You can make a case that LeBron's 2009 Playoff run was Jordanesque!

[bruceblitz]

Jordan had three 35-6-6 playoff seasons (1987, 1990, 1993—the year that the Bulls won their third straight title) and four 33-6-6 playoff seasons.

Notice how similar LeBron's playoff run was to Jordan's from 20 years ago:
LeBron James,.. 2009: 35.3ppg 51%fg 9reb 7ast(lost in Eastern Conference Finals)
Michael Jordan, 1989: 34.8ppg 51%fg 7.0reb 7.6ast(lost in Eastern Conference Finals to the eventual NBA champion Detroit Pistons).

So now LeBron has 1 33-6-6 or better playoff run, Jordan had 4.... you gotta believe LeBron has a good chance to match that.....

[Laker4Lyfe]

blah..blah...blah...blah...blah...blah...blah....b lah....blah....blah...blah...blah...blah....

:ohwell:

[bruceblitz]

:ohwell:
Just proving my point that most of you Kobe fans are idiots.

[Brujesino]

Carrot Top
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k283/mexican26_2006/carrot_top-1.jpg

[lakers_forever]

This Lebron James talk is so last round. :lol

[Laker4Lyfe]

Just proving my point that most of you Kobe fans are idiots.

Please find a post of me praising Kobe. Please....... PLEASE.....

That's an easy line to throw out though so I totally understand. Don't be mad at me because all that garbage you type looks like blah..blah.. blah.. to me.

That's my opinion and I'm entitled to it.

You are right though, Jordan and Lebron do have something in common. Neither one of them is playing basketball right now. :confusedshrug:

[Juges8932]

Woo, 1st two rounds against a washed up Pistons and the Hawks...lol, come on. His run was impressive, but when you look at it for what it is and the teams he was up against, no.

[Duncan21formvp]

[QUOTE=bruceblitz]Jordan had three 35-6-6 playoff seasons (1987, 1990, 1993

[GUUS]

Lebron's run was Jordanesque, until he choked it at the end of game 6 vs Orlando.

Just like his run was Jordanesque until he ran into the Spurs and got swept in 07.

They need a new word for that kind of run, how bout Lebronesque?

[TryToBeUnbias]

Please find a post of me praising Kobe. Please....... PLEASE.....

That's an easy line to throw out though so I totally understand. Don't be mad at me because all that garbage you type looks like blah..blah.. blah.. to me.

That's my opinion and I'm entitled to it.

You are right though, Jordan and Lebron do have something in common. Neither one of them is playing basketball right now. :confusedshrug:

low blow :roll:

[momo]

Or Kobe esque

[KenneBell]

You are right though, Jordan and Lebron do have something in common. Neither one of them is playing basketball right now. :confusedshrug:
http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n285/phreaknes/funny/DamnFriday.jpg

[bruceblitz]

Or Kobe esque
You ****in Lakers homers and Kobe jocking apostles need to go join a Lakers message board. You people ruin even the slightest bit of a chance of ISH being a legit place for NBA fans to discuss basketball players, teams, and the game itself. Go suck Kobe's dick and maybe you can get him to autograph your armpit.

First of all, you give LeBron a supporting cast like Kobe Bryant has and he would automatically win at least 5 championships as the leader.... just look at this:
Game 1 NBA Finals:
4th quarter? 1-5fg (doesn't really matter/blowout)

Game 2 NBA Finals:
4th quarter? 3 turnovers, 2-5fg

Game 3 NBA Finals:
Kobe misses 13 of his last 17 shots

Game 4 NBA Finals:
Kobe misses 20 shots and only makes 11 in game 4, but his team still wins? Talk about a supporting cast, I mean seriously.
Uh, that's brutal.
LeBron vs Orlando 2009 playoffs...75-154,fg...11-37,3pt..(38.5ppg) 48.7%fg....8.3reb(50reb)...8ast(48ast)....7 blocks(1.16)....7 steals(1.16)

Kobe vs Orlando 2009 playoffs(through 4 games)...48-111,fg...7-20,3pt...(33ppg) 43.2%fg....5.5reb(22reb)....8ast(36ast)....3 blocks(.75)....5 steals(1.25)

To summarize for easier reading:
LeBron vs Orlando 2009 playoffs...38.5ppg 48.7%fg 8.3reb 8ast 1.16blk 1.16stl
Kobe vs Orlando 2009 playoffs..... 33ppg 43.2%fg 5.5reb 8ast .75blk 1.25stl

Kobe 97 playoffs shot 38%
Kobe 98 playoffs shot 40%
Kobe 99 playoffs shot 43%
Kobe 00 playoffs shot 44%
Kobe 01 playoffs shot 47%
Kobe 02 playoffs shot 43%
Kobe 03 playoffs shot 43%
Kobe 04 playoffs shot 41%
Kobe 05 DNP in playoffs, missed playoffs without Shaq
Kobe 06 playoffs shot 49%
Kobe 07 playoffs shot 46%
Kobe 08 playoffs shot 48%
Kobe 09 playoffs shooting 46%

LeBron playoffs:
2006: 30.8ppg 48%fg 8reb 6ast(LeBron's first appearance in the playoffs was better than any appearance Kobe ever had in the playoffs)
2007: 25.1ppg 42%fg 8reb 8ast (inconsistent)
2008: 28.2ppg 41%fg 8reb 8ast (inconsistent)
2009: 35.3ppg 51%fg 9reb 7ast (far better than any playoff run Kobe ever had, or will have)

LeBron's stock is on the way up, Kobe's stock is overrated and a trap buy. If you follow me.


NOW, GO PUT YOUR BUTT PLUGS BACK IN LAKERS FANS, YOUR HERO IS GONNA PLAY TONIGHT....

[imdaman99]

Bruce, give it up. You tired of seeing people actually praise Kobe on a daily basis? You mad?

[KenneBell]

Bruce we need more stats!!!

[Laker4Lyfe]

You ****in Lakers homers and Kobe jocking apostles need to go join a Lakers message board. You people ruin even the slightest bit of a chance of ISH being a legit place for NBA fans to discuss basketball players, teams, and the game itself. Go suck Kobe's dick and maybe you can get him to autograph your armpit.

:cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry:



If by chance the Lakers win do we need to put you on suicide watch??:eek:

Seriously, some advice for you. I don't mean to be vulgar or anything but YOU NEED SOME PU$$Y in your life (or a man if that's your thing).

Many have already told you that we understand and AGREE that Jordan is the GOAT yet you continually obsess and try to prove something to STRANGERS ON A MESSAGE BOARD.

You don't just post you write/cut & paste chapter after chapter. Bolding some text, coloring other text placing bullets etc... I mean you put a LOT of work into this for NO MONEY and from what you say no satisfaction.

It's unhealthy and if you where my son I would worry about you.

[Roundball_Rock]

Lebron's run was Jordanesque, until he choked it at the end of game 6 vs Orlando.

Just like his run was Jordanesque until he ran into the Spurs and got swept in 07.

They need a new word for that kind of run, how bout Lebronesque?

:oldlol:

For all the talk about "supporting casts", Lebron had a great chance to live up to the hype and win a ring in 2007. People forget that the Spurs should have lost in the WCSF that year but were saved only by Cheap Shot Rob and Stern. Against this opponent the Cavs were competitive.

Game 1: SAS 85, CLE 76. Lebron 4 for 16 (25%) and 6 turnovers.
Game 2: SAS 103, CLE 92. Lebron 9 for 21 (43%) and 6 turnovers.
Game 3: SAS 75, CLE 72. Lebron 9 for 23 (39%) and 5 turnovers.
Game 4: SAS 83, CLE 82. Lebron 10 for 30 (33%) and 6 turnovers.

If Lebron showed up the Cavs could have won that series. It easily would have been 2-2 and perhaps even 3-1 if the "great" Lebron showed up. Comparing Lebron to Jordan? :roll:

[bruceblitz]

LeBron James is by far the best player in the game today.... BY FAR!

LeBron James and the Cleveland Cavaliers fell six wins short of their ultimate goal but that should not obscure the fact that James put together one of the greatest individual performances in playoff history. He became the only player to ever average at least 35 ppg, 7 apg and 7 rpg for an entire playoff season; James final numbers in 14 playoff games were 35.3 ppg, 9.1 rpg and 7.3 apg while shooting .510 from the field, .333 from three point range and .749 from the free throw line. There have only been four other 30-7-7 playoff seasons in NBA/ABA playoff history:

Oscar Robertson, 1963 Cincinnati Royals: 31.8 ppg, 13.0 rpg, 9.0 apg, .470 field goal percentage, .864 free throw percentage in 12 games (lost in Eastern Division Finals to the eventual NBA champion Boston Celtics).

Oscar Robertson, 1966 Cincinnati Royals: 31.8 ppg, 7.6 rpg, 7.8 apg, .408 field goal percentage, .897 free throw percentage in five games (lost in Eastern Division semifinals to the eventual NBA champion Boston Celtics).

Michael Jordan, 1989 Chicago Bulls: 34.8 ppg, 7.0 rpg, 7.6 apg, .510 field goal percentage, .286 three point shooting percentage, .799 free throw percentage in 17 games (lost in Eastern Conference Finals to the eventual NBA champion Detroit Pistons).

During the Robertson seasons cited above, the NBA did not have a three point shot rule and the playoffs consisted of two Divisional rounds followed by the NBA Finals.

Robertson played in fewer playoff games than the other players in this elite club but he also faced the greatest dynasty in NBA history, the Bill Russell-led Boston Celtics, a franchise that won 11 championships in 13 seasons.

It is interesting to note that in each case prior to James this year it took nothing less than the future league champion to stop a team featuring a 35-7-7 playoff performer. Robertson eventually won an NBA championship in 1971 with the Milwaukee Bucks, and Jordan later captured six championships with the Chicago Bulls; while this is a small sample size, Cleveland fans can take some solace in the fact that 35-7-7 playoff performers do have a championship pedigree, though it is also worth noting that among these players only Jordan came close to averaging 35-7-7 in the playoffs during a championship season, which underscores the fact that winning a title requires a team effort.

Jordan had three 35-6-6 playoff seasons (1987, 1990, 1993

[bruceblitz]

:oldlol:

For all the talk about "supporting casts", Lebron had a great chance to live up to the hype and win a ring in 2007. People forget that the Spurs should have lost in the WCSF that year but were saved only by Cheap Shot Rob and Stern. Against this opponent the Cavs were competitive.

Game 1: SAS 85, CLE 76. Lebron 4 for 16 (25%) and 6 turnovers.
Game 2: SAS 103, CLE 92. Lebron 9 for 21 (43%) and 6 turnovers.
Game 3: SAS 75, CLE 72. Lebron 9 for 23 (39%) and 5 turnovers.
Game 4: SAS 83, CLE 82. Lebron 10 for 30 (33%) and 6 turnovers.

If Lebron showed up the Cavs could have won that series. It easily would have been 2-2 and perhaps even 3-1 if the "great" Lebron showed up. Comparing Lebron to Jordan? :roll:

Now if I had compared Kobe to Jordan, I guarantee you wouldn't post all of Kobe's choke jobs now would you. Agenda *****ass.

[GUUS]

the best player in the world puts up 4 games like this in a row in the finals Bruceblitz?


Game 1: SAS 85, CLE 76. Lebron 4 for 16 (25%) and 6 turnovers.
Game 2: SAS 103, CLE 92. Lebron 9 for 21 (43%) and 6 turnovers.
Game 3: SAS 75, CLE 72. Lebron 9 for 23 (39%) and 5 turnovers.
Game 4: SAS 83, CLE 82. Lebron 10 for 30 (33%) and 6 turnovers.

[Roundball_Rock]

I have said Kobe choked. Ask your MJ buddy Dondada.

Bottom line: Kobe 3 (soon to be 4) rings, Duncan 4*, Shaq 4, Wade 1, Lebron 0. As you know, a championship is a de facto requirement to make the top 10 all-time and it is rare to crack the top 20 without a title.

[Laker4Lyfe]

LeBron James is by far the best player in the game today.... BY FAR!



What time does his game come on???

[bruceblitz]

I have said Kobe choked. Ask your MJ buddy Dondada.

Bottom line: Kobe 3 (soon to be 4) rings, Duncan 4*, Shaq 4, Wade 1, Lebron 0
Robert Horry 7 rings > Jordan 6 rings > Pippen 6 rings > Magic 5 > Duncan 4 > Shaq 4


oh wait, winning rings as an undisputed leader of a team matters more? Who would have figured that?

And you say you aren't a Kobe apostle.... don't insult anyone's intelligence, you are so far up Kobe's dick they mistook your presence for kidney stones you ***** ass.

[JayGuevara]

Robert Horry 7 rings > Jordan 6 rings > Pippen 6 rings > Magic 5 > Duncan 4 > Shaq 4


oh wait, winning rings as an undisputed leader of a team matters more? Who would have figured that?

And you say you aren't a Kobe apostle.... don't insult anyone's intelligence, you are so far up Kobe's dick they mistook your presence for kidney stones you ***** ass.

Okay, so since it's lookin pretty likely that Kobe will win a ring within a couple games here as the undisputed leader of the team, what will be your excuse then, cuz LeBron still won't have one? :confusedshrug:

[Roundball_Rock]

:oldlol: what does Kobe have to do with Lebron choking?

I forgot to add KG, 1 ring. Let's update the scoreboard for great players who played their peak in the 2000's.

Shaq 4
Kobe 4?
Duncan 4*
Wade 1
KG 1
AI 0
Webber 0
Dirk 0
T Mac 0
Lebron 0

We can expect it from Webber or Dirk, guys who are perceived as chokers but Lebron, the alleged future GOAT?!

[Allstar24]

the best player in the world puts up 4 games like this in a row in the finals Bruceblitz?


Game 1: SAS 85, CLE 76. Lebron 4 for 16 (25%) and 6 turnovers.
Game 2: SAS 103, CLE 92. Lebron 9 for 21 (43%) and 6 turnovers.
Game 3: SAS 75, CLE 72. Lebron 9 for 23 (39%) and 5 turnovers.
Game 4: SAS 83, CLE 82. Lebron 10 for 30 (33%) and 6 turnovers.
Wow that's a fair way to judge him...he was 22 years old, playing in his first finals appearance, with a team full of nobodies, taking on the world champions. LeBron's 09 playoffs run has been LeBronesque.

[bruceblitz]

Okay, so since it's lookin pretty likely that Kobe will win a ring within a couple games here as the undisputed leader of the team, what will be your excuse then, cuz LeBron still won't have one? :confusedshrug:
Hey, Kobe's matched Dwyane Wade for rings as a leader of a time. On an all-time scale they rank about the same. LeBron on the other hand clearly has a better future than either of the two. It's called foresight.

[LA_Showtime]

You ****in Lakers homers and Kobe jocking apostles need to go join a Lakers message board. You people ruin even the slightest bit of a chance of ISH being a legit place for NBA fans to discuss basketball players, teams, and the game itself. Go suck Kobe's dick and maybe you can get him to autograph your armpit.

First of all, you give LeBron a supporting cast like Kobe Bryant has and he would automatically win at least 5 championships as the leader.... just look at this:
Game 1 NBA Finals:
4th quarter? 1-5fg (doesn't really matter/blowout)

Game 2 NBA Finals:
4th quarter? 3 turnovers, 2-5fg

Game 3 NBA Finals:
Kobe misses 13 of his last 17 shots

Game 4 NBA Finals:
Kobe misses 20 shots and only makes 11 in game 4, but his team still wins? Talk about a supporting cast, I mean seriously.
Uh, that's brutal.
LeBron vs Orlando 2009 playoffs...75-154,fg...11-37,3pt..(38.5ppg) 48.7%fg....8.3reb(50reb)...8ast(48ast)....7 blocks(1.16)....7 steals(1.16)

Kobe vs Orlando 2009 playoffs(through 4 games)...48-111,fg...7-20,3pt...(33ppg) 43.2%fg....5.5reb(22reb)....8ast(36ast)....3 blocks(.75)....5 steals(1.25)

To summarize for easier reading:
LeBron vs Orlando 2009 playoffs...38.5ppg 48.7%fg 8.3reb 8ast 1.16blk 1.16stl
Kobe vs Orlando 2009 playoffs..... 33ppg 43.2%fg 5.5reb 8ast .75blk 1.25stl

Kobe 97 playoffs shot 38%
Kobe 98 playoffs shot 40%
Kobe 99 playoffs shot 43%
Kobe 00 playoffs shot 44%
Kobe 01 playoffs shot 47%
Kobe 02 playoffs shot 43%
Kobe 03 playoffs shot 43%
Kobe 04 playoffs shot 41%
Kobe 05 DNP in playoffs, missed playoffs without Shaq
Kobe 06 playoffs shot 49%
Kobe 07 playoffs shot 46%
Kobe 08 playoffs shot 48%
Kobe 09 playoffs shooting 46%

LeBron playoffs:
2006: 30.8ppg 48%fg 8reb 6ast(LeBron's first appearance in the playoffs was better than any appearance Kobe ever had in the playoffs)
2007: 25.1ppg 42%fg 8reb 8ast (inconsistent)
2008: 28.2ppg 41%fg 8reb 8ast (inconsistent)
2009: 35.3ppg 51%fg 9reb 7ast (far better than any playoff run Kobe ever had, or will have)

LeBron's stock is on the way up, Kobe's stock is overrated and a trap buy. If you follow me.


NOW, GO PUT YOUR BUTT PLUGS BACK IN LAKERS FANS, YOUR HERO IS GONNA PLAY TONIGHT....

Since you're handing out advice today...

1) Grow up. You're like... 33 or 34 years old. Supposedly you've got a kid and a wife. Do yourself a favor... try acting mature

2) Stop copy/pasting stats that no one cares about. We've all seen them 100 times.

3) A Kobe fan is just another excuse... find evidence that they're a biased homer

[Laker4Lyfe]

Hey, Kobe's matched Dwyane Wade for rings as a leader of a time. On an all-time scale they rank about the same. LeBron on the other hand clearly has a better future than either of the two. It's called foresight.


http://www.match.com/matchus/

http://www.chemistry.com

http://www.plentyoffish.com/

[catch24]

http://www.match.com/matchus/

http://www.chemistry.com

http://www.plentyoffish.com/

rofl

[chitownsfinest]

http://www.match.com/matchus/

http://www.chemistry.com

http://www.plentyoffish.com/
:lol :roll:

[JayGuevara]

Hey, Kobe's matched Dwyane Wade for rings as a leader of a time. On an all-time scale they rank about the same. LeBron on the other hand clearly has a better future than either of the two. It's called foresight.

Wade's ring isn't worth more than Kobe's 3. I'm sorry to inform you of that. Both had Shaq, Wade had a less dominant Shaq and a historic Finals performance, but he wouldn't have made it there without Shaq. Wade has a Finals MVP and 1 ring, Kobe has 3 rings and no Finals MVP's. They're not the same, but you can't say that Wade is irrefutably better than Kobe because it would only be based on a Finals MVP pretty much, and Tony Parker and Chauncey Billups are both Finals MVP's. Are they better than Kobe?

The point will be moot soon anyways as Kobe will have his own Finals MVP and ring as "the man", and LeBron will have 0, and Wade will have 1 (with Shaq), and Darko will still have 1 also.

[CantStop]

Kobe has more rings than Lebron has Finals wins.

'scust

[bruceblitz]

Why so many Kobe fans in the LeBron V Jordan thread?

http://www.theantifans.com/storage/Lebron%20James.jpg

[bruceblitz]

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_YODg65nll_o/SgqZk95zisI/AAAAAAABt9c/W06LxSS1gpM/s400/wallpaper_lebron-james-mvp-2-1280.jpg

[CantStop]

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_YODg65nll_o/SgqZk95zisI/AAAAAAABt9c/W06LxSS1gpM/s400/wallpaper_lebron-james-mvp-2-1280.jpg

Man, I'm so f*cking MAD!!!!! Lebron has the regular season MVP while Kobe is one win away from a championship + Finals MVP!!!


F*CK YOU!

[bruceblitz]

LeBron James and the Cleveland Cavaliers fell six wins short of their ultimate goal but that should not obscure the fact that James put together one of the greatest individual performances in playoff history. He became the only player to ever average at least 35 ppg, 7 apg and 7 rpg for an entire playoff season; James final numbers in 14 playoff games were 35.3 ppg, 9.1 rpg and 7.3 apg while shooting .510 from the field, .333 from three point range and .749 from the free throw line. There have only been four other 30-7-7 playoff seasons in NBA/ABA playoff history:

Oscar Robertson, 1963 Cincinnati Royals: 31.8 ppg, 13.0 rpg, 9.0 apg, .470 field goal percentage, .864 free throw percentage in 12 games (lost in Eastern Division Finals to the eventual NBA champion Boston Celtics).

Oscar Robertson, 1966 Cincinnati Royals: 31.8 ppg, 7.6 rpg, 7.8 apg, .408 field goal percentage, .897 free throw percentage in five games (lost in Eastern Division semifinals to the eventual NBA champion Boston Celtics).

Michael Jordan, 1989 Chicago Bulls: 34.8 ppg, 7.0 rpg, 7.6 apg, .510 field goal percentage, .286 three point shooting percentage, .799 free throw percentage in 17 games (lost in Eastern Conference Finals to the eventual NBA champion Detroit Pistons).

During the Robertson seasons cited above, the NBA did not have a three point shot rule and the playoffs consisted of two Divisional rounds followed by the NBA Finals.

Robertson played in fewer playoff games than the other players in this elite club but he also faced the greatest dynasty in NBA history, the Bill Russell-led Boston Celtics, a franchise that won 11 championships in 13 seasons.

It is interesting to note that in each case prior to James this year it took nothing less than the future league champion to stop a team featuring a 35-7-7 playoff performer. Robertson eventually won an NBA championship in 1971 with the Milwaukee Bucks, and Jordan later captured six championships with the Chicago Bulls; while this is a small sample size, Cleveland fans can take some solace in the fact that 35-7-7 playoff performers do have a championship pedigree, though it is also worth noting that among these players only Jordan came close to averaging 35-7-7 in the playoffs during a championship season, which underscores the fact that winning a title requires a team effort.

Jordan had three 35-6-6 playoff seasons (1987, 1990, 1993

[bruceblitz]

Man, I'm so f*cking MAD!!!!! Lebron has the regular season MVP while Kobe is one win away from a championship + Finals MVP!!!


F*CK YOU!
So you ranked this over Kobe's MVP from last year?
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_WAi2txkagVM/SFlPLm63brI/AAAAAAAAB6c/niB26tO0VCk/s400/paul_pierce_nba_finals_mvp_2008.jpg


Let the contradictions begin....

Let's see Kobe win MVP and Finals MVP in the same year, like Jordan did...

:oldlol:

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

from those stats, it looks like Lebron is greater than MJ. Afterall, he put up clearly better numbers.

...unless, its NOT all about stats....

in which case this thread is useless.

[branslowski]

What time does his game come on???

:oldlol: Not cool....

[bruceblitz]

from those stats, it looks like Lebron is greater than MJ. Afterall, he put up clearly better numbers.

...unless, its NOT all about stats....

in which case this thread is useless.
He did have a better statistical run this playoffs than Jordan ever had. It's called a fact. Only an idiot would deny it.

[bruceblitz]

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_YODg65nll_o/SgqZqvqVkVI/AAAAAAABt9o/QZ-PQrvK39k/s400/wallpaper_lebron-james-mvp-3-1280.jpg

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

He did have a better statistical run this playoffs than Jordan ever had. It's called a fact. Only an idiot would deny it.

yup.
Thus, Lebron > MJ.

unless stats don't tell the whole story.

in which case, this thread is moot.

[bruceblitz]

yup.
Thus, Lebron > MJ.

unless stats don't tell the whole story.

in which case, this thread is moot.
No, it means that if LeBron can keep that kind of pace, he has a chance to match/pass MJ. LeBron's playoff run > Jordan's best playoff run, that's all it means. The gap isn't huge, but he did beat out Jordan's best playoff run. Still 9 more scoring titles to go, 4 more league MVP's, 6 more Finals MVP's, and he just needs to raise his PPG averages up a bit to match MJ. Unlike Kobe fans, I'm not scurrred of someone passing my all time favorite player.

[CantStop]

No, it means that if LeBron can keep that kind of pace, he has a chance to match/pass MJ. LeBron's playoff run > Jordan's best playoff run, that's all it means. The gap isn't huge, but he did beat out Jordan's best playoff run. Still 9 more scoring titles to go, 4 more league MVP's, 6 more Finals MVP's, and he just needs to raise his PPG averages up a bit to match MJ. Unlike Kobe fans, I'm not scurrred of someone passing my all time favorite player.

Lebron needs a HOF to carry him ala Pippen.

[bruceblitz]

Lebron needs a HOF to carry him ala Pippen.
LeBron has been the best player in the NBA since 2004-2005:

04-05:
LeBron 27.2ppg 7.4reb 7.2ast 47%fg 2.2stl .7blk
Kobe 27.6ppg 5.9reb 6.0ast 45%fg 1.3stl .8blk

05-06
LeBron 31.4ppg 7.0reb 6.6ast 48%fg 1.6stl .8blk
Kobe 35.4ppg 5.3reb 4.5ast 45%fg 1.8stl .4blk

06-07
LeBron 27.3ppg 7.0reb 6.6ast 48%fg 1.6stl .8blk
Kobe 31.6ppg 5.7reb 5.4ast 46%fg 1.4stl .5blk

07-08
LeBron 30.0ppg 7.9reb 7.2ast 48%fg 1.8stl 1.1blk
Kobe 28.3ppg 6.3reb 5.4ast 45%fg 1.8stl .5blk

08-09
LeBron 28.4ppg 7.6reb 7.2ast 49%fg 1.7stl 1.1blk
Kobe 26.8ppg 5.2reb 4.9ast 46%fg 1.5stl .5blk

Accumulated stats the last 5 years:
LeBron James 28.9ppg 7.3reb 6.9ast 48%fg 1.8stl .9blk
Kobe Bryant 29.9ppg 5.6reb 5.1ast 45%fg 1.5stl .5blk
Kobe has taken 273 more shots than LeBron James in that timespan.

[Tainted Sword]

No, it means that if LeBron can keep that kind of pace, he has a chance to match/pass MJ. LeBron's playoff run > Jordan's best playoff run, that's all it means. The gap isn't huge, but he did beat out Jordan's best playoff run. Still 9 more scoring titles to go, 4 more league MVP's, 6 more Finals MVP's, and he just needs to raise his PPG averages up a bit to match MJ. Unlike Kobe fans, I'm not scurrred of someone passing my all time favorite player.
Strange, I always assumed you were an MJ homer. Seems that tired act was just front for your Lebron = GOAT campaign. Posting pics like a 12 year old. :roll:

[JayGuevara]

It is interesting to note that in each case prior to James this year it took nothing less than the future league champion to stop a team featuring a 35-7-7 playoff performer.


This part made me laugh. "This never happens, but when it does, and they do lose, it's at least to the eventual champions. Except for LeBron."

But, a Courtney Lee layup and a Jameer Nelson foul/Dwight/Hedo free throw could possibly have had us well on our way to LeBron holding serve with Oscar and MJ in getting eliminated by the champs. :confusedshrug:

[bruceblitz]

This part made me laugh. "This never happens, but when it does, and they do lose, it's at least to the eventual champions. Except for LeBron."

But, a Courtney Lee layup and a Jameer Nelson foul/Dwight/Hedo free throw could possibly have had us well on our way to LeBron holding serve with Oscar and MJ in getting eliminated by the champs. :confusedshrug:
Did you not notice the word "prior".

[Alpha Wolf]

Bruce we need more stats!!!

:oldlol: @ those bullshyt equations only math geeks would care about

seriously outside the web when ya'll debate basketball do you really bring up those meaningless stats :roll:

[CantStop]

Making these kind of threads every day knowing damn well Kobe about to win another championship makes you seem insecure. You def don't get out of the house too much. Ever heard of opposite hell? Hell, knowing your infactuation with other men, I'd even recommend just coming out of the closet.

[Disaprine]

:violin:

[KenneBell]

http://livingthelifeofjay.com/Pictures/news/Lebron_James_MVP.jpg
LeBron was the MVP? Are you serious? When did that happen. Bruce you are the new ESPN and CNN.

[CantStop]

:oldlol: @ those bullshyt equations only math geeks would care about

seriously outside the web when ya'll debate basketball do you really bring up those meaningless stats :roll:

c/s.


In real life

Bruce: Lebron is the 2nd best player of all time. According to my calculations which I incorporated Hollinger's PER and used the derivative of the points per min and FG % while canceling out 3pt % because Jordan never really worked on it so we'll give him an incomplete on that and then I took that and divided by their best season and it's proven to be very accurate.

Everybody else: :ohwell: Yup, this guy is a loser

[Alpha Wolf]

LeBron has been the best player in the NBA since 2004-2005:

04-05:
LeBron 27.2ppg 7.4reb 7.2ast 47%fg 2.2stl .7blk
Kobe 27.6ppg 5.9reb 6.0ast 45%fg 1.3stl .8blk

05-06
LeBron 31.4ppg 7.0reb 6.6ast 48%fg 1.6stl .8blk
Kobe 35.4ppg 5.3reb 4.5ast 45%fg 1.8stl .4blk

06-07
LeBron 27.3ppg 7.0reb 6.6ast 48%fg 1.6stl .8blk
Kobe 31.6ppg 5.7reb 5.4ast 46%fg 1.4stl .5blk

07-08
LeBron 30.0ppg 7.9reb 7.2ast 48%fg 1.8stl 1.1blk
Kobe 28.3ppg 6.3reb 5.4ast 45%fg 1.8stl .5blk

08-09
LeBron 28.4ppg 7.6reb 7.2ast 49%fg 1.7stl 1.1blk
Kobe 26.8ppg 5.2reb 4.9ast 46%fg 1.5stl .5blk

Accumulated stats the last 5 years:
LeBron James 28.9ppg 7.3reb 6.9ast 48%fg 1.8stl .9blk
Kobe Bryant 29.9ppg 5.6reb 5.1ast 45%fg 1.5stl .5blk
Kobe has taken 273 more shots than LeBron James in that timespan.

maybe to stat nerds but niccas in real life will tell you other wise

Kobe's been the best since 2000....and he's just getting started...


be afraid Jordan Jockers...be very afraid!

[Roundball_Rock]

LeBron has been the best player in the NBA since 2004-2005:


Damn, and he STILL has no rings. :eek:

[CantStop]

LMAO @ Bruce saying Lebron is the best in the L when Lebron doesn't even believe that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv37ykpYk84 = 2009

- " Who is the best player in the NBA?"

- Kobe Bryant

- " Better than you?"

- Yes, for now.

[bruceblitz]

LMAO @ Bruce saying Lebron is the best in the L when Lebron doesn't even believe that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv37ykpYk84 = 2009

- " Who is the best player in the NBA?"

- Kobe Bryant

- " Better than you?"

- Yes, for now.
It's called modesty, now watch this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpwz_rcQ08A

[CantStop]

It's called modesty, now watch this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpwz_rcQ08A

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_FIttFVzVwR8/SilcXO1soqI/AAAAAAAAAic/5mKVX4C7-yk/s400/GD7868804@LeBron-James-displays-9822.jpg

He's so modest...

[bruceblitz]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_FIttFVzVwR8/SilcXO1soqI/AAAAAAAAAic/5mKVX4C7-yk/s400/GD7868804@LeBron-James-displays-9822.jpg

He's so modest...
Watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpwz_rcQ08A

[KenneBell]

A LeBron and Jordan stan? Amazing. So amazing.

Bruce is in a polygamous relationship. He can't decide who to go with.

[Alpha Wolf]

Making these kind of threads every day knowing damn well Kobe about to win another championship makes you seem insecure. You def don't get out of the house too much. Ever heard of opposite hell? Hell, knowing your infactuation with other men, I'd even recommend just coming out of the closet.




Kobe winning a championship is bruce's worst nightmare :oldlol:


Get ready for that nightmare to become reality tonight bruce




I'll be ready to listen to his idiotic
responses like

"fg %"

"PER"

"win shares"

"Kobe is a rap!st"

"Kobe had Gasol and Bynum"


http://slamonline.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/KobeRetroTrophy.jpg

# 4 tonight : :cheers:





:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[bruceblitz]

And this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5YARaTUTOI

[Quizno]

hey bruceblitz, my name is Quizno. I think Kobe Bryant is the greatest player in the history of the game, and miles ahead of MJ. Can you please rebut my statement?

[KenneBell]

Hey bruceblitz, my name is kennebell. I think LeBron is the greatest player in the history of the game, and miles ahead of MJ. Can you please rebut my statement?

[bruceblitz]

Watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpwz_rcQ08A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUE2zflk94o


And this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5YARaTUTOI

Enjoy....

[bruceblitz]

hey bruceblitz, my name is Quizno. I think Kobe Bryant is the greatest player in the history of the game, and miles ahead of MJ. Can you please rebut my statement?
Kobe Bryant is a very talented basketball player, Kobe Bryant set out to emulate Michael Jordan and any observer of the game can see that. Kobe's level of play and achievements have fallen well short of Michael Jordan's level of play and achievements. Kobe Bryant is too far off pace to catch Jordan status yet the NBA continues to use Michael Jordan's name in an attempt to draw more fans to Kobe Bryant. It's not right and they need to stop degrading what Jordan status truly is. To be a true Jordan type player, Kobe would need to have done much much more by this point in his career, he will not ever achieve Jordan status. Everyone should state it like this, --Kobe is an extremely talented player who emulates Michael Jordan, Jordan is a player he looks to emulate because Jordan inspired many people, Kobe Bryant is a Michael Jordan inspired athlete.--

1991 Lakers = ranked 5th in defense
1992 Blazers = ranked 2nd in defense
1993 Suns = ranked 9th in defense
1996 Sonics = ranked 2cnd in defense
1997 Jazz = 9th in defense
1998 Jazz = 16th in defense

Jordan faced 3 top 5 defenses in the NBA Finals. 3!!!!

Average defensive ranking Jordan faced in the Finals?
7.16

Not to mention, Jordan dropped 63 points on the #1 defense in 1986 who also won the world championship that year aka the Boston Celtics.

All of the defenses Jordan faced and destroyed in the playoffs:
1985 Milwaukee Bucks ranked 2cnd in the NBA in defense
1986 Boston Celtics ranked 1st in the NBA in defense
1987 Boston Celtics ranked 9th in the NBA in defense
1988 Cleveland Cavaliers ranked 5th in the NBA in defense
1988 Detroit Pistons ranked 2cnd in the NBA in defense
1989 Cleveland Cavaliers ranked 2cnd in the NBA in defense
1989 New York Knicks ranked 10th in the NBA in defense
1989 Detroit Pistons ranked 3rd in the NBA in defense
1990 Milwaukee Bucks ranked 14th in the NBA in defense
1990 Philadelphia 76ers ranked 19th in the NBA in defense
1990 Detroit Pistons ranked 2cnd in the NBA in defense
1991 New York Knicks ranked 12th in the NBA in defense
1991 Philadelphia 76ers ranked 14th in the NBA in defense
1991 Detroit Pistons ranked 4th in the NBA in defense
1992 Miami Heat ranked 24th in the NBA in defense
1992 New York Knicks ranked 2cnd in the NBA in defense
1992 Cleveland Cavaliers ranked 11th in the NBA in defense
1993 Atlanta Hawks ranked 22cnd in the NBA in defense
1993 Cleveland Cavaliers ranked 6th in the NBA in defense
1993 New York Knicks ranked 1st in the NBA in defense
1995 Charlotte Hornets ranked 9th in the NBA in defense
1995 Orlando Magic ranked 13th in the NBA in defense
1996 Miami Heat ranked 6th in the NBA in defense
1996 New York Knicks ranked 3rd in the NBA in defense
1996 Orlando Magic ranked 12th in the NBA in defense
1997 Washington Bullets ranked 13th in the NBA in defense
1997 Atlanta Hawks ranked 3rd in the NBA in defense
1997 Miami Heat ranked 1st in the NBA in defense
1998 New Jersey Nets ranked 21st in the NBA in defense
1998 Charlotte Hornets ranked 15th in the NBA in defense
1998 Indiana Pacers ranked 5th in the NBA in defense


Jordan faced 17 top 5 defenses in the post-season.
Jordan faced 24 top 10 defenses in the post-season.
Jordan faced on average the 8.35 ranked Defense in the NBA, in the post-season.

Let's see how Jordan faired against these defenses:
Playoffs
Most Playoffs Points Per Game NBA history (min. 25 games)
33.4 by Michael Jordan (179 games)

Most Points in a Playoff Game
63 by Michael Jordan

Most 50 Point Playoff Games
8 by Michael Jordan

Most 40 Point Playoff Games
38 by Michael Jordan

Most 30 Point Playoff Games
109 by Michael Jordan

Most 20 Point Playoff Games
174 by Michael Jordan (he played 179 playoff games and scored under 20 only 5 times)

NBA PLAYOFFS HIGH SCORING GAME BY YEAR
1985-86 - 63 Michael Jordan, CHI at BOS Apr 20, 1986
(1st ranked D)

1987-88 - 55 Michael Jordan, CHI vs CLE at CHI May 1, 1988
(5th ranked D)

1988-89 - 50 Michael Jordan, CHI vs CLE at CHI May 5, 1989
(2cnd ranked D)

1989-90 - 49 Michael Jordan, CHI at PHI May 11, 1990
(19th ranked D)

1990-91 - 46 Michael Jordan, CHI at PHI May 10, 1991
(14th ranked D)

1991-92 - 56 Michael Jordan, CHI at MIA Apr 29, 1992
(24th ranked D)

1992-93 - 55 Michael Jordan, CHI vs PHO at CHI Jun 16, 1993
(9th ranked D)

1994-95 - 48 Michael Jordan, CHI at CHA Apr 28, 1995
(9th ranked D)

1995-96 - 46 Michael Jordan, CHI at NYK May 11, 1996
(3rd ranked D)

1996-97 - 55 Michael Jordan, CHI vs WAS at CHI Apr 27, 1997
(13th ranked D)

1997-98 - 45 Michael Jordan, CHI at UTA Jun 14, 1998
(16th ranked D)

ALL-TIME HIGHEST SCORING AVERAGES SERIES, NBA PLAYOFFS
Jerry West, LAL vs BAL, 1965..... 46.3
Michael Jordan, CHI vs CLE, 1988..... 45.2 (Cleveland ranked 5th in the NBA in defense that season)

Michael Jordan NBA record 8 50 point games in the playoffs
Michael Jordan Chicago at Boston 63 April 20, 1986 (1st ranked D)
Michael Jordan Chicago at Miami 56 April 29, 1992 (24th ranked D)
Michael Jordan Chicago Cleveland 55 May 1, 1988 (5th ranked D)
Michael Jordan Chicago Phoenix 55 June 16, 1993 (9th ranked D)
Michael Jordan Chicago Washington 55 April 27, 1997 (13th ranked D)
Michael Jordan Chicago New York 54 May 31, 1993 (1st ranked D)
Michael Jordan Chicago Cleveland 50 April 28, 1988 (5th ranked D)
Michael Jordan Chicago Cleveland 50^ May 5, 1989 (2cnd ranked D)
Even more important, Jordan was the main target of these defenses the ENTIRE TIME.


69 Cleveland OT Cleveland 3/28/90
64 Orlando OT Chicago 1/16/93
63 Boston 2OT Boston (Playoffs) * 4/20/86 against #1 rated defense that year
Jordan has the highest point total against a #1 rated defense in league history
in the playoffs no less
61 Detroit OT Detroit 3/4/87
61 Atlanta Chicago 4/16/87
59 Detroit Detroit 3/3/88
58 New Jersey Chicago 2/6/87
57 Washington Chicago 12/23/92
56 Philadelphia Chicago 3/24/87
56 Miami Miami (Playoffs) 4/29/92
55 Cleveland Chicago (Playoffs) 5/1/88
55 Phoenix Chicago (Playoffs) 6/16/93
55 New York New York 3/28/95
55 Washington Washington (Playoffs) 4/30/97
54 L.A. Lakers Los Angeles 11/20/92
54 Cleveland Chicago 11/3/89
54 New York Chicago (Playoffs) 5/31/93
53 Portland Chicago 1/8/87
53 Indiana Chicago 4/12/87
53 Phoenix Chicago 1/21/89
53 Detroit Chicago 3/7/96
52 Cleveland Chicago 12/17/87
52 Portland Chicago 2/26/88
52 Boston Boston 11/9/88
52 Philadelphia Philadelphia 11/16/88
52 Denver Denver 11/26/88
52 Orlando Orlando 12/20/89
52 Charlotte Chicago 3/12/93
51 New Orleans Washington 12/29/01
51 Washington Washington 3/19/92
51 New York Chicago 1/21/97
50 New York New York 11/1/86
50 Milwaukee Milwaukee 4/13/87
50 Boston Chicago 3/18/88
50 Cleveland Chicago (Playoffs) 4/28/88
50 Milwaukee Chicago 2/16/89
50 Cleveland Chicago (Playoffs) 5/5/89
50 Denver Chicago 3/24/92
50 Miami Miami 11/6/96
Those are Jordan's 50 point games, notice how many of them came in the PLAYOFFS. Notice how many came against great defenses and great teams. Also Jordan was the main focus of each defense he faced. That's very important.

ALL-TIME SCORING RECORDS:
1st Place: MJ, 24 scoring records
2nd Place: Wilt, 18 scoring records
3rd Place: Moot
- Highest career scoring average: MJ 30.12
- Highest career playoff scoring average: MJ 33.4
- Highest career Finals scoring average: MJ 33.6 (min. 15 games)
- Highest single season playoff average: MJ 43.7
- Highest single Finals series average: MJ 41.0
- Most Total Points Playoffs: MJ 5987
- Most seasons leading league in scoring: MJ 10
- Most seasons leading league in total points: MJ 11
- Most consecutive seasons leading in scoring: MJ, Wilt tied at 7
- Most 50 point games playoffs: MJ 8
- Most 40 point games playoffs: MJ 38
- Most 30 point games: MJ 563
- Most 30 point games playoffs: MJ 109
- Most consecutive 50 point games playoffs: MJ 2
- Most consecutive 45 point games playoffs: MJ 3
- Most consecutive 40 point games finals: MJ 4
- Most consecutive 30 point games finals: MJ 9
- Most consecutive 20 point games playoffs: MJ 60
- Most consecutive 20 point games finals: MJ 35
- Most consecutive double figures scoring: MJ 866
- Highest scoring game playoffs: MJ 63
- Most points in one half finals: MJ 35
- Oldest to score 50: MJ 51 at age 38
- Oldest to score 40: MJ 43 at age 40

Jordan won 10 scoring titles, 6 he won while making over 50% of his shots, Jordan led the league in steals, Jordan was the best shot blocking guard, Jordan won 14 combined MVP's (3 all star, 5 league, 6 finals). Jordan averaged 33, 6, and 6 in the Finals for his career. Jordan averaged 31.5ppg on 51.5% shooting when he wore a Bulls uniform while leading the league in scoring 10 times.

Jordan made 33 out of 58 game winners. Kobe's missed more game winners in the last 5 years than Jordan did in his entire career. Listing Kobe's made game winners is frivilous at best when you don't point out that he's only made barely over 25% of his game winning attempts in his entire career.
Link to 82 games.com's game winning stats:
http://www.82games.com/gamewinningshots.htm

Kobe has been propped up to Jordan status without the 5 league MVP's, 6 finals MVP's, 10 scoring titles, playoff averages, career regular season averages, etc. Basically Kobe has been propped up to Jordan status for trying to use Michael Jordan's skill set.

[Quizno]

Kobe Bryant is a very talented basketball player, Kobe Bryant set out to emulate Michael Jordan and any observer of the game can see that. Kobe's level of play and achievements have fallen well short of Michael Jordan's level of play and achievements. Kobe Bryant is too far off pace to catch Jordan status yet the NBA continues to use Michael Jordan's name in an attempt to draw more fans to Kobe Bryant. It's not right and they need to stop degrading what Jordan status truly is. To be a true Jordan type player, Kobe would need to have done much much more by this point in his career, he will not ever achieve Jordan status. Everyone should state it like this, --Kobe is an extremely talented player who emulates Michael Jordan, Jordan is a player he looks to emulate because Jordan inspired many people, Kobe Bryant is a Michael Jordan inspired athlete.--

1991 Lakers = ranked 5th in defense
1992 Blazers = ranked 2nd in defense
1993 Suns = ranked 9th in defense
1996 Sonics = ranked 2cnd in defense
1997 Jazz = 9th in defense
1998 Jazz = 16th in defense

Jordan faced 3 top 5 defenses in the NBA Finals. 3!!!!

Average defensive ranking Jordan faced in the Finals?
7.16

Not to mention, Jordan dropped 63 points on the #1 defense in 1986 who also won the world championship that year aka the Boston Celtics.

All of the defenses Jordan faced and destroyed in the playoffs:
1985 Milwaukee Bucks ranked 2cnd in the NBA in defense
1986 Boston Celtics ranked 1st in the NBA in defense
1987 Boston Celtics ranked 9th in the NBA in defense
1988 Cleveland Cavaliers ranked 5th in the NBA in defense
1988 Detroit Pistons ranked 2cnd in the NBA in defense
1989 Cleveland Cavaliers ranked 2cnd in the NBA in defense
1989 New York Knicks ranked 10th in the NBA in defense
1989 Detroit Pistons ranked 3rd in the NBA in defense
1990 Milwaukee Bucks ranked 14th in the NBA in defense
1990 Philadelphia 76ers ranked 19th in the NBA in defense
1990 Detroit Pistons ranked 2cnd in the NBA in defense
1991 New York Knicks ranked 12th in the NBA in defense
1991 Philadelphia 76ers ranked 14th in the NBA in defense
1991 Detroit Pistons ranked 4th in the NBA in defense
1992 Miami Heat ranked 24th in the NBA in defense
1992 New York Knicks ranked 2cnd in the NBA in defense
1992 Cleveland Cavaliers ranked 11th in the NBA in defense
1993 Atlanta Hawks ranked 22cnd in the NBA in defense
1993 Cleveland Cavaliers ranked 6th in the NBA in defense
1993 New York Knicks ranked 1st in the NBA in defense
1995 Charlotte Hornets ranked 9th in the NBA in defense
1995 Orlando Magic ranked 13th in the NBA in defense
1996 Miami Heat ranked 6th in the NBA in defense
1996 New York Knicks ranked 3rd in the NBA in defense
1996 Orlando Magic ranked 12th in the NBA in defense
1997 Washington Bullets ranked 13th in the NBA in defense
1997 Atlanta Hawks ranked 3rd in the NBA in defense
1997 Miami Heat ranked 1st in the NBA in defense
1998 New Jersey Nets ranked 21st in the NBA in defense
1998 Charlotte Hornets ranked 15th in the NBA in defense
1998 Indiana Pacers ranked 5th in the NBA in defense


Jordan faced 17 top 5 defenses in the post-season.
Jordan faced 24 top 10 defenses in the post-season.
Jordan faced on average the 8.35 ranked Defense in the NBA, in the post-season.

Let's see how Jordan faired against these defenses:
Playoffs
Most Playoffs Points Per Game NBA history (min. 25 games)
33.4 by Michael Jordan (179 games)

Most Points in a Playoff Game
63 by Michael Jordan

Most 50 Point Playoff Games
8 by Michael Jordan

Most 40 Point Playoff Games
38 by Michael Jordan

Most 30 Point Playoff Games
109 by Michael Jordan

Most 20 Point Playoff Games
174 by Michael Jordan (he played 179 playoff games and scored under 20 only 5 times)

NBA PLAYOFFS HIGH SCORING GAME BY YEAR
1985-86 - 63 Michael Jordan, CHI at BOS Apr 20, 1986
(1st ranked D)

1987-88 - 55 Michael Jordan, CHI vs CLE at CHI May 1, 1988
(5th ranked D)

1988-89 - 50 Michael Jordan, CHI vs CLE at CHI May 5, 1989
(2cnd ranked D)

1989-90 - 49 Michael Jordan, CHI at PHI May 11, 1990
(19th ranked D)

1990-91 - 46 Michael Jordan, CHI at PHI May 10, 1991
(14th ranked D)

1991-92 - 56 Michael Jordan, CHI at MIA Apr 29, 1992
(24th ranked D)

1992-93 - 55 Michael Jordan, CHI vs PHO at CHI Jun 16, 1993
(9th ranked D)

1994-95 - 48 Michael Jordan, CHI at CHA Apr 28, 1995
(9th ranked D)

1995-96 - 46 Michael Jordan, CHI at NYK May 11, 1996
(3rd ranked D)

1996-97 - 55 Michael Jordan, CHI vs WAS at CHI Apr 27, 1997
(13th ranked D)

1997-98 - 45 Michael Jordan, CHI at UTA Jun 14, 1998
(16th ranked D)

ALL-TIME HIGHEST SCORING AVERAGES SERIES, NBA PLAYOFFS
Jerry West, LAL vs BAL, 1965..... 46.3
Michael Jordan, CHI vs CLE, 1988..... 45.2 (Cleveland ranked 5th in the NBA in defense that season)

Michael Jordan NBA record 8 50 point games in the playoffs
Michael Jordan Chicago at Boston 63 April 20, 1986 (1st ranked D)
Michael Jordan Chicago at Miami 56 April 29, 1992 (24th ranked D)
Michael Jordan Chicago Cleveland 55 May 1, 1988 (5th ranked D)
Michael Jordan Chicago Phoenix 55 June 16, 1993 (9th ranked D)
Michael Jordan Chicago Washington 55 April 27, 1997 (13th ranked D)
Michael Jordan Chicago New York 54 May 31, 1993 (1st ranked D)
Michael Jordan Chicago Cleveland 50 April 28, 1988 (5th ranked D)
Michael Jordan Chicago Cleveland 50^ May 5, 1989 (2cnd ranked D)
Even more important, Jordan was the main target of these defenses the ENTIRE TIME.


69 Cleveland OT Cleveland 3/28/90
64 Orlando OT Chicago 1/16/93
63 Boston 2OT Boston (Playoffs) * 4/20/86 against #1 rated defense that year
Jordan has the highest point total against a #1 rated defense in league history
in the playoffs no less
61 Detroit OT Detroit 3/4/87
61 Atlanta Chicago 4/16/87
59 Detroit Detroit 3/3/88
58 New Jersey Chicago 2/6/87
57 Washington Chicago 12/23/92
56 Philadelphia Chicago 3/24/87
56 Miami Miami (Playoffs) 4/29/92
55 Cleveland Chicago (Playoffs) 5/1/88
55 Phoenix Chicago (Playoffs) 6/16/93
55 New York New York 3/28/95
55 Washington Washington (Playoffs) 4/30/97
54 L.A. Lakers Los Angeles 11/20/92
54 Cleveland Chicago 11/3/89
54 New York Chicago (Playoffs) 5/31/93
53 Portland Chicago 1/8/87
53 Indiana Chicago 4/12/87
53 Phoenix Chicago 1/21/89
53 Detroit Chicago 3/7/96
52 Cleveland Chicago 12/17/87
52 Portland Chicago 2/26/88
52 Boston Boston 11/9/88
52 Philadelphia Philadelphia 11/16/88
52 Denver Denver 11/26/88
52 Orlando Orlando 12/20/89
52 Charlotte Chicago 3/12/93
51 New Orleans Washington 12/29/01
51 Washington Washington 3/19/92
51 New York Chicago 1/21/97
50 New York New York 11/1/86
50 Milwaukee Milwaukee 4/13/87
50 Boston Chicago 3/18/88
50 Cleveland Chicago (Playoffs) 4/28/88
50 Milwaukee Chicago 2/16/89
50 Cleveland Chicago (Playoffs) 5/5/89
50 Denver Chicago 3/24/92
50 Miami Miami 11/6/96
Those are Jordan's 50 point games, notice how many of them came in the PLAYOFFS. Notice how many came against great defenses and great teams. Also Jordan was the main focus of each defense he faced. That's very important.

ALL-TIME SCORING RECORDS:
1st Place: MJ, 24 scoring records
2nd Place: Wilt, 18 scoring records
3rd Place: Moot
- Highest career scoring average: MJ 30.12
- Highest career playoff scoring average: MJ 33.4
- Highest career Finals scoring average: MJ 33.6 (min. 15 games)
- Highest single season playoff average: MJ 43.7
- Highest single Finals series average: MJ 41.0
- Most Total Points Playoffs: MJ 5987
- Most seasons leading league in scoring: MJ 10
- Most seasons leading league in total points: MJ 11
- Most consecutive seasons leading in scoring: MJ, Wilt tied at 7
- Most 50 point games playoffs: MJ 8
- Most 40 point games playoffs: MJ 38
- Most 30 point games: MJ 563
- Most 30 point games playoffs: MJ 109
- Most consecutive 50 point games playoffs: MJ 2
- Most consecutive 45 point games playoffs: MJ 3
- Most consecutive 40 point games finals: MJ 4
- Most consecutive 30 point games finals: MJ 9
- Most consecutive 20 point games playoffs: MJ 60
- Most consecutive 20 point games finals: MJ 35
- Most consecutive double figures scoring: MJ 866
- Highest scoring game playoffs: MJ 63
- Most points in one half finals: MJ 35
- Oldest to score 50: MJ 51 at age 38
- Oldest to score 40: MJ 43 at age 40

Jordan won 10 scoring titles, 6 he won while making over 50% of his shots, Jordan led the league in steals, Jordan was the best shot blocking guard, Jordan won 14 combined MVP's (3 all star, 5 league, 6 finals). Jordan averaged 33, 6, and 6 in the Finals for his career. Jordan averaged 31.5ppg on 51.5% shooting when he wore a Bulls uniform while leading the league in scoring 10 times.

Jordan made 33 out of 58 game winners. Kobe's missed more game winners in the last 5 years than Jordan did in his entire career. Listing Kobe's made game winners is frivilous at best when you don't point out that he's only made barely over 25% of his game winning attempts in his entire career.
Link to 82 games.com's game winning stats:
http://www.82games.com/gamewinningshots.htm

Kobe has been propped up to Jordan status without the 5 league MVP's, 6 finals MVP's, 10 scoring titles, playoff averages, career regular season averages, etc. Basically Kobe has been propped up to Jordan status for trying to use Michael Jordan's skill set.
Thank you.

[Roundball_Rock]

A LeBron and Jordan stan? Amazing. So amazing

The ultimate bandwagon fan. :oldlol:

[KenneBell]

Hey bruceblitz, my name is kennebell. I think LeBron is already the greatest player in the history of the game, and miles ahead of MJ. Can you please rebut my statement?

[CantStop]

Bruce is not even a stan of Lebron. In reality, he just HATES whoever is compared to Kobe and hates whoever is compared to Michael which is why he has to discredit both Kobe and Pippen. Sad but it's the truth.

[bruceblitz]

Hey bruceblitz, my name is kennebell. I think LeBron is already the greatest player in the history of the game, and miles ahead of MJ. Can you please rebut my statement?
LeBron is only 24 years old so I feel the comparison at this point isn't applicable because LeBron isn't far enough into his career.

Advantages LeBron has on Jordan:
Led his team to the Finals at a younger age
More reb per game
More ast per game

Advantages Jordan has on LeBron age vs age:
Scoring titles
PPG
fg%
defense
Peak performances

That being said, LeBron is by far on the closest pace to Jordan status, LeBron still has his best years ahead of him, so I can't say LeBron is gonna pass him and I can't say that he wont pass him. Only time will tell.

Even Jordan himself said that LeBron could end up going down as the greatest player ever.

[bruceblitz]

Bruce is not even a stan of Lebron. In reality, he just HATES whoever is compared to Kobe and hates whoever is compared to Michael which is why he has to discredit both Kobe and Pippen. Sad but it's the truth.
Dude, I was kind enough to watch the video you posted, but clearly you haven't watched the 3 that I posted. They totally debunked your myths.

[Alpha Wolf]

Kobe winning a championship is bruce's worst nightmare :oldlol:


Get ready for that nightmare to become reality tonight bruce




I'll be ready to listen to his idiotic
responses like

"fg %"

"PER"

"win shares"

"Kobe is a rap!st"

"Kobe had Gasol and Bynum"


http://slamonline.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/KobeRetroTrophy.jpg

# 4 tonight :





:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


:cheers:

[CantStop]

Bruce is just preparing himself for the worst. He's on Microsoft Word right now writing his essays for the next Lakers championship...

[bruceblitz]

Bruce is just preparing himself for the worst. He's on Microsoft Word right now writing his essays for the next Lakers championship...
Kobe finally led a team to a championship. I'm not threatened by that at all. Really when you look at every argument I've raised about Kobe Bryant falling short of Jordan status, leading his team to one championship barely changes anything.

[CantStop]

Kobe finally led a team to a championship. I'm not threatened by that at all. Really when you look at every argument I've raised about Kobe Bryant falling short of Jordan status, leading his team to one championship barely changes anything.

You aren't threatened?

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/9417/smhl.jpg

24 posts tell me otherwise....

[Roundball_Rock]

CantStop how did you get that?

[bruceblitz]

You aren't threatened?

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/9417/smhl.jpg

24 posts tell me otherwise....

Michael Air Jordan vs Kobe Bean Bryant
10 scoring titles vs 2 scoring titles
6 finals MVP's vs 0 finals MVP's
5 league MVP's vs 1 league MVP
30.12ppg car vs 25.1ppg car
33.45ppg playoffs car vs 25.0ppg car
48.7%fg playoffs vs 44.7%fg playoffs
49.6%fg reg season vs 45.5%fg reg season
8 seasons over 30ppg vs 2 seasons over 30ppg
10 seasons over 48%fg vs 0 seasons over 48%fg
6 seasons over 50%fg vs 0 seasons over 50%fg
4 seasons over 52%fg vs 0 seasons over 52%fg
1 season of 30+ 8 and 8 vs 0 seasons of 30+ 8 and 8
3 seasons of 30+ 6+ 6+ vs 0 seasons of 30+ 6+ 6+
1 defensive player of the year award vs 0 defensive player of the year awards

I bolded the only thing that will change in the debate....

[CantStop]

You aren't threatened?

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/9417/smhl.jpg

24 posts tell me otherwise....

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=2

Click the replies number of any thread.

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[bruceblitz]

Why is it that every single thread you Kobe fans want to turn it into a Jordan V Kobe comparison. Clearly you felt insecure about me pointing out that LeBron James is putting up Michael Jordan type performances....

[Roundball_Rock]

Thanks, Cantstop. Repped. :cheers:


LeBron James is putting up Michael Jordan type performances.

:roll:

[CantStop]

Why is it that every single thread you Kobe fans want to turn it into a Jordan V Kobe comparison. Clearly you felt insecure about me pointing out that LeBron James is putting up Michael Jordan type performances....

Wait... who mentioned Kobe first in this thread? I'll let you scratch your head and figure that out. Clearly you had intentions and it was obvious by the 3rd post.

[KenneBell]

Why is it that every single thread you Kobe fans want to turn it into a Jordan V Kobe comparison. Clearly you felt insecure about me pointing out that LeBron James is putting up Michael Jordan type performances....
Why do you keep comparing LeBron and Jordan when it is clear that no one cares and are openly mocking you about your obsession with Michael Jordan and LeBron James?

[bruceblitz]

Wait... who mentioned Kobe first in this thread? I'll let you scratch your head and figure that out. Clearly you had intentions and it was obvious by the 3rd post.
My intention, as a long time fan of basketball, and even though Michael Jordan is my favorite of all time, my intention was to point out that LeBron James had a playoff run this year that was better than any multi-round playoff run Jordan ever had.

[bruceblitz]

Why do you keep comparing LeBron and Jordan when it is clear that no one cares and are openly mocking you about your obsession with Michael Jordan and LeBron James?
It doesn't bother me when Kobe fans mock my comparison. It just shows their lack of perspective. If you haven't noticed, most of the others who are posting in this thread are Kobe Bryant fans. You Kobe fans have taken this website hostage and I throw a big middle finger in the air to that.

[CantStop]

My intention, as a long time fan of basketball, and even though Michael Jordan is my favorite of all time, my intention was to point out that LeBron James had a playoff run this year that was better than any multi-round playoff run Jordan ever had.

Great. Are you dyslexic? Why did you bring up Kobe first into the thread and act like Kobe fans brought him up first? You had intentions and they were obvious by the 3rd post.

For example, look at post 13... you KNEW somebody was gonna bring up Kobe which is why you pasted your essay from another thread. You should cover your tracks a bit more.

[Roundball_Rock]

LeBron James had a playoff run this year that was better than any multi-round playoff run Jordan ever had.

:roll:

Jordan: 6 rings
Lebron: 0

[bruceblitz]

Great. Are you dyslexic? Why did you bring up Kobe first into the thread and act like Kobe fans brought him up first? You had intentions and they were obvious by the 3rd post.
Oh let's see, maybe because a Kobe fan was the first to respond to the thread, and about half-a-dozen more after that. One of these days some of you Kobe fans will rise above this stupidity. Hopefully soon, but I doubt it.

[KenneBell]

You Kobe fans have taken this website hostage and I throw a big middle finger in the air to that.
Who do you think are...effing Bruce Willis? :roll:

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

so, have we established that, at their peaks LEBRON > MJ ???

We have been given the stats herein to prove it.
The only difference is that MJ had Pip/Rodman and Lebron had Mo/Random

[bruceblitz]

:roll:

Jordan: 6 rings
Lebron: 0
Breaking news:

Jordan won 6 rings, LeBron hasn't won 1 yet.

Hey Pau Gasol is about to win a ring, so obviously according to that way of thinking, Pau Gasol > Karl Malone/Charles Barkley
right?

[Roundball_Rock]

Lebron=overrated. 0 rings and he is being compared to MJ. KG>Lebron on the all-time lists right now.

[juju151111]

Thanks, Cantstop. Repped. :cheers:



:roll:
I know the reason you only see MJ fanboys because Kobe fanboys always agree with your posts so you just never pay attention.

[bruceblitz]

so, have we established that, at their peaks LEBRON > MJ ???

We have been given the stats herein to prove it.
The only difference is that MJ had Pip/Rodman and Lebron had Mo/Random
Um, actually the year that Jordan had his best playoff run, Scottie Pippen was still a kid and sitting out games due to a headache.

Jordan had a 32/8/8 season
Jordan shot 54% for entire seasons
Jordan avg 37ppg for an entire season
Jordan avg 41ppg in an NBA Finals series
Jordan won 10 scoring titles, 5 of which he shot over 50% during those seasons

and so on. The Jordan bar is set very high. Jordan's peak production as a whole still trumps LeBron's.

For instance:
Michael Jordan, CHI vs CLE, 1988 Playoffs..... 45.2ppg (Cleveland ranked 5th in the NBA in defense that season)
This is against 80's rules mind you.

So there is still a lot of room to go for LeBron to match Jordan's peak type production, but he has a real good shot to do so.

I do give LeBron credit though because he put up similar numbers this playoff run to a prime Jordan. There's no doubt about that. True Jordan status has a lot to do with sustained domination...

[Roundball_Rock]

:wtf:

Cantstop was showing me a feature of this forum. That has nothing to do with agreeing on anything related to basketball.

[bruceblitz]

Lebron=overrated. 0 rings and he is being compared to MJ. KG>Lebron on the all-time lists right now.
Yes and Charles Barkley/Karl Malone also must be overrated because they didn't have a championship run with their teams....

:wtf:

They both ran into the Jordan squad.

[CantStop]

:wtf:

Cantstop was showing me a feature of this forum. That has nothing to do with agreeing on anything related to basketball.

I know right. There's a lot of idiots on this board. Thank god, this isn't my main basketball forum.

[juju151111]

:wtf:

Cantstop was showing me a feature of this forum. That has nothing to do with agreeing on anything related to basketball.
I am not talking about that. They always agree with your posts because it fits their agenda. Look at alphawolf and Fatal.

[bruceblitz]

I know right. There's a lot of idiots on this board. Thank god, this isn't my main basketball forum.
Yes, and those idiots seem to cheer for Kobe Bryant more often than not.

[bruceblitz]

I am not talking about that. They always agree with your posts because it fits their agenda. Look at alphawolf and Fatal.
juju, why are you trying to actually communicate with that goof. He doesn't have a rational bone in his body.

[IcanzIIravor]

Bruce we need more stats!!!

I have a fever and the only prescription is more stats!:lol

[CantStop]

Yes, and those idiots seem to cheer for Kobe Bryant more often than not.

How does it feel to be in your mid 30's and putting youtube video creator and expert Jordan group!e on your resume. Damn your life is a massive L.

[Roundball_Rock]

Yes and Charles Barkley/Karl Malone also must be overrated because they didn't have a championship run with their teams....


No, they are correctly rated, top 20 all-time in Malone's case and top 20-25 in Barkley's. They are held down--justifiably--for failing to win a championship. Malone would be top 10 all-time if he won a championship.


I know right. There's a lot of idiots on this board. Thank god, this isn't my main basketball forum.

Well, at least blitz and co. are entertaining. :oldlol:

[bruceblitz]

I have a fever and the only prescription is more stats!:lol
Oh, well, I have kidney stones and the only way I can pass them is if I read more unproven and unfounded opinions with no factual backing. Can you get the Kobe fans to start posting their crap again? I gotta take a piss....

[bruceblitz]

How does it feel to be in your mid 30's and putting youtube video creator and expert Jordan group!e on your resume. Damn your life is a massive L.
IF that's what you want to think, I'm fine with that.

[Roundball_Rock]

I am not talking about that. They always agree with your posts because it fits their agenda. Look at alphawolf and Fatal.

Fatal and I seem to just think alike. We agree on top 20 lists, David Robinson, etc. These things have nothing to do with Kobe. I have not posted much with Alpha so it really cannot be said that we agree on everything. We just agree that Scottie Pippen was a great player.

[CantStop]

This is really entertaining especially from a Kobe fan perspective since this is like the dream season.

[bruceblitz]

Fatal and I seem to just think alike. We agree on top 20 lists, David Robinson, etc. These things have nothing to do with Kobe. I have not posted much with Alpha so it really cannot be said that we agree on everything. We just agree that Scottie Pippen is one of our ex-lovers. And Kobe Bryant walks on water and throws the best stick this side of the Mississippi river.
fixed

[thejumpa]

Man you gotta quit with putting up all the MJ stats. I love MJ, I'm a HUGE fan, but.....do you understand that that kind of stuff gets annoying to most? I mean, there is only so much ones going to read before he just skips the whole thing......

Also, don't compare Lebron to MJ. It's just wrong.

[bruceblitz]

Man you gotta quit with putting up all the MJ stats. I love MJ, I'm a HUGE fan, but.....do you understand that that kind of stuff gets annoying to most? I mean, there is only so much ones going to read before he just skips the whole thing......

Also, don't compare Lebron to MJ. It's just wrong.
It's not wrong to compare the two when LeBron has the type of playoff run he had. From a career standpoint LeBron isn't close, but he's shown some Jordanesque abilities to say the least.

[thejumpa]

It's not wrong to compare the two when LeBron has the type of playoff run he had. From a career standpoint LeBron isn't close, but he's shown some Jordanesque abilities to say the least.

Jordanesque abilities? huh? how? scoring? leading a team?

Either way, it's a bogus comparison IMO.

[KenneBell]

Post more Jordan stats!!!!

[bruceblitz]

Here's my first video in my series of LeBron playoff highlights:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XKBCNTbAXM

It features LeBron's best highlights from the Pistons series and a handful of highlights from the Atlanta series.

Part 2 will feature the Atlanta series.
Part 3 will feature the Orlando series.

You gotta watch that. The footwork, footspeed, finesse, power, blah blah, it's a fun watch...

[StroShow4]

You are right though, Jordan and Lebron do have something in common. Neither one of them is playing basketball right now. :confusedshrug:

I lol'd. :oldlol:

[CantStop]

fixed

Wow, oh wow.......


I don't know if I should laugh or thank God that I'm not like you.

[bruceblitz]

Jordanesque abilities? huh? how? scoring? leading a team?

Either way, it's a bogus comparison IMO.
Just watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XKBCNTbAXM

Wait til I get done with part's 2-3...

[KenneBell]

Just watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XKBCNTbAXM

Wait til I get done with part's 2-3...
:bowdown:

LeBron is Jordan. Better than MJ in fact. :bowdown:

[GUUS]

Wow that's a fair way to judge him...he was 22 years old, playing in his first finals appearance, with a team full of nobodies, taking on the world champions. LeBron's 09 playoffs run has been LeBronesque.
no excuses! CAVS ARE A NO EXCUSE TEAM

[juju151111]

Fatal and I seem to just think alike. We agree on top 20 lists, David Robinson, etc. These things have nothing to do with Kobe. I have not posted much with Alpha so it really cannot be said that we agree on everything. We just agree that Scottie Pippen was a great player.
This is my point Alpha is the biggest troll, but you really don't notice him, but you seem to only see MJ trolls. Fatal is a fake MJ fan too. I made this guy leave like 3 threads because he had no response because everything he said was a lie

[KenneBell]

Bruce has changed me. I'm convinced that LeBron is the GOAT. How have I lived my life following other players like Kobe and Duncan? I have seen the light! Oh JesusBlitz, please forgive me. :bowdown:

[Roundball_Rock]

Just watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XKBCNTbAXM

Wait til I get done with part's 2-3...

:oldlol: there are highlight reels of lots of great players online. They do not prove anything.

The 2000's scoreboard

Shaq 4
Kobe 4
Duncan 4*
KG 1
Wade 1
Dirk/Webber/AI/T Mac/Lebron 0

[Laker4Lyfe]

Just watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XKBCNTbAXM

Wait til I get done with part's 2-3...

GET A LIFE MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!! :banghead::banghead::banghead:

[thejumpa]

Good video....I still don't like to compare Lebron to too much because honestly, I don't think he has done much to be considered to someone like MJ. But, at least you have legit reasoning behind your comparison.

[bruceblitz]

Good video....I still don't like to compare Lebron to too much because honestly, I don't think he has done much to be considered to someone like MJ. But, at least you have legit reasoning behind your comparison.
From a career standpoint, you can't put LeBron on Jordan's level yet. It could be a while before we can do that, but he puts up Jordan type performances and that can't be ignored. I mean when I watch the guy play, he reminds me of a young Jordan. Slasher, still perfecting his jumper, dynamic shot blocker, solid defender, and the production LeBron puts up can only be compared with 2 players in the history of the sport, Oscar and Michael. Those are facts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XKBCNTbAXM

[Roundball_Rock]

Notice how similar LeBron's playoff run was to Jordan's from 20 years ago:
LeBron James,.. 2009: 35.3ppg 51%fg 9reb 7ast(lost in Eastern Conference Finals)
Michael Jordan, 1989: 34.8ppg 51%fg 7.0reb 7.6ast(lost in Eastern Conference Finals to the eventual NBA champion Detroit Pistons).

So now LeBron has 1 33-6-6 or better playoff run, Jordan had 4.... you gotta believe LeBron has a good chance to match that.....

T Mac 34/7/8 in 2001. T Mac=future GOAT :bowdown:

[bruceblitz]

T Mac 34/7/8 in 2001. T Mac=future GOAT :bowdown:
Why are you so dumb? LeBron and Jordan's production I posted were through 3 rounds of playoff games.

[Roundball_Rock]

Career playoff stats

T Mac 29/7/6 0 rings
Lebron 29/8/7 0 rings
Iverson 30/4/6 0 rings

T Mac=future GOAT! :bowdown:

[bruceblitz]

Career playoff stats

T Mac 29/7/6 0 rings
Lebron 29/8/7 0 rings
Iverson 30/4/6 0 rings

T Mac=future GOAT! :bowdown:
So you are trying to make yourself look stupid. That's cool.

[D-Rose]

It was Jordanesque in terms of numbers but that's where the comparisons end. No title, no jordanesque brah.

If LeBron has these numbers but fails to win titles like Jordan, he'll be remembered more like Oscar than like Jordan.

[Roundball_Rock]

Lebron=overrated by ESPN, Nike, Vitamin Water, Stern, and about 50 other corporations

KG>Lebron all-time.


It was Jordanesque in terms of numbers but that's where the comparisons end. No title, no jordanesque brah.

If LeBron has these numbers but fails to win titles like Jordan, he'll be remembered more like Oscar than like Jordan.

Exactly. No rings, no Jordanesque. Oscar? Not yet. Right now if he fails to win a ring he will fall by the wayside like a T Mac.

[bruceblitz]

It was Jordanesque in terms of numbers but that's where the comparisons end. No title, no jordanesque brah.

If LeBron has these numbers but fails to win titles like Jordan, he'll be remembered more like Oscar than like Jordan.
I'm sure he wouldn't mind going down on Oscar's level. I think we all know that when LeBron gets that true sidekick, this league will be on lockdown. That being said, Jordan's best playoff multi-series run from a statistical standpoint ended with Jordan crying in the back of the team bus after the Pistons whipped my Bulls. He really did cry on the team bus too that year.

[bruceblitz]

Lebron=overrated by ESPN, Nike, Vitamin Water, Stern, and about 50 other corporations

KG>Lebron all-time.



Exactly. No rings, no Jordanesque. Oscar? Not yet. Right now if he fails to win a ring he will fall by the wayside like a T Mac.

So you overrate Kobe, underrate Jordan, overrate Pippen, and underrate LeBron. You are 100% matching the criteria of being a Kobe Bryant apostle. You can hide it all you want, your bias shows in your posts. Just GTFO of here.

[Roundball_Rock]

I think we all know that when T Mac gets that true sidekick, this league will be on lockdown.

How did that work out?

[CantStop]

So you overrate Kobe, underrate Jordan, overrate Pippen, and underrate LeBron. You are 100% matching the criteria of being a Kobe Bryant apostle. You can hide it all you want, your bias shows in your posts. Just GTFO of here.

You defend MJ, underrate Kobe, defend Lebron, underrate Pippen. You are 100 % matching the criteria of being a Michael Jordan apostle. You can hide it all you want, your bias shows in your posts. Just GTFO of here.

[bruceblitz]

How did that work out?
LeBron led bums to the Finals. The Spurs defense double and triple teamed him the entire series, or he already would have a title. Don't even put T-Mac on LeBron's level. The fact that you are trying to do that further buries your credibility.

[bruceblitz]

You are right about MJ, right about Kobe, right about Lebron, right about Pippen. You are 100 % matching the criteria of being a basketball savant. You even provide mountains worth of evidence.
Fixed

[CantStop]

[QUOTE=bruceblitz]I'm an idiot and waste of life/QUOTE]

Co-sign.

[bruceblitz]

I'm an idiot and waste of life

.

You shouldn't say that about yourself. Also, CantStop, I should point out, if I was on this website overrating Kobe, like you do, you would worship my balls because if the evidence was there to back Kobe being ranked as high as you rank him, I would post it. Too bad it's not there.

[Roundball_Rock]

Lebron choked. He should have 2 rings by now if he were the next coming of MJ.

[bruceblitz]

Lebron choked. He should have 2 rings by now if he were the next coming of MJ.
LeBron is 24 years old, Jordan didn't win a ring as the leader of the team until his 7th season. Jordan was 28 years old when he led his team to a championship.

So where do you come up with that?

By the way, you aren't defending Jordan, you just can't stand the fact that LeBron is this good. Hater.

[GUUS]

LeBron led bums to the Finals. The Spurs defense double and triple teamed him the entire series, or he already would have a title. Don't even put T-Mac on LeBron's level. The fact that you are trying to do that further buries your credibility.
Lebron was the king of Choke City until Orlando claimed that crown in game 4.

Best record in the league, number one seed, 66 wins to go out before the finals? Lebron getting like 2 points in the second half of the deciding game? That's a chokejob. Swept by the spurs shooting like 33% all finals? Another choke job.

Lebron James is not the best player until he learns not to choke at the big stage.

Also understand his stats are inflated by 25 freethrows a game. He gets freethrows for tripping on his own feet, and knocking people down with his shoulder.

I thought D-Wade was the most unfairly reffed player ever but Lebron took that crown and then some this season.

[bruceblitz]

Funniest thing about my opinion in this debate, everyone knows the extent of my knowledge when it pertains to Jordan's career so when I say LeBron played on a level similar to Jordan it carries much more weight than anyone else on here. Remember that.

[bruceblitz]

Lebron was the king of Choke City until Orlando claimed that crown in game 4.

Best record in the league, number one seed, 66 wins to go out before the finals? Lebron getting like 2 points in the second half of the deciding game? That's a chokejob. Swept by the spurs shooting like 33% all finals? Another choke job.

Lebron James is not the best player until he learns not to choke at the big stage.

Also understand his stats are inflated by 25 freethrows a game. He gets freethrows for tripping on his own feet, and knocking people down with his shoulder.

I thought D-Wade was the most unfairly reffed player ever but Lebron took that crown and then some this season.

So, this is choking in your book? This:
To summarize for easier reading:
LeBron vs Orlando 2009 playoffs...38.5ppg 48.7%fg 8.3reb 8ast 1.16blk 1.16stl
Kobe vs Orlando 2009 playoffs..... 33ppg 43.2%fg 5.5reb 8ast .75blk 1.25stl

LeBron played like crap against the Spurs, they took him out of the game by constantly trapping him. He was a 22 year old kid with a bum ass team around him. Now he's a 24 year old player who's team went into the tank against Orlando...... Look at the way Kobe is able to play at a lesser level of greatness against the Magic, but yet his team is still blowing them out of the gym. That also further proves how much better the supporting cast is around Kobe. This isn't hard to evaluate. It's all right there for you.

[bruceblitz]

If 38.5ppg 48.7%fg 8.3reb 8ast 1.16blk 1.16stl is choking, what would you consider playing up to your standards?

[Roundball_Rock]

LeBron is 24 years old

He is in his 6th season. Here is how other all-time greats/great contemporary players fared:

Kareem: won in his second season
Larry Bird: won in his season season (2 rings after 6 seasons)
Magic: won in his first season (3 rings after 6 seasons)
Jordan: took seven seasons
Russell: won in his first season (5 rings after 6 seasons)
Wilt: took eight seasons
Duncan: won in his second season (2 rings after 6 seasons)
Kobe: won in his fourth season (3 rings after 6 seasons)
Wade: won in his third season

[bruceblitz]

He is in his 6th season. Here is how other all-time greats/great contemporary players fared:

Kareem: won in his second season
Larry Bird: won in his season season (2 rings after 6 seasons)
Magic: won in his first season (3 rings after 6 seasons)
Jordan: took seven seasons
Russell: won in his first season (5 rings after 6 seasons)
Wilt: took eight seasons
Duncan: won in his second season (2 rings after 6 seasons)
Kobe: won in his fourth season (3 rings after 6 seasons)
Wade: won in his third season
Take Kobe off that list. He wasn't the leader of those championship teams..

Post their ages.....

LeBron is 24, most of the players you are listing were older than LeBron and had better supporting casts around them while winning championships.

So you mean to tell me that if you give LeBron David Robinson, that he wouldn't win a championship?

You give LeBron a prime Shaq, he wouldn't win a championship?

You give LeBron the team that D Wade had when facing Dallas, that LeBron wouldn't have won a championship?

You give LeBron Magic Johnson's team, he wouldn't win a championship?

You give LeBron Havlicek and Bob Cousy, he wouldn't win championships?

Your argument sucks.

Don't even try with that crap.

[bruceblitz]

There is only one player who at the age of 24 can be compared to LeBron James, and that's Jordan. (as far as individual brilliance is concerned)

[Roundball_Rock]

Lebron was the king of Choke City until Orlando claimed that crown in game 4.

Best record in the league, number one seed, 66 wins to go out before the finals? Lebron getting like 2 points in the second half of the deciding game? That's a chokejob. Swept by the spurs shooting like 33% all finals? Another choke job.

Lebron James is not the best player until he learns not to choke at the big stage.

Also understand his stats are inflated by 25 freethrows a game. He gets freethrows for tripping on his own feet, and knocking people down with his shoulder.

This. He has had two golden opportunities to live up to the hype and failed both times. Do you think any real top 10 player would lose with a 66 win team? Dirk doing it is one thing but the alleged future GOAT Lebron???


There is only one player who at the age of 24 can be compared to LeBron James, and that's Jordan. (as far as individual brilliance is concerned)

:oldlol:

Kareem at 24>anybody else at 24. Kareem took a bunch of scrubs from 27 wins to 56 wins and the conference finals as a rookie. He then won 66 games and the title at age 23 the following season. He scored more points than anyone in his first three seasons, including 35 ppg in one season (matched by only MJ and Kobe since that I believe) and averaged 3rd in rebounding twice and 4th the other year.

[bruceblitz]

Roundball Rock: 20 posts in this thread, still nothing positive about LeBron to say. Just trying to post propaganda. You just can't give LeBron props can you.

When you see this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XKBCNTbAXM

It just pisses you off doesn't it.

[bruceblitz]

This. He has had two golden opportunities to live up to the hype and failed both times. Do you think any real top 10 player would lose with a 66 win team? Dirk doing it is one thing but the alleged future GOAT Lebron???
Show me a 66 win team that couldn't beat the Lakers in the regular season and was basically owned by the Magic in the regular season. Show me a 66 win team with a worse supporting cast. Show me a 66 win team that has everyone but the best player lower their level of play in the playoffs.

Mo Williams, his "sidekick" went straight into the tank in the playoffs, this is common knowledge to anyone who actually watched the games, but Roundball Rock somehow has found a way to blame LeBron.

:no:

You are a certifiable idiot.

[bruceblitz]

Roundball Rock: 20 posts in this thread, still nothing positive about LeBron to say. Just trying to post propaganda. You just can't give LeBron props can you.

When you see this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XKBCNTbAXM

It just pisses you off doesn't it.
:violin:

[bruceblitz]

Hey Roundball Rock, you might want to turn over a new leaf and become a real basketball fan instead of a Scottie Pippen/Kobe Bryant apostle....

LeBron James and the Cleveland Cavaliers fell six wins short of their ultimate goal but that should not obscure the fact that James put together one of the greatest individual performances in playoff history. He became the only player to ever average at least 35 ppg, 7 apg and 7 rpg for an entire playoff season; James final numbers in 14 playoff games were 35.3 ppg, 9.1 rpg and 7.3 apg while shooting .510 from the field, .333 from three point range and .749 from the free throw line. There have only been four other 30-7-7 playoff seasons in NBA/ABA playoff history:

Oscar Robertson, 1963 Cincinnati Royals: 31.8 ppg, 13.0 rpg, 9.0 apg, .470 field goal percentage, .864 free throw percentage in 12 games (lost in Eastern Division Finals to the eventual NBA champion Boston Celtics).

Oscar Robertson, 1966 Cincinnati Royals: 31.8 ppg, 7.6 rpg, 7.8 apg, .408 field goal percentage, .897 free throw percentage in five games (lost in Eastern Division semifinals to the eventual NBA champion Boston Celtics).

Michael Jordan, 1989 Chicago Bulls: 34.8 ppg, 7.0 rpg, 7.6 apg, .510 field goal percentage, .286 three point shooting percentage, .799 free throw percentage in 17 games (lost in Eastern Conference Finals to the eventual NBA champion Detroit Pistons).

During the Robertson seasons cited above, the NBA did not have a three point shot rule and the playoffs consisted of two Divisional rounds followed by the NBA Finals.

Robertson played in fewer playoff games than the other players in this elite club but he also faced the greatest dynasty in NBA history, the Bill Russell-led Boston Celtics, a franchise that won 11 championships in 13 seasons.

It is interesting to note that in each case prior to James this year it took nothing less than the future league champion to stop a team featuring a 35-7-7 playoff performer. Robertson eventually won an NBA championship in 1971 with the Milwaukee Bucks, and Jordan later captured six championships with the Chicago Bulls; while this is a small sample size, Cleveland fans can take some solace in the fact that 35-7-7 playoff performers do have a championship pedigree, though it is also worth noting that among these players only Jordan came close to averaging 35-7-7 in the playoffs during a championship season, which underscores the fact that winning a title requires a team effort.

Jordan had three 35-6-6 playoff seasons (1987, 1990, 1993

[Micku]

Take Kobe off that list. He wasn't the leader of those championship teams..

Post their ages.....

LeBron is 24, most of the players you are listing were older than LeBron and had better supporting casts around them while winning championships.

So you mean to tell me that if you give LeBron David Robinson, that he wouldn't win a championship?

You give LeBron a prime Shaq, he wouldn't win a championship?

You give LeBron the team that D Wade had when facing Dallas, that LeBron wouldn't have won a championship?

You give LeBron Magic Johnson's team, he wouldn't win a championship?

You give LeBron Havlicek and Bob Cousy, he wouldn't win championships?

Your argument sucks.

Don't even try with that crap.

Well, he did had a good team this year. The team was a bit overrated, but it was good.

And yeah, LeBron playoff run this year was really good in terms of stats. He played great against Orlando, but his team couldn't get the win although it was very close. He had to work too hard though, didn't he like ran 50% of the Cavs offensive? The Magic is apparently the best at letting the stars go off and getting the win anyway. Let us see what he does next year.

[juju151111]

i am not not a LJ fan, but no way in hell that team played like a 66 win team vs orlando. They missed open shots after open shots and their 2nd best player didn't show up in any gm.

[bruceblitz]

Well, he did had a good team this year. The team was a bit overrated, but it was good.

And yeah, LeBron playoff run this year was really good in terms of stats. He played great against Orlando, but his team couldn't get the win although it was very close. He had to work too hard though, didn't he like ran 50% of the Cavs offensive? The Magic is apparently the best at letting the stars go off and getting the win anyway. Let us see what he does next year.
I'm looking forward to it. When the Lakers lost to the Celtics, Kobe said his number one motivation was to avenge that loss as a team, they are doing that. When Jordan's Bulls lost to the Pistons, it was the same thing. When Jordan came back from baseball and they were run out of the gym by the Magic, the following year they swept the Magic. Hell, even in football, when my Bears were embarassed by the Niners in the Conference Championship, the focus was to avenge the loss in the 86 playoffs, which we did. Losing creates focus, so just imagine LeBron actually raising his game next year. Scary thought. If LeBron's team can raise their level of play, that would be even bigger. I don't know about this whole Shaq to Cleveland thing, and if it will work out, but they do need to bring in that low post scorer.

[GUUS]

Show me a 66 win team that couldn't beat the Lakers in the regular season and was basically owned by the Magic in the regular season. Show me a 66 win team with a worse supporting cast. Show me a 66 win team that has everyone but the best player lower their level of play in the playoffs.

Mo Williams, his "sidekick" went straight into the tank in the playoffs, this is common knowledge to anyone who actually watched the games, but Roundball Rock somehow has found a way to blame LeBron.

:no:

You are a certifiable idiot.
thats because Lebron the chokejob chokes against the elite teams-ALWAYS, but somehow he gets a free pass cuz 'its just the regular season'

seriously, check out Lebrons shooting percentage in all games vs Orlando, LA and Houston this year. Do it.

[Alpha Wolf]

Take Kobe off that list. He wasn't the leader of those championship teams..





:oldlol: You can hate Kobe all you want, but NO KOBE means NO RINGS for Shaq either


Two of Shaq's three finals MVPs were won while playing head to head against Rik Smits and Todd MacCulloch it's not Shaq's fault who the opponent was but he might was well have been playing against a couple of high school sophomores given the quality of Smits' and MacCulloch's play The 2001 final was against Dikembe Mutombo who was on the downside of his career



In terms of who they were competing against Kobe had to do more defensively and offensively than Shaq had to do


Kobe initiated the offense for the Lakers. Defended the best perimeter player. Was the one not removed at the end of games like Shaq, who was a liability when the game was close or on the line.


In the first championship Kobe won a game for the Lakers when Shaq fouled out He carried that team Then he was injured for game 3 the Lakers lost as Reggie Miller goes off for 33 points and Shaq has his lowest scoring output of the Finals

[bruceblitz]

So, this is choking in your book? This:
To summarize for easier reading:
LeBron vs Orlando 2009 playoffs...38.5ppg 48.7%fg 8.3reb 8ast 1.16blk 1.16stl
Kobe vs Orlando 2009 playoffs..... 33ppg 43.2%fg 5.5reb 8ast .75blk 1.25stl

LeBron played like crap against the Spurs, they took him out of the game by constantly trapping him. He was a 22 year old kid with a bum ass team around him. Now he's a 24 year old player who's team went into the tank against Orlando...... Look at the way Kobe is able to play at a lesser level of greatness against the Magic, but yet his team is still blowing them out of the gym. That also further proves how much better the supporting cast is around Kobe. This isn't hard to evaluate. It's all right there for you.
Guus, explain how 38.5ppg 48.7fg% 8.3reb 8ast 1.16blk 1.16stl is choking, explain. Also, why aren't you posting Mo Williams's numbers in the Orlando series?

So, that being said, LeBron's 24 and Jordan was 28 when Jordan first led a team to a championship. Not saying Jordan couldn't have done it at an earlier age with a better supporting cast, because the same could be said for LeBron. Unfortunately for Jordan and LeBron they weren't drafted by teams that made trades for players of Shaq's caliber their rookie year....

[bruceblitz]

:oldlol: You can hate Kobe all you want, but NO KOBE means NO RINGS for Shaq either


Two of Shaq's three finals MVPs were won while playing head to head against Rik Smits and Todd MacCulloch it's not Shaq's fault who the opponent was but he might was well have been playing against a couple of high school sophomores given the quality of Smits' and MacCulloch's play The 2001 final was against Dikembe Mutombo who was on the downside of his career

In terms of who they were competing against Kobe had to do more defensively and offensively than Shaq had to do

Kobe initiated the offense for the Lakers. Defended the best perimeter player. Was the one not removed at the end of games like Shaq, who was a liability when the game was close or on the line.

In the first championship Kobe won a game for the Lakers when Shaq fouled out He carried that team Then he was injured for game 3 the Lakers lost as Reggie Miller goes off for 33 points and Shaq has his lowest scoring output of the Finals
Kobe 97 playoffs shot 38%
Kobe 98 playoffs shot 40%
Kobe 99 playoffs shot 43%
Kobe 00 playoffs shot 44%
Kobe 01 playoffs shot 47%
Kobe 02 playoffs shot 43%
Kobe 03 playoffs shot 43%
Kobe 04 playoffs shot 41%
Kobe 05 DNP in playoffs, missed playoffs without Shaq

Playoff production:
Shaq 97 27ppg 61%fg 10.6reb 3.2ast
Shaq 98 30.5ppg 50%fg 10.2reb 2.9ast
Shaq 99 26.6ppg 47%fg 11.6reb 2.3ast
Shaq 00 30.7ppg 46%fg 15.4reb 3.1ast
Shaq 01 30.4ppg 53%fg 15.4reb 3.2ast
Shaq 02 28.5ppg 65%fg 12.6reb 2.8ast
Shaq 03 27ppg 62%fg 14.8reb 3.7ast
In 2004 Kobe started to freeze Shaq out of the offense, a big reason why he left:
Shaq 04 21.5ppg 43%fg 13.2reb 2.5ast

Imagine if LeBron had Prime Shaq as a teammate. It would be a dynasty!

NBA Finals production:
1999-2000 vs Indiana Pacers
Kobe 15ppg 4rpg 4apg 36.6%FG
Shaq 38ppg 16rpg 2apg 61%FG

2000-2001 vs Philadelphia
Kobe 24ppg 7rpg 5apg 41.5%FG
Shaq 33ppg 15rpg 4apg 57%FG

2001-2002 vs New Jersey Nets
Kobe 26ppg 5rpg 5apg 51%FG
Shaq 36ppg 12rpg 3apg 59%FG

2004 NBA Finals
Kobe 22.6ppg 2.8rpg 4.4apg 38%FG
Shaq 26ppg 10rpg 1apg 63%FG
2004 Finals Kobe froze Shaq out of the offense, it probably would have been a better move from a team standpoint to feed the guy who's making 63% of his shots the ball more rather than have a guy shooting 38% shot-jack.


Derrick Fisher and Robert Horry were more clutch during the Lakers title runs than Kobe.

[The Logo]

Kobe did something that neither Jordan nor LeBron could do...win 3 rings by age 24.

At age 24, Jordan was busy getting swept by the Celtics in the first round.

At age 24, LeBron failed to make it past the ECF despite being the favorites with home court advantage.

:hammertime:

[branslowski]

Derrick Fisher and Robert Horry were more clutch during the Lakers title runs than Kobe.

No Credibility.....Dick Head...

[bruceblitz]

Kobe did something that neither Jordan nor LeBron could do...win 3 rings by age 24.

At age 24, Jordan was busy getting swept by the Celtics in the first round.

At age 24, LeBron failed to make it past the ECF despite being the favorites with home court advantage.

:hammertime:
Kobe had prime Shaq you moron...
http://www.jayquan.com/shaq_kobe_jpg.jpg

Kobe 97 playoffs shot 38%
Kobe 98 playoffs shot 40%
Kobe 99 playoffs shot 43%
Kobe 00 playoffs shot 44%
Kobe 01 playoffs shot 47%
Kobe 02 playoffs shot 43%
Kobe 03 playoffs shot 43%
Kobe 04 playoffs shot 41%
Kobe 05 DNP in playoffs, missed playoffs without Shaq

Playoff production:
Shaq 97 27ppg 61%fg 10.6reb 3.2ast
Shaq 98 30.5ppg 50%fg 10.2reb 2.9ast
Shaq 99 26.6ppg 47%fg 11.6reb 2.3ast
Shaq 00 30.7ppg 46%fg 15.4reb 3.1ast
Shaq 01 30.4ppg 53%fg 15.4reb 3.2ast
Shaq 02 28.5ppg 65%fg 12.6reb 2.8ast
Shaq 03 27ppg 62%fg 14.8reb 3.7ast
In 2004 Kobe started to freeze Shaq out of the offense, a big reason why he left:
Shaq 04 21.5ppg 43%fg 13.2reb 2.5ast

Imagine if LeBron had Prime Shaq as a teammate. It would be a dynasty!

NBA Finals production:
1999-2000 vs Indiana Pacers
Kobe 15ppg 4rpg 4apg 36.6%FG
Shaq 38ppg 16rpg 2apg 61%FG

2000-2001 vs Philadelphia
Kobe 24ppg 7rpg 5apg 41.5%FG
Shaq 33ppg 15rpg 4apg 57%FG

2001-2002 vs New Jersey Nets
Kobe 26ppg 5rpg 5apg 51%FG
Shaq 36ppg 12rpg 3apg 59%FG

2004 NBA Finals
Kobe 22.6ppg 2.8rpg 4.4apg 38%FG
Shaq 26ppg 10rpg 1apg 63%FG
2004 Finals Kobe froze Shaq out of the offense, it probably would have been a better move from a team standpoint to feed the guy who's making 63% of his shots the ball more rather than have a guy shooting 38% shot-jack.


Derrick Fisher and Robert Horry were more clutch during the Lakers title runs than Kobe.

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[bruceblitz]

No Credibility.....Dick Head...
That's a fact, between Horry and Fisher combined they had 4 times as many clutch shots as Kobe during those title runs "dick head".

[branslowski]

That's a fact, between Horry and Fisher combined they had 4 times as many clutch shots as Kobe during those title runs "dick head".

Just STFU You Agenda ridden F*ck Face.....God, your ruining my appreciation of MJ...Real rap...Cause he has Stupid Fan Boys like you....Ashame.

[KenneBell]

seriously, check out Lebrons shooting percentage in all games vs Orlando, LA and Houston this year. Do it.
Do it Bruce.

[bruceblitz]

Let's look at the 98-99 Lakers:

Regular Season:
Glen Rice 17.5ppg 43.2%fg 39.3%3pt 3.7reb 2.6ast
Kobe Bryant 19.9ppg 46.5%fg 26.7%3pt 4.3reb 3.8ast
Shaq ONeal 26.4ppg 57.6%fg 10.7reb 2.3ast

Playoffs: 98-99
Glen Rice 18.3ppg 44.6%fg 35.7%3pt 3.9reb 1.6ast
Kobe Bryant 19.8ppg 43.0%fg 34.8%3pt 6.9reb 4.6ast
Shaq ONeal 26.6ppg 51.0%fg 11.6reb 2.3ast

[catch24]

That's a fact, between Horry and Fisher combined they had 4 times as many clutch shots as Kobe during those title runs "dick head".

hmm, do you have any evidence or statistics to back this "claim" up? Kobe bailed the entire Lakers squad out of game 4 loss in Indiana (Shaq fouling out and Kobe taking over the entire OT). That'd be 4-5 shots alone.

[branslowski]

Let's look at the 98-99 Lakers:

Regular Season:
Glen Rice 17.5ppg 43.2%fg 39.3%3pt 3.7reb 2.6ast
Kobe Bryant 19.9ppg 46.5%fg 26.7%3pt 4.3reb 3.8ast
Shaq ONeal 26.4ppg 57.6%fg 10.7reb 2.3ast

Playoffs: 98-99
Glen Rice 18.3ppg 44.6%fg 35.7%3pt 3.9reb 1.6ast
Kobe Bryant 19.8ppg 43.0%fg 34.8%3pt 6.9reb 4.6ast
Shaq ONeal 26.6ppg 51.0%fg 11.6reb 2.3ast

Your Point??

[Alpha Wolf]

Kobe was the one dropping 40+ and dunking on the Twin Towers in 2001.

Kobe was the one leading the Lakers back from 10+ 2nd half deficits THREE times in 2002. Kobe was the one ripping up the Spurs in 2004 Kobe was the one who brought the Lakers back against Portland in 00'

People forget that Shaq had Nick Van Exel, Eddie Jones, Ceballos, and Elden Cambell as a supporting cast and couldn't even make the Finals until Kobe became a starter.

[catch24]

Let's look at the 98-99 Lakers:

Regular Season:
Glen Rice 17.5ppg 43.2%fg 39.3%3pt 3.7reb 2.6ast
Kobe Bryant 19.9ppg 46.5%fg 26.7%3pt 4.3reb 3.8ast
Shaq ONeal 26.4ppg 57.6%fg 10.7reb 2.3ast

Playoffs: 98-99
Glen Rice 18.3ppg 44.6%fg 35.7%3pt 3.9reb 1.6ast
Kobe Bryant 19.8ppg 43.0%fg 34.8%3pt 6.9reb 4.6ast
Shaq ONeal 26.6ppg 51.0%fg 11.6reb 2.3ast

? That Kobe was better overall than Glen Rice pre and postseason? Ha. We know Shaq was the anchor of those rings, but Kobe was definitely 1A. Second fiddles don't average 27ppg during the playoffs, sorry Agenda Boy.

[bruceblitz]

Regular season 99-00:
Ron Harper 7.0ppg 39.9%fg 31.1%3pt 4.2reb 3.4ast
Glen Rice 15.9ppg 43.0%fg 36.7%3pt 4.1reb 2.2ast
Kobe Bryant 22.5ppg 46.8%fg 31.9%3pt 6.3reb 4.9ast
Shaq ONeal 29.7ppg 57.4%fg 13.6reb 3.8ast


Playoffs: 99-00:
Ron Harper 8.6ppg 43.1%fg 23.1%3pt 3.7reb 3.2ast
Glen Rice 12.4ppg 40.8%fg 41.8%3pt 4.0reb 2.1ast
Kobe Bryant 21.1ppg 44.2%fg 34.4%3pt 4.5reb 4.4ast
Shaq ONeal 30.7ppg 56.6%fg 15.4reb 3.1ast

Looks like that 99-00 Lakers team was pretty stacked to me.... especially when you add in all of the clutch shots that Robert Horry and Derrick Fisher made....


Just imagine LeBron James on that team....instead of Kobe....

again though, this is one of "Kobe's rings", it's not that he was merely part of a championship team, it's "his" ring. Which further implies that he was the "leader", which he wasn't even close. He was barely more intricate to the first title than Glen Rice...

[catch24]

Regular season 99-00:
Ron Harper 7.0ppg 39.9%fg 31.1%3pt 4.2reb 3.4ast
Glen Rice 15.9ppg 43.0%fg 36.7%3pt 4.1reb 2.2ast
Kobe Bryant 22.5ppg 46.8%fg 31.9%3pt 6.3reb 4.9ast
Shaq ONeal 29.7ppg 57.4%fg 13.6reb 3.8ast


Playoffs: 99-00:
Ron Harper 8.6ppg 43.1%fg 23.1%3pt 3.7reb 3.2ast
Glen Rice 12.4ppg 40.8%fg 41.8%3pt 4.0reb 2.1ast
Kobe Bryant 21.1ppg 44.2%fg 34.4%3pt 4.5reb 4.4ast
Shaq ONeal 30.7ppg 56.6%fg 15.4reb 3.1ast

Looks like that 99-00 Lakers team was pretty stacked to me.... especially when you add in all of the clutch shots that Robert Horry and Derrick Fisher made....


Just imagine LeBron James on that team....instead of Kobe....

He would have to defer to Shaq, his overall stats wouldn't be inflated. This is the triangle (equal opportunity offense), remember?

[bruceblitz]

He would have to defer to Shaq, his overall stats wouldn't be inflated. This is the triangle (equal opportunity offense), remember?
Your point? My contention is that LeBron easily would have won a ring at 20 years old with that team...

[catch24]

Your point? My contention is that LeBron easily would have won a ring at 20 years old with that team...

Hmm, ok. That'd be speculation, but sure, he "could" have won a ring with my Lakers. Just like Pippen "could" have won a ring with Hakeem.

[bruceblitz]

Hmm, ok. That'd be speculation, but sure, he "could" have won a ring with my Lakers. Just like Pippen "could" have won a ring with Hakeem.
Cant argue with that. Pippen was a good sidekick.

[branslowski]

Your point? My contention is that LeBron easily would have won a ring at 20 years old with that team...

He Probably would....But he didn't....This is a whole Fact vs Fantasy....

Don't start bringing in "What If's" and using that as your fuel wagon...You know better than that....

[bruceblitz]

He Probably would....But he didn't....This is a whole Fact vs Fantasy....

Don't start bringing in "What If's" and using that as your fuel wagon...You know better than that....
Oh really, so comparing LeBron not having a ring at this age, to a guy who had prime Shaq leading him to titles, that's an equal playing field? You seriously can't comprehend why you would put it in perspective the way I have?

[branslowski]

Oh really, so comparing LeBron not having a ring at this age, to a guy who had prime Shaq leading him to titles, that's an equal playing field? You seriously can't comprehend why you would put it in perspective the way I have?

F*ck it...You cant understand the whole "If" argument thing....There's nothing I can do...If Kobe had Pippen, he would win 20 titles...You know why he would? Because I said so...Yeah, yeah, even though it's no reality, nor fact, it's still my fav "What If".....

:ohwell:

[catch24]

Kobe and Hakeem 10 titles, duh Brans.

Kobe and Pippen? Easily the whole decade...Ha.

[bruceblitz]

F*ck it...You cant understand the whole "If" argument thing....There's nothing I can do...If Kobe had Pippen, he would win 20 titles...You know why he would? Because I said so...Yeah, yeah, even though it's no reality, nor fact, it's still my fav "What If".....

:ohwell:
Branslowski, your style of debating is hilarious... you suck

Dale Ellis's peak: 27.5ppg 50.1%fg 47.8%3pt 81.6ft 4.2reb 2.0ast 1.3stl .3blk
Glen Rice's peak: 26.8ppg 47.7%fg 47.0%3pt 86.7%ft 4.0reb 2.0ast .9stl .3blk
Clyde Drexler's pk:27.2ppg 49.6%fg 26.0%3pt 79.9%ft 7.9reb 5.8ast 2.7stl .7blk
S. Pippen's peak: 22.0ppg 49.1%fg 32.0%3pt 66.0%ft 8.7reb 5.6ast 2.9stl .8blk
Adrian Dantley pk:30.7ppg 58.0%fg 0 att 3pts 84.7%ft 6.4reb 4.8ast .9stl .0blk
Chris Mullin's pk:..26.5ppg 50.9%fg 23.0%3pt 89.2%ft 5.9reb 5.1ast 2.1stl .5blk
Wilkins's peak:... 30.7ppg 46.4%fg 29.5%3pt 82.6%ft 6.4reb 2.9ast 1.3stl .6blk
Kemp's peak.....: 20.5ppg 48.2%fg 50%3pt 78.9%ft 9.2reb 2.4ast 1.1stl 1.1blk
Jeff Malone peak: 24.3ppg 49.1%fg 16.7%3pt 87.7%ft 2.7reb 3.2ast .6stl .1blk
Penny's peak:.... 21.7ppg 51.3%fg 31.4%3pt 76.7%ft 4.3reb 7.1ast 2.0stl .5blk
Grant Hill 's peak:25.8ppg 48.9%fg 34.7%3pt 79.5%ft 6.6reb 4.2ast 1.4stl .6blk
Terry Porter's pk:.17.7ppg 47.1%fg 36.1%3pt 84.0%ft 4.5reb 9.5ast 1.8stl .1blk
James Worthy pk:21.1ppg 54.8%fg 30.6%3pt 78.2%ft 6.0reb 3.6ast 1.2stl .6blk
Mark Aguirre's pk:29.5ppg 52.4%fg 26.8%3pt 74.9%ft 5.9reb 4.5ast 1.0stl .3blk
Billy Owens's pk: 15.0ppg 50.7%fg 20.0%3pt 61.0%ft 8.1reb 4.1ast 1.1stl .8blk




If you can't see the fact that Dale Ellis and Glen Rice were much better offensive players than Pippen,
Lets look at the most prominent accolades that Scottie Pippen has received:

1990: Scottie Pippen chosen to "Dream Team 1".
SI reported: Scottie Pippen had played one All-Star Calibur season when he was chosen to be on the first U.S. Olympic Men's basketball team that included NBA players. He was chosen ahead of Isiah Thomas who at the time had just led the Detroit Pistons to two NBA Championships and was beginning to wind down his Hall of Fame career. Some mentioned that Pippen may have benefited from the Jordan revenge on Thomas for the alleged "Freeze out" in the 1985 NBA All-Star Game. The real Freeze out in that game was when "Iceman" George Gervin torched Jordan and the East for 23 points. Pippen belonged on Dream Team 2, not the original Dream Team, his stardom was not fully established when he was selected for Dream Team 1.

1991 Scottie "Shut Down" Magic Johnson in the 1991 NBA Finals.
First: Lets disspell a myth. Scottie Pippen did not "shut down" Magic Johnson in the 1991 NBA Finals:
Johnson's numbers in the 1991 NBA Finals:
Game Pts Rebs Ast
1 19 10 11
2* 14 7 10
3* 22 6 10
4* 22 6 11
5* 16 11 20
* games when Johnson was guarded by Pippen


Johnsons's 1991 NBA Finals Stats: 18.6ppg 8.0rpg 12.4apg
Johnson's 1991 NBA Finals stats while guarded by Pippen: 18.5ppg 7.5rpg 12.8apg
Johnson's 1990-91 Regular season stats 19.4ppg 7.0apg 12.5apg


When you consider that an assist causes your team to score 2 points, Johnson was actually more productive for his team (by a tiny fraction) while guarded by Pippen than he was in Game 1 of the 1991 NBA Finals or the 1990-91 regular season.

While Scottie deserves credit for keeping Magic from completely "going off" in the series, Pippen only slowed Johnson down in Game 2. In games 3-5 Johnson averaged 20ppg, 7.7rpg 13.7apg, all better than his regular season numbers. Pippen was a great defender but, Johnson, -like all of the game's All Time Greats do in big games- still "got his" while he was guarded by Scottie Pippen. Johnson even had 20 assists in game 5 when his two long time trusted options: James Worthy and Byron Scott, were out with injuries.

1996 "All Around Best Player"
The media likes to make up labels for their favorite people to make them look better than they really are. Remember the 2000 Presidential Election when Democrats in the media made up the term "gravitas" to make their guy Al Gore look more presidential than his opponents? There is no NBA award for "All-Around best player" It was just a special label that was made up for one guy: Scottie Pippen. The pro-Pippen media was not happy saying "1995 All-Star game MVP Scottie Pippen" they wanted something to make him look better than he really was. If other point-forwards like Connie Hawkins and Paul Pressey were also acknowledged for their "All-Around Best Play" then this label would have some merit. On the day Pippen left Chicago the media immediately stopped using the phrase "All Around Best Player" to describe him.

1996: Pippen on the "50 Greatest Players" List
Pippen made the "50 Greatest Players in NBA History" list. Oscar Robertson said this: "Beyond the first 10 or 12 guys the 50 greatest players list was about who had the best P.R.. Bob McAdoo, a former league MVP did not make the list." If Scottie Pippen had played in a small market like Portland or Denver for his entire career it is highly unlikely that he would have been on the 50 greateast players list. Just ask Sidney Moncrief.

I would like to acknowledge that I thought Pippen was one of the best forwards in the game when he was at his peak. The simple fact remains that his accomplishments were magnified by his playing in Chicago. Pippen would have been an All-Star no matter where he played, but there would have been far less attention and good P.R. in a small market. Pippen's first year in Portland showed on a national stage another huge weakness his game: He can't take his team on his back in the clutch and win. That is why Scottie was MIA when his Blazers went to L.A. and pulled off the most collosal Game 7 fourth quarter choke in NBA playoff history. Pippen spent that fourth quarter watching Rasheed Wallace and Brian Grant lay bricks instead of taking over when it was obvious his team was in trouble. All the Blazers needed was a few baskets to stave off the Laker rally. That is why it is absurd to think that Pippen is of the same calibur as Larry Bird, Elgin Baylor and Julius Erving, those guys would not have let their team choke so badly if they were Blazers in Pippen's place.


The Bulls had nine different players on that '93-'94 team average at least seven points per game. In the playoffs, Chicago ran into their bitter rival, the New York Knicks, in the Eastern Conference semifinals. The Knicks had been eliminated by Jordan and the Bulls in each of the previous three seasons so they were obviously extremely motivated to take advantage of the golden opportunity that lay before them. The Knicks eventually ended the Bulls' season Personally, I believe they missed Jordan's leadership, grit, and toughness, nearly as much as his actual talent. Scottie Pippen, who is arguably one of most overrated players in NBA history, couldn't handle the responsibilities and pressures that come with being his team's best player and unquestioned leader. For instance, I could never look at Scottie Pippen the same way after he took himself out of Game 3 of that Knicks series with 1.4 seconds left on the clock, after Phil Jackson decided Toni Kukoc would take the game's final, game-winning shot (as Pippen sulked, whined, and watched from the bench.) Pippen was perfectly suited to play second fiddle, but was not build to be the top banana. The Bulls struggled to stay over .500 in the 94-95 season but they won 76% of their games when Jordan returned and he wasn't even in basketball shape yet. The following season the Bulls won 72 games in '95-'96, as everyone comfortable in their respective roles…

When you have all of these ass-hat nut licking Kobe lovers huddled on Pippen's jock it's hard to be too positive about Scottie Pippen. When he left the sinking ship in Chicago to join the Rockets he was thought to be the missing piece. Hakeem Olajuwon and Charles Barkley were aging, and they really needed someone to lean on. Pippen came in saying he would be that person, and then immediately started punking his teammates. His constant complaining and finger-pointing made him the most unpopular player in the history of the Rockets, with fans basically threatening to tar and feather him (this is Texas) on his way out of town.

Pippen was better in Portland, where expectations were lower, but he didn't have any more success being the "missing piece" there, either. I'll never forget the 2000 Western Conference Finals, in which the Blazers had a chance to eliminate the Lakers in Game 7 in Portland. Portland had a double-digit lead going into the fourth quarter and Pippen inexplicably began taking lots of long jumpers with 20 seconds on the shot clock. It was like he was trying to throw the game . . .and it worked. Portland wound up losing. I guess that's why it was always Steve Kerr or John Paxson taking big shots for the Bulls when MJ deferred. Pippen just wasn't up to it.

Would the Bulls have been a lottery team without MJ? No. But they certainly wouldn't have been a championship team, either. Dominique Wilkins and Patrick Ewing would have seen to that . . .long before Olajuwon got hold of them.

Yep, Kobe with that guy would be an instant title. Just imagine Kobe pulling the Bulls through a 7 game series against the 80's Pistons or early 90's Knicks let alone the Suns who featured the league MVP, or the Blazers who featured a tough front court in Kersey/Duckworth and a great combo in Porter/Drexler, yes, the same Kobe/Pippen tandem who would defeat the Magic Johnson led Lakers, or better yet, when Pippen missed half the season in 98 and wasn't 100% in the playoffs, Kobe would will them to wins past his prime. :wtf:

[juju151111]

F*ck it...You cant understand the whole "If" argument thing....There's nothing I can do...If Kobe had Pippen, he would win 20 titles...You know why he would? Because I said so...Yeah, yeah, even though it's no reality, nor fact, it's still my fav "What If".....

:ohwell:
You have to look at it through brans. Would Prime shaq be missing those shots in the playoffs like mo williams.

[bruceblitz]

You have to look at it through brans. Would Prime shaq be missing those shots in the playoffs like mo williams.
The only type of post that Branslowski likes is this:

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: Kobe

[bruceblitz]

Gotta love the fact that myself, as a Bulls/Jordan fan, I open up this thread to give LeBron the ultimate props and it gets littered with dumb Kobe fans.

[branslowski]

Branslowski, your style of debating is hilarious... you suck

:

Yeah, especially when it dubunks your ass.....

[bruceblitz]

Yeah, especially when it dubunks your ass.....
dubunks? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

I could post an opinion that the sky is black during a bright sunny day and you wouldn't be able to properly debunk it...

[DonDadda59]

:rolleyes:

[bruceblitz]

:rolleyes:
:oldlol:

[catch24]

Gotta love the fact that myself, as a Bulls/Jordan fan, I open up this thread to give LeBron the ultimate props and it gets littered with dumb Kobe fans.

Good one, considering the Fact you starting opening your mouth talking about Kobe. Intelligence equates to Homerism, according to your "debating skills". Lol.

[juju151111]

The only type of post that Branslowski likes is this:

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: Kobe
Brans is actually one of the more sane kobe fan.

[catch24]

Brans is actually one of the more sane kobe fan.

What is your definition of a "sane" Kobe fan? Curious Juju..

[bruceblitz]

Good one, considering the Fact you starting opening your mouth talking about Kobe. Intelligence equates to Homerism, according to your "debating skills". Lol.
Wrong, the first response in this thread was from a Kobe fan and a dumb Kobe fan on the first page didn't acknowledge that it was Jordanesque, he called it "Kobe esque" which is ridiculous.

At the age of 24 Kobe was shooting 43% in the playoffs, compared to LeBron shooting 51%. 32 points vs 38 points. 5 rebounds 5 assists vs 8 rebounds 8 assists. Get my drift?

Kobe fans ruin threads. You morons have taken this website hostage and us real basketball fans are taking a stand.

[bruceblitz]

Brans is actually one of the more sane kobe fan.
Yeah right. He isn't as over-the-top as some of the others, merely because he tries to hold it in. His true bias comes out in spurts.

[branslowski]

The only type of post that Branslowski likes is this:

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: Kobe

Nah, great over exaggeration....I just dislike Homo's with an Agenda...I only came in this thread after reading a dumb quote saying Horry was more clutch than Kobe during the Title runs....

Much Respect to LeBron, he had a hell of a run...His Run was LeBronesque....No Prob with that....If your gonna get upset when someone defends Kobe from your stupid agenda....deal with it, eat a sandwhich, and go f*ck your blow-up doll to MJ mixtape's....

[The Logo]

You can hate Kobe all you want, but NO KOBE means NO RINGS for Shaq either


Two of Shaq's three finals MVPs were won while playing head to head against Rik Smits and Todd MacCulloch it's not Shaq's fault who the opponent was but he might was well have been playing against a couple of high school sophomores given the quality of Smits' and MacCulloch's play The 2001 final was against Dikembe Mutombo who was on the downside of his career

In terms of who they were competing against Kobe had to do more defensively and offensively than Shaq had to do

Kobe initiated the offense for the Lakers. Defended the best perimeter player. Was the one not removed at the end of games like Shaq, who was a liability when the game was close or on the line.

In the first championship Kobe won a game for the Lakers when Shaq fouled out He carried that team Then he was injured for game 3 the Lakers lost as Reggie Miller goes off for 33 points and Shaq has his lowest scoring output of the Finals
This is a great post man. With Kobe on the verge of winning a title as the man, no one can use the Shaq excuse anymore. IN fact, we can say that Shaq never won a ring without a Top 50 player.

Kobe: will be a Top 5 or Top 10 player by the end of his career
Wade: will definitely be a Top 50 player or better by the end of his career

ANother thing...Kobe will get rid of the "can't win without Shaq" excuse forever today or on Tuesday (unless we see a major choke from the Lakers). But for Jordan, he never won a ring without Pippen. That will hold true forever. Kobe has Gasol who is a good player but nowhere near the player that Pippen was.

Pippen:

6 NBA Championships
7 NBA All-Star selections
3 All-NBA First Team selections
2 All-NBA Second Team selections
2 All-NBA Third Team selections
8 NBA All-Defensive First Team selections :eek:

Gasol:

0 NBA championships
2 NBA All-Star selections
0 All-NBA First Team selections
0 All-NBA Second Team selections
1 All-NBA Third Team selections
0 NBA All-Defensive First Team selections

It's not even close. It is very impressive that not only did Kobe win 3 championships by the age of 24, he's about to win a championship without a Top 50 All time player by his side :applause:

[Alpha Wolf]

People forget that Shaq had Nick Van Exel, Eddie Jones, Ceballos, and Elden Cambell as a supporting cast and couldn't even make the Finals until Kobe became a starter.





Shaq was not reliable when the game was very close in the 4th quarter with less than 5 minutes Why you think phil setup plays for kobe to takeover ?

Kobe was not a sidekick to shaq at all. kobe was the one who would takeover in the last quarter but everybody acts like kobe was average role player that enjoy a free trip to the final while piggy ridding on shaq's back. kobe earn his stripe during the lakers dynasty . he put up great numbers and along with great clutch performances. kobe is one of the best player in history of nba. give props where its due

[bruceblitz]

Nah, great over exaggeration....I just dislike Homo's with an Agenda...I only came in this thread after reading a dumb quote saying Horry was more clutch than Kobe during the Title runs....

Much Respect to LeBron, he had a hell of a run...His Run was LeBronesque....No Prob with that....If your gonna get upset when someone defends Kobe from your stupid agenda....deal with it, eat a sandwhich, and go f*ck your blow-up doll to MJ mixtape's....
Oh so you came in this thread titled "You can make a case that LeBron's 2009 Playoff run was Jordanesque" because you knew through your telepathic abilities that I had posted the fact that big shot Rob hit more clutch shots in the title runs than Kobe. Which is a fact.

[catch24]

Wrong, the first response in this thread was from a Kobe fan and a dumb Kobe fan on the first page didn't acknowledge that it was Jordanesque, he called it "Kobe esque" which is ridiculous.

At the age of 24 Kobe was shooting 43% in the playoffs, compared to LeBron shooting 51%. 32 points vs 38 points. 5 rebounds 5 assists vs 8 rebounds 8 assists. Get my drift?

Kobe fans ruin threads. You morons have taken this website hostage and us real basketball fans are taking a stand.

So one fan = flooding the entire thread with propaganda, garbage Copying/pasting? Ha. Once again, LeBron doesn't/didn't have to defer to a top 3 Center of all time, let alone top 5-10 player. Yeah, while you think Kobe fans ruin threads, it is your insecurity and agenda posting that actually does it. Is it a coincidence you've been banned here a handful of times? :confusedshrug:

[juju151111]

Yeah right. He isn't as over-the-top as some of the others, merely because he tries to hold it in. His true bias comes out in spurts.
He does try to be unbias through. The rest of them would say anything to make Kobe look good.

[bruceblitz]

People forget that Shaq had Nick Van Exel, Eddie Jones, Ceballos, and Elden Cambell as a supporting cast and couldn't even make the Finals until Kobe became a starter.





Shaq was not reliable when the game was very close in the 4th quarter with less than 5 minutes Why you think phil setup plays for kobe to takeover ?

Kobe was not a sidekick to shaq at all. kobe was the one who would takeover in the last quarter but everybody acts like kobe was average role player that enjoy a free trip to the final while piggy ridding on shaq's back. kobe earn his stripe during the lakers dynasty . he put up great numbers and along with great clutch performances. kobe is one of the best player in history of nba. give props where its due

Kobe didn't take over **** you douche...

Regular season 99-00:
Ron Harper 7.0ppg 39.9%fg 31.1%3pt 4.2reb 3.4ast
Glen Rice 15.9ppg 43.0%fg 36.7%3pt 4.1reb 2.2ast
Kobe Bryant 22.5ppg 46.8%fg 31.9%3pt 6.3reb 4.9ast
Shaq ONeal 29.7ppg 57.4%fg 13.6reb 3.8ast


Playoffs: 99-00:
Ron Harper 8.6ppg 43.1%fg 23.1%3pt 3.7reb 3.2ast
Glen Rice 12.4ppg 40.8%fg 41.8%3pt 4.0reb 2.1ast
Kobe Bryant 21.1ppg 44.2%fg 34.4%3pt 4.5reb 4.4ast
Shaq ONeal 30.7ppg 56.6%fg 15.4reb 3.1ast

Looks like that 99-00 Lakers team was pretty stacked to me.... especially when you add in all of the clutch shots that Robert Horry and Derrick Fisher made....


Just imagine LeBron James on that team....instead of Kobe....

again though, this is one of "Kobe's rings", it's not that he was merely part of a championship team, it's "his" ring. Which further implies that he was the "leader", which he wasn't even close. He was barely more intricate to the first title than Glen Rice...

[bruceblitz]

So one fan = flooding the entire thread with propaganda, garbage Copying/pasting? Ha. Once again, LeBron doesn't/didn't have to defer to a top 3 Center of all time, let alone top 5-10 player. Yeah, while you think Kobe fans ruin threads, it is your insecurity and agenda posting that actually does it. Is it a coincidence you've been banned here a handful of times? :confusedshrug:
I get banned because I am more relentless than most and I start to flame on here, because I feel like it.

Now, I do appreciate the fact that I've presented so many facts that it's now just a matter of pasting the facts in your faces. It's hard to come back on those facts, all you guys can do is take personal attacks. It's fine, I post the facts, people read them, the insecure bastard Kobe dick suckers flame me for it, and I laugh about it, while presenting more facts and more facts.

[catch24]

He does try to be unbias through. The rest of them would say anything to make Kobe look good.

Mayhem <--

Just like you with Jordan, juju? Or "Tmac"?

Please dude.

[juju151111]

People forget that Shaq had Nick Van Exel, Eddie Jones, Ceballos, and Elden Cambell as a supporting cast and couldn't even make the Finals until Kobe became a starter.





Shaq was not reliable when the game was very close in the 4th quarter with less than 5 minutes Why you think phil setup plays for kobe to takeover ?

Kobe was not a sidekick to shaq at all. kobe was the one who would takeover in the last quarter but everybody acts like kobe was average role player that enjoy a free trip to the final while piggy ridding on shaq's back. kobe earn his stripe during the lakers dynasty . he put up great numbers and along with great clutch performances. kobe is one of the best player in history of nba. give props where its due
Wow you can actually make a posts that makes sense even through i disagree. Kobe was the sidekick in those chip run especially the first on.

[branslowski]

Oh so you came in this thread titled "You can make a case that LeBron's 2009 Playoff run was Jordanesque" because you knew through your telepathic abilities that I had posted the fact that big shot Rob hit more clutch shots in the title runs than Kobe. Which is a fact.

Nah, I was simply reading through the comments....Then saw a idiotic statment...Replied...And, here we are...Agendaman.....

Im goin to go watch Lakers in the Finals.....Have fun with your whole agenda, I mean, "Perspective" thing...

[catch24]

I get banned because I am more relentless than most and I start to flame on here, because I feel like it.

Now, I do appreciate the fact that I've presented so many facts that it's now just a matter of pasting the facts in your faces. It's hard to come back on those facts, all you guys can do is take personal attacks. It's fine, I post the facts, people read them, the insecure bastard Kobe dick suckers flame me for it, and I laugh about it, while presenting more facts and more facts.

You post "facts" and people, including myself, have debunked the diminishing of a top 15 player of all time. You can appreciate all the "facts" you post, but people still consider them walls of texts and don't read them...Why? Well, you're agenda ridden. You cherry pick around stats, and post your opinions, biased of course.

[juju151111]

Mayhem <--

Just like you with Jordan, juju? Or "Tmac"?

Please dude.
?? When have you seen me talk bad about Kobe unless pah or someone else. When have i bash Pippen unless someone says he was more important then MJ. I use Facts and pah/alpha/ is the idiot. I actually liked Kobe until i came on forums.

[Alpha Wolf]

This is a great post man. With Kobe on the verge of winning a title as the man, no one can use the Shaq excuse anymore. IN fact, we can say that Shaq never won a ring without a Top 50 player.

Kobe: will be a Top 5 or Top 10 player by the end of his career
Wade: will definitely be a Top 50 player or better by the end of his career

ANother thing...Kobe will get rid of the "can't win without Shaq" excuse forever today or on Tuesday (unless we see a major choke from the Lakers). But for Jordan, he never won a ring without Pippen. That will hold true forever. Kobe has Gasol who is a good player but nowhere near the player that Pippen was.

Pippen:

6 NBA Championships
7 NBA All-Star selections
3 All-NBA First Team selections
2 All-NBA Second Team selections
2 All-NBA Third Team selections
8 NBA All-Defensive First Team selections :eek:

Gasol:

0 NBA championships
2 NBA All-Star selections
0 All-NBA First Team selections
0 All-NBA Second Team selections
1 All-NBA Third Team selections
0 NBA All-Defensive First Team selections

It's not even close. It is very impressive that not only did Kobe win 3 championships by the age of 24, he's about to win a championship without a Top 50 All time player by his side :applause:


:applause:


why does Kobe have to win 3 rings WITHOUT Shaq? why doesnt Shaq have to win WITHOUT a dominant guard? Penny, Kobe, D-Wade.. i guarantee you ANY player would love to have those guys assist them in winning a ring


People are afraid to let MJ go and cherish the fact that he won all these rings and MVP's, in a league that didnt have nearly as much talent as now adays.. nor as many stacked teams


not to mention, MJ did it in the Eastern Conference (aka the easiest conference). im not making any excuses because MJ is a certified legend, but the gap between him and Kobe is much smaller than most ppl would like to admit. its just bruce cant let go the image of growing up on MJ, which in my opinion is lame. Kobe should be given his due respect


who cares how many finals or MVP's someone has? Steve Nash has 2 MVP's and has never even made a Finals before.. that's not a legit argument its an excuse to undermine a great player ppl kill me with there explanations and biased opinions.. MJ didnt have a dominant big man? no, he had an overall GREAT team that complimented his game perfectly. did MJ himself lead Chicago to 72 games? ppl are STUPID

no one player can lead teams to rings.. before Pippen and company, Bulls were 1st Round exits. not to mention guys like Kareem, Bird, Magic, etc. were aging as MJ entered the game


there are so many intangibles as to why Chicago was good.. difference is because MJ is a media mogul people are willing to pretend he single-handedly won 6 rings without Pippen, Rodman, Kukoc, Harper, and company.. but quick to act like Kobe's performance wasn't detrimental in L.A's success, rather than just Shaq

:confusedshrug: ppl dont know **** about sports.

[bruceblitz]

Let's see who these videos feature:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHkArsWPZbg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yRRng1PWsU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp19op8uK1E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvuKAmLZgkg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mav2iBA1cwo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRBhle2IX4Y

Fisher/Horry > Kobe in the clutch during those title runs

HANDS DOWN

[catch24]

?? When have you seen me talk bad about Kobe unless pah or someone else. When have i bash Pippen unless someone says he was more important then MJ. I use Facts and pah/alpha/ is the idiot. I actually liked Kobe until i came on forums.

I've seen you do it on his page before. Alpha, pah, and roundball are no different then Bruce, definitely not. That sucks that you cannot like Kobe because of Forum trolls...Oh well, your loss.

[catch24]

Let's see who these videos feature:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHkArsWPZbg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yRRng1PWsU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp19op8uK1E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvuKAmLZgkg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mav2iBA1cwo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRBhle2IX4Y

Fisher/Horry > Kobe in the clutch during those title runs

HANDS DOWN

Wrong. Kobe had 4-5 clutch shots ALONE in 2000 Finals during OT. YouTube footage won't do it agenda boy.

[bruceblitz]

Wrong. Kobe had 4-5 clutch shots ALONE in 2000 Finals during OT. YouTube footage won't do it agenda boy.
Glen Rice took over clutch situations during the 2000 Finals. Kobe was merely part of the team. Shaq was the dominating force, similar to the dominating force on the Bulls title runs, and the dominating force on the Rockets title runs.

Lakers, Rockets and Bulls championship teams all had one thing in common, they featured the most dominant player in the game at the time:

Jordan, Hakeem, Shaq.

Argue with that one.

[bruceblitz]

[QUOTE=bruceblitz]Jordan had three 35-6-6 playoff seasons (1987, 1990, 1993

[bruceblitz]

[QUOTE=bruceblitz]
LeBron James and the Cleveland Cavaliers fell six wins short of their ultimate goal but that should not obscure the fact that James put together one of the greatest individual performances in playoff history. He became the only player to ever average at least 35 ppg, 7 apg and 7 rpg for an entire playoff season; James final numbers in 14 playoff games were 35.3 ppg, 9.1 rpg and 7.3 apg while shooting .510 from the field, .333 from three point range and .749 from the free throw line. There have only been four other 30-7-7 playoff seasons in NBA/ABA playoff history:

Oscar Robertson, 1963 Cincinnati Royals: 31.8 ppg, 13.0 rpg, 9.0 apg, .470 field goal percentage, .864 free throw percentage in 12 games (lost in Eastern Division Finals to the eventual NBA champion Boston Celtics).

Oscar Robertson, 1966 Cincinnati Royals: 31.8 ppg, 7.6 rpg, 7.8 apg, .408 field goal percentage, .897 free throw percentage in five games (lost in Eastern Division semifinals to the eventual NBA champion Boston Celtics).

Michael Jordan, 1989 Chicago Bulls: 34.8 ppg, 7.0 rpg, 7.6 apg, .510 field goal percentage, .286 three point shooting percentage, .799 free throw percentage in 17 games (lost in Eastern Conference Finals to the eventual NBA champion Detroit Pistons).

During the Robertson seasons cited above, the NBA did not have a three point shot rule and the playoffs consisted of two Divisional rounds followed by the NBA Finals.

Robertson played in fewer playoff games than the other players in this elite club but he also faced the greatest dynasty in NBA history, the Bill Russell-led Boston Celtics, a franchise that won 11 championships in 13 seasons.

It is interesting to note that in each case prior to James this year it took nothing less than the future league champion to stop a team featuring a 35-7-7 playoff performer. Robertson eventually won an NBA championship in 1971 with the Milwaukee Bucks, and Jordan later captured six championships with the Chicago Bulls; while this is a small sample size, Cleveland fans can take some solace in the fact that 35-7-7 playoff performers do have a championship pedigree, though it is also worth noting that among these players only Jordan came close to averaging 35-7-7 in the playoffs during a championship season, which underscores the fact that winning a title requires a team effort.

Jordan had three 35-6-6 playoff seasons (1987, 1990, 1993

[catch24]

Glen Rice took over clutch situations during the 2000 Finals. Kobe was merely part of the team. Shaq was the dominating force, similar to the dominating force on the Bulls title runs, and the dominating force on the Rockets title runs.

Lakers, Rockets and Bulls championship teams all had one thing in common, they featured the most dominant player in the game at the time:

Jordan, Hakeem, Shaq.

Argue with that one.

merely apart of the team who averaged 27ppg during the 2001 playoffs lol. Whatever though, I agree Jordan, Hakeem, Shaq = anchors of their championship teams.

I'm out, watching the game.

[GiveItToBurrito]

I don't know about Jordan-esque necessarily since Lebron doesn't really play that much like Jordan (to me, he's Larry Bird in Dominique's body + Shaq's muscles), but it was definitely an amazing performance. I don't like the guy, but he played incredibly well, and I blame the Cavs' loss on Brown and their personnel, not Lebron.

[Alpha Wolf]

:wtf: who says Kobe wasnt the main man? YOU ?

Kobe's put up 20+ PPG consistently in those Laker runs, and this on limited minutes while not even starting every game



Shaq may have been the focal point considering he is a 7 foot dominating force, but without consistent guardplay L.A doesnt have any rings. why doesnt anybody hate on Magic for not winning without Kareem? CUZ THEY REALIZE NOT ONE PERSON WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS.. U NEED AT LEAST 2 GOOD PLAYERS! AND THE GUARD/CENTER COMBO WILL ALWAYS WORK

if Kobe wasn't a great player, Lakers wouldnt have had a three peat. everybody knows this, yet pretend otherwise cuz they dont wanna give Kobe his props for fear that he will keep gettin compared to MJ

besides being a big guy in the paint, Shaq was never clutch and is one of the worst free throw shooters ever. Kobe's maturation on the court is the main reason L.A won rings, and the main reason Kobe stayed and Shaq left. nobody has to admit it, but any REAL basketball fan realizes this.

[The Logo]

:applause:


why does Kobe have to win 3 rings WITHOUT Shaq? why doesnt Shaq have to win WITHOUT a dominant guard? Penny, Kobe, D-Wade.. i guarantee you ANY player would love to have those guys assist them in winning a ring


People are afraid to let MJ go and cherish the fact that he won all these rings and MVP's, in a league that didnt have nearly as much talent as now adays.. nor as many stacked teams


not to mention, MJ did it in the Eastern Conference (aka the easiest conference). im not making any excuses because MJ is a certified legend, but the gap between him and Kobe is much smaller than most ppl would like to admit. its just bruce cant let go the image of growing up on MJ, which in my opinion is lame. Kobe should be given his due respect


who cares how many finals or MVP's someone has? Steve Nash has 2 MVP's and has never even made a Finals before.. that's not a legit argument its an excuse to undermine a great player ppl kill me with there explanations and biased opinions.. MJ didnt have a dominant big man? no, he had an overall GREAT team that complimented his game perfectly. did MJ himself lead Chicago to 72 games? ppl are STUPID

no one player can lead teams to rings.. before Pippen and company, Bulls were 1st Round exits. not to mention guys like Kareem, Bird, Magic, etc. were aging as MJ entered the game


there are so many intangibles as to why Chicago was good.. difference is because MJ is a media mogul people are willing to pretend he single-handedly won 6 rings without Pippen, Rodman, Kukoc, Harper, and company.. but quick to act like Kobe's performance wasn't detrimental in L.A's success, rather than just Shaq

:confusedshrug: ppl dont know **** about sports.
Another quality post...couldn't agree more.

[bhallic24]

yes only difference is lebron failed. haaaaaaaaaaaahhaahahaa.

[juju151111]

I've seen you do it on his page before. Alpha, pah, and roundball are no different then Bruce, definitely not. That sucks that you cannot like Kobe because of Forum trolls...Oh well, your loss.
LOL Stop lying. You only see me post sometimes during games and when someone disrespect MJ. It just gets to you when you here idiots talking nonsense all the time. Its not like i don't still watch Kobe games. The Lakers,Rockets,Wiards, and portland is the only teams i do watch.

[bruceblitz]

:wtf: who says Kobe wasnt the main man? YOU ?

Kobe's put up 20+ PPG consistently in those Laker runs, and this on limited minutes while not even starting every game



Shaq may have been the focal point considering he is a 7 foot dominating force, but without consistent guardplay L.A doesnt have any rings. why doesnt anybody hate on Magic for not winning without Kareem? CUZ THEY REALIZE NOT ONE PERSON WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS.. U NEED AT LEAST 2 GOOD PLAYERS! AND THE GUARD/CENTER COMBO WILL ALWAYS WORK

if Kobe wasn't a great player, Lakers wouldnt have had a three peat. everybody knows this, yet pretend otherwise cuz they dont wanna give Kobe his props for fear that he will keep gettin compared to MJ

besides being a big guy in the paint, Shaq was never clutch and is one of the worst free throw shooters ever. Kobe's maturation on the court is the main reason L.A won rings, and the main reason Kobe stayed and Shaq left. nobody has to admit it, but any REAL basketball fan realizes this.
You clearly weren't watching the NBA during those title runs.... first of all, listen to your boy Kobe:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7RGEVoHGMw&feature=channel_page


1999 Playoffs
game 3 vs Rockets 5-17fg
(Shaq 12-21fg)
game 4 vs Rockets 9-25fg
(Shaq 14-22fg)

The championship years!
2000 Playoffs
game 1 vs Kings 11-22fg
(Shaq 21-33fg)
game 4 vs Kings 13-30fg
(Shaq 10-22fg)
game 5 vs Kings 7-16fg
(Shaq 15-24fg)

game 1 vs Suns 8-17fg
(Shaq 15-28fg)
game 2 vs Suns 6-11fg
(Shaq 16-28fg)
game 3 vs Suns 8-20fg
(Shaq 14-21fg)
game 4 vs Suns 10-20fg
(Shaq 10-15fg) (Kobe takes as many shots as Shaq, Lakers lose)
game 5 vs Suns 6-16fg
(Shaq 7-19fg)

game 1 vs Blazers 4-9fg
(Shaq 14-25fg)
game 2 vs Blazers 2-9fg
(Shaq 9-16fg)
game 4 vs Blazers 5-15fg
(Shaq 8-17fg)
game 5 vs Blazers 4-13fg
(Shaq 12-20fg)

NBA Finals
game 1 vs Pacers 6-13fg
(Shaq 21-31fg)
game 2 vs Pacers 1-3fg
(Shaq 11-18fg)
game 3 vs Pacers DNP
(Shaq 15-24fg)
game 5 vs Pacers 4-20
(Shaq 17-27fg)
game 6 vs Pacers 8-27fg
(Shaq 19-32fg)

Just imagine, what if Jordan had Shaq his rookie season with Da Bulls, like Kobe did at the age of 20-21? Too bad Jordan only had Orlando Woolridge as a teammate.

2001 NBA Playoffs

game 3 vs Blazers 9-23fg
(Shaq 9-17fg)

game 1 vs Kings 10-23fg
(Shaq 17-32fg)
game 2 vs Kings 9-19fg
(Shaq 18-26fg)
game 3 vs Kings 10-22fg
(Shaq 8-13fg)

WCF (Best series of Kobe's career up to this point)
game 1 vs Spurs 19-35fg
(Shaq 11-22fg)
game 2 vs Spurs 11-24fg
(Shaq 8-21fg)
game 3 vs Spurs 14-27fg
(Shaq 16-23fg)
game 4 vs Spurs 10-19fg
(Shaq 11-19fg)

2001 NBA Finals
game 1 vs Sixers 7-22fg
(Shaq 17-28fg)
game 2 vs Sixers 11-23fg
(Shaq 12-19fg)
game 3 vs Sixers 13-30fg
(Shaq 11-20fg)
game 4 vs Sixers 6-13fg
(Shaq 13-25fg)
game 5 vs Sixers 7-18fg
(Shaq 10-18fg)

Once again, Shaq leads the Lakers to a championship, covers up Kobe's inconsistent play. This is why we call them "Shaq's rings".

Kobe in the playoffs:
1997 playoffs 21-55fg (38%)
1998 playoffs 31-76fg (40.8%)
1999 playoffs 61-142fg (43%)
2000 playoffs 174-394fg (44%)
2001 playoffs 168-358fg (46.9%)
2002 playoffs 187-431fg(43.4%)
2003 playoffs 137-317fg(43.2%)
2004 playoffs 190-460fg(41.3%)

Shaq was without a doubt the stabalizing force behind those titles. If Shaq wasn't there to ensure efficient baskets, the Lakers would have been out in the first round with a guy who could barely make over 40% of his shots as a whole from 97-04 playoffs....

[TheAnchorman]

Jordan and Kobe fanatics arguing in another thread... priceless. Just ****ing let it go already, Jordan was by far the most important guy on the team, and Shaq was by far the most important guy on his team. Kobe was not "merely" part of a team but an amazingly elite 2nd option who while still young and immature at times (just like MJ at times) still played very clutch and a player I deem irreplaceable on the Lakers 3-peat team. On the other hand, MJ was an amazing player who played in a league that is very tough and talented, a one of a kind talent. A deserved 6-time Finals MVP winner. END.

[Alpha Wolf]

Another quality post...couldn't agree more.


Thanks I don't know why people ignore this ****. We'd start early by going to shaq often, then let Kobe be the closer....If not for Kobe some of those games against the Blazers Spurs & Kings would have been lost.

[juju151111]

:wtf: who says Kobe wasnt the main man? YOU ?

Kobe's put up 20+ PPG consistently in those Laker runs, and this on limited minutes while not even starting every game



Shaq may have been the focal point considering he is a 7 foot dominating force, but without consistent guardplay L.A doesnt have any rings. why doesnt anybody hate on Magic for not winning without Kareem? CUZ THEY REALIZE NOT ONE PERSON WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS.. U NEED AT LEAST 2 GOOD PLAYERS! AND THE GUARD/CENTER COMBO WILL ALWAYS WORK

if Kobe wasn't a great player, Lakers wouldnt have had a three peat. everybody knows this, yet pretend otherwise cuz they dont wanna give Kobe his props for fear that he will keep gettin compared to MJ

besides being a big guy in the paint, Shaq was never clutch and is one of the worst free throw shooters ever. Kobe's maturation on the court is the main reason L.A won rings, and the main reason Kobe stayed and Shaq left. nobody has to admit it, but any REAL basketball fan realizes this.
Facepalm duh you need more then one player to win. (nobody is arguing that) Weare arguing who was the more important player. The Main reason was Shaq get it through your bias full head and no i am not the one who says Shaq was the main man, everyone doesincluding the majority of the LA fans.

[bruceblitz]

Thanks I don't know why people ignore this ****. We'd start early by going to shaq often, then let Kobe be the closer....If not for Kobe some of those games against the Blazers Spurs & Kings would have been lost.
You want to see who the real closers of those teams were?

Let's see who these videos feature:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHkArsWPZbg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yRRng1PWsU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp19op8uK1E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvuKAmLZgkg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mav2iBA1cwo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRBhle2IX4Y

Fisher/Horry > Kobe in the clutch during those title runs

HANDS DOWN

By the way, with Shaq on the court the Lakers didn't have that many close games, they blew out a lot of their opponents, so shove the closer thing up your ass.

[bruceblitz]

Facepalm duh you need more then one player to win. (nobody is arguing that) Weare arguing who was the more important player. The Main reason was Shaq get it through your bias full head and no i am not the one who says Shaq was the main man, everyone doesincluding the majority of the LA fans.
Handle my lightwork bro..... I need a break from these idiots....

[RocketGreatness]

LeBron is a great player arguably the best in the game but How's that Magic in 6 prediction working for you? :roll:

[amfirst]

To be Jordanesque, u need to win or else people would just play for stats instead of winning.

[NBASTATMAN]

[QUOTE=bruceblitz]Jordan had three 35-6-6 playoff seasons (1987, 1990, 1993

[AlphaWolf24]

You ****in Lakers homers and Kobe jocking apostles need to go join a Lakers message board. You people ruin even the slightest bit of a chance of ISH being a legit place for NBA fans to discuss basketball players, teams, and the game itself. Go suck Kobe's dick and maybe you can get him to autograph your armpit.

First of all, you give LeBron a supporting cast like Kobe Bryant has and he would automatically win at least 5 championships as the leader.... just look at this:
Game 1 NBA Finals:
4th quarter? 1-5fg (doesn't really matter/blowout)

Game 2 NBA Finals:
4th quarter? 3 turnovers, 2-5fg

Game 3 NBA Finals:
Kobe misses 13 of his last 17 shots

Game 4 NBA Finals:
Kobe misses 20 shots and only makes 11 in game 4, but his team still wins? Talk about a supporting cast, I mean seriously.
Uh, that's brutal.
LeBron vs Orlando 2009 playoffs...75-154,fg...11-37,3pt..(38.5ppg) 48.7%fg....8.3reb(50reb)...8ast(48ast)....7 blocks(1.16)....7 steals(1.16)

Kobe vs Orlando 2009 playoffs(through 4 games)...48-111,fg...7-20,3pt...(33ppg) 43.2%fg....5.5reb(22reb)....8ast(36ast)....3 blocks(.75)....5 steals(1.25)

To summarize for easier reading:
LeBron vs Orlando 2009 playoffs...38.5ppg 48.7%fg 8.3reb 8ast 1.16blk 1.16stl
Kobe vs Orlando 2009 playoffs..... 33ppg 43.2%fg 5.5reb 8ast .75blk 1.25stl

Kobe 97 playoffs shot 38%
Kobe 98 playoffs shot 40%
Kobe 99 playoffs shot 43%
Kobe 00 playoffs shot 44%
Kobe 01 playoffs shot 47%
Kobe 02 playoffs shot 43%
Kobe 03 playoffs shot 43%
Kobe 04 playoffs shot 41%
Kobe 05 DNP in playoffs, missed playoffs without Shaq
Kobe 06 playoffs shot 49%
Kobe 07 playoffs shot 46%
Kobe 08 playoffs shot 48%
Kobe 09 playoffs shooting 46%

LeBron playoffs:
2006: 30.8ppg 48%fg 8reb 6ast(LeBron's first appearance in the playoffs was better than any appearance Kobe ever had in the playoffs)
2007: 25.1ppg 42%fg 8reb 8ast (inconsistent)
2008: 28.2ppg 41%fg 8reb 8ast (inconsistent)
2009: 35.3ppg 51%fg 9reb 7ast (far better than any playoff run Kobe ever had, or will have)

LeBron's stock is on the way up, Kobe's stock is overrated and a trap buy. If you follow me.


NOW, GO PUT YOUR BUTT PLUGS BACK IN LAKERS FANS, YOUR HERO IS GONNA PLAY TONIGHT....


sorry y'all.....just came across this and :facepalm :lol



move along now nothing to see......

[TheMan]

You really need to be a brain dead teenager to ever compare LBJ to MJ after Bron's total no show vs Dallas in the last Finals.

MJ demanded the ball in crunch time, LBJ wanted nothing to do with the rock and he deservedly got crap for it...

[ThaSwagg3r]

LeBron has been the best player in the NBA since 2004-2005:
.
:oldlol:

[The Iron Fist]

Originally Posted by bruceblitz
You ****in Lakers homers and Kobe jocking apostles need to go join a Lakers message board. You people ruin even the slightest bit of a chance of ISH being a legit place for NBA fans to discuss basketball players, teams, and the game itself. Go suck Kobe's dick and maybe you can get him to autograph your armpit.

First of all, you give LeBron a supporting cast like Kobe Bryant has and he would automatically win at least 5 championships as the leader.

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o240/ThaYungsta/mj-laughing.gif

[Jacks3]

Kobe's 09 run was Jordanesque.

30/6/6/2/57% TS with a Jordan-lite 9% TOV and 27 PER in 23 games.
18 30+ point games
4 40+ point games
34/6/6/2/60% TS in WCF
32.4/7.4/5.8/2.2/54% TS/28 PER in the Finals.

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[pauk]

sorry y'all.....just came across this and :facepalm :lol



move along now nothing to see......

did i miss something? did Lebron get a deep team, coach and so on like Kobe had? :confusedshrug:

But anyways... Wade & Bosh is moooore than enough for Lebron... hang tight for the upcoming season

[pauk]

but.. but.. but.... lebron statpadded/ballhoged... thats why they lost

[Dwade305]

LeBron is a great player arguably the best in the game
:roll: funny seeing this clown trash Lebron all over the forums now

[pauk]

that playoff run was actually MORE than Jordanesque:

http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/7193/perplayoffs.jpg

2nd most productive playoff performance ever....

Hakeem at #1 but that was only 4 games if i remember correctly

[tpols]

that playoff run was actually MORE than Jordanesque:

What the fvck does any of this mean if the motha****a cant win. He puts up 35/9/8 on shit teams and 17/5/5 on good teams..:confusedshrug:

Wheres the balance? Why cant lebron thrive in between? Can he only perform when he's on his own? Anyone can do that.. its when you're expected to make it that shit actually gets hard. Called pressure my dude.. and he cant handle it right now.

[knightfall88]

2nd most productive playoff performance ever....



might help to produce some wins too

[Simple Jack]

What the fvck does any of this mean if the motha****a cant win. He puts up 35/9/8 on shit teams and 17/5/5 on good teams..:confusedshrug:

Wheres the balance? Why cant lebron thrive in between? Can he only perform when he's on his own? Anyone can do that.. its when you're expected to make it that shit actually gets hard. Called pressure my dude.. and he cant handle it right now.


You can do better than that...

[pauk]

What the fvck does any of this mean if the motha****a cant win. He puts up 35/9/8 on shit teams and 17/5/5 on good teams..:confusedshrug:

Wheres the balance? Why cant lebron thrive in between? Can he only perform when he's on his own? Anyone can do that.. its when you're expected to make it that shit actually gets hard. Called pressure my dude.. and he cant handle it right now.

well Jordan didnt win it either in his best Playoff performance in 1989.... :rolleyes:

The ringless Jordan (before he won a ring at the age of 28) was actually MUCH more productive than ANY of his Championship years....

stop trying to act like a ring is not a TEAM accomplishment...

[Vienceslav]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NkuocMIRh8 vs Detroit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NH7ec1XYFgo vs ATL
http://www.vimeo.com/4967304 vs Orlando
Very good mixes, i don

[pauk]

[QUOTE=Vienceslav]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NkuocMIRh8 vs Detroit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NH7ec1XYFgo vs ATL
http://www.vimeo.com/4967304 vs Orlando
Very good mixes, i don

[Lebron23]

His 2012 NBA playoffs run was also Jordanesque.

30.3 ppg on 50 FG%, 9.7 rpg, 5,6 apg, 1.9 spg, 0.7 bpg vs. (a top 5, top 3, No.1 defensive team, and a top 2 offensive team in the finals)

[Lebron23]

Phong just disappeared in this forum after LBJ won his 2nd finals MVP.