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Lebron23
05-22-2009, 11:35 PM
LeBron is the best player in the league. That shot was incredible.

rknine15
05-22-2009, 11:37 PM
Amazing shot, just amazing. Great game. Orlando should've won, oh well.

JayGuevara
05-22-2009, 11:37 PM
I wasn't gonna drink tonight, but that **** just ruined my night, and I'm bout to go crack the bottle of Jack right now. :oldlol:

strifed169
05-22-2009, 11:39 PM
Thats just amazing man, WHAT A GUY, King James ftw

Lebron23
05-22-2009, 11:40 PM
That was one of the best Buzzer Beater in NBA History. People are going to remember that play 50-100 years from now.

jn2rons
05-22-2009, 11:43 PM
<---- Seen it all now!!

Lebron "Tecmo Bowl" James is not of this Earth.
I'm finally convinced.

PG Handles
2 Guard shot
Slashes like a SF
PF on the glass

And now clutch?? :wtf:

I was telling my wife that I BET Lebron hits this shot! Who knew?
:pimp:

Micku
05-22-2009, 11:45 PM
People are going to remember this play 20-30 years from now.

Yup, but I guess it depends if they'll win this series.

nbastatus
05-22-2009, 11:45 PM
that was a great shot.
i did not expect that.

GOBB
05-22-2009, 11:45 PM
Fans prisoner of the moment hahaha Not surprising at the reaction.

bigkingsfan
05-22-2009, 11:45 PM
Le Shot

http://i44.tinypic.com/2yziidj.jpg

shlver
05-22-2009, 11:45 PM
If they could keep a 20 point lead, it wouldn't have come down to this. Anyways, beautiful clutch shot by Lebron.

The Magic Man
05-22-2009, 11:47 PM
I wasn't gonna drink tonight, but that **** just ruined my night, and I'm bout to go crack the bottle of Jack right now. :oldlol:

Indeed. It'll be Crown for me. WTF?!!!! Man, my 9 month old is in my bed sleep. I'm watching the game on mute. My head almost exploded trying to contain that emotion. Anyway, props to bron Bron. That was epic and I'm pretty sure we'll be see that for the next 10 years. Most likely tomorow with that wack a$$ Kanye sh*t playing in slow mo. Let's play "guess how many LBJ threads appear in one night".

Lebron23
05-22-2009, 11:49 PM
Jordan shot over Ehlo

LeBron shot over Hedo

JtotheIzzo
05-22-2009, 11:51 PM
we are going to see this shot in highlight reels for the next 30 years.

Hedo went from hero to Crag Ehlo in one second.

DAYUM!

KRAYZIE
05-22-2009, 11:51 PM
Oh snap, check out Big Z sprinting back in such joy.:oldlol:

BigTicket
05-22-2009, 11:54 PM
Le Shot

http://i44.tinypic.com/2yziidj.jpg

Thanks, that one I'm going to keep. Everytime someone is dumb enough to try and argue Lebron isn't clutch ....

Seriously huge shot for Lebron, might be the biggest in Cavaliers history, though of course it all depends on how the rest of the series goes. In any case I'm still buzzing after that play, ****ing inbelievable.

lilgodfather1
05-22-2009, 11:54 PM
If they could keep a 20 point lead, it wouldn't have come down to this. Anyways, beautiful clutch shot by Lebron.
Anyone else find this hilarious coming from a Lakers fan?

indy
05-22-2009, 11:57 PM
Horry's 3 in 2001
Fisher's 0.4
and now Lebron's shot

How unlucky this guy is. :eek: :eek: :eek:

100grandman
05-22-2009, 11:57 PM
Amazing. U can't stop him.:hammertime:

RocketGreatness
05-22-2009, 11:58 PM
I see some similarities, but I'm not sure which shot was harder Jordan's or LeBron's.. This one was for the ages. :pimp:

Rep me rep you. :cheers:

Fatal9
05-22-2009, 11:59 PM
Lebron ISN'T clutch though. He made one shot. He was horrible in the fourth, going 1-5 and 3 turnovers. There's a reason the Magic took the lead near the end. He was quiet in the fourth last game too, just let the Magic take over and steal a game.

Great shot, but nothing like Jordan's which was a series winner in a do or die game. If Cavs don't win this series (very likely), no one is remembering that shot (just like Kobe's against the Suns).

If one shot defines clutchness (after a horrible fourth quarter), then I guess Glen Davis is the second clutchest player in the league? :confusedshrug:

Orlando Magic
05-23-2009, 12:03 AM
Are you comparing a shot in which a player was going full speed in one direction, stops on a dime and shakes the **** out of a defender to win a game to a regular contested jumper? Really?

No, this shot will not go down to be as big as Jordan's. Jordan is Jordan.

mlh1981
05-23-2009, 12:04 AM
I missed it, due to circumstances out of my control. I missed the biggest shot ever in Cavs' history.

I need a beer.

Lebron23
05-23-2009, 12:06 AM
I missed it, due to circumstances out of my control. I missed the biggest shot ever in Cavs' history.

I need a beer.

http://i44.tinypic.com/2yziidj.jpg

mmsupra
05-23-2009, 12:07 AM
LeBron is the best player.

Clutches Player in the League.

U know U were ****tin bricks don't lie ...

GOBB
05-23-2009, 12:07 AM
MJ shot was better and more animated. This shot will be one of Bron's "highlights" but i dont get the same feel. I dont sense the Ehlo in Turk.

YoungMula
05-23-2009, 12:08 AM
Lebron ISN'T clutch though. He made one shot. He has horrible in the fourth, going 1-5 and 3 turnovers. There's a reason the Magic took the lead near the end. He was quiet in the fourth last game too, just let the Magic take over and steal a game.

Great shot, but nothing like Jordan's which was a series winner in a do or die game. If Cavs don't win this series (very likely), no one is remembering that shot (just like Kobe's against the Suns).

If one shot defines clutchness (after a horrible fourth quarter), then I guess Glen Davis is the second clutchest player in the league? :confusedshrug:

I was thinking the same thing... This is the first big shot he has hit in his career in the playoffs so let all the lebron fanatics have their night i guess.. It seems to not come around often

D.Z.W.
05-23-2009, 12:09 AM
Hedo's shot now compares to the off balance jumper Duncan hit right before Fisher's famous 0.4 game winner lol.

Kevin_Garnett_5
05-23-2009, 12:09 AM
Anyone else find this hilarious coming from a Lakers fan?:oldlol: :oldlol:

kentatm
05-23-2009, 12:09 AM
they are going to have to win the series for it to mean anything.

Micku
05-23-2009, 12:09 AM
I see some similarities, but I'm not sure which shot was harder Jordan's or LeBron's.. This one was for the ages. :pimp:

Rep me rep you. :cheers:

From what I saw, I think Jordan was harder. He had to find space, dribble a little, and take a shot at the last second.

Then again, LeBron shot is hard to do with one second left. He didn't have time to think, so he just had to shoot it up.

Y'know what, I don't know. They are both great shots. The Fisher shot was the best of them all though. The Horry shot was more dramatic.

Papaya Petee
05-23-2009, 12:09 AM
LeBron is the best player.

Clutches Player in the League.


Part 1: Agreed.

Part 2: No way

GOBB
05-23-2009, 12:10 AM
PleezeBelieve was about to cut his wrists until that shot. Imagine Clev down 0-2. You wouldnt see that kid here for awhile.

jn2rons
05-23-2009, 12:10 AM
Lebron ISN'T clutch though. He made one shot.

:lol

With :01, what could you have done... other than a finger roll on a Nerf Hoop attached to your door?

Ask Van Gundy, the Magic and about 18-19k Cav fans how they're feeling right now!!

That 1 shot swung the series. 0-2 vs 1-1. Nuff said doc.

B-Low
05-23-2009, 12:10 AM
MJ shot was better and more animated. This shot will be one of Bron's "highlights" but i dont get the same feel. I dont sense the Ehlo in Turk.

that's how i feel. shot wasn't as flashy as MJ's and there was no announcer saying anything memorable. Still an amazing shot though. I'm still gettin chills every time i see it

mlh1981
05-23-2009, 12:10 AM
I'm at my parents' for the holiday weekend. They went to bed, which is a problem because they have the only TV. It was too late to hit up a bar before the end, and I couldn't find any links, so i hit up the gamecast. I had to keep track of the biggest shot in Cavs history on a freakin GAMECAST.

TheAnchorman
05-23-2009, 12:11 AM
Are you comparing a shot in which a player was going full speed in one direction, stops on a dime and shakes the **** out of a defender to win a game to a regular contested jumper? Really?

No, this shot will not go down to be as big as Jordan's. Jordan is Jordan.
I like Jordan's shot better by a hair, but don't just tell me that was a "regular contested jumper", because doing so you make it seem like it was Lebron taking a mid-range jumper against some dude in the middle of the 2nd quarter, instead of a fade-away three pointer buzzer beater (at least TWENTY FIVE FEET from the basket) with 1 second to square up and release the shot. The shot was amazing, you can't deny it.

Duncan21formvp
05-23-2009, 12:12 AM
From what I saw, I think Jordan was harder. He had to find space, dribble a little, and take a shot at the last second.

Then again, LeBron shot is hard to do with one second left. He didn't have time to think, so he just had to shoot it up.

Y'know what, I don't know. They are both great shots. The Fisher shot was the best of them all though. The Horry shot was more dramatic.

Jordan's shot won the series.

mlh1981
05-23-2009, 12:12 AM
I was thinking the same thing... This is the first big shot he has hit in his career in the playoffs so let all the lebron fanatics have their night i guess.. It seems to not come around often

No it's not.

100grandman
05-23-2009, 12:12 AM
Has anybody else noticed Orlando getting a little cocky? I'm glad Cleveland won, and I'm glad LBJ outshined Hedo with his shot.

BigTicket
05-23-2009, 12:14 AM
Lebron ISN'T clutch though. He made one shot. He has horrible in the fourth, going 1-5 and 3 turnovers. There's a reason the Magic took the lead near the end. He was quiet in the fourth last game too, just let the Magic take over and steal a game.

Great shot, but nothing like Jordan's which was a series winner in a do or die game. If Cavs don't win this series (very likely), no one is remembering that shot (just like Kobe's against the Suns).

If one shot defines clutchness (after a horrible fourth quarter), then I guess Glen Davis is the second clutchest player in the league? :confusedshrug:

Over the past 6 years who has hit the most gamewinners in the league in the regular season ?
Who has hit the most gamewinner in the playoffs over that period ?
Who has had the best clutch stats the past two years ?

The answer to all three is the same man, and he wears the number 23.

kells333
05-23-2009, 12:14 AM
omg, ok i know its just a game and i know im just a fan (not actually playing) but i think i really hate this LeBron guy.... like i want him to lose at everything for the rest of his life... everything

TMac&Luther
05-23-2009, 12:15 AM
:oldlol:

YoungMula
05-23-2009, 12:16 AM
Clutch would be kobe last night in the last minute of the game, hitting 2 big threes & a big pull up jumper... Phil didnt give him the ball in the last possession, shame :confusedshrug: BUT nice shot tho ill give props but still def not the biggest clutch player in the league

Orlando Magic
05-23-2009, 12:16 AM
Has anybody else noticed Orlando getting a little cocky? I'm glad Cleveland won, and I'm glad LBJ outshined Hedo with his shot.

Orlando cocky? Seriously? Have you watched the Celtics or the Cavs? ****ing guys act like they just blew their load in a Victoria's Secret supermodel every time they make a ****ing basket.

STelfair31
05-23-2009, 12:17 AM
Jordan still > LeBron

Knicks101
05-23-2009, 12:18 AM
Still Kobe, possibly Travis Outlaw.

OneMoreSucka
05-23-2009, 12:18 AM
........Or Phil Jackson

Micku
05-23-2009, 12:18 AM
Jordan's shot won the series.

I know that. I was comparing the difficult of the shot, not the "meaning" of the shot. The Jordan shot was more meaningful.

Godfather
05-23-2009, 12:19 AM
Jordan still > LeBron

No **** Dumbass.

This is about LeBron...not Jordan.

Kappy
05-23-2009, 12:19 AM
Kobe!!!

hahahaha ... You guys are acting as though nobody has ever made a clutch shot before. Was it a good shot, of course .... BUT there have been many many many great clutch shots by many many many different people!! Dang, come back to reality folks!!!

Clocian-IGN
05-23-2009, 12:21 AM
Amazing Shot

Kingwillball
05-23-2009, 12:21 AM
Kobe!!!

hahahaha ... You guys are acting as though nobody has ever made a clutch shot before. Was it a good shot, of course .... BUT there have been many many many great clutch shots by many many many different people!! Dang, come back to reality folks!!!


The point can be argued sure..what is not arguable is Lebron has passed Kobe as the best all sround player in the world.

Kingwillball
05-23-2009, 12:22 AM
Kobe!!!

hahahaha ... You guys are acting as though nobody has ever made a clutch shot before. Was it a good shot, of course .... BUT there have been many many many great clutch shots by many many many different people!! Dang, come back to reality folks!!!


The point can be argued sure..what is not arguable is Lebron has passed Kobe as the best all around player in the world.

YoungMula
05-23-2009, 12:22 AM
Over the past 6 years who has hit the most gamewinners in the league in the regular season ?
Who has hit the most gamewinner in the playoffs over that period ?
Who has had the best clutch stats the past two years ?

The answer to all three is the same man, and he wears the number 23.

lol u just make that up about lebron or you talking about jordan who doesn't play... clutch stat wise lebron is the worst at making game winners & kobe is averaging the most points in the fourth quarter, it was on espn yesterday

Fatal9
05-23-2009, 12:22 AM
You do realize Lebron's play in the fourth quarter was the reason Orlando took the lead in the first place, right? He then made one of the worst defended catch-and-shoot jumpers I've ever seen in the playoffs.

JtotheIzzo
05-23-2009, 12:22 AM
people in this thread..honestly (SMH).

LeBron had ONE SECOND.

EVERYONE knew he was getting the ball.

he shot a turnaround three going away from the hoop.

but oh yeah, MJ's crossover FOUL LINE jumper was easier.

STFU, this is revisionist history at it's finest.

go to the park and tell me what is harder, a cross over foul line jumper with a 6'5" defender or a fade away three with one second to catch and release when you are going full speed in the opposite direction of the hoop with 6' 11" in your face?

plowking
05-23-2009, 12:25 AM
Incredible shot, though I love how Lebron23 and other Lebron fanboys are quick to tout it as one of the best ever...

Is it insecurity that forces you to place everything Lebron does on a scale? Just enjoy it FFS.

Shaquille O'Neal
05-23-2009, 12:25 AM
Horry's 3 in 2001
Fisher's 0.4
and now Lebron's shot

How unlucky this guy is. :eek: :eek: :eek:

Couple of things.

The Horry 3 was game 4 of the 2002 WCF.

Fisher's .04 was vs. the Spurs and LA lost that series.

Showtime
05-23-2009, 12:27 AM
You do realize Lebron's play in the fourth quarter was the reason Orlando took the lead in the first place, right? He then made one of the worst defended catch-and-shoot jumpers I've ever seen in the playoffs.
You are retarded if you think that was a poorly defended play where he was just allowed to spot up with an open look. Seriously, how you manage to operate a computer, go online, register at a site, and post here is about as amazing as that Lebron shot. In fact, the NBA should make a "where amazing happens" commercial showing you making pop tarts without reading the directions.

BigTicket
05-23-2009, 12:27 AM
lol u just make that up about lebron or you talking about jordan who doesn't play... clutch stat wise lebron is the worst at making game winners & kobe is averaging the most points in the fourth quarter, it was on espn yesterday

Oh I'm making it up huh ? Guess again:

Best clutch stats in 07-08:
http://82games.com/CSORT11.HTM

Best clutch stats in 08-09:
http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT11.HTM

Most game winning shots over the past 6 years:
http://82games.com/gamewinningshots.htm

Kingwillball
05-23-2009, 12:27 AM
Kobe is most clutch player in the league buddy


We shall C in Denve cause he will need to be for the Lakers to get at least 1.

TheAnchorman
05-23-2009, 12:29 AM
Couple of things.

The Horry 3 was game 4 of the 2002 WCF.

Fisher's .04 was vs. the Spurs and LA lost that series.
You should read a paper or somethin'. LA won that series against the Spurs.

DonDadda59
05-23-2009, 12:29 AM
Why is the MJ comparison necesary? There's been probably hundreds of game-winning shots since THE shot, so why do certain people's minds automatically go to Jordan?

Let Lebron be Lebron. The man is writing his own legacy and so far it's been extraordinary and today was just another great one for the highlight reel. Anyone who claims it was just a regular contested jumpshot either hasn't seen it or is just hating. Big props to Lebron, everyone in the room here went crazy when that went in. :cheers:

plowking
05-23-2009, 12:30 AM
Lebron is the only player to hit a gamewinner.

True story.

Meticode
05-23-2009, 12:30 AM
Delete this thread please. It belongs in the game thread. Thank you management.

TheAnchorman
05-23-2009, 12:36 AM
Lebron is the only player to hit a gamewinner.

True story.
Oh RLY?!? That's interesting! :roll:

GOBB
05-23-2009, 12:36 AM
people in this thread..honestly (SMH).

LeBron had ONE SECOND.

EVERYONE knew he was getting the ball.

he shot a turnaround three going away from the hoop.

but oh yeah, MJ's crossover FOUL LINE jumper was easier.

STFU, this is revisionist history at it's finest.

go to the park and tell me what is harder, a cross over foul line jumper with a 6'5" defender or a fade away three with one second to catch and release when you are going full speed in the opposite direction of the hoop with 6' 11" in your face?

Bron didnt turn around, he caught and shot. He had enough space where Turk couldnt even challenge the shot. Reggie Miller, KING of clutch shots even made note that wasnt very good defense. And the TNT crew hinted Bron pushed off to get that seperation but thats neither here nor there.

Also where he shot the 3 is from dead center where alot of NBA players have success from. Even Manute Bol was knocking 3's down because they were dead center to the bucket so to speak.


Great shot, but lets not make up things as if it was some incredibly difficult shot. I just dont see how it tops MJ's shot...nor the animited display after nailing it. Even Ehlo as it went in body deflates and he falls to the floor (seen at a distance as MJ celebrates).

Too cold of a highlight. IF you want to rank Brons over MJ or say it was as good? Thats fine. Not here to argue back and forth for pages because we agree to disagree. But imo this was no MJ over Ehlo. And i say that without trying to discredit or downplay what just happened. I'm only awoke because I'm still in awe.

Allstar24
05-23-2009, 12:39 AM
Lebron is the only player to hit a gamewinner.

True story.
:oldlol:

To answer the OP's question...I'm pretty sure Jerry West would stick with his original choice (Kobe).

Anyway that was a great shot by LeBron...reminded me of Kobe's shot against Detroit in 04...but if the Cavs don't win this series, everyone will forget about it so the important thing for them now is to win the series.

Kingwillball
05-23-2009, 12:39 AM
Oh I'm making it up huh ? Guess again:

Best clutch stats in 07-08:
http://82games.com/CSORT11.HTM

Best clutch stats in 08-09:
http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT11.HTM

Most game winning shots over the past 6 years:
http://82games.com/gamewinningshots.htm


Looks like U just pwnd somebody ! LOL

OneMoreSucka
05-23-2009, 12:40 AM
Why is this being compared to MJ over ehlo in the first place?.......

Completely different scenario, shot, and setting.



****ing worthless posters.

EllEffEll
05-23-2009, 12:41 AM
That shot was big, big, big on the clutch scale. Their stellar season's legacy (arguably) hung in the balance and he delivered big time. Only time will tell if that shot has as much bearing on the playoffs as it appears to have right now.

=============================

Now, here is the thing that baffles me to no end. How does Anderson Verajao manage to stay upright when Lebron and Pavlovic both slam into him during the celebration?

:hammertime: :hammertime: :hammertime: :hammertime:
=============================

Enjoy your evening Cavs fans. This is one we'll be telling the young'uns about years from now.

Kingwillball
05-23-2009, 12:41 AM
For this shot to be historical Cavs need to go on and win series and go on to win championship.

GOBB
05-23-2009, 12:41 AM
I'm at my parents' for the holiday weekend. They went to bed, which is a problem because they have the only TV. It was too late to hit up a bar before the end, and I couldn't find any links, so i hit up the gamecast. I had to keep track of the biggest shot in Cavs history on a freakin GAMECAST.

That blows mlh! :(

Knuck the Ficks
05-23-2009, 12:42 AM
First off, props to LeBron for making great shot. Hedo defended him very well but he was still able to pull it off.

But he's not even touching the ball if someone were standing more directly in front of Mo Williams. After Fisher's shot vs. the Spurs I thought this had become common knowledge.

Lebron23
05-23-2009, 12:44 AM
Oh I'm making it up huh ? Guess again:

Best clutch stats in 07-08:
http://82games.com/CSORT11.HTM

Best clutch stats in 08-09:
http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT11.HTM

Most game winning shots over the past 6 years:
http://82games.com/gamewinningshots.htm


LeClutch James.

:hammertime: :hammertime: :hammertime:

OldSchoolBBall
05-23-2009, 12:44 AM
people in this thread..honestly (SMH).

LeBron had ONE SECOND.

EVERYONE knew he was getting the ball.

he shot a turnaround three going away from the hoop.

but oh yeah, MJ's crossover FOUL LINE jumper was easier.

STFU, this is revisionist history at it's finest.

go to the park and tell me what is harder, a cross over foul line jumper with a 6'5" defender or a fade away three with one second to catch and release when you are going full speed in the opposite direction of the hoop with 6' 11" in your face?

Gotta love the agenda here. :oldlol: Somehow the 6'7" Russell becomes 6'5" and the 6'10" Turk becomes 6'11". Amazing. :oldlol: And that's not the Ehlo shot anyway.

I do agree that Lebron's was probably at least equally as difficult as the MJ on Ehlo shot (Jordan had to like triple clutch that shot and was moving sideways).

TMac&Luther
05-23-2009, 12:44 AM
Incredible shot, though I love how Lebron23 and other Lebron fanboys are quick to tout it as one of the best ever...

Is it insecurity that forces you to place everything Lebron does on a scale? Just enjoy it FFS.

With what was on the line (possibly going down 0-2 and heading on the road for 2 more games) If the Cavs win this series and LeBron leads his team to a title that shot will go down as "one of the best ever".

Cleveland is pretty much eliminated if LeBron doesn't sink that.

Kingwillball
05-23-2009, 12:48 AM
With what was on the line (possibly going down 0-2 and heading on the road for 2 more games) If the Cavs win this series and LeBron leads his team to a title that shot will go down as "one of the best ever".

Cleveland is pretty much eliminated if LeBron doesn't sink that.


I agree, I pretty much wrote the exact same thing in another thread !

Mikaiel
05-23-2009, 12:48 AM
http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/b6/fullj.cc5ac33815570d2233b7b7c5dd30cded/cc5ac33815570d2233b7b7c5dd30cded-getty-87746154ml071_orlando_magic.jpg

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/22/fullj.76164abb69524da50602ec932ce7f238/76164abb69524da50602ec932ce7f238-getty-87746154ml074_orlando_magic.jpg

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/5b/fullj.ed1f181b022441969c75b881438cb668/ed1f181b022441969c75b881438cb668-getty-87746154ml075_orlando_magic.jpg

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/93/fullj.1e9e90d5c1b0e577db1da486f4a4eb06/1e9e90d5c1b0e577db1da486f4a4eb06-getty-87746154ml073_orlando_magic.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8Ry--J8hwg

ProfessorMurder
05-23-2009, 12:49 AM
First off, props to LeBron for making great shot. Hedo defended him very well but he was still able to pull it off.

But he's not even touching the ball if someone were standing more directly in front of Mo Williams. After Fisher's shot vs. the Spurs I thought this had become common knowledge.

Were they or weren't they guarding the inbounds?

juju151111
05-23-2009, 12:51 AM
First off, props to LeBron for making great shot. Hedo defended him very well but he was still able to pull it off.

But he's not even touching the ball if someone were standing more directly in front of Mo Williams. After Fisher's shot vs. the Spurs I thought this had become common knowledge.
The polay was a lob first so he cut that off and LJ adjusted and make a great shot.

OneMoreSucka
05-23-2009, 12:51 AM
According to Lebron, the Magic had seen them use that play before against Indy and they defended it perfectly.

Micku
05-23-2009, 12:52 AM
I do agree that Lebron's was probably at least equally as difficult as the MJ on Ehlo shot (Jordan had to like triple clutch that shot and was moving sideways).

Well, I don't know. I do think MJ shot was a little harder. Michael had to create space, then dribble a little to get a better shot and shot at the FT line. I think the Jordan shot was contested better. Jordan seemed like he had to use his hangtime trick and then shoot the ball.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCJXiE2_s9M&feature=related

w00terz
05-23-2009, 12:52 AM
Hindsight is 20/20. With that said, I would have guarded the inbounds pass in this situation even though I think it's a little overrated. With one second left, altering the pass can be the difference between a win and a loss. Of course, after we saw what happened, it would have been a great idea to double up on LeBron and not allow him to get the ball.

ProfessorMurder
05-23-2009, 12:56 AM
They should've doubled LeBron. You know it's going to him, and there's only 4 guys who could shoot in the scenario. One should've stayed on Bron's side between him and the ball, and the other between Bron and the hoop.


You know... I still feel sick to my stomach after seeing him make that shot. :cry:

That could've iced the series for the Magic.

CLE[216]
05-23-2009, 12:57 AM
I really can't believe these haters. Let us have one night. Please? You do realize you're hating on CLEVELAND, right? CLEVELAND. THE MOST UNLUCKY SPORTS CITY IN THE WORLD.

OldSchoolBBall
05-23-2009, 12:57 AM
Well, I don't know. I do think MJ shot was a little harder. Michael had to create space, then dribble a little to get a better shot and shot at the FT line. I think the Jordan shot was contested better. Jordan seemed like he had to use his hangtime trick and then shoot the ball.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCJXiE2_s9M&feature=related

I'm talking about the shots themselves. Yes, Jordan had to do a lot more work to get the ball and lose his defenders and get to that spot on the floor to take the shot. Plus, like I said, he was fading sideways and had to triple cutch. So it's a harder PLAY, yes.

ConanRulesNBC
05-23-2009, 12:58 AM
Crap... I just heard about this. WTF! I still think the Magic have a chance. If they can win the next two games at Orlando the series is theirs.

SCY
05-23-2009, 01:04 AM
With 1 second left, I leave the inbounder alone and double their biggest threat. 1 second isn't enough for the inbounder to get a good shot off, and I feel pretty comfortable even if one of West/Pavlovic/Z (I think that's who was out there) get a good look.

Micku
05-23-2009, 01:04 AM
']I really can't believe these haters. Let us have one night. Please? You do realize you're hating on CLEVELAND, right? CLEVELAND. THE MOST UNLUCKY SPORTS CITY IN THE WORLD.

*laughs*

You can enjoy your night. I acknowledge the LBJ shot, and it was a great one. But...have more confidence in your team, man. If the Cavs could keep their leads, then this wouldn't really be a series.

The same goes with the Magic. They should shoot off in the first half instead screwing up.

ConanRulesNBC
05-23-2009, 01:06 AM
Anyone else think the clock didn't start as soon as LeBron touched the ball? Reminds me of Derek Fisher.

NBASTATMAN
05-23-2009, 01:11 AM
:oldlol:

To answer the OP's question...I'm pretty sure Jerry West would stick with his original choice (Kobe).

Anyway that was a great shot by LeBron...reminded me of Kobe's shot against Detroit in 04...but if the Cavs don't win this series, everyone will forget about it so the important thing for them now is to win the series.


Laker fans keep bringing up that shot.. It was only a shot that tied the game.. This one won it.. Rip defended that shot bad but still Kobe had to make it.. Props to kobe for that one... And thanks to kobe i won 5000 on that finals.. He stunk it up after that shot.. THanks kobe..

FashionIssues
05-23-2009, 01:12 AM
Anyone else think the clock didn't start as soon as LeBron touched the ball? Reminds me of Derek Fisher.
nah it started right away...

but's the cleveland timeout after hedo's shot seemed like an automatic clock stoppage to me.

Fatal9
05-23-2009, 01:14 AM
Anyone else think the clock didn't start as soon as LeBron touched the ball? Reminds me of Derek Fisher.
Definitely. Look at the second pic. The clock is at .5 remaining, which means it took Lebron .5 second to catch + release it AND the ball looks to be about 10 feet away from his hands too. I still think he got it in time though but it was much closer than it looked.

WorldWarriors
05-23-2009, 01:14 AM
Cavs were going for the lob. That's why Lewis was guarding it at that angle. I think rest happened too quickly. Lebron only broke free from Hedo just enough to get the inbound pass.

strifed169
05-23-2009, 01:17 AM
http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/5b/fullj.ed1f181b022441969c75b881438cb668/ed1f181b022441969c75b881438cb668-getty-87746154ml075_orlando_magic.jpg

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/93/fullj.1e9e90d5c1b0e577db1da486f4a4eb06/1e9e90d5c1b0e577db1da486f4a4eb06-getty-87746154ml073_orlando_magic.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8Ry--J8hwg

lol, looks like Sasha is trying to protect Lebron from a sniper :roll:

Shaquille O'Neal
05-23-2009, 01:19 AM
You should read a paper or somethin'. LA won that series against the Spurs.

I stand corrected - you're right, that was 2004. But still, Hedo wasn't in that game...

ConanRulesNBC
05-23-2009, 01:19 AM
Definitely. Look at the second pic. The clock is at .5 remaining, which means it took Lebron .5 second to catch + release it AND the ball looks to be about 10 feet away from his hands too. I still think he got it in time though but it was much closer than it looked.

Oh ok. I was just looking at the highlights on NBA.com and I paused it right when LeBron grabbed it and it looked like the clock didn't start right away when I played it.

Dave3
05-23-2009, 01:20 AM
Laker fans keep bringing up that shot.. It was only a shot that tied the game.. This one won it.. Rip defended that shot bad but still Kobe had to make it.. Props to kobe for that one... And thanks to kobe i won 5000 on that finals.. He stunk it up after that shot.. THanks kobe..
You bet 5000 dollars on the NBA finals 5 years ago??:eek: :eek:

Mikaiel
05-23-2009, 01:24 AM
Definitely. Look at the second pic. The clock is at .5 remaining, which means it took Lebron .5 second to catch + release it AND the ball looks to be about 10 feet away from his hands too. I still think he got it in time though but it was much closer than it looked.

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/f5/fullj.5a2398827495056b905fe61e4bf51157/5a2398827495056b905fe61e4bf51157-getty-87746154ml089_orlando_magic.jpg

He caught and shot the ball in 0.4 seconds, what's wrong with that ?

Look at the youtube vid. It doesn't seem the clock starts late. You're just a sad human being. You're actually trying to hate on that shot. Wow.

Dave3
05-23-2009, 01:26 AM
http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/f5/fullj.5a2398827495056b905fe61e4bf51157/5a2398827495056b905fe61e4bf51157-getty-87746154ml089_orlando_magic.jpg

He caught and shot the ball in 0.4 seconds, what's wrong with that ?

Look at the youtube vid. It doesn't seem the clock starts late. You're just a sad human being. You're actually trying to hate on that shot. Wow.
Dude, 0.4 is a VERY short time. There's no way he caught and shot that in 0.4. He deinitely got the shot off before the second yes, but NO way in 0.4 seconds. Think about how quick Fisher's shot was in order for it to be considered even close to 0.4 seconds.

NBASTATMAN
05-23-2009, 01:27 AM
I stand corrected - you're right, that was 2004. But still, Hedo wasn't in that game...

WRONG HEDO PLAYED FOR THE SPURS THAT YEAR..

NBASTATMAN
05-23-2009, 01:29 AM
You bet 5000 dollars on the NBA finals 5 years ago??:eek: :eek:
ACTUALLY GOT 5-1 ODDS .. bet a 1000 and got 5 grand.. No one believed the Pistons had a chance.. I gotta admit I was surprised myself.. Kobe got the lakers out of what they wanted to do... Thanks kobe..

Lebron23Jordan
05-23-2009, 01:30 AM
awesome shhot, lebron is a warrior i thought thats it orlando won this series but bammm LBJ won it

Dave3
05-23-2009, 01:31 AM
ACTUALLY GOT 5-1 ODDS .. bet a 1000 and got 5 grand.. No one believed the Pistons had a chance.. I gotta admit I was surprised myself.. Kobe got the lakers out of what they wanted to do... Thanks kobe..
That's still a crazy amount of money though. Good job I guess.

#1SportsFan86
05-23-2009, 01:38 AM
I'm not hating on the shot but I do find it kind of funny how much time Lebron had to rest before he took that shot, if anybody look at the replay again...the Cavs called a 20 sec timeout and then the game was stoped again because Lebron was bleeding...then the refs had to check the clock for some odd reason giving Lebron more time to rest to the point where he has enought energy to hit the game winner, I'm glad this happened on a weekend because ESPN would have spent a week talking about that shot.

Micku
05-23-2009, 01:48 AM
I'm not hating on the shot but I do find it kind of funny how much time Lebron had to rest before he took that shot, if anybody look at the replay again...the Cavs called a 20 sec timeout and then the game was stoped again because Lebron was bleeding...then the refs had to check the clock for some odd reason giving Lebron more time to rest to the point where he has enought energy to hit the game winner, I'm glad this happened on a weekend because ESPN would have spent a week talking about that shot.

It would a little annoying, but the shot was great. The thing is, the Cavs have to win the series for that shot to have more meaning.

Lebron23Jordan
05-23-2009, 01:51 AM
if lebron wouldve not made that shot cleveland wouldve been done....

Hotlantadude81
05-23-2009, 01:54 AM
That shot was the shyt. That's all that needs to be said. Orlando got owned!

nashisbest
05-23-2009, 01:56 AM
i dont understand why lebron is so prima-donna about the bleeding...

nashisbest
05-23-2009, 02:00 AM
and man, that shot reminded me of duncan's 3 last year


it hurts....

:banana:

Dave3
05-23-2009, 02:03 AM
i dont understand why lebron is so prima-donna about the bleeding...
Because you're not allowed to be on the court with any form of bleeding.

dr8ked
05-23-2009, 02:08 AM
Because you're not allowed to be on the court with any form of bleeding.


:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

OneMoreSucka
05-23-2009, 02:09 AM
I want to know how Austin Carr would've called it


DEEP IN THE Q!!! MAKE EM CRY UNCLE!!!!

lolwut
05-23-2009, 02:23 AM
A room full of 7 of us exploded when he hit that shot

Indian guy
05-23-2009, 02:25 AM
Over the past 6 years who has hit the most gamewinners in the league in the regular season ?
Who has hit the most gamewinner in the playoffs over that period ?
Who has had the best clutch stats the past two years ?

The answer to all three is the same man, and he wears the number 23.

This should've ended the thread. Best in the final 5 minutes of close games the last 2 seasons, most GWs in the regular season and now most GWs in the playoffs too. His conversion rate on GW shots in the postseason is an unreal 5-9. Yep, not clutch.

And if Cleveland wins series, this is easily one of the 5 biggest shots in league history. Down 2, season on the line, 1 second left, and he wins it with a very well contested 3 from 3 feet behind the line. A shot doesn't get bigger and more clutch than that.

bdreason
05-23-2009, 02:27 AM
Amazing shot.


That single shot saved the Cavs entire season.



Has any team every come back from being down 0-2 with HCA?

Mikaiel
05-23-2009, 02:36 AM
Has any team every come back from being down 0-2 with HCA?

Not in the Conference Finals. 3 teams came back from an 0-2 deficit, but they didn't have homecourt ('71 Bullets, '93 Bulls and '07 Cavs).

_KP_The_Familia_
05-23-2009, 02:50 AM
"When he threw it up, it was like a movie, the ball was just spinning...it was..just like...watching a REAL movie..." - Dwight Howard

http://www.apexchange.com/Content/preview/2009/20090523/04/ece88dde958349a594a760e4847de3b1.jpg

WE ARE ALL WITNESSES

Dave3
05-23-2009, 02:51 AM
:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:
What's funny?

bdreason
05-23-2009, 02:54 AM
Not in the Conference Finals. 3 teams came back from an 0-2 deficit, but they didn't have homecourt ('71 Bullets, '93 Bulls and '07 Cavs).

I didn't think so.

HCA is way different in my opinion, because you are losing the first two games at home, and then playing the next two games on the road.

I could see a team losing the first two games on the road, and then still winning the series.

oh the horror
05-23-2009, 02:57 AM
WE ARE ALL WITNESSES



I know Lebron is great, but jesus, when people keep throwing Nike slogans out there like this, it makes me want to choke them out.

nbastatus
05-23-2009, 02:58 AM
im sure he didnt mean it.

bdreason
05-23-2009, 02:58 AM
Great players typically appreciate other great players.

I wouldn't go as far as to call him a "fan" though.

No_Look604
05-23-2009, 02:58 AM
Look at the big smile on his face wtf

plowking
05-23-2009, 03:10 AM
How does that statement justify him being a fan at all?

If anything it seems that he is saying the moment was surreal and unexpected.

TryToBeUnbias
05-23-2009, 03:13 AM
im pretty sure hes thinking that is some lucky ass bullsh*t its more of a pissed of smile than anything:lol

Micku
05-23-2009, 03:14 AM
LeBron James Where Amazing Happens vid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSteJEXCdGE

br3akdwon
05-23-2009, 03:14 AM
Amazing shot.


That single shot saved the Cavs entire season.



Has any team every come back from being down 0-2 with HCA?
Mavs back in 05 I think :banana: . They faced the Rockets.

Micku
05-23-2009, 03:16 AM
Look at the big smile on his face wtf

I have no idea. I think he was thinking, "...This is a nice movie..."

bail
05-23-2009, 03:19 AM
"the shot on HEDO" lol

statman32
05-23-2009, 03:23 AM
LeBron James Where Amazing Happens vid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSteJEXCdGE
That gave me chills. I didnt have a chance to watch the game live so that was the first time I saw it. :bowdown:

flipogb
05-23-2009, 03:25 AM
Hedo's shot now compares to the off balance jumper Duncan hit right before Fisher's famous 0.4 game winner lol.
good comparison, clutch for clutch

flipogb
05-23-2009, 03:28 AM
Couple of things.

The Horry 3 was game 4 of the 2002 WCF.

Fisher's .04 was vs. the Spurs and LA lost that series.

wtf ? no they did not lose , the Lakers moved on and lost to Detroit

Malone and Payton were on the floor , lol, Payton inbounded it

plowking
05-23-2009, 03:29 AM
What were they doing with someone guarding the inbound pass? Get two players on the best player on the court.

Interstate08
05-23-2009, 03:35 AM
I was psyched for the Magic that they had come back from way behind AGAIN and looked like they were going to go up 2-0. I love their style of play, where no lead is ever safe against them because of the instant offense they can create. Not to mention they refused to fold in what has been the toughest building to play in (as a road team) this season.

But ****, give Lebron credit. That was an amazing shot! I'm still in shock that he was able to make it, under all of that pressure. Let's face it, the Cavs were looking dead in the water in this series if he had missed it. Now, who knows?

JtotheIzzo
05-23-2009, 03:54 AM
...

JtotheIzzo
05-23-2009, 03:56 AM
Why is this being compared to MJ over ehlo in the first place?.......

Completely different scenario, shot, and setting.



****ing worthless posters.


last second shot

best player in the game

game winning shot

huge consequences (yeah Chi won the series, but if Cleveland goes down 2-0 at home that is REALLY bad)

Cleveland involved



YEAH, COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
:lol

go p*ss up your back f*cktard

Simple Jack
05-23-2009, 04:24 AM
Lebron ISN'T clutch though. He made one shot. He was horrible in the fourth, going 1-5 and 3 turnovers. There's a reason the Magic took the lead near the end. He was quiet in the fourth last game too, just let the Magic take over and steal a game.

Great shot, but nothing like Jordan's which was a series winner in a do or die game. If Cavs don't win this series (very likely), no one is remembering that shot (just like Kobe's against the Suns).

If one shot defines clutchness (after a horrible fourth quarter), then I guess Glen Davis is the second clutchest player in the league? :confusedshrug:

You consistently have the worsts posts on ISH. He had 10 points last game in the 4th, and has been one of, if not THE most clutch players in the post-season as well as the regular season the past 4 years.

YAWN
05-23-2009, 04:33 AM
really good shot. cavs would of been toast if they went down 0-2.

stoked to see how the powerhouses do on the road this weekend.

RedBlackAttack
05-23-2009, 04:41 AM
Le Shot

http://i44.tinypic.com/2yziidj.jpg
Great job, as always, on the gifs. I'm sure that work will get you on the first page of Google images under 'LeBron shot' in a matter of hours. :oldlol:

Repped.

cavsfanatic
05-23-2009, 04:41 AM
I was there and omg the place went beserk. I have no voice right now cuz all the yelling. I witnessed history. Oh yea to the people saying jordans shot was better I will not disagree....BUT lebron had to catch and shoot jordan had time to actually dribble and shoot...jordans shot was in 1st round this one is conference finals....jus sayin my piece.

shaoyut
05-23-2009, 04:51 AM
Amazing shot:bowdown: :applause:

leopoldstotch
05-23-2009, 04:53 AM
some thoughts on orlando's final play (Hedo's shot from the free throw line):

1. partly blame on Cleveland. You are going to let Pavlovic guard Hedo one on one? There is a reason why Hedo has led the team in 4th quarter scoring. If cleveland had done their research, they would have put an extra man on Hedo to force another guy to shoot the ball.
2. i don't think it really matters anyways, because Hedo already penetrated in the basket, and if he didn't have a good shot, he could have either kicked it out for another 3, or dumped it inside to Howard or something.
3. Great shot by Hedo. Couldn't have asked for a better shot from him.

some thoughts on cleveland's final play (Bron's miraculous shot):

1. I agree with the above poster. lax D on the inbound passer was not good. you can have the guy play off the passer, but at least distract his view somewhat.
2. Orlando knew that ball was going to Bron. Should have put multiple guys on Bron. We all know Hedo isn't the best at "shut down" defense. :roll:
3. Great shot by Bron. Couldn't have asked for a better shot from him.
4. Hedo did the best he could on Bron. couldn't have asked for anything better to distract bron's jumper. maybe he could have jumped with him, but that would risk the foul.


The final 30 seconds of this game could have went either way. Pavlovic was really the goat of the last 30 seconds, with this foul, giving Orlando the ball with the shot clock off, and giving up the shot to Hedo. Kinda takes away his solid bench performance tonight.

YAWN
05-23-2009, 04:56 AM
I was there and omg the place went beserk. I have no voice right now cuz all the yelling. I witnessed history. Oh yea to the people saying jordans shot was better I will not disagree....BUT lebron had to catch and shoot jordan had time to actually dribble and shoot...jordans shot was in 1st round this one is conference finals....jus sayin my piece.

definitely the biggest shot in lebrons career and probably in cavs history. close to top 10 playoff game winners of all time. they need to win this series for it to be really remembered though.

i watched this at a bar and everyone was in awe of the two clutch shots at the end.

AznBBoyX
05-23-2009, 04:59 AM
Oh snap, check out Big Z sprinting back in such joy.:oldlol:

By the time he got there, the celebration was over.

Meticode
05-23-2009, 05:18 AM
I was there and omg the place went beserk. I have no voice right now cuz all the yelling. I witnessed history. Oh yea to the people saying jordans shot was better I will not disagree....BUT lebron had to catch and shoot jordan had time to actually dribble and shoot...jordans shot was in 1st round this one is conference finals....jus sayin my piece.

Fair enough. Was the crowd quiet as hell with 1.0 second left?

Meticode
05-23-2009, 05:21 AM
LeBron James Where Amazing Happens vid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSteJEXCdGE

I think he needs to slow it down a bit. It runs a bit fast compared to the other ones.

w00terz
05-23-2009, 05:33 AM
Still can't believe he made that shot...

cavsfanatic
05-23-2009, 05:40 AM
Fair enough. Was the crowd quiet as hell with 1.0 second left?hell yea lol. Can u believe some people was leaving? Freak bandwagons who have no faith missed the greatest shot in our history.

w00terz
05-23-2009, 05:43 AM
hell yea lol. Can u believe some people was leaving? Freak bandwagons who have no faith missed the greatest shot in our history.

People were actually leaving? Wow, it's fans like that that don't deserve to go to games. Then again, those are probably the same people who don't even know the Cavaliers starting five other than LeBron.

cavsfanatic
05-23-2009, 05:53 AM
People were actually leaving? Wow, it's fans like that that don't deserve to go to games. Then again, those are probably the same people who don't even know the Cavaliers starting five other than LeBron.yea I was looking like wtf? I bet they was in the elevator and heard the place erupt and was like nooo. Ha ha punks. Atleast 300 people started moving from when I was looking. I was thinking ummm we have lebron so why would u leave? U right they don't deserve to even witness (no pun intended) nba games

Diesel J
05-23-2009, 05:58 AM
This should've ended the thread. Best in the final 5 minutes of close games the last 2 seasons, most GWs in the regular season and now most GWs in the playoffs too. His conversion rate on GW shots in the postseason is an unreal 5-9. Yep, not clutch.

And if Cleveland wins series, this is easily one of the 5 biggest shots in league history. Down 2, season on the line, 1 second left, and he wins it with a very well contested 3 from 3 feet behind the line. A shot doesn't get bigger and more clutch than that.

I don't know where the myth that Lebron isn't clutch comes from. I guess the people that think Lberon isn't clutch are only talking about buzzer beaters. There is a reason the Cavs were/have been I think tops in close games over the past few seasons. Did anyone see his crunch time production on 82games? Noone comes close to producing what he produces..

http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT11.HTM

The thing about buzzer beaters is that you have to have the right amount of clock time and game score situation for the buzzer beating oppurtunity to even take place.

Foster5k
05-23-2009, 06:25 AM
omg, ok i know its just a game and i know im just a fan (not actually playing) but i think i really hate this LeBron guy.... like i want him to lose at everything for the rest of his life... everything
:lol

Looks like Lebron just gained some more haters, by making that unbelivable shot, to win game 2.

This was one of the best shots, in play-offs history.. period

If the Cavs win this series, that shot will probably rank like top 20 or probably top 10 game winning shots. Based on what it meant... Cavs going to the finals.. and if they win the finals.. that shot becomes top 5.

I bet even Micheal Jordan was like, "Damn, kid. Nice shot."

That was the shot heard around the world.

GMW
05-23-2009, 06:54 AM
That was a great shot, props to Lebron. Gonna be a great series.

artest 93
05-23-2009, 07:24 AM
I'm happy for the Cav fans at the game. That was an amazing shot.

10 more years of LeBron domination. We're lucky :pimp:

icemanfan
05-23-2009, 07:40 AM
we are going to see this shot in highlight reels for the next 30 years.

Hedo went from hero to Crag Ehlo in one second.

DAYUM!
lol................. TRUE

konex
05-23-2009, 07:58 AM
The funny thing is that if Bron hadn't made that 3, he'd have had just 4 points in the 4th qtr. The haters would have been out in FORCE :oldlol:

Also, how do the Magic not pressure the inbounds pass with ONE second left? :confusedshrug:

Great shot by Bron though. I'm a witness :bowdown:

The_Yearning
05-23-2009, 08:37 AM
LeBron is the best player in the league. That shot was incredible.

LOL with 1.0 sec left you were probably crept up in a corner scared like a little chump...he's not the best player in the league. He shot that ball hoping it was going in. Kobe or Melo would of shot that ball believing it will go in.

bagelred
05-23-2009, 08:39 AM
Oh well. So much for suspense.

DVR'd last half of game to watch this morning and quickly stumbled across this forum Then I see this first headline on the posts. Woops....oh well......

I'll watch it anyway.


BTW, it will become a legendary shot ONLY if Cavaliers win this series...not necessarily the title.

GMW
05-23-2009, 09:09 AM
BTW, it will become a legendary shot ONLY if Cavaliers win this series...not necessarily the title.
I feel like this series needs to go to 7 games, the Cavs need to win it AND they need to win the title for it to become legendary. Who will care a few years from now about a gamewinner in the Conference finals if it didn't turn out to be absolutely decisive (7 games) and/or if it wasn't for the eventual champs (Cleveland winning it)?

Foster5k
05-23-2009, 09:12 AM
I feel like this series needs to go to 7 games, the Cavs need to win it AND they need to win the title for it to become legendary. Who will care a few years from now about a gamewinner in the Conference finals if it didn't turn out to be absolutely decisive (7 games) and/or if it wasn't for the eventual champs (Cleveland winning it)?

No.. They just need to win the series.. then it's legendary. I don't think going to 7 games will decrease the meaning of the shot, if they win the series..

however.. going to 7 games .. might make it more legendary, if of course they win the 7th game..

What if... Lebron hits a game winner in game 7... :lol :lol

GMW
05-23-2009, 09:15 AM
No.. They just need to win the series.. then it's legendary. I don't think going to 7 games will decrease the meaning of the shot, if they win the series..

however.. going to 7 games .. might make it more legendary, if of course they win the 7th game..

What if... Lebron hits a game winner in game 7... :lol :lol
I was saying the shot would be better if this series went to 7 games because then it would be more crucial. Sure, if the Cavs go on to win this in 5 (not gonna happen) the shot would still be huge, but not quite as good.

dajadeed
05-23-2009, 09:40 AM
Couple of things.

The Horry 3 was game 4 of the 2002 WCF.

Fisher's .04 was vs. the Spurs and LA lost that series.

LA won that Spurs series and made it to the finals.

Y2Gezee
05-23-2009, 10:03 AM
It was an amazing shot, especially considering people already thought it was over with the Hedo shot. Me and my homeboy were looking at each other and talking about does Orlando have a chance WHEN they get to the finals or do they just matchup well with Cleveland and after that second was over we just stood silent for like 30 secs

RajonKGcelts
05-23-2009, 10:08 AM
Awesome shot by LBJ. Question though, why are people now saying turk is like mega clutch? I understand he's hit a few big shots but seriously?

AznTacoLover
05-23-2009, 10:39 AM
wow that was just amazing. lebron is hella clutch. but they gotta keep there lead, if they can't, the same thing is probably gonna happen in the next game.

DukeDelonte13
05-23-2009, 10:44 AM
Great shot by the King. Too bad my cavs blew yet another big lead. This series is downright scary.

knickscity
05-23-2009, 10:45 AM
Awesome shot by LBJ. Question though, why are people now saying turk is like mega clutch? I understand he's hit a few big shots but seriously?

He has been doing it all year. As far as players who are playing this series look at this......http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT11.HTM

Juges8932
05-23-2009, 11:12 AM
It was one Hell of a shot.

Mamba
05-23-2009, 11:24 AM
i honestly think cleveland has somewhat gotten into orlando's head with that shot.

i mean orlando is always the team that comes from behind, and ends up getting the win off there three pointers.

but after that.

orlando must be bitting shricks.

1~Gibson~1
05-23-2009, 11:32 AM
Awesome shot by LBJ. Question though, why are people now saying turk is like mega clutch? I understand he's hit a few big shots but seriously?because he is. he's not just hitting clutch shots this season, but he's hit a hand-full of clutch shots last season and this season combined, including that buzzerbeater vs. Boston in Orlando last year.

mmsupra
05-23-2009, 11:36 AM
i honestly think cleveland has somewhat gotten into orlando's head with that shot.

i mean orlando is always the team that comes from behind, and ends up getting the win off there three pointers.

but after that.

orlando must be bitting shricks.

Yea just like when Boston hit THE BUZZER beater by big baby or when we blew a 14 point lead with 8 min to go in game 5...:rolleyes:

Interstate08
05-23-2009, 11:38 AM
I'm happy for the Cav fans at the game. That was an amazing shot.

10 more years of LeBron domination. We're lucky :pimp:



Yup 10 years. But only one more year with the Cavs. New York is calling for him...

Mamba
05-23-2009, 11:42 AM
Yea just like when Boston hit THE BUZZER beater by big baby or when we blew a 14 point lead with 8 min to go in game 5...:rolleyes:
difference is cavs no they can now win in crunch time.

im expecting a big game outta mo for game 3, i just got a hunch cavs will take this in 6.

Richie2k6
05-23-2009, 11:48 AM
That was an amazing shot by James. Props to Cleveland.

mmsupra
05-23-2009, 11:51 AM
difference is cavs no they can now win in crunch time.

im expecting a big game outta mo for game 3, i just got a hunch cavs will take this in 6.

Boston could win in crunch time as well, the series is shaping up to be epic . To bad all the basterd none Magic fans got all the tickets and they want 150$ to sit all the way up top or I would go.

Mamba
05-23-2009, 12:01 PM
Boston could win in crunch time as well, the series is shaping up to be epic . To bad all the basterd none Magic fans got all the tickets and they want 150$ to sit all the way up top or I would go.
boston was injured, this is really all or nothing for the cavs, because i don't see them being as motivated next season as this one, without some changes in the lineup (e.g. a competent pf)

NoGunzJustSkillz
05-23-2009, 12:03 PM
what the fck..i got $20 on the magic to win this series....shut the tv off with 1 second left thinking the game was over. :cry:

GOBB
05-23-2009, 12:11 PM
Orlando could have won had Shard Lewis played the inbound passer much like when LAL did Denver aas Ariza stole the ball. Whoever told Shard to lay off is an idiot. Could be up 2-0 with Cavs fans in severe depression.

mmsupra
05-23-2009, 12:22 PM
what the fck..i got $20 on the magic to win this series....shut the tv off with 1 second left thinking the game was over. :cry:
:banghead: ..come on man u seriously shut the tv off

NoGunzJustSkillz
05-23-2009, 12:25 PM
:banghead: ..come on man u seriously shut the tv off

i was sleeping throughout the entire game..kept waking up...seen the game tied, surprised at that..seen turk hit the "game winner"...seen 1 second left...shut the tv off as i was already 95% asleep. i am glad i shut the tv off because i wouldnt have been able to go back to sleep lol.

cavsfanatic
05-23-2009, 12:32 PM
LOL with 1.0 sec left you were probably crept up in a corner scared like a little chump...he's not the best player in the league. He shot that ball hoping it was going in. Kobe or Melo would of shot that ball believing it will go in.lol @ you. Why didn't kobe shoot the 3 on thursday then? It was more than a second left too on thursday wasn't it? He was hoping it was going in? Look at his pose when he let it go u idiot. U. Lose ha ha

cavsfanatic
05-23-2009, 12:36 PM
Orlando could have won had Shard Lewis played the inbound passer much like when LAL did Denver aas Ariza stole the ball. Whoever told Shard to lay off is an idiot. Could be up 2-0 with Cavs fans in severe depression.they was scared of the lob and that's what I think they were gonna do but mo couldn't pass it over shard.

Vragrant
05-23-2009, 12:41 PM
Jordan shot over Ehlo

LeBron shot over Hedo

Um..no comparison between the two at all.

Jordan over Ehlo knocked the higher seeded Cavs that year out of the playoffs.

Lebron over Hedo tied the series 1-1 to avoid going down 0-2.

Big shot by Lebron though.

bagelred
05-23-2009, 12:47 PM
i was sleeping throughout the entire game..kept waking up...seen the game tied, surprised at that..seen turk hit the "game winner"...seen 1 second left...shut the tv off as i was already 95% asleep. i am glad i shut the tv off because i wouldnt have been able to go back to sleep lol.

Do you read 1500 page novels and don't read the last 50 pages? "Eh....I know how it'll end......"

NoGunzJustSkillz
05-23-2009, 12:51 PM
Do you read 1500 page novels and don't read the last 50 pages? "Eh....I know how it'll end......"

like i said if i seen that shot go in and the cavs win, i wouldnt have been able to go rite back to sleep. magic were up by 2, i was happy...2 more games to $100, perfect time to call it a night. woke up today and i got the news. dont even wanna see the shot to be honest with you. if your a cavs fan, congrats.

plowking
05-23-2009, 12:53 PM
Anyone know what the ratings were for these first two games?

Should be interesting to see whether or not the ratings go up for next game.

GOBB
05-23-2009, 12:53 PM
they was scared of the lob and that's what I think they were gonna do but mo couldn't pass it over shard.

I dont know Shard is tall with long arms he could have pressured Mo and made Mo throw a difficult pass whereas fading off of him he had the chance to kick it to Bron. I'd take my chances over the lob than giving Bron an open look. Chance to catch and shoot.

YoungMula
05-23-2009, 01:21 PM
i think lebron was even surprised it went in lol

Maniak
05-23-2009, 01:23 PM
It was a SICK shot. I yelled when I saw it go in, Im still playing it back in my head, Im so happy I witnessed it :bowdown:

LeBron is amazing.

Indian guy
05-23-2009, 01:44 PM
i think lebron was even surprised it went in lol

Look at his follow through and body language right after the release...he knew it was good. And once that feeling was confirmed...he had every reason to go nuts. That was one of the biggest shots ever.

The_Yearning
05-23-2009, 02:02 PM
lol @ you. Why didn't kobe shoot the 3 on thursday then? It was more than a second left too on thursday wasn't it? He was hoping it was going in? Look at his pose when he let it go u idiot. U. Lose ha ha

No.

Im laughing though. Kobe is a chump for not demanding the ball. Tell me how Cleveland are going to win in Orlando if they can't even sustain the magic on their home floor? best home team? play again turd.

canadianballer
05-23-2009, 02:04 PM
People were actually leaving? Wow, it's fans like that that don't deserve to go to games. Then again, those are probably the same people who don't even know the Cavaliers starting five other than LeBron.
Love morons like you who think they have a right to judge who deserves and who doesnt deserve to go to games

GOBB
05-23-2009, 02:12 PM
I'm an unhappy kid who hates his mother because she is selfish. Only thinks of her self. What about me? I have wants, needs. I'd like a lil huggin. :cry:

:applause:

halffttime
05-23-2009, 04:26 PM
hahaha jameer nelson smiling again after a buzzer beater by the opposing team.. such a happy guy :oldlol: :lol

strifed169
05-23-2009, 05:14 PM
How do you konw Jameer was smiling again?

canadianballer
05-23-2009, 05:40 PM
:applause:
wtf ? :roll: :roll: dude i would loev to fight u in real life and shut you up cause u honestly write the dumbest stuff ive ever esen in my life ? im on ish like 20 minutes a day lmao:roll:

RobertSwift31
05-23-2009, 06:12 PM
I was thinking the same thing... This is the first big shot he has hit in his career in the playoffs so let all the lebron fanatics have their night i guess.. It seems to not come around often
haha good one man

CLE[216]
05-23-2009, 06:16 PM
How do you konw Jameer was smiling again?

Maybe because the guy has eyeballs? Yes, Nelson was smiling after the shot went in.. I DVR'd the game and have watched the shot about five times today.

phoenix18
05-23-2009, 06:20 PM
Jameer Nelson is the Anti-Kendrick Perkins.

gxL
05-23-2009, 06:32 PM
Yup, but I guess it depends if they'll win this series.
they lost the series and look we still remember
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ac4HOTcbf2o

SCREWstonRockets
05-23-2009, 06:39 PM
Anyone have the video clip of the reaction of a Cleveland News show? It was hilarious. They showed it on SportsCenter.

cavsfanatic
05-23-2009, 06:49 PM
No.

Im laughing though. Kobe is a chump for not demanding the ball. Tell me how Cleveland are going to win in Orlando if they can't even sustain the magic on their home floor? best home team? play again turd.magic play good on road and home check their record for each. its a game of adjustments we jus gotta clean up a few things. victory

cavsfanatic
05-23-2009, 06:52 PM
Oh yea lol @ people saying that's lebrons first big shot in his playoff career. Ask the wizards how many times he's made gw shots against them

InspiredLebowski
05-23-2009, 06:53 PM
Um..no comparison between the two at all.

Jordan over Ehlo knocked the higher seeded Cavs that year out of the playoffs.

Lebron over Hedo tied the series 1-1 to avoid going down 0-2.

Big shot by Lebron though.

Thank you, it was an outstanding shot, but let's not get crazy here.

cavsfanatic
05-23-2009, 06:56 PM
Anyone have the video clip of the reaction of a Cleveland News show? It was hilarious. They showed it on SportsCenter.yea I jus seen that ****. I'm never watching that's news again. Old punk a$$ leon gibbs talking bout its always next year. Dude was like cavs win! Lol @ shawn merrimans twitter. People wanna hate on bron and say espn the only one that hypes him but all those people that twittered it shows bron is must see tv

danumber88
05-23-2009, 06:57 PM
Jameer Nelson is the Anti-Kendrick Perkins.

its because perkins has one testicle.

cavsfanatic
05-23-2009, 07:14 PM
Easter conference finals > first round

Indian guy
05-23-2009, 07:20 PM
Anyone have the video clip of the reaction of a Cleveland News show? It was hilarious. They showed it on SportsCenter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvTsT_zPGm4

oh the horror
05-23-2009, 07:23 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvTsT_zPGm4


lol ! ooooh man, that was awesome.

32jazz
05-23-2009, 07:23 PM
Anyone have the video clip of the reaction of a Cleveland News show? It was hilarious. They showed it on SportsCenter.

Yeah the guy nearly gave the blonde a heart attack with his reaction. I was just like them & thought the game was over. :confusedshrug:
I used to hate the NBA rule that advances the ball to midcourt after a TO,but I can see why the NBA does it now.

Hopefully people will stop saying Lebron is not clutch. The guy has basically delivered all of his career.


This shot will drop in importance in my opinion IF the Cavs lose the series, but the League & media will hype it to no end.

bagelred
05-23-2009, 07:23 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvTsT_zPGm4

LMAO...OMG.

Best part is guy jumping up in background at :49.

oh the horror
05-23-2009, 07:28 PM
This shot will drop in importance in my opinion IF the Cavs lose the series, but the League & media will hype it to no end.


Dude if they lose the series, the shot would be more than forgotten.


But essentially these types of plays generally shift entire series'


I wouldnt be surprised if Cleveland dominates the next game. Orlando has to show some toughness after a rough loss like that.

Y2Gezee
05-23-2009, 08:13 PM
ESPN is ****ing going nuts overrating this shot.

Huge shot, but come on. They're sitting around breaking it down technically like it was the most difficult shot ever made. And that was Baseball Tonights Tim Kurkjian. It was cold blooded, there was only a second left, but it was a normal jumper in rhythm with as good a look as you could ask for in that situation.

IF the Cavs win this series, and that's a big IF, I can see it being one of the bigger shots in CF history, but they're already arguing that it is, if not playoff history

Fatal9
05-23-2009, 08:35 PM
Don't remember this type of coverage when Kobe hit TWO buzzer beaters to beat the Suns three years ago. This is getting to be a bit much, only so many times you can watch the same play over and over again. Can we wait till the series is over before comparing it to other of the greatest shots (lol at comparing it to the shot)? It's not going to mean much if they lose, especially if Lebron keeps playing the way he has in the fourth quarter.

YoungMula
05-23-2009, 08:38 PM
[QUOTE=BigTicket]Oh I'm making it up huh ? Guess again:

Best clutch stats in 07-08:
82games.com

Best clutch stats in 08-09:
82games.com

Most game winning shots over the past 6 years:
82games.com[QUOTE=BigTicket]


Yea who knows how factual those stats are... Ill listen to espn though, lebrons first game winning buzzer beater winner was at the end of jan 09 when they played the warriors, yesterday was his first in the playoffs... Kobe is the most fundamentally sound player to ever play the game, ill still take him in clutch situations... Im sure you prolly get off to espn now cause they OVERHYPE that dudes shot more then anyone. It didn't even decide the series like MJ shot did against the cavs! That shot will mean nothing if they lose the series.

Lebron23
05-23-2009, 08:43 PM
Don't remember this type of coverage when Kobe hit TWO buzzer beaters to beat the Suns three years ago. This is getting to be a bit much, only so many times you can watch the same play over and over again. Can we wait till the series is over before comparing it to other of the greatest shots (lol at comparing it to the shot)? It's not going to mean much if they lose, especially if Lebron keeps playing the way he has in the fourth quarter.


But the Main Difference is the Suns are the one of worst defensive teams in the NBA while the Orlando Magic are the 2nd best defensive team in the NBA, and this is the same team that Swept the Lakers, Celtics and Spurs in the Regular Season.


By the way Go Denver Nuggets. It's time to send the Lakers back to Earth.

GOBB
05-23-2009, 08:48 PM
Lebron is replacing Kobe on the hype train. Choo Choo all aboard Lame Express!

YoungMula
05-23-2009, 09:46 PM
But the Main Difference is the Suns are the one of worst defensive teams in the NBA while the Orlando Magic are the 2nd best defensive team in the NBA, and this is the same team that Swept the Lakers, Celtics and Spurs in the Regular Season.


By the way Go Denver Nuggets. It's time to send the Lakers back to Earth.


lol that has nothing to do with the difference in the last shot? Kobe had a fade away jumpshot over a double team (bell & diaw) hand in his face.. It was just better offence then defense, your saying the magic played perfect defense on that lebron shot?!? I dont think the magic gave lebron enough credit or respect to make that shot, single coverage & turk played D to made sure the lob wasn't there...
LOL wounder why u want the nuggets to win?

Lebron23
05-23-2009, 09:50 PM
lol that has nothing to do with the difference in the last shot? Kobe had a fade away jumpshot over a double team (bell & diaw) hand in his face.. It was just better offence then defense, your saying the magic played perfect defense on that lebron shot?!? I dont think the magic gave lebron enough credit or respect to make that shot, single coverage & turk played D to made sure the lob wasn't there...
LOL wounder why u want the nuggets to win?


I want the Nuggets to win because Kobe fans are the most annoying trolls on ISH.

He was already proclaimed as the best player in the league even though he never won the NBA Finals MVP, and they always posts some garbage in our Game Threads.

And that LeBron shot was amazing because made a great decision of hitting the shot instead of passing the ball to his teammates.

STelfair31
05-23-2009, 09:51 PM
Orlando cocky? Seriously? Have you watched the Celtics or the Cavs? ****ing guys act like they just blew their load in a Victoria's Secret supermodel every time they make a ****ing basket.



hahaha :roll: :roll:

that deserves rep haha

Lebron23
05-23-2009, 09:52 PM
hahaha :roll: :roll:

that deserves rep haha


F*ck you Bandwagoner. Back in '07 you were supporting the Cavs.

Diesel J
05-23-2009, 09:56 PM
Yea who knows how factual those stats are... Ill listen to espn though, lebrons first game winner was at the end of jan 09 when they played the warriors

Right...that's why I easily find this game winner from way back in 2006:violin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3Bl2MvTsHs&feature=related





, yesterday was his first in the playoffs...

Did you even read the link from above?:oldlol:

http://www.82games.com/gamewinningshots.htm




Kobe is the most fundamentally sound player to ever play the game, ill still take him in clutch situations... Im sure you prolly get off to espn now cause they OVERHYPE that dudes shot more then anyone. It didn't even decide the series like MJ shot did against the cavs! That shot will mean nothing if they lose the series.

I know you're a mad Kobe stan but you boy Kobe isn't that clutch for the amount of attempts he's had. What's Kobe's conversion rate again? Who cares how many clutch shots you make if you miss the majority of them? It's like the chucking scorers that score alot with low FG%'s:roll:

Here goes something for you to digest:D

2005-2006


Kobe Bryant meanwhile has indeed had seven such made shots over the past three seasons (including playoffs), but at a pretty low conversion rate, even factoring in his free throws.

The other thing with Kobe and a number of go-to guys is that they are not looking to pass the ball! Zero assists in these "final possession" states for Bryant with 32 shots taken (the most for any player with zero assists) says something.

http://82games.com/random12.htm

^^ You know what that basically says about Kobe? 32 shots taken in the clutch with zero ast? SELFISH CHUCKER ALERT!!!. KObe, you don't always have to play hero and make the shot..learn to make plays for others!


.
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Lebron > Kobe

Best clutch stats in 07-08:

http://82games.com/CSORT11.HTM

Lebron > Kobe

Sortable NBA Player "Super Clutch" Stats for 2007

http://www.82games.com/SCSORT11.HTM

Lebron > Kobe

Best clutch stats in 08-09:

Lebron > KObe

http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT11.HTM

Lerbon > KObe

Most game winning shots over the past 6 years:
http://82games.com/gamewinningshots.htm

.
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Statistically, LeBron was actually the best crunch time player in the league last season: http://www.82games.com/CSORT11.HTM. Led the league in 4th qtr ppg too. Cleveland in 06-07 and 07-08 had the best close-game record in the league(games decided by 3 or less points). And led the league in 4th qtr comebacks last season(W after trailing at the end of 3rd qtr). LeBron shot 80% from the FT line in crunch time last season, up 9% from his actual regular season average. [/url].

And I'm assuming this moronic thread was created due to Cleveland's loss tonight. LeBron scored 14 4th qtrs points in tonight's game.

So basically KObe has a clow conversion rate on game winners, he doesn't pass in the clutch as you can by him only having 1 game winning ast and he doesn't make big defensive plays in the clutch.

Look at Kobes defense in the clutch this year


Blks 0.0
Stls 1.0

http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT11.HTM

Lebron was avg a triple double in the clutch with 1.7 Blks and 3.5 stls

Kobe does one thing and one thing only and that's SHOOT.:violin:

Floppy
05-23-2009, 10:01 PM
Kobe is the most fundamentally sound player to ever play the game

No he's not. Stop quoting these idiots.

PS: this shot is way overrated :banghead:

Foster5k
05-23-2009, 10:06 PM
shot is way overrated :banghead:

Not if they go on to win the series and especially not if they go on to win the finals.

Lebron23
05-23-2009, 10:15 PM
Right...that's why I easily find this game winner from way back in 2006:violin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3Bl2MvTsHs&feature=related






Did you even read the link from above?:oldlol:

http://www.82games.com/gamewinningshots.htm



I know you're a mad Kobe stan but you boy Kobe isn't that clutch for the amount of attempts he's had. What's Kobe's conversion rate again? Who cares how many clutch shots you make if you miss the majority of them? It's like the chucking scorers that score alot with low FG%'s:roll:

Here goes something for you to digest:D

2005-2006



http://82games.com/random12.htm

^^ You know what that basically says about Kobe? 32 shots taken in the clutch with zero ast? SELFISH CHUCKER ALERT!!!. KObe, you don't always have to play hero and make the shot..learn to make plays for others!


.
.


Lebron > Kobe

Best clutch stats in 07-08:

http://82games.com/CSORT11.HTM

Lebron > Kobe

Sortable NBA Player "Super Clutch" Stats for 2007

http://www.82games.com/SCSORT11.HTM

Lebron > Kobe

Best clutch stats in 08-09:

Lebron > KObe

http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT11.HTM

Lerbon > KObe

Most game winning shots over the past 6 years:
http://82games.com/gamewinningshots.htm

.
.



So basically KObe has a clow conversion rate on game winners, he doesn't pass in the clutch as you can by him only having 1 game winning ast and he doesn't make big defensive plays in the clutch.

Look at Kobes defense in the clutch this year


Blks 0.0
Stls 1.0

http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT11.HTM

Lebron was avg a triple double in the clutch with 1.7 Blks and 3.5 stls

Kobe does one thing and one thing only and that's SHOOT.:violin:


/END THREAD

RedBlackAttack
05-23-2009, 10:17 PM
PS: this shot is way overrated :banghead:
How is it overrated? Explain yourself or GTFO.

Floppy
05-23-2009, 10:19 PM
How is it overrated? Explain yourself or GTFO.

It's overrated as in it doesn't deserve the retarded amount of hype it gets. If Lewis would've made the same shot nobody would care after a day.

RedBlackAttack
05-23-2009, 10:21 PM
Lebron is replacing Kobe on the hype train. Choo Choo all aboard Lame Express!
Don't go to the Dark Side, GOBB. A buzzer-beating 23-footer with only 1 second to collect and shoot and the series basically on the line... it is almost impossible to overrate that. Unless you can explain yourself... I'm waiting.

YoungMula
05-23-2009, 10:23 PM
I want the Nuggets to win because Kobe fans are the most annoying trolls on ISH.

He was already proclaimed as the best player in the league even though he never won the NBA Finals MVP, and they always posts some garbage in our Game Threads.

And that LeBron shot was amazing because made a great decision of hitting the shot instead of passing the ball to his teammates.


Eh then your too sensitive to what ppl say, you just ignore it... But kobe has played like a finals mvp in one of those final series IMO (forget what year), hes the most fundamentally sound player to ever play the game (doug collins & others have said it).. Kobe has earned his spot as the best player, finals mvp doesn't have much to do with that, he will win it if he gets another championship, good vid to watch youtube "comments on kobe bryant" every player & coach respects his game most.

lebron has never won finals mvp nether so I guess wade is the best player in the league thus far if what you say is true

Ill say this again if lebron wants to be one of the greats like MJ & KB then he has to hit these types of shots in the playoffs when it matters the most.

Dave3
05-23-2009, 10:23 PM
lol that has nothing to do with the difference in the last shot? Kobe had a fade away jumpshot over a double team (bell & diaw) hand in his face.. It was just better offence then defense, your saying the magic played perfect defense on that lebron shot?!? I dont think the magic gave lebron enough credit or respect to make that shot, single coverage & turk played D to made sure the lob wasn't there...
LOL wounder why u want the nuggets to win?
ESPN never said it was his first gamewinner. It's the first game winner BUZZERBEATER, but he has had many gamewinners before.

RedBlackAttack
05-23-2009, 10:24 PM
It's overrated as in it doesn't deserve the retarded amount of hype it gets. If Lewis would've made the same shot nobody would care after a day.
I disagree that any 23-footer with one second remaining and the hopes of a championship nearly down the drain would be 'forgotten' if it were any other player. In fact, tell me the last shot on a conference finals or finals stage that was 'more clutch' than that... And by that, I mean taking into account the importance of the game, the distance, the time he had to shoot, etc.

I'm waiting... If you can't come up with an acceptable answer, your argument is null and void.

Lebron23
05-23-2009, 10:24 PM
It's overrated as in it doesn't deserve the retarded amount of hype it gets. If Lewis would've made the same shot nobody would care after a day.


If Lewis would've made the shot many idiots would start a thread saying that he's more clutch than LeBron.


And it's one of the most difficult shot in the playoffs because LeBron's able to beat the Buzzer with 1 secs remaining in the shot clock.

YoungMula
05-23-2009, 10:26 PM
ESPN never said it was his first gamewinner. It's the first game winner BUZZERBEATER, but he has had many gamewinners before.

yea thats what I meant my bad

RedBlackAttack
05-23-2009, 10:26 PM
Ill say this again if lebron wants to be one of the greats like MJ & KB then he has to hit these types of shots in the playoffs when it matters the most.
:oldlol:

MJ & KB, eh? So, KB is on that level? His game-winner against the Suns were in the first round. When is the last time he hit a buzzer-beating game-winner in the conference finals or NBA finals?

Floppy
05-23-2009, 10:29 PM
Keep hyping I rest my case. It's not like you're gonna change your mind and neither am I.

RedBlackAttack
05-23-2009, 10:31 PM
Keep hyping I rest my case. It's not like you're gonna change your mind and neither am I.
I just simply asked you to name the last time a shot as clutch as this on this kind of stage happened. If it is being 'over-hyped,' then I would assume that this is something that happens all the time. If you can't name one single example in recent years of such a shot, you have no argument.

It isn't about 'changing your mind.' It is about you being unable to backup your argument with substantial facts.

GOBB
05-23-2009, 10:36 PM
Don't go to the Dark Side, GOBB. A buzzer-beating 23-footer with only 1 second to collect and shoot and the series basically on the line... it is almost impossible to overrate that. Unless you can explain yourself... I'm waiting.

He was wide open to collect and shoot. Terrible defense by Orlando. Shard and Pietrus dropped the ball there. And its being overrated constantly slammed down our throats, having clutch shot comparisons where Clevland can still lose this series. He didnt exactly advance the Cavs or save the series as if Orlando was up 3gms already.

Great shot but enough with the constant coverage of it. Bron is being celebrated as saving the Cavs season with that shot but no one is talkin about how the Cavs overall performance vs Orlando would have one wonder how they win on the road vs them if they cant take care of business at home.


ESPN is ****ing going nuts overrating this shot.

Huge shot, but come on. They're sitting around breaking it down technically like it was the most difficult shot ever made. And that was Baseball Tonights Tim Kurkjian. It was cold blooded, there was only a second left, but it was a normal jumper in rhythm with as good a look as you could ask for in that situation.

IF the Cavs win this series, and that's a big IF, I can see it being one of the bigger shots in CF history, but they're already arguing that it is, if not playoff history

This is why its being overrated which prompted my comment

YoungMula
05-23-2009, 10:38 PM
:oldlol:

MJ & KB, eh? So, KB is on that level? His game-winner against the Suns were in the first round. When is the last time he hit a buzzer-beating game-winner in the conference finals or NBA finals?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDWru_YjLLg

It doesn't have to be a game winner... What did lebron do exactly last time he went to the finals? It was a sweep if I remember right

& also kobe is averaging the most points in the fourth quarter out of anyone thus far in the playoffs, basically winning game 1 & bringing the lakers back with 2 big threes & a pull up jumper to tie the game... Unfortunately they ran the play for fish, shame

RedBlackAttack
05-23-2009, 10:47 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDWru_YjLLg

It doesn't have to be a game winner... What did lebron do exactly last time he went to the finals? It was a sweep if I remember right
It doesn't have to be a game-winner? :oldlol:

So, if Jordan's shot over Ehlo had simply tied the game and sent it into overtime, it would have still been the signature moment of his career? Nope. Not the same thing. Kobe also had time to come off of several screens, take a few dribbles to get his rhythm, and then fire.

LeBron's 3-pointer won the game and had to be released immediately upon the entrance pass.

You fail.

Next.

The '06 Finals have nothing to do with this conversation. We're discussing whether or not this shot is being 'overrated.' The fact that you have to resort to petty insults about what happened to the Cavs two years ago tells me that you don't have much of an argument.

YoungMula
05-23-2009, 10:57 PM
It doesn't have to be a game-winner? :oldlol:

So, if Jordan's shot over Ehlo had simply tied the game and sent it into overtime, it would have still been the signature moment of his career? Nope. Not the same thing. Kobe also had time to come off of several screens, take a few dribbles to get his rhythm, and then fire.

LeBron's 3-pointer won the game and had to be released immediately upon the entrance pass.

You fail.

Next.

The '06 Finals have nothing to do with this conversation. We're discussing whether or not this shot is being 'overrated.' The fact that you have to resort to petty insults about what happened to the Cavs two years ago tells me that you don't have much of an argument.

yea lebron still had room and time to square up.. Like I said the magic didnt give lebron any respect on that last single coverage play, its nothing like they do against kobe... & i wasnt talking to you with that response so go next someone else, u fail.. dumbass forum talk gestures

Floppy
05-23-2009, 10:58 PM
I just simply asked you to name the last time a shot as clutch as this on this kind of stage happened. If it is being 'over-hyped,' then I would assume that this is something that happens all the time. If you can't name one single example in recent years of such a shot, you have no argument.

It isn't about 'changing your mind.' It is about you being unable to backup your argument with substantial facts.

What you don't understand is that there is no argument. You believe that this shot deserves all the hype that's going on and I think it doesn't.

But I'll give you some "facts" anyways. It was a shot in the 2nd game of the 2nd Round. It wasn't that difficult to make but people act like it's one of the greatest shots ever.

btw,

THERE IS NOTHING CLUTCH ABOUT A CATCH AND SHOOT WITH 1 SEC LEFT ON THE CLOCK. YOU CATCH THE BALL, YOU TURN AND SHOOT. YOU DON'T SPEND A SINGLE THOUGHT AT IT. THERE IS NO TACTICS INVOLVED, NO DECISION MAKING. IT'S A ****ING DESPERATION SHOT. YOU DON'T CALL SOMEONE CLUTCH WHEN HE THROWS UP A BUZZER BEATER FROM HALF-COURT EITHER.

Maybe you can grasp this without ever having competed in sports.

cavsfanatic
05-23-2009, 11:00 PM
U guys saying its overrated fail. People who played in the nba said its a great shot.... kevin durant,dwight howard,charles barkley,kenny smith,magic johnson,kevin love,tyson chandler,lamar odom > y'all

RedBlackAttack
05-23-2009, 11:02 PM
He was wide open to collect and shoot. Terrible defense by Orlando. Shard and Pietrus dropped the ball there. And its being overrated constantly slammed down our throats, having clutch shot comparisons where Clevland can still lose this series. He didnt exactly advance the Cavs or save the series as if Orlando was up 3gms already.

Great shot but enough with the constant coverage of it. Bron is being celebrated as saving the Cavs season with that shot but no one is talkin about how the Cavs overall performance vs Orlando would have one wonder how they win on the road vs them if they cant take care of business at home.


Let's be clear about something, GOBB... That shot was epic and it isn't just because it was LeBron that pulled it off. The defense was not 'terrible.' Maybe they should have put more pressure on the in-bounds, but the Cavs have a lot of shooters and there were a lot of options on the floor. I thought Hedo did a great job of cutting off LeBron's original move and then contesting without risking a foul.

There are just times when you have to call an epic play like you see it. Maybe Kentucky should have put a guy in Grant Hill's face so that he wouldn't have had a clear line of sight to get the ball to Christian Laettner for that epic game-winner... But does that take away from the play itself or make it any less memorable? No.

Like I've said before, this shot's place in NBA lore is dependent upon how the Cavs finish this series. If they fall to the Magic, it will be just a great playoff moment. If the Cavs win the series and go on to a championship, it will be on a very short list of the greatest shots in NBA history.

I don't think that would be overrating it. Going down 0-2 and heading to Orlando would basically end any dream of a title in Cleveland. If that shot ends up changing the course of the series and, ultimately, the Cavs' playoff fate, it will be right there with the greatest shots of all-time.

I don't see how you can argue any other way.

Also, you are right... The Cavs struggled against the Magic at home. Yes... It could have been 2-0 Orlando. At the same time, it took a Lewis long 3-pointer and a Mo Williams buzzer-beater that was an inch to the right or the Cavs have a 2-0 lead right now.

Orlando has played well, but this has been a very even matchup. I expect no different in Orlando. Both the Cavs and Magic are two of the best road teams in the league.

RedBlackAttack
05-23-2009, 11:03 PM
What you don't understand is that there is no argument. You believe that this shot deserves all the hype that's going on and I think it doesn't.

But I'll give you some "facts" anyways. It was a shot in the 2nd game of the 2nd Round. It wasn't that difficult to make but people act like it's one of the greatest shots ever.

You even fail at rebutting very simple points. It wasn't the 2nd game of the 2nd round. This is the Eastern Conference Finals (ie: 3rd round). You continue to fail.

Go away.

YoungMula
05-23-2009, 11:04 PM
U guys saying its overrated fail. People who played in the nba said its a great shot.... kevin durant,dwight howard,charles barkley,kenny smith,magic johnson,kevin love,tyson chandler,lamar odom > y'all

YEAH CAUSE TWITTER IS INVENTED NOW

cavsfanatic
05-23-2009, 11:04 PM
What you don't understand is that there is no argument. You believe that this shot deserves all the hype that's going on and I think it doesn't.

But I'll give you some "facts" anyways. It was a shot in the 2nd game of the 2nd Round. It wasn't that difficult to make but people act like it's one of the greatest shots ever.

btw,

THERE IS NOTHING CLUTCH ABOUT A CATCH AND SHOOT WITH 1 SEC LEFT ON THE CLOCK. YOU CATCH THE BALL, YOU TURN AND SHOOT. YOU DON'T SPEND A SINGLE THOUGHT AT IT. THERE IS NO TACTICS INVOLVED, NO DECISION MAKING. IT'S A ****ING DESPERATION SHOT. YOU DON'T CALL SOMEONE CLUTCH WHEN HE THROWS UP A BUZZER BEATER FROM HALF-COURT EITHER.

Maybe you can grasp this without ever having competed in sports.lol at this last statement. Go practice that shot and see if u make it with nobody guarding you. You won't make it.....I play basketball and that shot is stupid dumb hard.

RedBlackAttack
05-23-2009, 11:06 PM
yea lebron still had room and time to square up.. Like I said the magic didnt give lebron any respect on that last single coverage play, nothing like they do against kobe... & i wasnt talking to you with that response so go next someone else, u fail.. dumbass forum talk gestures
You attempt to call me out for using internet jargon, but you type as though you are texting from a non-PDA phone.

Please define the word 'u'... Dumbass.

and 'you wasn't talking to me'. :oldlol: Go back to school, kid.