will be blood after a drug infused freash prince of bel air marathon... (probably concluding that its race related)?????

no probably he didnt.
awesome.

[ukplayer4]

[QUOTE=magi

[DonDadda59]

Shush it Chachi.

But Ashraf, Joanie LOVES Chachi... you should too :oldlol:

[Smokee]

Yeah Will Smith is underrated. The problem is people are partial to old school classics so there won't be anyone more new on the level of Pacino, Deniro. Its a joke people put Heath Ledger on that huge pedestal mostly from just playing the Joker, which is ridiculously overhyped imo, and then dying which just makes him hyped x 1000. I don't even put him with Will Smith considering all of the type of roles Will Smith has played, and played well. Considering where he came from, how he got here, and how long he's been relevant at the top of the box office as a movie lead, the only reason he doesn't get the credit is he's not dead yet.

[ukplayer4]

[QUOTE=magi

[catzhernandez]

The cinematography in BrokeBack Mountain was sweeeetttt. I loved the part when the sheep were grazing and bleating and the score was oh so peaceful.

Wait nevermind I'm not a ****ing homo like canadianballer, so disregard that tangent.

[Smokee]

so, what you mean is homophobic people? if you are even remotley interested in movies you see the most acclaimed film that year regardless. once again we see the familar.....**** are you sure you arnt harbouring some repressed latent homosexual tendancies?


answer these questions...

have you actually seen brokeback mountain?
how many times?(whole film, not just your favorite sceens from the mixtape you edited)


Its tough enough to handle seeing 2 men kiss in public, watching a movie about it..... can't say i blame any guy for not wanting to watch it. I mean i'll be the first to admit i like some gay ****(like Les Miserables) but no way i could handle watching Brokeback. Actually it came on cable, and i still couldn't watch it :ohwell:

[catzhernandez]

DonDadda59, how'd you get around to knowing J$'s name?

[ukplayer4]

Its tough enough to handle seeing 2 men kiss in public, watching a movie about it..... can't say i blame any guy for not wanting to watch it. I mean i'll be the first to admit i like some gay ****(like Les Miserables) but no way i could handle watching Brokeback. Actually it came on cable, and i still couldn't watch it :ohwell:



theres only 1 or 2 explicit scenes.

you saw les mis on the stage? i just saw it recently and cried my ****ing eyes out.... dont say you didnt.

[catzhernandez]

ukplaya4 you're a complete and utter *****.

I just wanted to let you know. It's ashame your guidance counselors and parents didn't emasculate you from birth. You'd be well off as a housewife or a sadomasochistic sex slave to Daniel Radcliffe.

[DonDadda59]

DonDadda59, how'd you get around to knowing J$'s name?

I'm a detective.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

I'm a detective.
*reported*

[ukplayer4]

ukplaya4 you're a complete and utter *****.

I just wanted to let you know. It's ashame your guidance counselors and parents didn't emasculate you from birth. You'd be well off as a housewife or a sadomasochistic sex slave to Daniel Radcliffe.



art makes me emotional, its not the same thing as being a *****.

[DonDadda59]

*reported*

For?

And is snitching a tolerable practice in the OTC? That's some weak sauce my Bengali friend.

[catzhernandez]

*reported*

Seriously J$, you have got to be the biggest ***** in all the ISH forums. You can never fend someone off by yourself, you always have to rely on Jay or Dasher to help you out of tight situations. We all saw Pete's Montreux rape you up your butthole when you were alone, you weak turd. You ain't shit by yourself :oldlol:

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Seriously J$, you have got to be the biggest ***** in all the ISH forums. You can never fend someone off by yourself, you always have to rely on Jay or Dasher to help you out of tight situations. We all saw Pete's Montreux rape you up your butthole when you were alone, you weak turd. You ain't shit by yourself :oldlol:
I'm hardcore.

Chill little brosh just chill, if I wasn't working so hard to finish this paper, for real though, I'd flame that azz.

[ukplayer4]

Seriously J$, you have got to be the biggest ***** in all the ISH forums. You can never fend someone off by yourself, you always have to rely on Jay or Dasher to help you out of tight situations. We all saw Pete's Montreux rape you up your butthole when you were alone, you weak turd. You ain't shit by yourself :oldlol:




look at that ****ing rep bar.....seriously how long did you spend rimming ass in the rep me ill rep you threads to get that?

[catzhernandez]

look at that ****ing rep bar.....seriously how long did you spend rimming ass in the rep me ill rep you threads to get that?

I'm just naturally popular. I'm the perfect combination of eloquence, wit, charisma, charm, comedy, good looks, and manliness. It's a shame you were born to look up to weak people like Winston Churchill and Tony Blair. If only you were as smart or as cool as me, then you would have more rep bars loserboy.

[Inspector Rick]

What is wrong with some of you guys? Yeah, let's knock Statham and Stallone for not breaking the action barrier. Does anyone criticize Shaq for not having three point range? NO! He's not in the NBA for his soft touch. Just like how Statham and Stallone arent in Hollywood for their gentle tear jerking Sean Penn dramatic roles.

Although Sly in Milk would have been incredibly entertaining, his duty on the big screen is to pack a punch and slay hundreds of Burmese people.

[ukplayer4]

I'm just naturally popular. I'm the perfect combination of eloquence, wit, charisma, charm, comedy, good looks, and manliness. It's a shame you were born to look up to weak people like Winston Churchill and Tony Blair. If only you were as smart or as cool as me, then you would have more rep bars loserboy.



it is mighty impressive, you must have swallowed like a gallon of e-seamen every day since youve been here. still id rather have less rep and an un prolapsed rectum.

[catzhernandez]

it is mighty impressive, you must have swallowed like a gallon of e-seamen every day since youve been here. still id rather have less rep and an un prolapsed rectum.

Will H. Macy, Billy Bob Thornton, Keanu Reeves, Zac Efron, Casey Affleck >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jared Leto, Hugh Laurie, Gerard Butler, Sean Connery, Ewan McGregor etc.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

it is mighty impressive, you must have swallowed like a gallon of e-seamen every day since youve been here. still id rather have less rep and an un prolapsed rectum.
Don't lie.

Even I, Lord JEFFERSON MONEY, am somewhat jealous of his e-infamy, as well as the mighty rep bars.

[ukplayer4]

Will H. Macy, Billy Bob Thornton, Keanu Reeves, Zac Efron, Casey Affleck >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jared Leto, Hugh Laurie, Gerard Butler, Sean Connery, Ewan McGregor etc.




jared leto is american you gimp.

what sort of a list is that anyway?

[spree43]

I'm pretty sure Ewan McGreggor is Australian

[Maniak]

ukplayer4, before I can take anything you post seriously, change the damn avvy. Thats more overplayed and overblown than Illmatic.

[ukplayer4]

I'm pretty sure Ewan McGreggor is Australian


close, scottish.

[catzhernandez]

close, scottish.

http://supersecretsociety.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/nerd.jpg

The jerk store of sesame street called. They said they are missing Big Nerd and Randy the Grouch.

[ukplayer4]

ukplayer4, before I can take anything you post seriously, change the damn avvy. Thats more overplayed and overblown than Illmatic.



i dont really bother with whats a relevant avvy and what isnt. what he did was pathetic,when he honours his bet then ill change it. besides, spud irritates me with his ray allen hatred and excessive paul pierce love.

illmatic isnt played out, its a classic.

[spree43]

Can someoone tell me what type of role will smith would need to play to be considered versitile? It's a serious question I want to know

Six Degrees
Made in America
Bad Boys
Independance Day
MIB
Wild Wild West
Enemy of the State
I Robot
I am Legend
Ali
Bagger Vance
Hitch
Hancock
Seven Pounds
The Pursuit of Happiness

Upcoming - Monster Hunter - Kids Movie

Does he have to play gay or Retarded to get recognition? The two most overated roles ever

[ukplayer4]

im too tired of talking about will smith to respond properly but for me its not really a question of versatility.

[DonDadda59]

Can someoone tell me what type of role will smith would need to play to be considered versitile? It's a serious question I want to know

Six Degrees
Made in America
Bad Boys
Independance Day
MIB
Wild Wild West
Enemy of the State
I Robot
I am Legend
Ali
Bagger Vance
Hitch
Hancock
Seven Pounds
The Pursuit of Happiness

Upcoming - Monster Hunter - Kids Movie

Does he have to play gay or Retarded to get recognition? The two most overated roles ever

Like I said before, he wasn't very good in 6 degrees but it was his first major role so he gets a pass. But in Bad Boys, Independence Day, MIB, Wild Wild West (one of the worst movies ever), Enemy of the State, Hitch, I Robot he played the same exact character- himself. Hancock was downright terrible and Will wasn't at all believable as an alcoholic anti-hero. Ali was decent, and the others were his attempt at real drama that were passable. So in most films he's just Will Smith with his character having a different name. Versatility, to me, means having the range to convincingly play different characters no matter how different, bizarre, etc they are. Gary Oldman is versatile, Daniel Day Lewis is versatile, Johnny Depp (very underrated) is versatile. Will Smith just plays different versions of Will Smith, but that's not a slight on him because the same can be said about Humphrey Bogart, Jack Nicholson, Tom Cruise... basically all the movie stars, different from character actors.

[MarloStanfield]

there are plenty of excellent English actors.

Daniel Day Lewis, Ray Winstone, Ben Kingsley, Anthony Hopkins, Oliver Reed, the list goes on and on.

let's not get into that america>england sh*t.

[DonDadda59]

there are plenty of excellent English actors.

Daniel Day Lewis, Ray Winstone, Ben Kinsley, Oliver Reed, the list goes on and on.

let's not get into that america>england.

Yeah, plus I'm not too sure that America would even come out on top. Australia has produced some great actors in the past 30 years or so.

[ukplayer4]

there are plenty of excellent English actors.

Daniel Day Lewis, Ray Winstone, Ben Kinsley, Anthony Hopkins, Oliver Reed, the list goes on and on.

let's not get into that america>england.


alec guiness, ralph feinnes, michael caine, ian mckellen, anthony hopkins, alan rickman, gary oldman etc etc etc.


america has a greater output of films and therefore better expossure for actors but england has the greatest tradition of acting of any country, mainly cause of the theatre but we have a vast number of great film actors also.

[MarloStanfield]

alec guiness, ralph feinnes, michael caine, ian mckellen, anthony hopkins, alan rickman, gary oldman etc etc etc.


america has a greater output of films and therefore better expossure for actors but england has the greatest tradition of acting of any country, mainly cause of the theatre but we have a vast number of great film actors also.
per capita england produces as many fine actors as anywhere.

[DonDadda59]

And Russia is the birthplace of the modern schools of acting- method, meisner technique, etc all owe their principles to Stanislavski.

[Jackass18]

endlessly rewatching wild wild west

Come on now, nobody has ever rewatched Wild Wild West.

[spree43]

Like I said before, he wasn't very good in 6 degrees but it was his first major role so he gets a pass. But in Bad Boys, Independence Day, MIB, Wild Wild West (one of the worst movies ever), Enemy of the State, Hitch, I Robot he played the same exact character- himself. Hancock was downright terrible and Will wasn't at all believable as an alcoholic anti-hero. Ali was decent, and the others were his attempt at real drama that were passable. So in most films he's just Will Smith with his character having a different name. Versatility, to me, means having the range to convincingly play different characters no matter how different, bizarre, etc they are. Gary Oldman is versatile, Daniel Day Lewis is versatile, Johnny Depp (very underrated) is versatile. Will Smith just plays different versions of Will Smith, but that's not a slight on him because the same can be said about Humphrey Bogart, Jack Nicholson, Tom Cruise... basically all the movie stars, different from character actors.

I do realise that a heap of his early roles he was hired to be the Fresh Prince, but in my mind 1 great acting performance makes you a credible actor, 2 makes you a good actor, 3 makes you great

And I rate Ali, 7 pounds, pursuit of happiness and i am legend as great performances
When watching those I wasn't thinking, thats will smith, I believed he was the character, which is hard for an actor of Will Smiths fame to achieve, a lot harder than it is for Daniel Day Lewis

[DonDadda59]

I do realise that a heap of his early roles he was hired to be the Fresh Prince, but in my mind 1 great acting performance makes you a credible actor, 2 makes you a good actor, 3 makes you great

And I rate Ali, 7 pounds, pursuit of happiness and i am legend as great performances
When watching those I wasn't thinking, thats will smith, I believed he was the character, which is hard for an actor of Will Smiths fame to achieve, a lot harder than it is for Daniel Day Lewis

I've seen all of those movies except a part of 7 pounds and I personally didn't find them 'great'. All decent, not bad by any stretch, but nothing special. And there's a ton of actors who have comparable fame who are more capable and accomplished actors. Denzel Washington (before he got lazy), Johnny Depp, Brad Pitt... very commerical actors who convincingly disappear into the characters they are portraying. It's not a question of name/face recognition, it's a question of talent.