NBA gives Kobe Bryant a flagrant foul for his elbow against Ron Artest

[insidehoops]

http://www.insidehoops.com/blog/?p=4298

Jackson also announced that the Lakers’ Kobe Bryant has been assessed a Flagrant Foul Penalty One for elbowing Houston’s Ron Artest in the chest area with 6:57 remaining in the fourth period of last night’s game.

[OneMoreSucka]

Good.

[NewYorkUSCtrojan]

Interesting..

And Fisher's suspended 1 game..

[bigkingsfan]

That's fair, dirty elbow from the fans perspective. Glad the NBA saw the same.

[NewYorkUSCtrojan]

That's fair, dirty elbow from the fans perspective. Glad the NBA saw the same.


I agree.

[wang4three]

They should rescind one of Ron's tech's too.

[SCY]

I'm assuming the Rockets don't get the FT's at the beginning of Game 3 or anything, making it pretty meaningless from their point of view. Is there a certain # of flagrant 1's that can add up to a suspension?

[GMAC]

I agree with the punishment, b/c clearly the league would never suspend Kobe in the playoffs. At least Kobe's cheap shots have been brought to the league's attention and if he tries that weak sh*t again, the league will be force to lay the law down...even if its upon its golden boy.

[BigTicket]

Would have been a good call at the time, does it make any difference when called after the game though ?

[OneMoreSucka]

They should rescind one of Ron's tech's too.
True.

[SoCalMike]

They should rescind one of Ron's tech's too.

that part, i disagree with... he was definitely out of control and who knew what the hell he was going to do at that given moment... only after the fact are you able to second guess the call.. he could have gone into the stands for all we know. that is the reputation he has earned himself and you have to factor that in as a ref.



:pimp:

[OneMoreSucka]

that part, i disagree with... he was definitely out of control and who knew what the hell he was going to do at that given moment... only after the fact are you able to second guess the call.. he could have gone into the stands for all we know. that is the reputation he has earned himself and you have to factor that in as a ref.



:pimp:
Please. His second tech was when he threw his elbow out showing what Kobe did to him. Definitely not tech worthy.

[NewYorkUSCtrojan]

I agree with the punishment, b/c clearly the league would never suspend Kobe in the playoffs. At least Kobe's cheap shots have been brought to the league's attention and if he tries that weak sh*t again, the league will be force to lay the law down...even if its upon its golden boy.


Moron...Is Rondo a NBA Golden Boy too? Rondo throwing white boy into stands doesn't deserve suspension...? Fisher got suspended while Rondo got nothing..

[D-Rose]

Please. His second tech was when he threw his elbow out showing what Kobe did to him. Definitely not tech worthy.
Joe Crawford gave him an oppurtunity to shut up and move away after the first tech, but he kept on jawing and at the time the gesture looked like a throat slit not showing the elbow.

[SoCalMike]

Please. His second tech was when he threw his elbow out showing what Kobe did to him. Definitely not tech worthy.

actually as i was watching it, i did not know what he would do... you are able to make this assessment AFTER the fact.... when it was actually happening, who knew what he would do. so sorry, i don't agree. artest way over reacted and looked to me like he was going to fight.


:pimp:

[OneMoreSucka]

Joe Crawford gave him an oppurtunity to shut up and move away after the first tech, but he kept on jawing and at the time the gesture looked like a throat slit not showing the elbow.
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Jordandunk23]

ok so what exactly is the point of Kobe getting a flagrant foul AFTER the game is finished?

i forgot the rule, something happens with certain amounts of flagrants or technicals???

[sportsfan76]

that part, i disagree with... he was definitely out of control and who knew what the hell he was going to do at that given moment... only after the fact are you able to second guess the call.. he could have gone into the stands for all we know. that is the reputation he has earned himself and you have to factor that in as a ref.




:pimp:


This has to be the dumbest statement I seen on this board. Go in the stands for what???????? Kobe was on the court. what the hell are you talking about?

[ProfessorMurder]

Just imagine if that happened like 5 years ago, Artest would've sh*t stomped Kobe.

[SoCalMike]

This has to be the dumbest statement I seen on this board. Go in the stands for what???????? Kobe was on the court. what the hell are you talking about?

you are obviously clueless and unable to read beyond the written words... the point of the statement was to point out that artest is volatile and unpredictable and that folks making their assessments after the fact is just plain silly.

hopefully you get it now???


:pimp:

[OneMoreSucka]

ok so what exactly is the point of Kobe getting a flagrant foul AFTER the game is finished?

i forgot the rule, something happens with certain amounts of flagrants or technicals???
A fine :confusedshrug:

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Just imagine if that happened like 5 years ago, Artest would've sh*t stomped Kobe.

dude if it were 5 years ago, the lakers would have an enforcer like charles oakley or something to protect kobe. stop imagining like a 5 year old weirdo.

[Valliant13]

That's fair.
Though they should also rescind at least one of the technical on Artest as well: his reaction didn't warrant two.

[ProfessorMurder]

dude if it were 5 years ago, the lakers would have an enforcer like charles oakley or something to protect kobe. stop imagining like a 5 year old weirdo.

Hey... Genius. I used 5 years ago as a point in history. When Artest still would fight on the court.

It's not literally me matching up two rosters from 03-04 for a fight. Plus Oakley was not on the Lakers in 03-04 anyway.

I'm simply saying if it was 5 years ago, Kobe would've been punched in the grill.

[oh the horror]

I think not. Im sorry folks, but Ron Artest has earned himself that spot in history with his outrageous behavior on the court, and "off the court".


When someone issues you a tech, you sit down, and shut up. You dont pass up the ref, and go into a player's face and talk whatever he was talking.


He lost his temper, went over the refs authority, and he was tossed from the game.



Now, lets be clear here. I dont agree with him being tossed, but given the pace of the game, what was happening, and him losing his cool, and him running around, i believe his past caught up with him, and they threw him out. Simple as that.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

That's fair.
Though they should also rescind at least one of the technical on Artest as well: his reaction didn't warrant two.

lol..i mean he only tried inciting a riot on the court and made a throat slashing gesture toward kobe. and dont give me no sht about he was pointing to his throat.

[oh the horror]

Just imagine if that happened like 5 years ago, Artest would've sh*t stomped Kobe.



Uh huh, and be suspended for the entire playoffs. Wonderfully smart move that would have been. This aint THUG LIFE bro. Stuff like that gets you removed for a long time from this game.

[Juges8932]

Dumb.

[oh the horror]

And I think everyone knows what the hell a "throat slashing gesture" looks like.


He DID a throat slashing gesture. Lets not get it twisted. Dude lost his temper. Period.

[gts]

artest chased kobe down and got in his face, tech one... while arguing with crawford, (who everyone in the league knows has a fairly quick whistle) crawford gave him every chance to walk away but he didn't and that was tech 2...

just because artest had a valid argument does not mean his actions were valid

when you're digging yourself in a hole the best way to get out is to stop digging

[wang4three]

that part, i disagree with... he was definitely out of control and who knew what the hell he was going to do at that given moment... only after the fact are you able to second guess the call.. he could have gone into the stands for all we know. that is the reputation he has earned himself and you have to factor that in as a ref.



:pimp:

Players are allowed to have a reaction if they have a legit reason. He had a legit reason to be upset obviously for a missed flagrant. I'm saying only 1, him pressing the issue technical should remain in tact.

[ProfessorMurder]

Uh huh, and be suspended for the entire playoffs. Wonderfully smart move that would have been. This aint THUG LIFE bro. Stuff like that gets you removed for a long time from this game.

Um... Did you forget when he went and beat the sh*t out of fans? If he'd do that to a fan, he'd do that to Kobe.

Plus he did get suspended for a long time... It wasn't smart, but that's how he played back then. (Hence why I said 5 years ago).

[GMAC]

And I think everyone knows what the hell a "throat slashing gesture" looks like.


He DID a throat slashing gesture. Lets not get it twisted. Dude lost his temper. Period.

WRONG. He was doing that gesture the moment Kobe elbowed him in the throat. Watch an entire video of the incident and you would know.

He gets called for the foul, then immediately swings his elbow mimicking Kobe's elbow. He keeps doing the same thing even after they separate him and Kobe. Then he gets tossed.

[oh the horror]

WRONG. He was doing that gesture the moment Kobe elbowed him in the throat. Watch an entire video of the incident and you would know.






He did it the moment Kobe elbowed him in the throat? The very moment?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plZ0B854hrE


Thats not what im seeing at about 36 seconds in.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Hey... Genius. I used 5 years ago as a point in history. When Artest still would fight on the court.

It's not literally me matching up two rosters from 03-04 for a fight. Plus Oakley was not on the Lakers in 03-04 anyway.

I'm simply saying if it was 5 years ago, Kobe would've been punched in the grill.

the lakers would have a thug on the team to protect kobe bryant is what i meant. is that the first thing u thought about when the play went down? imagining 2 grown assss men as if it were 5 years ago. i mean come on now, what is with the silly irrelevant imagination you have? u some kind of s!ck fck or something? this site dont need perverts like you running around.

[justin43]

The flagrant foul with no suspension was the best call to make in this situation from the league's(not David Stern's :lol) point of view. As for Artest, he deserved both his technical calls. If he would have calm himself down and not give that gesture, he wouldn't have been ejected with the second technical.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

WRONG. He was doing that gesture the moment Kobe elbowed him in the throat. Watch an entire video of the incident and you would know.

He gets called for the foul, then immediately swings his elbow mimicking Kobe's elbow. He keeps doing the same thing even after they separate him and Kobe. Then he gets tossed.

at first artest was pointing to his throat like a normal human being. then the demons in artests head told him to threaten kobe bryants life. that is what i saw. ron artest still has the devil inside of him. i am telling you, this guy is half way retarded. just when i thought he was better, his condition has worsened. sad.

[oh the horror]

Well, simple as this: regardless of how upset you are, you do not run up on a player, and get in their face with refs around like that. Imagine if Kobe (doubtful) would have reacted, or his team reacted and jumped in? Situations like that cause a potential fight.


When someone gets in your face, what do you usually want to do? Or if someone gets in your buddy's face?

[chopchop20]

You can just delay the game by running across court, getting into a player's face, use a "cut-throat" gesture and not expect to be ejected. Especially Ron Artest!

[ProfessorMurder]

the lakers would have a thug on the team to protect kobe bryant is what i meant. is that the first thing u thought about when the play went down? imagining 2 grown assss men as if it were 5 years ago. i mean come on now, what is with the silly irrelevant imagination you have? u some kind of s!ck fck or something? this site dont need perverts like you running around.

Seriously dude? Are you really calling me a sick f*ck, and a pervert? It's not like I was watching the game jacking off the thought of Artest and Kobe fighting.

Every single person in the world that watched that game flashed back to Artest running into the stands. The refs did, they threw him out so he wouldn't escalate things further, the players got in between them, plus it's been brought up I don't know about a billion times on here today.

It was a hypothetical situation that I typed on a forum. I think you're the one with issues here.

[Laker4Lyfe]

WRONG. He was doing that gesture the moment Kobe elbowed him in the throat. Watch an entire video of the incident and you would know.

He gets called for the foul, then immediately swings his elbow mimicking Kobe's elbow. He keeps doing the same thing even after they separate him and Kobe. Then he gets tossed.

I REALLY wish people would stop saying this. Kobe DID NOT ELBOW HIM IN THE THROAT.

He elbowed him in the chest NOT the throat.

I understand that people are only repeating the lie started by Artest, but you can clearly see that not only did Kobe not elbow him in the throat. Artest deserved the ORIGINAL foul call because HIS (Artest) elbow was all over Kobes neck and head, as well using his knee on him as well.

[nbastatus]

Would have been a good call at the time, does it make any difference when called after the game though ?
good question.

[bigkingsfan]

Well, simple as this: regardless of how upset you are, you do not run up on a player, and get in their face with refs around like that. Imagine if Kobe (doubtful) would have reacted, or his team reacted and jumped in? Situations like that cause a potential fight.

And the Flagrant foul Kobe threw does not have the potential to start a fight?

And it wasn't a throat slashing gesture people. :violin:
http://i44.tinypic.com/23haexx.gif

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

im baffled artest didnt get a suspension. he basically threatened kobe's life. plain and simple.

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

This has to be the dumbest statement I seen on this board. Go in the stands for what???????? Kobe was on the court. what the hell are you talking about?

learn how to read english first and what the guy is saying.....he was implying...that he might have as well into the stands....GEEZ

[oh the horror]

And the Flagrant foul Kobe threw does not have the potential to start a fight?

And it wasn't a throat slashing gesture people. :violin:
http://i44.tinypic.com/23haexx.gif


Out of the two that happened, which has the most potential to start a fight?

and I dont know where youre from, but when someone points at me, and runs their hand past their neck like that, im not thinking about the fact that i caught them in the neck. Im thinking they want to fight, or cut my throat.


Now if he didnt mean to do that gesture on purpose is the case, and maybe he did not, but THAT is the universal gesture for a throat slash as much as the middle finer is a gesture for "f*ck you"

[Torious]

LMAO, this whole review thing is getting a bit stupid. Next thing, they'll play a game, review every play for a few hours and then announce the official winner the next day.

[#1SportsFan86]

im baffled artest didnt get a suspension. he basically threatened kobe's life. plain and simple.

:lol :lol :lol wow Laker fan just wow

[oh the horror]

im baffled artest didnt get a suspension. he basically threatened kobe's life. plain and simple.


I dont think Ron should have gotten a suspension. I think they handled the situation that game, and should have left it at that.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

I dont think Ron should have gotten a suspension. I think they handled the situation that game, and should have left it at that.

sorry, but you cant run around threatening peoples lives on the streets and you certainly cant do it on the basketball court. now if kobe is found dead before game 3 who are they gonna look at? artest better watch his assss. felon imo.

[ProfessorMurder]

Out of the two that happened, which has the most potential to start a fight?

and I dont know where youre from, but when someone points at me, and runs their hand past their neck like that, im not thinking about the fact that i caught them in the neck. Im thinking they want to fight, or cut my throat.


Now if he didnt mean to do that gesture on purpose is the case, and maybe he did not, but THAT is the universal gesture for a throat slash as much as the middle finer is a gesture for "f*ck you"

Huh... Two pages back you typed "this aint THUG LIFE bro", to me when I said Artest would've punched Kobe.

But if someone makes that gesture, you're automatically saying people are going to be murdered?

Those are conflicting posts man.

[bigkingsfan]

Out of the two that happened, which has the most potential to start a fight?

and I dont know where youre from, but when someone points at me, and runs their hand past their neck like that, im not thinking about the fact that i caught them in the neck. Im thinking they want to fight, or cut my throat.


Now if he didnt mean to do that gesture on purpose is the case, and maybe he did not, but THAT is the universal gesture for a throat slash as much as the middle finer is a gesture for "f*ck you"
Both are about the same honestly, someone gives you a dirty elbow or gets in your face.

Anyways it wasn't a throat slash gesture because Artest did not get fine for it. Stevenson got hit with 25k for doing it in the past.

[trig]

I'm a laker fan but I dont think Ron shouldve been thrown out in that game. Kobe elbowed Ron and was even called for a foul, Ron reacted, It should only be a tech.

Rondo pulled brad miller's face while attempting a layup and got an ordinary foul called. He pulls Kirks arms and throws him into the stands and only got a flagrant 1.

what's up with that

[oh the horror]

sorry, but you cant run around threatening peoples lives on the streets and you certainly cant do it on the basketball court. now if kobe is found dead before game 3 who are they gonna look at? artest better watch his assss. felon imo.


Well see, heres the thing, we're all not sure what was MEANT by the gesture. He could have very well been indicating that Kobe got him in the throat. But the problem is, we're talking about Ron Artest. This guy's history alone, has come back to bite him on the ass several times. So HIM making gestures like that, are way over the top.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Well see, heres the thing, we're all not sure what was MEANT by the gesture. He could have very well been indicating that Kobe got him in the throat. But the problem is, we're talking about Ron Artest. This guy's history alone, has come back to bite him on the ass several times. So HIM making gestures like that, are way over the top.

EXACTLY :rant

[#1SportsFan86]

sorry, but you cant run around threatening peoples lives on the streets and you certainly cant do it on the basketball court. now if kobe is found dead before game 3 who are they gonna look at? artest better watch his assss. felon imo.

you taking this too far man Artest and Kobe go way back and I don't think Artest would try to take Kobe's life, stop crying man.

[oh the horror]

Both are about the same honestly, someone gives you a dirty elbow or gets in your face.

Anyways it wasn't a throat slash gesture because Artest did not get fine for it. Stevenson got hit with 25k for doing it in the past.



The only difference for me personally is, one is during actual play, and the other was after refs were involved, play was stopped, people were boiling over already. So watching a player walk fast paced, past a ref, and get into another players face at that point, could be worse to me.


Both do have potential to cause a rawkus though.

[vert48]

I think they got it right:
1 - Fisher gets kicked out and a game suspension for an non basketball Flagrant 2 foul.

2 - Ron gets booted from the game, but not suspended. The refs told him to knock it off and not escalate things, and then he ran across the court and started up with Kobe again. If that was a throat slash, and I do not think it was, then Artest should have been suspended as well.

3 - Kobe's elbow was upgraded to a Flagrant 1.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

you taking this too far man Artest and Kobe go way back and I don't think Artest would try to take Kobe's life, stop crying man.

if i was in the law enforcement business i'd arrest artest rite fcking now. (how ironic this guys name resembles arrest to begin with, but we'll save that for later)

[lilo]

artest chased kobe down and got in his face, tech one... while arguing with crawford, (who everyone in the league knows has a fairly quick whistle) crawford gave him every chance to walk away but he didn't and that was tech 2...

just because artest had a valid argument does not mean his actions were valid

when you're digging yourself in a hole the best way to get out is to stop digging

That is not a full story though. The reason Artest had to react the way he did in a first place was because of the Crawford missing Kobe's flagrant 1 foul (i.e. elbow). In the retrospect, given that the ref did not know that he overlooked Kobe's violation, one can understand why he (crawford) did what he did. Also, most likely crawford did think that Artest was showing "slid the throat" sign but he was mistaken. NBA commision on the other hand had a better understanding of the situation and it should have concluded that there was absolutely nothing there that would warrant ejection of Artest. Otherwise one should conclude that every time when after getting one tech the player tries to explain how he was hit/wronged - he should be ejected.

[oh the horror]

I think they got it right:
1 - Fisher gets kicked out and a game suspension for an non basketball Flagrant 2 foul.

2 - Ron gets booted from the game, but not suspended. The refs told him to knock it off and not escalate things, and then he ran across the court and started up with Kobe again. If that was a throat slash, and I do not think it was, then Artest should have been suspended as well.

3 - Kobe's elbow was upgraded to a Flagrant 1.


I think they got it exactly right.

[ProfessorMurder]

if i was a law enforcement officer i'd arrest artest rite fcking now. (how ironic this guys name resembles arrest to begin with, but we'll save that for later) how you feel?

Dude, you just called me a sick f*ck and a pervert for saying Artest would've punched somebody if this was 5 years ago. But it's cool for you to say you're going to arrest him for not doing anything?

Talk about double standards.

[chopchop20]

You can't make that gesture. But nobody is going to die.

Artest and Kobe have known each other since they were teenagers -- they go back to AAU ball. They are not friends but the respect each other's game.
Kobe was onboard to get Artest to LA, however they wanted to involve Odom in the trade.

[#1SportsFan86]

if i was a law enforcement officer i'd arrest artest rite fcking now. (how ironic this guys name resembles arrest to begin with, but we'll save that for later) how you feel?


I'm not even about to debate with a Lakers fan just like I don't debate with a Nuggets fan cuz your only gonna see it your way, I could see if Artest left the court and then came back with a weapon to get Kobe then yea throw his ass in jail but he didn't do any of that, Kobe and Artest go way back like I said and your sitting up here like Artest said out his mouth he "was gonna kill Kobe" and he didn't...you take an elbow to the chest and tell me how it feels man.

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

Both are about the same honestly, someone gives you a dirty elbow or gets in your face.

Anyways it wasn't a throat slash gesture because Artest did not get fine for it. Stevenson got hit with 25k for doing it in the past.


if you think both are the same then you are an EDIOT.......Kobe's elbow was when he was fighting for position...while Artest ran to him.....

[gts]

That is not a full story though. The reason Artest had to react the way he did in a first place was because of the Crawford missing Kobe's flagrant 1 foul (i.e. elbow). In the retrospect, given that the ref did not know that he overlooked Kobe's violation, one can understand why he (crawford) did what he did. Also, most likely crawford did think that Artest was showing "slid the throat" sign but he was mistaken. NBA commision on the other hand had a better understanding of the situation and it should have concluded that there was absolutely nothing theer that would warrant ejection of Artest. Otherwise one should conclude that every time when after getting one tech the player tries to explain how he was hit/wronged - he should be ejected.
It's like ejecting the players for

stopped at the bolded part... artest did not HAVE to do anything....

I suppose he HAD to go into the stands or HAD to break the TV monitor in the garden..

all artest Had to do was shut up and play ball... go whine to the ref and be done with it... not chase kobe down the floor to get in his face after complaining to the ref about it, or keep jawing after he had been seperated from kobe...

kobe got under artest's skin and the results were very predictable...lol because like you ron thinks he HAD to act that way

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Dude, you just called me a sick f*ck and a pervert for saying Artest would've punched somebody if this was 5 years ago. But it's cool for you to say you're going to arrest him for not doing anything?

Talk about double standards.

i'll throw your asss in jail if you don't shut ur mouth.

[bigkingsfan]

if you think both are the same then you are an EDIOT.......Kobe's elbow was when he was fighting for position...while Artest ran to him.....
Not even go to bother, way to insult yourself.

[ProfessorMurder]

i'll throw your asss in jail if you don't shut ur mouth.

:cry: Please don't mister... HAHAHA! Most empty threat in history?

[djutjud14]

wow.. whoever say artest made a throat slashing figure gotta be blind.

just because he pointed at kobe and then made that figure doesn't necessarily mean he's threatening him..

it could be like this..
artest: HEY ( points at kobe ), YOU JUST FREAKIN ELBOWED ME ( make elbow movement )

you can actually see that he's just mimicking what kobe did to him.
if a person make a thoat slashing move, his/her thumb would be out, pointing at his/her neck, but his thumb was not.. he made a fist and then made an elbow move.

no need to overreact over what artest did.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

I'm not even about to debate with a Lakers fan just like I don't debate with a Nuggets fan cuz your only gonna see it your way, I could see if Artest left the court and then came back with a weapon to get Kobe then yea throw his ass in jail but he didn't do any of that, Kobe and Artest go way back like I said and your sitting up here like Artest said out his mouth he "was gonna kill Kobe" and he didn't...you take an elbow to the chest and tell me how it feels man.

i am obviously bored and just bul shtting sorry if i offended you. plus i heard artest confronted kobe after the game with his crew and they were all carrying heavy artillery (focus ProfessorMurder, i am not talking about that kind of heavy artillery). anyways if artest or his pose pointed guns like my source tells me (this guy is never off, he reported to me gasol would get traded to the lakers the second shaq got traded), than kick artest out of the league. no place for gang banging in the nba.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

wow.. whoever say artest made a throat slashing figure gotta be blind.

just because he pointed at kobe and then made that figure doesn't necessarily mean he's threatening him..

it could be like this..
artest: HEY ( points at kobe ), YOU JUST FREAKIN ELBOWED ME ( make elbow movement )

you could actually see that he's just mimicking what kobe did to him.
if a person make a thoat slashing move, his/her thumb would be out, pointing at his/her neck, but his thumb was not.. he made a fist and then made an elbow move.

no need to overreact over what artest did.

if it was so blatant on kobe's behalf, why would artest need to notify mr. bryant of such an act? simple he wasnt...he was telling kobester he was about to carve his fcking head off and send it to venessa in a box.

[ikoiko]

sorry, but you cant run around threatening peoples lives on the streets and you certainly cant do it on the basketball court. now if kobe is found dead before game 3 who are they gonna look at? artest better watch his assss. felon imo.

you are why everybody thinks laker fans are idiots.

[djutjud14]

if it was so blatant on kobe's behalf, why would artest need to notify mr. bryant of such an act? simple he wasnt...he was telling kobester he was about to carve his fcking head off and send it to venessa in a box.

he was just pissed at the guy for throwing elbow at him.. understandable..
wouldn't you be piss if a guy throw an elbow at you ?? you prolly do the same thing.. it's just natural reaction by artest as a human being..

but the fact that it was artest that did it, you guys overblown it.

[#1SportsFan86]

i am obviously bored and just bul shtting sorry if i offended you. plus i heard artest confronted kobe after the game with his crew and they were all carrying heavy artillery (focus ProfessorMurder, i am not talking about that kind of heavy artillery). anyways if artest or his pose pointed guns like my source tells me (this guy is never off, he reported to me gasol would get traded to the lakers the second shaq got traded), than kick artest out of the league. no place for gang banging in the nba.


take an elbow to the chest and tell me how that s*** feels

[mamba24]

Man you guys need to stop whining...this is the playoffs...Kobe did throw and elbow and got a flagrant....artest over reacted...and got tossed...no artest did not tell kobe im gonna kill you....stop being homer fans...this goes to both lakers and rocket fans...

its getting physical and i love it....if you guys are gonna whine i suggest you guys start wearing skirts and go in for gender change operations....

man all you guys are freaking ladies...sheesh

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

take an elbow to the chest and tell me how that s*** feels

artest is a bull blown retard..it probably felt great to him. ronald was just mad he didnt get the rebound.

[ProfessorMurder]

plus i heard artest confronted kobe after the game with his crew and they were all carrying heavy artillery (focus ProfessorMurder, i am not talking about that kind of heavy artillery).

OH SH*T! They rolled up in tanks?!?! Come on man...

Just to clarify for you NoGunzJustSkillz, I've never even held a gun, and I don't go around murder scenes jacking off.




no place for gang banging in the nba.

Then why are you watching? hahaha Get it?

Like guys having sex, and you watching it.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

take an elbow to the chest and tell me how that s*** feels

if you play ball, you know it happens all the time. doesn't hurt AT ALL, unless you get the point of the elbow, in which case its a little stinger.

what you DONT want to see is for that elbow to hit the windpipe. that is seriously dangerous... and thus the NBA rule.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

OH SH*T! They rolled up in tanks?!?! Come on man...

Just to clarify for you NoGunzJustSkillz, I've never even held a gun, and I don't go around murder scenes jacking off.





Then why are you watching? hahaha Get it?

Like guys having sex, and you watching it.

whoa..that imagination i was talking about. i was talking about gun violence and gang members like crips and bloods. focus nikka.

[ProfessorMurder]

Hey man, I'm just trying to up the ante in weirdness. I do enjoy making things as awkward as possible.

This one time, I heard that Kobe was playing so well that he actually took a nap during the game, and single-handedly went on a 106 to nothing run, while the rest of him team went out for ice cream.

[#1SportsFan86]

artest is a bull blown retard..it probably felt great to him. ronald was just mad he didnt get the rebound.

It don't matter how big artest is you idiot...you can go around hitting people in the chest like that, if it was the other way around you and the rest of the Lakers fans would demand Artest be supended to hitting the great Kobe.

[MaxFly]

That's fair, dirty elbow from the fans perspective. Glad the NBA saw the same.

Agreed.


The question is... what happened to the elbow to the throat that could have killed Artest that so many people were incensed and outraged about?

[wang4three]

I'm laughing at people saying that Artest threatened Kobe's life. Not one person, not even Kobe, on the court there has said any sort of malicious threat was made from the part of Artest. Anyone thinking otherwise is just seeing something that is not even there. If Artest was going to hurt Kobe, he had more than ample time to do it.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Hey man, I'm just trying to up the ante in weirdness. I do enjoy making things as awkward as possible.

This one time, I heard that Kobe was playing so well that he actually took a nap during the game, and single-handedly went on a 106 to nothing run, while the rest of him team went out for ice cream.

yeah game 6, second half of the nba finals last year and kobe didnt really score 106.

[MaxFly]

He did it the moment Kobe elbowed him in the throat? The very moment?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plZ0B854hrE


Thats not what im seeing at about 36 seconds in.

And why is Artest doing a throat swipe. Shouldn't he have been doing a chest swipe since the elbow was to the chest and not the throat?

[oh the horror]

The question is... what happened to the elbow to the throat that could have killed Artest that so many people were incensed and outraged about?


Short answer: it didnt happen.

[ProfessorMurder]

yeah game 6, second half of the nba finals last year and kobe didnt really score 106.

But there was ice cream right? :confusedshrug:

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

But there was ice cream right? :confusedshrug:

no, but lots of pot and booze during halftime.

[Laker4Lyfe]

And why is Artest doing a throat swipe. Shouldn't he have been doing a chest swipe since the elbow was to the chest and not the throat?



You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to MaxFly again.

:applause::applause:

[giantgonzolez]

Who cares, it's the Artest ejection that really hurt the Rockets. It was basically the point of no return where the Rockets couldn't win playing 5 on 6.
They already don't have Mutombo(their best inside defender) and McGrady(Their Best Offensive Player) and when the refs take away Artest, there's no chance of them to win.

[zabuza666]

Out of the two that happened, which has the most potential to start a fight?

and I dont know where youre from, but when someone points at me, and runs their hand past their neck like that, im not thinking about the fact that i caught them in the neck. Im thinking they want to fight, or cut my throat.


Now if he didnt mean to do that gesture on purpose is the case, and maybe he did not, but THAT is the universal gesture for a throat slash as much as the middle finer is a gesture for "f*ck you"

You dumbass, he was imitating the elbow kobe threw. If he was indicating to slash kobe's throat, he would have stuck his thumb at to imitate the knife.

Jesus some people are dumb.

[LA_Showtime]

You dumbass, he was imitating the elbow kobe threw. If he was indicating to slash kobe's throat, he would have stuck his thumb at to imitate the knife.

Jesus some people are dumb.

Nah I think he's got a point. J Crawford didn't see Kobe's elbow, so to him it looked like Artest was threatening him.

[Scott Pippen]

you are why everybody thinks laker fans are idiots.He's not a Lakers fan. I would not generalize everyone.

[oh the horror]

For those of you saying Kobe caught him in the throat.


http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/video?id=4149491


Try again. Yes the elbow was thrown, but next time, try not to go overboard.


Kind of changes it up when you see the other view eh?


Ron Artest, is the master of deception for the sake of the game, and thats all he is. Kobe clearly gets his chest, and Ron grabs his neck? Pffffffft.

[OldSchoolBBall]

and I dont know where youre from, but when someone points at me, and runs their hand past their neck like that, im not thinking about the fact that i caught them in the neck. Im thinking they want to fight, or cut my throat.



It pretty clearly wasn't a "throat slit" gesture. Only Kobe fans are maintaining this. Artest is clearly demonstrating an elbow strike out to the side, showing what happened to him. Artest's fist is clenched the whole time, like in an elbow strike. You don't make a fist to "slit your throat."

[amfirst]

Who cares, it's the Artest ejection that really hurt the Rockets. It was basically the point of no return where the Rockets couldn't win playing 5 on 6.
They already don't have Mutombo(their best inside defender) and McGrady(Their Best Offensive Player) and when the refs take away Artest, there's no chance of them to win.

The Lakers were up 10, they weren't going to win anyways.

[amfirst]

It pretty clearly wasn't a "throat slit" gesture. Only Kobe fans are maintaining this. Artest is clearly demonstrating an elbow strike out to the side, showing what happened to him. Artest's fist is clenched the whole time, like in an elbow strike. You don't make a fist to "slit your throat."

Kobe got him on the chest, so that was clearly a throat slit gesture.

[godofgods]

[QUOTE=insidehoops]http://www.insidehoops.com/blog/?p=4298

Jackson also announced that the Lakers

[reppy]

Show me a throat slash gesture that involves using a closed fist across your own chin. Seriously. I think Artest might be the first person to have pulled off this incredible gesture.

NBA. Where Will Amazing Happen Next?

[OldSchoolBBall]

Show me a throat slash gesture that involves using a closed fist across your own chin. Seriously. I think Artest might be the first person to have pulled off this incredible gesture.

NBA. Where Will Amazing Happen Next?

Seriously. :oldlol: The lengths to which these Laker fans will go to act like that was any sort of a "throat slash" gesture is hysterical. Dude had his fist closed the entire time and was clearly demonstrating an elbow strike out to the side, showing the refs what Kobe had just done to him.

[Charles_Oakley]

Yep, you do a throat slashing gesture in two ways:

a) With you index finger stretched

b) With you hand not clenched and all your fingers stretched.

Artest was clearly showing Kobe's elbow with that gesture. I don't know how anyone could think of this as throat slashing gesture.

[andgar923]

Yep, you do a throat slashing gesture in two ways:

a) With you index finger stretched

b) With you hand not clenched and all your fingers stretched.

Artest was clearly showing Kobe's elbow with that gesture. I don't know how anyone could think of this as throat slashing gesture.

And not as fast or aggressively as Artest did.

Its usually done very slowly or in a much slower pace than Artest did.

[oh the horror]

So, Kobe didnt get suspended, and he didnt catch Artest "on the neck" like some of you were arguing.


Whats the next thing to beat to death in regards to Kobe?

[Bond007]

NBA suspensions don't always make sense
by Charley Rosen

Charley Rosen is FOXSports.com's NBA analyst and author of 15 books about hoops, the current ones being The First Tip-Off: The Incredible Story of the Birth of the NBA and No Blood, No Foul.

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Bowling, swimming, golf, and tennis are the only non-contact sports that are even marginally worthy of attention in Sports America. According to James Naismith's original conception, basketball was supposed to fit into the same category.

However, in the modern era, basketball

[RoseCity07]

Great punishment. Give Kobe a the maximum punishment that doesn't have any effect what so ever. It doesn't effect last game or the next game, and he won't have to pay any fine.

Way to stick it to Kobe.

[plowking]

Great punishment. Give Kobe a the maximum punishment that doesn't have any effect what so ever. It doesn't effect last game or the next game, and he won't have to pay any fine.

Way to stick it to Kobe.

You want an elbow to the chest penalized?

Let's fine players for every foul they commit now.

[oh the horror]

You want an elbow to the chest penalized?

Let's fine players for every foul they commit now.


Not even that, but to expect a suspension out of what Kobe did? Seriously?!


A flagrant one, is OKAY enough.

[Toizumi]

http://i44.tinypic.com/23haexx.gif

that is NOT a troath swipe :confusedshrug:
Artest points at Kobe and shows the ref what Kobe did, which was throwing an elbow. Aaah well.. Kobe got his flagrant, which is good, just happy he didnt get suspended! I'm not rooting for either team, just wanna see some good games. Hate the fact that fish is out, should've have been a flagrant 1 also IMO.. he lost his temper and ran through a pick or whatever with excessive force. aah well..

[paintingshade]

HEY LAKER FANS

the only ones who think kobe is innocent is YOU! what the hell does that say? Kobe did hit artest in the "upper chest", but here's what I want you to do. take your pinky finger and see how long it is. THATS THE DISTANCE BETWEEN WHERE KOBE HIT AND ARTESTS NECK. don't give me this "it's only the upper chest" bull****. it was a dirty play not because of where it was, but because of where it could've been if artest moved in the wrong way. and the whole throat slicing gesture is just you trying to deflect the fact that KOBE IS A DIRTY, COWARD OF A PLAYER, TRYING TO MAKE UP FOR HIS EPIC CHOKE JOB IN LAST YEARS FINALS.

and hey, nogunz, I want you banned from this forum for what you've said. under different management you would've been already. you're a disgrace to even laker's fans and to the human race in general. you're probably the stupidest poster I have ever seen.

[oh the horror]

HEY LAKER FANS

the only ones who think kobe is innocent is YOU! what the hell does that say? Kobe did hit artest in the "upper chest", but here's what I want you to do. take your pinky finger and see how long it is. THATS THE DISTANCE BETWEEN WHERE KOBE HIT AND ARTESTS NECK. don't give me this "it's only the upper chest" bull****. it was a dirty play not because of where it was, but because of where it could've been if artest moved in the wrong way.




So it was a dirty play, because of what it COULD have been? Hmmm.

[monkeypox]

HEY LAKER FANS

the only ones who think kobe is innocent is YOU! what the hell does that say? Kobe did hit artest in the "upper chest", but here's what I want you to do. take your pinky finger and see how long it is. THATS THE DISTANCE BETWEEN WHERE KOBE HIT AND ARTESTS NECK. don't give me this "it's only the upper chest" bull****. it was a dirty play not because of where it was, but because of where it could've been if artest moved in the wrong way. and the whole throat slicing gesture is just you trying to deflect the fact that KOBE IS A DIRTY, COWARD OF A PLAYER, TRYING TO MAKE UP FOR HIS EPIC CHOKE JOB IN LAST YEARS FINALS.

and hey, nogunz, I want you banned from this forum for what you've said. under different management you would've been already. you're a disgrace to even laker's fans and to the human race in general. you're probably the stupidest poster I have ever seen.


Drama much? What do you think about Artest shoving his elbow in to Kobe's head? You're blowing this way out of proportion. This isn't even close to something like Ray Allen's attempted elbowing to another players crotch. He lost composure and put extra force on clearing artest off of him and the refs didn't see it. They gave him a flagrant afterwards, the end.

[Toizumi]

HEY LAKER FANS

the only ones who think kobe is innocent is YOU! what the hell does that say? Kobe did hit artest in the "upper chest", but here's what I want you to do. take your pinky finger and see how long it is. THATS THE DISTANCE BETWEEN WHERE KOBE HIT AND ARTESTS NECK. don't give me this "it's only the upper chest" bull****. it was a dirty play not because of where it was, but because of where it could've been if artest moved in the wrong way. and the whole throat slicing gesture is just you trying to deflect the fact that KOBE IS A DIRTY, COWARD OF A PLAYER, TRYING TO MAKE UP FOR HIS EPIC CHOKE JOB IN LAST YEARS FINALS.

and hey, nogunz, I want you banned from this forum for what you've said. under different management you would've been already. you're a disgrace to even laker's fans and to the human race in general. you're probably the stupidest poster I have ever seen.

http://espn.go.com/photo/2006/0605/nba_a_nowitzki_430.jpg

pictured above, NOT A FOUL! Manu he was only a few inches away from getting a clean block. It's about the player's intention and not what acutally happened. :cheers:

[paintingshade]

http://espn.go.com/photo/2006/0605/nba_a_nowitzki_430.jpg

pictured above, NOT A FOUL! Manu he was only a few inches away from getting a clean block. It's about the player's intention and not what acutally happened. :cheers:

manu's intent wasn't MALICIOUS. that's what we're talking about here. you can say that fisher's flagrant on scola was just him fighting through a screen, but you look at the situation and see the MALICIOUS INTENT.

dunno if that word is too big for you, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

[paintingshade]

Drama much? What do you think about Artest shoving his elbow in to Kobe's head? You're blowing this way out of proportion. This isn't even close to something like Ray Allen's attempted elbowing to another players crotch. He lost composure and put extra force on clearing artest off of him and the refs didn't see it. They gave him a flagrant afterwards, the end.

artest's conduct during that play was a foul, kobe's was a flagrant. artest didn't strike and kobe got caught underneath. I'm definitely not denying ray allen's vendetta against varejao's balls being the same. both ray allen's elbow and kobe's elbow's are flagrants.

[paintingshade]

So it was a dirty play, because of what it COULD have been? Hmmm.

If I take a swing at your head during a basketball game, but I miss, do I deserve to be suspended?

[dbugz]

Lakers have the d u m b e s t fans alive! Do you guys didn't wonder why there are so many haters on your team/kobe? I'm not generalizing but most of you guys are dumb!

For atleast once in your life accept that Kobe is a dirty player.


You want proof?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1h1Yt4KUND4



Throwing an elbow is the same as throwing a punch whether it was above the shoulder or not. Period!

[monkeypox]

artest's conduct during that play was a foul, kobe's was a flagrant. artest didn't strike and kobe got caught underneath. I'm definitely not denying ray allen's vendetta against varejao's balls being the same. both ray allen's elbow and kobe's elbow's are flagrants.

I agree that it's flagrant, but I don't see the crime against humanity that you see. Like someone said, what does it matter that the elbow could have hit his neck, it's clear that he wasn't aiming it. If we saw him look at Artest and go for the neck, even if he missed I'd call it dirty. But as it is, it looks to me like two players getting physical under the basket. I don't look at one and say "oh physical play" and the other "omg he's a dirty player scumbag coward who's making up for losing in the finals last year!" That there is just needless drama.

[paintingshade]

I agree that it's flagrant, but I don't see the crime against humanity that you see. Like someone said, what does it matter that the elbow could have hit his neck, it's clear that he wasn't aiming it. If we saw him look at Artest and go for the neck, even if he missed I'd call it dirty. But as it is, it looks to me like two players getting physical under the basket. I don't look at one and say "oh physical play" and the other "omg he's a dirty player scumbag coward who's making up for losing in the finals last year!" That there is just needless drama.

if this was the only incident of kobe being classless or dirty, I would agree with you. we both know this isn't the case. what pisses me off about kobe is that he is so god damn good, but he ruins it by being classless.

I'm by no means a lebron fan, I find him boring, but he is not dirty like kobe. I haven't (maybe I'm uninformed) seen lebron taunt or elbow like kobe has.

[the even bigger black guy]

Belatedly giving Kobe Bryant a Flagrant 1 was just as ridiculous as suspending Alston and not suspending Rondo.

First of all, replays prove that Bryant's elbow made contact with Ron Artest's upper chest, not his neck. Secondly, Bryant was merely trying to fend off the forearm that Artest had already planted in the back of Kobe's neck.

More than any of the above-mentioned misdeeds, Kobe's action was really a typical basketball reaction to a situation initiated by Artest. In a perfect world with perfect refs, a personal foul would have been assessed against Ron-Ron.


Besides, at this late date, what penalty does Kobe suffer from have a Flagrant 1 on his record? Do the Rockets get a bonus free throw and a bonus possession in retrospect? Just one more absurdity to consider when trying to make sense of how NBA games are officiated.

Rosen said it best

[the even bigger black guy]

So RonRon plants a forearm into Kobe's neck and head and Kobe fends him off with an elbow to the chest and Kobe is "dirty"?

The Lokis and Knoe Itawls of the world have lost the plot.

[monkeypox]

if this was the only incident of kobe being classless or dirty, I would agree with you. we both know this isn't the case. what pisses me off about kobe is that he is so god damn good, but he ruins it by being classless.

I'm by no means a lebron fan, I find him boring, but he is not dirty like kobe. I haven't (maybe I'm uninformed) seen lebron taunt or elbow like kobe has.


I've been watching Kobe his entire career and I just don't see it. Aside from the fights he's had, I don't see enough evidence to call the guy a dirty player let alone go on a rant like you have. A dirty coward? Really? I wouldn't call him classy, but a dirty coward? If that's what it takes then there must be a lot of dirty cowards in the league in your eyes.

[the even bigger black guy]

Kobe's been in the league 13 years, and I think the Kobe elbow mix had about 10 or 11 elbows thrown. He's played an average of something like 77 games a season. You homers honestly think that makes him dirty?

[Silverbullit]

Kobe's been in the league 13 years, and I think the Kobe elbow mix had about 10 or 11 elbows thrown. He's played an average of something like 77 games a season. You homers honestly think that makes him dirty?

Yes.

[Toizumi]

manu's intent wasn't MALICIOUS. that's what we're talking about here. you can say that fisher's flagrant on scola was just him fighting through a screen, but you look at the situation and see the MALICIOUS INTENT.

dunno if that word is too big for you, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

yeah I know. But forget the whole 'he almost got him in the troath thing'. he didnt hit him in the troath...
I'm not a Laker fan, nor a Kobe homer... Kobe has made quite a few dirty plays like this during his career, but I look at every case individually.

Kobe gave Artest an elbow to the chest, got his flagrant foul.. Now let it go.

[Reverend Hoops]

plus i heard artest confronted kobe after the game with his crew and they were all carrying heavy artillery. anyways if artest or his pose pointed guns like my source tells me (this guy is never off, he reported to me gasol would get traded to the lakers the second shaq got traded), than kick artest out of the league. no place for gang banging in the nba.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[blinp]

i'll throw your asss in jail if you don't shut ur mouth.
I wasn't going to bother logging in, but I just got to say.....way to ignor your commandments.
Freedom of speech ftw! And what did he do to you anyway?

[HERB Stempel]

And why is Artest doing a throat swipe. Shouldn't he have been doing a chest swipe since the elbow was to the chest and not the throat?

It doesn't even look like a throat swipe. From the numerous times I've seen the replay it looks like a heated Artest displaying a high elbow to the ref. It's unfortunate he didn't take the time to consider the way his gesture would be interpreted.

[Number2]

Kobe's been in the league 13 years, and I think the Kobe elbow mix had about 10 or 11 elbows thrown. He's played an average of something like 77 games a season. You homers honestly think that makes him dirty?

That video didn't even have the infamous elbow to Bibby's nose (there was a good one on Doug Christie, too)... Of course, Bibby was assessed the foul on that one.

[HERB Stempel]

that part, i disagree with... he was definitely out of control and who knew what the hell he was going to do at that given moment... only after the fact are you able to second guess the call.. he could have gone into the stands for all we know. that is the reputation he has earned himself and you have to factor that in as a ref.



:pimp:

Totally unfair and out of context. How many times have you seen Artest run in the stands to punch someone because something hasn't gone his way on the court?

[LA_Showtime]

That statement by NoGunz has to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard on ISH. That's saying a lot.

[gts]

Totally unfair and out of context. How many times have you seen Artest run in the stands to punch someone because something hasn't gone his way on the court?one more time than every other player in the league.. lol

you are misunderstanding his meaning.. he is pointing out artest has a history of going off the beam when things don't go his way....

there is a reason houston fans call him "crazy pills" lol

[glidedrxlr22]

So RonRon plants a forearm into Kobe's neck and head and Kobe fends him off with an elbow to the chest and Kobe is "dirty"?

The Lokis and Knoe Itawls of the world have lost the plot.

We do not train to be merciful here. Mercy is for the weak. Here, in the streets, in competition: A man confronts you, he is the enemy. An enemy deserves no mercy.

[lolwut]

one more time than every other player in the league.. lol

you are misunderstanding his meaning.. he is pointing out artest has a history of going off the beam when things don't go his way....

there is a reason houston fans call him "crazy pills" lol


never heard a Houston fan call him "crazy pills"

not one time ever...I haven't even seen that garbage on clutchfans

[HERB Stempel]

one more time than every other player in the league.. lol

you are misunderstanding his meaning.. he is pointing out artest has a history of going off the beam when things don't go his way....

there is a reason houston fans call him "crazy pills" lol

No. There was more to that incident than Ron being upset with something on the court. That's not something I'd like to get into, but its unfair to claim he'll go into the stands anytime a ref t's him up.

Every player in the NBA has a history of going off when things don't go their way. Kobe tried to decapitate Mike Miller which is equally as vicious as anything Artest has done on the court.
Artest didn't deserve both techs in light of the nba's flagrant foul on Kobe announcement

[Knoe Itawl]

So RonRon plants a forearm into Kobe's neck and head and Kobe fends him off with an elbow to the chest and Kobe is "dirty"?

The Lokis and Knoe Itawls of the world have lost the plot.

First of all, it's funny how you still bring me up years later. I must have made an impression of you.

Second of all, dummy, why don't you look around? It's overwhelmingly Laker fans (as usual) who go to any lengths to protect their God Kobe Bryant, while most others saw it for what it was. Now why do you think that is?

A. Laker fans are just inheritantly more knowledgable about basketball

OR

B. Laker fans are the most arrogant, ignorant ultra biased homer moronic simpletons around who never miss an opportunity to call up down and left right no matter how ridiculous and idiotic they look doing it?*

Why are Laker fans conisistantly pointed to as by far the worst overall in the NBA? And don't give me bullshyt about titles won because then it would be Celtics fans. And while some Celtic fans are hated, it ain't anywhere NEAR the level of hatred and scorn heaped upon Laker fans.

In short, you're a typical, misguided groupie hero worshipper. It's one thing to root for a team til the end, it's another thing to argue about BLATANT and OBVIOUS things.

*Apologies to the handful of decent Laker fans around.

[KenneBell]

not one time ever...I haven't even seen that garbage on clutchfans
I have.

[oh the horror]

I wouldn't call him classy, but a dirty coward? If that's what it takes then there must be a lot of dirty cowards in the league in your eyes.



Agreed. Thats just over the top silly.