lil wayne ACTUALLY knows how to play the guitar !!!!!

[DatDudeD]

I thought him saying he plays was some bull**** til i saw this video , now i am not saying he is a pro but i can see he really has been taking lessons or something, he is a lot better than i would have thought.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfC_1mkUj3w

[Brujesino]

damn he actually learned some guitar :lol :lol :lol

[UD]

This is a joke right? Please let this be a joke.

Playing a barre chord...not even a barre chord, just barring the bottom three strings and playing them through a distorted amp = knowing how to play the guitar?

You should pay to watch me play, I'm like the next reincarnation of Jimi Hendrix.

[Brujesino]

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[DatDudeD]

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[RedBlackAttack]

I respect the fact that he is trying to learn... I really, honestly do. But, he is still laughably bad, judging by that video. No... It isn't quite as comical as the infamous one where he is off-rhythm and out-of-tune, playing the same two notes over and over. At least he seems to have gotten the whole 'keeping your guitar in tune' thing down... And he displays a small amount of rhythm in his right hand with this video.

But, from a technical stand-point... terrible. Honestly... I could teach anyone on this message board to play better than that in a few days.

That said, I hope he keeps practicing. I think it is good for the inner-city youth to see a guy that they look up to playing a real instrument.

[DatDudeD]

I respect the fact that he is trying to learn... I really, honestly do. But, he is still laughably bad, judging by that video. No... It isn't quite as comical as the infamous one where he is off-rhythm and out-of-tune, playing the same two notes over and over. At least he seems to have gotten the whole 'keeping your guitar in tune' thing down... And he displays a small amount of rhythm in his right hand with this video.

But, from a technical stand-point... terrible. Honestly... I could teach anyone on this message board to play better than that in a few days.

That said, I hope he keeps practicing. I think it is good for the inner-city youth to see a guy that they look up to playing a real instrument.

a lot of inner city youth play instruments anyway to get back on topic that is really what i am trying to say that its cool that he is actually trying to get better rather than just saying he plays and never even picking up a guitar.

[pollackjack]

I think he's faking it there. I mean there are many, many, many, many, MANY videos of evidence and testimonies of people who have heard him play badly. This is a fuzzy video of him sort of playing decent... I think it was leaked by lil wayne's management or somebody so that people who think he is a horrible guitar player won't keep going around saying that he is a horrible guitar player... because he IS a horrible guitar player. I just doubt the validity of this video. I am more convinced the pictures of sasquatch are legit than that this deranged little rapping muppet can actually play guitar.

[RedBlackAttack]

I think he's faking it there. I mean there are many, many, many, many, MANY videos of evidence and testimonies of people who have heard him play badly. This is a fuzzy video of him sort of playing decent... I think it was leaked by lil wayne's management or somebody so that people who think he is a horrible guitar player won't keep going around saying that he is a horrible guitar player... because he IS a horrible guitar player. I just doubt the validity of this video. I am more convinced the pictures of sasquatch are legit than that this deranged little rapping muppet can actually play guitar.
Whoever the guy is in the video, he is playing the guitar that you hear. It is quite obvious. If he were going to fake playing, it would have sounded a hell of a lot better than that. If you cut out the effects, it would sound absolutely putrid.

[pollackjack]

No way, if they went Joe Satriani in the video then everyone would KNOW it's a farce. There are a few ear raping moments of the song which is already terrible to begin with, but to make a convincing fake, you have to set the standards at an appropriate level. You can watch that video and go, "Hey, Lil Wayne is progressing, it's not perfect, but I give him credit for at least trying." but that would be the exact reaction they want you to believe. Otherwise, why wouldn't he try this in front of people? Why is he alone with a camera on in his room playing to what is clearly a backing track?

In an age where movies like Cloverfield can look authentic enough to allow an adult audience to stretch their boundaries of disbelief to imagine a giant monster crushing New York City, it can't be that hard to doctor a video of the untalented Lil Wayne playing a guitar that doesn't sound like its being handled by a cough syrup injected, overactive orangutan.

[YAWN]

wow that was atrocious :oldlol:

[RedBlackAttack]

No way, if they went Joe Satriani in the video then everyone would KNOW it's a farce. There are a few ear raping moments of the song which is already terrible to begin with, but to make a convincing fake, you have to set the standards at an appropriate level. You can watch that video and go, "Hey, Lil Wayne is progressing, it's not perfect, but I give him credit for at least trying." but that would be the exact reaction they want you to believe. Otherwise, why wouldn't he try this in front of people? Why is he alone with a camera on in his room playing to what is clearly a backing track?

In an age where movies like Cloverfield can look authentic enough to allow an adult audience to stretch their boundaries of disbelief to imagine a giant monster crushing New York City, it can't be that hard to doctor a video of the untalented Lil Wayne playing a guitar that doesn't sound like its being handled by a cough syrup injected, overactive orangutan.
You make a good case as to why they would fake a bad guitar performance, but the fact remains that I have been playing the instrument for 10+ years and I can tell that the person in the video is playing the guitar that is heard. It would be almost impossible for a novice to be so precise with his right and left hands... Even with the mistakes that are heard.

[DatDudeD]

damn didnt think everyone on here was a certified music teacher, with that being said i dont know if its a publicity stunt or whatever, but my original point is that he ACTUALLY/SORTA/KINDA/MAYBE plays guitar which in itself is shocking. i thought he was full of crap when he said he was learning.

[MarloStanfield]

I respect the fact that he is trying to learn... I really, honestly do. But, he is still laughably bad, judging by that video. No... It isn't quite as comical as the infamous one where he is off-rhythm and out-of-tune, playing the same two notes over and over. At least he seems to have gotten the whole 'keeping your guitar in tune' thing down... And he displays a small amount of rhythm in his right hand with this video.

But, from a technical stand-point... terrible. Honestly... I could teach anyone on this message board to play better than that in a few hours.

That said, I hope he keeps practicing. I think it is good for the inner-city youth to see a guy that they look up to playing a real instrument.
fyp

[pollackjack]

You make a good case as to why they would fake a bad guitar performance, but the fact remains that I have been playing the instrument for 10+ years and I can tell that the person in the video is playing the guitar that is heard. It would be almost impossible for a novice to be so precise with his right and left hands... Even with the mistakes that are heard.

But you have to imagine they kept that in mind. They didn't have Lil' Wayne mime to a track, that's silly, it'd be so easy for him to mess up as he played along and have people like you notice that he did. My guess is they recorded it like a cartoon with someone playing a guitar to the video so that it syncs up somewhat. Distress the video quality a little bit and nobody is the wiser. Well... I mean, I am... but whatever.


damn didnt think everyone on here was a certified music teacher, with that being said i dont know if its a publicity stunt or whatever, but my original point is that he ACTUALLY/SORTA/KINDA/MAYBE plays guitar which in itself is shocking. i thought he was full of crap when he said he was learning

I'm not a certified music teacher, I'm just a skeptic that won't be fooled by this ruse. I fell for this once with a duo of dreadlock wearing phonies and I vowed I would never be led astray again.

[L.Kizzle]

I'm not a guitar god or anything, but you can learn to play that in less than two minutes.

[boozehound]

yeah, hes still terrible. His rhythm with his right hand is ok, but his technique is terrible and his left hand looks like an 8 yr old picking up his daddy's guitar. Obviously the OP isnt a musician of any sort. That is falking terrible. I could play the guitar better than that after one informal lesson when I was 11. and Im no JDG wheedliedeedliedee prodigy by any stretch. Very bad and weak guitar work. Just shows that musicianship has no place in the modern world of corporately promoted entertainment.

[L.Kizzle]

yeah, hes still terrible. His rhythm with his right hand is ok, but his technique is terrible and his left hand looks like an 8 yr old picking up his daddy's guitar. Obviously the OP isnt a musician of any sort. That is falking terrible. I could play the guitar better than that after one informal lesson when I was 11. and Im no JDG wheedliedeedliedee prodigy by any stretch. Very bad and weak guitar work. Just shows that musicianship has no place in the modern world of corporately promoted entertainment.
I feel ya, back in the day, damn near every musician could play instruments. Even that cats who never played on stage, ect played instruments. Michael Jackson, for example, is a multi-instrumentalist, but know one would no cause he never plays on stage. Hell, the Osmonds used to throw down, LOL.

[Hawker]

That's what I was doing when I first started playing. Playing a note 8 times and then switching to another note and then to another and back again.

He doesnt know how to play.

[ikoiko]

I feel ya, back in the day, damn near every musician could play instruments. Even that cats who never played on stage, ect played instruments. Michael Jackson, for example, is a multi-instrumentalist, but know one would no cause he never plays on stage. Hell, the Osmonds used to throw down, LOL.

here we go again with that back in the day crap. as if the artists themselves being able to play "for real" makes the music on their records sound better. you people have this weird fixation with "realness" and "authenticity", which is really a very faulty lense through which to view art in general, and popular music in particular.

[johndeeregreen]

and Im no JDG wheedliedeedliedee prodigy by any stretch.
The problem with messageboards is that you can't tell who is being a dick and who isn't, and you're a guy I don't generally have any disagreements, but I can't tell if you're taking a shot at me here. If you are, I've never claimed to be terrific at guitar nor bragged about how I play, and certainly not a prodigy.

And yes, he's still abhorrent. You can tell a lot about how good someone is at guitar just by the way they pick up and hold it, before they even play. You can pretty much immediately tell by the familiarity and comfort level of the player, and Wayne fails those tasks miserably.

At least he's trying, though.

[boozehound]

The problem with messageboards is that you can't tell who is being a dick and who isn't, and you're a guy I don't generally have any disagreements, but I can't tell if you're taking a shot at me here. If you are, I've never claimed to be terrific at guitar nor bragged about how I play, and certainly not a prodigy.

And yes, he's still abhorrent. You can tell a lot about how good someone is at guitar just by the way they pick up and hold it, before they even play. You can pretty much immediately tell by the familiarity and comfort level of the player, and Wayne fails those tasks miserably.

At least he's trying, though.
not trying to be a dick. having some fun maybe. I think you are a very solid player. I thought the drunk solo at the end of the bad co song you posted was quite tight, esp for being drunk. I used you as an example, simply because you are the only one I can think of that put some of their work up here. you goddamn wheedliedee'er

[UD]

here we go again with that back in the day crap. as if the artists themselves being able to play "for real" makes the music on their records sound better. you people have this weird fixation with "realness" and "authenticity", which is really a very faulty lense through which to view art in general, and popular music in particular.


Yeah, seriously. Who the hell cares about authenticity in art?

Who wants to go all the way to the Louvre to see the original Mona Lisa when I can just see forgeries nearby and for less? Or why even bother do that, I can just see them online for free!

Realness and art just don't mix.

[boozehound]

here we go again with that back in the day crap. as if the artists themselves being able to play "for real" makes the music on their records sound better. you people have this weird fixation with "realness" and "authenticity", which is really a very faulty lense through which to view art in general, and popular music in particular.
how can you defend a system where the "artist" doesnt write the song, perform any of the music, and cant sing on pitch without auto-tune? Now, I agree there is an art to making music electronically, but thats not what we are talking about here. Having a strong grasp in the universal language of music is the foundation of being a good musical performer IMO. It doesnt matter that the Jackson 5 used studio musicians on most all of their tracks, it matters that they have an understanding of music. which lilwayne, souljaboy, britney, etc clearly do not.

[ikoiko]

how can you defend a system where the "artist" doesnt write the song, perform any of the music, and cant sing on pitch without auto-tune? Now, I agree there is an art to making music electronically, but thats not what we are talking about here. Having a strong grasp in the universal language of music is the foundation of being a good musical performer IMO. It doesnt matter that the Jackson 5 used studio musicians on most all of their tracks, it matters that they have an understanding of music. which lilwayne, souljaboy, britney, etc clearly do not.

i disagree completely. why care if it's the producer or the studio musicians or the singer who makes the song what it is, as long as the music's groovin?

to me, saying that "i love britney's music" is the same as saying "i think britney has great producers". what you're actually praising is the music, not britney the person. so what matters is whether the songs sounds good. not who does what on the record, or some etheric idea of "understanding of music".

[spree43]

i disagree completely. why care if it's the producer or the studio musicians or the singer who makes the song what it is, as long as the music's groovin?

to me, saying that "i love britney's music" is the same as saying "i think britney has great producers". what you're actually praising is the music, not britney the person. so what matters is whether the songs sounds good. not who does what on the record, or some etheric idea of "understanding of music".

I can like music if it is just mass produced, but I can't respect the artist, or say "britney spears is the best etc." Because she is just a puppet, she's like kermit the frog it takes no skill to be her, the one pulling the strings is doing all the work

I especially prefer my live music to be real, not choregraphed. Going to see 90% of popular artists today is just a lights show, go and see a real band or even rapper and they improvise and change **** up

[boozehound]

music is interesting because its an organic, creative process. and IMO thats who should get the credit.

When music becomes to formulaic or dependent on mechanization, it loses its appeal. see disco and its downfall. If understanding of music (which is hardly etheral, but is similar to understanding of spanish or english for a writer in those languages) is absent, then you might as well listen to an algorithm. but an algorithm quickly loses interest if its not being manipulated.

[ikoiko]

music is interesting because its an organic, creative process. and IMO thats who should get the credit.

When music becomes to formulaic or dependent on mechanization, it loses its appeal. see disco and its downfall. If understanding of music (which is hardly etheral, but is similar to understanding of spanish or english for a writer in those languages) is absent, then you might as well listen to an algorithm. but an algorithm quickly loses interest if its not being manipulated.

well, formulaic music has topped the charts ever since there were charts. you must have meant that such music loses its appeal to you.

i might have expressed myself poorly on the understanding of music point. what i was trying to say is: how can you as a listener decide from a jackson five record whether they have understanding of music or not? you can't. and that's why it seems pointless to me to include in the equation.

and music does not have to be an organic process to be interesting, though for musicians i know its a wonderful process to be a part of. no, it can just as well be a finished, neatly packaged product where every sound fits the others just perfectly. such things can truly be marvels of human achievement.

[ikoiko]

I can like music if it is just mass produced, but I can't respect the artist, or say "britney spears is the best etc." Because she is just a puppet, she's like kermit the frog it takes no skill to be her, the one pulling the strings is doing all the work

I especially prefer my live music to be real, not choregraphed. Going to see 90% of popular artists today is just a lights show, go and see a real band or even rapper and they improvise and change **** up

yeah well, why not respect the one pulling all the strings, even if it's not their name on the record? somebody had to have made it sound great, right?

i now must go to bed, since it's midnight where i reside and i have to get up early in the morning. please guys, keep up the interesting discussion and i'll get back to this thread tomorrow.

[johndeeregreen]

not trying to be a dick. having some fun maybe. I think you are a very solid player. I thought the drunk solo at the end of the bad co song you posted was quite tight, esp for being drunk. I used you as an example, simply because you are the only one I can think of that put some of their work up here. you goddamn wheedliedee'er
Heh, all right, thanks then.:cheers:

[dnyk1337]

Watch out Jimi Hendrix.

[craigthomasb]

he would have gotten some respect if he had done the rythem to girls on film or at least seven nation army intro, but this is just rubbish

[boozehound]

and music does not have to be an organic process to be interesting, though for musicians i know its a wonderful process to be a part of. no, it can just as well be a finished, neatly packaged product where every sound fits the others just perfectly. such things can truly be marvels of human achievement.
you seem to be equating organic with jamming, or a loose feel. WHat you are describing is part of the organic process as well. Music is a language and the subtle manipulations of the grammar and vocabulary of that language is what makes it so expressive. What phil spector or brian wilson did is an organic process. Like an excellent writer, a good songwriter is taking the ordinary everyday speaking of people and making it something more universal. If all music were composed by the same algorithmic program with no creative control, it would lose its appeal immediately. much like a program constructing sentences into a novel would not create a great expressive novel that touches on the essence of human being. human doing. human going.

[ikoiko]

you seem to be equating organic with jamming, or a loose feel. WHat you are describing is part of the organic process as well. Music is a language and the subtle manipulations of the grammar and vocabulary of that language is what makes it so expressive. What phil spector or brian wilson did is an organic process. Like an excellent writer, a good songwriter is taking the ordinary everyday speaking of people and making it something more universal. If all music were composed by the same algorithmic program with no creative control, it would lose its appeal immediately. much like a program constructing sentences into a novel would not create a great expressive novel that touches on the essence of human being. human doing. human going.

well ok, i understand what you mean and agree with this. but then what are you arguing? since, for example, phil spector obviously had his formulaic approach to making music just like any commercial music producer of today does, how can you rag on the popular "consumer product" music of today and not the same consumer product of yesteryear?