Ring Magazine Fighter of the Decade

[Lebron23]

Ring Magazine: Manny Pacquiao is 'Greatest Fighter of the Decade'

abs-cbnNEWS.com | 05/13/2009 12:44 PM


Manny Pacquiao is indeed the

[GOBB]

Over Floyd? Pfft

[DeuceWallaces]

What a bunch of ****. Lets see the best come down in weight and get their whoopin.

[plowking]

Really?

Floyd has to fight the best of the best? Oh the irony...

[Lebron23]

I think Pacman has the better boxing resume.

First Boxer to win the Lineal Championships in 4 Different Weight Divisions

Tied with Oscar Dela Hoya as the only 2 boxers in History to win 6 titles in 6 Different Weight Divisions. (Belts: 112, 122, 126, 130, 135 & 140).

2x Ring Magazine Fighter of the Year.



Before the Dela Hoya and Hatton Fight Pacman already defeated some All Time Greats, and after defeating Hatton and Dela Hoya he just cemented his legacy as the best fighter of this era.

All Time Greats

Eric Morales ( Trilogy)
Juan Manuel Marquez (1-1)
Marco Antonio Barrera ( Trilogy)
Oscar Dela Hoya (retired)

Future HOF's

Ricky Hatton
Oscar Larios
Hector Velaquez
David Diaz
Lehno Lehwaba
Jorge Julio Rocha
Emmanuel Lucero
David Diaz

His Record in the 2000's

22 wins, 1 loss, 1 draw, ( 16' KO's)

[GOBB]

Floyd has to fight the best to be the best. Whats Roy Jones Jr's excuse?

Pfft

[Doomsday Dallas]

Boxing is a dying sport.

It really is.

BTW... the greatest fighter of all time =

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/custom/photos/gallery/chi-braddock-photogallery,0,6129960.photogallery

[GOBB]

Congrats, you just made the worthless reply of the day.

[Lebron23]

Floyd Mayweather Jr. Boxing Resume

5x World Champion in 5 Different Weight Divisions. ( Belts: 130,135, 140, 147 & 154)

1x Ring Magazine Fighter of the Year

All Time Greats

Oscar Dela Hoya

Future HOF's


Arturro Gatti
Ricky Hatton
Zab Judah
Jose Luis Castillo (2x)
Diego Corales
Carlos Hern

[GOBB]

Can you post the names of the all time greats in general?

[Lebron23]

Can you post the names of the all time greats in general?


ESPN 50 greatest Fighters of all time (Last Updated 2007)

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Joe Louis
5. Willie Pep
6. Roberto Duran
7. Benny Leonard
8. Jack Johnson
9. Jack Dempsey
10. Sam Langford
11. Joe Gans
12. Sugar Ray Leonard
13. Harry Greb
14. Rocky Marciano
15. Jimmy Wilde
16. Gene Tunney
17. Mickey Walker
19. Stanley Ketchel
20. George Foreman
21. Tony Canzoneri
22. Barney Ross
23. Jimmy McLarnin
24. Julio Cesar Chavez
25. Marcel Cerdan
26. Joe Frazier
27. Ezzard Charles
18. Archie Moore
28. Jake LaMotta
29. Sandy Saddler
30. Terry McGovern
31. Billy Conn
32. Jose Napoles
33. Ruben Olivares
34. Emile Griffith
35. Marvin Hagler
36. Eder Jofre
37. Thomas Hearns
38. Larry Holmes
39. Oscar De La Hoya ( Defeated by Manny and Mayweather)
40. Evander Holyfield
41. Ted "Kid" Lewis
42. Alexis Arguello
43. Marco Antonio Barrera ( Defeated by Manny Pacquiao)
44. Pernell Whitaker
45. Carlos Monzon
46. Roy Jones Jr.
47. Bernard Hopkins
48. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
49. Erik Morales ( Defeated by Manny Pacquiao)
50. Mike Tyson


http://boxing.about.com/od/history/a/50_greatest.htm

I think Both Manny Pacquiao and Juan Manuel Marquez will be on the updated lists because they had some great wins, Milestones, and great accomplishments after 2007.

If Mayweather defeated Pacman, Marquez, and Cotto/Mosley. He's going to be a Top 10 fighters of all time.

If Pacman defeated Mayweather, Cotto ( Win his 7th titles in 7th Weight Divisions), and Marquez. He's going to be a Top 10 fighters of all time.

[GOBB]

Let me be more clear. Coulds u list the all time greats in the last decade.

Oscar is one. Who are the rest.

[Lebron23]

Ring Magazine 80 Greatest boxers of all time ( Last Updated 2002)



1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Muhammad Ali
4. Joe Louis
5. Roberto Duran
6. Willie Pep
7. Harry Greb
8. Benny Leonard
9. Sugar Ray Leonard
10. Pernell Whitaker
11. Carlos Monzon
12. Rocky Marciano
13. Ezzard Charles
14. Archie Moore
15. Sandy Saddler
16. Jack Dempsey
17. Marvin Hagler
18. Julio Cesar Chavez
19. Eder Jofre
20. Alexis Arguello
21. Barney Ross
22. Evander Holyfield
23. Ike Williams
24. Salvador Sanchez
25. George Foreman
26. Kid Gavilan
27. Larry Holmes
28. Mickey Walker
29. Ruben Olivares
30. Gene Tunney
31. Dick Tiger
32. Fighting Harada
33. Emile Griffith
34. Tony Canzoneri
35. Aaron Pryor
36. Pascual Perez
37. Miguel Canto
38. Manuel Ortiz
39. Charley Burley
40. Carmen Basilio
41. Michael Spinks
42. Joe Frazier
43. Khaosai Galaxy
44. Roy Jones, Jr.
45. Tiger Flowers
46. Panama Al Brown
47. Kid Chocolate
48. Joe Brown
49. Tommy Loughran
50. Bernard Hopkins
51. Felix Trinidad
52. Jake LaMotta
53. Lennox Lewis
54. Wilfredo Gomez
55. Bob Foster
56. Jose Napoles
57. Billy Conn
58. Jimmy McLarnin
59. Francisco Guilledo
60. Carlos Ortiz
61. Bob Montgomery
62. Freddie Miller
63. Benny Lynch
64. Beau Jack
65. Azumah Nelson
66. Eusebio Pedroza
67. Thomas Hearns
68. Wilfred Benitez
69. Antonio Cervantes
70. Ricardo Lopez
71. Sonny Liston
72. Mike Tyson
73. Vicente Saldivar
74. Gene Fullmer
75. Oscar De La Hoya
76. Carlos Zarate
77. Marcel Cerdan
78. Flash Elorde
79. Mike McCallum
80. Harold Johnson

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_Magazine%27s_list_of_the_80_Best_Fighters_of_ the_Last_80_Years

Ring Magazine Fighter of the Decades.

Sam Langford (1910), Benny Leonard (1920s), Henry Armstrong (1930s), Ray Robinson (1940s and 1950s), Muhammad Ali (1960s), Roberto Duran (1970s), Ray Leonard (1980s) and Roy Jones Jr. (1990s).

http://www.gmanews.tv/story/161120/Ring-scribe-Pacquiao-best-fighter-of-decade

[GOBB]

So Floyd came at a time where there werent many all time greats to fight outside of Oscar whom he beat. Ok.

[Lebron23]

So Floyd came at a time where there werent many all time greats to fight outside of Oscar whom he beat. Ok.


That's why Floyd needs to beat Marquez, Pacquiao, and Cotto/Mosley to be consider as the best fighter in the modern era.

Sugar Ray Leonard only had 40 professional fights, but he was considered as a Top 10 Greatest boxers of all time because he defeated Hagler, Duran, and Hearns during his prime.

Beside being a 5X World Champions in 5 Different Weight Divisions.

[GOBB]

That's why Floyd needs to beat Marquez, Pacquiao, and Cotto/Mosley to be consider as the best fighter in the modern era

He doesnt need to do that. He dominated his era. Marquez? Wth lol

I dont see how RJJ is on that list and Floyd isnt based on beating the best.

Pacman has the hype and backing now. My guess. I wouldnt mind if they took Pacman and said "Close but slight edge to Pac Man but could change if he meets Floyd and loses". Not he has to beat the best. Wtf.

[Lebron23]

He doesnt need to do that. He dominated his era. Marquez? Wth lol

I dont see how RJJ is on that list and Floyd isnt based on beating the best.

Pacman has the hype and backing now. My guess. I wouldnt mind if they took Pacman and said "Close but slight edge to Pac Man but could change if he meets Floyd and loses". Not he has to beat the best. Wtf.


That's why Pacman and Mayweather fight needs to happen this year. The Winner of the fight will be consider as the greatest fighter of this decade.

RJJ is on the lists because he is the Second Middleweight Champion to win the World Heavyweight title.

And he was a dominant fighter in the 1990's he defeated James Toney, Bernard Hopkins, Tito Trinidad, Antonio Tarver, John Ruiz, Clinton Woods, Montell Griffin, Julio C

[BrooklynZoo]

ESPN 50 greatest Fighters of all time (Last Updated 2007)

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Joe Louis
5. Willie Pep
6. Roberto Duran
7. Benny Leonard
8. Jack Johnson
9. Jack Dempsey
10. Sam Langford
11. Joe Gans
12. Sugar Ray Leonard
13. Harry Greb
14. Rocky Marciano
15. Jimmy Wilde
16. Gene Tunney
17. Mickey Walker
19. Stanley Ketchel
20. George Foreman
21. Tony Canzoneri
22. Barney Ross
23. Jimmy McLarnin
24. Julio Cesar Chavez
25. Marcel Cerdan
26. Joe Frazier
27. Ezzard Charles
18. Archie Moore
28. Jake LaMotta
29. Sandy Saddler
30. Terry McGovern
31. Billy Conn
32. Jose Napoles
33. Ruben Olivares
34. Emile Griffith
35. Marvin Hagler
36. Eder Jofre
37. Thomas Hearns
38. Larry Holmes
39. Oscar De La Hoya ( Defeated by Manny and Mayweather)
40. Evander Holyfield
41. Ted "Kid" Lewis
42. Alexis Arguello
43. Marco Antonio Barrera ( Defeated by Manny Pacquiao)
44. Pernell Whitaker
45. Carlos Monzon
46. Roy Jones Jr.
47. Bernard Hopkins
48. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
49. Erik Morales ( Defeated by Manny Pacquiao)
50. Mike Tyson


http://boxing.about.com/od/history/a/50_greatest.htm

I think Both Manny Pacquiao and Juan Manuel Marquez will be on the updated lists because they had some great wins, Milestones, and great accomplishments after 2007.

If Mayweather defeated Pacman, Marquez, and Cotto/Mosley. He's going to be a Top 10 fighters of all time.

If Pacman defeated Mayweather, Cotto ( Win his 7th titles in 7th Weight Divisions), and Marquez. He's going to be a Top 10 fighters of all time.

im not a great boxing historian, but i would think tyson should be ranked better.. and i dont see why barrera is ranked ahead of the likes of floyd, roy, mike, etc

[Lebron23]

im not a great boxing historian, but i would think tyson should be ranked better.. and i dont see why barrera is ranked ahead of the likes of floyd, roy, mike, etc


I think Barrera was ranked higher because of his classic fights with Morales and Pacquiao.

Barrera is also a 7x World Champion in 3 different Weight Divisions.

He defeated Paulie Ayala, Kevin Kelley, Eric Morales (2-1), Johnny Tapia, and a Prime Naseem Hamed.( Ending Hamed's Winning Streak)

[plowking]

Manny beat most of these all time greats when they were worn down. Look at when he faced De La Hoya.

Hoya > Manny.

[RedBlackAttack]

Ring Magazine has a known disdain for all things Floyd, so this doesn't surprise me in the least. I do think that Pacquaio has reached the point where his career achievements can be favorably compared to PBF, but, right now, I would not have him ahead of Floyd in any 'Fighter of the Decade' poll. It is dumb to have this right now, anyway, since the two will almost assuredly fight within the next year.

Ring Magazine LOVES the fact that Pac has unseated PBF in a lot of people's eyes and they literally couldn't wait to announce their biased viewpoints to the world.

Btw, stop posting Ring Magazine all-time rankings as if they are some kind of validation, LeBron23. They mean nothing. Those lists are laughably bad, as are most publications by Ring Magazine.

Be proud of your fellow countryman, by all means... But don't fall into the hype that Ring Magazine is trying to sell. The fact is, Pac has losses and draws on his record. PBF has never been defeated in the ring and he is a natural 135-pounder that has gone all the way up to 154.

Pac's most impressive wins (DLH and Hatton) are both guys that PBF had already beaten. I have all of the respect in the world for Manny, but Ring Magazine rankings don't mean a damned thing.

[Lebron23]

Manny beat most of these all time greats when they were worn down. Look at when he faced De La Hoya.

Hoya > Manny.


But before the Manny- Oscar Bout. Manny was the underdog because that was his first fight in the Welterweight Division, and Oscar Dela Hoya is at least 4" taller than Pacquiao.

And in Dela Hoya's last major fight he took Mayweather into the limit, and Oscar lasted 12 rounds against Mayweather because still have one of the toughest chin in the business.

Oscar Dela Hoya also defeated Pernell Whittaker and Julio Cesar Chavez Sr. when they were both past their prime.

[RedBlackAttack]

Manny beat most of these all time greats when they were worn down. Look at when he faced De La Hoya.

Hoya > Manny.
Nah.

Manny >>>>>> DLH

Oscar has lost way more big fights than he has won.

[BrooklynZoo]

btw manny shouldnt be fighter of the decade... hes just now making an argument for P4P when floyd has been king for years. theyre jumpin the gun

[Lebron23]

Floyd is the better boxer, but Manny has the better boxing resume after becoming the first and only boxer to win 4 Lineal titles.

His Record in the 2000's


22 wins, 1 loss, 1 draw, ( 16' KO's)

Mayweather's Record in the 2000's

17 wins, 0 loss, ( 8' KO's)


And in defense to Manny's Losses he was a pretty raw boxer before Freddie Roach trained him.

He was KO'ed by Rustico Torrecampo when he was 16 or 17 yrs.old.

In the Medgeon 3kBattery fight he was weight drained, and that was also his last fight in the Flyweight Division.

And in his first fight with Eric Morales he was still a one dimensional boxer, and this is the same Eric Morales that twice knocked down Jesus Chavez, which Floyd Mayweather Jr. himself had been unable to do.

[GOBB]

Ring Magazine has a known disdain for all things Floyd, so this doesn't surprise me in the least. I do think that Pacquaio has reached the point where his career achievements can be favorably compared to PBF, but, right now, I would not have him ahead of Floyd in any 'Fighter of the Decade' poll. It is dumb to have this right now, anyway, since the two will almost assuredly fight within the next year.

Ring Magazine LOVES the fact that Pac has unseated PBF in a lot of people's eyes and they literally couldn't wait to announce their biased viewpoints to the world.

Btw, stop posting Ring Magazine all-time rankings as if they are some kind of validation, LeBron23. They mean nothing. Those lists are laughably bad, as are most publications by Ring Magazine.

Be proud of your fellow countryman, by all means... But don't fall into the hype that Ring Magazine is trying to sell. The fact is, Pac has losses and draws on his record. PBF has never been defeated in the ring and he is a natural 135-pounder that has gone all the way up to 154.

Pac's most impressive wins (DLH and Hatton) are both guys that PBF had already beaten. I have all of the respect in the world for Manny, but Ring Magazine rankings don't mean a damned thing.

:applause:

[Lebron23]

Pac greatest wins are againts Prime Eric Morales, Prime Marco Antonio Barrera, and Prime Juan Manuel Marquez.

His fight againts Hatton and Dela Hoya are just icing on the cake.

By the way his next fight is againts the winner of the Cotto/Clottey Fight.

[RedBlackAttack]

Floyd is the better boxer, but Manny has the better boxing resume after becoming the first and only boxer to win 4 Lineal titles.
This really doesn't mean much to me. It is cool that Manny dominated in four weight divisions, but 'linear' titles is a loose term in today's age of 500 weight classes and 500 belts.

When I judge a resume, I look at who was fought. For me, PBF's wins over Castillo (x2), Corrales, Carlos Hernandez, and Geraro Hernandez are better than Manny's pre-140+ wins (MAB, Morales, Marquez). The fact of the matter is, before his fight in 2003 against MAB, very few people knew a thing about Pac.

He has done some great things since then, but not enough to unseat the guy who has been dominating great competition for LITERALLY a decade.... Not six years.


And in his first fight with Eric Morales he was still a one dimensional boxer, and this is the same Eric Morales that twice knocked down Jesus Chavez, which Floyd Mayweather Jr. himself had been unable to do.
That proves nothing. First, the Chavez that PBF fought in 2001 and the Chavez that Morales fought in 2004 were two completely different fighters. Secondly, Floyd dominated Chavez. PBF isn't a knockout artist and he never has been.

[Lebron23]

This really doesn't mean much to me. It is cool that Manny dominated in four weight divisions, but 'linear' titles is a loose term in today's age of 500 weight classes and 500 belts.

When I judge a resume, I look at who was fought. For me, PBF's wins over Castillo (x2), Corrales, Carlos Hernandez, and Geraro Hernandez are better than Manny's pre-140+ wins (MAB, Morales, Marquez). The fact of the matter is, before his fight in 2003 against MAB, very few people knew a thing about Pac.

He has done some great things since then, but not enough to unseat the guy who has been dominating great competition for LITERALLY a decade.


That proves nothing. First, the Chavez that PBF fought in 2001 and the Chavez that Morales fought in 2004 were two completely different fighters. Secondly, Floyd dominated Chavez. PBF isn't a knockout artist and he never has been.

Manny is also a 2x Ring Magazine Fighter of the year.

Marco Antonio Barrera, Eric Morales, and Juan Manuel Marquez are considered as all time greats, and they have a much better accomplishments than Diego Corales ( RIP), Pamoso Hernandez, Castillo, and Geraro Hernandez.

And you forget to add Pacquiao's win againts Chatchai Sasakul who was regarded as one of the best Flyweight in the late 1990's.

Pacquiao's Record againts Morales, Barrera and Marquez.

Morales - 2-1
Barrera - 3-0
Marquez - 1-1


Those guys are top 10 Greatest Mexican Boxers of all time, and Pacquiao defeated them.

He also defeated the same boxers that Floyd beat but in a dominating fashion.

And Ring Magazine should be biased towards Pacman because he defeated their boss ( Oscar), and he retired the 3rd best boxer ( Hatton) in their stable.

Even Bernard Hopkins should also be consider as Fighter of the Decade because he defeated RJJ (ATG), Wright, Tarver, Dela Hoya (ATG), Trinidad (ATG), and Pavlik.

I say that Pacman & The Executioner (Tied), and Pretty Boy are the 3 best fighters of this decade.

[RedBlackAttack]

And you forget to add Pacquiao's win againts Chatchai Sasakul who was regarded as one of the best Flyweight in the late 1990's.

The best flyweight of the late-90s? Nah... That was Michael Carbajal.

Besides, the weight class was pretty weak in the late-90s with many of the greatest flyweights of all-time retiring in the middle of the decade.

Humberto Gonzalez fought until the mid-90s and he was infinitely better than Sasakul. Hilario Zapata was also way, way better, but he retired in the mid-90s, as well. Most of those guys spent their time at light-flyweight because of the better competition, in fact.

Sasakul was a decent win for Pac, but nothing all that noteworthy.


Pacquiao's Record againts Morales, Barrera and Marquez.

Morales - 2-1
Barrera - 3-0
Marquez - 1-1


Those guys are top 10 Greatest Mexican Boxers of all time, and Pacquiao defeated them.
Marquez IS NOT a Top 10 great when it comes to Mexicans fighters. It is questionable whether or not MAB or Morales would be on that list, as well.

The clear-cut No. 1 and No. 2 are Julio Cesar Chavez and Salvador Sanchez. There is no argument otherwise.

Then, you have Finito Lopez, Pipino Cuevas, Miguel Canto, Ruben Olivares, Carlos Zarate, Raul Raton Macias, Daniel Zaragoza just off the top of my head that I may have in front of both Morales and MAB. Those two have an argument for POSSIBLY being Top 10 All-Time Mexican fighters, but Marquez doesn't... He doesn't have enough big fights to compare to the others I mentioned (and I could come up with more if you give me some time).

Regardless, Castillo, Corrales, and Hernandez were great fighters in the light welterweight division, while MAB, Morales, and Marquez fought mainly at featherweight. That is a HUGE difference to say the least.


He also defeated the same boxers that Floyd beat but in a dominating fashion.
It depends on your definition of 'dominating.' Is a flurry of wild punches that overwhelms an opponent and eventually KOs them 'more dominating' than embarrassing a guy through pure boxing skill over the course of 12 brutal rounds?


And Ring Magazine should be biased againts Pacman because he defeated their boss, and he retired their 3rd best boxer in their stable.

Trust me when I tell you... Ring Magazine does not like Floyd. It is well-known among boxing circles. They've done everything they can over the course of his career to give him the least credit possible, both in their articles and in these fake polls.

[SCREWstonRockets]

Whos better, Floyd or Manny? Who cares, I just want to see a good fight!

[2LeTTeRS]

I dont see how RJJ is on that list and Floyd isnt based on beating the best.

Different decades. Who else in the 90s even came close to dominating like Jones?

[Lebron23]

Different decades. Who else in the 90s even came close to dominating like Jones?


Pernell Whittaker, but Roy Jones Jr. is one of the most exciting fighters of all time, and he defeated Toney and Hopkins in the 90's.

And he only lose one match in the 90's via DQ.

Top 10 greatest Boxers in the 1990's.


1. Roy Jones Jr.
2. Pernell Whitaker
3. Evander Holyfield
4. Oscar Dela Hoya
5. Lennox Lewis
6. Felix Trinidad
7. Bernard Hopkins
8. James Toney
9. Hector Camacho Sr.
10. Naseem Hamed

[halffttime]

if pacquiao beats cotto, :bowdown:

there's no way pacquiao should win that fight.. cotto is naturally bigger and stronger than him.. hell, pacqiao started fighting at 105 (around that..)

i do think he will beat cotto though, lol.. i just can't see this dude losing a fight, atleast not right now. dude is in his prime..

[Dasher]

Why do casual boxing fans continue to overrate Cotto? Manny should win a fight against Cotto. The guy's chin is nonexistent, and his camp is going through, and always seems to be going through turmoil.

[GOBB]

Cotto is overrated because he was hyped up so much that the casual boxing fan who really doesnt watch boxing much just assumes he is still great as he was billed to be. I dont think they've watched much of Cotto to determine that hey, he is not this monster who no one wants to get in the ring with. I dnt think they watched fights where he ate more leather than Jeff Lacy. And Jeff gobbles that shyt up. And his chin for such an intimidating, badass rican boxing isnt up to snuff. The more the casual fan hears Cotto this, Cotto that, they just assume he must be the real deal.

I'd rather Pacman vs Mosley and Judah personally.

[Dasher]

I expect Clottey to put him down anyway. Clottey is a dangerous fighter, who has an opportunity to make a real name for himself, and become the most ducked fighter in the sport, after the unstoppable Andre Berto of course.

[GOBB]

You like Berto? I dunno bout dude.

[Dasher]

I like his power, and resiliency. He would be unstoppable at Jr. Welterweight. I could stand for him to move his head more, and not take so many rounds off. His shell is not good enough for him to lean on the ropes as much as he does. He is still a young fighter, and I see a nice foundation for him becoming a special fighter.

Does anyone else want Manny Augustus to become a trainer? I think the guy could be entertaining and a fairly good trainer. We need more drunken masters.

[hateraid]

I'll admit PBF resume is just as impressive, maybe even better in this decade. Castillo, Gatti, Judah, still relevant DeLa Hoya, an undefeated Hatton... anyone who says PBF didn't fight great fighters has got to wake up, I'll still go with Pacquiao as the decade's best for keeping his name out there and consistantly fighting better fighters, as well as getting better himself while still stepping up in weight.

[The Judge]

Floyd be ducking more guys than he's fighting.

[The Judge]

No way is Cotto overrated. If anything, after his loss to Tony (who was cheating) he's underrated.

I don't think he'll have any trouble with Clottey. Clottey hasn't fought in awhile.

[Zombles]

The 6 wins (first Marquez fight was scored incorrectly by the judge's own admission; should have been ruled a majority decision) over Marquez, Morales, and Barrera are more impressive than anything Floyd's done in his career.

That's all it boils down to. Both are dominant against average title-holders and B-level fighters but Manny took and won more elite fights. I don't think people recognize the Marquez, Pacquiao, Barrera, Morales grouping was the greatest quad boxing's seen since Hagler, Hearns, Duran, and Leonard. And Pacman absolutely dominated it, more than Leonard ever did his.

Two of Mayweather's best wins were duplicated by Manny, in more convincing fashion and more impressively considering Floyd is a naturally bigger fighter with a naturally bigger frame that had to move to 135 because he couldn't cut to 130 anymore, while Pacman moved up only for the challenge. and a ****ton of cash. Mostly the challenge though.

Judah, Gatti, Hernandez, Chavez, and Corrales are all impressive wins. And they are all lesser fighters than JMM, Morales, and Barrera.

[Zombles]

though it's pretty stupid to decide this now since they'll both fight again this year and will probably fight each other next year.

[RedBlackAttack]

The 6 wins (first Marquez fight was scored incorrectly by the judge's own admission; should have been ruled a majority decision) over Marquez, Morales, and Barrera are more impressive than anything Floyd's done in his career.

That's all it boils down to. Both are dominant against average title-holders and B-level fighters but Manny took and won more elite fights. I don't think people recognize the Marquez, Pacquiao, Barrera, Morales grouping was the greatest quad boxing's seen since Hagler, Hearns, Duran, and Leonard. And Pacman absolutely dominated it, more than Leonard ever did his.

Two of Mayweather's best wins were duplicated by Manny, in more convincing fashion and more impressively considering Floyd is a naturally bigger fighter with a naturally bigger frame that had to move to 135 because he couldn't cut to 130 anymore, while Pacman moved up only for the challenge. and a ****ton of cash. Mostly the challenge though.

Judah, Gatti, Hernandez, Chavez, and Corrales are all impressive wins. And they are all lesser fighters than JMM, Morales, and Barrera.
First of all, I think that saying that Pac 'dominated' JMM, MAB, and Morales is going a bit far. The fact is, his combined record against those three was 5-1-1. Impressive? No doubt. But, it was pretty clear that MAB was past his prime the first time he fought Pac, let alone the second and Morales was a shell of his former self in the second and third fights between the two. Pac earned a draw and a split decision in his two fights against JMM, the only one of the three that was clearly in his prime.

The featherweight division Pac began to dominate after his loss to Morales was not what it was 2-3 years earlier. All of those great fighters had a lot of miles on them by then.

They were still quality wins, but let's not discount what Floyd did in an effort to prop up Pac's dominance over a division filled with aging all-timers.

A lot of people don't remember this, but Floyd Mayweather Jr. was actually a considerable underdog when he fought Diego Corrales. Chico was 33-0 with 27 knockouts when he fought Floyd and he was widely considered the best young prospect in the sport, coming off of a three-round dismantling of Angel Manfredy.

Floyd not only beat Corrales, he dominated to the point where I never thought Chico was quite the same or fought with the same kind of confidence that he did before facing PBF. Floyd knocked him down five times in seven rounds, if memory serves me correctly, before his corner threw in the towel.

Then, after gutting out a grueling win over Jose Luis Castillo, which some thought Floyd lost, he immediately took the rematch and clearly beat the former lightweight title holder.

Keep in mind that these fights did take place at super featherweight and lightweight, which is worth noting. Pac's biggest wins prior to DLH and Hatton were all at featherweight and, while in a pound-for-pound sense, Morales and MAB may be ranked higher than Corrales and Castillo were, I would favor Castillo and Corrales over either MAB or Morales if they fought in their primes. There is just a big weight advantage and we saw what happened when Morales tried to move up to lightweight... he was dominated and beaten to a pulp by Zahir Raheem (hardly on prime Castillo/Corrales level)... and that was BEFORE Pac beat Morales twice.

You can't just look at the names that each fighter faced, but at what weights? Hell, I would say that Floyd's domination of Zab Judah at 147 is a better victory than beating a bunch of washed up featherweights.

[i seen hippos]

I always find it hard to believe how light these guys are when fighting. I know about cutting weight and so on, but they don't look that small. They'd make me look fat though, which seems impossible. lol

[RedBlackAttack]

I always find it hard to believe how light these guys are when fighting. I know about cutting weight and so on, but they don't look that small. They'd make me look fat though, which seems impossible. lol
Boxers on the elite level will do intensive training for 3-4 months for one fight. Anyone who has ever tried to box or gone to a tough man contest... The average Joe who is in good shape and does a regular workout routine last about a minute before they are ready to fall over.

Boxing is absolutely grueling and you have to be in tip-top shape to go 10-12 rounds against the best competition.

Also, keep in mind that these guys will sometimes dehydrate to make weight and then, before the fight, rehydrate. You might see a guy that is fighting at welterweight (147) come into a fight weighing 160.

[i seen hippos]

Boxers on the elite level will do intensive training for 3-4 months for one fight. Anyone who has ever tried to box or gone to a tough man contest... The average joe that does a regular workout routine last about a minute before they are ready to fall over.

Boxing is absolutely grueling and you have to be in tip-top shape to go 10-12 rounds against the best competition.

Also, keep in mind that these guys will sometimes dehydrate to make weight and then, before the fight, rehydrate. You might see a guy that is fighting at welterweight (147) come into a fight weighing 160.

Good point about them regaining weight before a fight. It's just hard to get a perspective of how big they are from watching them on tv. I'm 6'/170 and they look way bigger than me. I work out too, but I guess they're super ripped like you said. They train like a mofo.

I forget that Mayweather is only 5'8" too.

[GOBB]

When I boxed my weight was at Jr Lightweight. Nowhere close to my normal walkin weight.

[RedBlackAttack]

When I boxed my weight was at Jr Lightweight. Nowhere close to my normal walkin weight.
Damn, GOBB.... 130? Really?

[GOBB]

Yeah 130 was my lightest.

[Tarik One]

Top 10 greatest Boxers in the 1990's.


1. Roy Jones Jr.
2. Pernell Whitaker
3. Evander Holyfield
4. Oscar Dela Hoya
5. Lennox Lewis
6. Felix Trinidad
7. Bernard Hopkins
8. James Toney
9. Hector Camacho Sr.
10. Naseem Hamed


No way. Hamed came around in the late 90s and he was all hype at that. Only credible win was against that Martin Lawrence looking dude (forgot his name). I'd take Quartey and Manfredy over him.

[Lebron23]

Winky Wright, Sugar Ray Leonard & Lennox Lewis- ( 3 All Time Greats)

Favorite Current Boxer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPf0LyU9foc&feature=related

[Undisputed]

No way. Hamed came around in the late 90s and he was all hype at that. Only credible win was against that Martin Lawrence looking dude (forgot his name). I'd take Quartey and Manfredy over him.

I used to train with Manfredy's trainer(John Taylor) at the Gary P.A.L. when I was 12-13. I would get to see Manfredy train daily. His trainer is brilliant and gets kids off the streets by training for free in a rough neighborhood. Always cool to Manfredy's name mentioned still.

[RedBlackAttack]

No way. Hamed came around in the late 90s and he was all hype at that. Only credible win was against that Martin Lawrence looking dude (forgot his name). I'd take Quartey and Manfredy over him.
I didn't even look at this particular list that he posted. :oldlol: I don't want to hate on you too bad, LB23, because you are still learning the game, but I have to make a few notes...

First, there are two GLARING omissions from your list. Julio Cesar Chavez isn't just one of the best fighters of the 1990s, he is one of the best fighters in the history of boxing Top 30, pound-for-pound. He has a legitimate argument over Whitaker and Jones Jr. for the top spot, in fact.

Until 1993, he was f#cking 87-0. Then, he had a draw against a prime Whitaker (which was a horrible hose-job, Whittaker won the fight). In 1996, when he entered his fight with Oscar DeLaHoya, he was 100-2-2.... and that was against the best featherweights, lightweights, and welterweights in the sport.

Btw, a little unrelated information on JCC... He actually fought Roger Mayweather (Floyd's trainer/entertainer). JCC knocked him out in the second round. And, Roger was actually a pretty damned good fighter. He retired with a great record (59-13) and fought a lot of great fighters. He gave Pernell Whitaker some problems, actually, when they fought in the mid-90s. Whitaker won by semi-narrow UD.

Anyway... Back to the list...

The other big omission Ricardo Lopez. He should be in the Top 5, for sure. Do you know anything about Lopez? If not, I suggest checking out some of his fights. He was a little guy (strawweight - 108), but he was absolutely dominant and a great, great fighter.


Moving on... Hamed being mentioned immediately kills any integrity that it may have had. The guy fought no one. His best win was over an old Kevin Kelly, which is like a fighter today's best win being over Mickey Ward. Then, when he actually did step into the ring with a real elite in Barrera, he was publicly humiliated, embarrassed, and mocked throughout the fight. Then, he took a fight in Britain over a tomato can and promptly retired.

He knew he wasn't an elite fighter... and so did everyone else who saw that massacre.

Adding him is like putting Hector Camacho Jr. on the list. :oldlol:

Hell.. Hector Camacho Sr. doesn't even belong on that list.

My list... Please note that this is only on what the fighters did in the 1990s, not the 2000s.

1. Roy Jones Jr.
2. Pernell Whitaker
3. Julio Cesar Chavez
4. Ricardo Lopez

(then, a rather sizable gap)

5. Evander Holyfield
6. James Toney
7. Lennox Lewis
8. Shane Mosley
9. Felix Trinidad
10. Bernard Hopkins

Outside looking in... DLH, Riddick Bowe, Terry Norris, Orlando Canizales, MAB, Kostya Tszyu, PBF, and others...

[Tarik One]

6. James Toney

I wish Toney had remained in the lighter divisions despite the fact that he lost the RJJ. I understand that he moved up to the heavyweights because that's where the money is, but he was amazing when he was younger and smaller. I remember when he slaughtered that punk ass Michael Nunn. :oldlol: If given the chance he would have beaten Hopkins.

Paul Williams kinda reminds be of young Toney with his head movement and punch angles.


I used to train with Manfredy's trainer(John Taylor) at the Gary P.A.L. when I was 12-13. I would get to see Manfredy train daily. His trainer is brilliant and gets kids off the streets by training for free in a rough neighborhood. Always cool to Manfredy's name mentioned still.


Manfredy was damn good but he burned out too fast. I saw him get knocked out by an unknown at the Hammond Civic Center a few years back.

[RedBlackAttack]

I wish Toney had remained in the lighter divisions despite the fact that he lost the RJJ. I understand that he moved up to the heavyweights because that's where the money is, but he was amazing when he was younger and smaller. I remember when he slaughtered that punk ass Michael Nunn. :oldlol: If given the chance he would have beaten Hopkins.

Paul Williams kinda reminds be of young Toney with his head movement and punch angles.
A lot of people forget.... Toney was the No. 1 pound-for-pound fighter in the world for a few year span in the 90s. Toney was also the favorite against Roy Jones Jr. and he was 44-0 going into that fight.

Toney was an absolute beast at middleweight and super-middleweight. He actually uses a variation of the Philly Shell technique... Same as Floyd Jr.

[L.Kizzle]

Bad decision.

[magic chiongson]

Bad decision.

it was and still is, we're talking about 2000-2009

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Whenever I see JCC old fights I just can't help think he had a granite chin. Dude looks like he absorbs every hard punch to the face like it's nothing.