Is This The Most Underrated Hip Hop Album of All-Time?

[RedBlackAttack]

The Top 10 Nas tracks thread got me thinking about some old albums that I love from back when hip hop was worth while. I went through my collection and found a gem that seems completely overlooked....

Smif-N-Wessun - Da Shinin'

Anyone remember this album? I've been listening to it all day and there is not a bad track on it.

Here's a small sampling...

Bucktown (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oe5Qsws_vSk)

Stand Strong (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbpDm7k8Ois&feature=related)

Next Sh!t (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2A1yjt9HVY&feature=related)

Wrektime (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0avMMrYpsA)

Let's Get It On (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Im1eyzafhk)

It seems that this one has sort of been lost in the shuffle. It is definitely one of my favorite all-time rap albums.

On a related note... Man... Rap really had something going for a span in the mid-90s. It is really shameful what has happened to the genre.

[BRINKER]

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http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_rEMCHz_zUjY/SFZQmGycPLI/AAAAAAAAAS8/ISADkB41o3k/s320/Screwball+-+Loyalty.jpg


under rated albums

[Nanners]

http://images.bluebeat.com/an/7/7/6/5/l5677.jpg

[RedBlackAttack]

Boot Camp also did this track for Spike Lee's 'Crooklyn' movie in the mid-90s... Ridiculous.

Crooklyn Dodgers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkMNLVSRTVE&feature=PlayList&p=DAAB3EE646C8E587&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=28)

[Lamar Doom]

Smif-N-Wesson (Buckshot & Tek)




:rockon: was going to post the other day how nobody ever talked about boot camp clik on here. I'm pretty sure Smif-N-Wesson, who became Cocoa Brovas was Tek and the other guy. Buckshot (who was the RZA of bootcamp) was in Black Moon. Then there was Originoo Gun Clapaz (spelling?)(aka OGC), and Heltah Skeltah.

Cocoa Brovas (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIkvK1lVmfg) if you are into guys like early Wu Tang or Mobb Deep, this is your sh*t.
Cocoa Brovas with the Super Mario Bros sample (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxSXaLfBnYQ) it's actually funky as f*ck
more cocoa b's (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryR0llsQ-Eg)
Boot Camp Clik (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMa5MUwUGRM) My god, it's real hip hop!
OGC (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Bk8tlYTuUw&feature=related)

http://prod-assets.mog.com/amg/pop/cov200/drd100/d120/d12093isuam.jpg


remember the Lost Boyz? I have such fond memories of the mid 90's. I was into these guys at the same time.

Lost Boyz - Renee (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhC8fuiiCXM&feature=related)
more lost boyz (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuI91SbfF_c&feature=related)

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mpAvUhupM4U/R4fqGdd2CCI/AAAAAAAAAAM/BddDm1HVoag/s320/41D73MEWVQL._AA240_.jpg
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41A3BRZFBNL._SL500_AA240_.jpg


one more for anybody else feelin the mid 90's vibe (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUrJdf4PbEk)

[Lamar Doom]

On a related note... Man... Rap really had something going for a span in the mid-90s. It is really shameful what has happened to the genre.


Man you aren't kidding. All of the aforementioned are basically afterthoughts... Basically the peak of the Daisy age- Midnight Marauders, Buhloone Mindstate, Stakes is High. Pharcyde's two masterpieces. Wu Tang's 36 chambers and forever, f*cking Ready to Die, Illmatic, Liquid Swords, f*cking fugees, DO YOU WANT MORE by the Roots my god is a sick album, Com Sense's Resurrection and One Day, Dr. Octagon, ATLIENS, Goodie Mobb's Soul Food!! Jeru, Doggystyle, All Eyez on me, Big L, Digable Planets, Uptown Saturday Night, I can't even go on, it's too sad, it's just too sad. classic after classic after classic.

[Mamba]

http://images.bluebeat.com/an/7/7/6/5/l5677.jpg
:rockon: :rockon:

[Lamar Doom]

YOU BUGGIN!
that album was a bigger crime than anything Stevie Wonder did in the 80's. I see that and I have to close my eyes and picture the way I want to remember him

http://5.media.tumblr.com/koBJdk6EOj3ink5ne0H2Ub36o1_500.jpg


The George Benson "Breezin" sample is off the f*cking hinges (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaIaIL_QyiQ)

You show me how to talk to a lady (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mlrw9Ssk6bU)

[Jackass18]

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41A3BRZFBNL._SL500_AA240_.jpg

+1

[ikoiko]

YOU BUGGIN!
that album was a bigger crime than anything Stevie Wonder did in the 80's. I see that and I have to close my eyes and picture the way I want to remember him

http://5.media.tumblr.com/koBJdk6EOj3ink5ne0H2Ub36o1_500.jpg


The George Benson "Breezin" sample is off the f*cking hinges (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaIaIL_QyiQ)

You show me how to talk to a lady (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mlrw9Ssk6bU)

big willie style = great pop rap
better than hes the dj, i'm the rapper. yeah, i went there.

also, stevie made some jams in the eighties.

and am i the only one here to be a big fan of the 90s rap i grew up with, as well as the rap thats big nowadays?

[Mamba]

big willie style = great pop rap
better than hes the dj, i'm the rapper. yeah, i went there.

also, stevie made some jams in the eighties.

and am i the only one here to be a big fan of the 90s rap i grew up with, as well as the rap thats big nowadays?
ur not alone.

dw everyone can't let go of the past.

[Jackass18]

big willie style = great pop rap

Gettin' Jiggy Wit It was torture. That song was a disgrace to rap.


and am i the only one here to be a big fan of the 90s rap i grew up with, as well as the rap thats big nowadays?

I'm not a big fan of most '80s rap, but love the '90s stuff.

[GOBB]

It depends who you ask. Folks who love hip hop are aware. Folks who loved hip hop back in the day are aware. Boot Camp still does shows. I guess to the casual fan and fans who werent around or still using thier diapers to relieve themselves overlook it. As well as a few other albums mentioned in this thread.


Gettin' Jiggy Wit It was torture. That song was a disgrace to rap.

How so? Will Smith music was able to bridge gaps from all ages. That song appealed to older people who frowned on what we as kids loved. You put that song on in a bday party for a 50yr old? And people dance to it. That single was impactful. Hardly a disgrace, it opened ears to people who may never had opened them.

[Jackass18]

It's highly generic, cliched pop crap.

[playtetris]

The Top 10 Nas tracks thread got me thinking about some old albums that I love from back when hip hop was worth while. I went through my collection and found a gem that seems completely overlooked....

Smif-N-Wessun - Da Shinin'

Anyone remember this album? I've been listening to it all day and there is not a bad track on it.

Here's a small sampling...

Bucktown (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oe5Qsws_vSk)

Stand Strong (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbpDm7k8Ois&feature=related)

Next Sh!t (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2A1yjt9HVY&feature=related)

Wrektime (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0avMMrYpsA)

Let's Get It On (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Im1eyzafhk)

It seems that this one has sort of been lost in the shuffle. It is definitely one of my favorite all-time rap albums.

On a related note... Man... Rap really had something going for a span in the mid-90s. It is really shameful what has happened to the genre.

classic album, no doubt. tek and steele were never the best rhymers, but damn they sounded and flowed good over those dusty beatminerz beats. apparently the beat for 'bucktown' was originally meant to be for black moon but they turned it down. speaking of which, 'enta da stage' by black moon is another classic, slept on album.

some other underrated joints include:

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q178/rapx2010/oc_wordlife_101b.jpg

IMO the best DITC album. oc really is a slept on lyricist and the beats were all crazy (courtesy of buckwild). everyone recognises 'times up', but the album is so much more than that. from battle raps to insanely detailed and evocative narratives, oc came hard with his pen game on this one. his following record is also underrated by many.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_d71vMvMPMGc/RzqryuIReYI/AAAAAAAAAck/Tkj-Oz-UXk4/s400/peterockclsmooth-themainingredient(Front).jpg

top 5 best produced albums of the '90s. front to back i rate it higher than 'mecca and the soul brother'. according to pete, he actually created the beat to 'in the flesh (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwHFPkLaMu0)' in front of biggie. this was the very same session in which puff heard pete's version of 'juicy' and decided to jack it.

others:

main source - breaking atoms
prince paul - a prince among thieves
scarface - the fix
keith murray - enigma (e. sermon came with the heat)
ugk - ridin dirty
organized konfusion - stress: the extinction agenda

heaps more i've forgotten about. lamar also mentioned a sh*tload of good ones that i was thinking of (lost boyz, de la's 'stakes is high', etc)

[The Magic Man]

We keep doing these threads over and over and I love it. Always makes me go back to the archives and bust out a cd for my drive to work that I haven't bumped in years. The other day I dusted off Ironman (because our recent Wu discussions) and almost passed up my job because I didn't want to turn my radio off. BTW, OP, I'm feelin your pick but let's be real, and I think someone already mentioned it, based on what was coming out around that time these guys were more like another flavor rather than overlooked. Buckshot was that dude (Who said he was a member of Smif-n-Wessun? Nah, he was in Boot Camp with SnW and Black Moon. SnW was Steele and Tek). Anyway, How Many Mcs probably would give me whiplash if played in my ride today.

Edit: sorry, didn't know somebody already corrected the Buckshot being in SnW thing.

[playtetris]

i forgot to mention, smif and wessun are currently working on a new album solely produced by pete rock. should be dope :cheers:

[Lamar Doom]

and i heard on Primo's XM/Sirius show that buckshot has a new album coming out (tried to find title and release date just now and it looks like it may be a Buckshot and KRS-1 collabo)

[RedBlackAttack]

We keep doing these threads over and over and I love it. Always makes me go back to the archives and bust out a cd for my drive to work that I haven't bumped in years. The other day I dusted off Ironman (because our recent Wu discussions) and almost passed up my job because I didn't want to turn my radio off. BTW, OP, I'm feelin your pick but let's be real, and I think someone already mentioned it, based on what was coming out around that time these guys were more like another flavor rather than overlooked. Buckshot was that dude (Who said he was a member of Smif-n-Wessun? Nah, he was in Boot Camp with SnW and Black Moon. SnW was Steele and Tek). Anyway, How Many Mcs probably would give me whiplash if played in my ride today.

Edit: sorry, didn't know somebody already corrected the Buckshot being in SnW thing.
Yeah... I know that Buckshot was in Black Moon and not Smif-N-Wesson, although they have often collaborated under the Boot Camp Clik over the years. I was referring to the track Crooklyn Dodgers and the two that I thought were the main contributors to the track. I guess I worded that post poorly. However, I was even wrong about the Crooklyn Dodgers classic track. Neither Steel nor Tek were on there. It was Buckshot, Masta Ace, Special Ed, and Chubb Rock...

As for the album being overlooked... I was talking more about recognition these days. Would these young hip hop heads even know who Smif-N-Wesson is? Maybe some... Had they ever heard Da Shinin'? Probably not... To me, the album deserves to be considered a classic and something that all newcomers to hip hop should be introduced to.

Da Shinin' belongs on all-time hip hop album lists and I don't see it get any mention these days.


Great lists, Lamar and tetris....

I think the Lost Boyz Legal Drug Money was my most bumped album in the summer of '96.

Just the stuff that RZA produced in the mid-90s... Gravediggas (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ua4nPwor0kM) is one that comes to mind, as well.


It isn't just a 'back in the day' lament... I love today's music in other genres even more than what was offered for in much of my years growing up. The fact is, hip hop has been on a steady spiral downward and there is little doubt in my mind that the genre hit its peak from around 1992-1997.

I've given modern hip hop plenty of chances, but, for the most part, I usually just revert back to those classic 90s albums if I'm in the mood for rap.

[DC's Finest]

http://vox2.cdn.amiestreet.com/album-art/Sittin%27-On-Chrome-by-Masta-Ace-Incorporated_w56_PM3Scbwx_full.jpg
I still bump "Jeep ass nigguh" to this day :cheers:

[JtotheIzzo]

no

[MontaHardaway]

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x107/Krzysieek/SoulsOfMischief-93TilInfinity.jpg

[RaininThrees]

http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/3717/af48810ae7a0d32fdb7f911ot7.jpg

[BRabbiT]

great album.



and am i the only one here to be a big fan of the 90s rap i grew up with, as well as the rap thats big nowadays?

no. clearly you're not alone.

but, today's rap is like eating a cheese steak from 7 11.

[RedBlackAttack]

no
Not a Boot Camp fan? I'm somewhat surprised. :confusedshrug:

[GOBB]

Damn Lost Boyz was the shyt. That song "All right" was a song i used to play over and over and over and over and overrrrrrrrrrr. Dope album.

:pimp:

[GOBB]

Boot Camp also did this track for Spike Lee's 'Crooklyn' movie in the mid-90s... Ridiculous.

Crooklyn Dodgers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkMNLVSRTVE&feature=PlayList&p=DAAB3EE646C8E587&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=28)

MJ claiming Brooklyn. :oldlol:

Buck shot is the man :bowdown: He's underrated.

[RedBlackAttack]

MJ claiming Brooklyn. :oldlol:

Buck shot is the man :bowdown: He's underrated.
:oldlol:

Original video actually starts with Mike Tyson...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LLN553cFFE&feature=related

And, yeah... Buckshot was/is the man.

[NastaMaverick]

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x107/Krzysieek/SoulsOfMischief-93TilInfinity.jpg
^This.

[Samurai Swoosh]

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x107/Krzysieek/SoulsOfMischief-93TilInfinity.jpg
Co-sign.

Cab Fare ...

[RedBlackAttack]

speaking of which, 'enta da stage' by black moon is another classic, slept on album.
You ain't lying.

I Got Cha Open (remix) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UP2mlvJkAPY&feature=related)

....That is just... tasty.

Buckshot
:bowdown:

I haven't really listened to rap in years. Going back and revisiting these classics reminds me why I devoted so much of my youth listening to hip hop. I need to get on a rap kick more often.

[hateraid]

Can we posts soundtracks?


http://www.leva.com.br/catalog/images/CD_AboveTheRim_Soundtrack.JPG

[NotYetGreat]

The Top 10 Nas tracks thread got me thinking about some old albums that I love from back when hip hop was worth while. I went through my collection and found a gem that seems completely overlooked....

Smif-N-Wessun - Da Shinin'

Anyone remember this album? I've been listening to it all day and there is not a bad track on it.

Here's a small sampling...

Bucktown (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oe5Qsws_vSk)

Stand Strong (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbpDm7k8Ois&feature=related)

Next Sh!t (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2A1yjt9HVY&feature=related)

Wrektime (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0avMMrYpsA)

Let's Get It On (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Im1eyzafhk)

It seems that this one has sort of been lost in the shuffle. It is definitely one of my favorite all-time rap albums.

On a related note... Man... Rap really had something going for a span in the mid-90s. It is really shameful what has happened to the genre.

Man! Never heard of them before, and I should have. How the f*** does SouljaBoy get 1,000,000 views on YouTube and Smif N Wessun only 645?

[GOBB]

classic RBA, my fav was How many Mc's. Just loved how that started off.

"I'm takin ya back come follow meeeeee on a journey to see a forreal emcee!"

yo hateraid that was a dope soundtrack, first thing that comes to my mind is...

"woke up 1 morning out some bomb ass c@ck, my d!ck kinda limp so i cruise around the block. call my cousin snoop as i swoop in the coupe"

vintage nate dogg on the hook...beeeeeyotch

"now do i love them hoes? HELL NO and why is that? BECAUSE U SNOOP DOGGY DOGG AND U NEVER GIVE A F*CK ABOUT A B!TCH, CUZ TO YOU BYTCHES AINT SHYT BUT HOES AND TRICKS ha ha ha dididadeedaaa listen to the sounds from my n!gga doggy dogg"

"i'm headin to the liquor stoh (store) to gets myself some drink. parks my ride as iiii steps inside as iiiiii put my nine double limp to my side as iiiiii continue with my mission. p*ssy is my dish and i'm fishin wishin upon a star."

[RedBlackAttack]

Above the Rim was classic. I believe that launched SWV's career.

But, if we are talking classic soundtracks, you have to include Menace II Society.

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/9834/413wmq23hrlsl500aa240.jpg

Too Short, Da Lench Mob, MC Eiht, Spice 1, Brand Nubian, Pete Rock, Boogie Down Productions, DJ Quick

Straight Up Menace (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwM0LOcTADw) (classic)

Guerillas Ain't Gangstas (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdHXqGTvonY&feature=related)

Pocket Full of Stones (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we3_b5xU9CI&feature=related)

[RidonKs]

Never heard it, but that first beats chillin.

[Big Al All day]

I think this is one of the most underated. I love every song, great concept too. Awesome work on the beats which I believe were mostly done by Redman himself.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_L0deb0c7_Rs/Sd3s6xQmsKI/AAAAAAAABIk/J_42iCsKMPo/s400/redman_dare_iz_a_darkside_2000_retail_cd-front.jpg

[RedBlackAttack]

Never heard it, but that first beats chillin.
Check out the Black Moon that I posted at the top of this page (I Got Cha Open)... I've been bumping it all day.

[bigkingsfan]

http://images.uulyrics.com/cover/m/mos-def/album-black-on-both-sides.jpg

[~primetime~]

Above the Rim was classic. I believe that launched SWV's career.

But, if we are talking classic soundtracks, you have to include Menace II Society.

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/9834/413wmq23hrlsl500aa240.jpg

Too Short, Da Lench Mob, MC Eiht, Spice 1, Brand Nubian, Pete Rock, Boogie Down Productions, DJ Quick

Straight Up Menace (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwM0LOcTADw) (classic)

Guerillas Ain't Gangstas (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdHXqGTvonY&feature=related)

Pocket Full of Stones (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we3_b5xU9CI&feature=related)

god I am glad you brought this up...

me and my buddies played this CD to DEATH back in the day...

and I forgot all about this:


GOAT SLOW JAM:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWOQpwVsxqA&feature=related



that sh*t even has Marvin Gaye sayin "DAYYYUM!!"...:oldlol:


edit:

GOAT "GANGSTA BITCH" TRACK ALSO:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdRsoyvELu4&feature=related

:oldlol:

[Terp in LA]

"Nas is Like" is my favorite hip-hop song ever, by the way. Perfection.

[Big Al All day]

i forgot to mention, smif and wessun are currently working on a new album solely produced by pete rock. should be dope :cheers:
Damn for real? When's it drop?

Wrekonize by Smiff n Wessun is a DOPE song.

[playtetris]

Damn for real? When's it drop?

Wrekonize by Smiff n Wessun is a DOPE song.

not sure dude. hopefully sometime soon.

other underrated albums:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1d/Various_-_America_Is_Dying_Slowly.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2z3eZ5Io18

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_L2ht95i8c4Q/RnrXVs1ENXI/AAAAAAAAAA0/2F3VGNLd_RU/s320/TK+-+Q.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ef72abg6fb4

http://gimmerapidlinks.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/company_flow_-_funcrusher_plus1.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAj60uZwplw

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_gHKcqWpsvUA/RrPVC2J6pOI/AAAAAAAAAAs/jKDa3o7uKKY/s1600/Juggaknots.PNG

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvm5hbWj34E

[Quizno]

Boot Camp also did this track for Spike Lee's 'Crooklyn' movie in the mid-90s... Ridiculous.

Crooklyn Dodgers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkMNLVSRTVE&feature=PlayList&p=DAAB3EE646C8E587&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=28)
that song is absolutely sick

[PistolPete]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Fuz99XPAOIE/SRIwEAyC35I/AAAAAAAAAAU/iDNR20bZMtU/s320/Blahzay_Blahzay_-_Blah_Blah_Blah_-_Front.jpg

[playtetris]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Fuz99XPAOIE/SRIwEAyC35I/AAAAAAAAAAU/iDNR20bZMtU/s320/Blahzay_Blahzay_-_Blah_Blah_Blah_-_Front.jpg

:applause:

this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx-CzN4OO8I) is one of my favourites off that album

[RedBlackAttack]

What is this thread without a little Gang Starr?

I actually think that this track was originally featured on the Mo Better Blues soundtrack. Anyway... Guru was on-point, as usual.

Jazz Thing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=is5xMd1nT5o)

[RedBlackAttack]

that song is absolutely sick
How old are you, purely out of curiosity?

[JtotheIzzo]

Not a Boot Camp fan? I'm somewhat surprised. :confusedshrug:


nah, it's cool, just 'most underrated' is tough to say.

I think the most underrated album of all time is Main Source 'Breakin Atoms,' eventhough got five mics from The Source when it dropped, it doesn't get the love it deserves today.

[Rasheed1]

Black moon enta da stage

Helter Skelter - Nocturnal

[Big League]

other underrated albums:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1d/Various_-_America_Is_Dying_Slowly.jpg
Yes, that was a good one. I especially liked how "Blood" was turned into a full song. It was just an intro on "Soul Food."


Other underrated ("now forgotten" might be a better way to put it) soundtracks were those for New Jersey Drive and Rhyme & Reason. The best track on the former was probably "Benz or Beamer" by OutKast and the best track on the latter was probably "Uni-4-Orm" by Canibus, Ras Kass and Heltah Skeltah.

[Big League]

Man! Never heard of them before, and I should have. How the f*** does SouljaBoy get 1,000,000 views on YouTube and Smif N Wessun only 645?
I posit that if Tupac had not been gunned down you would have heard of Smif N Wessun and Buckshot. Tek, Steele, and Buckshot were supposed to be featured in multiple songs on the One Nation album that Tupac was working on in 1996.

A few songs were completed, however. One of them I find to be great.
Brothaz At Armz (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoCjY0huLKw)

[CeoTypeDoe619]

Slaughterhouse> Every rap group ever

[Legend of Josh]

http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/e3/fe/993b828fd7a0d98d172b5110.L.jpg

[playtetris]

http://www.lib.washington.edu/media/hiphop/images/covers/stress_extinction_agenda.jpg

most underrated crew? i have this album in my top 10 hip hop records i think.

[Legend of Josh]

http://www.lib.washington.edu/media/hiphop/images/covers/stress_extinction_agenda.jpg

most underrated crew? i have this album in my top 10 hip hop records i think.

I was never really on the Pharoahe Monch bandwagon... I liked the dude, but just couldn't seem to fit him into my taste. Monch to me is like an awesome 'feat' type dude for that unique / abstract type rap track, but whether it be solo or group (Organized Konfusion) ... I just never liked the dude all that much.

A good debate would be Organized Konfusion VS Hieroglyphics

[playtetris]

I was never really on the Pharoahe Monch bandwagon... I liked the dude, but just couldn't seem to fit him into my taste. Monch to me is like an awesome 'feat' type dude for that unique / abstract type rap track, but whether it be solo or group (Organized Konfusion) ... I just never liked the dude all that much.

A good debate would be Organized Konfusion VS Hieroglyphics

nah that isn't close to me. OK are way better rhymers IMO and put together more quality albums as a group. i love hiero, but there's no way any of those dudes can hang with pharoahe and prince po either lyrically or in terms of flow. the only ones in the same stratosphere would be pep love and casual (maybe). pharoahe was rhythmically modelling his flow after coltrane sax solos and making it sound ill as shit. hiero has 3rd eye vision, fear itself and 93 till infinity, but none of these albums is as audacious as stress.

[v-unit]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_OYGRPHhYp_E/SN_IDaAEPEI/AAAAAAAAA3s/n97KILXWO9E/s320/canibus.jpg

LOJ called it earlier this week and I agree. It got hate for the production but damn Canibus is great on this. He is slowly becoming one of my favourite artists and I put him up in GOAT contention already. YA RLY!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_X9xogP2YvU

"If you just listen to my lyrics every day for a couple of weeks
My techniques will eventually kill you just like red meat
...Most critics get mad because there's nothin to critique"

[OneMoreSucka]

Helter Skelter - Nocturnal
:pimp: ****ing love this album.

[crisoner]

Co-sign.

Cab Fare ...

Cab Fare was suppose to be on the second album No man's land.

[crisoner]

http://www.chsmith.com/Pics/raskass1.jpg

Because of one song....."Nature of the Threat"


Let freedom ring with a buckshot, but not just yet
First we need to truly understand the nature of the threat
And a pale man walks in the threshold of darkness
Roughly 20,000 years ago the first humans evolved
With the phenotypical trait, genetic recessive
Blue eyes, blonde hair and white skin
Albinism apparently was a sin to the original man, Africans
So the mutants traveled North of the equator
Called Europeans later, the first race haters
So here's the Devil's alpha to the beta
Cause history's best qualified to teach one
Quoting German philosopher Schopenhauer
"Every white man is a faded or a bleached one"
Migration created further mutation
Genetic drifts, evolution through recombination
Adaptation to the climate
As the Caucus Mountain man reverted to that of a primate
Savage Neanderthals, until the late Paleolithic age
That's when the Black Grimaldi man came
With the symbol of the dragon, fire and art
Check cave paintings in France and Spain to the Venus of Willendorf
Around 2000 B.C. Southern Russians migrate in small units
Those who travel West populated Europe
Those who went East settled in Iran, known as Aryans
1500 B.C. some crossed the Khyber Pass into India and
Created Hinduism, the first caste system, the origins of racism
A white dot on the forehead meant elite
The black dot - defeat; untrustable, untouchables
They wrote the holy Vedas in Sanskrit
That's the language that created Greek, German, Latin and English
Now the Minoans around 2000 B.C.
Starts on the island of Crete, in the Agean Sea
The Greek culture begins Western Civilization
But "Western Civilization" means "White Domination"
Myceneans learned from Kemet, called Egypt in Greek
It existed since at least 3000 B.C.
Creatin geometry and astronomy
This knowledge influenced Plato, Socrates and Hippocrates
Cause Imhotep, the real real father of medicine
Was worshiped in Greece and Rome in the form of a Black African
The word Africa comes from the Greek "Aphrike"
Meaning "without cold"; the word philosophy means "love of knowledge"
Stole from first man, Greek power expands
The first Greek fraternities band
The word gymnasium is Greek for "naked"
This was the place where adolescent boys were educated, and molested
This was accepted because Greek culture was homosexual
For example, Sappho trained girls on the island of Lesbos
Hence, the word lesbian (Ay let these dumb mother****ers know)
December 25th, the birth of Saturn
A homosexual god, now check the historical pattern
December 25, now thought the birth of Christ
Was Saturnalia, when men got drunk,
****ed each other then beat their wife
Fact is, it was still practiced, til they called it Christmas
So put a gerbil on your Christmas list
The Hellenistic Era, Alexander the Great
Conquers all the way to India leavin four successor states
By the Fifth century B.C., R.O.M.E.
Succeeds to be the conqueror of Egypt and Greece
But had the threat of the Black Phoenicians in Sicily
The Punic Wars began 264 B.C.
The Black general Hannibal and Carthaginian Peace
In 146 B.C. Carthage fell after a six-month siege
Rome sold every citizen to slavery
The first genocide of history
And more bisexuality in sight; Julius Caesar was known as
"every woman's husband and every man's wife" (BEOTCH!)
Spartacus Revolt, a slave rebellion that lost
Where 6,000 slaves was nailed on a cross
Cross? Aw, shit! Jesus Christ! Time for some-act-right
Christians get your facts right
Cause Christ was not his name
That's Greek for "One who is anointed"
Yahshua Ben Yosef was his name, do Christians know this?
So who do you praise, do you know his name?
Or do you do this in vain?
Accepting the religion they gave slaves to behave
Peep the description of historian Josephus
"Short, dark, with an underdeveloped beard was Jesus"
He had the Romans fearing revolution
The solution was to take him to court and falsely accuse him
After being murdered by Pilate how can it be
These same white Romans established Christianity
Constantine would later see the cross in a dream
In his vision, it read "En Hawk Signo Wonka":
"In this sign we conquer" - Manifest Destiny
In 325 he convened the Nicean Creed
And separated god into three
Decided Jesus was born on December 25th
And raised then on the third day is a myth
Plus to deceive us
Commissioned Michelangelo to paint white pictures of Jesus
He used his aunt, uncle, and nephew
Subconsciously that affects you
It makes you put white people closer to God
(Yo, 'The Man' got game like a mother****er!)
True indeed, **** it, Jihad
In the eight century Muslims conquered
Spain, Portugal and France and controlled it for 700 years
They never mention this in history class
Cause o'fays are threatened when you get the real lesson
Moors from Baghdad, Turkey threatened European Christians
Meaning, the white way of life; hence the Crusades for Christ
On November 25th, 1491
Santiago defeats the last Muslim stronghold, Grenada
King Ferdinand gave thanks to God for victory
And the Pope of Rome and declared this date to forever be
A day of "Thanksgiving" for all European Christians

.. Now listen, when you celebrate "Thanksgiving"
What you are actually celebratin
Is the proclamation of the Pope of Rome
Who later, in league with Queen Isabella
Sent Cardinal Ximenos to Spain
To murder any blacks that resisted Christianity
These Moors, these black men and women
Were from Baghdad, Turkey
And today, you eat the turkey, for your "Thanksgiving" day
As the European Powers destroyed the Turkeys
Who were the forefathers of your mothers and fathers
Now fight the power, you *****-ass ******!

Now around this time, Whites started callings us Negroes
That's Spanish for black object meaning we're not really people
But property, and the triangle trade begins - they seize us
Queen Elizabeth sends the first slaves on a ship named Jesus
Stealin land from the indigenous natives
Gave them alcohol to keep the Red Man intoxicated
Whites claim they had to civilize these pagan animals
But up until 1848 there's documented cases
Of whites bein the savage cannibals, eatin Indians
In 1992, it's Jeffery Dahmer
They slaughtered a whole race with guns
Drugs, priests and nuns
1763, the first demonic tactic of biological warfare
As tokens of peace, Sir Jeffery Amherst
Passed out clothin and blankets to the Indian community
Infested with small pox, knowin they had no immunity
Today it's AIDS, you best believe it's man made
Cause ain't a damn thing changed.. let me explain
Now since people of color are genetically dominant
And Caucasoids are genetically recessive
And Whites expect to be predominant, meaning survive as a race then
They simply must, take precautions
That's why they're worried about their future now
'cause by 2050, almost all the Earth's population
Will be brown, then black, so understandin that, whites counterreact
(I'm sayin.. man.. them fools
ain't nothin but a teaspoon of milk in the world color majority)
So they created a system
To force blacks into an unnatural position
That re-enforces the position of natural inferiority
In addition, created guns and developed the ethnocentric view
That God justifies every ****in thing they do
Condition people to perceive whites' culture as civilized
And every other culture considered primitive - not true!
Racism is the system of racial subjugation against nonwhites
In every areas of human relation
Entertainment, education, labor, politics
Law, religion, sex, war and economics
See blacks were 3/5ths of a man with tax purposes intended
You think you're Afro-American?
You're a 14th amendment and a good *****
Jews don't salute the ****in swastika
But ****** pledge allegiance to the flag that accosted ya
They never teach about the break of islands like Jamaica
But before slaves came here whites would take a
Pregnant women, hang her from a tree by her toes
Slice her stomach with a knife
And let the unborn baby fall to the flo'
And stop an unborn child in front of all the slaves
To inbreed fear, so they'd be scared and behave
And not rebel more
Understand all whites must be perceived as potential predators
I paraphrase historian Ishakamusa Barashango
"Understand that regardless of the lofty ideas ingraved on paper
in such documents as the Constitution or Declaration
the basic nature.. of the European American white man
remains virtually unchanged".. so check
This is the nature of the threat

Now I don't agree with all the lyrics and everything he says...but damn he kicks some knowledge.

[GOBB]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_OYGRPHhYp_E/SN_IDaAEPEI/AAAAAAAAA3s/n97KILXWO9E/s320/canibus.jpg

LOJ called it earlier this week and I agree. It got hate for the production but damn Canibus is great on this. He is slowly becoming one of my favourite artists and I put him up in GOAT contention already. YA RLY!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_X9xogP2YvU

"If you just listen to my lyrics every day for a couple of weeks
My techniques will eventually kill you just like red meat
...Most critics get mad because there's nothin to critique"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWJLXU1rxSo&feature=related

He murdered this track.

[v-unit]

Buckingham Palace is one of my favourite songs by him. Crazy lyrics but his flow is on POINT! Beat is very nice too.

[Fatal9]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_A-5qkUVJe0M/SqhfaycJ4RI/AAAAAAAAAHk/h6MNsPfzf2U/S410/Boogie+Monsters+-+Riders+Of+The+Storm+The+Underwater+Album+(Front). jpg

Honey Dips in Gotham (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYZ0eSpb-ec) (don't know if this is the album version, but it's the better one)
Thresholds of Stress (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qubYCO9QMbA)
Slow Jam (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WpkS0FN5Q8)
Jagganauts (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUnetavDWwI)
Muzic Appreciation (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuPsxh4vi1k)


remember the Lost Boyz? I have such fond memories of the mid 90's. I was into these guys at the same time.

Lost Boyz - Renee (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhC8fuiiCXM&feature=related)
more lost boyz (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuI91SbfF_c&feature=related)

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mpAvUhupM4U/R4fqGdd2CCI/AAAAAAAAAAM/BddDm1HVoag/s320/41D73MEWVQL._AA240_.jpg
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41A3BRZFBNL._SL500_AA240_.jpg


one more for anybody else feelin the mid 90's vibe (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUrJdf4PbEk)

This.



some other underrated joints include:

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q178/rapx2010/oc_wordlife_101b.jpg

IMO the best DITC album. oc really is a slept on lyricist and the beats were all crazy (courtesy of buckwild). everyone recognises 'times up', but the album is so much more than that. from battle raps to insanely detailed and evocative narratives, oc came hard with his pen game on this one. his following record is also underrated by many.
And this.

Buckwild deserves a lot of credit for that album.

[Sarcastic]

The Top 10 Nas tracks thread got me thinking about some old albums that I love from back when hip hop was worth while. I went through my collection and found a gem that seems completely overlooked....

Smif-N-Wessun - Da Shinin'

Anyone remember this album? I've been listening to it all day and there is not a bad track on it.

Here's a small sampling...

Bucktown (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oe5Qsws_vSk)

Stand Strong (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbpDm7k8Ois&feature=related)

Next Sh!t (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2A1yjt9HVY&feature=related)

Wrektime (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0avMMrYpsA)

Let's Get It On (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Im1eyzafhk)

It seems that this one has sort of been lost in the shuffle. It is definitely one of my favorite all-time rap albums.

On a related note... Man... Rap really had something going for a span in the mid-90s. It is really shameful what has happened to the genre.

Da Shinin is easily one of my top 5 favorite albums of all time.