Why do people pretend Ricky Rubio is so unathletic?

[Younggrease]

People on here say he cant keep up with average point guards..that he plays bad defense etc...Then say he is a bad athlete...I dont get it, the guy has an amazing handle, finishes at the rim and gets to whatever spot he wants. On top of that he has been a top players at every age...

The guy is no less athletic than Mo Williams or Delonte West and they starters on a championship caliber team...They are no less athletic then Steve Nash or Fisher?

Its an amazing phenomenon:wtf:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSBLKrZCkeU

Dont you see the elite body control and hand eye coordination and strong hands for the steals.

Than beyond the athletic attritbutes this kid has the some of the best court vision coming I have ever seen at this age and is already a great floor general.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSBLKrZCkeU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AfrB_OQh0A

[Grinder]

Rubio is not as unathletic as people here make him out to be nor is he as horrendous of a shooter, however to say he is no less athletic than Delonte West is absurd.

[lilderrickrose]

People on here say he cant keep up with average point guards..that he plays bad defense etc...Then say he is a bad athlete...I dont get it, the guy has an amazing handle, finishes at the rim and gets to whatever spot he wants. On top of that he has been a top players at every age...

The guy is no less athletic than Mo Williams or Delonte West and they starters on a championship caliber team...They are no less athletic then Steve Nash or Fisher?

Its an amazing phenomenon:wtf:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSBLKrZCkeU

Dont you see the elite body control and hand eye coordination and strong hands for the steals.

Than beyond the athletic attritbutes this kid has the some of the best court vision coming I have ever seen at this age and is already a great floor general.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSBLKrZCkeU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AfrB_OQh0A

He is not athletic can't jump worth sh!t.

[Younggrease]

He is not athletic can't jump worth sh!t.

thats true I guess jumping is all there is to athletism...

[lilderrickrose]

thats true I guess jumping is all there is to athletism...

in the game of basketball it is by far the most important attribute

[chains5000]

I'm a huge fan, but he still has a kid's body so it's too early to judge.
He'll likely have to add more muscle tough, which would only help him become even better on D.

[chains5000]

in the game of basketball it is by far the most important attribute
Speed?

[lilderrickrose]

Speed?

In order

1. Height
2. Vertical
3. Wingspan
4. Speed
5. Weight


of importance

[imdaman99]

Grease, that first video is so boring. Yeah they are hot moves but he keeps doing the same 5 moves and the same 3 passes.

[Samurai Swoosh]

Why are you all over this kid's johnson is the more important question ...

[Samurai Swoosh]

Speed?
Nope. Football? Sure. Basketball isn't about speed at all. It's about quickness, and more importantly change of pace. Look at Steve Nash. Certainly not the quickest player, but his change of pace moves with the ball makes him un guardable.

[DuMa]

if those videos are supposed to be his best athletic moves. then i laugh at you sir :oldlol:

[chains5000]

In order

1. Height
2. Vertical
3. Wingspan
4. Speed
5. Weight


of importance
Didn't you just say jumping was the most important one?

[imdaman99]

if those videos are supposed to be his best athletic moves. then i laugh at you sir :oldlol:
Exactly, I dont need to see 10 mins of the same **** over and over and over again. Make a 1 minute video with his hottest looking plays and get on with life.

[BRINKER]

i dont think its his athleticism that people criticize or question (at least in my experience) but more his strength and ability to guard a guy like Baron Davis or Chauncey Billups. Dude looks pretty skinny. I get the feeling a lot of guards in the league would have their way with him.

But guys like Steve Nash and Iverson have proven that if your offense is good enough, you'll get PT regardless of your defense.

[chains5000]

Nope. Football? Sure. Basketball isn't about speed at all. It's about quickness, and more importantly change of pace. Look at Steve Nash. Certainly not the quickest player, but his change of pace moves with the ball makes him un guardable.
I meant quickness, excuse my English.

That said, I think we can all agree the most important athletic attribute for a player depends on his position.

[KeylessEntry]

He might not jump all that high, but he is certainly athletic. He has very fast feet and he changes directions lightning fast. I have no doubt he is going to be a great NBA player someday.

Steve Nash cant jump for **** and he won back to back MVP's

[lilderrickrose]

He might not jump all that high, but he is certainly athletic. He has very fast feet and he changes directions lightning fast. I have no doubt he is going to be a great NBA player someday.

Steve Nash cant jump for **** and he won back to back MVP's

He is no Derrick Rose though.

[chains5000]

He is no Derrick Rose though.
So what?

[KeylessEntry]

He is no Derrick Rose though.

Really? The 18 year old skinny white boy from Spain does not have athletecism comparable to arguably the most athletic PG's we have ever seen? Thanks for enlightening us.

[Unknown]

Rubio plays in Europe. No one in Europe plays defense, nor is athletic.

Rubio coming to the NBA is just going to blow everybody's mind when he throws the generalizations out the door.

[lilderrickrose]

Really? The 18 year old skinny white boy from Spain does not have athletecism comparable to arguably the most athletic PG's we have ever seen? Thanks for enlightening us.

+1

[KeylessEntry]

Rubio plays in Europe. No one in Europe plays defense, nor is athletic.

Rubio coming to the NBA is just going to blow everybody's mind when he throws the generalizations out the door.

Yeah. That explains why he sucked so much against the BEST BASKETBALL PLAYERS ON THE PLANET during the Olympic games last summer, right :rolleyes:

[Unknown]

Yeah. That explains why he sucked so much against the BEST BASKETBALL PLAYERS ON THE PLANET during the Olympic games last summer, right :rolleyes:

..It was sarcasm.

=S why do you think I said it's going to surprise a lot of people when he throws the generalizations (like the ones I mentioned) out the door?

[KeylessEntry]

..It was sarcasm.

=S why do you think I said it's going to surprise a lot of people when he throws the generalizations (like the ones I mentioned) out the door?


well I guess you got me :pimp:

[chains5000]

What exacty does a point guard have to be able to do to be considered sufficiently athletic?
Jump from his own FT line.

[lilderrickrose]

I am curious on what Brandon Jennings will test in the Pre Draft Max Vertical. He could relive Nate Robinson/Michael Jordan/Vince Carters 43.5 in vertical.

[lilderrickrose]

What exacty does a point guard have to be able to do to be considered sufficiently athletic?

Be able to throw it down easily. Rubio can barely dunk from a running start.

[Younggrease]

Be able to throw it down easily. Rubio can barely dunk from a running start.

if he is dunking in games then he can more than barely dunk. You dont try stuff in professional games.

[chains5000]

Be able to throw it down easily. Rubio can barely dunk from a running start.
I can't remember seeing this guy (http://alltalksports.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/john-stockton-keeping-it-real.jpg) dunk even once. He was a scrub, I guess.

[lilderrickrose]

I can't remember seeing this guy (http://alltalksports.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/john-stockton-keeping-it-real.jpg) dunk even once. He was a scrub, I guess.

i never said he was a scrub i said he wasn't athletic enough.

[chains5000]

i never said he was a scrub i said he wasn't athletic enough.
Enough for what? Dunking? What a big deal

[lilderrickrose]

Enough for what? Dunking? What a big deal

I am just saying this thread was about why do people pretend rubio is so unathletic.

because he can't throw it down that is the main reason IMO.

[KeylessEntry]

This guy would have never won his MVP's without his earth shattering dunks

http://www.steve-nash.net/images/steve2.jpg

[chains5000]

I am just saying this thread was about why do people pretend rubio is so unathletic.

because he can't throw it down that is the main reason IMO.
The main reason for people considering him unathletic is him being a white European kid.

[lilderrickrose]

Good Night everybody and like always **** the haters.

[KeylessEntry]

Dont get yourself banned for posting retarded pictures RonySeikaly. You are one of the few gimmicks around here who is actually entertaining.

[jody]

let's be honest here, we now live in an american sports era in which any white player in football or basketball is "not athletic", "not a good athlete", and "slow", regardless of what their actual capabilities are.

it wasn't always this way. the analysts and announcers were much more fair 20 years ago, even 10 years ago. i'm in my 30s, which i'm guessing makes me pretty old here. i notice that every year, the white athletes get less and less "athletic" according to the announcers and analysts. average black players are now praised, while white players who are somewhat better are talked down.

there's nothing i can do, so i just accept this as the way it is. today, it's simply automatic for american sports casters to inform us that white athletes are unathletic. during the coverage of the olympic basketball tournament, it was like they went out of their way to remind us that any white player who was playing well was actually not a good athlete, but performed at a high level due to, well, any other reason.

average black football players in particular are routinely described as having abilities that are far beyond their actual talent level. at the NFL combine, a white player can literally test out bigger, faster, stronger, and more explosive than many black players, but his scouting report will say he "lacks speed" or "has tight hips" or "does not have ideal size" or whatever ridiculous thing it is that the white player doesn't have. even if the white player was more productive at the NCAA level, the black players, with no evidence whatsoever, automatically have "more upside" in the NFL.

[chains5000]

Dont get yourself banned for posting retarded pictures RonySeikaly. You are one of the few gimmicks around here who is actually entertaining.
34 rebounds in one game!

[joe]

let's be honest here, we now live in an american sports era in which any white player in football or basketball is "not athletic", "not a good athlete", and "slow", regardless of what their actual capabilities are.

it wasn't always this way. the analysts and announcers were much more fair 20 years ago, even 10 years ago. i'm in my 30s, which i'm guessing makes me pretty old here. i notice that every year, the white athletes get less and less "athletic" according to the announcers and analysts. average black players are now praised, while white players who are somewhat better are talked down.

there's nothing i can do, so i just accept this as the way it is. today, it's simply automatic for american sports casters to inform us that white athletes are unathletic. during the coverage of the olympic basketball tournament, it was like they went out of their way to remind us that any white player who was playing well was actually not a good athlete, but performed at a high level due to, well, any other reason.

average black football players in particular are routinely described as having abilities that are far beyond their actual talent level. at the NFL combine, a white player can literally test out bigger, faster, stronger, and more explosive than many black players, but his scouting report will say he "lacks speed" or "has tight hips" or "does not have ideal size" or whatever ridiculous thing it is that the white player doesn't have. even if the white player was more productive at the NCAA level, the black players, with no evidence whatsoever, automatically have "more upside" in the NFL.

White players are in general less athletic than black players. It's not profiling, it's fact.

Not all stereotypes are wrong.

And I doubt a scout would claim a white NFL player wasn't athletic if he truly was. Their job is to evaluate a player to assist GM's in making important franchise decisions. I'd like to see the guy willing to put his job/reputation on the line by purposely mis-identifying a players athleticism.

[Meticode]

Why do people pretend Ricky Rubio is so unathletic?

I just go by what the draft reports say. It says his athelectism is a weakness, but makes up for it in basketball IQ. :confusedshrug:

[brandonislegend]

Rubio is probly as athletic as billups.

[chains5000]

Rubio is probly as athletic as billups.
Billups is much more stronger.

[brandonislegend]

Billups is much more stronger.

I dont see how stronger has anything to do with athletic..

HIT THE WEIGHT ROOM

[godofgods]

Because he's not black, duh!

[chains5000]

I dont see how stronger has anything to do with athletic..

HIT THE WEIGHT ROOM
athletic
Adjective
1. physically fit or strong
2. of or for an athlete or athletics

[godofgods]

White players are in general less athletic than black players. It's not profiling, it's fact.

Not all stereotypes are wrong.


Blacks are stupider than whites. This is also a fact, but if you see people mentioning that, Al Sharpton would go crazy.

[Jinxed]

You guys are forgetting the SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT ATHLETIC QUALITY IN JUST ABOUT EVERY SPORT... especially basketball


COORDINATION...

Which steve Nash has in abundance. It's why he is one of the most athletic players in the NBA..who else could play professionally in two sports..right this second? Bruce Arena (coach of USA world cup soccer team) said Nash could easily play in MLS if he wanted to.

btw...In that first video..Ricky Rubio is dunking while wearing #32 about 40 seconds in. He was 15 in that video.

[joe]

Blacks are stupider than whites. This is also a fact, but if you see people mentioning that, Al Sharpton would go crazy.

It is true that black people score lower on IQ tests on average. But that's attributed to the much higher levels of poverty that they live in. On average, whites and blacks in poverty score about the same on IQ tests. And the average middle/upper class blacks score equal to their white counterparts.

There's also an argument to be made for the cultural biases on those tests.

So there.

[anthonyaccurate]

And whites are stupider than Asians, thats also a fact.
Asian americans are the highest earners as a race in america, plus they outnumber the rest of us throughout the world. Continue celebrating being smarter than blacks, but remember who your grandchildren are going to be working for....:hammertime:

[Foster5k]

Blacks are stupider than whites. This is also a fact, but if you see people mentioning that, Al Sharpton would go crazy.
:lol

False. What are your facts based on? Also, intelligence is a matter of opinion. Some people can consider you intelligent, while others think you're stupid...

Flawed logic there Mr. KKK

[stephanieg]

If it weren't for the three point line and the elimination of the hand check on the perimeter the only white people on the basketball court would be the refs.

[DoGGa]

The dude obviously has mad skills..

[Younggrease]

It is true that black people score lower on IQ tests on average. But that's attributed to the much higher levels of poverty that they live in. On average, whites and blacks in poverty score about the same on IQ tests. And the average middle/upper class blacks score equal to their white counterparts.

There's also an argument to be made for the cultural biases on those tests.

So there.

never got the point of being so attached to how one's race does on average...Worry about yourself not the average of your race.

[Jinxed]

It is true that black people score lower on IQ tests on average. But that's attributed to the much higher levels of poverty that they live in. On average, whites and blacks in poverty score about the same on IQ tests. And the average middle/upper class blacks score equal to their white counterparts.

There's also an argument to be made for the cultural biases on those tests.

So there.


Actually they don't. Upper class /middle class black and upper/middle class whites show the greatest divergence in IQ scores of any class. And Asians still score higher even if they are raised by adopted families.

I also believe that West African's do tend to have greater fast twitch muscle fibers and other abilities that help them run faster and jump higher. Which helps them in sports like basketball. They don't however have slow twich muscle fibers, and have lower aerobic capacity. Which hinders them in distance events. No West African has ever faired well in a long distance event in the Olympic Games. East Africans, however, like Kenyans are known to have long and lean bodies and are perfectly suited for distance running. But no east African has the explosive and fast twitch muscle fibers of west africans.

Whites otoh, dominate at sports that require both muscle mass and aerobic capabilities. Such as wrestling, cycling, swimming, skiing , skating and all around events like the decathlon.

Of course a lot of it is cultural as well. Communism seems to produce the best athletes. The top nation in the history of the Olympic Games is the USSR with China the new top dog on the block.

So yes, there is a stereotype with evidence that backs up that whites can't on average keep up with west africans in jumping and running ability. Just as their is evidence that blacks aren't as intelligence as whites. But these are averages...you can't judge someone based on a stereotype and you have to look deeper and see if they live up to it. Not every black person is stupid and not every white person can't jump.

Neil Degrasse Tyson being a perfect example of a very smart black person. And Joe Alexander or Victor Claver being an example of a white person who can jump pretty damn high.

[Bodhi]

Of course a lot of it is cultural as well. Communism seems to produce the best athletes. The top nation in the history of the Olympic Games is the USSR with China the new top dog on the block.

That's because they have government run Olympic programs with the goal of getting as many medals as possible. East Germany did very well at the Olympic games for the same reason. If you look at the most recent Olympic games, China won almost every competition involving obscure women's sports.

[Jinxed]

That's because they have government run Olympic programs with the goal of getting as many medals as possible. East Germany did very well at the Olympic games for the same reason. If you look at the most recent Olympic games, China won almost every competition involving obscure women's sports.

There is definitely some truth to that. A lot of it also has to do with training the kids in special communes since they are able to walk.

The USSR dominated in everything. From Track and Field to wrestling, gymnastics, boxing, hockey, weightlifting and even stole a few gold medals from the Americans in basketball.

And the rest of the winter sports...forget it.. USSR crushed.

[Jonelo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMCor5nREF8

The last game of Ricky in the play-off of the spanish league. Agains Raul Lopez (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra%C3%BAl_L%C3%B3pez), and Sergio Lull (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergio_Llull)

[Jinxed]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMCor5nREF8

The last game of Ricky in the play-off of the spanish league. Agains Raul Lopez (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra%C3%BAl_L%C3%B3pez), and Sergio Lull (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergio_Llull)


GREAT FIND!!!!!! What a pest he is on defense. Ridiculous.

[Jonelo]

And Coby Karl in the minute 4.45 ;) , the son of George Karl ;)

[Sir Charles]

In order

1. Height
2. Vertical
3. Wingspan
4. Speed
5. Weight


of importance

:applause:

That depdens on what style u play and what teamates you have around

86 Celtics

Parish a Great Leaper?
Bird a Great Leaper?
McHale a Great Leaper?
DJ a Great Leaper?
Danny Ainge a Great Leaper?
Walton a Great Leaper?

Where any of them Great Fast & Potent Players? None..
Extreamly QuicK? Maybe Danny...thats it?


Height..Yes...ONLY on the Frontline

Strength? Somewhat on the Frontline...

In the Backcourt Heigth or Strength? Not Really...

(as i say a Great Offensive, Game Creating/Passing,Rebounding and Defensive Frontline wil always WIN another Team doesn`t have those elements...but ofcourse it was a Time of Real Competitive B-Ball unlike the early 90s and 2000s)

BUT..

FUNDAMENTALS, PASSING GAME, B-BALL IQ, INTELLIGENCE AND SHOOTING % OFF THE CHARTS!


Precisely What the NBA IS MOST LACKING OFF..the Last 15 years...strangely!.....

*Those elements ar WAY MORE IMPORTANT...(KNOW HOW TO PLAY THE GAME 1st..a Dear Can Run and Jump but that doesn`t mean HE CAN PLAY!

[kumquat]

looks like he has decent height for a PG. Probably about as athletic as Nash/Miller.

The thing he has going for him is it looks like he has good co-ordination with those long chimp arms.

[Sir Charles]

It is true that black people score lower on IQ tests on average. But that's attributed to the much higher levels of poverty that they live in. On average, whites and blacks in poverty score about the same on IQ tests. And the average middle/upper class blacks score equal to their white counterparts.

There's also an argument to be made for the cultural biases on those tests.

So there.

Then again Afroamericans have hadve had 400 years of Slavery (plus More...because in Africa there was Slavery and They Picked The Strongest, Most Fertaile Slaves even before the White Man arrived to Africa) soo its more like Over 400 years) rooted in Families Undergoind Constant Excersise in the Farms, Hard Labour, Out In The Outside, Defending Terrains, Living In Nature Breathing the Sane etc instead of Sitting Down on a Desk with a Fat Belly Smocking cigarrs for 12 hours a day for 40 Years of Your Life Undergoind Mental Stress that will effect your Sleeping Patterns, Body Health, Sexual Activity etc. So This labo that has beeng going for the last 1000 has helped that sector of Africans Now African Americans..being at average Stronger than White Ameican race (Per Person). Same in Africa people have alot of physical labor because of the harsh conditions, no water, not great crop terrains etc...but

If one analyizes the same for White Europeans of the Past they where as Strong or Stronger and that would be the same for American Whites if they where forced to go under the same conditions how strong-potenet etc for Years or Years they would be...especially with American Vitamins and Natural Foods they had back then in the 17, 18t and 19th centruy at average better than the Europeans..

Wolrds Strongest Man Comeptition is Dominated by people from East and Northern Europe

Bulgarians, Latvians, Russians, Germans, Polish, Norway, Denmark, Sweden etc

Soccer is dominated by Mosty White People (Germans, Italians, English, Uruguay, Argentina, Dutch, before Poland etc...and then Black and Mullatos: Brazil, France etc It is obvious that Blacks/Mulattos have the Average Leap and Potence at a Superior Level that Whites but Whites have the Superior, Coordination, Feet Touch, Mental Capacity and Precision Under Pressure etc...

Worlds Strongest Man? Whites...

Most Olympican Athletic Whites...Black Cloose...

Basball? Whites dominated historically

Hockey? Whites

Tennis? Whites

Vale Todo? Whites

etc etc..

It all Depends on Many Cultura-Climate and Way Of Life Factores. White have Strength, Skills, Fundamentals, Sports IQ, Coordination, Mental Stability etc at Average Better than Blacks...while Blacks have the Better Agility, Potence, Quickness and 1 on 1 Games in Most Team Sports...but this is rooted in the WAYS OF LIFE OR CULTURE-CLIMATE-WARS-WAY OF LIVING etc that region wen`t through...if other races where put under those Conditions for 100s of years they would evolve similarly eliminating some of their Natural Abilities While Adding New Ones and Substracting other Natural abilities etc...

Today in basketbal...IN THE MOST UNFUNDAMENTALLY SOUND ERA EVER :rolleyes: ..WHERE B-BALL IQ, PASSING GAME, INTUITION, SKILLS (not playground 1 on 1 talent stuff) is Vastly Overlooked.

Dirk: Long Distance7`0 Shooter better than Any other 7`0 Black Shooter Player....but that WHY DOESNT THIS GET HYPED? ..because...

Simply...What is More Fun? What is More Marketeable for the Average NBA Fan (who knows less than the cultured one)?

DUNKS, JUMPS, QUICK LEAPS,...PLAYGROUND STUFF...etc.

NOT FUNDAMENTALS....

Yeah its Cool to Add some excitement and applaud the Athletic Capacity of the Athleabe but thats JUST 1 FACED OF THE GAME...OF MANY OTHERS...

So Stay of the Race Thing...That Depends on Evolution of People Moving From Different Areas, Climates, Regions, Situations of Ways of Lifes Underging For Years and Years etc etc..

Magic and Bird destroyed the Black and White Archetypes:

"There WIll Never Be a White, Slow, UnLpeaing, Akward Looking Dude to Domainte the Game? Well There Was! BIRD

"Ohh That Globe Trotter thing doesn`t Work in the NBA"...Magic Appeared and It Worked (Cousty a White Man Started, Then The Globe Trotters and Pete Evolved It to the Highest Level!: Bird influenced alot from him)

"Ohh a Slow-Not Much of a Leaper...Black Man Will Always....be Set Appart by the Stereo Typical Black Athletic Player"....Magic and put Appart all those Black Dunkers and Leapers..

:confusedshrug:

[Lakas Fan Yo]

Because he's white. The average NBA basketball fan in the US is blatantly racist against white players.

[GiveItToBurrito]

looks like he has decent height for a PG. Probably about as athletic as Nash/Miller.

The thing he has going for him is it looks like he has good co-ordination with those long chimp arms.

That's the key. The dude's arms are Barbosa-like, and he's already 6'4 or something, so even if he winds up being too slow to guard point guards, he might even be able to switch over to shooting guards. Sure, he's not particularly muscular, but he's also a guard (so muscles are less important) and 18, an age when hardly anyone is particularly muscular.

[TrueRob]

He is not athletic can't jump worth sh!t.

This is the main reason. No one would call him unathletic if he could throw it down like D-Rose. Whether or not he does it in games is irrelevant. The point is, Ricky Rubio has not shown that he can dunk like D-Rose, period. It's no coincidence that whenever someone says 'Oh, [insert player name] is SOOO athletic" the person is almost always a great dunker.

[Lakas Fan Yo]

That's the key. The dude's arms are Barbosa-like, and he's already 6'4 or something, so even if he winds up being too slow to guard point guards, he might even be able to switch over to shooting guards. Sure, he's not particularly muscular, but he's also a guard (so muscles are less important) and 18, an age when hardly anyone is particularly muscular.

Yeah. He's not even small, which is something people keep saying too "he's undersized". His official listings are 6-4 190 6-9 wingspan. Of course every damn site lists him wrong at 180 so whatever.

[TrueRob]

I don't why people are going into all this talk about mental capacity. What if I say that men are smarter than women? Sure, I could say it all I want, but I could never prove it. It's just a pointless thing to say.

[Jinxed]

I don't why people are going into all this talk about mental capacity. What if I say that men are smarter than women? Sure, I could say it all I want, but I could never prove it. It's just a pointless thing to say.

Actually this has been shown..well kind of. Men are smarter and dumber.. Men have a higher rate of genius and a higher rate of mental retardation.

[Da KO King]

Ricky Rubio is not a horrible athlete but he certainly isn't a good one either.

Rubio has little upper and lower body strength, not much in the vertical department, and his straight line speed is pretty average. However, Rubio does have excellent body control/coordination.

Considering that majority of people judge athleticism based on strength, lateral quickness, and speed it is not hard to understand why Rubio is thought of so lowly.

That is unless you're a Ricky Rubio sycophant who can't acknowledge the obvious.

[Younggrease]

Ricky Rubio is not a horrible athlete but he certainly isn't a good one either.

Rubio has little upper and lower body strength, not much in the vertical department, and his straight line speed is pretty average. However, Rubio does have excellent body control/coordination.

Considering that majority of people judge athleticism based on strength, lateral quickness, and speed it is not hard to understand why Rubio is thought of so lowly.

That is unless you're a Ricky Rubio sycophant who can't acknowledge the obvious.

so are you saying he has below average lateral movement...that is just crazy talk.

[Da KO King]

Rubio's lateral quicks are pretty average. Rubio is an elite prospect DESPITE his athelicism not because of it.