Marvel/DC Team Tournament Round 1

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Round 1
1. Dirtbag/Lakers31------------------> Sizz wins <---------------------------2.Sizzle
3. Quata-------------------------------> Quata wins <-----------------------4.Primetime
5. Magic Man--------------------------> Rezznor wins. <---------------------- 6.Rezznor
7.Vapid--------------------------------> Vapid wins.<----------------------8. Doomsday
9. WTFamonkey----------------------> WTF wins.<-----------10.Intrinsic/Dreamshake
11. Pete-------------------------------> Tian wins. <------------------------ 12. Tian

Round 2:

1. Rezznor vs. Tian Rezznor wins
2. Sizz vs. WTF Sizz wins
3. Quata vs. Vapid



Rules:

1. Every team is matched up with another team.
2. Every team gets one vote.
3. Ridonks is an outside judge and gets 1.5 votes
4. Each managing team/manager needs to write up a description of how they think their team will win. If they don't I will write one up, trying to be as unbiased as possible.
5. The team with most votes wins.
6. The final round is a round-robin matchup where ever team plays the other, and the team with the most wins is champion.
7. IN ROUND TWO EVERY TEAM GETS 24 HOUR PREP TIME (prep means access to resources they normally can obtain, knowledge of the enemy, time to plan a mode of attack, etc.)
8. I WILL TELL YOU WHAT THE LOCATION OF EACH BATTLE IS THIS ROUND WHEN IT STARTS.

http://www.iol.ie/~jayeffell/Images/jla_vs_aven_big.jpg

[vapid]

2nd Round 1st matchup:

Location: Savage Land

Team Rezznor

1.Magneto
2. X-man
3. Loki
4. Mongol
5. Cyclops
6. Firestorm
7. Ultron
8. Damion Hellstrom

vs.

Tian's:

1. Thor
2. Spiderman
3. Ikaris
4. Dr. Fate
5. Proteus
6. Morph
7. Saturn Girl
8. Zauriel

[DirtBag]

if we are allowed to vote for our own team, I vote for my team!

[Doomsday Dallas]

Lets start with the first match up:

1. Dirtbag/Lakers31's Team: "Take over the world and GTFO of the way" Votes:
1.Deathstroke
2.Cyborg Superman
3.Apocalypse
4. Darkseid
5. Atrocitus
6. Amazo
7. Mr. Sinister
8. Bishop

vs.

Sizzle's Team: Votes:

1. Captain Marvel
2. Wonder Woman
3. Dr. Strange
4. Silver Surfer
5.Green Arrow
6. Namor
7. Rachel Grey
8. Mr. Fantastic


My vote?

I go with 'Team Cyborg Superman' on this battle.

Namor is a good pick... and he can still survive in the water when the $hit hits the fan... But I think Cyborg Superman could find a way to win the war in the ocean.

This is a serious battle... But when it's all said and done... Cyborg Superman will get the victory.

[DirtBag]

My vote?

I go with 'Team Cyborg Superman' on this battle.

Namor is a good pick... and he can still survive in the water when the $hit hits the fan... But I think Cyborg Superman could find a way to win the war in the ocean.

This is a serious battle... But when it's all said and done... Cyborg Superman will get the victory.
:applause: an excellent choice

[vapid]

if we are allowed to vote for our own team, I vote for my team!
Can you write up something about how you think it will go? Thats what each person who's up should do.

[Quata]

So are we voting as though everyone is fighting 1v1, then once some dude wins he can help another, or fighting as a collective or what?

[DirtBag]

Round 1
1. Dirtbag/Lakers31------------------> Vs. <---------------------------2.Sizzle
3. Quata-------------------------------> Vs. <-----------------------4.Primetime
5. Magic Man--------------------------> Vs. <---------------------- 6.Rezznor
7.Vapid--------------------------------> Vs.<----------------------8. Doomsday
9. WTFamonkey----------------------> Vs.<-----------10.Intrinsic/Dreamshake
11. Pete-------------------------------> Vs. <------------------------ 12. Tian



Rules:

1. Every team is matched up with another team.
2. Every team gets one vote.
3. Ridonks is an outside judge and gets 1.5 votes
4. Each managing team/manager needs to write up a description of how they think their team will win. If they don't I will write one up, trying to be as unbiased as possible.
5. The team with most votes wins.
6. The final round is a round-robin matchup where ever team plays the other, and the team with the most wins is champion.

http://www.iol.ie/~jayeffell/Images/jla_vs_aven_big.jpg

quick question, in the above picture there is a girl right next to the flash and the green arrow. is her power the ability to have a super long arm with a hand that looks like the face of Johnny Knoxville?

[DirtBag]

Can you write up something about how you think it will go? Thats what each person who's up should do.

I can't right now, I did pm lakers13 about that though. I gotta get ready for work. should be back on in an about 2 hours though.

[vapid]

So are we voting as though everyone is fighting 1v1, then once some dude wins he can help another, or fighting as a collective or what?
Yea, let me include that in the op give me a sec.

And to dirtbag: Thats zatanna, the arm is covered by plastic man's neck.

[rezznor]

i want to hear how the gms think the fights are going to go down before i cast my vote

[oh the horror]

I think, before each team faces off...each individual should be allowed to arrange his team in an order from 1 to whatever...

One, of course being the first fighter to face off with eachother on each side..


Sooo, you arrange your teams in an order in which you think they'd be successful...


and we compare players accordingly...and head to head, who would win?


1 vs 1
2 vs 2
3 vs 3

etc....


So, in doing this, each person has to play their hands right....do not just throw ALL of your heavy hitters out there at once...

Lead off with a powerhouse...then try a crafty one...then a power house at the end...etc...

Your goal is to try to come up with an order, that can trump another player's order.




Just my two cents.

[Lakers13]

1.Deathstroke
2.Cyborg Superman
3.Apocalypse
4. Darkseid
5. Atrocitus
6. Amazo
7. Mr. Sinister
8. Bishop

vs.

1. Captain Marvel
2. Wonder Woman
3. Dr. Strange
4. Silver Surfer
5.Green Arrow
6. Namor
7. Rachel Grey
8. Mr. Fantastic


With the stage set Sinister gives out telepathic signals which sends The Cyborg head strong taking out potentially the strongest of Sizzles group, Rachel Grey. Within seconds he closes in on her squeezing her neck and pouring heat beams into her face. She is powerless against someone whos mind can not be controlled and is taken out swiftly, which scatters her teammates out with no source of communication.

With the first to fall Darkseid unleashes his Omega Beams on their next targets Mr Fantastic and Wonder Woman. Both who barely dodge these attacks but Mr Fantastic finds himself entrapped within a red ball of light, slowly closing on him until he pops, courtesy of Atrocitus. Wonder Woman then finds herself taking on Darkseid himself, in which she is no match for and finds herself bludgeoned to death.

During these skirmishes Sinister smiles and Amazo lands feet first in front of Dr Strange. At first Strange would have the upper hand, unleashing his magic upon Amazo to combat him with demons and hellfire...but within seconds Amazo has adapted to his magic and is now fighting to a stand still with strange who seems to be at a loss of words, Silver Surfer trys to back his friend up with cosmic blasts across Amazo face, seal both himself and his teammates fates as Amazo now takes on Surfers powers as well and unleashes a cosmic reign upon Strange to defeat him and uses magic that leaves Surfer powerless .


Before they know it within minutes all that is left is Namor, Captain Marvel, and Green Arrow.

Darkseid continues to unleash waves of Omega beams upon the remaining enemies, allowing Deathstroke to sniper down Green Arrow who was doing his best to avoid these attacks. Namor is then ran right into The Cyborg who unleashes his heat vision upon Namor, knocking him to En Sabah's awaiting arms, who body begins to grow and entraps him with a bear hug, squeezing the breath out of him.

Captain Marvel continues to to dodge the Omega beams the best he can, as well as Bishops energy beams but before he knows he, he finds himself turned back into his little boy human, Sinister had been focusing on Captain Marvel's mind making him call out his secret word that reverts him back to human. The little boy rubbing his eyes starting to stand up is then instantly is incinerated by one last Omega Beam before he can call out Shazaam.

Team Villain wins, Sizzles team, who are not very aggressive characters aside from Wonder Woman and Green Arrow, walk right into a buzz saw. Im sorry but half that team alone has been defeated by Darkseid by himself.. give the man some decent back up while he provides the distractions, and its over.

[tian820]

I say we find a different way to do this. Rating an 8 on 8 matchup seems hella tedious. I'm not saying I won't do it, but I'd prefer a different method if possible

[DirtBag]

1.Deathstroke
2.Cyborg Superman
3.Apocalypse
4. Darkseid
5. Atrocitus
6. Amazo
7. Mr. Sinister
8. Bishop

vs.

1. Captain Marvel
2. Wonder Woman
3. Dr. Strange
4. Silver Surfer
5.Green Arrow
6. Namor
7. Rachel Grey
8. Mr. Fantastic


With the stage set Sinister gives out telepathic signals which sends The Cyborg head strong taking out potentially the strongest of Sizzles group, Rachel Grey. Within seconds he closes in on her squeezing her neck and pouring heat beams into her face. She is powerless against someone whos mind can not be controlled and is taken out swiftly, which scatters her teammates out with no source of communication.

With the first to fall Darkseid unleashes his Omega Beams on their next targets Mr Fantastic and Wonder Woman. Both who barely dodge these attacks but Mr Fantastic finds himself entrapped within a red ball of light, slowly closing on him until he pops, courtesy of Atrocitus. Wonder Woman then finds herself taking on Darkseid himself, in which she is no match for and finds herself bludgeoned to death.

During these skirmishes Sinister smiles and Amazo lands feet first in front of Dr Strange. At first Strange would have the upper hand, unleashing his magic upon Amazo to combat him with demons and hellfire...but within seconds Amazo has adapted to his magic and is now fighting to a stand still with strange who seems to be at a loss of words, Silver Surfer trys to back his friend up with cosmic blasts across Amazo face, seal both himself and his teammates fates as Amazo now takes on Surfers powers as well and unleashes a cosmic reign upon Strange to defeat him and uses magic that leaves Surfer powerless .


Before they know it within minutes all that is left is Namor, Captain Marvel, and Green Arrow.

Darkseid continues to unleash waves of Omega beams upon the remaining enemies, allowing Deathstroke to sniper down Green Arrow who was doing his best to avoid these attacks. Namor is then ran right into The Cyborg who unleashes his heat vision upon Namor, knocking him to En Sabah's awaiting arms, who body begins to grow and entraps him with a bear hug, squeezing the breath out of him.

Captain Marvel continues to to dodge the Omega beams the best he can, as well as Bishops energy beams but before he knows he, he finds himself turned back into his little boy human, Sinister had been focusing on Captain Marvel's mind making him call out his secret word that reverts him back to human. The little boy rubbing his eyes starting to stand up is then instantly is incinerated by one last Omega Beam before he can call out Shazaam.

Team Villain wins, Sizzles team, who are not very aggressive characters aside from Wonder Woman and Green Arrow, walk right into a buzz saw. Im sorry but half that team alone has been defeated by Darkseid by himself.. give the man some decent back up while he provides the distractions, and its over.

thank you, couldn't have done better myself. Well done sir :applause:

[RidonKs]

To add a kink: Perhaps each team gets 24 hours prior to the match to build up weaponry and formulate a strategy against the opposition?

[vapid]

To add a kink: Perhaps each team gets 24 hours prior to the match to build up weaponry and formulate a strategy against the opposition?
That will be next round. This round is more of a FFA. I'm going out. If sizz doesn't write something when I'm back I'll write something for him.

[vapid]

Lets start with the first match up:

1. Dirtbag/Lakers31's Team: "Take over the world and GTFO of the way" Votes:
1.Deathstroke
2.Cyborg Superman
3.Apocalypse
4. Darkseid
5. Atrocitus
6. Amazo
7. Mr. Sinister
8. Bishop

vs.

Sizzle's Team: Votes:

1. Captain Marvel
2. Wonder Woman
3. Dr. Strange
4. Silver Surfer
5.Green Arrow
6. Namor
7. Rachel Grey
8. Mr. Fantastic

Here's how Sizz's team should win (my vote is just one vote too):

Sizz's team has 5 marvel characters, including 3 Illuminati. Namor and Mr. Fantastic know the power that Strange wields and will protect him at all costs, knowing he is probably their greatest weapon. Silver Surfer has had dealings with richards and Namor and will probably respect Mr. Fantastic's directions knowing that he has fended off Galactus. Rachel Summers will link everyone's minds. Even if Fantastic doesn't know the importance of telepathy, surely Wonder Woman will through her experiences with Martian Manhunter. Ollie and Captain Marvel are both not leaders. Ollie knows hes outclassed here, and Captain Marvel is basically a kid so they will both follow WW's directions, WW directs them to protect Rachel first.

On the other side, Dirtbag's team are mostly all evil guys, half are plotters, and half are all-out attackers. Before Sinister, Darkseid and Apoc can get a decent plan going Atrocitus, Cyborg Superman and Amazo have rushed out to attack Sizz's team. Bishop realizes he's with a bunch of a$$holes and resists Sinister's mind control for a while before finally giving in. Deathstroke slinks into the shadows, wishing he was in the city instead outside in the open field. By the time Sinister can manage a telepathic link the three first attackers have already engaged the enemy. Atrocitus can not be reached because his rage overwhelms all other emotions. Rachel I believe is also more powerful than Sinister so Sinister is not able to penetrate her defensive shields.

Atrocitus heads for what looks like the weakest target, the floating girl with no weapons. (he also hates red-heads.) However, he is met by Namor who tackles him into the nearby lake. Cyborg Superman is met by Silver Surfer and Captain Marvel, and is having a tough time handling both at the same time. Amazo meanwhile has Wonder Woman on the ropes as Ollie and Mr. Fantastic try to slow him down.

Sinister and Apoc realize things might go sour if they don't help out, and they tell Darkseid and Deathstroke to join them as they help out their fellow villains. Bishop also tags along, but is still managing to slow his own movements, rather losing then helping out his hated enemies. The two DC villains don't enjoy being bossed around, but realize the direness of the situation.

Meanwhile, SS and Marvel are standing tall, having defeated Cyborg Superman with a powerful tag team. However, before SS can give Billy a warning, Billy is obliterated by an Omega Beam to the back by Darkseid. The Surfer turns to attack Darkseid but realizes WW needs help and goes to aid WW, just saving her from being skewered by her own sword. SS blasts Amazo a few miles away while his back is turned. Amazo is not that hurt, but is out for the moment.

SS, WW, and Green Arrow turn their eyes toward the immediate threat of Darkseid, Deathstroke, Sinister, a struggling Bishop and Apocalypse. Four (and a half) extremely formidable foes indeed. However, we can't forget Sizz's most powerful member, Dr. Strange. Chanting this whole time, he throws a spell that disintegrates Sinister, who Rachel has advised as the brains of the villains' operation. Bishop is instantly free, and begins to attack Apocalypse, hoping to garner the favor of the other side. Rachel is now more free to go on the offensive, and hurls Deathstroke a thousand yards away, but not before Deathstroke throws a shuriken into strange's casting hands, causing Strange to break concentration.

Apocalypse shrugs bishop away and heads over to finish off Strange but is met by Wonder Woman, who is able to stall him but knows she is overmatched. Meanwhile, SS is busy fighting Darkseid to a standstill. Suddenly, the lake turns to red blood and Atrocitus' hand emerges...but only his dismembered hand, clutched by Namor, who casually tosses it aside, claiming that "NO ONE BEATS ME IN THE WATER." (Strange rolls his eyes.) Namor joins in the fight against the more well known opponent, Apocalypse, turning the tide of the battle.

Amazo has returned and has helped Darkseid destroy SS, but Darkseid and Amazo are both hurt, and are now up against Namor, Rachel, a wounded WW and Strange, and Ollie (who has managed to stay alive). Darkseid fires another Omega Beam to strange, but Strange is quicker, completing his spell first and Obliterating Darkseid. However, Strange can't deflect the whole blast and is taken out of the battle. Now the rest of Sizz's team is battling Amazo, who is a tough opponent. Amazo lays WW down and is about to overpower Namor, before suddenly Amazo's head is stricken clean off! Ollie had picked up WW's sword and lopped off Amazo's head, ending the battle.


Sizz's team wins mainly due to better teamwork and Strange being the most powerful guy in the matchup.

[Quata]

Its so hard to choose a winner haha. Will pick a bit later on.

[DirtBag]

Here's how Sizz's team should win (my vote is just one vote too):

Sizz's team has 5 marvel characters, including 3 Illuminati. Namor and Mr. Fantastic know the power that Strange wields and will protect him at all costs, knowing he is probably their greatest weapon. Silver Surfer has had dealings with richards and Namor and will probably respect Mr. Fantastic's directions knowing that he has fended off Galactus. Rachel Summers will link everyone's minds. Even if Fantastic doesn't know the importance of telepathy, surely Wonder Woman will through her experiences with Martian Manhunter. Ollie and Captain Marvel are both not leaders. Ollie knows hes outclassed here, and Captain Marvel is basically a kid so they will both follow WW's directions, WW directs them to protect Rachel first.

On the other side, Dirtbag's team are mostly all evil guys, half are plotters, and half are all-out attackers. Before Sinister, Darkseid and Apoc can get a decent plan going Atrocitus, Cyborg Superman and Amazo have rushed out to attack Sizz's team. Bishop realizes he's with a bunch of a$$holes and resists Sinister's mind control for a while before finally giving in. Deathstroke slinks into the shadows, wishing he was in the city instead outside in the open field. By the time Sinister can manage a telepathic link the three first attackers have already engaged the enemy. Atrocitus can not be reached because his rage overwhelms all other emotions. Rachel I believe is also more powerful than Sinister so Sinister is not able to penetrate her defensive shields.

Atrocitus heads for what looks like the weakest target, the floating girl with no weapons. (he also hates red-heads.) However, he is met by Namor who tackles him into the nearby lake. Cyborg Superman is met by Silver Surfer and Captain Marvel, and is having a tough time handling both at the same time. Amazo meanwhile has Wonder Woman on the ropes as Ollie and Mr. Fantastic try to slow him down.

Sinister and Apoc realize things might go sour if they don't help out, and they tell Darkseid and Deathstroke to join them as they help out their fellow villains. Bishop also tags along, but is still managing to slow his own movements, rather losing then helping out his hated enemies. The two DC villains don't enjoy being bossed around, but realize the direness of the situation.

Meanwhile, SS and Marvel are standing tall, having defeated Cyborg Superman with a powerful tag team. However, before SS can give Billy a warning, Billy is obliterated by an Omega Beam to the back by Darkseid. The Surfer turns to attack Darkseid but realizes WW needs help and goes to aid WW, just saving her from being skewered by her own sword. SS blasts Amazo a few miles away while his back is turned. Amazo is not that hurt, but is out for the moment.

SS, WW, and Green Arrow turn their eyes toward the immediate threat of Darkseid, Deathstroke, Sinister, a struggling Bishop and Apocalypse. Four (and a half) extremely formidable foes indeed. However, we can't forget Sizz's most powerful member, Dr. Strange. Chanting this whole time, he throws a spell that disintegrates Sinister, who Rachel has advised as the brains of the villains' operation. Bishop is instantly free, and begins to attack Apocalypse, hoping to garner the favor of the other side. Rachel is now more free to go on the offensive, and hurls Deathstroke a thousand yards away, but not before Deathstroke throws a shuriken into strange's casting hands, causing Strange to break concentration.

Apocalypse shrugs bishop away and heads over to finish off Strange but is met by Wonder Woman, who is able to stall him but knows she is overmatched. Meanwhile, SS is busy fighting Darkseid to a standstill. Suddenly, the lake turns to red blood and Atrocitus' hand emerges...but only his dismembered hand, clutched by Namor, who casually tosses it aside, claiming that "NO ONE BEATS ME IN THE WATER." (Strange rolls his eyes.) Namor joins in the fight against the more well known opponent, Apocalypse, turning the tide of the battle.

Amazo has returned and has helped Darkseid destroy SS, but Darkseid and Amazo are both hurt, and are now up against Namor, Rachel, a wounded WW and Strange, and Ollie (who has managed to stay alive). Darkseid fires another Omega Beam to strange, but Strange is quicker, completing his spell first and Obliterating Darkseid. However, Strange can't deflect the whole blast and is taken out of the battle. Now the rest of Sizz's team is battling Amazo, who is a tough opponent. Amazo lays WW down and is about to overpower Namor, before suddenly Amazo's head is stricken clean off! Ollie had picked up WW's sword and lopped off Amazo's head, ending the battle.


Sizz's team wins mainly due to better teamwork and Strange being the most powerful guy in the matchup.

BOO! go back and read Lakers13's description of how it would go down and come back with a better answer!

[vapid]

Bump. We need more votes.

[RidonKs]

I hope to get to this tomorrow night.

[pete's montreux]

I'm waiting for someone to do my collage, then I'll do my write up.

[dab0yech0]

Can Dirtbag/Lakers31 team lose? Darkseid, Apocalypse, Mr Sinister trio would take out half these teams. That teams just stacked.

[DirtBag]

Can Dirtbag/Lakers31 team lose? Darkseid, Apocalypse, Mr Sinister trio would take out half these teams. That teams just stacked.
QFT

[GUUS]

I vote for the team with Batman, GOAT superhero

[RidonKs]

Can Dirtbag/Lakers31 team lose? Darkseid, Apocalypse, Mr Sinister trio would take out half these teams. That teams just stacked.
Strange > Darkseid
Surfer > Apoc
Marvel > Sinister

Just sayin

[RidonKs]

1. Dirtbag/Lakers31's Team: "Take over the world and GTFO of the way" Votes:
1.Deathstroke
2.Cyborg Superman
3.Apocalypse
4. Darkseid
5. Atrocitus
6. Amazo
7. Mr. Sinister
8. Bishop

vs.

Sizzle's Team: Votes:

1. Captain Marvel
2. Wonder Woman
3. Dr. Strange
4. Silver Surfer
5.Green Arrow
6. Namor
7. Rachel Grey
8. Mr. Fantastic

Okie dokie, let's get right too this. I'll just stick to an evaluation of the two teams, as opposed to going into storymode. With that said, great work fellas (Lakers13 and Vap). Nice storytelling and well written.

First off, this is a fantastic match. Two of the most powerful teams to be certain. While there's no way in hell Amazo is going to beat both Surfer and Strange at the same time, he's still plenty powerful. He'd give either one of them a match. Darkseid, Cyborg, and Apoc are the other big daddies on DB/L, countered by Surfer, Strange, Marvel and WW. Which quadro-trump is better? That's incredibly difficult to say. Here's how I stack them up in tiers.

Strange

Amazo
Darkseid
Surfer

Apoc
Cyborg
WW
Marvel

As impressive as Apoc can be, he also gets dogged quite a bit. Who can forget the infamous table dodge? Strange is so powerful though... it's an incredibly tough call, and about as close to a draw as you can get with regards to a top four. I think I'd have to give a small edge to DB/L, if only barely. Seid's Omega beams have been stopped by very few, but WW's bracelets are included in those very few. Quite important methinks, and a bit of a balancer to DB/L's power advantage.

The backfields of both teams are pretty damn even too. But in this case, sizzle has the very clear advantage. Reed's genius intellect is very clearly top dog between the two bottom fours - and while he's not as useful as he would be with some time to prepare, he's still quick enough on his feat to come up with... something. Lame judgment I know, but this is frickin' Reed we're talking about. He always comes up with something. Rachel and Sinister would most likely duke it out, but I'd have to give the edge to Marvel Girl.

Sizzle's backfield has more of an advantage than DB/L's front four, but then the front four is always more important. And if that was all that mattered, I'd give the win to DB/L. But it's not.

Cohesion wise, this match isn't even close. Sizzle's team is filled with hard-working heroes who do their job and know their role. DB/L's team is filled with egotistical villains seeking personal glory or revenge, and nothing more. Plus Bishop, who is sorta badass, but still wouldn't be all too pleased to work with the likes of Seid and Apoc. Reed is a great leader, and Strange can take the lead as well. Namor and WW are right there. The team meshes quite well, and while it might not be overrun with direct connections between characters, it's got enough to boast an advantage over the opposition.

and I really think that's where the match ceases to be an issue. One team is going to execute much better than the other, and with power being more or less equal, that's what the match will boil down to.

Winner: Sizzle

[DirtBag]

Okie dokie, let's get right too this. I'll just stick to an evaluation of the two teams, as opposed to going into storymode. With that said, great work fellas (Lakers13 and Vap). Nice storytelling and well written.

First off, this is a fantastic match. Two of the most powerful teams to be certain. While there's no way in hell Amazo is going to beat both Surfer and Strange at the same time, he's still plenty powerful. He'd give either one of them a match. Darkseid, Cyborg, and Apoc are the other big daddies on DB/L, countered by Surfer, Strange, Marvel and WW. Which quadro-trump is better? That's incredibly difficult to say. Here's how I stack them up in tiers.

Strange

Amazo
Darkseid
Surfer

Apoc
Cyborg
WW
Marvel

As impressive as Apoc can be, he also gets dogged quite a bit. Who can forget the infamous table dodge? Strange is so powerful though... it's an incredibly tough call, and about as close to a draw as you can get with regards to a top four. I think I'd have to give a small edge to DB/L, if only barely. Seid's Omega beams have been stopped by very few, but WW's bracelets are included in those very few. Quite important methinks, and a bit of a balancer to DB/L's power advantage.

The backfields of both teams are pretty damn even too. But in this case, sizzle has the very clear advantage. Reed's genius intellect is very clearly top dog between the two bottom fours - and while he's not as useful as he would be with some time to prepare, he's still quick enough on his feat to come up with... something. Lame judgment I know, but this is frickin' Reed we're talking about. He always comes up with something. Rachel and Sinister would most likely duke it out, but I'd have to give the edge to Marvel Girl.

Sizzle's backfield has more of an advantage than DB/L's front four, but then the front four is always more important. And if that was all that mattered, I'd give the win to DB/L. But it's not.

Cohesion wise, this match isn't even close. Sizzle's team is filled with hard-working heroes who do their job and know their role. DB/L's team is filled with egotistical villains seeking personal glory or revenge, and nothing more. Plus Bishop, who is sorta badass, but still wouldn't be all too pleased to work with the likes of Seid and Apoc. Reed is a great leader, and Strange can take the lead as well. Namor and WW are right there. The team meshes quite well, and while it might not be overrun with direct connections between characters, it's got enough to boast an advantage over the opposition.

and I really think that's where the match ceases to be an issue. One team is going to execute much better than the other, and with power being more or less equal, that's what the match will boil down to.

Winner: Sizzle

Boo to your assessment but I will defend to my death your right to make it.

[vapid]

Thanks Ridonks. Current vote count:

Sizzle's team: 2.5

Dirtbag/Lakers team: 2


I think the teamwork aspect really is important in this match, as donks also pointed out. Sizz's team has the ability to protect strange long enough for Strange to cause some serious damage.

[DreamShake34]

I'm gonna have to go with sizzle's team on this one

[pete's montreux]

Sizzle.

[RidonKs]

I don't know much about all this "protect Strange" mumbo jumbo there Vap. It's always seemed to me that the good Doctor could take care of himself, against practically anybody. It's not like he has to stand around for 20 minutes citing incantations before he ever actually manages to do anything.

[vapid]

I don't know much about all this "protect Strange" mumbo jumbo there Vap. It's always seemed to me that the good Doctor could take care of himself, against practically anybody. It's not like he has to stand around for 20 minutes citing incantations before he ever actually manages to do anything.
Yea, Strange is more durable then the average human, but Lakersbag's team does have a bunch of power houses that could (imo) easily disrupt him. However, I think Lakersbag's team's powerhouses lack speed. Except for Amazo and Cyborg, none of them are exceptionally fast. Does Darkseid even have any type of speed at all? Or is he just this big lumbering guy?

Also, WW's bracelets can deflect Omega beams. I forgot about that.

[Quata]

im gonna go lakers/dirtbag.

[rezznor]

sizzle for me

[RidonKs]

The Seid has been known to tag speedsters from what I recall, although I don't know of any specific examples at the moment. Maybe I'll look into researching that a bit more.

He's not overly quick though.


Edit: Apparently he's stopped some speed blitzes from Supes. He's not fast, but he's got top-notch reflexes.

[DirtBag]

don't forget that cyborg superman has power rings.

[vapid]

New vote count:

Sizzle:
5.5

Lakersbag:
3

[DirtBag]

also team D13 has 3 total power rings (could have been 11, but dropped 8) and sizzles team has 0

[vapid]

also team D13 has 3 total power rings (could have been 11, but dropped 8) and sizzles team has 0
I think atrocitus is actually hard to wokr with though. His rage makes it hard for him to listen to the direction of others. Also, if we're using yellow power ring Cyborg Superman, he wants to die anyways.

[DirtBag]

I think atrocitus is actually hard to wokr with though. His rage makes it hard for him to listen to the direction of others. Also, if we're using yellow power ring Cyborg Superman, he wants to die anyways.

okay so we aren't, and we can just use atrocitus as a splatter damage kind of guy. weaken up some other people with his RED LANTERN RING (THAT IS SUPER POWERFUL) and allow some of the other guys and make quick work of them.

[vapid]

okay so we aren't, and we can just use atrocitus as a splatter damage kind of guy. weaken up some other people with his RED LANTERN RING (THAT IS SUPER POWERFUL) and allow some of the other guys and make quick work of them.
Red lantern ring's are as powerful as the yellow and green rings I think.

[DirtBag]

who on sizzles team has a yellow or green or blue?

[vapid]

who on sizzles team has a yellow or green or blue?
oh ok thats what you mean, I thought you meant like more powerful then the other rings.

[DirtBag]

oh ok thats what you mean, I thought you meant like more powerful then the other rings.

yea. I am just trying to focus on this match... :oldlol: Team D13 HAS THE EDGE ON POWER RINGS, THAT IS WHAT TIPS THE SCALE IN OUR FAVOR!!!

[tian820]

:lol Why does Sizz have half a vote? I'm enjoying the debating though. When do I need to have my vote in for this matchup? Think I'm leaning towards Sizz as of now

[RidonKs]

:lol Why does Sizz have half a vote? I'm enjoying the debating though. When do I need to have my vote in for this matchup? Think I'm leaning towards Sizz as of now
I guess vote counts as 1.5. Although it doesn't really make any sense that it does. Assuming everybody votes on every single match, there will always be 11 votes (13 - the two teams competing). I'm just here as a tie-breaker.

But whatevs, I won't argue that my opinion holds more weight than anybody else's. ;)

[wTFaMonkey]

ill choose dirtbag's team.

[vapid]

I'm going to close voting in a few hours.

[hotsizzle]

Sorry that I went MIA, been a little busy. Vapid thanks for the write up...better than I would have done. I'll just go ahead and vote for Sizzle's team.

[vapid]

Ok looks like there won't be any more votes... the final vote count is:

Sizzle's team: 6.5

Lakersbag: 4


Sizz's team moves on.

Read the 2nd post as I'm going to update that with the next matchup.

[DirtBag]

BOOO this is rigged!!!!!!

[intrinsic]

1. Primetime's Team:
1.Professor Xavier
2. Wolverine
3. Mystique
4. Scarlet Witch
5. Ghostrider
6. Punisher
7. Leech
8. Venom

vs.

Quata's Team: Votes:

1. Sentry
2. Black Adam
3. Blackheart
4. Adam Warlock
5. Psylocke
6. Gambit
7. Ms. Marvel
8. Legion

At first glance, Quata looks to win easily with the raw power differential(Sentry/Black Adam)

With that said, I'll go with prime's squad. Blackheart actually weakens this team through disruption. Not to mention, Ghostrider holds a victory over Blackheart. Either way I look at it, Quata's team is fighting one man down, and that is the decisive factor for me. *2 down, I just noticed legion.

[DirtBag]

I vote -pt-

[Doomsday Dallas]

-pt- has the best pick in the 1st round, and the best pick in the 7th round.
I'm not sure how you can defeat Leech as long as he is on a powerful team.

I vote -pt-

[GUUS]

I vote Quata's team, Gambit is a playa and would seduce Mystique and Scarlet Witch to follow him in to battle, thats clearly how the fight would go

[rezznor]

arent we supposed to have the gms argue their case before we vote?

[intrinsic]

arent we supposed to have the gms argue their case before we vote?

Yeah, about that... I think the gm's would have posted something before thread fell past page 5.

[~primetime~]

the reason my team woud win:


The Punisher has big guns...

Wolverine is a badass...

"and I have Proffesor X...I mean...psshhh...DUH!!!"

[intrinsic]

the reason my team woud win:


The Punisher has big guns...

Wolverine is a badass...

"and I have Proffesor X...I mean...psshhh...DUH!!!"

The Punisher is outclassed.
Psylocke's resistance allows her to close the distance on ProfX

Blaze saves your team.

[vapid]

Quata's team has way too much power, this is probably the most lopsided match we have in my opinion.

Primetime has two ways he could have won: Scarlet Witch and Xavier. However, he doesn't have the defense/speed to stall long enough. MAYBE if Mystique knew to turn herself into the Void and trick Sentry, team Primetime might stand a chance. However, without prep I don't see how thats possible. Black Adam will rip out Xavier and Wanda's guts before they can do enough damage.

[Quata]

As vapid said, my team has a too big of a gap in power differenential, i mean my first 4 picks alone are pretty much more powerful than anyone on his team, i have ms marvel for team chemistry and psyloche for psychic protection. But again, no one can stand a chance against sentry and black adam on pts team.

I vote me!

[Doomsday Dallas]

LEECH is the only reason why -primetime- wins.

[vapid]

LEECH is the only reason why -primetime- wins.
Doesn't leech only really affect mutants? And there are a number of ranged ways to take him out that Quata possesses.

[~primetime~]

Doesn't leech only really affect mutants? And there are a number of ranged ways to take him out that Quata possesses.
I believe it said that he takes the powers from anyone...

also, it just gives my team "the cure"...it doesn't matter if he is dead or alive...

once Xavier has the cure...he has the cure...

[rezznor]

the reason my team woud win:


The Punisher has big guns...

Wolverine is a badass...

"and I have Proffesor X...I mean...psshhh...DUH!!!"
was really hoping you would give me a compelling reason to vote for you, but you failed.Quata's team will roll yours, you havent put up a compelling argument as to why they wouldn't. you don't have anyone to protect the guys you are counting on, Xavier and Leech, and they are very weak physically. Hell, Quata's team could probably take yours 4 on 8. I vote Quata.

[~primetime~]

^^^

sorry, when I got into this draft I warned you guys that I am not that familiar with all the heroes...

I even offered my spot to other posters...



The truth is, Gambit is the only character on Quata's team I have even the slightest bit of knowledge on...

I don't know who the hell those other guys are...

Now I could google each one of them and then try and come up with a crazy scenero of why my team would win but that would take much more effort than I am willing to put into this thing really...

I tried to put together a well know powerful team led by Xavier...

how about this:

If Marvel/DC was to make a movie based on this war, they would have TEAM ~primetime~ as the victors, because the other characters are too lame to be marketable...:D

[Doomsday Dallas]

was really hoping you would give me a compelling reason to vote for you, but you failed.Quata's team will roll yours, you havent put up a compelling argument as to why they wouldn't. you don't have anyone to protect the guys you are counting on, Xavier and Leech, and they are very weak physically. Hell, Quata's team could probably take yours 4 on 8. I vote Quata.

I could f*ck up Leech because I have Iron Man... and Tony Stark is not a mutant, nor does he have Super Powers... He's just got some serious technology.

Does Quata have someone on his team that is just a human?

[vapid]

Well the voting is 3 for PT and 3 for Quata right now, so anything is possible!

[RidonKs]

This match isn't exactly close in my mind. Blackheart probably should be the most powerful character in the match, but it seems he has a history of jobbing to less-than-stellar heroes, many of which are on prime's team. Still, apparently it took Pun, Ghost, and Wolvie to take him out - although I'm not sure on the specific details of that. But if that's the case - again, which I somehow doubt - that's still three of prime's guys to take on one of Quatar's. And if Blackheart isn't the most powerful guy in the match, then Black Adam most certainly is. And if BA isn't, then one would think Sentry would be right there as well.

It's just pure power that will overwhelm pt's team. Prime's built a pretty cohesive and well organized squad with a clear leader and a variety of abilities - but it lacks pure unadulterated power. And that's a problem.

Quatar's team is pretty messy with regards to cohesion. Heroes, anti-heroes, ridiculously evil heir-to-the-throne-of-satan demons, and whatnot. But what they lack in teamwork, they will make up for in brute force. That's more than enough for me.

Winner: Quatar

[~primetime~]

^^^ you don't think Xavier could figure out a tricky way to use the cure on them?

no comment on the "leech" pick?

[tian820]

I'm for Quata's stuff

[vapid]

The Marvel database says that Leech's powers: "Nullify the abilities of other mutants in his close proximity."

So basically all of Quata's big hitters are immune.

[RidonKs]

^^^ you don't think Xavier could figure out a tricky way to use the cure on them?

no comment on the "leech" pick?
Not in the battle field while at least three characters clearly more powerful than himself or anybody else on his team are on full offensive attack.

Leech is pretty meh to me. To go ahead and assume that he can negate any superpowers, just because he did it to the frickin' Power Pack, seems pretty silly. This is Black Adam and Ms Marvel and Blackheart we're talking about. Without having many feats to his name, all Leech really is at this point is a plot device waiting to be used - he just hasn't really done a whole hell of a lot from what I understand.

[Quata]

Good to see my team is finally getting some votes :D. But yeh, everything that is relevant has been said by the other guys, my team just has too much power.

[rezznor]

The Marvel database says that Leech's powers: "Nullify the abilities of other mutants in his close proximity."

So basically all of Quata's big hitters are immune.
leech has also been known to affect the powers of other heroes. he leeched power pack, who's powers are from aliens.

[Quata]

so i win 5-3?

5. Magic Man Vs. 6.Rezznor

is up next.

[vapid]

Yea, looks like no one else is going to vote. I'll update the post with the next matchup.

[vapid]

Magic Man's got a cool theme that I didn't notice when we were drafting, but he has less power than Rezznor's team. Here's the key matchups:

1. Most of Magic Man's team are x-men. Cyclops is the quintessential leader of the x-men and thus should know very well how to combat them. However, Emma and Jean probably have been inside Scott's mind long enough to balance it, and Clops might feel apprehension about fighting his two loves.

2. Jean Grey and Emma Frost vs. X-man. Jean and Emma are more skilled, but X-man has way more power. Can both of them overwhelm him?

3. Shadowcat can mess Ultron up.

4. Magneto is also very experienced fighting most of the other team. Can Doom's magic take him out? Doom is not as effective without prep time, which will be featured in the next round. (if he makes it.) I would assume Doom has protected his armor against Magneto in the past, as that is an obvious weakness he has against one of the his biggest threats.

5. I just noticed Firestorm and Magneto. Thats a hugely deadly combo, you just have Firestorm turn everyone into metal and Magneto takes care of the rest.

6. We haven't even gotten around to Loki and Mongol! Surely they beat some of Magic Man's x-factors. (Rogue, Copycat, Shadowcat)

I think Rezznor's team wins.

[tian820]

1. Magic Man's Team: "The Doctor and his B!tches"
1. Dr. Doom
2. Emma Frost
3. Rogue
4. Jean Grey
5. She-Hulk
6. Copycat
7. Kitty Pride
8. X-23

vs.

Rezznor's Team: Votes:

1. Magneto
2. X-man
3. Loki
4. Mongol
5. Cyclops
6. Firestorm
7. Ultron
8. Daimon Hellstorm

Damn lots of X-Men in this matchup in general. Seems like a lot of "good guys" being led by a powerhouse "bad guy" on the Magic Man's team. Would have been nice to see some versatility as well considering the 4 or 5 characters from the X-Men series, not knocking the team for that though. Rezznor's team, on the other hand, with the likes of X-Man, Loki and Ultron just seems to have a significant power advantage. Having Magneto as a leader doesn't hurt either considering the opponent and his vast knowledge and experience with mutant foes.

Going with Rezznor :cheers:

[dab0yech0]

I really like Magic Man's team but they just don't match up well with Rezznors team at all. Rezznor's team takes it easily.

[DirtBag]

Rez

[RidonKs]

Seems like rezz has at least five PHs. Mags, X, Loki, and Ultron for sure, and I don't see how you wouldn't have Firestorm there as well. And actually, Mongul probably would be too.

Yeah, this match isn't really close. Neither team has very good cohesion, with Doom having to work with the rest of his hero squad and X/Cyclops being forced to team with Mags/Ultron/others. But the significant power advantage makes this easy.

Winner: rezznor



Although The Magic Man has the far superior team name.

[rezznor]

Seems like rezz has at least five PHs. Mags, X, Loki, and Ultron for sure, and I don't see how you wouldn't have Firestorm there as well. And actually, Mongul probably would be too.

Yeah, this match isn't really close. Neither team has very good cohesion, with Doom having to work with the rest of his hero squad and X/Cyclops being forced to team with Mags/Ultron/others. But the significant power advantage makes this easy.

Winner: rezznor



Although The Magic Man has the far superior team name.

i considered mags, X, Loki, and Mongul my Phs. Ultron is basically on par with the Vision imo. his fights against the avengers are more about his schemes then brute force arent they?

about the cohesion,magneto isnt a true villain in the classic sense. he does actually have some noble intentions. he has even led the x-men for a few years, they just need to be on the same page. as long as you are not threatening mutantkind he should work ok. loki's bad deeds come mostly from him hating Thor. aside from that, he has fought for asgard on plenty of occasions. ultron, he's a robot, there has even been a good version of him. im going to consider him re-programmed. mongul...well yeah, he's a baaaadddd dude :D i say he's aligned himself with this team cuz he loves to fight, destroy, and conquer, and this group gives him the best chance to tear shit up. he's the kevin garnett of the group :oldlol:

[vapid]

You could argue that the new firestorm is kinda a n00b. But yea he and ultron are borderline.

[DreamShake34]

Rezznor

[Doomsday Dallas]

Rza.

[Quata]

i guess rez wins, may aswell move onto the next matchup :)

[vapid]

Looks like a unanimous vote for rezznor. Magic man didn't even turn up to support his own team.

[vapid]

Rezznor: 6.5 Magic Man: 0

I'll set up the next round I guess cus no one else is responding.

[vapid]

Next matchup is up.

Doom's doesn't really have much cohesion on his team. They are all marvel, and he does have 5 mutants, but they are all mutants from different teams/series that don't work together often, except for maybe Storm, Magick and Cable. Iron Man has also only worked with probably just Storm. Daredevil is kind of a loner, and Vulcan is a headstrong brat who won't listen to anyone.

My team has 4 people who are perennial JLA members, and one guy who possesses the same abiltiies as a another JLA member, and 7 certified good guys, but not all goody two shoes. Zatanna has mindwiped, plastic man was a crook, batman is batman, Sodam kills often, Beta Ray is a warrior who deems killing necessary, etc.

1.No one is fast enough to react to Flash on this team, so I can definitely see Flash taking out Storm and Magick, and possibly Daredevil, the three squishiest characters on Dooms' team right off the bat here. He will at least take out Storm and maybe disable Cable, as Exodus has the best knowledge of these two and knows that they are deadly.

2. Vulcan, being the headstrong guy he is, definitely will be the first to attack my team. He will either be met by Beta Ray Bill or Ion, two guys who love a fight and who outclass Vulcan.

3. Now Iron man is probably going to fire a few shots at what he deems is one of the more squishy targets, which is probably Zatanna or Bats. I have a lot of options to protect my squishy guys. GL/Invisible woman shields or just Bats dodging and Zatanna casting a protective spell ensures that they remain safe. And then by that time the other one of Ion/Beta Ray has engaged Iron man, once again outclassing him.

4. Exodus has Cable beat on telepathy, but we'll just call this one as Exodus not allowing Cable to use his telepathy and not mind controlling the rest.

5. So now we have Juggs, Carnage, Cable and Daredevil unaccounted for. Juggs could be a problem, but is easily stopped by a Zatanna spell.

6. I bet Plastic Man will engage Carnage, as Plas probably wants to play with someone crazy and putty-like like himself. There is no way Carnage can harm Plas but Plas probably won't do much damage to Carnage. This is a decent stalemate until Bats has thrown everything on his utility belt at Carnage and succeeded with the sonic enducers.

7. Cable, without the use of his telepathy and telekinesis, is pretty much just a guy with loads of guns. Flash will either get rid of those guns and lay a few infinite mass punches on him, or Invisible Woman could just keep him in a bubble, not much Cable can do without telekinesis.

8. Daredevil is a bit useless here, the only real damgae he could have done was take out Zatanna or Invisible Woman or something, but I doubt Bats would allow Daredevil to sneak up on them, as Bats is a superior stealth fighter.

I hardly used Exodus in this fight, and didn't even talk about Ion or Beta Ray after they finished their first encounters, and used Plastic man quite ineffectively. I think I can safely say my team wins.

[Doomsday Dallas]

Next matchup is up.



1.No one is fast enough to react to Flash on this team, so I can definitely see Flash taking out Storm and Magick, and possibly Daredevil, the three squishiest characters on Dooms' team right off the bat here. He will at least take out Storm and maybe disable Cable, as Exodus has the best knowledge of these two and knows that they are deadly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulcan_(Marvel_Comics)

Vulcan is a mutant with the ability to manipulate unlimited amounts of energy. In addition to traditional energies of the electromagnetic spectrum Vulcan has displayed control over exotic energies such as Cyclops' optic blasts and magical energy. He has used his powers to produce light, heat, force, and electricity, as well as warp or disable unlimited amounts/kinds of existing energy sources, tap into and suppress mutant energies, survive in the vacuum of space, and fly. Outside a planetary atmosphere his flight speed can even reach near the speed of light. He is able to go without food by directly absorbing energy for a long time.

He can manipulate electricity within a person's brain. He can also use the powers of others by manipulating the energy in their brain. When he uses his powers, his eyes glow. Emma Frost, Rachel Summers and Professor Xavier have confirmed him to be beyond an Omega-level mutant. However Omega-level already denotes unlimited potential, making "Beyond Omega level" redundant. He has been confirmed as an Omega-level mutant in Uncanny X-Men #483, his powers elevated to said level thanks to absorbing a massive amount of mutant energies from M-Day, as stated in Uncanny X-Men #477.

After being swallowed by the soil of Krakoa, he absorbed the powers of his teammates Darwin, Petra, and Sway, giving him their powers of physical adaptation, earth manipulation, and time manipulation respectively. He has not displayed these abilities after his re-appearance.
All three Summers brothers have similar powers, as they are each able to absorb certain kinds of extraterrestrial energies and rechannel that energy from their bodies. Remarkably enough, while his brothers Alex and Scott are known to be immune to each others powers, they are apparently not immune to Vulcan's.






Flash is killed instantly by Vulcan.

[vapid]

Vulcan can only operate as fast as he thinks. Flash moves way way faster than that.

[rezznor]

can u list the teams

[vapid]

can u list the teams
check the 2nd post, i reedited it.

[Doomsday Dallas]

Vulcan can only operate as fast as he thinks. Flash moves way way faster than that.

Are you suggesting that the Flash would defeat Vulcan?

No... Just No.

[vapid]

Are you suggesting that the Flash would defeat Vulcan?

No... Just No.
The Flash could, but even if he didn't go after Vulcan he's still going to take out a couple of your weaker guys before Vulcan could react. Vulcan doesn't even know that Flash is that fast anyways so its not like he's actively looking for a speedster to hit.

[rezznor]

1. Vapid's Team: "The Royalty"
1. Batman
2. The Flash
3. Ion
4. Exodus
5. Invisible Woman
6. Beta Ray Bill
7. Zatanna
8. Plastic man

vs.

Doomsday's Team:

1. Iron Man
2. Vulcan
3. Cable
4. Storm
5. Juggernaught
6. Carnage
7. Magick
8. Daredevil

im gonna wait for some more arguments. i think the two teams are more evenly matched then most people think. i see counters for some of the stronger guys on both teams. gonna think about it awhile, lets hear some more arguments for why you think your guys are gonna win.

[intrinsic]

Plastic Man and Exodus could elminate Juggs almost instantaneously. How can dooms stop Plastic Man from ripping the helmet off and Exodus finishing the job? Storm is trumped by Beta Ray Bill -- big time(reflecting energy attacks translating defense into offense). The only casualty I'll concede is Batman. Carnage might eliminate him similar to the way Bane broke the Bat's back in a chaotic, consuming, environment.

Vapid is too right about the Flash being on Vulcan before he even has a chance to react. Ion could do the rest. When that happens, Doomsday's team will crumble.

Vapid wins by a safe margin.

[vapid]

Don't forget, Beta Ray Bill has beaten Thor on multiple occasions. Beta is definitely as strong, and possible stronger (as in physical prowess) than Superman level beings.

[Doomsday Dallas]

Okay, I've done a little research and figured out how to stop Flash.

Flash cannot fly and has no projectile attacks. I can start my fight by having Iron Man and Vulcan flying in the air. Storm flies herself and uses her powers to carry magik, cable and DD.... I'll just leave juggernaught on the ground, because flash cant hurt him... I'll have magik toss her teleportation portals all over the ground and The if The Flash runs into one he gets transported to hell. Or I could have magik cast a spell to slow flash down. Flash really isnt that powerful if you think about it... He's just fast.

[intrinsic]

Okay, I've done a little research and figured out how to stop Flash.

Flash cannot fly and has no projectile attacks. I can start my fight by having Iron Man and Vulcan flying in the air. Storm flies herself and uses her powers to carry magik, cable and DD.... I'll just leave juggernaught on the ground, because flash cant hurt him... I'll have magik toss her teleportation portals all over the ground and The if The Flash runs into one he gets transported to hell. Or I could have magik cast a spell to slow flash down. Flash really isnt that powerful if you think about it... He's just fast.

Flash has the ability to manipulate time + energy. I'd say that's awfully powerful.

[vapid]

Once again, flash moves faster than Storm or Magick can think. Flash can travel way faster than the speed of light. Storm/Magick will be out cold before they can get off the ground. And anyways, Flash can also steal their speed to immobilize them, or use someone else as a ramp, heck Plastic Man can become a ramp/catapult/slingshot for Flash to launch himself off of if it comes down to it.

[rezznor]

Once again, flash moves faster than Storm or Magick can think. Flash can travel way faster than the speed of light. Storm/Magick will be out cold before they can get off the ground. And anyways, Flash can also steal their speed to immobilize them, or use someone else as a ramp, heck Plastic Man can become a ramp/catapult/slingshot for Flash to launch himself off of if it comes down to it.
the way you guys are describing flash he would be able to take out superman, wonder woman, and martian manhunter at the same time without breaking a sweat. i just don't see it sorry. so he is supposed to be unbeatable because he can move faster then anyone can think? how does he even have a rogue's gallery then? according to you he would destroy all of them with no problem.

so flash is so powerful, but geeks like Captain Cold,Mirror Master,The Pied Piper,Weather Wizard,The Trickster,Captain Boomerang,The Top,Abra Kadabra,Heat Wave,Golden Glider are his arch-enemies?

i concede that he is strong and probably the fastest character out there, but i dont think he is as unbeatable as you say. still this fight isnt all about flash and vapid has other heavy hitters on his team.

[Doomsday Dallas]

How can dooms stop Plastic Man from ripping the helmet off (Juggernaught) and Exodus finishing the job?

He possesses tremendous durability, and can further protect himself through a practically indestructible force field. It has even withstood Thor's "god-blast",[23] which has been able to pierce the armor of a Celestial.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juggernaut_(comics)

[Doomsday Dallas]

http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt216/Doomsday2036/X-men-poster2.jpg

Just Don't F*ck with my team...

[vapid]

Notice that I only used Flash against the weaker members of Doom's team. To me, in a battle with a lot of powerful glass cannons, speed is the most important tool, because the first hit is often the most important. Anyways, although I'm not too well versed on the Flash's villains, a lot of the more formidable ones use trickery rather than pure power to hinder him. Gorilla Grodd is a genius level gorrilla, Zoom is basically a reverse flash that can control time and is also very powerful. Overall the Flash does have a pretty lame rogue's gallery, but that doesn't mean that the Flash himself is not powerful. He has displayed a large number of his potential feats, mostly in the JLA comics, so this isn't just speculation on potential.

Also, Zatanna's powers include healing teammates, resisting mind control (martian mahunter level), providing protection against other forms of magic, stopping bullets, mindwiping, etc. She also doesn't need to use her voice, she can write it in blood among other ways. I'm very happy about how balanced my team's offense and defense has.

[Doomsday Dallas]

DD is the only person on my team that is pretty much guaranteed to die. He's just there to serve as a decoy / distraction so the more powerful people on my team can kick some @ss...


Exodus will be the last person I decide to kill on your team... Because after many members of my team have been killed in the ultimate battle against Beta Ray Bill and Ion... Vulcan is going to absorb the powers that Exodus has and use them to bring the dead back to life


Exodus has also stated that he can heal and also bring the dead back to life.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_(comics)



But as far as Flash goes... I'm gonna have to depend on Magik to send Flash straight to Hell.

You don't want to f*ck with a person that knows some Black Magik... I don't give a F*ck who you are. When someone casts a spell on your @ss... it's over.

[vapid]

Magik only wishes she could wield a tenth of the magical power that Z has.

There is no way Vulcan could last. He is the brashest and loudest of your group, he's going to be the first target and the first to go down. Exodus could probably beat Vulcan by himself anyways.

How are you going to beat Beta Ray Bill? He has survived being in the core of a planet while it explodes. Plastic man is virtually immortal, you'll have a hard time killing him as well.

[Doomsday Dallas]

Magik only wishes she could wield a tenth of the magical power that Z has.


http://www.comicbookmovie.com/images/pictures/765L.jpg

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/6816/413353-MAGIK_COV_100_super.jpg

http://henshinjustice.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/magik.jpg


I don't think Zatanna wants to f*ck with Magik... especially when she is having a bad day.
.
That B*tch can turn into pure evil

[vapid]

The question is pretty moot, because Magik's going to be unconscious before she could even begin casting a spell.

[GUUS]

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/images/pictures/765L.jpg

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/6816/413353-MAGIK_COV_100_super.jpg

http://henshinjustice.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/magik.jpg



I don't think Zatanna wants to f*ck with Magik... especially when she is having a bad day.
.
That B*tch can turn into pure evil
damn that girl got huge hips and tiny waste and giant ****! Pretty hot for a drawing. Is that why comics are so popular?

I'm voting for Dooms team, it's pretty dominant.

I read Sandman and hellboy and archie comics and Calvin and Hobbes, are DC and marvel comics as cool?

[vapid]

Sandman is DC, but I don't know how close it is. DC's heroes are more perfect and god-like, while Marvel is more "gritty" and tries to be "current" and "with the times".

Hellboy is not bad, I think the same author wrote some Batman stuff. I only read the first one and a half Hellboy trades tho.

Calvin and Hobbes is of course awesome, but different genre.

[GUUS]

1.No one is fast enough to react to Flash on this team, so I can definitely see Flash taking out Storm and Magick, and possibly Daredevil, the three squishiest characters on Dooms' team right off the bat here. He will at least take out Storm and maybe disable Cable, as Exodus has the best knowledge of these two and knows that they are deadly.


WRONG man didn't you see Xmen 3, Storm goes up against a super speedster and Storm owns the super speedster! She'll own flash exactly the same way

[vapid]

WRONG man didn't you see Xmen 3, Storm goes up against a super speedster and Storm owns the super speedster! She'll own flash exactly the same way
Quicksilver's max is the speed of sound. (340 miles/second) Flash is faster than the speed of light (300 million miles/second)

[GUUS]

Quicksilver's max is the speed of sound. (340 miles/second) Flash is faster than the speed of light (300 million miles/second)
i hardly think that will matter tho!

And nothing is faster than light so therefor the flash is physically impossible

vote is still to Dooms!

[vapid]

i hardly think that will matter tho!

And nothing is faster than light so therefor the flash is physically impossible

vote is still to Dooms!
lol yea well comics kind of break a lot of physics laws, and sorry only participants' votes count.

[kentatm]

this has been a fun read but I simply refuse to believe Captain Marvel would have been punked the way many described in the first match up.

[vapid]

this has been a fun read but I simply refuse to believe Captain Marvel would have been punked the way many described in the first match up.
There are many ways to interpret it... its just possible that going up against so many nefarious and cunning villains, marvel's naivete would be his downfall. Who knows, at least his team went through so you'll see more of him.

Feel free to voice your opinions on the other matchups too.

[RidonKs]

Flash's skillset always seems to be much more impressive than his actual showings. In reality, he's constantly written below the standards to which he should be held. And if this is really a COMIC character draft, then he's not nearly as potent as Vapid is arguing. He's still one of the best in the match though.

It might also be a good idea to designate exactly which Flash this is - ie. Wally, Bart, etc.


Overall, I don't see this match as overly difficult anyways. Juggs is really the biggest problem for Vapid's squad - and he is a problem. But as far as I can tell, the top five in the match would appear to include him, as well as BRB, Exodus, Ion, and Flash. That's four of the best five on one team. Factor in that Vapid's got huge versatility and cohesion advantages, specifically regarding intangibles brought by Plastic Man, Invisible Woman, and Batman, and you have quite the squad. I'd be slightly worried about who will lead the troops, as I'm not exactly certain how able Bats is in that area. But that's a second thought, and I don't see it as a big enough issue to offset the power, cohesion, and versatility advantages of Vapid's team.

Winner: Vapid



Good arguments by the way fellas.

[vapid]

I designated my pick as the new Barry Allen with the speed force, but as primarily I'm using Speed Force Flash, Wally West is probably the barometer as we haven't seen enough of Barry's usage of the modern day speed force.

Your points are always appreciated Donks, and as for my leadership problem, well here is how I see it:

None of the flashes have really been much of a leader, and Sodam Yat has not acquired the veteran acknowledgment necessary to lead such an accomplished squad. BRB has been kind of a loner, and invisible woman usually defers to Reed. Plas is obviously not a leader, and Zatanna isn't much of one either. Exodus would not be seen as a leader either, although as the resident telepath his will will obviously be heard. I made sure I didn't choose any marvel characters that really have gone up against Exodus in the past to minimalize conflict, and I think if I make it to the next round, Batman will show Exodus he is a capable leader. For everyone else, they are all strong wills but I don't see much of a power struggle leadership wise at all.

[Doomsday Dallas]

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj97/d65blade/BatmanvsIronman.jpg

Winner: Iron Man

[vapid]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Gd8NBIma-zo/SFhFGmfPnDI/AAAAAAAAEBU/hFml8wpEqVA/s400/civil_war_ironman_vs_cap.jpg

Iron Man hates America. :D

[pete's montreux]

I wish I could find better artwork for my characters, but I just honestly can't. And some of them are incredibly popular.

[vapid]

I wish I could find better artwork for my characters, but I just honestly can't. And some of them are incredibly popular.
Did you try comicvine?

[RidonKs]

Well yeah, there wouldn't be much of a power struggle, every one seems pretty... modest for lack of a better word. But nobody to take charge and direct. That's when a Captain America or a Reed Richards is damn useful.

and this site is one I've found to be pretty good Pete (http://www.deviantart.com/)

[vapid]

Well yeah, there wouldn't be much of a power struggle, every one seems pretty... modest for lack of a better word. But nobody to take charge and direct. That's when a Captain America or a Reed Richards is damn useful.

and this site is one I've found to be pretty good Pete (http://www.deviantart.com/)
Batman's definitely a control freak, he'll take charge. He's not a bad leader either. Flash/GL/Zatanna/Plas will listen to him and i'm sure the other 3 will fall in line once they see someone is taking charge.

[Doomsday Dallas]

Vapid's First Round Pick BATMAN

vs.

Doomsday Dallas Eighth Round Pick Dare Devil

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOx6humKWuk
Batman vs Daredevil

[vapid]

Vapid: 4.5 Dooms: 1

Need more votes

[pete's montreux]

Sorry.

Vap.

[intrinsic]

Flash's skillset always seems to be much more impressive than his actual showings. In reality, he's constantly written below the standards to which he should be held. And if this is really a COMIC character draft, then he's not nearly as potent as Vapid is arguing. He's still one of the best in the match though.

The Flash would be punished by cosmic level heroes/villains like the surfer, but pretty much every mid-level character is going down. I was using the assumption that (wally, but I guess vapid wanted barry) was fighting seriously without the antics/jokes. He's a deadly compliment to ion on this team since, at the very least, flash would incapacitate 1 or more members of Dooms squad. The defensive skillset vapid's team shows is also an enormous obstacle. He's covered on all bases energy, physical, mental, and magic. It just seems like he'd be able to pick the other team off one by one while reallocating resources from defense to offense as the battle goes on.

Thor has 2 victories over jugs btw. That doesn't amount to a hill of beans here really because of the circumstances of those matchups though.

I probably underestimated the Sentry by a great deal in Quata's matchup. (minus probably)

[vapid]

I mean, we are assuming these guys all want to fight pretty hard correct? I'm trying to accurately predict how Flash would fight if he was faced with a life/death situation. Even if he couldn't kill some mid-level guys, he could move them miles away, kind of like how Nightcrawler does to reduce the number of threats the team fights at a time.

[hotsizzle]

I'm gonna go with Vaps on this one.

[Doomsday Dallas]

Vapid: 4.5 Dooms: 1

Need more votes

ehh... I don't think I'm gonna pick up 5 votes anytime soon...

I'll go ahead and except defeat.



I think you people underestimate how powerful Storm was in the comics though. I was about to pick her with my first round pick, but I needed a true leader in Iron Man... who is smarter than Bruce Wayne, has better weapons, better armor ... but I do think Bruce Wayne has more $money$, and is better in hand to hand combat.

Iron Man would destroy Batman.



The reason I picked Carnage was because it's basiclly an Alien Symbiote wrapped around a Serial Killer... Get rid of the Serial Killer, and use that Symbiote to wrap around Dare Devil's Body... He becomes a Powerhouse.

Anyway... I'll keep voting in Round 2.

[vapid]

Storm is powerful no doubt, you probably just faced a bad matchup with the Flash being faster than Storm's lightning and Storm not having any protection against speed.

What you said about carnage is a creative way to use him, but that does leave you down a man and you don't know how the symbiote will react to someone else.

The next round of updates will be up for voting now.

[Doomsday Dallas]

Storm is powerful no doubt, you probably just faced a bad matchup with the Flash being faster than Storm's lightning and Storm not having any protection against speed.

What you said about carnage is a creative way to use him, but that does leave you down a man and you don't know how the symbiote will react to someone else.

The next round of updates will be up for voting now.


You overrate Flash... There are three or four people on your team that are bigger problems.

Tell me... If Flash can not fly, how is he not going to get tripped up by a Lightning Bolt from Storm? It would be like running into a spider web.

[vapid]

...Wow. WTF somehow got away with 5 powerhouses, but oh well, too late now. However his team is quite unbalanced, with a somewhat strong magic weakness.

Intrinsic/shake's team is much more balanced, with probably the greatest leader around, magic, energy, tech, but... no real telepath. That could be the deciding factor, if MM isn't taken out fast then his telepathic powers could be the turning point.

[vapid]

You overrate Flash... There are three or four people on your team that are bigger problems.

Tell me... If Flash can not fly, how is he not going to get tripped up by a Lightning Bolt from Storm? It would be like running into a spider web.
I dont think you understand... Flash runs faster than Storm thinks. How would storm know to fly up first, and how could she fly faster than flash runs to her?

[GUUS]

I dont think you understand... Flash runs faster than Storm thinks. How would storm know to fly up first, and how could she fly faster than flash runs to her?
durr xmen 3 storm killed someone who is exactly like the flash, if he really is faster than the speed of light all you have to do is trip him up and the force of impact of whatever he crashes in to would kill him instantly.


new sub topic, who's the hottest woman in comic books

[vapid]

durr xmen 3 storm killed someone who is exactly like the flash, if he really is faster than the speed of light all you have to do is trip him up and the force of impact of whatever he crashes in to would kill him instantly.


new sub topic, who's the hottest woman in comic books
He can control his body mass to vibrate through things so he only touches what he wants to. Whatever, no need to argue Flash's capabilities till the next round.

[RidonKs]

new sub topic, who's the hottest woman in comic books
Captain Knockers AKA Power Girl

http://www.geekshow.us/wp/wp-content/uploads/PowerGirl.jpg

lol




And Thanos? haha

wTF is probably going to win. Quasar is mighty impressive, but Thanos? Backed by Glads, Supes, Hal, etc? Eh. I'll look a little more into it, but I don't see intrinsic getting my vote.

[Doomsday Dallas]

He can control his body mass to vibrate through things so he only touches what he wants to.

Yea but I googeld his weakness... He can't do this forever because he needs rest, food and sleep.... It's like sprinting at full speed for a very long time... How long can you sprint? This isn't a power that can keep going and going like the energizer bunny.

Juggernaught can go a long time with out food or sleep... Many of my team players can do this.

[vapid]

Yea but I googeld his weakness... He can't do this forever because he needs rest, food and sleep.... It's like sprinting at full speed for a very long time... How long can you sprint? This isn't a power that can keep going and going like the energizer bunny.

Juggernaught can go a long time with out food or sleep... Many of my team players can do this.
....dude, he only needs to operate for like a picosecond before storm is out. Remember he travels really fcking fast? He doesn't take naps throughout battles or anything, and if he did, they would only be like a nanosecond.

[Doomsday Dallas]

....dude, he only needs to operate for like a picosecond before storm is out. Remember he travels really fcking fast? He doesn't take naps throughout battles or anything, and if he did, they would only be like a nanosecond.

Okay... So you are saying that Storm couldn't have a force field around her?

I mean, if Flash is gonna break the laws of physics... then you need to put him the same category as Pheonix.

You travel faster than Light, you turn into light = Fact.

Atleast it equals fact in the physical world.

[vapid]

Okay... So you are saying that Storm couldn't have a force field around her?

I mean, if Flash is gonna break the laws of physics... then you need to put him the same category as Pheonix.

You travel faster than Light, you turn into light = Fact.

Atleast it equals fact in the physical world.
We can obviously break physic laws... i mean magic? the existence of demons and angels? i dunno a whole bunch of stuff?

Anyways, who's forcefield is around storm? Who can cast one fast enough before flash gets to her? Maybe if they had prep time, but remember we aren't using prep time for this round.

[Doomsday Dallas]

We can obviously break physic laws... i mean magic? the existence of demons and angels? i dunno a whole bunch of stuff?

Anyways, who's forcefield is around storm? Who can cast one fast enough before flash gets to her? Maybe if they had prep time, but remember we aren't using prep time for this round.

Storm is chilling 10,000 feet in the air dude... Because she can fly

Once Flsh breaks the speed of light barrier... He's dealing with the 4th dimension (Time)... he can no longer hurt somebody physically.

In order for Flash to hurt some one in the physical world... he can't go faster than the speed of light.

[GUUS]

Yeh flash is pretty much as strong as phoenix, should be repicked lol, moving at the speed of light PLUS he has some made up power that he cant get tripped.

Hey i saw the justice league cartoon, Flash gets tripped like every single battle hes ever been in on that show

[intrinsic]

...Wow. WTF somehow got away with 5 powerhouses, but oh well, too late now. However his team is quite unbalanced, with a somewhat strong magic weakness.

Intrinsic/shake's team is much more balanced, with probably the greatest leader around, magic, energy, tech, but... no real telepath. That could be the deciding factor, if MM isn't taken out fast then his telepathic powers could be the turning point.

The way I see it, this is a preferred matchup for our squad. First, I'll address the bold...
http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/504/overmind.jpg
Quasar #15

In addition, Phantom Stranger can dispel mental attacks.
Now, I'll turn the question back at you: What can WTF's team counter magic attacks with? If the Stranger transmutes Superman or Iceman into a flower, what move does WTF have?

Black Bolt has dominated Gladiator on more than one occassion.

Cap vs. WarMachine. Here's an interesting dilemma though. Would Cap willingly harm a fellow Avenger? During the Civil War, civillian interruption was the only thing to save IronMan from defeat at the hands of Captain America. Removing the civilians from the battlefield and accounting for the knowledge of WarMachine's weapons/armor (both Panther and Cap hold this knowledge as Avengers). Cap, signing on as the leader of this team, wouldn't have much trouble rationalizing the elimination of war machine to serve the greater good.

Black Panther vs. Elektra. Elektra?! What is she going to do against the Black Panther? They're equal in physical attributes, but Black Panther has a decided advantage in both intellect and resources. Light(extremely durable) armor vs softcore porno costume. advantage: Panther

This is the only crucial point for the team. How quick will Quasar or the BB dispatch their assigned targets? The Vision will occupy and disrupt Hal's focus. By materializing within Hal's body it will disrupt any plan to construct a forcefield around the head of BlackBolt. Furthermore, Hal's ring has power restrictions/limitations while Quasar's bands do not. The Vision is not expected to win this matchup alone.

Superman, same deal. He has no resistance to Magic attacks. It hurts him just as much as any other character. Phantom Stranger has gone toe to toe with the Spectre, so Superman isn't too high of a threat in this matchup.

:oldlol: Thanos having his way with this team?
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb88/varone04/Death%20of%20Darkseid/1.jpg
Hi, my name is Orion. I've been expecting you.
(No restrictions placed on Orion while Thanos is without inifnity gauntlet)

There are certain teams I wouldn't want to face, but this an extremely favorable matchup for us imo

[intrinsic]

Also, I really like Doomsday's follow up arguments. His creativity is effective, and I don't feel nearly as strongly about vapid's win anymore. I still think vapid's team wins, but its a lot closer than I originally gave him credit for. Well done.

[rezznor]

im gonna go against the popular consensus here and vote Doom's. I think the two teams are alot closer then people think, and actually, 8 out of 10 times, i think Vapid wins this fight. However, i dont think Vapid's team is going to be ready for Doom's team this round. I think they come in underestimating Doom's initially and think they are going to cakewalk and ultimately be defeated. Also, Flash is being presented as some kind of deus ex machina that can defeat everyone and has no weakness, and i just can't buy that. yes i know he is powerful and has demonstrated it but the circumstances have to be perfect and he ends up dieing afterward anyways. i think vapid's biggest assets are actually betta ray bill ion.

[RidonKs]

i think vapid's biggest assets are actually betta ray bill ion.
They are. But Flash is really good too.

Edit: And again, Flash really doesn't make or break the match. The rest of Vap's team being flat out more powerful than dooms does that on its own.

Edit 2: Looks like a good argument intrinsic. I'll have to review it when I get home.

[rezznor]

They are. But Flash is really good too.
im not saying flash isnt good. he is. but i dont think he is being presented accurately. every argument has been "well flash can kick blank's ass before he can even think, or activate his powers" and i cant agree with that.

[RidonKs]

im not saying flash isnt good. he is. but i dont think he is being presented accurately. every argument has been "well flash can kick blank's ass before he can even think, or activate his powers" and i cant agree with that.
I think you're right. It's silly to pretend that Flash would take out three characters before anybody else can blink (btw, Blink would have been a good pick - did anybody take her?). That's not how he operates on a regular basis.

He's still extremely powerful, and with the rest of Vap's team, particularly BRB and Sodam, I don't see the match as all that close.

[rezznor]

I think you're right. It's silly to pretend that Flash would take out three characters before anybody else can blink (btw, Blink would have been a good pick - did anybody take her?). That's not how he operates on a regular basis.

He's still extremely powerful, and with the rest of Vap's team, particularly BRB and Sodam, I don't see the match as all that close.
yea i agree that vapid's team would win this fight most of the time, however, i think the fight is a bit closer then you do. I'm just voting for Doom's in this round because I think his team will surprise Vapid's team due to unfamiliarity and overconfidence. I would not have voted for Doom's if this was a later round and the teams have observed each other.

[RidonKs]

yea i agree that vapid's team would win this fight most of the time, however, i think the fight is a bit closer then you do. I'm just voting for Doom's in this round because I think his team will surprise Vapid's team due to unfamiliarity and overconfidence. I would not have voted for Doom's if this was a later round and the teams have observed each other.
Eh, I could see that explanation if Vap's team consisted of a bunch of cocky-ass over the top villains who constantly underestimate their foes - but that's not really Vaps team in my eyes. Apart from Bats, brashness doesn't really seem like it would be an issue - and Bats probably won't be underestimating anybody. Hell, without time to prepare, Batman isn't even a huge factor in this fight apart from his on-the-fly strategy.

I see the match as a good power advantage and a great cohesion advantage for Vap, making for what can only be a solid victory in his favor. But that's just me. ;)

[rezznor]

Eh, I could see that explanation if Vap's team consisted of a bunch of cocky-ass over the top villains who constantly underestimate their foes - but that's not really Vaps team in my eyes. Apart from Bats, brashness doesn't really seem like it would be an issue - and Bats probably won't be underestimating anybody. Hell, without time to prepare, Batman isn't even a huge factor in this fight apart from his on-the-fly strategy.

I see the match as a good power advantage and a great cohesion advantage for Vap, making for what can only be a solid victory in his favor. But that's just me. ;)
you are right, maybe i am just projecting Vapid's confidence onto his team. either way, my vote is in and it probably wont make any difference regardless :oldlol:

[RidonKs]

Vapid has always given the air of a cocky-ass over-the-top villain with the tendency to underestimate his opponents.

[vapid]

Vapid has always given the air of a cocky-ass over-the-top villain with the tendency to underestimate his opponents.
lol only on ish... I tend to overestimate any real life rivals tbh.

Anyways, once again I'd like to reiterate that I've only used Flash this round as a guy who takes out one, maybe two mid level characters. But its ok, I don't really need Flash to win this round... and I understand that his reaction time might not be immediate to the threat, unlike if we have prep time (next round)

Invisible woman can still shield my team from storm's blasts (she can do it against Clone Thor), and Zatanna outclasses Magik.

ANYWAYS, the real matchup we should be discussing is Intrinshake and WTF. I still haevn't analyzed it yet, its a tough match up but lets get some other opinions.

[rezznor]

WTFaMonkey Team
1. Superman
2. Martian Manhunter
3. Thanos
4. Gladiator
5. Iceman
6. Hal Jordan GL
7. War Machine
8. Elektra

vs.

Intrinshake'sTeam:

1. Captain America
2. Phantom Stranger
3. Black Bolt
4. Quasar
5. Faith
6. Orion
7. Black Panther
8. Vision

waiting to hear WTF's argument before i vote

[intrinsic]

im gonna go against the popular consensus here and vote Doom's. I think the two teams are alot closer then people think, and actually, 8 out of 10 times, i think Vapid wins this fight. However, i dont think Vapid's team is going to be ready for Doom's team this round. I think they come in underestimating Doom's initially and think they are going to cakewalk and ultimately be defeated. Also, Flash is being presented as some kind of deus ex machina that can defeat everyone and has no weakness, and i just can't buy that. yes i know he is powerful and has demonstrated it but the circumstances have to be perfect and he ends up dieing afterward anyways. i think vapid's biggest assets are actually betta ray bill ion.

Yeah, I'm guilty of putting the Flash on an elite level. I'm not saying the flash is invincible, but he's one of the most difficult outs in the entire draft for me. When he's paired with some of the powerhouses on vapid's squad it makes him even more dangerous.
As I said on the previous page, I regret entering judgment in this match so early. Dooms did a wonderful job explaining his strategy and tactics, and it made this call considerably closer. I'd have a tough time changing my decision, but I'm in agreement with you that vapid wins a majority of battles. Actually, Doomsday's persuasion was more effective with me, and I'd give him somewhere between a 30-35% chance to win this. He's one of the players where I'm looking forward to see what he has in the next round.

[vapid]

I did some research on Phantom Stranger, and it appears he has an undefined power level that is somewhere near Spectre-level(!) But WTF has wayyy too much raw power here. Superman/Martian/GL/Gladiator will speedblitz the FCK out of half of Intrinsic's team.

I don't think Orion/Quasar is fast enoguh to defend some of the glass cannons (black bolt stranger) before WTF's guys take em out.

I think intrinsic has a great team, much better built then WTF's, but WTF's sheer power in this initial round, without prep and organization, will lead him to victory.

[DirtBag]

I vote Intrinsic

[DreamShake34]

I did some research on Phantom Stranger, and it appears he has an undefined power level that is somewhere near Spectre-level(!) But WTF has wayyy too much raw power here. Superman/Martian/GL/Gladiator will speedblitz the FCK out of half of Intrinsic's team.

I don't think Orion/Quasar is fast enoguh to defend some of the glass cannons (black bolt stranger) before WTF's guys take em out.

I think intrinsic has a great team, much better built then WTF's, but WTF's sheer power in this initial round, without prep and organization, will lead him to victory.
I think you’re vastly underrating our team here Vap. First off, the easiest way to combat the speed of WTF’s team would be to use Faith’s teleportation abilities to distance themselves from their enemies. As for his team’s supposed sheer power over ours; we’re capable of combating everything he has to throw at us. Firstly, the Martian Manhunter’s biggest weakness is fire. Vision, who I might add is one of our weaker team members, has the ability to create solar energy beams (in essence fire) which would exploit MM’s one weakness. As for Supes, Orion virtually matches him in in every major category: raw power, speed, stamina, and durability while also being in possession of the Astro Force which leaves him with a solid edge. So he’s left with only two powerhouses while all four of ours are still intact and three of them have yet to even be involved in combat.

So my vote obviously goes to team Intrinsic/Dreamshake

[wTFaMonkey]

1. Thanos vs. Orion - Orion has no powers other than the Astro force to protect himself from any kind of blasts from Thanos. Thanos has a billion techs he can use from his arsenal to blast Orion to another dimension.

2. Elektra has the ability to sense the enemies action before it happens with "mind jump". She uses this ability to tell superman where to attack stranger's vulnerable spot.

3. Panther beast Elektra. But her abilities was fatigued already from helping super man. panther wins. But in no time after beating stranger, Superman comes to fight panther and beats him with his sheer power

4. Superman easily owns stranger with the help of Elektra's "mind jump"

5. MM vs. Captain America. MM wins easily because he can turn invisible and dominate captain America with his sheer power.

6. war machine will be used as a tank with his armor and energy repulsors. Iceman, Hal Jordan and gladiator will easily mop up Quasar, faith, BB and vision while they focus on destroying war machine.



overall strategy. use Elektra's mind jump. MM uses his telepathy to send out Elektra's "Mind jump" information. Superman, Thanos and gladiator Super Blitzes the crap out of Orion, Captain America , Panther and Phantom Stranger .
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/4344/t05073oi.jpg

[tian820]

Going with monkey's team led by Superman

[rezznor]

Close fight but i pick WTF

[vapid]

Right now the vote is
Intrinshake: 2

WTF: 4

Still close, and I dunno I might change my vote because its really damn close. Phantom Stranger basically is the key here and I need to see some more feats before I'm convinced he can turn the tide. Either way though, we need some more participation!

[pete's montreux]

I made this crappy collage to use for my round, but it died down. Oh well.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/pete_rock/comicdraftcollage.jpg

[rezznor]

we need more votes or just move on to the next round.

[vapid]

Very nice pete. I would be happy to continue doing this but the participation level continues to drop. If I get enough feedback I'll continue with the tourney, or I was thinking of doing a more organized one in the same format as Donks' draft without the Marvel/DC restrictions. If you guys want to continue let me know.

[RidonKs]

It really is just too much power on wTF's squad. I was reviewing intrinsic's argument while looking at the two team listings, and I actually began leaning towards intrinsic based on comparable power and better cohesion. And while it's not nearly as favourable of a matchup as he argues (lol @ Bobby/Clark turned into a flower or Orion beating Thanos even without the infinity rings), there are certainly some advantages.

And then I realized I hadn't paid the slightest bit of attention to Hal. Hal frickin Jordan, the Green Table Turner. Even with a guy like Thanos leading, a team of Supes, Hal, J'onn, Bobby, and Gladiator is incredibly powerful, and damn near unstoppable. War Machine ain't bad either and Elektra brings hawtness.

Intrinsic's team is certainly more well-built, and even as I type this, I begin to sway in his direction. Every base is covered; fantastic leadership and strategy from Cap, a bunch of tech from BP, straight matter manipulation from Vision and Black Bolt, and pure power from Orion and Quasar, not to mention this Phantom fellas magic. It just... lacks a wee bit of power to me, especially compared to the universe busting monsters for wTF. Which is unfortuantely, because it's probably my favourite team so far, in terms of having every base covered at least. So well I will say well done to Intrinsic and whoever was his partner, I've also got to say

Winner: wTFaMonkey

[vapid]

I always was leaning toward WTF's matchup. Phantom is so powerful supposedly but never really displays that power consistently. I'm going to go for WTF winning

I'll update the next matchup, coming up soon.

[vapid]

Pete's team has a bunch of cool characters. In a fan vote, this team might be victorious. Powerwise, they are a little underpowered. Also, there are a bunch of scehemers who are weaker without prep in this round and a bunch of chaotic guys who aren't good with orders. (Hulk, Lobo especially)

Tian's team has a lot of characters I like a lot. Morph is very versatile, Thor is one of the strongest "Superman-type" guys, Dr. Fate is a great magic user, and Proteus is deadly as hell. However, Proteus is a bad bad bad guy who is not going to be happy working in a team.

I'm leaning towards Tian's team, but:

Lets get some opinions!

[Doomsday Dallas]

+1

WTF

FTW




and that's not a bad pick you made there pete... I noticed that you had a few good characters to work with to make a nice collage.

(I personally think there are 20 images on the net that are better to choose from than one you picked for the Joker... He should be in the center.)


I'm gonna try to make a collage for my movie draft.... If I have time.

[tian820]

Pete's team has a good mix of conniving bad guys, but he wouldn't have a definitive "leader" and you could see a struggle for power between guys like Doomsday, Joker and Red Skull. Add in the fact that Lobo and Hulk, 2 guys who basically can't be controlled, it's a combustive team to say the least.

That and the fact that IMHO my team could overpower his. I can't see his team taking down the likes of Thor, Fate, Proteus and Ikaris from my side. That's enough versatility in battle that I just don't see Pete's team matching up with

My stuff wins :cheers:

Edit: Good stuff Vapid, I agree with most of what you said :oldlol:

[DirtBag]

WTF gets my vote too

[rezznor]

Pete's Team
1. Joker
2. Red Skull
3. Hulk
4. Deadpool
5. Doomsday
6. Cassandra Nova
7. Henrique Manuel Gallante/Asylum/Darkling
8. Lobo

vs.

Tian's:

1. Thor
2. Spiderman
3. Ikaris
4. Dr. Fate
5. Proteus
6. Morph
7. Saturn Girl
8. Zauriel

pete has lobo, dooms, and hulk, basically 3 primal forces of nature powerhouses. may not have much in brains, but just drop them in a fight and they will wreak havoc. the problem is there may too many of those guys on his team, they wont be able to be controlled very well. although he may have an out right there with cassandra, shes a powerful telepath so she could prob easily maniplate their weak minds to nudge them into some semblance of a cohesive team. joke and skull arent going to do much damage without prep time, and i dont know who the hell darkling is.

tian's team is better balanced. he his powerhouse in thor and ikaris, magic user in fate, and telepath with saturn girl. morph and spidey round out the team well and i dunno who the hell zauriel is. the x-factor is proteus. morph and proteus combined makes him harder to beat, but it also severely limits proteus' reality powers so it also makes him alot less effective. im kind of on the fence about him and have my doubts about his effectiveness. still, i say tian's team will win this fight.

[RidonKs]

I lean toward tian as well. I'm not exactly sure Ikarus should have been allowed.

[Doomsday Dallas]

My vote = pete's montreux

[vapid]

I lean toward tian as well. I'm not exactly sure Ikarus should have been allowed.
Superman could beat Ikaris. If I allowed Strange, I'm going to allow Ikaris.

[RidonKs]

Superman could beat Ikaris. If I allowed Strange, I'm going to allow Ikaris.
You think? I don't know much about him, but he seems awfully powerful. It doesn't sound like Superman could beat him at all.

[DirtBag]

Tian

[pete's montreux]

I'm incredibly tired and going to bed soon. Will write something in the morning.

[vapid]

Ikaris is weaker than Thor/Hercules, who are on par with Superman (Ikaris is 40 tons). Ikaris's telepathy is pretty limited and I doubt he could concentrate with Supers beating on him, and he doesn't enjoy teleporting meaning it'd be hard for him to use it very effectively. I also believe Supes is slightly faster, and maybe his frozen breath would help? lol.

[tian820]

:lol I don't honestly know that much about Ikaris either, but I did some (probably minimal looking back now) research and he sounded as though he was one of the most powerful "Eternals" and I needed a guy like that at the time. Also, when I read his page on Wiki, it just appeared that he had some of the most versatile abilities out of any hero I'd seen. Can't say for certain if he'd beat Superman, but I'd imagine he could at the very least come close

[pete's montreux]

I need to get a judgment on Ikaris. After reading up on him, it sounds like he should not be allowed.



Ikaris has the ability to manipulate cosmic energy, granting him virtual invulnerability and the ability to project cosmic energy from his eyes or hands in the form of heat, light, or concussive force. The only Eternals known to outstrip him in this regard are Thena (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thena) and Zuras (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zuras), and none when functioning as a prime Eternal (except Thanos), but like his entire race, extended usage will greatly deplete him.
Ikaris has total mental control over his physical form, granting virtual immortality, including immunity to disease and aging, and regenerative powers. Note: As long as the Celestial (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celestial_%28comics%29) technology tasked with keeping him alive functions, Ikaris is given a new body when the old one is destroyed.

[RidonKs]

Eh, Thanos and Strange probably shouldn't be allowed either, among a few others. I think it might be too late, if Ikaris even is too much, which I'm not exactly sure about.


Why wasn't Despero drafted? Now there's a top notch villain with a little bit of cool factor going as well.

[pete's montreux]

Well, if going by what Vap says, the Hulk has defeated Thor with a single punch before, so Hulk > Thor, Ikaris.

[wTFaMonkey]

gah..... its a close one. but tian has magic and telepath. which could be the x factor.

tian in a close one

[RidonKs]

Well, if going by what Vap says, the Hulk has defeated Thor with a single punch before, so Hulk > Thor, Ikaris.
It's pretty close between Thor and Hulk, but based on versatility, Thor is a wee bit better. Mainly because of his badass hammer and loose hips.

[pete's montreux]

It's pretty close between Thor and Hulk, but based on versatility, Thor is a wee bit better. Mainly because of his badass hammer and loose hips.

I think you severely underestimate Hulk's abilities.

[RidonKs]

I think you severely underestimate Hulk's abilities.
Why would you think that? I didn't elaborate on them at all. lol

I know Hulk can do plenty more than just grab people and break them with his hands. But he's no Thor.

[pete's montreux]

Why would you think that? I didn't elaborate on them at all. lol

I know Hulk can do plenty more than just grab people and break them with his hands. But he's no Thor.

Hulk's power, strength and rage has no limit. It is infinite. He is physically the strongest character in the comic universe. He's wiped the floor with Thor [defeating him with a single punch], and dragged Gladiator around by his cape. He's shifted entire continental plates to save Earth, he's shattered asteroids twice the size of Earth with a single punch, and when he lost control of his body, and he almost destroyed a planet with the sheer outforce of power from his body. The Leader and Doc Samson have tried, unsuccessfully to measure his power, and Beyonder has described his strength as incalculable. He's destroyed OnSlaught, withstood energy blasts from the Silver Surfer, Thor, Thanos, Sentry, Galactus, and Exodus. Adimantium is no problem, either, having crushed it with barely any effort. He has super speed compared to the likes of Thor or the Sentry. He's shown resistance to psychic control from the likes of Proffesor Xavier, Cable, Phobos, and Xemnu the Titan. He can breathe underwater, and survive within the vacuum of space. He has an undefined mystical connection, enabling him to as an inter-dimensional nexus of reality, and has acted as a sponge for dark magic, being immune to or empowered by its effects.

The Hulk has performed feats that violate the laws of physics, even by comic book standards, such as keeping apart matter and anti-matter spheres, changing direction in mid-jump, or punching his way through a time-storm.

If both were at their peak, they would be equals. It would be a stale-mate. I might give Hulk an advantage because of his infinite rage = infinite strength. Hulk would never stop getting stronger, ever. Thor's power has limitation, Hulk's doesn't.

[vapid]

Hulk has more raw power than Thor or pretty much anyone allowed in the draft. (he is the strongest there is anyways, as he always says.) However, it takes a while for him to get angry enough to surpass Superman/Thor level, and his rage has detriments as well.

Thor on the other hand, not only has great strength, but as donks says is more versatile with Mjolnr, which allows him to fly, teleport, shoot lightning, control elements to a certain extent, etc.

But anyways, yea, if Ikaris was to go up against the Hulk, I can see the Hulk winning.

So maybe the most important part of this matchup is:

Should Thor/Ikaris go after Hulk/Doomsday first and try and take them out early before Hulk gets too mad, or focus on some of the weaker members first to get a numbers advantage?

[vapid]

Tian: 4.5

Pete: 2

About what rezznor said, Hulk has shown resistance to telepathy, and I think Lobo and Doomsday would as well, thus they really have no controller to unleash them in an effective way. Tian is going to win this unless Pete gets 3 votes by when I wake up, where I will finish this round and move to the 2nd round.

[tian820]

Good stuff and good matchup Pete either way :cheers: More opinions on this one than most of the other ones

[vapid]

Tian beats Pete.

Second Round is ready to go:

1. Now your team gets 1 day of prep.
2. New location per round.

2nd Round 1st matchup:

Location: Savage Land

Team Rezznor
1.Magneto
2. X-man
3. Loki
4. Mongol
5. Cyclops
6. Firestorm
7. Ultron
8. Damion Hellstrom

vs.

Tian's:

1. Thor
2. Spiderman
3. Ikaris
4. Dr. Fate
5. Proteus
6. Morph
7. Saturn Girl
8. Zauriel


This is a tough matchup. Rezznor's team is more powerful but lacks cohesion, with cyclops and his sorta-son (x-man) probably going to fight over leadership of the team with Magneto. Furthermore, Loki could betray them if he sees the other team winning... of course Thor will probably gun for Loki first anyways.

Tian's team has a magic advantage but a telepathic disadvantage. Can Proteus/Morph challenge X-man's warping powers? Who will stop Magneto?

[rezznor]

This fight involves prep and my team is full of strategists. I don't see any on Tian's team. Loki and Magneto are masters at it and Cyclops is one of the greatest field team leaders in the Marvel U. He has been leading his team since he was a teenager. Loki manipulate events without anyone knowing what is going on. Hell, he has even turned Thor into a frog and in present continuity, has even managed to get Thor banished from Asgard! Loki will not abandon this team, he hates Thor with a passion and knows all of Thor's weaknesses and will stop at nothing to bring him down. Tian's team does NOT have a magic advantage. They have Dr. Fate. I have Loki AND Hellstorm. Both are extremely strong with magic.

Loki has extensive training in the rites of black magic, and possesses the ability to manipulate great quantities of magical forces for a variety of purposes: energy projection, creation of force fields, temporarily increasing his own physical strength, grant superhuman abilities to living beings or inanimate objects, flight, hypnotism, illusion casting, and inter-dimensional teleportation. Apparently, Loki possesses some extrasensory abilities and is capable of astral projection and casting his thoughts across great distances, even across dimensional barriers. However, he cannot read the minds of other beings, though he can control their actions. He has been referred to as a master of magic with power exceeding Earth's Sorcerer Supreme Doctor Strange, armed with millennia of magical knowledge compared to Strange's decade.[27] Loki is also an adept shape-shifter with the ability to change both form (examples include transmogrification to a salmon, horse, etc.) and person,


As a ruler of a dimension of Hell, Hellstrom commands virtually unlimited power in his own dimension, the full details and extent of which may yet to be revealed. Potentially, he can perform virtually any magical feat.

As Hellstorm, thanks to his demonic heritage Daimon Hellstrom could sense the presence of the supernatural and could cast spells to transport himself and others into mystical dimensions and back to Earth.

Hellstorm possesses vast magical power, enhanced by the number and faith of his worshippers. He can fly or transport himself and other beings and objects (even buildings) across the planet and to other realms via travel through Hell; he can even travel through time.

He can form and shatter mystic shields, tear thoughts from minds, and heal injuries and ailments in himself or others.


X-Man is not going to fight over field leadership with Cyclops. Cyclops is the proven squad leader and X-Man knows it. The fight will probably start off with Loki manipulating Thor to get him off the board this is something Loki has been able to do time and time again. Thor may be stronger then Loki, but he is no way smarter. That takes out Tian's biggest heavy hitter. Ikaris, I will let Mongol handle. Mongol has beaten Superman to a pulp by himself, and has been able to fight off Superman, Wonder Woman, and Batman at the same time. Ikaris won't be a problem.

For Zauriel, I will let Hellstorm match up. Heaven vs. Hell, should be fun to watch. Both are powerful and could possibly be a stalemate, but Hellstorm has an ace. He can teleport himself and others to his realm. once he transports Zauriel, its game over. Zauriel loses his connection to Heaven, and thus, loses most of his power. Hellstorm cannot be beat in his realm. he takes Zauriel out and returns to help my team wipe up the rest.

Spiderman, I'm sure he's a great guy to have around, fun at parties maybe, but for a fight on this power level he is useless. He lives up to his name and is nothing but a bug waiting to be stepped on. He better hope he doesn't draw any attention because anyone of my guys could squash him in half a second.

Saturn Girl I will leave to X-Man. Both are powerful telepaths, but X-Man has telepathy AND telekinesis. They may be equal in terms of the telepathy, but Saturn Girl will not be able to withstand an assault on her mind and body (via telekinetics) at the same time.

This leaves Proteus/Morph. This is probably my toughest opponent after Thor, but here is why I will win. Proteus' biggest weakness (and the reason why I did not pick him) is his vulnerability to metal. Colossus has been able to kill him. I have Ultron who is made out of adamantium, Magneto who can control metal, and Firestorm who can turn anything he wants into metal...things don't look so hot for Proteus anymore do they?

Other reasons why my team wins: Cyclops and Magneto know the terrain. Both have spent alot of time in the savage land and Magneto has even operated a base out of there. There aren't exactly any skyscrapers for Spidey to swing from thus limiting his mobility and tactics. honestly, Spidey isn't much of a problem regardless.

My team has the superior prep, my team has the superior squad leader, and my team has the superior power. My team wins pretty convincingly.

[rezznor]

up

[vapid]

up
Tian said he was busy so i'm giving him a little more time to write something up.

[The Magic Man]

Looks like a unanimous vote for rezznor. Magic man didn't even turn up to support his own team.

Sorry dude, I do feel crappy for that. Everytime I got my mind right to type up something for this, I wound up getting into some other bullsh*t. Lol, kept saying, I'll do it tonight. Damn. I got waxed.

[tian820]

Sorry Vapid. Thought I'd have more time yesterday, but didn't really. I would write something up today, but it doesn't look like anyone's paying that much attention anyways. Rezznor did a good job with his team and argument as to why his team would win. I would refute some of them, but am hungover and don't really wanna get into it.

Will put in my vote for myself though :cheers:

[rezznor]

Sorry Vapid. Thought I'd have more time yesterday, but didn't really. I would write something up today, but it doesn't look like anyone's paying that much attention anyways. Rezznor did a good job with his team and argument as to why his team would win. I would refute some of them, but am hungover and don't really wanna get into it.

Will put in my vote for myself though :cheers:
lol cheers :cheers:i wish i could be drinking right now.

[vapid]

Well rezznor's team is hard to beat, and Tian's team doesn't really have the cohesion or strategic advantage to counterbalance Rezznor's sheer power.

I'm voting for rezznor.

[RidonKs]

I still don't see rezz's team working very well together. It's going to be iffy, with Mags and Ultron and Mongul on the same team as Cyclops and X-Man. Ehh...

With that said, once again too much power. Loki and Thor will surely attack one another off the bat, and Loki can at least keep up for a little while, before finally being defeated. But that's perhaps tian's best being occupied by rezz's, what, 4th best? Yeah, just too much power on one side. Ultron's super underrated in my eyes - he's only a small notch behind X-Man and Thor. Then Mongul and Mags on top, with a few others scattered around - I don't see it lasting too long.

Tian's team probably preps a little better considering cohesion along with Spidey and Fate, but it won't be enough.

Winner: rezznor

[Quata]

i vote rez.

[vapid]

Rezznor: 4.5

Tian: 1

[pete's montreux]

Rezz

[vapid]

Ok, Looks like Rezz won.

WTF:
1. Superman
2. Martian Manhunter
3. Thanos
4. Gladiator
5. Iceman
6. Green Lantern
7. War Machine
8. Elektra

Sizz:
1. Strange
2. Silver Surfer
3. Captain Marvel
4. Namor
5. Mr. Fantastic
6. Rachel Summers
7. Wonder Woman
8. Green Arrow

Thanos> Surfer
Captain Marvel=>Superman
Martian Manhunter+GL>Namor+Wonder Woman
But Sizz still has Strange, and Mr. Fantastic, probably the king of prep for any marvel character. Thanos is pretty dominant with prep though.

The way I see it, WTF is more top heavy, but has a weak bottom of Iceman, War Machine and Elektra. Sizz doesn't really have any weak characters except for Green Arrow, but only Surfer and Strange are exceptionally powered.

Bottom line, I'm giving it to the team with better prep options and more cohesion. I say Sizz wins.

[rezznor]

waiting for GM inputs

[pete's montreux]

I'm all about the Sizz

[RidonKs]

Sizzle without any doubt in my mind whatsoever. Although I'm not sure I'd call a backfield with Bobby in it weak.

[vapid]

Sizzle without any doubt in my mind whatsoever. Although I'm not sure I'd call a backfield with Bobby in it weak.
If Bobby was paired with a more pragmatic telepath, I wouldn't be so harsh on him. I actually love his powerset but he just doesnt utilize it efficiently. Anyways, Sizz's bottom 3 is Green Arrow, Mr. Fantastic, and.... Namor? That's tons better.

[DirtBag]

I too vote for the sizz

[tian820]

Where are Sizz and wTFa?

[Lakers13]

Damn Dirtbag, we got jobbed out in the first round? That's hilarious.

[rezznor]

Where are Sizz and wTFa?
yeh, half the fun is hearing their explanation of the fight, thats why im waiting for them to show up

[wTFaMonkey]

Ok, Looks like Rezz won.

WTF:
1. Superman
2. Martian Manhunter
3. Thanos
4. Gladiator
5. Iceman
6. Green Lantern
7. War Machine
8. Elektra

Sizz:
1. Strange
2. Silver Surfer
3. Captain Marvel
4. Namor
5. Mr. Fantastic
6. Rachel Summers
7. Wonder Woman
8. Green Arrow

Thanos> Surfer
Captain Marvel=>Superman
Martian Manhunter+GL>Namor+Wonder Woman
But Sizz still has Strange, and Mr. Fantastic, probably the king of prep for any marvel character. Thanos is pretty dominant with prep though.

The way I see it, WTF is more top heavy, but has a weak bottom of Iceman, War Machine and Elektra. Sizz doesn't really have any weak characters except for Green Arrow, but only Surfer and Strange are exceptionally powered.

Bottom line, I'm giving it to the team with better prep options and more cohesion. I say Sizz wins.

I have to agree with this explanation. But superman, mm, thanos, GL and Gladiator will most likely win their battles while war machine elektra and iceman will lose. But the count would be 5 - 3

Thanos > surfer
Superman > Captain marvel. As you can see. Superman could have easily killed Captain Marvel.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0dFl1paxDA
MM and GL manhandles namor and wonderwoman
Gladiator > Mr. fantastic
Iceman = rachel summers
Elektra will probably lose to green arrow. But you never know. She might seduce green arrow with her sexy bod :D

http://www.ugo.com/filmtv/top11-classyassassins/images/2.gif

[RidonKs]

I have to agree with this explanation. But superman, mm, thanos, GL and Gladiator will most likely win their battles while war machine elektra and iceman will lose. But the count would be 5 - 3

Thanos > surfer
Superman > Captain marvel. As you can see. Superman could have easily killed Captain Marvel.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0dFl1paxDA
MM and GL manhandles namor and wonderwoman
Gladiator > Mr. fantastic
Iceman = rachel summers
Elektra will probably lose to green arrow. But you never know. She might seduce green arrow with her sexy bod :D

http://www.ugo.com/filmtv/top11-classyassassins/images/2.gif
lol, you completely forgot to even mention Doctor Strange, who is probably the most powerful character in the match (although Thanos is close). Strange is better with prep though, mainly because of the ridiculous enchantments he can cast on certain teammates of his, boosting their powers and giving

Strange => Thanos
Surfer > Superman
Marvel < Hal
Wonder Woman = Gladiator
Reed > J'onn
Rachel = Bobby
Namor > War Machine
Green Arrow > Elektra

This thing ain't close folks. Even with cohesion aside, sizz has a CLEAR power advantage. And ridiculously nice cohesion and leadership and strategy.

[vapid]

Going to give it to Sizz. Next battle coming up shortly.

[rezznor]

givin it to sizzle

[vapid]

Final matchup of the 2nd round:

Quata
1. Sentry
2. Black Adam
3. Blackheart
4. Adam Warlock
5. Psylocke
6. Gambit
7. Ms. Marvel
8. Legion

Vapid
1. Batman
2. Flash
3. Ion
4. Exodus
5. Beta Ray Bill
6. Invisible Woman
7. Zatanna
8. Plastic Man

Ok. Heres how my team is going to pull through. First of all, Quata's team lacks cohesion. Most of them are marvel characters but only Pyslocke/Gambit and Sentry/Ms. Marvel have worked with each other to any extent. Also, you've got TWO schizo crazy guys in Sentry and Legion, and no powerful telepath to keep them under control. You also have mostly good guys along with one kinda evil ashole and one REALLY evil demon. I can't see them formulating any coherent strategy what so ever.

On my side, you have 4 regular JLA members and 1 guy who has JLA member powers. Batman is a regular leader of the JLA and will definitely find a way to utilize their powers correctly. Tech wise, I have Batman's tech and Invisible Woman's Baxter Building technology available. I don't see any from Quata's side. Maybe Warlock? Magic wise, Blackheart might possibly be a more pure powerful magic-user than Zatanna, but she's no slouch either. And I definitely see Zee giving her teammates some robust magic shields, much more than Blackheart.

Ok. Heres how I see this playing out. I'm still going to give the first move to Flash no matter what. He's the fastest guy in the whole tourney. The only thing I can see working against Flash is some good tech, and Quata's team doesn't have any here. What he is going to do is pick up Plastic Man, throw him at Ms. Marvel, and then smash Legion's face in. Plastic Man will do a great job of incapacitating Ms. Marvel, maybe choking her if possible but his main job is to take her out of the fight. Now here Flash is going to do one of two things, if he sees Warlock coming after him the only guy who could maybe catch him if hes lazy, hes going to lead him as far away from the battle as possible. If not, Flash is going to try and land one of Batman's tech darts onto the Sentry. In Tower of Babel, Ras Al Ghul used one of Batman's plans to incapacitate Wonder Woman by shooting her with one of these darts which put her in a simulated battle she couldn't win, making her fight until she died of a heart attack if not rescued. Wonder Woman has an incredibly strong willpower and mind and she couldn't tell the difference, so I don't think its a big stretch for Batman (who operates on fear) to construct a Void simulation (really just any shadowy figure who calls himself the Void) to trick Sentry who is terribly weak of mind and has no telepath to rely on.

Next, the big guns. Ion>Black Adam. I think thats pretty safe to say. Superman+GL ring vs. Magical Semi-Superman? And Ion won't hold back, he'll kill just as easily as Black Adam will. I will also take Beta Ray Bill against Sentry, Blackheart, or Adam Warlock. BRB...is pretty ridiculous. If a guy can consistently beat or match Thor, has cracked Galactus's armor, can kick Silver Surfer's ass, etc... I think he'll go against Sentry if Sentry is still around or Blackheart. Don't forget, BRB's stormbreaker is also mystical in power.

Furthermore, I think Zatanna can weaken Blackheart, she has been shown to posess artifacts that can hurt Suneaters and the Spectre, and if you look at this link she saves John Constantine from a demon. http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/3311/zatanna43yc9.jpg I also found a link where she freezes Lobo for a long long time. Could she do the same to Warlock or Ms. Marvel? I dont see why not. Zee can also do a number of things as well. She really casts spells as fast as she speaks, but can do it without speaking if necessary. Her main target is weakening Blackheart and healing her friends, giving them extra juice in the battle.

Oh yea, and while the big guys are slugging it out, you have Inivsible Woman shielding my guys to make sure they get the first hit, and making life difficult for the Adam,Sentry, Warlock whatever by trying to give them a brain hemorrage.

I haven't mentioned Psylocke and Gambit, basically because they are almost non factors. I'll take Invisible Batman over Psylocke any day, and Exodus can control' Remy's mind, and anyone else who's available, such as Ms. Marvel or Sentry's mind as well. Dont forget, Quata's team has no mental protection. So I can see one of Quata's weaker guys turning and helping my team. I'm sure one of the good guys wont mind fighting against Blackheart. Oh and Exodus is no slouch as well TK wise.

Overall, my team is far more coordinated. I believe I've typed up some realistic scenarios. I also only gave Flash the opportunity to take out 1.5 guys. Realistically, he could probably soften up Black Adam/Warlock/Blackheart before they even knew what was coming. The other big knock against Quata's team is the lack of a telepath along with some weak minds that are ripe for some Exodus mindraping.

My team wins.:D

[tian820]

With preparation this round, Flash might not be as potent. Either way, I kinda wanna see if anyone has anything to say for Quata's stuff before tossing in a final vote

Bump for QUATA

[rezznor]

With preparation this round, Flash might not be as potent. Either way, I kinda wanna see if anyone has anything to say for Quata's stuff before tossing in a final vote

Bump for QUATA
has quata even been around?

[tian820]

has quata even been around?

Well, hopefully he sees this

[RidonKs]

lol, you're overrating Flash again. And tian's right, without the prep, Flash loses what little surprise factor he had. That said, he's still very useful.

I lean towards Vap, but I'll give it a day or so to mull it over some more.

[vapid]

lol, you're overrating Flash again. And tian's right, without the prep, Flash loses what little surprise factor he had. That said, he's still very useful.

I lean towards Vap, but I'll give it a day or so to mull it over some more.
Cmon, I only let Flash really take out one guy by himself. I didn't show him stealing people's speed, giving his teammates speed, throwing infinite mass punches or travelling back in time. He is going to get the first hit because hes the fastest guy out there. Its just convenient to have the clear cut number 1 fastest guy on the team to throw the opening shot.