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konex
05-13-2009, 01:11 AM
He has 4 pts on 2-10 shooting the last 2 games with 0 assists. He is also getting killed by the opposition.

He looks really AWFUL out there and Chauncey must be licking his lips..

Dave3
05-13-2009, 01:13 AM
You think Shannon Brown can take over the starting position? I'll say he's proven he can play it well, but it might take a bit longer for Phil to change his starting point guards in the middle of the playoffs? You never know...

TryToBeUnbias
05-13-2009, 01:16 AM
fisher can do a better job on chauncey and atkins then the speed guards that the rockets have

BankShot
05-13-2009, 01:17 AM
Who else on the Lakers would start??

Jordan Farmar? Shannon Brown? Sun Yue?

rawimpact
05-13-2009, 01:17 AM
This should belong in the laker forum, but yeah... he had a bad night. I'm sure he is exhausted these last two series, he's been playing catchup. Williams is hard to guard, especially when they both know each others moves. Brooks has been playing like an allstar these last two series and has twice the speed. All i can say is :applause: good job for Fishers effort.

rawimpact
05-13-2009, 01:18 AM
Who else on the Lakers would start??

Jordan Farmar? Shannon Brown? Sun Yue?

Have you been watching the series? Shannon Brown has been GREAT for the lakers this last month.

konex
05-13-2009, 01:18 AM
You think Shannon Brown can take over the starting position? I'll say he's proven he can play it well, but it might take a bit longer for Phil to change his starting point guards in the middle of the playoffs? You never know...


IMO Shannon is the best all-around PG on the team. Farmar is a better play-maker but Shannon is stronger and plays much better defense. He is also a more versatile scorer..

rawimpact
05-13-2009, 01:20 AM
We're going to have to let Chauncey get his points, Denver is really a streaky team. Once they get going, they really GET GOING. Their bench is better than the lakers (lakers bench = overrated), but we will dominate them in the paint. If we can play like we did tonight (5/12), we will not have a problem.

magi
05-13-2009, 01:20 AM
Phil would never disrespect Fisher by benching him, until Derek comes to him and tells him that Shannon is a better man for the starting role.

Fish has done so much for this franchise during the Kobe/Shaq era and has hit so many big shots, even though he is struggling this post-season, I still think he will come through before the season is over.

ZeN
05-13-2009, 01:22 AM
Brown will get get a lot of burn against Denver because of his lenght and hops..

But its probably a definite that Fish does not lose his starting job..

raptorfan_dr07
05-13-2009, 01:24 AM
fisher can do a better job on chauncey and atkins then the speed guards that the rockets have

Chucky Atkins is in Oklahoma City :confusedshrug:

elementally morale
05-13-2009, 01:24 AM
He will start till the end of the playoffs (for the Lakers). He won't start next year.

KobeRules24
05-13-2009, 01:26 AM
fisher is our weak link, he would get abused by mo williams if we play the cavs in the finals

imdaman99
05-13-2009, 01:27 AM
Chucky Atkins is in Oklahoma City :confusedshrug:
He prob meant Anthony Carter lol

raptorfan_dr07
05-13-2009, 01:29 AM
[QUOTE=imdaman99]He prob meant Anthony Carter lol[/QUOTE

Yeah probabaly lol.

But I agree Fish is better suited to guarding somebody like Chauncey Billups than Aaron Brooks. Since the Lakers 3 peat years, Derek Fisher has had problems with quick little guards.

FashionIssues
05-13-2009, 01:33 AM
160+ playoff games is what he brings to the table. he is an asset to phil and his system. you don't relinquish that for anybody. if the season falls apart it will be considered but you don't do such adjustments this far deep.

ZeN
05-13-2009, 01:37 AM
160+ playoff games is what he brings to the table. he is an asset to phil and his system. you don't relinquish that for anybody. if the season falls apart it will be considered but you don't do such adjustments this far deep.


thats spot on why he will stay in the starting position.. he also knows a lot of small veteran tricks...

All Net
05-13-2009, 01:51 AM
Fisher is pretty much done sadly, Farmar played very well in game 3...think he should be the starter.

TryToBeUnbias
05-13-2009, 02:04 AM
Chucky Atkins is in Oklahoma City :confusedshrug:
:hammerhead: dumb moment? lol

TryToBeUnbias
05-13-2009, 02:05 AM
He prob meant Anthony Carter lol
this. i always seem to get them confused :confusedshrug:

brwnman
05-13-2009, 02:05 AM
Watch out, Fish might go out and end up with multiple double digit scoring games with solid D, shooting percentages and assist numbers to go along in the next couples of series. And the opponents will have no one except konex to blame...

jjayfive
05-13-2009, 02:38 AM
fisher has become a chucker... as much as i love fish as a person, he can't guard anyone and he isn't making shots... at least for this series..

BTrujillo
05-13-2009, 02:39 AM
we are definitely seeing the last days of Fisher as a starter...he is being abused by Brooks... but will be better matched up with Billups in the next round...his experience is invaluable as a starter but can see his time being slowly replaced...Lakers need to look into splitting time between Brown and Farmar next year or seeking another starting PG for next season...would love to see Hinrich in a Lakers uniform...he would be perfect for this team

dazed27
05-13-2009, 02:50 AM
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we are definitely seeing the last days of Fisher as a starter...he is being abused by Brooks... but will be better matched up with Billups in the next round...his experience is invaluable as a starter but can see his time being slowly replaced...Lakers need to look into splitting time between Brown and Farmar next year or seeking another starting PG for next season...would love to see Hinrich in a Lakers uniform...he would be perfect for this team

that would be real nice.....i like his d and hustle....but i really see something in brown.....

gts
05-13-2009, 02:52 AM
fish will start until the lakers get a better point gaurd..if you thinks it's farmar or brown you are horribly mistaken...

rawimpact
05-13-2009, 02:52 AM
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that would be real nice.....i like his d and hustle....but i really see something in brown.....

I agree farmar/brown is a nice future combo if they can stay consistant.

momo
05-13-2009, 03:24 AM
FOR EVER








HA!

Foster5k
05-13-2009, 03:26 AM
[QUOTE=magi

Toizumi
05-13-2009, 03:58 AM
Fish is a smart, heady veteran who has played with Phil Jackson for years and has been the starting PG on 3 championships team. Untill the Lakers trade for a high quality PG, Fish'll be starting. No PG on the roster brings the same experience and steadiness as he does. Fish is awesome :rockon:
I'll just get of his n*ts now.

Killbot
05-13-2009, 04:07 AM
He will start till the end of the playoffs (for the Lakers). He won't start next year.

This.

Figlo
06-11-2009, 11:02 PM
Let's just say Magic loose in game 7. Would you forgive him for missing probably the easiest game-winner ever?

TMT
06-11-2009, 11:06 PM
Let's just say Magic loose in game 7. Would you forgive him for missing probably the easiest game-winner ever?

I don't understand how that shot was easy at all. He was a last resort option on a lob play with .6 seconds left in regulation, he shot it over a 7 foot tall power forward with his arms also extended up in the air. Everyone acts like he missed a wide open, normal circumstances layup, but he didn't.

qrich
06-11-2009, 11:08 PM
:oldlol:

Geandily
06-11-2009, 11:09 PM
Everyone acts like he missed a wide open, normal circumstances layup

Yeah like the one right before the lob play :D

OneMoreSucka
06-11-2009, 11:12 PM
I don't understand how that shot was easy at all. He was a last resort option on a lob play with .6 seconds left in regulation, he shot it over a 7 foot tall power forward with his arms also extended up in the air. Everyone acts like he missed a wide open, normal circumstances layup, but he didn't.
That play was clearly run for Lee, though I agree with everything else. Not an easy shot by any stretch of the imagination.

TMT
06-11-2009, 11:13 PM
Yeah like the one right before the lob play :D

You can go back through the entire game and blame any player who missed a shot in that case. I believe the OP was referring to the lob play, was he not? :confusedshrug:

rezznor
06-11-2009, 11:14 PM
Let's just say Magic loose in game 7. Would you forgive him for missing probably the easiest game-winner ever?
did they forgive nick anderson?

bballer
06-11-2009, 11:14 PM
The shot was not easy at all.

Im so nba'd out
06-11-2009, 11:14 PM
Let's just say Magic loose in game 7. Would you forgive him for missing probably the easiest game-winner ever?
I would love to see you make that shot in one of the biggest games of you life, with the best player on the planet guarding you, and with only .6 seconds on the clock:confusedshrug:

wang4three
06-11-2009, 11:15 PM
Well to be fair, they did miss 5 FTs in a row that game. Blame could go all around.

TMT
06-11-2009, 11:18 PM
That play was clearly run for Lee, though I agree with everything else. Not an easy shot by any stretch of the imagination.

Looking at the play again, yeah you're right. It looks like he was the main option in that play.

Round Robin
06-11-2009, 11:22 PM
I don't understand how that shot was easy at all. He was a last resort option on a lob play with .6 seconds left in regulation, he shot it over a 7 foot tall power forward with his arms also extended up in the air. Everyone acts like he missed a wide open, normal circumstances layup, but he didn't.

Yeah, the more I watched that play the more I noticed that when he caught the ball it was at a bad angle, nearing close to behind the backboard...wasnt as easy as people made it seem, certainly not a 'gimme'

RoseCity07
06-11-2009, 11:43 PM
They will hate Gasol for goaltending the shot by shaking the backboard.

hoopaddict08
06-11-2009, 11:45 PM
How many rookies have to make a last sec play in the NBA Finals. Not many.

OneMoreSucka
06-11-2009, 11:46 PM
Sweet baby jesus that is impressive.

Showtime
06-11-2009, 11:47 PM
If only the league kept blocked shot records in it's entire history...


Russell would probably have that record.

Al Thornton
06-11-2009, 11:47 PM
Didnt keep the stat back when Wilt and Bill played, they might have gotten 20. Still ****ing impressive.

OneMoreSucka
06-11-2009, 11:48 PM
If only the league kept blocked shot records in it's entire history...


Russell would probably have that record.
Spoken like a true lakers fan :applause:

Seriously, it's ****ing impressive, whether Russell would have blocked more or not.

Give credit where credit is due.

Showtime
06-11-2009, 11:50 PM
Spoken like a true lakers fan :applause:

Seriously, it's ****ing impressive, whether Russell would have blocked more or not.

Give credit where credit is due.
I'm not a Laker fan.

And I am giving credit where credit is due. Just because they didn't keep records doesn't mean it never happened. Hakeem probably isn't the real all time leader in blocks, and Howard probably doesn't have the real record.

gyu
06-11-2009, 11:50 PM
What was the record before and who got it?

But impressive nonetheless :applause:

OneMoreSucka
06-11-2009, 11:52 PM
I'm not a Laker fan.

And I am giving credit where credit is due. Just because they didn't keep records doesn't mean it never happened. Hakeem probably isn't the real all time leader in blocks, and Howard probably doesn't have the real record.
Either way, does it matter? We can get into the arguement of eras which would result in Howard likely having 20+ blocks. It is simply irrelevant. Howard has the record and it should be recognized.

Ben Jordan
06-11-2009, 11:52 PM
well deserved, too bad he choked on the ft's though

kurple
06-11-2009, 11:52 PM
all i can say, What if he had better (good) post play????

Showtime
06-11-2009, 11:55 PM
all i can say, What if he had better (good) post play????
He'd be Alonzo Mourning.

OneMoreSucka
06-11-2009, 11:57 PM
all i can say, What if he had better (good) post play????
Give it a couple years and we'll see first hand.

sobeking
06-12-2009, 12:03 AM
He's a monster defensively... Though in this playoffs I'd not say that, in these finals, in this game 4 particularly, he's been a monster.

Now offensively he needs to get better, it seems he wants it, but the fact he wants and he's training for it doesn't mean he'll BE it.

It's still a great thing he did. Shaquille O'Neal had several Finals to have that number of blocks and Dwight, in his first one, already have the record of blocks...

branslowski
06-12-2009, 12:15 AM
They Owned me...I was pissed at them at Half, and they stepped up afterwards...They are the GREATEST 2 Talents in the NBA...:bowdown: :bowdown:

RocketGreatness
06-12-2009, 12:17 AM
If It weren't for him, the series would be tied 2-2.

Fisher was clutch all night long. And he has 3 CHAMPIONSHIP RINGS LOOKING FOR HIS 4TH. :hammertime:

DuMa
06-12-2009, 12:19 AM
the next game you're just gonna bash them again when they go 4-16. shut up fairweather fan.

Noob Saibot
06-12-2009, 12:20 AM
Gotta admit, the man is ice cold clutch, probably moreso than Kobe.

andgar923
06-12-2009, 12:21 AM
I NEVER understood why Kobe fans hate him or diminish him.

I've always picked him to go to war over any other pg in the league (yes any pg).

His quickness isn't as good as it used to be, and his shooting suffers at times.

But you can always depend on him.

Its the 7th game of the NBA Finals, 4th quarter, tied game, 30 seconds on the clock, comes down to the last 2 possessions of the game.

Is there anybody you'd rather have as your pg?

Kiddlovesnets
06-12-2009, 12:21 AM
But the Magic lost, the record is worthless now.

bballer
06-12-2009, 12:22 AM
He was always my favorite laker!

DonDadda59
06-12-2009, 12:22 AM
fairweather fan indeed, congratulations on your championship...

Noob Saibot
06-12-2009, 12:22 AM
The Lakers look like geniuses when they mesh up players as talented as this team is. but yea Ariza/Fisher>>>>>Kobe.

RocketGreatness
06-12-2009, 12:23 AM
I NEVER understood why Kobe fans hate him or diminish him.

I've always picked him to go to war over any other pg in the league (yes any pg).

His quickness isn't as good as it used to be, and his shooting suffers at times.

But you can always depend on him.

Its the 7th game of the NBA Finals, 4th quarter, tied game, 30 seconds on the clock, comes down to the last 2 possessions of the game.

Is there anybody you'd rather have as your pg?
Lakers are my 2nd favorite team behind my Rockets. However, Kobe-Only fans hate him not Laker fans. I'm sure Laker fans get frustrated with him now and then.

But only Kobe-ONLY fans hate him because he doesn't pass him the ball as frequently as others.

BFRESH44
06-12-2009, 12:24 AM
Hits like a gazillion threes in game 5 of the 01 Finals? .04? Tonight?

Why do Faker fans hate this dude again? Because of a few rough patch shooting nights every now and then? :oldlol:

Hotlantadude81
06-12-2009, 12:25 AM
They Owned me...I was pissed at them at Half, and they stepped up afterwards...They are the GREATEST 2 Talents in the NBA...:bowdown: :bowdown:


Gee Whiz... Not everybody is the leech that Fisher is. Making a career off other players talents. Put Fisher on a team as a go-to guy and we'll see how good he really is.

shlver
06-12-2009, 12:28 AM
Everything against Fisher I said I take back.

dbugz
06-12-2009, 12:29 AM
9 blocks is worthless if you can't make the most important free throws of the game :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

Dude sucks big time in the offensive end :banghead:

danumber88
06-12-2009, 12:29 AM
What the hell? is the feel-good mood that you came to say Ariza/Fisher >> Kobe?

NExt game Kobe outshines Ariza/Fisher.. then what? :oldlol:

ronron15
06-12-2009, 12:29 AM
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/4497/11782462707c64b6a6c.th.jpg (http://img23.imageshack.us/i/11782462707c64b6a6c.jpg/)

:hammertime: :hammertime: :hammertime:

97 bulls
06-12-2009, 12:30 AM
why didnt he play alston in the second half. terrible terrible decision by van gundy.

YAWN
06-12-2009, 12:31 AM
the next game you're just gonna bash them again when they go 4-16. shut up fairweather fan.

well they were 1-14 before the half. im glad they stayed with it and the averages worked themselves out.

and fisher is one clutch mofo

lakers_forever
06-12-2009, 12:32 AM
I love you Fisher!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 :rockon: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

sobeking
06-12-2009, 12:32 AM
But the Magic lost, the record is worthless now.

LOL why? The Magic lost as a team.

Noob Saibot
06-12-2009, 12:33 AM
i guess Stan Van Gundy truly is the master of panic.

04mzwach
06-12-2009, 12:34 AM
The Magic would be up 3-1 if they weren't missing so many free throws from guys that are expected to make the majority of them. It's pathetic.

schism206
06-12-2009, 12:34 AM
I think it was more the poor free throw shooting that did them in more than anything. All Howard had to do was make a lousy 1 out of 2 and the game was basically sealed.

GUUS
06-12-2009, 12:34 AM
I agree. I cant believe so many Lakers fans wanted him benched. DID THEY FORGET ALL HE HAS DONE FOR US??? I hate that kind of lakers fan, no loyalty to anyone accept Kobe.

Fisher is a Laker Legend. So many clutch shots. So influential. He knows how to win. His stats don't show it, but I would rather have him as PG than any other PG in the league. All around solid game, smart veteran plays, experience, he just has it all.

I love Fish

Micku
06-12-2009, 12:35 AM
FTs cost Magic the game.

GUUS
06-12-2009, 12:36 AM
Shaq was right about Van Gundy he falls apart under pressure. Poor guy, you can tell he works so hard and wants it so bad, he just cracks. Overcoaching this series way too much. Contrast him with Phil who everyone says is 'doing nothing' lol isnt making the right choices and keeping calm and the team calm under pressure the most you can do as a coach?

NBASTATMAN
06-12-2009, 12:36 AM
FISHER IS THE SECOND BEST 3 POINT SHOOTER IN PLAYOFF HISTORY... Stop complaining about the dude..

Showtime
06-12-2009, 12:37 AM
Stan didn't miss FT's. If Dwight and Hedo don't choke at the line, this series is 2-2.

SRZ66
06-12-2009, 12:40 AM
lol u dont know anything. nelson playing had absolutely nothing to do with the magic losing. they cant hit a free throw at all. nelson played great during the final quarter

GUUS
06-12-2009, 12:40 AM
I NEVER understood why Kobe fans hate him or diminish him.

I've always picked him to go to war over any other pg in the league (yes any pg).

His quickness isn't as good as it used to be, and his shooting suffers at times.

But you can always depend on him.

Its the 7th game of the NBA Finals, 4th quarter, tied game, 30 seconds on the clock, comes down to the last 2 possessions of the game.

Is there anybody you'd rather have as your pg?
I know, it must be Kobe only fans who hate him. All my friends who are lakers fans have never said a bad word about him.

And when you look at the facts, Fisher has hit more big time clutch time shots for the organization than Kobe has.

He would make a good Finals MVP, he is a true legend, but despite Kobe's poor shooting, he is making great passes and rebounding and still getting 30ppg.

Kobe should get finals MVP for sure but Fish should get runners up.

I hope he stays around with us a few more years, even just to be our backup or third PG. He is just such a great locker room and on court leader.

imdaman99
06-12-2009, 12:40 AM
Lets not get ahead of ourselves lol. Every championship team needs a stud or two with great role players. 1 or 2 great players alone will not win it all without help from the role players. Tonight Ariza and Fish were worth their weight in gold. Last year it was Posey and PJ Brown and House.

john_d
06-12-2009, 12:40 AM
No way in hell lakers wanna win it in Orlando.

Staples here we come. :hammertime:

Hotlantadude81
06-12-2009, 12:41 AM
The players missed several free throws. It never fails to amaze me that millionaire basketball players can't even make free throws. Amazing.

justin43
06-12-2009, 12:41 AM
No. SVG was not at fault. The one at fault is Dwight Howard and his 14-27 free throw shooting.:oldlol:

Kingwillball
06-12-2009, 12:41 AM
15 missed FT's a ridiculous amount of turnovers.. Keeping Nelson in the gm the whole 4th qtr and OT..unacceptable. To top it off Van Gundy traps on that last second 3 to tie it..Terrible Choke by coach AND players.

DonDadda59
06-12-2009, 12:41 AM
How is this on Van Gundy? All the Magic had to do to win the game was hit 1 or 2 free throws and play a little defense, they did neither. Stan has called a great series, if I have a complaint- he should've called for someone to foul before the Lakers got a chance to even take that 3 by Fisher. But then again that shot wouldn't have mattered if that clown D-Howard could make ONE clutch free throw.

The Magic are one layup (perfect play call by Van Gundy) and a free throw (Hedo and Dwight both choked) from having a 3-1 series lead. But it's not the idiot players blowing it, it's Van Gundy right? :rolleyes:

BallPhunk
06-12-2009, 12:41 AM
Gee Whiz... Not everybody is the leech that Fisher is. Making a career off other players talents. Put Fisher on a team as a go-to guy and we'll see how good he really is.

I'm actually embarassed for you.

PistonsFan#21
06-12-2009, 12:41 AM
I NEVER understood why Kobe fans hate him or diminish him.

I've always picked him to go to war over any other pg in the league (yes any pg).

His quickness isn't as good as it used to be, and his shooting suffers at times.

But you can always depend on him.

Its the 7th game of the NBA Finals, 4th quarter, tied game, 30 seconds on the clock, comes down to the last 2 possessions of the game.

Is there anybody you'd rather have as your pg?

Chauncey Billups...

Undisputed
06-12-2009, 12:42 AM
That was really odd how Stan didn't bring Alston back. I agree that free throws is what really lost the game for the Magic, but not bringing Alston back and refusing to foul on the possession where Fisher tied the game with a three was really stupid. Too bad for Orlando fans. L.A. has this series unless something spectacular happens.

Blue_Dog45
06-12-2009, 12:43 AM
Hits like a gazillion threes in game 5 of the 01 Finals? .04? Tonight?

Why do Faker fans hate this dude again? Because of a few rough patch shooting nights every now and then? :oldlol:

He downright SUCKED for a long time (this season). During games, I used to pray that the Lakers wouldn't give him or Vujacic the ball. It was either going to be a brick or an airball.

I always liked him though. And he just about made up for all of his bricks and missed layups with tonight's performace.

:bowdown: Fisher.

andgar923
06-12-2009, 12:43 AM
Lakers are my 2nd favorite team behind my Rockets. However, Kobe-Only fans hate him not Laker fans. I'm sure Laker fans get frustrated with him now and then.

But only Kobe-ONLY fans hate him because he doesn't pass him the ball as frequently as others.

I know, that's what I mentioned.

Reporter: Phil, armchair critics are saying Fish is too old, too slow, he's lost his shot. But you have always been his staunchest defender. What is it about him, that gives you confidence to be able to put him out there in those situations?

Phil: Well, its character you know. We always said that uh.... the character's gotta be in players, if they're gonna be great players. You just can't draft it, its not about athletic talent its about character in people.

Which is along the lines of what we keep saying.

Athletic talent counts for only so much.

schism206
06-12-2009, 12:43 AM
Lee had a difficult shot, certainly makable... but it's not like it was a free throw...

I think they would be less likely to forgive Turkoglu and Howard for their god awful free throw shooting, especially late in the game... Howard is a little less responsible because he's not that good to begin with, but man... all he had to do was make 1 of 2 to seal the game. Turkoglu is 85% and missed like 4 out of 5 in the 4th.

GUUS
06-12-2009, 12:44 AM
How is this on Van Gundy? All the Magic had to do to win the game was hit 1 or 2 free throws and play a little defense, they did neither. Stan has called a great series, if I have a complaint- he should've called for someone to foul before the Lakers got a chance to even take that 3 by Fisher. But then again that shot wouldn't have mattered if that clown D-Howard could make ONE clutch free throw.

The Magic are one layup (perfect play call by Van Gundy) and a free throw (Hedo and Dwight both choked) from having a 3-1 series lead. But it's not the idiot players blowing it, it's Van Gundy right? :rolleyes:
You have to understand for all the missed freethrows Magic got, they also outshot LA in freethrows like 35-12 despite LA driving just as much as them, so those missed freethrows=the basketball gods spreading justice.

Look at how Pietrus fell apart at the end.

I have no idea why Rafer didn't come in. Stan must have no trust in him at all, even when he plays amazing.

Stan has made some brilliant play calls, like the courtney lee call, but also some bad ones, particularly with his rotation, which has been awful

shortlunatic
06-12-2009, 12:44 AM
ite ill agree with most when they say missed FTs cost the game, but you're lying if you dont think Alston should have been playing instead of Nelson. Its ridiculous that a player who missed 4 months is gonna play down the strecth over the guy who got them there to begin with. Clearly it was a mix of all it that cost this team the game...

Noob Saibot
06-12-2009, 12:45 AM
The players missed several free throws. It never fails to amaze me that millionaire basketball players can't even make free throws. Amazing.

^college would've help some guys like Howard or Turk, huh?

Babalu
06-12-2009, 12:46 AM
http://www.e-imagesite.com/Files/clutch1448045.jpg

Allstar24
06-12-2009, 12:46 AM
Who are these imaginary Kobe fans that "hate" Fish? The other day, someone made a thread about how Kobe fans hate Gasol :oldlol: They are probably two of the most liked guys on this team.

Fish= hero of the game. He is so ****ing clutch, no wonder Phil has so much confidence in him.

vert48
06-12-2009, 12:46 AM
SVG just admitted that he was shocked that the Lakers took the ball full court with 11 seconds left. They expected it to be half court, so the D was designed for a half court play. Brilliant call by Jackson, and a ridiculous play by Fisher.

YAWN
06-12-2009, 12:47 AM
fisher is clutch. the reason he gets some crticism is because while he seems to shoot 80% in crucial situations. he shoots 20% on layups on any other occasion.

ive never seen another player miss as many layups as derek fisher. but with that said, i appreciate how good he has been for us since 96

Avaj
06-12-2009, 12:47 AM
Thank you Fisher and also thank you Gasol for running like an olympic sprint runner to seal the deal :D

Killer_Instinct
06-12-2009, 12:47 AM
Fisher is amazing. The guy lives for the thrill of the moment. The "Kobe only fans" hate him statement is bull****. I've always appreciated this guy and what he does. He's the one guy who has the balls to take a (clutch)shot and not deferring to Kobe. Fish and Ariza are the reason this game was won, and it's no question. Fisher is amazing, and I'm glad he's on my side.

ronron15
06-12-2009, 12:47 AM
foul shots cost them the game. period

Hotlantadude81
06-12-2009, 12:47 AM
I'm actually embarassed for you.

What can Fisher do other than shoot open 3's? He's an average passer at best for a PG, his defense isn't all that good either. He's made a career off open shots that star players create for him. If you're embarassed by facts, you got a problem.

97 bulls
06-12-2009, 12:48 AM
im just sayn, with alston at the point they go into halftime with a 12 point lead. why the panic? i think words were said and he just didnt play him. his ego cost them an opportunity for a ring.

YAWN
06-12-2009, 12:48 AM
youre going to bet against the team you claim to be a fan of? :wtf:

Lebron23
06-12-2009, 12:48 AM
http://www.nba.com/media/history/magic_anderson_88.jpg

http://www.nba.com/media/act_nick_anderson.jpg

The Magic Man
06-12-2009, 12:48 AM
GTFO all you fools saying Kobe only fans wanted Fish benched. Laker fans who wanted to win wanted him benched. It wasn't just that he was stinkin it up, it's that he was stinkin it up AND Farmar and Brown were playing well. With that said...

FIIIIIISHEEEEEEERRRRR!!!!!!

Also, I don't give a sh*t if Kobe scores 6 points the next game, as long as we get that title baby!!!!

GUUS
06-12-2009, 12:50 AM
Yep. Everyone always says jackson does nothing all series long. Idiots. He is not flashy like Van Gundy, running up and down the court screaming and yelling, but when you need a brilliant play call and calmness in the huddle Phil always comes up huge.

Media needs to stop hating on Phil and finally give him credit, hopefully they will after that brilliant play at the end to fish.

OneMoreSucka
06-12-2009, 12:50 AM
Ridiculous. Another gem of a thread on ISH.

andgar923
06-12-2009, 12:51 AM
I love the denial.

I guess you guys haven't been around long enough, to notice this.

Believe me... I've seen it plenty of times.

imdaman99
06-12-2009, 12:52 AM
What can Fisher do other than shoot open 3's? He's an average passer at best for a PG, his defense isn't all that good either. He's made a career off open shots that star players create for him. If you're embarassed by facts, you got a problem.
He's a winner. Everywhere he's gone, he's played in the clutch. He is a role player and while he does suck for a lot of the year, you gotta put him in the same boat as Robert Horry.

Now quit embarrassing yourself.

GUUS
06-12-2009, 12:53 AM
Who are these imaginary Kobe fans that "hate" Fish? The other day, someone made a thread about how Kobe fans hate Gasol :oldlol: They are probably two of the most liked guys on this team.

Fish= hero of the game. He is so ****ing clutch, no wonder Phil has so much confidence in him.
Um every game thread, idiot lakers fans who must have started watching the team two years ago, calling for Fish to be benched over scrubs like Farmar

YAWN
06-12-2009, 12:54 AM
I love the denial.

I guess you guys haven't been around long enough, to notice this.

Believe me... I've seen it plenty of times.

in case you haven't noticed, most teams fans criticize a player when they are struggling. no matter the player, no matter the team, no matter the sport. its just how it is. no need to pick one occasion and make a big deal out of it.

momo
06-12-2009, 12:55 AM
Timely thread. Gotta love Lil Rock, even if he is 48 years old. The new grandmama. He is going to have a heck of a hi lite real when he is done.

http://hingedman.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/040513_derekfisher_vmed_8pwidec.jpg

Hotlantadude81
06-12-2009, 12:56 AM
He's a winner. Everywhere he's gone, he's played in the clutch. He is a role player and while he does suck for a lot of the year, you gotta put him in the same boat as Robert Horry.

Now quit embarrassing yourself.

F8ck Jesus. The Lakers assistant coaches are winners also. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Put Fisher on a mediocre team he'll be nothing more than the 40% shooting no passing "PG" that he is.

97 bulls
06-12-2009, 12:56 AM
i think if alston plays the bulk of the second half, they dont even need to worry about that last play cuz the magic were handing it to the lakers. but that fisher shot was solely on nelson.

Lebron23
06-12-2009, 12:57 AM
clutch

tastystaci
06-12-2009, 12:57 AM
im just sayn, with alston at the point they go into halftime with a 12 point lead. why the panic? i think words were said and he just didnt play him. his ego cost them an opportunity for a ring.

Alston was also on the floor when the Lakers had a 30 -14 third qtr also. WTF does that mean? Jameer was playing a good floor game in the fourth. Why bring a cold Rafer Alston? This game was a lot of things, but SVG's fault it wasn't.:no: Horrible free throw shooting, and horrible decision by Jameer to not crowd D-Fish on that tying trey. Nothing else.

imdaman99
06-12-2009, 12:57 AM
Yeah, I'm sure Alston must have done/said something to SVG. He was playing pretty well in the 1st half.

RocketGreatness
06-12-2009, 12:57 AM
You guys...

There is a huge difference between a Kobe-ONLY Fan and a Lakers fan. Laker fans will cheer for the Lakers regardless of Kobe being on the team. Kobe fans on the other hand will stalk Kobe and demand the team he is playing for to be traded if He's not getting his stats and not winning.

You can be a Kobe fan and a Laker fan, but you can't be a Kobe-ONLY FAN AND A LAKER ONLY FAN.

rawimpact
06-12-2009, 12:58 AM
youre going to bet against the team you claim to be a fan of? :wtf:

just cause we're laker fans doesn't mean we would always bet on the lakers... as much as i want the lakers to win game 5, i don't think magic are going to let them have it.

Al Thornton
06-12-2009, 12:59 AM
He's garbage now. Hit a few shots but Ariza could've hit those he was wide open.

purple8gold
06-12-2009, 12:59 AM
DFish keeps this team sane. He is the glue that keeps all the pieces together. :cheers:

Babalu
06-12-2009, 12:59 AM
Stan didnt lose the game for the magic, Dwights two donks did.

Up 3
11 seconds left
Superman shooting 2 freethrows to seal the deal.

*donk*
*donk*

Fisher hits the 3 and lakers win in OT

http://www.e-imagesite.com/Files/sircharles5533916.jpg

lakers_forever
06-12-2009, 01:01 AM
No way in hell lakers wanna win it in Orlando.

Staples here we come. :hammertime:

:confusedshrug: :banghead:

Let's win Game 5. How can a true fan wants us to lose the next game?? Let's win the title as soon as we can.

purple8gold
06-12-2009, 01:01 AM
Diehard here, so I would never bet against my own, never have, never will. But I agree, I for one, do not want to close the series in ORL. Bring it home, boys! :cheers:

amfirst
06-12-2009, 01:03 AM
LEBRON > KOBE

kobe plays garbage and his team wins. lebron does everything he can while putting up historical numbers and his team cant hit ****ing open jumpers

So u would trade Mo for Fish?

I thought so...

LeBron got sweep by the Spurs and almost by Orlando. Too bad he can't make his team mates good enough to win.

Kobe >> LeBroom

GUUS
06-12-2009, 01:03 AM
in case you haven't noticed, most teams fans criticize a player when they are struggling. no matter the player, no matter the team, no matter the sport. its just how it is. no need to pick one occasion and make a big deal out of it.
um most teams dont criticize that player when they have hit some of the biggest shots in that teams entire history.

I mean honestly if you are a true Lakers fan, I thought you would have remembered all those big shots Fisher has hit for us his entire career, and realize that's why he's on the court even if he misses a few jumpers in the first half.

Hopefully now you will give the Laker legend the respect he deserves.

Honestly, bench Fisher, some posters on this board are idiots, I seriously wonder if they are even from LA, I have never heard anyone from LA in real life criticize Fish so much or call for him to be benched.

I am a lakers fan. Understand people, that Fisher has hit more big time clutch shots for us than Kobe Bryant has. Think about it people. It's a fact.

Stevenson1082
06-12-2009, 01:03 AM
I'm grateful for for what Derek Fisher has contributed to the Laker organization since 96... but let's be serious here..... Younger and faster PG's were killing Fish all season long and in the playoffs. The game hasn't completely passed him by as evidence in tonight's clutch(and probably last clutch)performance.


I say call it a career after this season..... A job and career well done, sir.

Allstar24
06-12-2009, 01:04 AM
Um every game thread, idiot lakers fans who must have started watching the team two years ago, calling for Fish to be benched over scrubs like Farmar
The same way they were calling for Kobe to be benched in game 3 when he kept turning the ball over? :confusedshrug: You have to realize that Laker fans are very quick to react. Nobody is free from getting bashed...not Kobe, not Fish, not Pau.

andgar923
06-12-2009, 01:04 AM
in case you haven't noticed, most teams fans criticize a player when they are struggling. no matter the player, no matter the team, no matter the sport. its just how it is. no need to pick one occasion and make a big deal out of it.

Dude.... lets be serious here, and cut the bs.

Kobe fans dislike Fish no matter what.

They dreaded when he came back to the Lakers, they hate him being on the team, they criticize him any chance they get, they'd be willing to make a trade asap, they can't wait for him to retire.

I know this, because I'm constantly arguing with them!

Whether its real life or online, the KOBE stans don't like him. And like they do with other players, use him as an scapegoat.

Of course you guys don't notice this, but every non Laker or Kobe stan sees this.

Just how Kobe stans can't fathom why anybody would hate Kobe, and say silly sh!t like...."they hate him because he's good" or my fav "They hate him because he's a threat to Jordan."

schism206
06-12-2009, 01:06 AM
Is it just me or is it incredibly frustrating to watch Howard on offense for this reason alone... He always brings the ball down when he catches entry passes no matter how deep his position or who is guarding him...

Last game he had a mismatch vs Kobe... he caught it deep in the paint, brought the ball down and Kobe fouled him immediately preventing an easy dunk/lay in. If he had watched the tape and learned from it, he wouldn't have done the EXACT same thing tonight. Instead Kobe was able to foul him and put him on the line instead of an easy 2 at the least if he had just sensed the mismatch off the pick and roll (which he wasn't even part of) when he caught the ball, and kept it high, and turned right around for a dunk/layin.

Thats the difference between an easy 2 and possibly an and 1 as opposed to giving the defense time to foul him and putting him on the line for what ended up being misses.

By just practicing and learning that one fundamental alone could make him so much better offensively.

sobeking
06-12-2009, 01:08 AM
Stan Van Gundy is one of the villains for the Magic. Why he keeps playing Nelson and Alston, who's playing so well, is in the bench?
In Game 2, why suddenly JJ Redick become the go-to guy in the fourth quarter?
Stan Van Gundy is making a lot of questionable decisions.

I think Howard was bad at those Free Throws, it's true, but he's never been that good anyway and if it was Shaquille O'Neal, a guy that won several championships, it wouldn't be much different...

I think anyway the Lakers are a better team, but the Magic could still win this, but these ldetails are costing them the ring.

GUUS
06-12-2009, 01:09 AM
The same way they were calling for Kobe to be benched in game 3 when he kept turning the ball over? :confusedshrug: You have to realize that Laker fans are very quick to react. Nobody is free from getting bashed...not Kobe, not Fish, not Pau.
I'm a Lakers fan my whole life, from LA.

Don't explain to me like I dont understand my people. All the Lakers fans I ever met are loyal to the lakers.

All these Kobe fans on the internet are unlike any Lakers fans I have ever met.

Fisher is a Laker legend. He has hit more playoff clutch shots than Kobe Bryant ever has. It is completely disrespectful for all he's done for us to call for him to be benched. I feel disgusted whenever I read 'lakers fans' saying stuff like that.

I repeat, my family, all lakers fans, all my friends, random lakers fans i meet watching games in bars, I've never heard anyone say a bad word about Fish or call for him to be benched. It's only the clowns on this website.

amfirst
06-12-2009, 01:09 AM
Don't do it. The Magics look deflated after this lost and may not try as hard knowing that it is almost impossible to win the series.

jmill
06-12-2009, 01:10 AM
LEBRON > KOBE

kobe plays garbage and his team wins. lebron does everything he can while putting up historical numbers and his team cant hit ****ing open jumpers

30/5/5 in the playoffs, 1 win away

Keep hating, you just make it more satisfying for Laker fans : )

rawimpact
06-12-2009, 01:10 AM
Now lets see what the responces are.

Allstar24
06-12-2009, 01:11 AM
I'm a Lakers fan my whole life, from LA.

Don't explain to me like I dont understand my people. All the Lakers fans I ever met are loyal to the lakers.

All these Kobe fans on the internet are unlike any Lakers fans I have ever met.

Fisher is a Laker legend. He has hit more playoff clutch shots than Kobe Bryant ever has. It is completely disrespectful for all he's done for us to call for him to be benched. I feel disgusted whenever I read 'lakers fans' saying stuff like that.

I repeat, my family, all lakers fans, all my friends, random lakers fans i meet watching games in bars, I've never heard anyone say a bad word about Fish or call for him to be benched. It's only the clowns on this website.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

I stopped reading after that. Give it a rest already dude, nobody's buying it.

Noob Saibot
06-12-2009, 01:11 AM
So u would trade Mo for Fish?

I thought so...

LeBron got sweep by the Spurs and almost by Orlando. Too bad he can't make his team mates good enough to win.

Kobe >> LeBroom

put Kobe on the Cavs and see if you get the same results. and Mo Williams is better than Derek Fisher, except in clutch moments like tonight.

jmill
06-12-2009, 01:11 AM
Oh, and Kobe's has had at least 8 assists in the last 6 games in a row.

Weeeeeeeee

RocketGreatness
06-12-2009, 01:11 AM
Dwight Howard can only improve on those little things on offense. He'll never be a player you can run through offensively. The only thing he can be better at on offense is a better finisher and that's about it. The only way he can be better at finishing is by leaving the ball up high. That's really it.

He's still the 2nd best center in the NBA and a Top 10 player though, It will only be time before he becomes a Top 5 player.

OneMoreSucka
06-12-2009, 01:11 AM
As long as he is a Laker, he will start. Guaranteed.

DonDadda59
06-12-2009, 01:12 AM
I saw a few videos once claiming REAL Lakers fans hate Derek Fisher and showing how bad of a player he is, not passing the ball to Kobe. A few jumpers later, he's the GOAT. Like Magic (yes, pun intended) those videos disappeared tonight after the game...

Fairweather fans :oldlol:

andgar923
06-12-2009, 01:12 AM
I'm a Lakers fan my whole life, from LA.

Don't explain to me like I dont understand my people. All the Lakers fans I ever met are loyal to the lakers.

All these Kobe fans on the internet are unlike any Lakers fans I have ever met.

Fisher is a Laker legend. He has hit more playoff clutch shots than Kobe Bryant ever has. It is completely disrespectful for all he's done for us to call for him to be benched. I feel disgusted whenever I read 'lakers fans' saying stuff like that.

I repeat, my family, all lakers fans, all my friends, random lakers fans i meet watching games in bars, I've never heard anyone say a bad word about Fish or call for him to be benched. It's only the clowns on this website.


I agree.

ONLY Kobe stans say he sucks.

I've been around them all my entire life, its not just the net.

Hotlantadude81
06-12-2009, 01:12 AM
He hits a couple of shots, but overall he is a mediocre basketball player. What's he shooting for the series? Like 35%?

amfirst
06-12-2009, 01:12 AM
Is it just me or is it incredibly frustrating to watch Howard on offense for this reason alone... He always brings the ball down when he catches entry passes no matter how deep his position or who is guarding him...

Last game he had a mismatch vs Kobe... he caught it deep in the paint, brought the ball down and Kobe fouled him immediately preventing an easy dunk/lay in. If he had watched the tape and learned from it, he wouldn't have done the EXACT same thing tonight. Instead Kobe was able to foul him and put him on the line instead of an easy 2 at the least if he had just sensed the mismatch off the pick and roll (which he wasn't even part of) when he caught the ball, and kept it high, and turned right around for a dunk/layin.

Thats the difference between an easy 2 and possibly an and 1 as opposed to giving the defense time to foul him and putting him on the line for what ended up being misses.

By just practicing and learning that one fundamental alone could make him so much better offensively.

That's because he likes to wind up to get and smashing jam, it's not bad as long as u hit your free throws.

Lebron23
06-12-2009, 01:13 AM
Konex jinxed Derek Fisher, and He improved his performance in the NBA Finals.

GUUS
06-12-2009, 01:13 AM
:roll: :roll: :roll:

I stopped reading after that. Give it a rest already dude, nobody's buying it.
you're a clown. An absolute clown, I'm guessing from Arizona. Seriously clown, which part of LA are you from?

You don't know shit about the Lakers.

YAWN
06-12-2009, 01:13 AM
um most teams dont criticize that player when they have hit some of the biggest shots in that teams entire history.

I mean honestly if you are a true Lakers fan, I thought you would have remembered all those big shots Fisher has hit for us his entire career, and realize that's why he's on the court even if he misses a few jumpers in the first half.

Hopefully now you will give the Laker legend the respect he deserves.

Honestly, bench Fisher, some posters on this board are idiots, I seriously wonder if they are even from LA, I have never heard anyone from LA in real life criticize Fish so much or call for him to be benched.

I am a lakers fan. Understand people, that Fisher has hit more big time clutch shots for us than Kobe Bryant has. Think about it people. It's a fact.

yes they do, see david ortiz in boston. the guys that were calling for fisher to benched outright are indeed fukcing stupid.

i dont think anyone can diminish what fisher has accomplished and will continue to accomplish for this lakers team for as long as he decides to play for. truly one of the most clutch players in this franchises history.

Hotlantadude81
06-12-2009, 01:13 AM
Now lets see what the responces are.

My response would be just as it would be before the 4th period tonight. I'm not a fickle person. And let's face it, his big moment tonight only happened because of the other teams stupidity.

GUUS
06-12-2009, 01:14 AM
I posted this in the appreciation thread, but it applies to this one too.


I'm a Lakers fan my whole life, from LA.

Don't explain to me like I dont understand my people. All the Lakers fans I ever met are loyal to the lakers.

All these Kobe fans on the internet are unlike any Lakers fans I have ever met.

Fisher is a Laker legend. He has hit more playoff clutch shots than Kobe Bryant ever has. It is completely disrespectful for all he's done for us to call for him to be benched. I feel disgusted whenever I read 'lakers fans' saying stuff like that.

I repeat, my family, all lakers fans, all my friends, random lakers fans i meet watching games in bars, I've never heard anyone say a bad word about Fish or call for him to be benched. It's only the clowns on this website.

Al Thornton
06-12-2009, 01:14 AM
Yep most selfish game I've ever seen until the elbow on Jameer. Seriously Jerry Buss get in their and tell him. It worked for Donald Sterling.

brantonli
06-12-2009, 01:15 AM
Konex jinxed Derek Fisher, and He improved his performance in the NBA Finals.

Agreed! The Konex curse is finally back.

branslowski
06-12-2009, 01:15 AM
fairweather fan indeed, congratulations on your championship...

Fairweather these nuts....And thanks.:D

:oldlol: At How a Laker fan isn't allowed to bash his own players when he gets pissed at them...There must be Fairweather coaches too...when they chew a guy out on the sideline and then is proud after they play good..

Well, Guess none of you guy's ever cussed out your fav team when they were sucking and then cheered when they got it going...Owell...:banana: :banana:

justin43
06-12-2009, 01:15 AM
Derek Fisher, thanks for hitting those clutch 3-pointers.:applause: :cheers:

YAWN
06-12-2009, 01:15 AM
Dude.... lets be serious here, and cut the bs.

Kobe fans dislike Fish no matter what.

They dreaded when he came back to the Lakers, they hate him being on the team, they criticize him any chance they get, they'd be willing to make a trade asap, they can't wait for him to retire.

I know this, because I'm constantly arguing with them!

Whether its real life or online, the KOBE stans don't like him. And like they do with other players, use him as an scapegoat.

Of course you guys don't notice this, but every non Laker or Kobe stan sees this.

Just how Kobe stans can't fathom why anybody would hate Kobe, and say silly sh!t like...."they hate him because he's good" or my fav "They hate him because he's a threat to Jordan."


outside of proven retards like konex i havent seen any lakers fans hating fisher. hes very popular among the fans here in la.

Hotlantadude81
06-12-2009, 01:16 AM
I posted this in the appreciation thread, but it applies to this one too.

It's easier to hit clutch shoots when your open so much.

jmill
06-12-2009, 01:17 AM
Yep most selfish game I've ever seen until the elbow on Jameer. Seriously Jerry Buss get in their and tell him. It worked for Donald Sterling.

8 assists in 6 straight games, and the Lakers are sitting at at home watching the Nuggets right now if not for Kobe

Weeeeeeeeeee

rawimpact
06-12-2009, 01:17 AM
My response would be just as it would be before the 4th period tonight. I'm not a fickle person. And let's face it, his big moment tonight only happened because of the other teams stupidity.

Right that seemingly happens everytime to him right? Sorry, but his second 3 was contended pretty good. Not everyone is willing to take a shot with 5 seconds left on the clock...

barne100
06-12-2009, 01:18 AM
BUT to say he has played well would be stupid. he almost lost the lakers the houston series... but he is now showing his worth.

schism206
06-12-2009, 01:18 AM
Dwight Howard can only improve on those little things on offense. He'll never be a player you can run through offensively. The only thing he can be better at on offense is a better finisher and that's about it. The only way he can be better at finishing is by leaving the ball up high. That's really it.

He's still the 2nd best center in the NBA and a Top 10 player though, It will only be time before he becomes a Top 5 player.

I agree, and he's only 22 so definitely a crazy high ceiling.

And I do think he has the potential to improve quite a bit offensively, but I feel focusing on that 1 thing will give him so much... it will cut down on the amount of times he's stripped and giving him higher chances for 3 point plays.

But it seems like that was something that should have been pointed out to him in the game film and learned from.

Hopefully Pat Ewing goes to work with him heavily for the summer and he is committed.

GUUS
06-12-2009, 01:18 AM
160+ playoff games is what he brings to the table. he is an asset to phil and his system. you don't relinquish that for anybody. if the season falls apart it will be considered but you don't do such adjustments this far deep.
:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
qft

rawimpact
06-12-2009, 01:18 AM
i'd be willing to give up his running semi-hook if he could shoot 70% from the ft line.

branslowski
06-12-2009, 01:19 AM
8 assists in 6 straight games, and the Lakers are sitting at at home watching the Nuggets right now if not for Kobe

Weeeeeeeeeee

WHAT?? You know even though Kobe is averaging 8ast he is still selfish, the stats lie with him because he's Kobe and I hate him..:banghead: :banghead:

:rolleyes:

YAWN
06-12-2009, 01:19 AM
konex curse in full effect :bowdown: :oldlol:

Hotlantadude81
06-12-2009, 01:20 AM
Right that seemingly happens everytime to him right? Sorry, but his second 3 was contended pretty good. Not everyone is willing to take a shot with 5 seconds left on the clock...

If you shoot enough you will make some. His second 3 was contested? You talking about the one where he was wide open off the Kobe double team?

andgar923
06-12-2009, 01:21 AM
outside of proven retards like konex i havent seen any lakers fans hating fisher. hes very popular among the fans here in la.

Bro... I agree, "Laker" fans love him.

And I understand when somebody has a bad game fans get upset, that's in every sport.

But I'm specifically referring to "KOBE" stans (homers).

ronron15
06-12-2009, 01:21 AM
milk/oreos > beef jerkies

pethuel03
06-12-2009, 01:22 AM
and the curse lives on...

LakersLaLaLand
06-12-2009, 01:22 AM
Great game by the Magic. Great game by the Lakers.

:applause: :applause:

97 bulls
06-12-2009, 01:23 AM
Stan didnt lose the game for the magic, Dwights two donks did.

Up 3
11 seconds left
Superman shooting 2 freethrows to seal the deal.

*donk*
*donk*

Fisher hits the 3 and lakers win in OT

http://www.e-imagesite.com/Files/sircharles5533916.jpg
no single play costs a team a game. but not playing the guy that got you to this point in favor of a guy with a bum shlouder shooting shoulder i might add is just ignorant.

insidehoops
06-12-2009, 01:25 AM
You all just watched Game 4, where the Lakers beat the Magic in OT to take a 3-1 NBA Finals lead.

Discuss your thoughts on how the game went, and the way the series stands now

catch24
06-12-2009, 01:27 AM
Obviously branslowski is messing around...

Definitely a 180 in terms of that first half, tip my hat off to Derek and Ariza, great performances and really had Bryants back (who shot the ball terribly, but overall had a decent game).

Jailblazers7
06-12-2009, 01:27 AM
The Magic are ****ed. Kobe will finally get his ring without Shaq and a Finals MVP.

chopchop20
06-12-2009, 01:28 AM
Naw... I disagree. Kobe is drawing double or triple teams all night. AND he set up both of those Fisher shots because he got double teamed.

When Kobe steps on the court, he makes his team better.

sobeking
06-12-2009, 01:28 AM
Even if Howard didn't converted those, it's not because of that that the Magic can't win Overtime... Dude, they scored like what? 4 points in the WHOLE 5 minutes? Way to win in the Finals...

Magic lost as a team and Stan Van Gundy is the main responsible because as coach he had to make a team that so many times was able to score in decisive moments, not been able to score this time...
He can't complain about Howard, he was a monster in defense tonight, that what he is, and the Magic suppose to be able to beat without Howard having to become a great player offensively overnight...

ukplayer4
06-12-2009, 01:29 AM
if dwight had made just one ft or not allowed fisher to walk to the 3 pt line and tie the game they would have won in regulation....

Bodhi
06-12-2009, 01:29 AM
Kobe didn't shoot well but he distributed and the Lakers' role players stepped up big. The Lakers are just such a well built team. If they can keep Odom and Ariza, I think they'll repeat next year.

YAWN
06-12-2009, 01:29 AM
i hope the lakers don't come out lackadaisical and play with a sense of urgency. want to get this series over in game 5.

hopefully we can have everyone playing well. bynum needs to stop fouling on every single possession.

Allstar24
06-12-2009, 01:30 AM
you're a clown. An absolute clown, I'm guessing from Arizona. Seriously clown, which part of LA are you from?

You don't know shit about the Lakers.
I live in Pasadena you moron, not that it's any of your business.

You're the same guy who said the refs were favoring the Lakers in game 2. Some Lakers fan you are. Like I said, you've been exposed. You're a Kobe hater that pretends to be a Laker fan so you can come off as a "realistic fan". I'm done with you.

Mgamer20o0
06-12-2009, 01:30 AM
why would anyone hate on .4..... he has done so much for the team. even if he is getting burned thats not his problem its the coach. he gives it his all.

FashionIssues
06-12-2009, 01:30 AM
yes, i'm guilty of being frustrated with fisher. between his heroic moments and how reliable it comes on average lies big inconsistency. it is what it is. sue me. i'm not even gonna sugar coat my feelings when he took that shot. i was like no. it went in. i'm happy. +1 for me and this thread for you.

bottom line is when you start dividing fans, calling them out, trying to find justice in meaningless stuff just to find out who real fans are, you will lose. because all laker fans are welcomed in our ISH hood.

justin43
06-12-2009, 01:31 AM
The series is over. Here are some stats:


Turnovers: 7 17
Fast Break Pts: 19 16
Biggest Lead: 8 12
Unanswered Pts: 8 0
Points in the Paint: 40 38
Free throw %: 75 59.5

+10 in turnovers for the Magic and 59.5% Ft shooting for the Magic.

KenneBell
06-12-2009, 01:32 AM
See the saying under my SN...:rockon:

shadow
06-12-2009, 01:32 AM
why the hell do they keep locking up the game threads and forcing the move to post game discussions to a different thread? It just kills the on-going conversations.

GUUS
06-12-2009, 01:33 AM
I live in Pasadena you moron, not that it's any of your business.

You're the same guy who said the refs were favoring the Lakers in game 2. Some Lakers fan you are. Like I said, you've been exposed. You're a Kobe hater that pretends to be a Laker fan so you can come off as a "realistic fan". I'm done with you.
try inglewood jackass

Im not pretending to be a lakers fan and dont hate kobe, tho it would be good if he stopped playing kobe ball in the 4th. you are just a paranoid little man

HawkeyeCoug
06-12-2009, 01:37 AM
Why didn't SVG substitute in Lee for Nelson at the end of regulation? It seems to me the type of substitution you would do even at the Junior High level. I also would not have put in Howard in the 'missed free throw' set. Try to make them foul you, and win it at the line. Terrible decision making.

purple8gold
06-12-2009, 01:38 AM
try inglewood jackass

Im not pretending to be a lakers fan and dont hate kobe, tho it would be good if he stopped playing kobe ball in the 4th. you are just a paranoid little man

GUUS, weren't you the one who posted something like KOBE YOU IDIOT MORON LOST THE GAME FOR US? Dude, that's just not cool. Yes, I think you're a Kobe-hater.

Allstar24
06-12-2009, 01:40 AM
try inglewood jackass

Im not pretending to be a lakers fan and dont hate kobe, tho it would be good if he stopped playing kobe ball in the 4th. you are just a paranoid little man
I suppose you live there. If you are indeed a Lakers fan, I now understand why people think Laker fans are tools...you're the worst kind.

OldSchoolBBall
06-12-2009, 01:42 AM
From the other thread that was closed:


refs have historical let players play rought with Kobe...Raja Bell was allowed to handcheck Kobe and push him all over the court.

Not the way they're letting Ariza play Turkoglu, no. More contact than they usually allow on Kobe, yes, but nothing like Turk being grabbed, held, and pushed all game. It's a disgrace. Too bad SVG's not as big a crybaby as PJax or he'd prepare a tape and send it to the league while making sarcastic comments about the officiating on Turk.

justin43
06-12-2009, 01:43 AM
22-37 FT shooting for the Magic

8 FT misses came from Dwight Howard
5 FT misses came from Turkgolu

We can't just blame Dwight Howard for the choke job on the FT line.:pimp:

NewYorkUSCtrojan
06-12-2009, 01:43 AM
Wow! What a game...

Congrats to both teams..


:cheers:

depletedW
06-12-2009, 01:48 AM
22-37 FT shooting for the Magic


That pretty much sums it up.

justin43
06-12-2009, 01:49 AM
Key plays of the game:

Dwight missed both FTs that could have ended the game. The Magic didn't foul Kobe Bryant in regulation, which allow Kobe to pass to Derek Fisher who would hit the shot that sent the game to overtime after Jameer Nelson backs up behind the 3-point line.

Key plays of the series:
The Courtney Lee layup that didn't go in and the play that I just describe above.

This series could easily have been 3-1 Magic if the Magic only executed better.

purple8gold
06-12-2009, 01:51 AM
Key plays of the game:

Dwight missed both FTs that could have ended the game. The Magic didn't foul Kobe Bryant in regulation, which allow Kobe to pass to Derek Fisher who would hit the shot that sent the game to overtime after Jameer Nelson backs up behind the 3-point line.

Key plays of the series:
The Courtney Lee layup that didn't go in and the play that I just describe above.

This series could easily have been 3-1 Magic if the Magic only executed better.

With this statement, is the Magic the better team in this series thus making the Lakers the underdogs?

Avaj
06-12-2009, 01:51 AM
This series could easily have been 3-1 Magic if the Magic only executed better.

But it is not....would of, could of, should of

Reality is Lakers 1 win away from a ring

derman
06-12-2009, 01:53 AM
With this statement, is the Magic the better team in this series thus making the Lakers the underdogs?

they are the unluckiest for sure; the teams are pretty equal, and the 3 very close matches prove this

justin43
06-12-2009, 01:54 AM
But it is not....would of, could of, should of

Reality is Lakers 1 win away from a ring

I just think that it is funny that the outcome of this series all came down to those two plays that I just describe. If you think I was being a troll, then :confusedshrug:

@purple8gold

Those two plays are the reason that the Lakers is the better team. Better execution and more pose.

raptorfan_dr07
06-12-2009, 01:55 AM
Free Throws. SVG should have every player in the gym tomorrow shooting 100 free throws each. Turk hits those 3, or not even those, Dwight hits his two at the end of the 4th, Orlando wins. That and too many unforced turnovers. Dwight's really got to learn how to pass out of the double teams better.

:cheers: to my two favorite Lakers. Fish and Ariza showed up bigtime tonight. :rockon: A big FU to all the fair weather Laker fans who did nothing but rag on Fisher all year long, only to have him shine the brightest in the biggest game of the season. I loved his reaction too, nothing new for this guy. He's bailed LA out his whole career with clutch shots like those.

don juan de marco
06-12-2009, 01:57 AM
LEBRON > KOBE

kobe plays garbage and his team wins. lebron does everything he can while putting up historical numbers and his team cant hit ****ing open jumpers

Wahhhhhhhhhhh. stop it. Lebron has better shooters on his team than kobe does. Nobody was saying this during the regular season and most of the playoffs when his team couldnt miss, but they ran into a Magic team which has a much taller lineup.

stop being bias go look up his shooters stats.
Tell me when was the last time sasha made a open 3? sasha might be 1 for 36 from 3 point range. Luke might be 0 for 20000 from 3 point range
Farmer is like 2 for 18:roll:

NewYorkUSCtrojan
06-12-2009, 01:58 AM
The league and refs wanted this series to prolong..The heart of the Championship came through big....

All that help..And the magic still missed their free throws...

LA_Showtime
06-12-2009, 02:02 AM
The league and refs wanted this series to prolong..The heart of the Championship came through big....

All that help..And the magic still missed their free throws...

Apparently the Magic didn't want this series to continue. They couldn't close a deal and the Lakers took advantage of their poor free throw shooting.

HawkeyeCoug
06-12-2009, 02:03 AM
SVG needs to practice making offense-defense substitutions at the end of games. Substituting Lee (not skip) for Nelson on D would be the "kindergarten call" for the 3-point defense. As far as free-throws, I don't think Dwight choked. Like Shaq, he just doesn't have touch from that range. He was off all game. Hedo is a totally different matter. He has to hit those when he is having a big offensive night.

Praying for either the Magic in 7, or the end of the world before the Lakers win another game.


Free Throws. SVG should have every player in the gym tomorrow shooting 100 free throws each. Turk hits those 3, or not even those, Dwight hits his two at the end of the 4th, Orlando wins. That and too many unforced turnovers. Dwight's really got to learn how to pass out of the double teams better.

ProfessorMurder
06-12-2009, 02:03 AM
Yeah the series could very easily be 3-1 Magic. I think the difference is inexperience, free throws, and bad decision making.

Examples tonight:

Poor free throw shooting from Dwight/Hedo in the end of the game.
Not fouling on the Lakers last inbounds.
Nelson playing behind the 3 point line.
Bad inbounds play by the Magic.
Rafer not playing in the end, even though he was very productive early.
(Kobe's elbow on Nelson's mouth not being called)

The Magic had this game, and game 2... But just a few mistakes in the last couple of minutes f*cked them over. Rafer and Johnson should be playing, Nelson is playing well but he just f*cked up the chemistry by coming back.

CroqueMort
06-12-2009, 02:06 AM
There is almost no suprise to the close losses of the Magic against the Lakers.

The Lakers learn from the playoffs and their finals to the Celtics, and have two veterans in Kobe and Derek who have seen it all. The Magic can't compete with that even if they are already an excellent team.
Old people >>>> Young people

I hope for them that they are going to keep the same core for next year.

Avaj
06-12-2009, 02:07 AM
I just think that it is funny that the outcome of this series all came down to those two plays that I just describe. If you think I was being a troll, then :confusedshrug:

the bottom line is getting the w, don't matter how you get as long as you end up with the w

a lot of games come down to the last shot, but it is the team with the w that wins not matter what happen during the start of the game till the end of the game

again reality is lakers didn't give up and did what was necessary to end up with the w

justin43
06-12-2009, 02:07 AM
Yeah the series could very easily be 3-1 Magic. I think the difference is inexperience, free throws, and bad decision making.

Examples tonight:

Poor free throw shooting from Dwight/Hedo in the end of the game.
Not fouling on the Lakers last inbounds.
Nelson playing behind the 3 point line.
Bad inbounds play by the Magic.
Rafer not playing in the end, even though he was very productive early.
(Kobe's elbow on Nelson's mouth not being called)

The Magic had this game, and game 2... But just a few mistakes in the last couple of minutes f*cked them over. Rafer and Johnson should be playing, Nelson is playing well but he just f*cked up the chemistry by coming back.

I basically agree fully except for Kobe elbow since there were plenty of calls that should have went the Lakers way. But I won't get into them to avoid bashing the refs.

Bond007
06-12-2009, 02:08 AM
Im quite intrigued by the fact that the magic shot 62% in game 3 and had a almost laughable advantage fouls wise but still has a tough time beating the lakers. what gives?:confusedshrug:

NuggetsFan
06-12-2009, 02:08 AM
Still can't believe Nelson didn't even contest that shot at all. Sadly it looks like the Lakers have this in the bag.

raptorfan_dr07
06-12-2009, 02:09 AM
Turnovers.

ProfessorMurder
06-12-2009, 02:09 AM
I basically agree fully except for Kobe elbow since there were plenty of calls that should have went the Lakers way. But I won't get into them to avoid bashing the refs.

Yeah that's why I put that in parenthesis haha. In the end that didn't make a difference, and that was a Ref issue. They lost the game for themselves.

Killer_Instinct
06-12-2009, 02:10 AM
I'm amazed LA shot 0 FTs the last 17 minutes of this game. (4th, OT) It was pathetic. The refs were handing Orlando this game, and they couldn't take it. Hilarious.

justin43
06-12-2009, 02:13 AM
the bottom line is getting the w, don't matter how you get as long as you end up with the w

a lot of games come down to the last shot, but it is the team with the w that wins not matter what happen during the start of the game till the end of the game

again reality is lakers didn't give up and did what was necessary to end up with the w

Don't worry. I can fully accept the reality that the Lakers are about to win a championship. You are right. The bottom line is the W. I am not trying to bash the Lakers with those statements. I am just pointing out how simple mistakes can cost a team a series(in Orlando's case, a championship).

Bond007
06-12-2009, 02:14 AM
I don't want to get into this rigged rigged stuff but my friends and i noticed something strange about the foul calls. Like the guy mentioned earlier the lakers practically had no fouls on their favor in the 4th quite bizarre

GiveItToBurrito
06-12-2009, 02:15 AM
LA took more jumpers, Dwight Howard had seven or eight turnovers.

imdaman99
06-12-2009, 02:16 AM
Yeah Pietrius was getting all the calls. Even that fastbreak layup on Kobe where Kobe just matadored and theres that whistle. And Kobe drives, double pumps and misses, even gets hit on the arm on an airball no call. What gives? Who really cares, the Lakers deserved this win more.

Avaj
06-12-2009, 02:17 AM
Don't worry. I can fully accept the reality that the Lakers are about to win a championship. You are right. The bottom line is the W. I am not trying to bash the Lakers with those statements. I am just pointing out how simple mistakes can cost a team a series(in Orlando's case, a championship).

It is all good : )

amfirst
06-12-2009, 02:17 AM
The call were lopsided in favor of the Magics, but Lakers were able to pull it off.

don juan de marco
06-12-2009, 02:18 AM
I just think that it is funny that the outcome of this series all came down to those two plays that I just describe. If you think I was being a troll, then :confusedshrug:

@purple8gold

Those two plays are the reason that the Lakers is the better team. Better execution and more pose.


Why do you keep bringing up Lee's miss layup? The same game Howard goal tended Gasol shot through the rim. SO basically if Lee didnt choke that layup then he would of only tied the game.:hammerhead: :hammerhead:


Look at this game. I repeat
Lakers shot 20 free throws
Magic shot 37 free throws

and look the Lakers still won and the Refs lost:lol

justin43
06-12-2009, 02:23 AM
Why do you keep bringing up Lee's miss layup? The same game Howard goal tended Gasol shot through the rim. SO basically if Lee didnt choke that layup then he would of only tied the game.:hammerhead: :hammerhead:


Look at this game. I repeat
Lakers shot 20 free throws
Magic shot 37 free throws

and look the Lakers still won and the Refs lost:lol

But the goaltend was not counted against Howard, so the Lee miss was a major play in this series regardless what anyone say.

Bond007
06-12-2009, 02:24 AM
There was one crucial foul in the fourth when kobe shot a three pointer and missed bec pietrus hit his hand which was terribly obvious even in the replays..no call. oh well its disturbing for US if either team gets such a huge foul discrepancy against them. The refs ruin the game this way.

LA_Showtime
06-12-2009, 02:25 AM
But the goaltend was not counted against Howard, so the Lee missed was a major play in this series regardless what anyone say.

What? If anything, since the refs missed Howard's goaltend then it was only fair they missed Gasol's goaltend. If Gasol gets the correct call it doesn't come down to a Lee alley oop.

JustinJDW
06-12-2009, 02:27 AM
Damn, I am really disappointed right now. I felt so excited for the Orlando Magic. This Finals was going to be one of the greatest if it went 2-2, and all Howard had to do to seal all of this was knock down at least one Free Throw. The second he missed the first, I knew he was going to miss the second, I knew the Lakers was going to make the 3, and I knew Orlando was going to loose in Overtime. I just knew it.

Now, instead of being one of the best Finals in the last Decade, we get a boring 3-1 where the Series will end in 5 or 6 Games, and Orlando will look bad, when Orlando and this Series is so much better than that.

****, I feel like a whole Season was wasted. Like all the time I spent watching the NBA, just to get to this point, just to get to the exciting Finals, was wasted. I feel gutted right now. The Magic were so close. This Series was going to mean something. Now, all we are going to get is more ammo for all the Kobe nut riders, and another boring Laker Championship, and another "Could Have Been" Amazing Finals.

God damn it. I feel like ****. I love this Game too much to accept such ****ty disappointment. ****. I think I am about to cry. Not because of the Lakers winning, or because of the Magic loosing, but because this Finals could have been so much better then it will be.

My passion is too deep. I can't take this disappointment. :ohwell:

ItsTwisted
06-12-2009, 02:32 AM
To all the Magic Fans, it was a great game tonight, unfortunately somebody had to be on the losing end.

To all the Lakers fans stop complaining about Kobe, because if those shots had fallen in, most of the trolls would be saying he is the GOAT and how he is better then Michael Jordan. Kobe did do a lot for the team tonight; most of Arizas points were created by the double team on Kobe, and his defense in the 4th on Rashad was good. He had the defensive intensity that gave everybody else on the team motivation to win. Unfortunately in the last 5 minutes or so, he realized it was getting to the wire and decided to take it himself, and started shooting bad shots, but that does not mean he is not the most important player on that Laker team.

People here saying Kobe does not deserve the Finals MVP, who else does besides him? Gasol, Odom, Ariza? Most of those guys were gone throughout most of the game, and Gasol has not been himself almost the entire series except maybe Game 1. Since the playoffs started, Kobe has probably been the only player that showed up night in and night out, especially during the Nuggets series. Even when his shot was not falling, he was motivating the guys on the court, and dishing the ball out. Tonight was no different, I saw at least 5 times where in the huddle Kobe was the coach, coaching the team, and even before that last shot by Fisher you saw him the huddle talking to them. On the subject of the Fisher shot, Kobe made two excellent passes to Fisher at the end of regulation and OT that put the game away, so people here complaining Kobe does not deserve the Finals MVP, well if he does not, then who does?

As for the elbow, when watching it on the replay you can clearly see Kobe was about to turn as Nelson was coming around him, and as he turned, Nelson was running from the other side to catch Fisher and hit into Kobe's elbow. They will rarely call that especially in these situations, and the calls they were giving Orlando tonight. Orlando lost this game because of all of the missed free throws, as well as turnovers, and just not being able to perform under pressure and giving it away. I personally believe that if the ratio of freethrows going in Orlandos way was smaller, the Lakers would not have needed the OT to beat them. The calls early on in the game put us at a bad position because all three of our big guys were out, and we had to go to Mbenga and Powell, the two guys who have almost not played at all during these playoffs, and that is why we were down by 12 at the end of first half. We were not doing to many things wrong, but Orlando was just doing too many things right, and not having our top 3 big men in there also did damage.

Great game, and onto Game 5, I just hope the Lakers do not show up with their easy going personality and give the Magic some hope, I want this to be done with already.

justin43
06-12-2009, 02:33 AM
What? If anything, since the refs missed Howard's goaltend then it was only fair they missed Gasol's goaltend. If Gasol gets the correct call it doesn't come down to a Lee alley oop.

That is a "what if" scernario that didn't happen. Therefore, the Lee layup miss was a critical play as a result.

don juan de marco
06-12-2009, 02:33 AM
There was one crucial foul in the fourth when kobe shot a three pointer and missed bec pietrus hit his hand which was terribly obvious even in the replays..no call. oh well its disturbing for US if either team gets such a huge foul discrepancy against them. The refs ruin the game this way.

Good point, i 4got about that play. There was also some plays in the 4th where kobe attacked the rim and ran into like 3 defenders and no foul call
and i repeat

Lakers shot 20 ft's
Magic shot 37 ft's


how did we still win?:lol

Babalu
06-12-2009, 02:34 AM
God damn it. I feel like ****. I love this Game too much to accept such ****ty disappointment. ****. I think I am about to cry. Not because of the Lakers winning, or because of the Magic loosing, but because this Finals could have been so much better then it will be.

My passion is too deep. I can't take this disappointment. :ohwell:


God damn it. I feel GREAT. I love this Game too much to accept such GREATNESS. I think I am about to DANCE. Because of the Lakers winning, NOT because of the Magic loosing, but because this Finals AS GREAT AS THEY POSSIBLE COULD HAVE BEEN!

My passion is too deep. I LOVE this MAGICAL FEELING :banana:


http://www.e-imagesite.com/Files/sircharles5533916.jpg

D-Rose
06-12-2009, 02:35 AM
Feels GREAT to be on the other side of a comeback win in a Finals Game 4.

JustinJDW
06-12-2009, 02:47 AM
Damni t Magic. Life sucks right now. I'm going to go play some Grand Theft Auto IV.

:ohwell:

chimera27
06-12-2009, 02:48 AM
To all the Magic Fans, it was a great game tonight, unfortunately somebody had to be on the losing end.

To all the Lakers fans stop complaining about Kobe, because if those shots had fallen in, most of the trolls would be saying he is the GOAT and how he is better then Michael Jordan. Kobe did do a lot for the team tonight; most of Arizas points were created by the double team on Kobe, and his defense in the 4th on Rashad was good. He had the defensive intensity that gave everybody else on the team motivation to win. Unfortunately in the last 5 minutes or so, he realized it was getting to the wire and decided to take it himself, and started shooting bad shots, but that does not mean he is not the most important player on that Laker team.

People here saying Kobe does not deserve the Finals MVP, who else does besides him? Gasol, Odom, Ariza? Most of those guys were gone throughout most of the game, and Gasol has not been himself almost the entire series except maybe Game 1. Since the playoffs started, Kobe has probably been the only player that showed up night in and night out, especially during the Nuggets series. Even when his shot was not falling, he was motivating the guys on the court, and dishing the ball out. Tonight was no different, I saw at least 5 times where in the huddle Kobe was the coach, coaching the team, and even before that last shot by Fisher you saw him the huddle talking to them. On the subject of the Fisher shot, Kobe made two excellent passes to Fisher at the end of regulation and OT that put the game away, so people here complaining Kobe does not deserve the Finals MVP, well if he does not, then who does?

As for the elbow, when watching it on the replay you can clearly see Kobe was about to turn as Nelson was coming around him, and as he turned, Nelson was running from the other side to catch Fisher and hit into Kobe's elbow. They will rarely call that especially in these situations, and the calls they were giving Orlando tonight. Orlando lost this game because of all of the missed free throws, as well as turnovers, and just not being able to perform under pressure and giving it away. I personally believe that if the ratio of freethrows going in Orlandos way was smaller, the Lakers would not have needed the OT to beat them. The calls early on in the game put us at a bad position because all three of our big guys were out, and we had to go to Mbenga and Powell, the two guys who have almost not played at all during these playoffs, and that is why we were down by 12 at the end of first half. We were not doing to many things wrong, but Orlando was just doing too many things right, and not having our top 3 big men in there also did damage.

Great game, and onto Game 5, I just hope the Lakers do not show up with their easy going personality and give the Magic some hope, I want this to be done with already.

Great post my friend. Two thumbs up.

crisoner
06-12-2009, 02:49 AM
Lets Go Lakeshow!!!! One More Dub!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jacks3
06-12-2009, 02:55 AM
That spin-move pass by Kobe to Pau to get the Lakers within 3 was sick. He didn't shoot the ball well, but I felt he made a bunch of big plays in the 4th Q/OT.

djwhizard
06-12-2009, 02:56 AM
To all the Magic Fans, it was a great game tonight, unfortunately somebody had to be on the losing end.

To all the Lakers fans stop complaining about Kobe, because if those shots had fallen in, most of the trolls would be saying he is the GOAT and how he is better then Michael Jordan. Kobe did do a lot for the team tonight; most of Arizas points were created by the double team on Kobe, and his defense in the 4th on Rashad was good. He had the defensive intensity that gave everybody else on the team motivation to win. Unfortunately in the last 5 minutes or so, he realized it was getting to the wire and decided to take it himself, and started shooting bad shots, but that does not mean he is not the most important player on that Laker team.

People here saying Kobe does not deserve the Finals MVP, who else does besides him? Gasol, Odom, Ariza? Most of those guys were gone throughout most of the game, and Gasol has not been himself almost the entire series except maybe Game 1. Since the playoffs started, Kobe has probably been the only player that showed up night in and night out, especially during the Nuggets series. Even when his shot was not falling, he was motivating the guys on the court, and dishing the ball out. Tonight was no different, I saw at least 5 times where in the huddle Kobe was the coach, coaching the team, and even before that last shot by Fisher you saw him the huddle talking to them. On the subject of the Fisher shot, Kobe made two excellent passes to Fisher at the end of regulation and OT that put the game away, so people here complaining Kobe does not deserve the Finals MVP, well if he does not, then who does?

As for the elbow, when watching it on the replay you can clearly see Kobe was about to turn as Nelson was coming around him, and as he turned, Nelson was running from the other side to catch Fisher and hit into Kobe's elbow. They will rarely call that especially in these situations, and the calls they were giving Orlando tonight. Orlando lost this game because of all of the missed free throws, as well as turnovers, and just not being able to perform under pressure and giving it away. I personally believe that if the ratio of freethrows going in Orlandos way was smaller, the Lakers would not have needed the OT to beat them. The calls early on in the game put us at a bad position because all three of our big guys were out, and we had to go to Mbenga and Powell, the two guys who have almost not played at all during these playoffs, and that is why we were down by 12 at the end of first half. We were not doing to many things wrong, but Orlando was just doing too many things right, and not having our top 3 big men in there also did damage.

Great game, and onto Game 5, I just hope the Lakers do not show up with their easy going personality and give the Magic some hope, I want this to be done with already.

Great comments. +1

Avaj
06-12-2009, 02:58 AM
To all the Magic Fans, it was a great game tonight, unfortunately somebody had to be on the losing end.

To all the Lakers fans stop complaining about Kobe, because if those shots had fallen in, most of the trolls would be saying he is the GOAT and how he is better then Michael Jordan. Kobe did do a lot for the team tonight; most of Arizas points were created by the double team on Kobe, and his defense in the 4th on Rashad was good. He had the defensive intensity that gave everybody else on the team motivation to win. Unfortunately in the last 5 minutes or so, he realized it was getting to the wire and decided to take it himself, and started shooting bad shots, but that does not mean he is not the most important player on that Laker team.

People here saying Kobe does not deserve the Finals MVP, who else does besides him? Gasol, Odom, Ariza? Most of those guys were gone throughout most of the game, and Gasol has not been himself almost the entire series except maybe Game 1. Since the playoffs started, Kobe has probably been the only player that showed up night in and night out, especially during the Nuggets series. Even when his shot was not falling, he was motivating the guys on the court, and dishing the ball out. Tonight was no different, I saw at least 5 times where in the huddle Kobe was the coach, coaching the team, and even before that last shot by Fisher you saw him the huddle talking to them. On the subject of the Fisher shot, Kobe made two excellent passes to Fisher at the end of regulation and OT that put the game away, so people here complaining Kobe does not deserve the Finals MVP, well if he does not, then who does?

As for the elbow, when watching it on the replay you can clearly see Kobe was about to turn as Nelson was coming around him, and as he turned, Nelson was running from the other side to catch Fisher and hit into Kobe's elbow. They will rarely call that especially in these situations, and the calls they were giving Orlando tonight. Orlando lost this game because of all of the missed free throws, as well as turnovers, and just not being able to perform under pressure and giving it away. I personally believe that if the ratio of freethrows going in Orlandos way was smaller, the Lakers would not have needed the OT to beat them. The calls early on in the game put us at a bad position because all three of our big guys were out, and we had to go to Mbenga and Powell, the two guys who have almost not played at all during these playoffs, and that is why we were down by 12 at the end of first half. We were not doing to many things wrong, but Orlando was just doing too many things right, and not having our top 3 big men in there also did damage.

Great game, and onto Game 5, I just hope the Lakers do not show up with their easy going personality and give the Magic some hope, I want this to be done with already.

very well said

djwhizard
06-12-2009, 02:58 AM
Also, how ridiculous was that 3 point prayer by Ariza to beat the shot clock in the fourth quarter. That really kept the Lakers in the game, where a miss could have swung the pendulum in the opposite direction.

Jacks3
06-12-2009, 03:00 AM
20-2 FTA advantage for the Magic in the 4th Q/OT...:wtf:

rawimpact
06-12-2009, 03:04 AM
Home cooking, we get it in LA now and then... can't really complain.

D-Rose
06-12-2009, 03:04 AM
LOL @ anyone who says Kobe doesn't deserve the Finals MVP.

Jordan had bad games in the Seattle and first Utah finals, won it easily.

Kobe does a lot for the team that doesn't show up on the stat sheet, easily the Finals MVP

Bballfinest
06-12-2009, 03:24 AM
Jordan Fg% 3p% Ft% Orb Drb Rpg Apg Spg Bpg To Pf Ppg
Lakers.558 .500 .848 1.6 5.0 6.6 11.4 2.8 1.40 3.6 3.6 31.2
Blazer.526 .429 .891 1.0 3.8 4.8 6.5 1.7 0.33 2.0 3.5 35.8
P.suns.508 .400 .694 2.5 6.0 8.5 6.3 1.7 0.67 2.7 3.3 41.0
Sonics.415 .316 .836 1.7 3.7 5.3 4.2 .7 0.17 3.0 2.8 27.3
U.jazz .456 .320 .764 1.5 5.5 7.0 6.0 1.2 0.83 2.2 2.3 32.3
U.jazz .427 .308 .814 1.5 2.5 4.0 2.3 1.8 0.67 1.7 2.2 33.5

D-Rose
06-12-2009, 03:33 AM
Lakers 44.0 .558 .500 .848 1.6 5.0 6.6 11.4 2.8 1.40 3.6 3.6 31.2
Trail Blazers 42.3 .526 .429 .891 1.0 3.8 4.8 6.5 1.7 0.33 2.0 3.5 35.8
Suns 45.7 .508 .400 .694 2.5 6.0 8.5 6.3 1.7 0.67 2.7 3.3 41.0
Supersonics 42.0 .415 .316 .836 1.7 3.7 5.3 4.2 1.7 0.17 3.0 2.8 27.3
Jazz 42.7 .456 .320 .764 1.5 5.5 7.0 6.0 1.2 0.83 2.2 2.3 32.3
Jazz 41.7 .427 .308 .814 1.5 2.5 4.0 2.3 1.8 0.67 1.7 2.2 33.5

Jordan: 6-19 on 32% vs. Sonics (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199606120SEA.html)

Jordan: 11-27 on 41% vs. Utah (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199706080UTA.html)

Second one is almost identical to Kobe's line today. Kobe's stat line for the series looks great too, can't be a hero every game.

cotdt
06-12-2009, 03:34 AM
LOL @ anyone who says Kobe doesn't deserve the Finals MVP.

Jordan had bad games in the Seattle and first Utah finals, won it easily.

Kobe does a lot for the team that doesn't show up on the stat sheet, easily the Finals MVP

Kobe is the coach, he deserves 2 rings for this.

rawimpact
06-12-2009, 03:37 AM
To Mourning and cotdt, Phil is the coach of the laker team, he may not show it like Stan, but he makes all of the switches/adjustments. Lets not take anything away from the HOF coach.

chopchop20
06-12-2009, 03:46 AM
To all the Magic Fans, it was a great game tonight, unfortunately somebody had to be on the losing end.

To all the Lakers fans stop complaining about Kobe, because if those shots had fallen in, most of the trolls would be saying he is the GOAT and how he is better then Michael Jordan. Kobe did do a lot for the team tonight; most of Arizas points were created by the double team on Kobe, and his defense in the 4th on Rashad was good. He had the defensive intensity that gave everybody else on the team motivation to win. Unfortunately in the last 5 minutes or so, he realized it was getting to the wire and decided to take it himself, and started shooting bad shots, but that does not mean he is not the most important player on that Laker team.

People here saying Kobe does not deserve the Finals MVP, who else does besides him? Gasol, Odom, Ariza? Most of those guys were gone throughout most of the game, and Gasol has not been himself almost the entire series except maybe Game 1. Since the playoffs started, Kobe has probably been the only player that showed up night in and night out, especially during the Nuggets series. Even when his shot was not falling, he was motivating the guys on the court, and dishing the ball out. Tonight was no different, I saw at least 5 times where in the huddle Kobe was the coach, coaching the team, and even before that last shot by Fisher you saw him the huddle talking to them. On the subject of the Fisher shot, Kobe made two excellent passes to Fisher at the end of regulation and OT that put the game away, so people here complaining Kobe does not deserve the Finals MVP, well if he does not, then who does?

As for the elbow, when watching it on the replay you can clearly see Kobe was about to turn as Nelson was coming around him, and as he turned, Nelson was running from the other side to catch Fisher and hit into Kobe's elbow. They will rarely call that especially in these situations, and the calls they were giving Orlando tonight. Orlando lost this game because of all of the missed free throws, as well as turnovers, and just not being able to perform under pressure and giving it away. I personally believe that if the ratio of freethrows going in Orlandos way was smaller, the Lakers would not have needed the OT to beat them. The calls early on in the game put us at a bad position because all three of our big guys were out, and we had to go to Mbenga and Powell, the two guys who have almost not played at all during these playoffs, and that is why we were down by 12 at the end of first half. We were not doing to many things wrong, but Orlando was just doing too many things right, and not having our top 3 big men in there also did damage.

Great game, and onto Game 5, I just hope the Lakers do not show up with their easy going personality and give the Magic some hope, I want this to be done with already.

You make good points. Haters wanna make this about stats concerning Kobe.

I just see a guy who's helping his team win. Great victory for Laker nation.

Jacks3
06-12-2009, 03:49 AM
I think that was one of the most impressive wins in NBA finals history. You can say the Magic choked, but the Lakers overcame one of the best games of Dwight Howard's career (at least defense and rebounding wise), a 12-point halftime deficit and horrible officiating to win this game. Truly amazing. Whether you think the calls were BS or whether the Lakers were just legit playing dumb basketball, the fact that they won this game despite only getting two free throw attempts to 18 for Orlando in the 4th quarter and OT is absolutely remarkable.:pimp: