Dennis Rodman: 1996 NBA Finals MVP

[Abraham Lincoln]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20ByBuATTyg

Tis time comes when the wise man shan't all but deny the likes of a fellow conterpart as worthy of such majestic prestige and glory, for Dennis Rodman be the true victor and the likes of the 1996 Finals Most Valuable Player. Alas, if not there be the kindred creedence of a tri-MVP shared by the likes of Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, and Dennis Rodman.

[chitownsfinest]

Jordan and Rodman should have been co-mvp's imo.

[mongePR(kb24)]

haha, wow. Those 3 minutes were great. Rebounds, assists, points, and1s

[lilmagicjohnson]

Tis time comes when the wise man shan't all but deny the likes of a fellow conterpart as worthy of such majestic prestige and glory, for Dennis Rodman be the true victor and the likes of the 1996 Finals Most Valuable Player. Alas, if not there be the kindred creedence of a tri-MVP shared by the likes of Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, and Dennis Rodman.
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: You are a wise man abe

[DuMa]

i didnt have to see that segment to know rodman was the MVP. it was the stuff he did to frank brickowski that made him an MVP.

[john_d]

Sometimes i think having rodman on your team... is almost like cheating.

Crowed favorite - check
Rebounds - check
Make the opposing players foul out - check
Get into someone's head - double check

[Fatal9]

7 offensive boards a game in that series! At the very least he was MVP of game 6.

Excellent thread, wise one :applause:

[KG5MVP]

Sometimes i think having rodman on your team... is almost like cheating.

Crowed favorite - check
Rebounds - check
Make the opposing players foul out - check
Get into someone's head - double check

that's kevin garnett

[OneMoreSucka]

George Karl choking yet again :oldlol:

[john_d]

Rodman > Garnett

[NBASTATMAN]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20ByBuATTyg

Tis time comes when the wise man shan't all but deny the likes of a fellow conterpart as worthy of such majestic prestige and glory, for Dennis Rodman be the true victor and the likes of the 1996 Finals Most Valuable Player. Alas, if not there be the kindred creedence of a tri-MVP shared by the likes of Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, and Dennis Rodman.



Rodman was great in that finals.. But so was Kemp...

[Meticode]

Sometimes i think having rodman on your team... is almost like cheating.

Crowed favorite - check
Rebounds - check
Make the opposing players foul out - check
Get into someone's head - double check

I used to love watching him and Malone go at it.

[04mzwach]

A player could be thrown out of the game today for what Kemp did. How things have changed.

[bruceblitz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy4W5siGgcc&feature=channel_page

[john_d]

A player could be thrown out of the game today for what Kemp did. How things have changed.
most players on the nba would break their bodies if kemp did that to them ^^...

[Fatal9]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy4W5siGgcc&feature=channel_page
:oldlol: at highlighting "double-team" when he gets in the paint. Uh, isn't that what's suppose to happen? From MJ down to Kerr, if anyone gets in the paint, you are supposed to provide help. You could highlight these things with Lebron/Kobe/Wade etc too. No one is petty enough to do that though.

[bruceblitz]

Everyone should watch this before commenting in this thread:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy4W5siGgcc&feature=channel_page

[Mikaiel]

Damn Bruce, you're a bigger MJ fan than Bulls fan, that's sad.

[bruceblitz]

Damn Bruce, you're a bigger MJ fan than Bulls fan, that's sad.
How did you come to this conclusion? Jordan is the greatest Chicago Bull of all time, sorry if he's being sold short here.

[Sanity]

Rodman>Jordan

[Alpha Wolf]

Rodman 96' Finals 14.7 rpg :bowdown:

[Duncan21formvp]

http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/sports/1996/06/17/1996-06-17_jax__i_want_to_return.html




Kemp passes Final: Jordan was the best player in the series, but Shawn Kemp was clearly the second best while establishing himself as a major force





Jordan became the first player to win four Final MVP awards. Magic Johnson won the award three times. Jordan received six of a possible 11 votes while Kemp garnered three votes and Rodman two.

"Michael Jordan was the MVP of this Final," Jackson said. "Everybody had their moments. But Michael was consistently the force and factor for us in this series."

[john_d]

http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/sports/1996/06/17/1996-06-17_jax__i_want_to_return.html
Co-MVP Jordan - Rodman

hell ye!

[Alpha Wolf]

funny how Jordan jockers say Kobe's numbers in the Finals during the Lakers 3-peat AREN'T worthy




Michael Jordan 1996 Finals:

27.3 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 4.2 apg, 41% fg, 3 TO

Of course, the league "gave" Jordan the MVP that year ..... talk about double standard

[Mikaiel]

How did you come to this conclusion?

Because you could have explained how valuable Rodman was, how great of a player he was. How well he rebounded during that series. How he's the GOAT rebounder. How he's underrated. But no, instead you just talk about MJ. This is basically a Rodman appreciation thread and you just talk about MJ, like you're on a mission to let the board know he's the GOAT. Well, we already know that, thanks.

[Duncan21formvp]

funny how Jordan jockers say Kobe's numbers in the Finals during the Lakers 3-peat AREN'T worthy




Michael Jordan 1996 Finals:

27.3 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 4.2 apg, 41% fg, 3 TO

Of course, the league "gave" Jordan the MVP that year ..... talk about double standard


Maybe because he actually averaged the most points in the series. In fact Kobe during the 3 peat never averaged the most ppg in any of those finals series and none of his series did he average as much.

And a guy who averages 15 ppg on 37% is not a finals mvp.

And why the **** are you bringing Kobe's name into this?

[OldSchoolBBall]

Rodman didn't even do a great job on Kemp that series. "All" he did was do a great job on the boards, particularly the offensive boards. I don't see how you can give FMVP to a guy just because he rebounded fantastically and did basically nothing else.

[juju151111]

funny how Jordan jockers say Kobe's numbers in the Finals during the Lakers 3-peat AREN'T worthy




Michael Jordan 1996 Finals:

27.3 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 4.2 apg, 41% fg, 3 TO

Of course, the league "gave" Jordan the MVP that year ..... talk about double standard
Whats MJ Finals stats 91-93?? before he was 34 years old pah/wolf? LOL Also in the finals in 96-98 MJ would put up Kobe like finals stats, but he still came through in the clutch. lol KB can't even come up in the clutch more then once every 2 finals. He was only clutch in 1 gm of 09 finalsand that was gm 1.

[Alpha Wolf]

Maybe because he actually averaged the most points in the series. In fact Kobe during the 3 peat never averaged the most ppg in any of those finals series and none of his series did he average as much.

And a guy who averages 15 ppg on 37% is not a finals mvp.

And why the **** are you bringing Kobe's name into this?


2001

24 ppg
7 rpg
5 apg
41% fg


2002

26 ppg
5 rpg
5 apg
51% fg



double standards !!

[john_d]

Gezzz people taking this thread to damn seriously.

1. No is really saying rodman was MVP.
all we are saying he was really good in that finals and deserve recognition. thus making this a rodman appreciation thread.
2. all those Rodman > Jordan is just to make those jordan groupies blow their load.

[Black Magic]

lol Rodman was a fn beast

[Duncan21formvp]

2001

24 ppg
7 rpg
5 apg
41% fg


2002

26 ppg
5 rpg
5 apg
51% fg



double standards !!


Did Kobe have the highest efficiency in the series? Did he average the most points?

Did any of those finals rank in the top 50? Nope not one of them. In fact his teammate had 3 in the top 15 alone.

[Alpha Wolf]

Whats MJ Finals stats 91-93?? before he was 34 years old pah/wolf? LOL Also in the finals in 96-98 MJ would put up Kobe like finals stats, but he still came through in the clutch. lol KB can't even come up in the clutch more then once every 2 finals. He was only clutch in 1 gm of 09 finalsand that was gm 1.

hmmm...intresting point......

so then why are 3 of Kobe's rings invalid because of his numbers but 3 of Jordan's aren't

[Mikaiel]

all we are saying he was really good in that finals and deserve recognition.

Kemp : 23.3 points, 55.1 FG%.

[eliteballer]

lol...Kemp destroyed Rodman in that series.

[Duncan21formvp]

hmmm...intresting point......

so then why are 3 of Kobe's rings invalid because of his numbers but 3 of Jordan's aren't

Because he didn't win as the best on the team and ended up with no finals mvps. He finished 12th, 9th and 5th in MVP voting those years he won the titles while Shaq finished 1st, 3rd and 3rd. You aren't going to get much credit when the other guy finishes ahead of you in MVP voting and when they have better playoff performances and especially finals performances. It isn't that hard to figure out dude. You are just being an a*** now.

[john_d]

Kemp : 23.3 points, 55.1 FG%.
now imagine some else guarding kemp... no one would have been able to stop him.. he would average 30+

if rodman wasn't there bulls would have lost

[Alpha Wolf]

Did Kobe have the highest efficiency in the series? Did he average the most points?

Did any of those finals rank in the top 50? Nope not one of them. In fact his teammate had 3 in the top 15 alone.



Is this what your talking about? http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2008/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=FinalsPerformances-1

Two of Shaq's three finals MVPs were won while playing head to head against Rik Smits and Todd MacCulloch.


Therefore, there's no way in hell those rank among the top 15 finals performances ever


Granted, it's not Shaq's fault who the opponent was, but he might was well have been playing against a couple of high school sophomores given the quality of Smits' and MacCulloch's play


The 2001 final was against Dikembe Mutombo, who was on the downside of his career

And what the hell is this "finals since the merger crap"? Were there no championship series before 1977? Did the NBA and ESPN start at the same time?



Shaq wouldn't have 3 of the top 15 finals performances of all time if ESPN would actually consider finals history

[Duncan21formvp]

now imagine some else guarding kemp... no one would have been able to stop him.. he would average 30+

if rodman wasn't there bulls would have lost

Not really. Certain guys Rodman could not handle. Kemp was one, but also Dale Davis and Antonio Davis were other guys. Those guys tore Rodman up.

[Duncan21formvp]

Is this what your talking about? http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2008/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=FinalsPerformances-1

Two of Shaq's three finals MVPs were won while playing head to head against Rik Smits and Todd MacCulloch.


Therefore, there's no way in hell those rank among the top 15 finals performances ever


Granted, it's not Shaq's fault who the opponent was, but he might was well have been playing against a couple of high school sophomores given the quality of Smits' and MacCulloch's play


The 2001 final was against Dikembe Mutombo, who was on the downside of his career

And what the hell is this "finals since the merger crap"? Were there no championship series before 1977? Did the NBA and ESPN start at the same time?



Shaq wouldn't have 3 of the top 15 finals performances of all time if ESPN would actually consider finals history

That even speaks worse of Kobe. The fact it counted from 1978 till now and he didn't even have a top 50 performance.

[john_d]

Not really. Certain guys Rodman could not handle. Kemp was one, but also Dale Davis and Antonio Davis were other guys. Those guys tore Rodman up.
you don't get it. there is no such thing as stopping players like kemp.

rodman did his thing by limiting kemp touches on the ball and getting him out of the paint.

once kemp got the ball in the paint. there is no one the that bulls team that could have stopped him. no one on that bulls team could have defended that beast.

[Snoop_Cat]

Ben Wallace should've been MVP/ Co-MVP when they won in my opinion :(.
Defense wins you championships, not MVPs.

Why Rodman should be ni the HOF though:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8uRa8k746g&feature=related

[Mikaiel]

now imagine some else guarding kemp... no one would have been able to stop him.. he would average 30+

if rodman wasn't there bulls would have lost

Regular season numbers : 19.6 points, 56.1 FG%

1st round : 17.0 points, 50.0 FG%

2nd round : 21.8 points, 50.0 FG%

WCF : 20.0 points, 69.0 FG%

[nnn123]

Dennis Rodman and Frank Brickowski :roll:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htRsHwtsWic

[Kebab Stall]

I love Rodman. Easily my favourite player of all time. I just love how he celebrates after ever made basket. Throwing his arms up in the air, whilst running back down the court. I have never seen any other player so enthusiastic after scoring a simple a layup.

[momo]

Nice thread. I remember someone other than jordo winning it, but I did think the worm was deserving at the time. He gives them SO MANY extra possessions/shots.

[OldSchoolBBall]

I love Rodman. Easily my favourite player of all time. I just love how he celebrates after ever made basket. Throwing his arms up in the air, whilst running back down the court. I have never seen any other player so enthusiastic after scoring a simple a layup.

When you average 4 ppg on 45% shooting, you have to appreciate what you can... :D

[samballs]

Rodman was so fun to watch that series, Kemp was never the same...

[Alpha Wolf]

Did Kobe have the highest efficiency in the series? Did he average the most points?

Did any of those finals rank in the top 50? Nope not one of them. In fact his teammate had 3 in the top 15 alone.



GTFOH

only reason MJ averaged more than Kobe is cause he got to gun from the second he stepped into the league

u haters always claim the only reason Kobe got his first 3 rings was cause of Shaq

well why don't you acknowledge that Kobe's numbers suffered cause for 7 years he shared the ball with another guy who scored 25+ ppg perennially.



If Kobe was gunning like Mike from the second he came into the league he would be destroying Mike's numbers.


Kobe scored 81 pts in a game.......MJ never did that

Kobe scored 50+ pts in 4 straight games......MJ never did that

Kobe has countless games where he had 50+ pts at the end of 3 qtrs and didn't play the 4th.......MJ never did that


Kobe >>> Mike


and by the end of his career he'll have more rings


Kobe has 4 rings and is only 30 yrs old.......cry haters :cheers:

[mentallooser]

Rodman was 6'6, if someone 6'6 today got boards like him and managed to not be nuts we'd hail him as the goat. People forget Rodman, but that man was so great at what he did.

[Soundwave]

The NBA really needs to rename that trophy as "playoff MVP". Just having a Finals MVP is stupid.

[ThaRegul8r]

The NBA really needs to rename that trophy as "playoff MVP". Just having a Finals MVP is stupid.

So you think the Super Bowl MVP and World Series MVP are stupid too, right?

[Soundwave]

So you think the Super Bowl MVP and World Series MVP are stupid too, right?

Yeah because what happens if you have player A who plays lights out in rounds 1-3 to get you to the final and then you face a weaker opponent in the World Series/Superbowl and player B just happens to play a little better in that series/game?

Player A would be the one more responsible for the championship in that case but Player B ends up winning the MVP.

The NHL gets it right, the MVP is culminative for the entire playoff rounds, not just the Stanley Cup final.

[ThaRegul8r]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20ByBuATTyg

Tis time comes when the wise man shan't all but deny the likes of a fellow conterpart as worthy of such majestic prestige and glory, for Dennis Rodman be the true victor and the likes of the 1996 Finals Most Valuable Player. Alas, if not there be the kindred creedence of a tri-MVP shared by the likes of Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, and Dennis Rodman.

There was talk at the time about Rodman possibly being MVP. Seattle coach George Karl said,

[ThaRegul8r]

Yeah because what happens if you have player A who plays lights out in rounds 1-3 to get you to the final and then you face a weaker opponent in the World Series/Superbowl and player B just happens to play a little better in that series/game?

Player A would be the one more responsible for the championship in that case but Player B ends up winning the MVP.

The NHL gets it right, the MVP is culminative for the entire playoff rounds, not just the Stanley Cup final.

Just wanted to make sure you were consistent, because I never hear anyone who complains about there not being a playoff MVP say, "Well, wait a minute, baseball and football have always done that too."

But baseball have LCS MVPs in addition to the World Series MVP.

[D-nugz]

GTFOH

only reason MJ averaged more than Kobe is cause he got to gun from the second he stepped into the league

u haters always claim the only reason Kobe got his first 3 rings was cause of Shaq

well why don't you acknowledge that Kobe's numbers suffered cause for 7 years he shared the ball with another guy who scored 25+ ppg perennially.



If Kobe was gunning like Mike from the second he came into the league he would be destroying Mike's numbers.


Kobe scored 81 pts in a game.......MJ never did that

Kobe scored 50+ pts in 4 straight games......MJ never did that

Kobe has countless games where he had 50+ pts at the end of 3 qtrs and didn't play the 4th.......MJ never did that


Kobe >>> Mike


and by the end of his career he'll have more rings


Kobe has 4 rings and is only 30 yrs old.......cry haters :cheers:


Dude shutup with your kobe crap, this thread isn't about Kobe, 500+ posts on how much u love kobe....

MJ>>>kobe deal with it regardless of how many rings kobe ends up with, it will always be MJ>>kobe, so many dumb ass ppl on this forum.

on to the thread, Rodman was beast but kemp was unstoppable anyway and did a decent job.

[AirJordan23]

Shawn Kemp was the best player in that series and this is coming from a MJ fan. However, Rodman didn't deserve finals MVP after the way Kemp abused him. MJ was the finals MVP of that series. Sure, Rodman's rebounding especially on the offensive end was key and helped them reset. But, that wasn't enough to overcome what MJ did.

[Shep]

pippen was mvp of the '96 playoffs

[Manute for Ever!]

How do you go from hating the competition:

http://www.mymj.nl/michaeljordan/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/jordan-vs-pistons-1991-150x150.jpg

to joining them?

http://thebsreport.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/rodman.jpg

Still, my favourite Rodman moment came from that series (the kids here probably won't remember):

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/55/1frankbtp1.jpg

[Showtime]

I miss players like Detlef.

[ThaRegul8r]

Shawn Kemp was the best player in that series and this is coming from a MJ fan.

There was talk going on at the time about whether Kemp should go down as the second player in history to win from the losing team since MJ didn't have a typical MJ series.

[OldSchoolBBall]

pippen was mvp of the '96 playoffs

What a joke. :oldlol:

[ProfessorMurder]

Still, my favourite Rodman moment came from that series (the kids here probably won't remember):

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/55/1frankbtp1.jpg

:oldlol: A hilarious moment.

Here's the clip of it. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htRsHwtsWic)

[jstern]

I remember thinking that Rodman should have gotten it, but I probably wasn't very objective, since I hated Jordan and I was pretty much basing it on the final game.

Brickowski is the perfect name for a basketball player.

[Shep]

What a joke. :oldlol:
lulwut? :roll:

[OldSchoolBBall]

lulwut? :roll:

Yes, because I'm sure Pippen's 16.9 pts/8.5 reb/5.9 ast/39.0% FG/47.3% TS as a second option is somehow better than Jordan's 30.7 pts/4.9 reb/4.1 ast/45.9% FG/56.4% TS as the focus of every defense they faced. :oldlol:

[Roundball_Rock]

pippen was mvp of the '96 playoffs

I think you meant 98' when Scottie Pippen was the #1 reason the Bulls defense wreaked havoc on the Indiana and Utah offenses, although Pippen's supporting cast helped defensively, especially Ron Harper's man-to-man defense on Stockton and Rodman. For all this talk about "options" Jordan was the #4 option on defense in the Utah series. The real work was given to Pippen, Rodman and Harper. Jordan wasn't even given the lead defensive role among guards on his team in the finals yet he made the all-Defensive first team that year. :roll:

[Shep]

Yes, because I'm sure Pippen's 16.9 pts/8.5 reb/5.9 ast/39.0% FG/47.3% TS as a second option is somehow better than Jordan's 30.7 pts/4.9 reb/4.1 ast/45.9% FG/56.4% TS as the focus of every defense they faced. :oldlol:
ofcourse 16.9ppg/8.5rpg/5.9apg/2.6spg/.9bpg/2.28topg is better than 30.7ppg/4.9rpg/4.1apg/1.8spg/0.3bpg/2.33topg :roll:

I think you meant 98'
no, jordan outplayed pippen in the '98 playoffs

[momo]

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/55/1frankbtp1.jpg

God, the worm was priceless. :cheers:

[AK47DR91]

Rodman, the greatest offensively-challenged player of all-time!!!

[Calabis]

funny how Jordan jockers say Kobe's numbers in the Finals during the Lakers 3-peat AREN'T worthy




Michael Jordan 1996 Finals:

27.3 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 4.2 apg, 41% fg, 3 TO

Of course, the league "gave" Jordan the MVP that year ..... talk about double standard

LMAO that stat line is better than Kobe's career numbers in the finals

[eliteballer]

Uhhh...Kemp destroying Rodman and being the best player in that series makes this a no no:no:

[Calabis]

Is this what your talking about? http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2008/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=FinalsPerformances-1

Two of Shaq's three finals MVPs were won while playing head to head against Rik Smits and Todd MacCulloch.


Therefore, there's no way in hell those rank among the top 15 finals performances ever


Granted, it's not Shaq's fault who the opponent was, but he might was well have been playing against a couple of high school sophomores given the quality of Smits' and MacCulloch's play


The 2001 final was against Dikembe Mutombo, who was on the downside of his career

And what the hell is this "finals since the merger crap"? Were there no championship series before 1977? Did the NBA and ESPN start at the same time?



Shaq wouldn't have 3 of the top 15 finals performances of all time if ESPN would actually consider finals history

Wow Dude and who were the mega studs Kobe faced, while with Shaq?
34 year old Reggie Miller
Eric Snow/Mckie
Kittles

[Manute for Ever!]

:oldlol: A hilarious moment.

Here's the clip of it. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htRsHwtsWic)

:roll: :roll: :roll: Man, that was awesome. I've got tears in my eyes from laughing, watching that again. Just the smirk on the Worm's face cracks me up.

Here is a short piece on the lead up to the incident, Game 1. George Karl was pissed!:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Upoao1L1dSo&NR=1

Having been a Bulls fan since the late eighties, I was mortified when I found out we were going to sign Rodman; despite the fact that I loved his game, it was engrained in me to hate Pistons players. Add that to the past history between him and Jordan and his own demons (most know about the 'sitting in the truck with a loaded shotgun' incident, but it is described in pretty decent detail in the book on the Pistons '89 championship team, 'The Franchise' https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/21R9F6T3R3L._SL110_.jpg).

Turned out to be an absolute stroke of genius. Except when he kicked the camera man, who in turn made soccer players look like men of steel.

[OldSchoolBBall]

ofcourse 16.9ppg/8.5rpg/5.9apg/2.6spg/.9bpg/2.28topg is better than 30.7ppg/4.9rpg/4.1apg/1.8spg/0.3bpg/2.33topg :roll:

no, jordan outplayed pippen in the '98 playoffs

So 2 extra rebounds and 2 extra assists outweighs 14 more ppg and a staggering difference in efficiency, to say nothing of the fact that Jordan was the focus of every defense while Pippen was the second option (and hence should put up better, not worse, efficiency). I mean, Pip shot 39% FG/47% TS that postseason -- do you have any conception of how atrocious that is? And it's not like he was averaging 25 ppg, either.

Again, it's not even close. MJ was easily the best player for Chicago that postseason.

[Calabis]

I think you meant 98' when Scottie Pippen was the #1 reason the Bulls defense wreaked havoc on the Indiana and Utah offenses, although Pippen's supporting cast helped defensively, especially Ron Harper's man-to-man defense on Stockton and Rodman. For all this talk about "options" Jordan was the #4 option on defense in the Utah series. The real work was given to Pippen, Rodman and Harper. Jordan wasn't even given the lead defensive role among guards on his team in the finals yet he made the all-Defensive first team that year. :roll:


Maybe you should try watching the Indiana Series. Harper,Pippen and Jordan.....constantly switched between Miller, Rose, Mullin and Jackson(basically grabbed whoever came into their area down the court)....lmao...funny how people say shit on this board yet can't remember a damn thing about the series, in case you can't remember it was Jordan guarding Miller when he pushed off and hit a game winner.

Also reference your All First Team Defense...last time I checked Kobe is getting the same treatment at a much younger age. Ariza and Artest have done all the dirty work, yet who is getting the First Team Defense accolades?

[Shep]

So 2 extra rebounds and 2 extra assists outweighs 14 more ppg and a staggering difference in efficiency
ofcourse not, but dominating mj in every category imaginable sans scoring outweighs his outscoring pippen by 10, along with being the best defender on the team by far

[Calabis]

ofcourse 16.9ppg/8.5rpg/5.9apg/2.6spg/.9bpg/2.28topg is better than 30.7ppg/4.9rpg/4.1apg/1.8spg/0.3bpg/2.33topg :roll:

no, jordan outplayed pippen in the '98 playoffs

WTF are you smoking?? Its obvious you didn't even watch that playoff run, because if you did then you would realize Pippen was horrible against the Knicks, I can recall that right off the top of my head, he sucked in the Finals too, Orlando he was decent......besides Heat series, I can't remember shit he did that was MVP worthy. But since you need stats

Pippen:
Heat: 19.67pts,56%FG,7.67Rebs,7Ast,3Stls,1.67Blk
Knicks: 15.6pts,33FG%,8.2Rebs, 5.2Ast, 3.2Stl, 0.2Blk
Orlando: 18.5pts,44FG%,7.25Rebs, 7Ast, 2Stl,0.25Blk
Sonics: 15.67pts,34%FG, 8.17Rebs,5.33Ast,2.33Stl,1.33Blk

Jordan:
Heat: 30pts,52%FG,3.67Rebs,2.67Ast,1.67Stl,0.33Blk
Knicks:36pts, 44%FG,4.8Rebs,4.4Ast,1.8Stl,0.2Blk
Orlando: 29.5pts, 49%FG,5.5Rebs,4.75Ast,2.25Stl,0.75Blk
Sonics: 27.3pts, 41%FG, 5.3Rebs,4.2Ast,1.7Stl,0.17blk

If I give Pippen 2pts for every REB,STL(over Jordan Avg)
Heat: 31pts
Knicks:27pts
Orlando:22.5pts
Sonics: 23 pts

One game better than MJ's avg, and who the hell are we kidding, we know not every rebound and steal Pip got resulted in points

If you want to go off actual pts contributed(Avg and Ast:2 points awarded)

Heat: Pip: 33ppg MJ:34ppg
Knicks: Pip: 25ppg MJ: 44ppg
Orlando: Pip: 32ppg MJ: 37ppg
Sonics: Pip: 25ppg MJ: 35ppg

Pippen was MVP of Heat series and that is about it.



Also, reference Rodman MVP, can someone please explain too me which one is better

7.5ppg, 49FG%,14.67rebs(6.83 OReb),2.5ast, 0.83Stls, 0.17sts

18.57ppg, 48FG%,11.57rebs(5 OReb), 3.71ast, 0.71Stls 2.57blks

[Kobe 4 The Win]

Rodman was one of my favorite players ever. I really miss seeing him play.

[Shep]

pippen was the mvp of the heat series and the sonics series, jordan was the mvp of the knicks series and the magic series. however, the manor in which pippen destroyed jordan in the heat series would be the overall difference in this instance.

pippen: 19.7ppg, 11.3rpg, 7apg, 3spg, 1.67bpg, 3.33topg
to
jordan: 30ppg, 3.7rpg, 2.7apg, 1.67spg, .33bpg, 1.33topg

[Solid Snake]

I always waited for that one last run in the NBA from him that just never happened.

I can't remember what string of events led him getting cut from the Lakers, then the Mavericks.

[Kobe_6/8]

7 offensive boards a game...damn....

[Manny98]

"Jordan will get his points, but Rodman's rebounds, that was the difference."

"His offensive rebounds at the end killed us," Detlef Schrempf said. "He kept them in the game."


"As you evaluate the series," said Karl, "Dennis Rodman won two games. We could control Dennis Rodman for four games, but Game 2 and tonight, (19 rebounds, 11 offensive after 20 rebounds, 11 offensive in Game 2) Dennis Rodman was the reason they were successful. We controlled Michael Jordan most of the series, but they got extra pressure."


There you have it the Coach of the Seattle Supersonics literally saying that Rodman was the MVP :lol

[Manny98]

7 offensive boards a game...damn....
Best rebounder ever :bowdown:

[Da_Realist]

1996 NBA Finals

Michael Jordan: 27.3 PPG (42% FG, 32% 3PT, 84% FT), 5.3 RPG, 4.2 APG, 1.7 SPG, 0.2 BPG
Dennis Rodman: 7.5 PPG (49% FG, 58% FG), 14.7 RPG (6.8 ORPG), 2.5 APG, 0.8 SPG, 0.2 BPG

Of course there’s more to the game than a stat sheet, but Jordan averaged 20 more PPG, Rodman averaged 10 more RPG, and Jordan had more APG and SPG by considerable margins.

The reason why Jordan shouldn’t have won
His numbers weren’t as dominant as they have been in his other finals. Gary Payton played him very well in the final 3 games of the series, holding him to 23.7 PPG on 37% shooting. This was the first time we’ve really seen Jordan struggle on this magnitude. We had seen him lose before, but not looking this uncomfortable. It was eye-opening, but because it showed vulnerability, it showed how great his performances were prior to the 96 finals.

The reasons why Rodman shouldn’t have won
We saw the offensive rebounding numbers from Rodman, but I mentioned before how the Sonics were doubling off him. It was his inability to score efficiently, even when open, which caused the Bulls offense to stall so bad. So yes, Rodman did create a lot of second chances for Chicago, but if we’re being honest, he was also the reason the Bulls were missing so many shots too. Had he been a more reliable scoring option, then Seattle can’t double as much, and if that’s the case, does Jordan shoot 37% in the final 3 games if he’s getting single-coverage by the Sonics? I think not, especially when you considered what Jordan did the very next time they played, and Rodman missed the game due to suspension.

Chicago at Seattle Feb 02, 1996

Michael Jordan: 45 points (19/ 28 FG, 2/3 3PT, 5/6 FT), 7 rebounds, 3 assists, 1 steal

Now I know it’s not a finals game, and it’s a small sample, but it’s worth noting what happened with essentially the same rosters, without Rodman.
The other reason why Rodman shouldn’t have taken the finals MVP is Games 4 and 5. The Bulls were annihilated, and let's look at that closely. Shawn Kemp, the guy that Rodman was assigned to, exploded for 25 points on 12/17 FG, and 11 rebounds in game 4. Game 5 was another Sonic blowout, and Kemp had 22 points on 8/16 shooting along with 10 rebounds. This led to the Bulls forcing to collapse at times on Kemp when he was isolated with Rodman, and led to clean looks for Hawkins and Payton from the perimeter, and opened up their offense. Not all of Kemp’s points came at the expense of Rodman, as (in another crazy coaching move), Phil Jackson opted to put Luc Longley on the explosive Shawn Kemp. This should have been Rodman’s role, but Rodman was far too prone to foul trouble, so he’s not getting a pass here for his lack of discipline.

Continued below...

Great analysis from More Than 6 Rings - Michael Jordan's Legacy: The case for Jordan being the greatest NBA player of all time (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08798HDFH/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=matthew+damian&qid=1587306626&s=digital-text&sr=1-1) by Matthew Damian

(Edited to fit within word-constraint limit)

[Da_Realist]

Continued from ^^^


Who should have won then?
It’s still Jordan. If you look in horror at Jordan’s shooting numbers, scroll down to the Bulls second-leading scorer, Scottie Pippen:

1996 NBA Finals
15.7 PPG (34% FG, 23% 3PT, 71% FT), 8.2 RPG, 5.3 APG, 2.3 SPG, 1.3 BPG

Outside of the scoring numbers, this is pretty good production. Unfortunately for Pip, the point I am making is how badly he struggled in scoring. Look at those shooting numbers, and that’s for the entire series. Let’s examine his scoring in the final 3 games (just like we did for M.J.)

Scottie Pippen in games 4, 5 and 6 of the 1996 Finals
13.3 PPG (29% FG, 22% 3PT, 75% FT), 9 RPG, 5.7 APG, 2 SPG, 1 BPG

If you winced at Jordan’s shooting numbers during that stretch, you might need a bucket nearby after reading Pippen’s. Now after all this info, I will still accept the fact that the Bulls wouldn’t have won in 96 without Rodman (especially after the job he did on Shaq in the conference finals), but that doesn’t mean he was the most valuable. I’ll go far enough to say the Bulls might not have won without Rodman. But when you factor in how Rodman hurt the Bulls offense and limited their ability to score, you can make an argument that they would have still won that series. On the other hand, when you look at the lack of offensive firepower they had, and how badly their other 2 scoring options (Kukoc and Pippen) played in that series, Chicago would not have even been competitive without Jordan, and that’s why he was (deservedly so) Finals MVP.

Great analysis from More Than 6 Rings - Michael Jordan's Legacy: The case for Jordan being the greatest NBA player of all time (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08798HDFH/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=matthew+damian&qid=1587306626&s=digital-text&sr=1-1) by Matthew Damian

(Edited to fit within word-constraint limit)

[SouBeachTalents]

Fcking Jordan stans, most insecure nikka's on the board :oldlol: Just the idea that a teammate of his had an argument for FMVP sends them rummaging through decade old threads

[Uncle Drew]

The argument for Rodman not winning Finals MVP is a regular season game in February? What is that?

[Uncle Drew]

By the way, it ain't even correct. The Bulls played the Lakers on February 2nd, 1996. Rodman did miss a game against the Sonics, in November '95. A game the Bulls lost and Jordan shot 32%.

[FireDavidKahn]

Jordan did his best to choke away that series and failed

[FromDowntown]

I think you meant 98' when Scottie Pippen was the #1 reason the Bulls defense wreaked havoc on the Indiana and Utah offenses, although Pippen's supporting cast helped defensively, especially Ron Harper's man-to-man defense on Stockton and Rodman. For all this talk about "options" Jordan was the #4 option on defense in the Utah series. The real work was given to Pippen, Rodman and Harper. Jordan wasn't even given the lead defensive role among guards on his team in the finals yet he made the all-Defensive first team that year. :roll:

The facts come out. MJ was a slightly above average defender

[FromDowntown]

pippen was the mvp of the heat series and the sonics series, jordan was the mvp of the knicks series and the magic series. however, the manor in which pippen destroyed jordan in the heat series would be the overall difference in this instance.

pippen: 19.7ppg, 11.3rpg, 7apg, 3spg, 1.67bpg, 3.33topg
to
jordan: 30ppg, 3.7rpg, 2.7apg, 1.67spg, .33bpg, 1.33topg

Damn

[FireDavidKahn]

pippen was the mvp of the heat series and the sonics series, jordan was the mvp of the knicks series and the magic series. however, the manor in which pippen destroyed jordan in the heat series would be the overall difference in this instance.

pippen: 19.7ppg, 11.3rpg, 7apg, 3spg, 1.67bpg, 3.33topg
to
jordan: 30ppg, 3.7rpg, 2.7apg, 1.67spg, .33bpg, 1.33topg

He isn't called Tree Trunk for nothing. :bowdown:

[Drygon]

Michael Jordan is clearly the GOAT, but Dennis Rodman was completely robbed from winning FMVP 1996.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_qUoOBBlA0&t

[Da_Realist]

By the way, it ain't even correct. The Bulls played the Lakers on February 2nd, 1996. Rodman did miss a game against the Sonics, in November '95. A game the Bulls lost and Jordan shot 32%.

Typo. The game was Feb 02, 1997

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199702020SEA.html

[Roundball_Rock]

Fcking Jordan stans, most insecure nikka's on the board :oldlol: Just the idea that a teammate of his had an argument for FMVP sends them rummaging through decade old threads

The insecurity is only getting worse as the years go by. Even MJ himself was insecure enough to release the documentary after the Cavs beat the 73 win Warriors.

[Da_Realist]

Fcking Jordan stans, most insecure nikka's on the board :oldlol: Just the idea that a teammate of his had an argument for FMVP sends them rummaging through decade old threads

I was given a free copy of the ebook last night and I am reading through it now. He made a pretty good point about that series that I don't think I've heard before so I posted it (with his permission). No need to get your panties in a bunch.

[Lebron23]

Michael Jordan is clearly the GOAT, but Dennis Rodman was completely robbed from winning FMVP 1996.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_qUoOBBlA0&t

I agree. Rodman was the most impactful player in that series. Jordan was shooting bricks in that series.

[Duncan21formvp]

Rodman was the MVP of the series soo much that he allowed Shawn Kemp to put up his best series ever at his position.:oldlol:

[Duncan21formvp]

Typo. The game was Feb 02, 1997

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199702020SEA.html

Because of a suspension and then losing the starting center in games 6 and 7. Imagine Jordan getting Laimbeer or Mahorn suspended to try to win the series? Wouldn't had happened in that era.

[GimmeThat]

the old argument that my assist can't count if the person I passed the ball to can't make the shot

[SATAN]

Jordan fans I know in real life talk like Jordan was the only man competing against the Sonics. I think some people who watch basketball don't even watch it for the love of the sport. Hell, some people who want to tell you about how good or bad players and teams are have never played a ****ing game of basketball in their life. Worshiping Jordan has almost seemed like a fashion statement for so many people. It's utterly absurd to be honest. Hard to take seriously at all.

Rodman played very well in this series anyway

[FromDowntown]

Jordan fans I know in real life talk like Jordan was the only man competing against the Sonics. I think some people who watch basketball don't even watch it for the love of the sport. Hell, some people who want to tell you about how good or bad players and teams are have never played a ****ing game of basketball in their life. Worshiping Jordan has almost seemed like a fashion statement for so many people. It's utterly absurd to be honest. Hard to take seriously at all.

Rodman played very well in this series anyway
Casuals stick to ESPN highlights and buying shoes. But we know.