Which Annoys You More? (Super Trendy vs. Super UnTrendy)

[B-Low]

I've noticed we got both sides of the field wiiiiidely represented on ISH, and both are annoying in their own ways, so I was wondering which you guys found more annoying.

Type 1: In the blue corner we have the SUPER trendy people. The ones who like anything that is popular to the masses and declare it the greatest of all time 2 weeks into liking it. These are the Wayne fans who call him the GOAT, these are the guys you see at the club wearing scarves because they saw Kanye West doing it. These are the girls who wear UGGS, these are the dudes that wear stunna shades at 11pm. The people who watch BET and MTV just so they can learn the Ricky Bobby and the Soulja Boy. These are the girls who say things like BFF and "I'm so over that" just because that's what they think they should say this week. The ones who update their facebook status every 5 minutes. Don't try to tell them that the masses are wrong cuz 5,000,000 people can't be wrong in their eyes.

Type 2: Aaaaand in the red corner we have the non-conformists. The ones who will only watch a movie if its dubbed in another language and features actors that nobody's ever heard of. The ones who will enter any discussion of music with 1,000 underground rock bands/rappers and say if you don't know who they are then you're not a true fan of music. The ones who feel like Lil Scooby from down the street could out battle Eminem anyday. The ones who refuse to eat at national fast food chains because they don't make it as good as Aunt Erma's Hole In the Wall Cafe. Who hear a name like Miley Cyrus that they DEFINITELY know and say "who is that? i seriously never heard of her because i don't watch MTV". The ones who will do absolutely anything to prove to the world that they are on an entirely different level than anyone else.

So who is worst, type 1 or type 2?

Let's hear it ISH!

[Manute for Ever!]

Type 1: In the blue corner we have the SUPER trendy people. The ones who like anything that is popular to the masses and declare it the greatest of all time 2 weeks into liking it. These are the Wayne fans who call him the GOAT, these are the guys you see at the club wearing scarves because they saw Kanye West doing it. These are the girls who wear UGGS, these are the dudes that wear stunna shades at 11pm. The people who watch BET and MTV just so they can learn the Ricky Bobby and the Soulja Boy. These are the girls who say things like BFF and "I'm so over that" just because that's what they think they should say this week. The ones who update their facebook status every 5 minutes. Don't try to tell them that the masses are wrong cuz 5,000,000 people can't be wrong in their eyes.


These types are by far the worst in my opinion. I admit that I fit into type 2 (except for the Miley analogy).

[vapid]

Type 1 is worse. Its easier for a Type 2 to loosen up a little and maintain a healthy balance. Leaning a little towards Type 2 is better too imo. Type 1's usually stay that way.

[Kumo]

Type 1's.

Their personality is usually way worse, regardless of their behavior with trends.

[v-unit]

I had a huge response ready for this thread but accidently clicked a link and lost my whole post. I'll just say number 2 is worse.

[Hawker]

Type 2 is worse but when you think about it....both are "trendy." lol

[B-Low]

my personal opinion, i always would have said #1 until i saw some of the people on ISH who shall remain nameless

[Brujesino]

person 1 is the worst cant stand people like that

[DeuceWallaces]

I just had an aneurysm trying to decide.

[Butters]

two

[Hawker]

I'm not going to lie though...it's so funny seeing everyone wear all the same stuff constantly. Like on a rainy day...all the girls be wearing rain boots of different designs and colors. Swear I think I saw a coach brand of rain boots (it's brown and has the B and a backwards B or some sh!t).

It's kinda pathetic. And then you see all the hippie pro-Obama people wearing tye-dye shirts and riding fixie bikes and wearing hats with goodwill shoes on and jorts and bandanas.

And then add on the frat boys wearing polos, short as muthaf*cking docker shorts, sunglasses wit a strap, a backwards polo hat and new balance shoes or sperry's.

It's all one sad, pathetic scene.

[poorlilrich]

i hate type 2 people

you just wanna shake em and tell em theyre not unique

[StroShow4]

Trendy type people can be annoying as ****, but people who try too hard to be different for the sake of being different can also be annoying as ****. I don't know which bothers me more. Let's just say they both suck and we should try to stay somewhere in the middle.

[Hawker]

Type 1:

v-unit
emsteemz foreals
mr basketball
big baller
vapid


Type 2:
RBA
deucewallaces
marlostanfield
Pete'sMontreaux

[vapid]

Type 1:

v-unit
emsteemz foreals
mr basketball
big baller
vapid
poorlilrich

Type 2:
RBA
deucewallaces
marlostanfield
I'm type 1??? Wow thats a first.

[poorlilrich]

Hawk Hawk Hawk

[poorlilrich]

lmaoooo im a type 1????



no way

[B-Low]

Type 1:

v-unit
emsteemz foreals
mr basketball
big baller
vapid
poorlilrich

Type 2:
RBA
deucewallaces
marlostanfield

nah you can't list type 2's without naming ISH's resident movie snobs

[Hawker]

nah you can't list type 2's without naming ISH's resident movie snobs

Good point. I'll add them. I could only think of Pete'sMontreaux.

[vapid]

nah you can't list type 2's without naming ISH's resident movie snobs
See, at least the movie snobs appreciate true talent, even if they are being a $$holes about it. They promote actually good movies, while type 1's give studio's incentives to generate more sh!t.

[StroShow4]

nah you can't list type 2's without naming ISH's resident movie snobs

You have to be careful when labeling people type #2. Some people really do have unique interests. I do. I'm not doing it for the sake of being different, and I also try not to be a stuck up d@uche about it, so I wouldn't put myself in that group.

[Hawker]

lmaoooo im a type 1????



no way

I actually take it back. You're just in the middle.

[poorlilrich]

Yea Yea Yea

[pete's montreux]

Not really sure what a movie snob is, actually. Sorry I don't like sh*tty movies? :confusedshrug: :oldlol:

and can't anybody spell my username right? Ever? I mean, It's right f*cking there <------

[Atomic DOG]

type 3: black people




hahah just kidding

[Skywalker]

pete's montreaux is type 3: talks out of his ass

[pete's montreux]

pete's montreaux is type 3: talks out of his ass
Hey, I have groupies!

:hammertime:

[DeuceWallaces]

I don't do anything listed in Type II.

[Skywalker]

:lol

sware

[pete's montreux]

If you think about it, It's not difficult for some people not to know who some famous people are. I still, to this day, have not heard a single Wayne song. That's no joke. I do not watch MTV, VH1, or whatever other music channel you can think of. I only listen to classic rock or oldies on the radio. It's not like I'm trying not to hear his music, I just never have.

I literally cannot tell you who the top rapper is right now, who has the number one album/single/whatever. I just don't know.

And It's not like I don't like hip hop. I know some guys only listen to old stuff and refuse to acknowledge the newer releases. Not me, I've been listening to the new Mos Def and Meth/Red albums non stop for the past week. I guess I stick to the stuff I know?

[poorlilrich]

skywalker is most definitely a type1 guy


ask him who his favorite rappers are:

- the cool kids, lil wayne, drake


GUILTY

[Skywalker]

cuz cool kids are mainstream MTV guys ( I don't think they are are they??)

[poorlilrich]

lmao lmao u like em because they are the "cool" kids


if a group comes out tomorrow called the popular gang ud probably play their ****

[Skywalker]

:roll:

lmao lmao lmao

[Manute for Ever!]

I just like what I like, as opposed to the 'flavour of the month" mentality.

[vapid]

This was a great thread idea. A subtle way to antagonize two large groups of posters into an argument. (conformists vs. non-conformists)

[Big Al All day]

I think it's easier for me to deal with the type 1 people, just because there are so many of them. I honestly don't care if people don't like what the norm is, but it bugs the **** out of me when someone goes out of their way to be different. I have a friend who is like this, he won't do anything that other people do, tries his hardest not to laugh at shows like family guy because the humor is "stupid." I think those people piss me off more, just because they try to act like they're better than you.

[~primetime~]

Male:

Type 1: was popular in school, drank, smoked alot of weed, got girls...but was dumb

Type 2: in school was a geek and now he is stuck up because of it and trys to act like he knows what is "really good"...


Female:

Type 1: she is trendy, but odds are she is much hotter than type 2, and easier...:oldlol:

Type 2: most likely ugly, and overweight...







depends what mood I am in but if I had to choose one crowd to hang out with it would probably be type 1...

but if they are actually listening to f*ckin Soulja Boy and Wayne and all that sh*t I am not sure I would be able to take it...

[Atomic DOG]

I think it's easier for me to deal with the type 1 people, just because there are so many of them. I honestly don't care if people don't like what the norm is, but it bugs the **** out of me when someone goes out of their way to be different. I have a friend who is like this, he won't do anything that other people do, tries his hardest not to laugh at shows like family guy because the humor is "stupid." I think those people piss me off more, just because they try to act like they're better than you.


exactly, type 1 are mostly harmless. type 2 ironically are every bit the followers type 1 is, because whether they admit it or not, they generally follow the crowd as well, they just take their cue from the rest of the anti-trendy community.

very few people will give a truly blunt and honest opinion about everything, regardless of how anyone else in their "group" thinks of it. even the nonconformists try to posture their opinions to fit into what is acceptable in the nonconformist group. petes montreux is a fine example of this. but its the fact that they think they're being intellectual and the fact that they always wanna flaunt their disagreement and opposition to the norm that makes them worse to be around than type 1.

[~primetime~]

do "beer snobs" count as a Type 2 guy?

:oldlol:

the ones that are too good to drink Budweiser and will only drink the rare sh*t that some belgian dude made in his basement?



if so Type 1 >>>>>>>>>>>>> Type 2

:oldlol:

[Big Al All day]

exactly, type 1 are mostly harmless. type 2 ironically are every bit the followers type 1 is, because whether they admit it or not, they generally follow the crowd as well, they just take their cue from the rest of the anti-trendy community.

very few people will give a truly blunt and honest opinion about everything, regardless of how anyone else in their "group" thinks of it. even the nonconformists try to posture their opinions to fit into what is acceptable in the nonconformist group. petes montreux is a fine example of this. but its the fact that they think they're being intellectual and the fact that they always wanna flaunt their disagreement and opposition to the norm that makes them worse to be around than type 1.
Yup, movie snobs are some of the most annoying people in the world. It's a ****ing movie, you just watch it, there doesn't have to be a underlying meaning of the underlying undertone.

What you said reminded me of the goth kids in the 90's (not sure if they're still around to much) but they would dress that way to look different, but they looked the exact same as every other middle class suburban goth kid that has a "****ty" life. Kind of contradicts.

[Doomsday Dallas]

The "Super-trendy" folks are destroying this country.

When did it become trendy to pay $5.00 for coffee when you can make it at home for less than a quarter? The Starbucks crowd has got to go.

When did it become trendy to listen to some of the dumbest f*cking lyrics on the radio that Hip-Hop has ever experienced? I can no longer listen to Hip Hop on the radio without feeling like I lost millions of brain cells in the process.

When did it become trendy to watch dumb@ss television shows? (I think we can blame today's youth for this one... also, look at B-Low's avatar. That show is pure dumbing down of the children.)

The way Americans are conditioned to act in today's world can be summed up best with this short video. (1:55)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZeiSKnhOBc

The Op's argument is somewhat similar to Conservative vs. Liberal. The "Super-Trendy" wants to fit into society by basically following the leader. The "Super Un-trendy" sees society for what it is (A bunch of sheep), and is doing his or her best to break away from the pack.

The solution is find a balance. Don't be a Poser, and don't be an Outkast.

[Fatal9]

:oldlol: at those who think pete_mont is a movie snob. He's gotta a pretty good taste but if you think that is snobbishness, then chances are you are clearly a type 1. It's not like this dude is coming into movie threads, dissing every movie that isn't by Bergman, Michaelangelo D'Antoni etc (and even those would be on the lower end of the snobbish scale). He's critical of his movies and has seen a wider variety of movies than most ISHers (hence a better taste), to call that snobbish is very ignorant.

[El Kabong]

I hate the Type2 that work in CD stores. You go to the counter, hand them the CD's and they start dissing you for all the purchases you make.

"I can't believe you're buying the best of Air Supply and Simply Red, how can you listen to that garbage?"

[i seen hippos]

Don't go jumping off a bridge now, kids.

[pete's montreux]

exactly, type 1 are mostly harmless. type 2 ironically are every bit the followers type 1 is, because whether they admit it or not, they generally follow the crowd as well, they just take their cue from the rest of the anti-trendy community.

very few people will give a truly blunt and honest opinion about everything, regardless of how anyone else in their "group" thinks of it. even the nonconformists try to posture their opinions to fit into what is acceptable in the nonconformist group. petes montreux is a fine example of this. but its the fact that they think they're being intellectual and the fact that they always wanna flaunt their disagreement and opposition to the norm that makes them worse to be around than type 1.

Woot! I have two groupies!

:hammertime:

[pete's montreux]

:oldlol: at those who think pete_mont is a movie snob. He's gotta a pretty good taste but if you think that is snobbishness, then chances are you are clearly a type 1. It's not like this dude is coming into movie threads, dissing every movie that isn't by Bergman, Michaelangelo D'Antoni etc (and even those would be on the lower end of the snobbish scale). He's critical of his movies and has seen a wider variety of movies than most ISHers (hence a better taste), to call that snobbish is very ignorant.

And the funny thing is, I hardly even participate in movie threads nowadays.

But starface wants my balls on his face so bad he has to bring me up in every single post he makes. One day, starface, one day. You'll be throwing your panties at me when I go to my car in the morning, and maybe on my lunch break from being a "type 2", I'll lower my sack into your mouth and you can weep to yourself.

[ukplayer4]

Yup, movie snobs are some of the most annoying people in the world. It's a ****ing movie, you just watch it, there doesn't have to be a underlying meaning of the underlying undertone.






we need a group 3- people who dont understand film and the generally uncultured that are just so frustrated with their lack of understanding that they attack those who do and call them snobs.....many in this thread for instance.

[ikoiko]

I hate the Type2 that work in CD stores. You go to the counter, hand them the CD's and they start dissing you for all the purchases you make.

"I can't believe you're buying the best of Air Supply and Simply Red, how can you listen to that garbage?"

tell their boss, get them fired. they don't deserve money.

[Kebab Stall]

We need another group - The 'really could not give a sh!t about any of this social status crap' group, that's where I am.

Anyway, who do I hate more? I hate them both equally, but then again, I hate most people.

[El Kabong]

We need another group - The 'really could not give a sh!t about any of this social status crap' group, that's where I am.

Anyway, who do I hate more? I hate them both equally, but then again, I hate most people.
If we had to name a favourite group, I'd pick yours.

[ikoiko]

We need another group - The 'really could not give a sh!t about any of this social status crap' group, that's where I am.

Anyway, who do I hate more? I hate them both equally, but then again, I hate most people.

stop lying, everybody cares about their social status. it's ok, you can admit it. it's only human.

[GUUS]

Type 3: *******s who harshly judge everyone else to avoid looking at themselves

[Kebab Stall]

stop lying, everybody cares about their social status. it's ok, you can admit it. it's only human.
So, according to you, everyone must care about their social status?

It's just not that big of a deal to me. I'm not the most popular guy, I can admit that, I'm not that high on the popularity ladder, but I'm not a loner either, who no one knows. If I cared about my social status, don't think I'd do something to change that?

I'm not going to change the way I feel about something or the way I think, just so I can fit in with a group of people.

The two groups mentioned are at extreme ends of the scale. If I had to place myself, somewhere on that scale, to make you happy, it would be somewhere in the middle, probably favouring the group 2 side.

[ikoiko]

So, according to you, everyone must care about their social status?

It's just not that big of a deal to me. I'm not the most popular guy, I can admit that, I'm not that high on the popularity ladder, but I'm not a loner either, who no one knows. If I cared about my social status, don't think I'd do something to change that?

I'm not going to change the way I feel about something or the way I think, just so I can fit in with a group of people.

The two groups mentioned are at extreme ends of the scale. If I had to place myself, somewhere on that scale, to make you happy, it would be somewhere in the middle, probably favouring the group 2 side.

i you really didn't care about your social status at all, you wouldn't give a f*ck about how people perceived you. you could act like a d1ck all the time because if everyone hated you, it wouldn't make any difference to you whatsoever. now, you seem like a nice enough bloke, so i'm willing to bet that is not the case.

[Kebab Stall]

i you really didn't care about your social status at all, you wouldn't give a f*ck about how people perceived you. you could act like a d1ck all the time because if everyone hated you, it wouldn't make any difference to you whatsoever. now, you seem like a nice enough bloke, so i'm willing to bet that is not the case.
Not everyone, who doesn't care about this sort of thing, acts like a complete d!ckhead or feels the need to do so.

I admit, I care what my friends think of me, my family too, but I don't set out to change my ways of thinking, just so that they'll like me more.

I'm also not going to try and please people I don't know. Hence, why I'm not the most popular guy. Some people try too hard to please others and become popular to their peers, but that's not me. I don't want to try and be popular, it's not something that's high on my list.

[Mamba]

try and have a conversation witha type 1 person and see if u don't try and find a loaded gun as soon as you can.

type two is tolerable, at least they can carry decent conversations, or act like they can atleast.

[HERB Stempel]

pm is a poser with no identifiable qualties. he uses film topics to snuggle up next to his hero johndeeregreene by stroking his ego and echoing his thoughts. problem isnt his stance on film but the way hes trying to fit in with the group of high art clowns. pathetic. ukplayer is another clown on this artificial platform of taste. acting out as a caustic jackass doesn't equate to refined taste sorry. labeling anyone a cretin who doesnt jump on the fountain is a masterpiece train doesnt cut it either.

[BrooklynZoo]

type 2 easyyyy

[LJJ]

I guess I recognize the types, but doesn't this kind of behavior mostly disappear after HS?

[B-Low]

I guess I recognize the types, but doesn't this kind of behavior mostly disappear after HS?

you'd think so but in some ways it gets even worse when you get to college. What you get in college is the people who were nerds in high school and take college as a chance to kinda reinvent themselves as cool, but they dont know how so they either follow the Type 1's that were popular in HS, or they see the Type 2's and think "this is where i finally belong".

[LJJ]

you'd think so but in some ways it gets even worse when you get to college. What you get in college is the people who were nerds in high school and take college as a chance to kinda reinvent themselves as cool, but they dont know how so they either follow the Type 1's that were popular in HS, or they see the Type 2's and think "this is where i finally belong".
Oh, I do know what you mean.

Sometimes you see these dudes who are looking all bad with their hip pilot Aviator sunglasses and it just doesn't look right, because you know how they used to be.


I kind of don't hang out with that sort of people much though.

[CasterL]

both groups are pretty bad.

type 1s get on my **** because they think they are so special and cool when in fact they usually have a cardboard personality. they generally just crave social attention. facebook, twitter, pointless phonecalls all day, amazingly **** taste in music, a general belief that everybody thinks they are wonderful, then newest clothes etc. I know more girls that fit this model than boys as their would be no point in being mates with a bloke like this.

number twos can be pretty annoying aswell. but i think genuine number 2s are alot rarer than number 1s. imo they are just massive attention seekers. they have to be alternative. they have no choice. again they lack a real personality so they cream over anything alternative in order to stand out. i have a flatmate who is a definate number two. she has deep seeded emotional problems.

[ukplayer4]

pm is a poser with no identifiable qualties. he uses film topics to snuggle up next to his hero johndeeregreene by stroking his ego and echoing his thoughts. problem isnt his stance on film but the way hes trying to fit in with the group of high art clowns. pathetic. ukplayer is another clown on this artificial platform of taste. acting out as a caustic jackass doesn't equate to refined taste sorry. labeling anyone a cretin who doesnt jump on the fountain is a masterpiece train doesnt cut it either.




j money?

[poorlilrich]

you'd think so but in some ways it gets even worse when you get to college. What you get in college is the people who were nerds in high school and take college as a chance to kinda reinvent themselves as cool, but they dont know how so they either follow the Type 1's that were popular in HS, or they see the Type 2's and think "this is where i finally belong".

lmao lmao lmao

[Positive]

you'd think so but in some ways it gets even worse when you get to college. What you get in college is the people who were nerds in high school and take college as a chance to kinda reinvent themselves as cool, but they dont know how so they either follow the Type 1's that were popular in HS, or they see the Type 2's and think "this is where i finally belong".


haha wow this is so true.. It's actually pretty funny to look back at kids like that from your high school, and just kinda chuckle and wonder if anyone sees that kid the same way everyone did in high school.

[~primetime~]

We need another group - The 'really could not give a sh!t about any of this social status crap' group, that's where I am.

Anyway, who do I hate more? I hate them both equally, but then again, I hate most people.
you shouldn't hate so much...

seriously, most people are just not worthy of hatred...that is a crappy way to go through life...

[Kebab Stall]

you shouldn't hate so much...

seriously, most people are just not worthy of hatred...that is a crappy way to go through life...
Hate is a very strong word to use and I probably shouldn't have used it.

[Dasher]

2s are the more annoying group, as they have little to no social value. I can tolerate Wayniacs and tweeters, but there is nothing more annoying than a nonconformist who actively tries to not conform. They are joyless creatures, who I feel the need to euthanize.

PS: Souljah Boy is the American Dream, and "Turn My Swag On" is the 2009 9to5ers anthem.

[pete's montreux]

j money?
Nope, starface. He won't use the same account in order to make it seem like the original account doesn't care about what I said.

[Atomic DOG]

Nope, starface. He won't use the same account in order to make it seem like the original account doesn't care about what I said.

lol

the ratio of times you're wrong to times you speak is a staggering 1:1

its both hilarious and lamentable.


also, nobody cares what you said. everyone in this thread just called you a poser. i think its pretty clear how people here value your opinion lol

[halffttime]

what about the in-between? no flashy **** or pop rap, but no super unknown underground **** or emo..

[pete's montreux]

lol

the ratio of times you're wrong to times you speak is a staggering 1:1

its both hilarious and lamentable.


also, nobody cares what you said. everyone in this thread just called you a poser. i think its pretty clear how people here value your opinion lol

Actually, one person called me a poser [since both usernames are you, it's counted as one], and two came to my defense.

You're so pathetic. :roll:

[RedBlackAttack]

Type 1:

v-unit
emsteemz foreals
mr basketball
big baller
vapid


Type 2:
RBA
deucewallaces
marlostanfield
Pete'sMontreaux
I know that you are just having some fun, but I have virtually none of the characteristics of Type 2. While I do have some exotic musical tastes, I also listen to bands like Radiohead, Tool... f#cking Led Zeppelin.... Pearl Jam... Grateful Dead, etc.

I assume I came to mind because I sometimes battle with you about Oasis' place in history.

But, in any case, you listed four of the best posters on the site as Type 2's, so maybe I should take it as a compliment? :pimp:

[RidonKs]

2s are the more annoying group
This isn't true. 1s are more annoying because, stereotypically, they aren't on the intelligence plane of the 2s. That's just the way it is. Perhaps it's as B-low described - the 2s were the nerdy do-gooders who came "into their own" in college and found a niche as an anti-conformist. The 1s were the prepster doofus meatheads who didn't bother to learn because, why the hell would they? It wasn't important. 2s are generally people you can actually hold moderately intelligent conversations with, even if you're fully aware that everything they say is disingenuous.

What's more important is that, if I had to choose, I'd much rather be a 1 than a 2. Because 2s can't enjoy what they pretend to enjoy, because they're too busy pretending that they enjoy it. 1s enjoy their low quality bull**** way too much, but at least they enjoy it without overthinking that very thing they enjoy. To be a 2 is to be completely and utterly self conscious to the 100th percent - which would suck. And I would know, I'm much closer to a 2 than a 1, given my relatively obscure (although not really) taste. I wouldn't categorize myself as a 2, because c'mon, who would? It's a terrible thing to say about yourself, and nobody would freely admit it, because to do so would be self-defeating in that it would forgo that very 2ness which you strive to achieve. I'm certainly a little self-conscious about my taste, which is something I have to get past - sad as it sounds, I often have to remind myself that I don't give a **** about what others think of something as inconsequential as my tastes and hobbies. And yet every so often I catch myself caring instinctively. It's interesting because I don't want to care but at times I do anyways. Maybe that's a 3. lol

[Dasher]

It's been my experience that 1s are the more intelligent group. They tend to not try so hard to prove it to everyone, but they are the smarter of the two. They tend to not use their tastes in other people's creations, to define themselves. High achievers tend to actually be ones, slackers tend to be twos.

[RidonKs]

It's been my experience that 1s are the more intelligent group. They tend to not try so hard to prove it to everyone, but they are the smarter of the two. They tend to not use their tastes in other people's creations, to define themselves. High achievers tend to actually be ones, slackers tend to be twos.
Here's the thing - clearly not everybody can be defined as a 1 or a 2. These two categorizations, at least the way B-Low described them, are a far cry from being collectively exhaustive. You might come across plenty of secure and steadfast folks who appear closer to the category of 1 than they do 2 - but they pretty clearly aren't actual 1s. They don't follow trends led by Paris Hilton's billionaire brigade or watch VH1 reality programming on a nightly basis for the purpose of gossiping about it later. They're just sure of themselves, which as far as I concerned, is something completely different. One might go so far as to call it "normal".

1s are more common than 2s, but there are exactly a ****-ton of either. But for those who actually fall into either category, your 2s will generally be more... well-learned than your 1s.


They tend to not use their tastes in other people's creations, to define themselves.
I missed this the first time. Well put. I think the difference is that, at least in my experience, 1s are less likely to try to define themselves in the first place. They just don't really think about those things. Shallow is probably the word to describe them.

[Dasher]

No they just pretend to be the more well learned out of the two.

[RidonKs]

No they just pretend to be the more well learned out of the two.
Then I guess I've been duped.

[Dasher]

I missed this the first time. Well put. I think the difference is that, at least in my experience, 1s are less likely to try to define themselves in the first place. They just don't really think about those things. Shallow is probably the word to describe them.But isn't it more shallow, to put a great deal of time into coming up with a false identity?

[RidonKs]

But isn't it more shallow, to put a great deal of time into coming up with a false identity?
Sure, but nobody is ever 100% insincere. That's loony and borderline impossible unless you're George Costanza. It can't really be done - at least certain parts of yourself, whether it's your beliefs, your tastes, your opinions, your mannerisms, will be truthful and completely 100% honest. One can put out a facade or an image of themselves that they like and want others to see, but only do so within certain facets of their life.

And hell, even if you do put out a completely false and inaccurate representation of yourself for the world to see, you still have time on your own. While you're alone, there's no reason to act disingenuous, because there isn't anyone around for whom you can put on your act. And during that time comes deep reflection that I don't think true 1s really experience as often. Much more focus is spent on more intellectual subjects, perhaps even due only to the constant exposure to that sort of lifestyle in the "pretend life".

That was rushed and might not make much sense. I'll respond later.

[vapid]

2s are more intelligent. 1s are basically exactly what the national average is, and the average american citizen is a hopeless mouth breather. 2s at least can recognize this and even if they are obsessive about being non-comformist, they still were able to make that conscious decision.

[CantStop]

2s are easily the most annoying.

[flipogb]

type 2, because that person is more likely to tell me he doesn't watch TV or play video games, as if hes better than me becuz of it, then I want to bash his face into the wall

[Kebab Stall]

The type 2 reminds me of this,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCumH8LRo1A

Credit goes to Lamar Doom, for posting this video in one of his threads.

[dak121]

Both types suck.

[RidonKs]

2s are more intelligent. 1s are basically exactly what the national average is, and the average american citizen is a hopeless mouth breather. 2s at least can recognize this and even if they are obsessive about being non-comformist, they still were able to make that conscious decision.
Thank you. That's sort of what I was trying to say, with the only difference being the way you put it made sense and the way I put it didn't.

[~primetime~]

This isn't true. 1s are more annoying because, stereotypically, they aren't on the intelligence plane of the 2s. That's just the way it is. Perhaps it's as B-low described - the 2s were the nerdy do-gooders who came "into their own" in college and found a niche as an anti-conformist. The 1s were the prepster doofus meatheads who didn't bother to learn because, why the hell would they? It wasn't important. 2s are generally people you can actually hold moderately intelligent conversations with, even if you're fully aware that everything they say is disingenuous.

What's more important is that, if I had to choose, I'd much rather be a 1 than a 2. Because 2s can't enjoy what they pretend to enjoy, because they're too busy pretending that they enjoy it. 1s enjoy their low quality bull**** way too much, but at least they enjoy it without overthinking that very thing they enjoy. To be a 2 is to be completely and utterly self conscious to the 100th percent - which would suck. And I would know, I'm much closer to a 2 than a 1, given my relatively obscure (although not really) taste. I wouldn't categorize myself as a 2, because c'mon, who would? It's a terrible thing to say about yourself, and nobody would freely admit it, because to do so would be self-defeating in that it would forgo that very 2ness which you strive to achieve. I'm certainly a little self-conscious about my taste, which is something I have to get past - sad as it sounds, I often have to remind myself that I don't give a **** about what others think of something as inconsequential as my tastes and hobbies. And yet every so often I catch myself caring instinctively. It's interesting because I don't want to care but at times I do anyways. Maybe that's a 3. lol
there is no "true or false" here...it is a matter of personal opinion...

which annoys you more:

1. trendy idiots
2. miserable geeks

nobody can be wrong here, both of them suck, just pick one...

[CantStop]

lmao @ 2s being more intelligent? Neither one is intelligent based off the trendy or untrendy tag they have. The untrendy folks are usually hippies or druggies imo who doesn't follow the norm imo.

[StroShow4]

Based on all the people I have met in both categories, I would say #2s are usually more intelligent.

[i seen hippos]

Somehow everyone has managed to come off as a bigger douche bag than anyone in either group.

If my buddy came up to me and said "Yo, look at those guys. They probably think they're so cool", I'd ask him why he's looking at dudes.

I care about my buddies and the girls I wanna ****. Nothing else. People could go walk around in garbage bags and smoke dick all day for all I care. Worrying about how other people act, dress, etc. is a waste of time.

[~primetime~]

2s are more intelligent. 1s are basically exactly what the national average is, and the average american citizen is a hopeless mouth breather. 2s at least can recognize this and even if they are obsessive about being non-comformist, they still were able to make that conscious decision.
^^^

"2s are at least smart enough to realize that everyone else having fun with their 'BBQs and Ball Games' are hopeless morons!!!. I am so amazingly intelligent that I know I am suppose to be a miserable human!!! Just look at all these stupid sheeple having sex and listening to what everyone listens to, HAHAHA, what fools!!!"

[v-unit]

I would say there isn't a strong correlation for any trend and their intelligence levels. The people I'm hanging out with are going to some of the best schools I know. There are a few that are staying a fifth year, but hey, I can say the same about the losers as well. I have 3 fiends going to to the states too which is damn hard for a Canadian because of all the extra limitations they put on international students.

Needless to say, I'm not chilling with the number 2 crowd and my friends are all averaging 85+% in the school year while also being part of the numbe 1 crowd.

NO CORRELATION.

[v-unit]

LOL at hippos and primetime's response, reps to both.

[StroShow4]

Worrying about how other people act, dress, etc. is a waste of time.

*Screenshots for the purpose of re-posting next time hippos decides to talk about my jerseys, sneakers, or hats*



:lol

[~primetime~]

Somehow everyone has managed to come off as a bigger douche bag than anyone in either group.

If my buddy came up to me and said "Yo, look at those guys. They probably think they're so cool", I'd ask him why he's looking at dudes.

I care about my buddies and the girls I wanna ****. Nothing else. People could go walk around in garbage bags and smoke dick all day for all I care. Worrying about how other people act, dress, etc. is a waste of time.

stop acting like you are above it all...

we all care how we look/act/dress/ect...

and if you say you don't care you are a liar...

the entire reason clothing stores, hair stylists, dentists, tanning beds, fake tits, plastic surgery, colognes/perfumes, shoe styles, nice cars, make-up, ect, ect ect...even EXIST is because we are all so worried about what other people think of us...

if you truely didn't care you would pretty much be a bum...

those are people that really do not give a sh*t...

[halffttime]

2s are more intelligent. 1s are basically exactly what the national average is, and the average american citizen is a hopeless mouth breather. 2s at least can recognize this and even if they are obsessive about being non-comformist, they still were able to make that conscious decision.

:rolleyes:

[i seen hippos]

I care to the point I don't want girls thinking I'm a bum. Exactly.

I don't care to the point I look at guys and think That dude's shoes don't match his top. LOL

[v-unit]

From what I understand, 1's are more successful anyways.

[StroShow4]

From what I understand, 1's are more successful anyways.

Being a shining example of a 1 or a 2 probably isn't ideal for success in life. I know plenty of 1's who don't seem to be accomplishing much. Same with 2s. Somwhere in the middle >>> #1 or #2.

[~primetime~]

I care to the point I don't want girls thinking I'm a bum. Exactly.

I don't care to the point I look at guys and think That dude's shoes don't match his top. LOL
yeah...agreed

unless his shoes are pink...

then that means he is a ***...

and cool people don't like ****...and I am cool

*so f*ck pink sh*t...





*the above statement does not include individuls who are African American due to the fact that "pink sh*t" could very well be "pimp" on them...

[v-unit]

Unfortunatly, there is no one directly in the middle. There is always influence and something causes someone to lean towards one direction. From what I've seen, you need more of a 1 bias.

[Kebab Stall]

yeah...agreed

unless his shoes are pink...

then that means he is a ***...

and cool people don't like ****...and I am cool

*so f*ck pink sh*t...





*the above statement does not include individuls who are African American due to the fact that "pink sh*t" could very well be "pimp" on them...
What about when it's an African American, who's clearly the baddest mofo to walk on the planet, has pinks shoes on?

http://www.philosophyofimage.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/professor_badass_strutting_the_street.jpg

[StroShow4]

Random story about a #1:

I had a friend in HS who was a PERFECT example of a #1. He wanted to be down with every trend, was extremely concerned about his social status, super dramatic, etc... he entered the HS I attended as a junior, and people were cool with him. By the end of senior year, by being so insanely concerned with what everyone else was doing/his social status/your typical HS dramatics he had no friends left. :oldlol:

[~primetime~]

Unfortunatly, there is no one directly in the middle. There is always influence and something causes someone to lean towards one direction. From what I've seen, you need more of a 1 bias.


yeah, everyone is "trendy" to some degree, no matter what age...


if you were a female in the 60s/70s then you jeans were bell bottoms

if you are a female today then your jeans are low-cut



in different eras human fashion trends are noticable in damn near every human in the United States...

we all follow to some degree...

[~primetime~]

What about when it's an African American, who's clearly the baddest mofo to walk on the planet, has pinks shoes on?

http://www.philosophyofimage.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/professor_badass_strutting_the_street.jpg
:oldlol:

yeah I have seen that before...


Terrell Owens in the background there...

[v-unit]

Success story about #1:

My friend came into my highschool at the same time as me (grade 9) and he was always inbetween. Through me, I made sure he realized how important it was to be looked at positively by others and to make sure that his image was always looked up upon. A few months pass and he started to go out with my friends and having fun. He became so famous in our school that even random teachers that didn't have him knew him. Because he became so self conscience about his appearance and social ability, he blossomed in our school and even got a scholarship for 12k at Queens university (Prestigious school). It's no coincidence.

Fail story about #2:

My friend came into my highschool with the attitude that albums like Dance Dance Revolution soundtracks were better then Led Zeppelin IV, Revolver, etc. Not only this, but he didn't even attempt to listen to bands outside of dance mixtapes. Soon, he doesn't try out for the basketball team but goes for the depressing swim team, does not do typical teenage activities and sticks to not fallowing ANY trend to the smallest degree. Anyways, no one has seen him for 3 months and apperently he is homeless and addicted to heroin. He is probably in and out of rehab every few weeks but it's not like this wasn't expected. He was, afterall, a #2.

[pete's montreux]

I think I read on Snopes that that guy is actually a famous clothing designer and he walks that same street almost every day. They even had multiple pictures of him from the same street wearing all sorts of crazy stuff.

[Kebab Stall]

yeah, everyone is "trendy" to some degree, no matter what age...


if you were a female in the 60s/70s then you jeans were bell bottoms

if you are a female today then your jeans are low-cut



in different eras human fashion trends are noticable in damn near every human in the United States...

we all follow to some degree...
I agree.

I remember when striped shirts got huge over here. I don't know if the trend got big in the States, but damn near everyone was wearing a striped t-shirt or polo and if you didn't have one, then you were labelled as clearly trying to not fit in.

Similarly with Uggs. Almost all girls wear them. No matter what social status. Also, a big thing over here in the UK recently (again, I don't know if this got big in the States), is girls wearing only spandex tights. No dress or shorts or anything over them, just a pair of spandex tights. Maybe a long shirt to atleast make an attempt at covering up, but it never worked.

However, being an 18 year old lad, in college, with almost every girl walking around look like this.....

http://www.myfitnesswear.com/store/images/uploads/P7220399.jpg

.....just makes the day a lot more enjoyable.

[StroShow4]

Success story about #1:

My friend came into my highschool at the same time as me (grade 9) and he was always inbetween. Through me, I made sure he realized how important it was to be looked at positively by others and to make sure that his image was always looked up upon. A few months pass and he started to go out with my friends and having fun. He became so famous in our school that even random teachers that didn't have him knew him. Because he became so self conscience about his appearance and social ability, he blossomed in our school and even got a scholarship for 12k at Queens university (Prestigious school). It's no coincidence.

Fail story about #2:

My friend came into my highschool with the attitude that albums like Dance Dance Revolution soundtracks were better then Led Zeppelin IV, Revolver, etc. Not only this, but he didn't even attempt to listen to bands outside of dance mixtapes. Soon, he doesn't try out for the basketball team but goes for the depressing swim team, does not do typical teenage activities and sticks to not fallowing ANY trend to the smallest degree. Anyways, no one has seen him for 3 months and apperently he is homeless and addicted to heroin. He is probably in and out of rehab every few weeks but it's not like this wasn't expected. He was, afterall, a #2.

So what we have learned here is that kids who join the swim team will one day end up homeless, and kids who hang out with V-Unit will attend major universities and live happily ever after..

[v-unit]

So what we have learned here is that kids who join the swim team will one day end up homeless, and kids who hang out with V-Unit will attend major universities and live happily ever after..

Ye.

[Big Al All day]

we need a group 3- people who dont understand film and the generally uncultured that are just so frustrated with their lack of understanding that they attack those who do and call them snobs.....many in this thread for instance.
periodperiodperiodperiodperiodperiodperiodperiodpe riodperiodperiodperiod

YEAH cool idea, your funny too btw lol mad rep coming your way.

[GUUS]

oi what am i, I like pop rap like TI, akon, but also old school rap and wu tang, also eurotrash music like basshunter and Black eyed peas when clubbing and then indie rock like Arcade fire, velvet underground, david bowie I like big budget hollywood movies and also i like bizarre foreign movies, i went to art school but am quitting to switch to architecture cuz illustration wasn't my thing and also I couldn't stand hanging out with most of the people in art school cuz they were try hard number 2s. I got good group of friends, but not an enormous social circle, am i just a try hard who tries to fit in to both groups lol?


See I and probably nearly everyone on this board judges themselves as right in between and not really a number one or number two, but when people judge themselves they always judge themselves alot better than they actually are.

Is it true that type 1 and type 2 are the only types? What are the other types?

[Big Al All day]

oi what am i, I like pop rap like TI, akon, but also old school rap and wu tang, and then indie rock like Arcade fire, velvet underground, david bowie I like big budget hollywood movies and also i like bizarre foreign movies, i went to art school but am quitting to switch to architecture cuz illustration wasn't my thing and also I couldn't stand hanging out with most of the people in art school cuz they were try hard number 2s. I got good group of friends, but not an enormous social circle, am i just a try hard who tries to fit in to both groups lol?


See I and probably nearly everyone on this board judges themselves as right in between and not really a number one or number two, but when people judge themselves they always judge themselves alot better than they actually are.

Is it true that type 1 and type 2 are the only types? What are the other types?

Type 1 and Type 2 as B-Low listed are the extreme ends of the spectrum. There are a lot of grey areas, just like my sexuality (wait what?)

[v-unit]

Type 1 and Type 2 as B-Low listed are the extreme ends of the spectrum. There are a lot of grey areas, just like my sexuality (wait what?)

Ahahahahaha ANOTHER rep

[GUUS]

yeh here in UK tons of girls just wear tights instead of jeans with no skirt or anything, i dont know if they do that in america yet but its not a bad trend to follow, generally chicks get a free pass if they are glued to trends, except that whole bug glasses poofy dress thing.

The popped collar polo + spiked hair and aviators was the worst trend

[GUUS]

Type 1 and Type 2 as B-Low listed are the extreme ends of the spectrum. There are a lot of grey areas, just like my sexuality (wait what?)
word up son:lol

[GiveItToBurrito]

I dislike Super Untrendy more. Most of my friends fall closer to this extreme, and it can be annoying as hell listening to them talk **** about Vampire Weekend and The Decemberists now that they're semi-famous. The most annoying part of it, though, is how they seem to pretend to like stuff that's not even that good, just weird. Like, I just refuse to believe that so many people sincerely enjoy Animal Collective. Plus, it's just annoying how they'll refuse to love anything popular. At the same time, it's nice having people to see Jason Statham movies with, so they're not all bad.

The people who like trendy stuff can be annoying, but at least it's easy to have something to talk about with them if you just watch Sportscenter and The Soup. Not to mention that I'm semi-obsessed with Lady Gaga right now (don't you ****ing judge me! :no: ), and the people who like popular **** are more into her.

[Atomic DOG]

Type 2's are also much more likely to say the following:

"I hate organized religion...but I do believe in karma."


Karma is a belief directly born of the Hindu religion. It is not an a-thiestic, independent or universal concept (at least it wasnt until it became un-trendy trendy to adopt it as the athiests solution to believing what they want without identifying themselves as religious). It is a concept that comes from ancient Indian religions, namely Hinduism.

To say "I believe in Karma, but I'm not Hindu" is like saying "I believe in Jesus....but I'm not christian."


But type 2ers love to say they're not religious but believe in karma. its something vapid would say (and probably has)

[vapid]

i believe in karma, im religuous, but i dont subscribe to any specific organized religion. btw karma is in buddhism, jainism, and sikhism, as well as probably most eastern religions.

[Atomic DOG]

i believe in karma, im religuous, but i dont subscribe to any specific organized religion. btw karma is in buddhism, jainism, and sikhism, as well as probably most eastern religions.


yes and jesus is in islam but did not originate there.


you have frequently made your abhorrence for organized religion known, yet you believe in a supernatural concept that directly originates from the hindu religion. its no different than being a christian. except that you probably think it gives you intellectual credibility to say you believe in hindu philosophy because it sounds exotic, while you'd never want anyone to think you believe in jesus because in america its considered hillbillyesque.

you are a religious poser.

[~primetime~]

i believe in karma, im religuous, but i dont subscribe to any specific organized religion. btw karma is in buddhism, jainism, and sikhism, as well as probably most eastern religions.
I think that means you are just spirtual or a "theist"...

I don't think it is possible to be religous without having a religon...




or maybe I am wrong and that word is more versitile than I thought...:confusedshrug:

[vapid]

human nature has many underlying aspects that many cultures and therefore, religions, share in common. I try to gather certain aspects of religion that I believe are universal truths and subscribe to them. Organized religion has too many tenents that are not flexibile enough to be perfect for every person.

[Atomic DOG]

human nature has many underlying aspects that many cultures and therefore, religions, share in common. I try to gather certain aspects of religion that I believe are universal truths and subscribe to them. Organized religion has too many tenents that are not flexibile enough to be perfect for every person.


what is your basis for believing in karma?

do you have any physical evidence or verifiable examples?

its just something you want to believe in because you want it to be true. the idea of it was made up thousands of years ago by some dudes starting a religion. it is in NO WAY DIFFERENT than believing in heaven or jesus.

you HAMMER people for believing in heaven and jesus. but you're gonna sit here and say you believe in karma? :applause:

[vapid]

I do have circumstanial evidence that I have experienced myself.

And once again, primetime proves himself an idiot.

[Dasher]

What about when it's an African American, who's clearly the baddest mofo to walk on the planet, has pinks shoes on?

http://www.philosophyofimage.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/professor_badass_strutting_the_street.jpg

http://fluxuryb.com/uploads/2009/03/gucci_mane.jpg

Gucci Mane approves.

[1~Gibson~1]

I've noticed we got both sides of the field wiiiiidely represented on ISH, and both are annoying in their own ways, so I was wondering which you guys found more annoying.

Type 1: In the blue corner we have the SUPER trendy people. The ones who like anything that is popular to the masses and declare it the greatest of all time 2 weeks into liking it. These are the Wayne fans who call him the GOAT, these are the guys you see at the club wearing scarves because they saw Kanye West doing it. These are the girls who wear UGGS, these are the dudes that wear stunna shades at 11pm. The people who watch BET and MTV just so they can learn the Ricky Bobby and the Soulja Boy. These are the girls who say things like BFF and "I'm so over that" just because that's what they think they should say this week. The ones who update their facebook status every 5 minutes. Don't try to tell them that the masses are wrong cuz 5,000,000 people can't be wrong in their eyes.

Type 2: Aaaaand in the red corner we have the non-conformists. The ones who will only watch a movie if its dubbed in another language and features actors that nobody's ever heard of. The ones who will enter any discussion of music with 1,000 underground rock bands/rappers and say if you don't know who they are then you're not a true fan of music. The ones who feel like Lil Scooby from down the street could out battle Eminem anyday. The ones who refuse to eat at national fast food chains because they don't make it as good as Aunt Erma's Hole In the Wall Cafe. Who hear a name like Miley Cyrus that they DEFINITELY know and say "who is that? i seriously never heard of her because i don't watch MTV". The ones who will do absolutely anything to prove to the world that they are on an entirely different level than anyone else.

So who is worst, type 1 or type 2?

Let's hear it ISH!i hate those kinds :rant get a life :rant

i hate type 1's

[Atomic DOG]

I do have circumstanial evidence that I have experienced myself.





lol

you lose.

[vapid]

lol

you lose.
In other words, you have no more argument. Go back to selling shoes.

[Atomic DOG]

In other words, you have no more argument. Go back to selling shoes.


:roll: :roll: :roll:

next time you slam christianity or religion in general, i will bump this thread. every time you do it i will bump this thread.

"I believe in Karma! But, I dont subscribe to a religion. But you know, I have secret evidence that Karma exists!"


...and your desperately sought intellectual credibility swirls down the drain

[vapid]

I never said karma definitely exists, but I believe in it. I don't push karma down other people's throats, I don't preach it. Its something that I think might exist. I have evidence that has led me to believe in its existence, but there is no solid proof. This is the difference between my belief in karma and my crticism of others that believe it is undeniable that christianity or some other organized religion and all of its specific tenets is the one and only truth for all to follow.

[Atomic DOG]

I never said karma definitely exists, but I believe in it. I don't push karma down other people's throats, I don't preach it. Its something that I think might exist. I have evidence that has led me to believe in its existence, but there is no solid proof. This is the difference between my belief in karma and my crticism of others that believe it is undeniable that christianity or some other organized religion and all of its specific tenets is the one and only truth for all to follow.


LOL your attempt to escape this epic loss is doing nothing more than digging you in deeper.

So you believe in Karma. Then you say it "might" exist. But you believe it does. And you have "evidence" that i assume you dont have the guts to share (because its made up and will get you laughed outta here) but your belief in "karma" which is a philosophy proposed and established by indian religious groups, is completely different than all those other follower sheep (your words) that believe in religious concepts like jesus and heaven.

you have been weighed, measured, and found asian. :oldlol: good day.

[vapid]

LOL your attempt to escape this epic loss is doing nothing more than digging you in deeper.

So you believe in Karma. Then you say it "might" exist. But you believe it does. And you have "evidence" that i assume you dont have the guts to share (because its made up and will get you laughed outta here) but your belief in "karma" which is a philosophy proposed and established by indian religious groups, is completely different than all those other follower sheep (your words) that believe in religious concepts like jesus and heaven.

you have been weighed, measured, and found asian. :oldlol: good day.
your terrible reading comprehension is embarassing. And who said I didn't believe in an afterlife? It might not be called heaven, but I'm certainly not going to throw away the possibility of a plane of existence that is beyond the one we currently experience.

[GUUS]

LOL your attempt to escape this epic loss is doing nothing more than digging you in deeper.

So you believe in Karma. Then you say it "might" exist. But you believe it does. And you have "evidence" that i assume you dont have the guts to share (because its made up and will get you laughed outta here) but your belief in "karma" which is a philosophy proposed and established by indian religious groups, is completely different than all those other follower sheep (your words) that believe in religious concepts like jesus and heaven.

you have been weighed, measured, and found asian. :oldlol: good day.
people can believe whatever the hell they want it doesnt have to be a religion or fit in with religious principles, for example some people probably believe jesus was an alien, whatever good for them. This guy believes in karma but he doesn't understand the principles behind it or how it was founded. Yeh sure he's confused and doesn't know what he believes, but laughing at someone for believing in karma is like laughing at someone who believes in god, isnt all belief personal?

For example Im a jew I believe in karma, i dont understand the principles behind it or whatever, how i see karma is if someone does something dickish for example they will get payed back and screwed over by something, and if they do something good, they will get back something good. Maybe that is completely wrong but whatever

[Atomic DOG]

your terrible reading comprehension is embarassing. And who said I didn't believe in an afterlife? It might not be called heaven, but I'm certainly not going to throw away the possibility of a plane of existence that is beyond the one we currently experience.

vapid calls religion "the root of all evil" (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=101998)

vapid loves his "money-loving jewish brothers" (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=104638&page=2)

vapid big ups L. Ron Hubbard into making foolish people believe his religion (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=128629)



but.......you believe in karma? (Karma (Sanskrit: कर्म Karma.ogg k

[vapid]

:oldlol: I guess sarcasm really is that difficult to detect on the internet.

[Atomic DOG]

:oldlol: I guess sarcasm really is that difficult to detect on the internet.


so can you give us some details as to what personal experience gave you your belief in karma?

[vapid]

so can you give us some details as to what personal experience gave you your belief in karma?
When I tend to commit an act that can probably be viewed as morally evil or wrong, somehow I tend to get punished. My human mind often highlights these seemingly random acts as having a guiding supernatural force behind each set of action/retribution and attributes it to a spiritual force that I associate with the commonly described phenomena known as karma.

Logically, there is no accurate explanation, but in order to maximize my utility I take oftenly deemd irrational actions, mostly right before or during crucial periods of my life, which can be seen as earning me "good karma", without going too far out to hinder my endeavors, because there is no perceived negative aspect of performing such a good deed and in the .00000whatever1% chance that karma actually exists, I'll have increased my chances of a positive outcome in whatever I want to accomplish at the time.

[GUUS]

When I tend to commit an act that can probably be viewed as morally evil or wrong, somehow I tend to get punished. My human mind often highlights these seemingly random acts as having a guiding supernatural force behind each set of action/retribution and attributes it to a spiritual force that I associate with the commonly described phenomena known as karma.

Logically, there is no accurate explanation, but in order to maximize my utility I take oftenly deemd irrational actions, mostly right before or during crucial periods of my life, which can be seen as earning me "good karma", without going too far out to hinder my endeavors, because there is no perceived negative aspect of performing such a good deed and in the .00000whatever1% chance that karma actually exists, I'll have increased my chances of a positive outcome in whatever I want to accomplish at the time.

lol yeh vapid is definately a huge type 2, no denying that, and not the tolerable kind :(

[~primetime~]

vapid's constant "I am smarter than all these hopeless sheeple fools" attitude does make him a very difficult to like...

it doesn't seem like what a decent religous/spiritual/ect human would seek to be in life either...

[GUUS]

vapid's constant "I am smarter than all these hopeless sheeple fools" attitude does make him a very difficult to like...

it doesn't seem like what a decent religous/spiritual/ect human would seek to be in life either...
he's a self admitted godless soul!!!

but he's not that bad, just a little know-it-ally at times

[ukplayer4]

in all honesty what vapid is describing is pretty normal and not difficult to understand/relate to. you are pretty stupid if you dont follow what hes saying.

[~primetime~]

in all honesty what vapid is describing is pretty normal and not difficult to understand/relate to. you are pretty stupid if you dont follow what hes saying.
I personally am not talking about this thread really...

I am just talking about what I have read from him in general...

although in this thread hedid reffer say "most americans are hopeless mouth breathers"...as though he is above everyone else...

[Atomic DOG]

in all honesty what vapid is describing is pretty normal and not difficult to understand/relate to. you are pretty stupid if you dont follow what hes saying.


just because its normal, doesnt make it sensible.

the guy constantly rips into religious people, then takes the typical, "type 2" pretentious "i hate religion...but i believe in karma, as well as [insert obscure budhist teachings]."

they think americans are dumb for being christians but they think they are smart and fancy because they believe in a much less popular religion or religious teaching that they perceive to be too complex for the common american.

its no coincidence that the "karma" crowd being type 2 came to my mind even before the discussion with vapid, but predictably he is exactly one of those people. too smart for traditional american religion, but has all sorts of excuses and reasons why his believing in a religion is "completely different than when an american believes in religion like christianity"

you are probably the exact same type. god knows all your movie "analysis" sounds like you waited to hear what your favorite critic had to say than repeated it verbatim. you love trying to be pretentious. karma would logically be right up your alley.

[vapid]

just because its normal, doesnt make it sensible.

the guy constantly rips into religious people, then takes the typical, "type 2" pretentious "i hate religion...but i believe in karma, as well as [insert obscure budhist teachings]."

they think americans are dumb for being christians but they think they are smart and fancy because they believe in a much less popular religion or religious teaching that they perceive to be too complex for the common american.

its no coincidence that the "karma" crowd being type 2 came to my mind even before the discussion with vapid, but predictably he is exactly one of those people. too smart for traditional american religion, but has all sorts of excuses and reasons why his believing in a religion is "completely different than when an american believes in religion like christianity"

you are probably the exact same type. god knows all your movie "analysis" sounds like you waited to hear what your favorite critic had to say than repeated it verbatim. you love trying to be pretentious. karma would logically be right up your alley.

When did Christianity in its most common forms become mainly known as a traditional American religion? I'm pretty sure its been around before that.

i believe in certain aspects of certain religions, and certain things that I've modelled myself. Religion should be mainly personal, and different for each person.

[Atomic DOG]

i believe in certain aspects of certain religions, and certain things that I've modelled myself. Religion should be mainly personal, and different for each person.


religion BY DEFINITION is not personal, its communal.

you are caught in a quagmire of contradiction, pretension, and hypocrisy. why dont you just admit your ramblings about karma and attempts to straddle the fence between being religious and being above religion have been a complete joke in which the punchline is you failing to save intellectual face.

its all out there for everyone to see. better if you just admit it and move on. you're kicking through quicksand right now.

[vapid]

religion BY DEFINITION is not personal, its communal.

you are caught in a quagmire of contradiction, pretension, and hypocrisy. why dont you just admit your ramblings about karma and attempts to straddle the fence between being religious and being above religion have been a complete joke in which the punchline is you failing to save intellectual face.

its all out there for everyone to see. better if you just admit it and move on. you're kicking through quicksand right now.
you obviously must be reading different words than I am, I don't feel any quicksand around my legs.

Here is the first definition of religion on Dictionary.com:


a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

The second one is:
a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.

Now the second is what you probably view as all that religion encompasses, but you're narrowing your scope of what religion can be.

[Joshumitsu]

OP, your 'types' are both flawed because they don't examine the reasoning behind the stated assumptions. But I'm going to try basing my opinion off of your presented stereotypes.

Problems with Group 1
The problem with people from group #1, as pointed from another poster, is that they see the world in cardboard cutouts. Life is black and white. To them, there is a hierarchical authority which determines good and bad. Usually, they will follow this sense of authority with little question. From this authority stems their values. Their values are prepackaged and because of this, I guess you could call them puppets. There isn't a whole lot of conscious thinking behind their decision. I'm not saying they aren't smart or illogical or that they don't notice it, it's just that their thinking is more directed toward themselves.

I'm not saying that they fail to notice something of quality either because they do sometimes and they don't care. Hence the reason why they may regard a film such as Citizen Kane as a pinnacle of quality filmmaking but consider something more modern and more action-romantic-comedic as their "personal quality film" because the action-romance-comedies fulfill their wishful desires. A more specific example of this is last year when I met a person with a "type 1" quality who argued that the Mona Lisa was useless because we have the technological superiority to just photoshop the Mona Lisa instead of spending hours, days, and months painting. He obviously is an idiotic-computer nerd version of the type 1 but this illustrates how many type 1's choose to categorize favorites. Favoritism isn't a question of quality nor quantity but rather of appeal to oneself through one's values; in other words, wishful desire.

You may hear people complain about how "shallow" and "materialistic" our society has become. These people seek to decorate their surfaces, most likely because of a lack of personality. And this materialism (furthermore, capitalism), as an idea, works. It's a pool of cultural evolution in which the masses determine the template that is most personally fitting survives.

However, because of the internet, it becomes harder to determine what the ideal image of the masses is. From here arises group number #2.

The problem with people from group #2 is that most of them are just an altered version of the first group. Most #2's will say they aren't #1's but really are. While it may have been true that, at first, these guys were pseduo-intellectuals who reacted to conformity, it is different nowadays. This is because of the internet. With the spread of the internet, it has become even trendy now to look untrendy. The rise of underground/indie scenes and hipster fashion through message boards, youtube, facebook, and myspace has skyrocketed the number of these types. It has become cool to learn and be culturally aware.

Now, the problem arises from here. Because they're like the first group but reject the values of the first group, they become paradoxical (but not contradictory). This causes subjectivity to rise. But because they want something objective and not subjective (fulfilling their wishful desires again), they choose to ignore the subjectivity. Hence, they will choose to just like dressing a certain way or listening to something that is different or "avant garde". They will personally choose not to acknowledge anything that has gone mainstream/commercial.

This is likely a disadvantage because while they open their eyes more to different things, they begin to lose sight of the cultural paradigm shifts around them. They lose sight of their original values and betray themselves while staying within themselves. They're, as said, paradoxical but refuse to acknowledge said paradoxes. From here, their narcissistic and paranoid attitude takes over. This attitude dictates what is good and what is bad, causing them to flush out what is bad.

A good analogy of this is the Dark Knight, where Gotham's White Knight lawyer Harvey Dent becomes corrupt and turns into Two-Face, only seeing black and white. (

Speaking of movies, there was a poster in this thread that said movies should just be movies and not analyzed. This is a type 1 trait. A type 2 will most likely response to that by saying the said poster "ignores the cultural values that are shared through the diverse lifestyles of humanity. Art imitates life just as much as life imitates art. Values cannot and should not be preached and authorized hence the reason why quality art and quality literature should be analyzed for their views on life..."

But of course, by responding like that, that type 2 person just contradicted himself by trying to preach his own view upon the type 1 movie viewer. Type 2's are more like a conformed elitist branch who refused to acknowledge the roots of their type 1 values.


Personal Opinions
Now, honestly, I feel both types are really just two aspects of the same thing. I've seen success stories and failure stories, athletes, artists, idiots, intellectuals, babes, musicians, writers, politicians, etc from each side.

Me, I prefer to be ahead of the rat pack, but I'm not some elitist either. I know I spend more time doing things from group number 2 so I might be biased but I do believe being from group number 2 allows one to gravitate toward a more balanced 'type'. Finding some place in between definitely helps.

Fashion, music, etc definitely shaped the scene. The only thing that has changed is that things have become more commercialized. I mean, if you want to look at the past, the 60's, 70's, you will see that they're almost no different from today. And you have to understand that the ideas of both type 1 and type 2 are necessary in cultural evolution. What is everything we see but just culture?

I think the OP is slightly confused and misguided in his views of type 1 and type 2. It's not a matter of people trying to be something. It's a matter of the stories that drive these people and the effects that these stories have on us as a society.

[vapid]

hm. I wonder where starface went, I thought he was busy destroying me with his amazing argumentative skills.

[B-Low]

OP, your 'types' are both flawed because they don't examine the reasoning behind the stated assumptions. But I'm going to try basing my opinion off of your presented stereotypes.

Problems with Group 1
The problem with people from group #1, as pointed from another poster, is that they see the world in cardboard cutouts. Life is black and white. To them, there is a hierarchical authority which determines good and bad. Usually, they will follow this sense of authority with little question. From this authority stems their values. Their values are prepackaged and because of this, I guess you could call them puppets. There isn't a whole lot of conscious thinking behind their decision. I'm not saying they aren't smart or illogical or that they don't notice it, it's just that their thinking is more directed toward themselves.

I'm not saying that they fail to notice something of quality either because they do sometimes and they don't care. Hence the reason why they may regard a film such as Citizen Kane as a pinnacle of quality filmmaking but consider something more modern and more action-romantic-comedic as their "personal quality film" because the action-romance-comedies fulfill their wishful desires. A more specific example of this is last year when I met a person with a "type 1" quality who argued that the Mona Lisa was useless because we have the technological superiority to just photoshop the Mona Lisa instead of spending hours, days, and months painting. He obviously is an idiotic-computer nerd version of the type 1 but this illustrates how many type 1's choose to categorize favorites. Favoritism isn't a question of quality nor quantity but rather of appeal to oneself through one's values; in other words, wishful desire.

You may hear people complain about how "shallow" and "materialistic" our society has become. These people seek to decorate their surfaces, most likely because of a lack of personality. And this materialism (furthermore, capitalism), as an idea, works. It's a pool of cultural evolution in which the masses determine the template that is most personally fitting survives.

However, because of the internet, it becomes harder to determine what the ideal image of the masses is. From here arises group number #2.

The problem with people from group #2 is that most of them are just an altered version of the first group. Most #2's will say they aren't #1's but really are. While it may have been true that, at first, these guys were pseduo-intellectuals who reacted to conformity, it is different nowadays. This is because of the internet. With the spread of the internet, it has become even trendy now to look untrendy. The rise of underground/indie scenes and hipster fashion through message boards, youtube, facebook, and myspace has skyrocketed the number of these types. It has become cool to learn and be culturally aware.

Now, the problem arises from here. Because they're like the first group but reject the values of the first group, they become paradoxical (but not contradictory). This causes subjectivity to rise. But because they want something objective and not subjective (fulfilling their wishful desires again), they choose to ignore the subjectivity. Hence, they will choose to just like dressing a certain way or listening to something that is different or "avant garde". They will personally choose not to acknowledge anything that has gone mainstream/commercial.

This is likely a disadvantage because while they open their eyes more to different things, they begin to lose sight of the cultural paradigm shifts around them. They lose sight of their original values and betray themselves while staying within themselves. They're, as said, paradoxical but refuse to acknowledge said paradoxes. From here, their narcissistic and paranoid attitude takes over. This attitude dictates what is good and what is bad, causing them to flush out what is bad.

A good analogy of this is the Dark Knight, where Gotham's White Knight lawyer Harvey Dent becomes corrupt and turns into Two-Face, only seeing black and white. (

Speaking of movies, there was a poster in this thread that said movies should just be movies and not analyzed. This is a type 1 trait. A type 2 will most likely response to that by saying the said poster "ignores the cultural values that are shared through the diverse lifestyles of humanity. Art imitates life just as much as life imitates art. Values cannot and should not be preached and authorized hence the reason why quality art and quality literature should be analyzed for their views on life..."

But of course, by responding like that, that type 2 person just contradicted himself by trying to preach his own view upon the type 1 movie viewer. Type 2's are more like a conformed elitist branch who refused to acknowledge the roots of their type 1 values.


Personal Opinions
Now, honestly, I feel both types are really just two aspects of the same thing. I've seen success stories and failure stories, athletes, artists, idiots, intellectuals, babes, musicians, writers, politicians, etc from each side.

Me, I prefer to be ahead of the rat pack, but I'm not some elitist either. I know I spend more time doing things from group number 2 so I might be biased but I do believe being from group number 2 allows one to gravitate toward a more balanced 'type'. Finding some place in between definitely helps.

Fashion, music, etc definitely shaped the scene. The only thing that has changed is that things have become more commercialized. I mean, if you want to look at the past, the 60's, 70's, you will see that they're almost no different from today. And you have to understand that the ideas of both type 1 and type 2 are necessary in cultural evolution. What is everything we see but just culture?

I think the OP is slightly confused and misguided in his views of type 1 and type 2. It's not a matter of people trying to be something. It's a matter of the stories that drive these people and the effects that these stories have on us as a society.

I wasn't really thinkin that deep into it but nice essay anyway lol :oldlol:

[hateraid]

Type 1 pushes it over the top because they ALWAYS claim, " I was doing this way before it was trendy."

[DeuceWallaces]

hm. I wonder where starface went, I thought he was busy destroying me with his amazing argumentative skills.

Starface is a Grade A idiot and every one knows it. It's surprising he still comes here after he's been embarrassed so many times.

[Atomic DOG]

Starface is a Grade A idiot and every one knows it. It's surprising he still comes here after he's been embarrassed so many times.


is the albino who rocks a bandana with a collared shirt and looks more like a girl than a guy talking about someone being embarrassed?

[big baller]

Type 1:

v-unit
emsteemz foreals
mr basketball
big baller
vapid


Type 2:
RBA
deucewallaces
marlostanfield
Pete'sMontreaux


Whaat??


Don't like Wayne much at all, scarves...in Florida? LOL. Don't wear shades period, don't watch BET...watch MTV only for shows like duel 2, cannot stand Soulja boy, and do not have a facebook or myspace or any of that crap. How am I type 1??? These were all the things listed for type 1.


I personally do not like both, but type 1 gets on my nerves more so.

[DeuceWallaces]

is the albino who rocks a bandana with a collared shirt and looks more like a girl than a guy talking about someone being embarrassed?

I'm dutch, the collared shirt was linen so it didn't look too bad with a bandanna, and I'd be one ugly girl. Furthermore, being embarrassed has nothing to do with appearance and everything to do with your thoughts and actions. In which case, I'm surprised you leave the house.

[dab0yech0]

I guess I am trendy? I rock some high top Dunks or Blazers with some fitted Levi 501s or Orisue jeans with a fit tshirt and a LA fitted most of the time. But I love eating at my local hole in the wall spots and I support alot of the moms and pops shops as well so maybe Im a mix of both?

[phelix2000]

I'm not going to lie though...it's so funny seeing everyone wear all the same stuff constantly. Like on a rainy day...all the girls be wearing rain boots of different designs and colors. Swear I think I saw a coach brand of rain boots (it's brown and has the B and a backwards B or some sh!t).

It's kinda pathetic. And then you see all the hippie pro-Obama people wearing tye-dye shirts and riding fixie bikes and wearing hats with goodwill shoes on and jorts and bandanas.

And then add on the frat boys wearing polos, short as muthaf*cking docker shorts, sunglasses wit a strap, a backwards polo hat and new balance shoes or sperry's.

It's all one sad, pathetic scene.

Man you hit the frat boys on the spot.