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yeaaaman
05-21-2009, 02:29 AM
Not saying I agree with this, but it could be that, having so much time off (not just the past nine days, but all of the time after the Detroit series, as well) had an effect on the Cavs' conditioning. You cannot simulate game conditions in practice, especially when it comes to the playoffs. As the intensity kicks up in the second half and things get tight, physical exertion is kicked up a notch.

Personally, I think if you are going to blame anything other than the Magic just flat earning a victory, it is the fact that the Cavs have not had to actually fight, scratch and claw in a playoff game yet this post-season. When Orlando really started its run in the third quarter, the Cavs looked overwhelmed and not used to controlling the game.

That resulted in the team reverted back to circa 2006 'give LeBron the ball and hope he can beat them going 1 on 5' mode.

I think they're conditioning is a factor as well but I don't think it came into play until around the 4th.

I agree with your second point mostly. They - Mo Williams especially - seemed to get overconfident, which pounding the crap out of your first two opponents might lead to, and I think that hurt them. I really think some of their players were expecting a repeat of the first two series and were overwhelmed when Orlando came back at them. I mean, Mo Williams is their second best player but hasn't really been tested in this kind of situation, while the Magic are a young team literally growing in front of our eyes.

A side note, I'm really confused as to how so many of the Cleveland fans seem to dismiss this game as just a bad game, not in game shape, giving it away etc. (not directed at you RedBlackAttack), because If I were a Cleveland fan I would be concerned. I mean, that's 9 of the last 12 games Orlando has won against the Cavs. Now I'm rooting for the Magic, but I still feel Cleveland is just too good to lose the series, but I still think there is cause for concern. Add to the fact Lebron had a monster game and they still lost at the Q? Some kind of adjustments need to be made to counter the success the Magic have enjoyed against the Cavs in the past few years, because right now Orlando is just flat out a tough match up for Cleveland.

Cannonball
05-21-2009, 02:29 AM
As soon as the game ended I predicted somebody would say this.

Cleveland looked pretty freaking awesome in the first two quarters.
rusty as in tired dude. you lose wind you can never have the same intensity in practice as you do playing games. it just doesn't happen...

but as this series goes on you will see the reverse happen. orlando will be the tired one after so many long series and the cavs will be fresh.. wait and see my friend wait and see

brandonislegend
05-21-2009, 02:30 AM
Why didnt LeBron stick lewis?

Cannonball
05-21-2009, 02:32 AM
Why didnt LeBron stick lewis?
usually it's turk they go to not rashard.

Geandily
05-21-2009, 02:40 AM
Why didnt LeBron stick lewis?

Because he was sticking to their usual clutch shooter, Turkoglu.

monkeypox
05-21-2009, 02:47 AM
Awesome game. Great to be able to watch something like that with no horse in the race. Seemed like the Cavs got tentative towards the end, too many possessions where LeBron just dribbles it out till the clock runs out. Great comeback by the Magic, can't wait till game 2.

amfirst
05-21-2009, 02:49 AM
Magics just rain threes and there was nothing the Cavs could do to stop it.

madmax
05-21-2009, 02:50 AM
Orlando are gonna cool of eventually and come back to earth in upcoming games - there's no way thay can keep up this intensity after such a long and gruelling series before. I would be really surprised if they will have another game like this one quality wise - they were still carrying that emotional load after the Boston series and Cavs being complacent on defense resulted in this shocker. Combine that with poor shooting from Mo and West and you get the result:confusedshrug: LeBron and Cavs will be angry and motivated as hell, just wait and see the trashing poor Magic are gonna receive the next game...and the fatigue factor will kick in once the series takes the distance

stephanieg
05-21-2009, 02:53 AM
LeBron Kobe'd his team.

bence23
05-21-2009, 02:54 AM
...and a loss of home court.

There may be some good that 'could' come out of this, but no one in their right mind thinks what happened to Cleveland tonight is 'good'... Unless you are rooting for the Magic.
Good in the sense that it was a wakeup call that its not gonna be as easy as they thought and that they are not gonna blow the opposing team out every night. They needed their first real test and I expect them to respond with a win in game 2.

CLE[216]
05-21-2009, 02:57 AM
LeBron Kobe'd his team.

You're wrong. Dead wrong. Lebron was the only guy who came to play. It will not be like this in Game 2, Magic fans, mark my words. This team will step up.

DLeagueWannabe
05-21-2009, 02:58 AM
LeBron Kobe'd his team.


LOL. (must've huh, they lost)

G-train
05-21-2009, 02:59 AM
Good in the sense that it was a wakeup call that its not gonna be as easy as they thought and that they are not gonna blow the opposing team out every night.

They should know that... there is nothing good about losing game 1 at home in the ECF when you had a 16 point lead. Its not the end - but its not good. I believe that Brown should have taken a different tact. He should be angry about it.

Orlando Magic
05-21-2009, 03:16 AM
Cavs will still win but it's good to see them tested. Bron should take it to the rack now that he has them worried about the jumper..

Curse lives on.

DHouse
05-21-2009, 03:21 AM
']You're wrong. Dead wrong. Lebron was the only guy who came to play. It will not be like this in Game 2, Magic fans, mark my words. This team will step up.

No, mark my words: ..........

......

......

......Magic in 4. :hammertime:

CLE[216]
05-21-2009, 03:22 AM
No, mark my words: ..........

......

......

......Magic in 4. :hammertime:

STFU PLZ.

DHouse
05-21-2009, 03:25 AM
']STFU PLZ.

:hammertime:

monkeypox
05-21-2009, 03:42 AM
LeBron Kobe'd his team.


Lol, some people just can't help but mention Kobe. It's like a disease.

brandonislegend
05-21-2009, 03:50 AM
usually it's turk they go to not rashard.

Lewis was killin in the 4th though.

magi
05-21-2009, 03:53 AM
I said LA in 5 and Orlando in 6, respectively.
I'm sticking to these predictions.
Hope they come true.
If they do, LA in 7 over Orlando. :D

Cannonball
05-21-2009, 03:54 AM
Lewis was killin in the 4th though.
true.. but let's say mo is going off the 4th quarter. would kobe check the proven go to guy lebron? or would he man up mo? haha exactly. You play the odds. odds are that the ball goes to turk.

bence23
05-21-2009, 04:22 AM
They should know that... there is nothing good about losing game 1 at home in the ECF when you had a 16 point lead. Its not the end - but its not good. I believe that Brown should have taken a different tact. He should be angry about it.
Well it definitely humbled them. They will come back strong. :rockon:

Force
05-21-2009, 04:31 AM
Bad reffing in the 4th. they are tight on Dwight then they let him get away with MURDER in the 4th..

The Cavs will not lose this series. This funny game just convinces me of that more...

Its weird looking at the vegas betting lines....even down 1-0, the Cavs are ridiculously favored.. if you bet 100 bucks on the Magic to win the series, you will win 550 to 800 dollars...no ****ing lie

Don't be surprised if the Cavs win 4 in a row or 4 out of 5..this series is over in 6 games tops..Cavs will win, no problem...go and bet your buddies on it and make some money...this series is ****ing over..

PleezeBelieve
05-21-2009, 05:44 AM
So Cavs fans think Z will man up and learn how to decently guard Dwight overnight?

Ahhhhhh.........no.

Cavs will have to make serious adjustments -- either starting lineup or double team wise.

Meticode
05-21-2009, 05:49 AM
So Cavs fans think Z will man up and learn how to decently guard Dwight overnight?

Ahhhhhh.........no.

Cavs will have to make serious adjustments -- either starting lineup or double team wise.

Dwight wasn't the problem in the game. He was beasting and the Cavs were leading in double figures pretty easily. It was when they would leave their shooters open too much. Rashard Lewis burned the,

mlh1981
05-21-2009, 05:59 AM
Too much standing around and watching LeBron, too many open looks from downtown for Orlando from downtown, and a total lack of energy once we built up that big lead.

PleezeBelieve
05-21-2009, 06:04 AM
Dwight wasn't the problem in the game. He was beasting and the Cavs were leading in double figures pretty easily. It was when they would leave their shooters open too much. Rashard Lewis burned the,
The Magic will get hot occasionally with the three due to their pick and roll offense. Frankly its very little you can do about that when they're shooting like that.

But Z basically escorting Howard to the tune of, what, a 89% shootinng mark is unacceptable. Cavs don't want to double him. Therefore Z needs to mann up and get somewhat physical with Dwight. Use some savy defensive tactics to throw him off balanace a little bit. Do something.

Meticode
05-21-2009, 06:22 AM
The Magic will get hot occasionally with the three due to their pick and roll offense. Frankly its very little you can do about that when they're shooting like that.

But Z basically escorting Howard to the tune of, what, a 89% shootinng mark is unacceptable. Cavs don't want to double him. Therefore Z needs to mann up and get somewhat physical with Dwight. Use some savy defensive tactics to throw him off balanace a little bit. Do something.

I don't care how good Howard was. He wasn't the reason the Magic won, the shooters were. We got burned on transition threes again which has killed us in our loses to them this season. The Magic know it, you can see them push the ball up knowing what they want. Like I said, let Howard go crazy inside. When he was going crazy we had a double digit lead because Turkoglu and Lewis could even breath because our defense was tight on them much less get a shot. Howard going to be a matchup problem for anyone you put in there.

ZINHA
05-21-2009, 06:41 AM
I'm new here folks, big HI to every bball junkie;)
and for my first post I thought Hedo was frikkin gr8 aside from the other big shiners out there last night, he got like 15 assists or what:cheers:

Magic to win with 4-2 this series ;)

LosLakers
05-21-2009, 06:56 AM
Bad reffing in the 4th. they are tight on Dwight then they let him get away with MURDER in the 4th..

The Cavs will not lose this series. This funny game just convinces me of that more...

Its weird looking at the vegas betting lines....even down 1-0, the Cavs are ridiculously favored.. if you bet 100 bucks on the Magic to win the series, you will win 550 to 800 dollars...no ****ing lie

Don't be surprised if the Cavs win 4 in a row or 4 out of 5..this series is over in 6 games tops..Cavs will win, no problem...go and bet your buddies on it and make some money...this series is ****ing over..

Are you talkin about moneyline?
Im in Vegas, Im down to put $100 down on Orlando for 800 in returns..

PleezeBelieve
05-21-2009, 07:00 AM
I don't care how good Howard was. He wasn't the reason the Magic won, the shooters were. We got burned on transition threes again which has killed us in our loses to them this season. The Magic know it, you can see them push the ball up knowing what they want. Like I said, let Howard go crazy inside. When he was going crazy we had a double digit lead because Turkoglu and Lewis could even breath because our defense was tight on them much less get a shot. Howard going to be a matchup problem for anyone you put in there.
I'm not going to argue the point. Cavs foor the most part defended the perimeter well, but the Magic just hit tough shots.

But if you think letting Howard go 'crazy' by hitting 80% of his shots is a winning formula, then you are sadly mistaken. Howard's play was the stabilizer for their perimeter game to get going.

And nother thing -- Howard has shaky confidence. If you defend him decently, it takes away from the rest of the game. And it sets the tone for the Cavs to defend the perimeter without the need to chase shooters off double teams down low.

NoGunzJustSkillz
05-21-2009, 07:01 AM
Are you talkin about moneyline?
Im in Vegas, Im down to put $100 down on Orlando for 800 in returns..

i bet $20 for the magic to win the series (i made the bet before the series started). $20=$100 if the magic win...im sure the odds changed tho.

yeaaaman
05-21-2009, 07:07 AM
I don't care how good Howard was. He wasn't the reason the Magic won, the shooters were. We got burned on transition threes again which has killed us in our loses to them this season. The Magic know it, you can see them push the ball up knowing what they want. Like I said, let Howard go crazy inside. When he was going crazy we had a double digit lead because Turkoglu and Lewis could even breath because our defense was tight on them much less get a shot. Howard going to be a matchup problem for anyone you put in there.

Well you can say the same thing the other way if that's how you want to spin it - Let Lebron go crazy and contain the other guys and the Magic should win.

At the same time Dwight helped keep it close instead of it getting to a blowout, and I mean he flat out dominated with almost no resistance.. but I guess there isn't really anyone else to guard him, but I think he was important, especially all those ally-oops. If you don't think Dwight was a big reason the Magic won I think you are misinformed.

It was a team effort. 30 points from your big man definitely has something to do with it. I mean they made 9 3-pointers tonight and their season average was just about 10 per game, and actually in each of the meetings this year against the Cavs they made more 3-pointers than that. So they didn't shoot abnormally well from deep, so they're shooters are going to get theirs, and have basically established this as a normality against any team including Cleveland, so no, letting Dwight bully you around down low certainly doesn't help, and was a big reason for Clevelands losing, if we're looking at the Orlando aspect at least. Clevelands offense is another story.

yeaaaman
05-21-2009, 07:10 AM
I'm not going to argue the point. Cavs foor the most part defended the perimeter well, but the Magic just hit tough shots.

But if you think letting Howard go 'crazy' by hitting 80% of his shots is a winning formula, then you are sadly mistaken. Howard's play was the stabilizer for their perimeter game to get going.

And nother thing -- Howard has shaky confidence. If you defend him decently, it takes away from the rest of the game. And it sets the tone for the Cavs to defend the perimeter without the need to chase shooters off double teams down low.

I don't think that's a winning formula either.

I'm not so sure he has shaky confidence, just that if your playing him well it can get him out of his game/comfort zone. Unfortunately I haven't seen any reason to believe that's going to happen based on the way he was defended.

justin43
05-21-2009, 07:28 AM
huh? :wtf:

Sorry. Couldn't edit. The forum itself have site problems on my end. I got that technical diffculties message on this site.

As for Dwight's performance, if everyone looks at the replays, Dwight got at least 3 bullcrap foul calls. The refs officiating on him was horrible when it comes to Lebron.

LA.MJ&KB#1
05-21-2009, 08:13 AM
This was a GREAT win for the Magic it went with my prediction of the Magic wining the series...Plus, one other good peice of news is the win last night gets the attention off my LAKERS in the media..now they can focus on the Cavaliers lost in game one....

Great game and going to be a good series....Cav has no answer for DH....

Amigo
05-21-2009, 08:19 AM
Here in Orlando there were some people saying that the Magic would be swept. Sellouts. Big win for the Magic. Hope they keep up the good 3 point shooting. :lol

Take Your Lumps
05-21-2009, 08:48 AM
"Rashard Lewis is clutch...I've always wanted to play like him lol"
- Kevin Durant

http://twitter.com/KevinDurant35

Torious
05-21-2009, 09:19 AM
Wow, nice game and a brilliant showing from LeBron, that was some unreal jump-shooting. Alas, it wasn't enough to win it on his own.

Welcome to the playoffs, Cleveland and :applause: for Orlando's resilience.

Torious
05-21-2009, 09:21 AM
"Rashard Lewis is clutch...I've always wanted to play like him lol"
- Kevin Durant

http://twitter.com/KevinDurant35

He probably wants his contrat too. :lol

(sorry for double-posting)

TruthKGRay3412
05-21-2009, 09:38 AM
I would love to see the team that elimanted the C's to move on..atleast we got beat by the best in the east.

Automajic23
05-21-2009, 09:40 AM
This was a GREAT win for the Magic it went with my prediction of the Magic wining the series...Plus, one other good peice of news is the win last night gets the attention off my LAKERS in the media..now they can focus on the Cavaliers lost in game one....

Great game and going to be a good series....Cav has no answer for DH....

honestly, Dwight is not the issue for any team when playing the magic. No coach gives a f*ck if he scores 30-40 ppg. You beat the magic by d'ing up their shooters well and forcing bad shots. When they get cold from the 3 they have no chance of winning. Dwights points are garbage points none the less.

On another note, excellent shooting by the Magic. They will need it to make this series 'a series' and to possibly take it from us.

Meticode
05-21-2009, 09:42 AM
honestly, Dwight is not the issue for any team when playing the magic. No coach gives a f*ck if he scores 30-40 ppg. You beat the magic by d'ing up their shooters well and forcing bad shots. When they get cold from the 3 they have no chance of winning. Dwights points are garbage points none the less.

On another note, excellent shooting by the Magic. They will need it to make this series 'a series' and to possibly take it from us.

I agree with you, but most posters will disagree I think.

SilkyJohnson
05-21-2009, 09:51 AM
I went to bed during the 1st quarter when Cavs built up a 16 point lead, thinking the game was over...what the **** happened? :eek:

Meticode
05-21-2009, 09:52 AM
I went to bed during the 1st quarter when Cavs had a 16 point lead...what the **** happened? :eek:

No one stepped up for Cleveland in the second half except James and they played sub-par defense while the Magic knocked down jumper and jumper.

SilkyJohnson
05-21-2009, 09:58 AM
No one stepped up for Cleveland in the second half except James and they played sub-par defense while the Magic knocked down jumper and jumper.

Just watching the 3 minute highlights from NBA, it seems this was the case.

LeBron 20 from 30 :eek:

Meticode
05-21-2009, 10:01 AM
Just watching the 3 minute highlights from NBA, it seems this was the case.

LeBron 20 from 30 :eek:

Rashard Lewis was clutch though. Cavs were up then he hits a big three with 15 seconds left in the game to put the Magic up.

flintstone
05-21-2009, 10:04 AM
Great game, that was as good as the Denver/LA game :cheers: ....congrats to the Magic and their fans.

Sriracha
05-21-2009, 10:22 AM
The Magic was lucky last night. The Magic is not going to continue to shoot that well and Mo/Delonte will not shoot that bad for the rest of the series. Cavs taking this series 4-2.

ZOMG
05-21-2009, 11:42 AM
In this stage of their careers, Wally Szczerbiak and Ben Wallets have NO business seeing playing time in the Eastern Conference Finals. For some reason, the "coach of the year" saw fit to keep a 25-year-old Sasha Pavlovic glued to the bench for the entire game while Wally kept clanking open jumpers and tried to drag his slow ass around screens. Unbelievable.

As for the corpse of Ben Wallace... when his hops and hunger for a big contract disappeared, everything else went with them. Someone like Joe Smith can prolong his career and still be effective due to his smart play and steady shooting, but Wallets has the basketball IQ of a fridge. He's useless.

Also, Mo Williams certainly got exposed. Dude has NEVER been tested when the stakes are this high.

Orlando Magic
05-21-2009, 11:44 AM
honestly, Dwight is not the issue for any team when playing the magic. No coach gives a f*ck if he scores 30-40 ppg. You beat the magic by d'ing up their shooters well and forcing bad shots. When they get cold from the 3 they have no chance of winning. Dwights points are garbage points none the less.

On another note, excellent shooting by the Magic. They will need it to make this series 'a series' and to possibly take it from us.

So explain to me, hotshot, how exactly it is that the Magic shot TERRIBLY from three against the Celtics AND Dwight had AWFUL games by his standards for basically the entire series and the Magic still won the damn thing?

It's called defense, *******.

Automajic23
05-21-2009, 12:16 PM
So explain to me, hotshot, how exactly it is that the Magic shot TERRIBLY from three against the Celtics AND Dwight had AWFUL games by his standards for basically the entire series and the Magic still won the damn thing?

It's called defense, *******.

Umm lets see before you start getting cocky, the Celtics had little to ZERO offensive firepower towards the end of the series. Paul Pierce and Ray Allen have o help to score in the last 2 games. Celtics had some really key injuries, and perkins/big baby stepping up is great, but they can't do anymore than hack away on defense.

Once again DWIGHTs OFFENSE IS NOT A FACTOR FOR THE MAGIC. Dwight does not dominate a game by scoring, he dominates the game with his rebounding and defense. His passing out of the post is subpar, he has the worst post game I've seen considering he's a superstar. In fact one of the biggest superstar attributes is that he can avg 20+ ppg with the VERY VERY limited post game he has, meaning his predictable baby hook is falling and he's getting a ton of free dunks. Dwight thrives off of his shooting team; his team makes shots frequently he gets easier rebounds to dunk back in, if his team is bricking the other team is more focused on getting the boards and packing it in = less boards/points for Dwight.

Stop being stupid and get off Dwights Jock. Seriously, he is not a good offensive player, never has been, very doubtful he will be.

The Magic/Celtics series was very good, very close. But can you honestly say BOTH TEAMS PLAYED well? Magics struggled just as bad as the Celtics did, but the Magic was not missing key players

Orlando Magic
05-21-2009, 01:46 PM
Umm lets see before you start getting cocky, the Celtics had little to ZERO offensive firepower towards the end of the series. Paul Pierce and Ray Allen have o help to score in the last 2 games. Celtics had some really key injuries, and perkins/big baby stepping up is great, but they can't do anymore than hack away on defense.

Once again DWIGHTs OFFENSE IS NOT A FACTOR FOR THE MAGIC. Dwight does not dominate a game by scoring, he dominates the game with his rebounding and defense. His passing out of the post is subpar, he has the worst post game I've seen considering he's a superstar. In fact one of the biggest superstar attributes is that he can avg 20+ ppg with the VERY VERY limited post game he has, meaning his predictable baby hook is falling and he's getting a ton of free dunks. Dwight thrives off of his shooting team; his team makes shots frequently he gets easier rebounds to dunk back in, if his team is bricking the other team is more focused on getting the boards and packing it in = less boards/points for Dwight.

Stop being stupid and get off Dwights Jock. Seriously, he is not a good offensive player, never has been, very doubtful he will be.

The Magic/Celtics series was very good, very close. But can you honestly say BOTH TEAMS PLAYED well? Magics struggled just as bad as the Celtics did, but the Magic was not missing key players

How the **** am I on Howard's jock?

What I am pointing out is the fact that you said that the Magic can't win if they aren't making shots which they clearly proved was not true during the Celtics series, even with Dwight doing NOTHING on offense.

Automajic23
05-21-2009, 02:01 PM
How the **** am I on Howard's jock?

What I am pointing out is the fact that you said that the Magic can't win if they aren't making shots which they clearly proved was not true during the Celtics series, even with Dwight doing NOTHING on offense.

IDK what you were watching but the Magic shot lights in on game 7, and the Celtics did not. The fact is If the magic don't make shots they will score < 90 pts, making it possible for even the Celtics to throw the remains of their team at them for a win.

GAME 7 MAGIC VS CELTICS (101-82)

MAGIC: 13-21 from 3pt = 61.9% || 36-70 FG = 51.4%
CELTICS: 4-16 from 3pt = 25% || 29-74 FG = 39.2%

Lets take a look at a game where the Magic lost.

GAME 5 MAGIC VS CELTICS (88-92)

MAGIC: 6-24 from 3pt = 25% || 36-80 = 45%
CELTICS: 5-16 from 3pt = 31.3% || 33-78 = 42.3%

WOW WHAT A SURPRISE. THE MAGIC SHOOT THE 3 WELL AND WIN A GAME. THE MAGIC SHOOT HORRIBLY, AND THE WORST REMAINS OF THE CELTICS PULL OUT A WIN SHOOTING JUST AS BAD.

yeaaaman
05-21-2009, 02:03 PM
Umm lets see before you start getting cocky, the Celtics had little to ZERO offensive firepower towards the end of the series. Paul Pierce and Ray Allen have o help to score in the last 2 games. Celtics had some really key injuries, and perkins/big baby stepping up is great, but they can't do anymore than hack away on defense.

Once again DWIGHTs OFFENSE IS NOT A FACTOR FOR THE MAGIC. Dwight does not dominate a game by scoring, he dominates the game with his rebounding and defense. His passing out of the post is subpar, he has the worst post game I've seen considering he's a superstar. In fact one of the biggest superstar attributes is that he can avg 20+ ppg with the VERY VERY limited post game he has, meaning his predictable baby hook is falling and he's getting a ton of free dunks. Dwight thrives off of his shooting team; his team makes shots frequently he gets easier rebounds to dunk back in, if his team is bricking the other team is more focused on getting the boards and packing it in = less boards/points for Dwight.

Stop being stupid and get off Dwights Jock. Seriously, he is not a good offensive player, never has been, very doubtful he will be.

The Magic/Celtics series was very good, very close. But can you honestly say BOTH TEAMS PLAYED well? Magics struggled just as bad as the Celtics did, but the Magic was not missing key players

It's not about how good he is of an offensive player, I don't care what you say its not a good thing to give up 30 points on that efficiency to the opposing center, whether they are using a different post move every play or dunking it every time. It does matter, you seem like you're trying to downplay his effect on offense when even the players themselves will tell you everything starts with Howard in the middle and that he is the reason they get so many good looks. You sound like George Karl in the 2000-2001 conference finals when he said Mutombo would not be a factor on offense and proceeded to have him play a very big offensive role against the Bucks. It does matter, and it does have more than "ZERO IMPACT", I'm sorry.

Sriracha
05-21-2009, 02:06 PM
To Magic fan: Who gives a **** whether Howard is good or had an impact on the game or not? It's 1-0 in favor of the worst team remaining in the playoff.

crisoner
05-21-2009, 02:12 PM
To Magic fan: Who gives a **** whether Howard is good or had an impact on the game or not? It's 1-0 in favor of the worst team remaining in the playoff.


No...the Magic might just be the best. You are underestimated them.

Meticode
05-21-2009, 02:20 PM
The Magic was lucky last night. The Magic is not going to continue to shoot that well and Mo/Delonte will not shoot that bad for the rest of the series. Cavs taking this series 4-2.

I've been saying this way before the playoffs started, but they've done this against the Sixers and the Celtics (who had homecourt advantage). It's been worrying me.

Automajic23
05-21-2009, 02:33 PM
It's not about how good he is of an offensive player, I don't care what you say its not a good thing to give up 30 points on that efficiency to the opposing center, whether they are using a different post move every play or dunking it every time. It does matter, you seem like you're trying to downplay his effect on offense when even the players themselves will tell you everything starts with Howard in the middle and that he is the reason they get so many good looks. You sound like George Karl in the 2000-2001 conference finals when he said Mutombo would not be a factor on offense and proceeded to have him play a very big offensive role against the Bucks. It does matter, and it does have more than "ZERO IMPACT", I'm sorry.

A good team: example celtics know that you do not need to double team Dwight and give up good looks on the 3 ball. I don't see how Dwight can spread the floor for his team. And yes, he does have "ALMOST" <-- always in my quotes zero impact on offense. He doesn't pass well out of the post, he has literally 1 post move and it's not even a move. I always acknowledge Dwight clearly for his dominance on Defense and on the boards. I don't know what I am missing here that makes you come up with these stupid responses like I don't give the guy credit. I think you're just asking for Dwight to get TOO MUCH credit. :confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

yeaaaman
05-21-2009, 02:39 PM
A good team: example celtics know that you do not need to double team Dwight and give up good looks on the 3 ball. I don't see how Dwight can spread the floor for his team. And yes, he does have "ALMOST" <-- always in my quotes zero impact on offense. He doesn't pass well out of the post, he has literally 1 post move and it's not even a move. I always acknowledge Dwight clearly for his dominance on Defense and on the boards. I don't know what I am missing here that makes you come up with these stupid responses like I don't give the guy credit. I think you're just asking for Dwight to get TOO MUCH credit. :confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

They don't need to double him because Perkins can give him a hard time, no one on the Cavs have shown they can do that.

So basically me saying his offense has more than no impact means I'm asking to give Dwight too much credit? Reread that sentence, all I'm saying is that his offensive output does have an impact on the game, how does that mean I'm trying to give him too much credit?? The two wins this year against Cleveland he played well on offense. I don't think that's just a coincidence. 30 points from your big man is important, especially when you're getting it with basically no resistance. I don't know how you can't agree on that.

If you can't see how Dwight can spread the floor for the team you should just watch, it's pretty simple. If he is going to work defenses tend to collapse towards him leaving people more open than if Zaza Pachulia were in the post.

Automajic23
05-21-2009, 02:45 PM
They don't need to double him because Perkins can give him a hard time, no one on the Cavs have shown they can do that.

Basically me saying his offense has more than no impact means I'm asking to give Dwight too much credit? Reread that sentence, all I'm saying is that his offensive output does have an impact on the game. The two wins this year against Cleveland he played well on offense. I don't think that's just a coincidence. 30 points from your big man is important, especially when you're getting it with basically no resistance. I don't know how you can't agree on that.

If you can't see how Dwight can spread the floor for the team you should just watch, it's pretty simple. If he is going to work defenses tend to collapse towards him leaving people more open than if Zaza Pachulia were in the post.

This is my problem. Obviously Magic fans wont agree with me, but Dwight DOES NOT GO TO WORK! LOL!!!! What is wrong with you. Dude has NO POST GAME! ALMOST ZERO IMPACT ON OFFENSE = ZERO POST GAME DWIGHT SCORES MAJORITY ON BROKEN PLAYS AND PUT BACKS GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD! That is exactly what I mean about his offense, he does not impact the game. He does not spread the floor, the Magic have been moving the ball very well, doing a great job penetrating and finding the open man for the 3. <--- That has nothing to do with Dwight Posting Up drawing double teams and kicking it out; Dwight isn't even a good passer out of the post. I'm done arguing this I get your points but you clearly do not get mine.

Kevin_Garnett_5
05-21-2009, 02:49 PM
Orlando! :bowdown:

ANBU21
05-21-2009, 02:54 PM
Wow... just wow. I can't believe anyone would say that D12 has no impact on the Magics offense... He IS the reason why magic get a lot of open shots.

yeaaaman
05-21-2009, 02:57 PM
This is my problem. Obviously Magic fans wont agree with me, but Dwight DOES NOT GO TO WORK! LOL!!!! What is wrong with you. Dude has NO POST GAME! ALMOST ZERO IMPACT ON OFFENSE = ZERO POST GAME DWIGHT SCORES MAJORITY ON BROKEN PLAYS AND PUT BACKS GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD! That is exactly what I mean about his offense, he does not impact the game. He does not spread the floor, the Magic have been moving the ball very well, doing a great job penetrating and finding the open man for the 3. <--- That has nothing to do with Dwight Posting Up drawing double teams and kicking it out; Dwight isn't even a good passer out of the post. I'm done arguing this I get your points but you clearly do not get mine.

Ok WOW, what do you call what he was doing at the beginning of the game when he was like 7-8?? Really what do you call that? lol I really don't think we're going to agree I don't care how he gets it 30 points impacts the game, are you a moron? Shave 30 points off of Lebrons 49. That's basically what that's doing, but you think it has no impact? You seem delusional man. I understand what you're saying but I don't agree, because it doesn't make sense to me. It's more than him just kicking it out, it's players having more freedom on the perimeter with him drawing attention downlow, whether that be from him having the ball, posting up with good position forcing weakside players to overhelp, or having more people in the paint to try and stop him from getting the board, it all frees up the perimeter more than if a guy like ZaZa Pachulia were in the paint, I can't seem to understand how this concept doesn't make sense to you.

Automajic23
05-21-2009, 02:58 PM
Wow... just wow. I can't believe anyone would say that D12 has no impact on the Magics offense... He IS the reason why magic get a lot of open shots.

Explain how he does this night in and night out. Explain to me how you think he is a good passer out of the post (he sucks). Explain to me what post moves he uses to abuse defenders besides his dribble dribble ugly left baby hook (put back dunks do not count).

Please explain to me what he can consistently do in the post besides grabbing rebounds and slamming them home. Now I admit it takes a freak to do it at Dwights Frequency, but boxing out and hustling for rebounds against an athletic star is much easier than stopping a premier post player.

yeaaaman
05-21-2009, 02:59 PM
Wow... just wow. I can't believe anyone would say that D12 has no impact on the Magics offense... He IS the reason why magic get a lot of open shots.

I'm almost speechless myself.

yeaaaman
05-21-2009, 03:04 PM
Explain how he does this night in and night out. Explain to me how you think he is a good passer out of the post (he sucks). Explain to me what post moves he uses to abuse defenders besides his dribble dribble ugly left baby hook (put back dunks do not count).

Please explain to me what he can consistently do in the post besides grabbing rebounds and slamming them home. Now I admit it takes a freak to do it at Dwights Frequency, but boxing out and hustling for rebounds against an athletic star is much easier than stopping a premier post player.

haha, so that's why Shaq was so easy to guard, too bad he didn't develop like Dirk huh?

Basically, if Dwight was scoring off a variety of drop steps and fade-aways, it would matter, but since he's just dunking it home every time as you say, it doesn't matter, because 2 points isn't 2 points.

DTD
05-21-2009, 03:10 PM
Now ESPN shows are questioning if Lebron was faking a inury. Is this even fair? Pretty low to be saying that stuff IMO. I thought he played great last night, why is it his fault that Delonte missed the open shot? I believe he had bad cramps. Skip is an ass.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSgF4pAu_c4

hoss805
05-21-2009, 04:00 PM
Now ESPN shows are questioning if Lebron was faking a inury. Is this even fair? Pretty low to be saying that stuff IMO. I thought he played great last night, why is it his fault that Delonte missed the open shot? I believe he had bad cramps. Skip is an ass.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSgF4pAu_c4

PRINCE JAMES LOLOLOL
BEST ACTOR DRAMATIC ROLL :roll:

LA_Showtime
05-21-2009, 05:47 PM
I don't know how people can question LeBron's decision to pass the basketball to Delonte West. He was wide open.

BTW, LeBron's pass to Delonte West shouldn't have happened, because LeBron traveled on that play. :oldlol:

crisoner
05-21-2009, 06:07 PM
Now ESPN shows are questioning if Lebron was faking a inury. Is this even fair? Pretty low to be saying that stuff IMO. I thought he played great last night, why is it his fault that Delonte missed the open shot? I believe he had bad cramps. Skip is an ass.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSgF4pAu_c4


Dude was just pisst he lost. He played hard.

LA_Showtime
05-21-2009, 06:13 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2009/columns/story?columnist=adande_ja&page=NuggetsLakers-090521

That's gotta be the gayest picture I've seen a while... wow

justin43
05-21-2009, 06:13 PM
Dude was just pisst he lost. He played hard.

That's understandable considering all that work he put in just to lose the game still.