Michael Jackson vs Elvis Presley Who Will Be Remembered as the Bigger Icon?

[O.J A 6'4Mamba]

I say MJ just because there was more media around when he did his thing. He appealed to every race. Talked about peace etc etc. First black man to get his music played on MTV. Has been making hits since he was 6 years old


I think everybody from then on can associate Michael Jackson with either Thriller, the moonwalk, his music, his dancing, even the craziness (literally).

This is no knock on Presley he made Jailhouse Rock, All Shook Up ( my fav).
I was part of the generation where I couldn't witness both of them in their primes. I find it hard to listen to some Elvis music if i am not in the right mood. MJ though has all types slow, fast, sad, Bad ( literally), peace etc

[phoenix18]

MJ is a bigger icon. I mean the man even ****ed elvis' daughter. What more can you ask?

[thejumpa]

MJ is a bigger icon. I mean the man even ****ed elvis' daughter. What more can you ask?

:roll:

Someone said earlier that MJ had already surpassed Elvis in peoples minds when he was alive. It took a death for Elvis' career to be elevated...

[Brujesino]

MJ is a bigger icon. I mean the man even ****ed elvis' daughter. What more can you ask?

that alone makes

mj>elvis

[i seen hippos]

I wouldn't be surprised if Elvis is more popular/talked about in America 50 years from now. White America can only give a crap about a black man for so long. He can never reach the iconic Ruth-like level Elvis has within parts white America.

Worldwide it will always be MJ.

[blasian]

Its hard to gauge this objectively, because Elvis and MJ appealed to two completely different generations. majority of the people on this board weren't around when Elvis was in his prime so its hard for us to truly assess his impact.

I personally like MJ's music way more than Elvis's, but I don't have enough knowledge of the man himself to make a statement as to who was the bigger icon

[Showtime]

Jackson, simply because of his global impact was greater than Elvis. Not that Elvis wasn't huge, but Jackson is probably the most beloved and famous international superstar of all time. He tapped into fanbases of every culture, and I can't say the same of Elvis.

[oh the horror]

I think MJ due to him appealing to all different colors.

Elvis isnt getting playtime in london, or Africa, like Mike is.

[lakers_forever]

3 greatest icons in music history in my book:

1.Beatles
2.Elvis
3.MJ

Elvis inspired Beatles, Stones, Dylan and rock bands/artits to follow.
Beatles inspired almost every great rock band to come after them.
MJ was a great artist, but today artists who claimed he influenced them are all crap, like Britney Spears, Timberlake and most hip hop crap.

[Gundress]

Micahel Jackson hands down.

Mike has influenced EVERYONE! Black people wasn't ****ing with that music like that....But everybody(any race) ****ed with Michael Jackson. Elvis is a thief.

[Thechosen1]

elvis stole songs though..and mike made his own....i think Mike is the biggest Icon ever IMO

[Kebab Stall]

Jackson appealed to so many people world wide, where as Elvis only appealed to a much narrower base. Elvis is goint to be known for how much he influenced others, whereas MJ is going to be remembered moreso for his actual work.

[blasian]

3 greatest icons in music history in my book:

1.Beatles
2.Elvis
3.MJ

Elvis inspired Beatles, Stones, Dylan and rock bands/artits to follow.
Beatles inspired almost every great rock band to come after them.
MJ was a great artist, but today artists who claimed he influenced them are all crap, like Britney Spears, Timberlake and most hip hop crap.

Pretty sure Chuck Berry and Muddy Waters were more of an inspiration for the Stones than Elvis

[Killer_Instinct]

Anything other than MJ is bs.

[Lebron23]

Michael Jackson cause he was a Global Phenomenon, and one of the greatest entertainers of all time.

Thriller is still the biggest selling album of all time.

[Atomic DOG]

People are not answering the question properly. It does not ask who has the broader or more populous fanbase or legacy. If that were the case, you could argue that Britney Spears is "bigger" than Elvis ever was based on global popularity and product advertisement etc.. Mike will always have a broader/more global fan base and than Elvis.


But the question is who will be remembered as the BIGGER icon.

The bigger icon was Elvis. The answer is because he basically introduced and changed the course of an entire genre of music to the world. If it was not for Elvis, the music landscape between 1950 and 2009 may look COMPLETELY different than how it looks today. I think people underestimate this.

It is a close call, depending how you look at the quesiton. But in terms of the course of history, Elvis is a greater figure than MJ.


As an overall entertaining talent, however, MJ looks down on everyone. Of course, you can bet that if Jackson had been white all along, black people would marginalize and discredit him every bit as much they do Elvis.

[Norcaliblunt]

They both were losers and the most overrated things to come out of pop culture. Screw them both.

[Richie2k6]

They both were losers and the most overrated things to come out of pop culture. Screw them both.
You're so cool. I wish I could be a rebel and be as cool as you.

[Norcaliblunt]

You're so cool. I wish I could be a rebel and be as cool as you.

Homeboy if you like a child molesting freak and a music stealing redneck then IDK what to tell you.

Aside from about 5 songs from each of these guys, who gives a crap about them. They both are the most overrated artists of all time. Hands down.

[Norcaliblunt]

And what's up with all the droves of Michael Jackson fruits coming out the woodwork now that he's dead? You guys were nowhere to be found when he was alive making a freak show of himself.

[i seen hippos]

Homeboy if you like a child molesting freak and a music stealing redneck then IDK what to tell you.

Aside from about 5 songs from each of these guys, who gives a crap about them. They both are the most overrated artists of all time. Hands down.

Those musik stealing mofos are like the biggest losers ever! I bet Elvis didn't even like black people.

Supreme LOSER, dude.

[IInvented]

Michael Jackson of course.. He's the biggest star in the music ever..

[Knicks101]

Michael Jackson easily. Most young kids don't know who Elvis is, but I'm sure they all know Michael.

[Silent Mav]

Elvis' earliest inspirations were from black people so fail.
MJ is supposedly having financial problems. Elvis' estate is still one of the most profitable over 30 years later.

[Butters]

Michael Jackson easily. Most young kids don't know who Elvis is, but I'm sure they all know Michael.

:wtf: :wtf:

Dead wrong unless you live in a box.
Everybody knows who The king is,and his names not leBron James.

[andgar923]

People are not answering the question properly. It does not ask who has the broader or more populous fanbase or legacy. If that were the case, you could argue that Britney Spears is "bigger" than Elvis ever was based on global popularity and product advertisement etc.. Mike will always have a broader/more global fan base and than Elvis.


But the question is who will be remembered as the BIGGER icon.

The bigger icon was Elvis. The answer is because he basically introduced and changed the course of an entire genre of music to the world. If it was not for Elvis, the music landscape between 1950 and 2009 may look COMPLETELY different than how it looks today. I think people underestimate this.

It is a close call, depending how you look at the quesiton. But in terms of the course of history, Elvis is a greater figure than MJ.


As an overall entertaining talent, however, MJ looks down on everyone. Of course, you can bet that if Jackson had been white all along, black people would marginalize and discredit him every bit as much they do Elvis.

Interesting.....

I'm thinking back and to a degree you make a good point. Without him there probably isn't any Stones or Beatles. The mainstream audience aren't exposed to black music etc.etc.

But I think this is mostly because he came first, but it doesn't take away from that argument.

So I guess Elvis is a bigger icon in that regards.

But just to set sh!t straight......

1. The Beatles
2. MJ
3. REO Speedwagon

[PistolPete]

Michael Jackson cause he was a Global Phenomenon, and one of the greatest entertainers of all time.



Umm, yeah this pretty much sums up Elvis too

[dajadeed]

Umm, yeah this pretty much sums up Elvis too


:oldlol:

You need to get out of America if you think Elvis is anywhere in the vicinity of Michael Jackson internationally.

Elvis is nowhere near Michael. Not even close.

[Atomic DOG]

People are not getting this.

Without Elvis, America and by consequence the developed world IS NOT WHAT IT IS TODAY.

Rock and Roll music at large, the more suggestive nature of clothing, modern day stances on sexual imagery on TV, these things that exist the way we know them today, STARTED BECAUSE OF ELVIS.

You could truly divide American culture into BE and AE, Before Elvis and After Elvis. Ask your parents (unless you're black, we know they hate him). Adolescence in AMerica was forever changed because of Elvis and we still feel the ripples today.

Without Michael Jackson, we miss out on the greatest and most talented entertainer ever, but pop music still exists, rock music still exists, culturally very little would be changed. Elvis' impact on society was spades larger than MJ's. That's just fact.

[dajadeed]

Elvis' impact on society was spades larger than MJ's. That's just fact.


:oldlol:


It's either ignorance, stupidity, or good ol' racism to try to compare Elvis's worldwide appeal and impact to Michael Jackson. MJ was the most famous musician ever, and it's downright disrespectful to him to even compare him to Elvis.

No one outside of America gives a flying fu.c.k about Elvis.

[dajadeed]

And it's also stupid to say none of this would have happened had it not been for Elvis. Like no one would have come along and been provocative or broke down barriers :oldlol:

[Atomic DOG]

:oldlol:


It's either ignorance, stupidity, or good ol' racism to try to compare Elvis's worldwide appeal and impact to Michael Jackson. MJ was the most famous musician ever, and it's downright disrespectful to him to even compare him to Elvis.

No one outside of America gives a flying fu.c.k about Elvis.


congratulations. everyone here now knows you're an idiot. feel free to mark the distinction in the space under your user name.

[dajadeed]

congratulations. everyone here now knows you're an idiot. feel free to mark the distinction in the space under your user name.

Only an ignorant retard who has never been outside of America would dare compare Elvis to Michael Jackson. Period.

Go to any other country and bring up this discussion and people will laugh in your face :oldlol:

[Atomic DOG]

Only an ignorant retard who has never been outside of America would dare compare Elvis to Michael Jackson. Period.

Go to any other country and bring up this discussion and people will laugh in your face :oldlol:


you cant even understand the question. do you know how to read?

"duhhh, more peoples know about da micahel jackson!"

you're a fool and you sound like a dope, shut up while theres probably still not that many people who are seeing what a dumb ape you are.

[IInvented]

Michael Jackson cause he was a Global Phenomenon, and the greatest entertainer of all time.

Thriller is still the biggest selling album of all time.

fixed*

[dajadeed]

you cant even understand the question. do you know how to read?

"duhhh, more peoples know about da micahel jackson!"

you're a fool and you sound like a dope, shut up while theres probably still not that many people who are seeing what a dumb ape you are.

A dumb ape huh?

There's the good ol' white racist coming out! Haha :oldlol:

No matter how you phrase the question, it's always Michael Jackson > Elvis.

Only an ignorant fool would think Elvis was on Michael Jackson's level regarding ANYTHING. No go back to ********** you stupid ignorant *****.

[dajadeed]

Question: Michael Jackson vs Elvis Presley Who Will Be Remembered as the Bigger Icon?

Only a stupid ****ing retarded ignorant ****ing racist s.t.o.r.m.fr.o.n.t member would even think Elvis was anywhere near Michael Jackson as a global icon.

Go back to your David Duke tapes, *****.

[Atomic DOG]

A dumb ape huh?

There's the good ol' white racist coming out! Haha :oldlol:

No matter how you phrase the question, it's always Michael Jackson > Elvis.

Only an ignorant fool would think Elvis was on Michael Jackson's level regarding ANYTHING. No go back to ********** you stupid ignorant *****.


regardless of your color or mine, YOU ARE A DUMB APE. just look at your lack of ability to make a point or type coherently.

go to australia and britney spears is probably more well known than elvis. that doesnt mean she'll be remembered as the bigger icon in their time. the answer is elvis if you have ANY understanding of history.

if you are a dumb, uneducated, racially bitter elvis-hater, then your only course of action is to play the typical black "i'm black so i hate elvis!" race card.

when you're not educated and you need to make a point, play the race card.

[Atomic DOG]

Question: Michael Jackson vs Elvis Presley Who Will Be Remembered as the Bigger Icon?

Only a stupid ****ing retarded ignorant ****ing racist s.t.o.r.m.fr.o.n.t member would even think Elvis was anywhere near Michael Jackson as a global icon.

Go back to your David Duke tapes, *****.


read your post. tell me it does not remind you of an ape sitting at a keyboard punching keys with two fingers.

[dajadeed]

Go back to s.t.o.r.m.f.r.o.n.t. you stupid *****.

[East River Livn']

Michael Jackson was a sissy and a want-to-be white woman freak who liked to sleep with small children. People will find a way to forget about his sorry ass.

[Atomic DOG]

http://www.kodak.com/US/images/en/corp/1000words/pschwartz/ape.jpg

[dajadeed]

lmao @ some stupid ass ignorant hick who was born in 85 and never been outside of America trying to argue that Elvis is anywhere near Michael Jackson as far as global icons go.

Get a passport you ignorant f.u.c.k.

[CantStop]

Wow, some people actually believe Elvis is anywhere near MJ status? F*cking idiots.

[dajadeed]

Atomic DOG = stupid ignorant racist ***** with a history of turning anything regarding Elvis into a racism thread. Check out thread here. (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=134293)


Can't take the fact that someone is a much bigger global icon than Elvis ever dreamed of being.

[Sanity]

Wow, some people actually believe Elvis is anywhere near MJ status? F*cking idiots.

People also claim Kobe is better than Michael. Stupid huh

[CantStop]

People also claim Kobe is better than Michael. Stupid huh

Yup. Your point? Unless you're one of those f*cking idiots who believe Elvis is 1/400000th of MJ status? MJ was a global icon. Elvis was an american Icon. You think kids in Africa give a f*ck about him?

[Sanity]

Yup. Your point? Unless you're one of those f*cking idiots who believe Elvis is 1/400000th of MJ status? MJ was a global icon. Elvis was an american Icon. You think kids in Africa give a f*ck about him?

Who cares what anybody in Africa thinks? You think anybody in redneck towns in the south give a **** about Michael?

I'm sure everyone around the globe knows who Paris Hilton is.

Paris Hilton>Rosa Parks

[CantStop]

Who cares what anybody in Africa thinks? You think anybody in redneck towns in the south give a **** about Michael?

I'm sure everyone around the globe knows who Paris Hilton is.

Paris Hilton>Rosa Parks

I can't believe you're even debating this. You should be banned based on stupidity.

[Atomic DOG]

I can't believe you're even debating this. You should be banned based on stupidity.


you're just like that other dope, in an incoherent tizzy over the REALITY of history.

michael jackson did nothing to the course of history. elvis changed it forever.

sorry if it hurts your feelings that a white musician was more important than a black one. boo hoo. hate the man, play the race card, down with whitey, blah blah blah. get an education instead of watching spike lee films, and then join the conversation

[Sanity]

I can't believe you're even debating this. You should be banned based on stupidity.

You're one of those ****ing idiots who believe Rosa is 1/400000th of Paris status? Paris is a global icon. Rosa was an American Icon. You think kids in Germany give a f*ck about her?

[Atomic DOG]

You're one of those ****ing idiots who believe Rosa is 1/400000th of Paris status? Paris is a global icon. Rosa was an American Icon. You think kids in Germany give a f*ck about her?


"no, uhh..thats different, umm... kids in afraica do the moonwalk.. or something. err, duhhh, i think....race card....**********..."


just saving him from having to respond.

[nbastatus]

Mj is a legend and he will be remembered, unlike mr overrated tupac

[East River Livn']

sorry if it hurts your feelings that a white musician was more important than a black one. boo hoo. hate the man, play the race card, down with whitey, blah blah blah.

Michael Jackson is black? How can that be when his skin is white and he has biological white children?

[Atomic DOG]

Michael Jackson is black? How can that be when his skin is white and he has biological white children?


Shhhh, dont tell these guys MJ was ever white. THey'll call him overrated and say he stole music from other people.

[East River Livn']

Mj is a legend and he will be remembered, unlike mr overrated tupac

Ahhh but what will he be remembered most for? His music, wasting billions of dollars on frivolous childlike things or sleeping with children?

[PistolPete]

:oldlol:

You need to get out of America if you think Elvis is anywhere in the vicinity of Michael Jackson internationally.

Elvis is nowhere near Michael. Not even close.

Are you from a different country? Then how come you know about him?

[IInvented]

Mj is a legend and he will be remembered, unlike mr overrated tupac

Why you bringing Pac in this convo?

[Atomic DOG]

You're one of those ****ing idiots who believe Rosa is 1/400000th of Paris status? Paris is a global icon. Rosa was an American Icon. You think kids in Germany give a f*ck about her?


looks like this pretty well shut those two dolts up.

[nbastatus]

Why you bringing Pac in this convo?
because i hate tupac.

[kobesabi]

Someone asked for an opinion and it got answered. There is no need of insults and racist remarks. The op was seeking for others opinion and he got it.

Personally, in terms of Bigger Icon? I'd say Elvis since he was the "King of Rock and Roll" long before Pop music existed. Elvis did get around the world even before MJ. MJ got inspired by Elvis when he was younger and wanted to be the same. MJ eventually got there. Elvis was like the pioneer of rock and roll. However, MJ is like the pioneer of pop. Each is an icon of their time. Depend on the crowd you asked, your answer will likely be biased. Likely, you can never get a clear answer for this unless you can live 2000 more years to find out later who is more popular to the people at that time? But who cares, each is a king of their forte.

[Hotlantadude81]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82mhFXKS2es&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vhlinks.com%2Fvbforums%2Fvan-halen-heartbroken-over-jackson-t47589.html&feature=player_embedded

Michael Jackson doing "Beat It" with Eddie Van Halen as a guest.

[Hotlantadude81]

F*ck Elvis.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZqHJYDIYFc

[Sanity]

looks like this pretty well shut those two dolts up.

I Guess so. I wasn't necessarily agreeing or disagreeing with anybody but I think the reasoning for some people's opinions is amusing.

[catzhernandez]

http://www.simpsoncrazy.com/content/pictures/onetimers/MichaelJackson.gif


RIP

[Luigi]

:oldlol:


It's either ignorance, stupidity, or good ol' racism to try to compare Elvis's worldwide appeal and impact to Michael Jackson. MJ was the most famous musician ever, and it's downright disrespectful to him to even compare him to Elvis.

No one outside of America gives a flying fu.c.k about Elvis.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2072/2501305950_92dfe3d587.jpg?v=0http://bitcast-a.v1.o1.sjc1.bitgravity.com/minyanville/assets/FCK_Aug2007/Image/christy/j1613.png

Seriously though...this is like making a Lakers>Sweet and Sour Pork right after they win the finals. You aren't going to get a fair response.

[RoseCity07]

They are both mega superstars but MJ could dance as well he could sing. I think he will be remember as the more talented one. He had more of an affect on the 80's babies in the world than Elvis.

I think MJ.

[dajadeed]

Are you from a different country? Then how come you know about him?

No, I'm American. I was blessed though to grow up in a family that traveled all over the world. I actually went to school in Europe when I was younger, so I am talking from experience.

I've been to 5 continents, and I go overseas consistently for business and pleasure.

Anyone who has been around the world will tell you that it is just plain stupid to compare Elvis to MJ. It's not even a matter of opinion.

I'm not knocking Elvis for his contribution to American music, but it's just a simple little fact that he is nowhere near the global icon that MJ was/is. It's really seriously not even close and makes me laugh :oldlol:

[pollackjack]

Yes, but unfortunately MJ's legacy will be tainted because he liked to have sex with small boys, preferably ones suffering from terminal illnesses. The King win's by default. The real king that is...

[dajadeed]

looks like this pretty well shut those two dolts up.

lmao @ idiots thinking Paris Hilton is a global icon.

I know you were trying to make a point, but it's just ridiculous. We're not talking about a flash in the pan talent here, we're talking about mother****ing Michael Jackson.


There's alot of people that are huge for a few years, but fade after a while. You think if Justin Timberlake died tomorrow people would run out to sell out all NSync cds?

Brittney Spears?

Any rapper or country singer?

Beyonce? Celine Dion?

There's famous musical acts, and then there's MJ.

He transcended culture, religion...everything. People who don't speak a lick of English can recite his songs word for word.

Again, this is no knock on Elvis (ya'll retarded for always turning these threads into this vs. that), but it's just a fact that he's just not anywhere near MJ as far as global icons go, which was the point of the original question.

[mhg88]

Yes, but unfortunately MJ's legacy will be tainted because he liked to have sex with small boys, preferably ones suffering from terminal illnesses. The King win's by default. The real king that is...

:applause:

Personally I find it disgusting and pathetic that everyone is acting like we lost such a great man. This guy was a certified ****** and child rapist.

[dajadeed]

:applause:

Personally I find it disgusting and pathetic that everyone is acting like we lost such a great man. This guy was a certified ****** and child ******.

No one is making him out to be a hero. Just one of the greatest musical talents of all time.

There's no mutual exclusivity here. He can be an icon and a twisted sick ****er at the same time.

[RoseCity07]

:applause:

Personally I find it disgusting and pathetic that everyone is acting like we lost such a great man. This guy was a certified ****** and child rapist.

First of all you know nothing. You have no understanding because you already messed up calling him a "******". Molestation is not rape. Rape is a violent crime and molestation is not.

So you basically sound like a big dumb ass right there. His parents bring him over to MJ's house and then all of a sudden sue for millions of dollars.

No normal person sues someone for molestation. They want to see the guy in jail. The parents made it up and if you can't see that god help you.

[mhg88]

First of all you know nothing. You have no understanding because you already messed up calling him a "******". Molestation is not rape. Rape is a violent crime and molestation is not.

So you basically sound like a big dumb ass right there. His parents bring him over to MJ's house and then all of a sudden sue for millions of dollars.

No normal person sues someone for molestation. They want to see the guy in jail. The parents made it up and if you can't see that god help you.

Child molestation is essentially statutory rape. I don't care how you try to spin it, its f*cked up. Did they or did they not settle out of court to keep the kid quiet? And I don't need "god's help" for not hanging from Jackson's balls and believing he did nothing wrong

[RoseCity07]

Child molestation is essentially statutory rape. I don't care how you try to spin it, its f*cked up. Did they or did they not settle out of court to keep the kid quiet? And I don't need "god's help" for not hanging from Jackson's balls and believing he did nothing wrong

No it's not, what are you a little kid? Rape and molestation are not the same thing. Just touching someone and fondling them is not rape. In fact there was no proof of anything. The parents just wanted money.

Even you can't debate the fact that a true victim would not be interested in money, but justice. Especially a terminally ill victim.

If you got fondled by some old man I'm sure you'd be more interested in seeing him go to prison than trying to get money from him. MJ was innocent.

If he was guilty then his parents should go to jail for selling their child.

[mhg88]

No it's not, what are you a little kid? Rape and molestation are not the same thing. Just touching someone and fondling them is not rape. In fact there was no proof of anything. The parents just wanted money.

Even you can't debate the fact that a true victim would not be interested in money, but justice. Especially a terminally ill victim.

If you got fondled by some old man I'm sure you'd be more interested in seeing him go to prison than trying to get money from him. MJ was innocent.

If he was guilty then his parents should go to jail for selling their child.

No, I'm not a little kid, and I won't sleep in your bed.

[goldenryan]

elvis by far,
elvis: "man, michael is so weird he makes me look normal"{ curls lip}.

[goldenryan]

Jackson appealed to so many people world wide, where as Elvis only appealed to a much narrower base. Elvis is goint to be known for how much he influenced others, whereas MJ is going to be remembered moreso for his actual work.

i think you invented a new word.:oldlol:

[pollackjack]

No it's not, what are you a little kid? Rape and molestation are not the same thing. Just touching someone and fondling them is not rape. In fact there was no proof of anything. The parents just wanted money.

Hilarious, you argue that the fact that he molested children was something that can't really be proved and that it's not rape yet you place judgment on the parents because they want money. Who doesn't want money? Wanting money seems far more natural than having "sleepovers" with little boys. Especially ones that involve the little boys drinking Jesus Juice and being able to leave with a perfect description of his bizarre *****.


Even you can't debate the fact that a true victim would not be interested in money, but justice. Especially a terminally ill victim.

The kid that recently sued was in remission from cancer. As in, he was all but completely cured. As in, he wanted justice in the form of monetary compensation. And I believe Michael paid that first little kid that he had had his way with and took him to court so why not go for it?


If you got fondled by some old man I'm sure you'd be more interested in seeing him go to prison than trying to get money from him. MJ was innocent.

If he was guilty then his parents should go to jail for selling their child.

Haha, yes if ANYONE should go to jail it should be the parents who take their kids to visit with a man that you claim has no interest in little kids, not the creepy pasty-white black man that lives in a giant mansion where everyone gets to eat cotton candy, ride ponies, and at some point may or may not get molested.

These were not the kind of problems Elvis had, this is why he will be remembered more fondly and ultimately as a bigger icon.

[ZeN]

Without Michael Jackson, we miss out on the greatest and most talented entertainer ever, but pop music still exists, rock music still exists, culturally very little would be changed. Elvis' impact on society was spades larger than MJ's. That's just fact.




I actually feel that MJ's splendid promotion of music videos killed pop music. Since his prime, its been dettering ever since.. Its all based on the style and not substance.. It use to be an art form to create full radio songs that would last, but now video has killed the radio star...

[Lebron23Jordan]

id have to say MJ... again im a rap fan... so i aint into Pop or ANything like that...

[Fatal9]

MJ was a larger global icon. MJ sold more records. MJ has proven to be more timeless than Elvis, as he seamlessly spanned several generations.

The answer is Michael Jackson.

[Norcaliblunt]

This is a King of Rock vs. a King of Pop question. Choose what side you are on.

And everybody hating on Elvis for stealing music needs to do the same with Michael. He stole all the rights to the Beatles music just so he could be a greedy mofo and sell them for commercials.

Anyway I stand by screw them both. Overrated freaks and terrible human beings.

[Atomic DOG]

MJ was a larger global icon. MJ sold more records. MJ has proven to be more timeless than Elvis, as he seamlessly spanned several generations.

The answer is Michael Jackson.


Ok, again, the world was much larger in MJ"s era. The media was much more prevalent. Many more people had access to him. People in India did not even have the opportunity to listen to Elvis. If they had, the same result would have happened as with Jackson.

The impact that Elvis had on HIS generation was much greater than Jacksons did. Again, Elvis made Rock and Roll music AS WE KNOW IT exist. America changed because of Elvis. Clothing, cultural norms, boundaries, the whole thing. Our culture still feels the ripple effects of Elvis bursting on the scene.

Elvis Presley was not as talented as Michael Jackson. He did not sell any records. But Presley was the BEGINNING OF MODERN CULTURE. Despite Jacksons global APPEAL, he did not have the same type of revolutionary appeal. Everyone loved him and he had huge success, but society was not as taken aback

You are either refusing to distinguish talent/popularity from iconic-ness. s

[L.Kizzle]

This is a King of Rock vs. a King of Pop question. Choose what side you are on.

And everybody hating on Elvis for stealing music needs to do the same with Michael. He stole all the rights to the Beatles music just so he could be a greedy mofo and sell them for commercials.

Anyway I stand by screw them both. Overrated freaks and terrible human beings.
I didn't know you can steal something you paid for?

[East River Livn']

Just touching someone and fondling them is not rape.

Reported

[KubiliusF]

Michael Jackson

[GOBB]

Probably already said but Elvis, was a hero to most but he never meant shyt to me.

[Atomic DOG]

Probably already said but Elvis, was a hero to most but he never meant shyt to me.

but napoleon dynamite did?


i love how you are all about 3/4 of white culture, but try to jump on a few carefully selected spot issues like not watching seinfeld or caring about elvis, to try to maintain your black credibility. you're a real genuine guy.

[32jazz]

Ok, again, the world was much larger in MJ"s era. The media was much more prevalent. Many more people had access to him. People in India did not even have the opportunity to listen to Elvis. If they had, the same result would have happened as with Jackson.

The impact that Elvis had on HIS generation was much greater than Jacksons did. Again, Elvis made Rock and Roll music AS WE KNOW IT exist. America changed because of Elvis. Clothing, cultural norms, boundaries, the whole thing. Our culture still feels the ripple effects of Elvis bursting on the scene.


Elvis can't 'make' something that was already there.:oldlol:
His dress in zoot suits(early on especially), the pompador hair doo, & hip twisting had been around in Blues/Jump Blues(R&B) for decades.

2 of Elvis first 4 recordings/hits were Blues covers & it was obvious his singing was lifted from R&B/Gospel/Blues singers.

You really need to study 'Rock & Roll'(slang used in Blues music as far back as the 20's) which was slang for 'sex'. The only reason it was renamed Rock & Roll was to get rid of the 'stigma' of it beng 'Race'(Black) Music.

He made R&B acceptable to White audiences which is nice, but he would be considered a 'Wig**' by today's standard.

[big baller]

MJ is a bigger icon. I mean the man even ****ed elvis' daughter. What more can you ask?


Boom

[Atomic DOG]

Elvis can't 'make' something that was already there.:oldlol:
His dress in zoot suits(early on especially), the pompador hair doo, & hip twisting had been around in Blues/Jump Blues(R&B) for decades.

2 of Elvis first 4 recordings/hits were Blues covers & it was obvious his singing was lifted from R&B/Gospel/Blues singers.

You really need to study 'Rock & Roll'(slang used in Blues music as far back as the 20's) which was slang for 'sex'. The only reason it was renamed Rock & Roll was to get rid of the 'stigma' of it beng 'Race'(Black) Music.

He made R&B acceptable to White audiences which is nice, but he would be considered a 'Wig**' by today's standard.

i think its you who needs to read up.

go look up what people like jackie wilson, al green, smokey robinson etc. have said about elvis. they called him the greatest thing to happen to black music/culture. he opened doors to their music. if it werent for him, michael jackson might never gotten a chance.

it doesnt matter how talented elvis was. he wasnt nearly as talented as michael jackson. doesnt mean he wasnt good.

everyone has influences. you are trying to crucify elvis for being a white guy with black influences, as if that makes him a phony. michael jackson had black influences. is it ok for him cause he was born black?

you sound like an absolute fool. you arent even adressing the question either, which is who will be remembered as a bigger icon. the answer is elvis. i like michael jacksons music a million times more than elvis'. but that cant change history. sorry if it makes you pee your pants that a white man could be more influential in black music. hey, michael jordan made a game invented by white men globally popular. do you wanna get on him for that like you do elvis? yeah, didnt think so.

[GOBB]

but napoleon dynamite did?

Napoleon Dynamite was a movie. I fail to see the comparison or better yet your point.


i love how you are all about 3/4 of white culture, but try to jump on a few carefully selected spot issues like not watching seinfeld or caring about elvis, to try to maintain your black credibility. you're a real genuine guy.

I never watched Seinfeld because I couldnt get into the dry humor. There was no appeal. My best friend who is black thinks that is the funniest show ever. Whenever he came by the crib, oops I'm being too black for you. Whenever he swung by my place of residence he always watched it. I didnt get it. I know plenty of black people, people of all background who love Seinfeld. I didnt.

Somehow me not watching Seinfeld has something to do with my "black credibility". :oldlol:

Perhaps the scent of woman feet is getting to you. Do like Michael Jackson and rock a mask. Who's Bad? Heehee! :applause:

[32jazz]

i think its you who needs to read up.

go look up what people like jackie wilson, al green, smokey robinson etc. have said about elvis. they called him the greatest thing to happen to black music/culture. he opened doors to their music. if it werent for him, michael jackson might never gotten a chance.

it doesnt matter how talented elvis was. he wasnt nearly as talented as michael jackson. doesnt mean he wasnt good.

everyone has influences. you are trying to crucify elvis for being a white guy with black influences, as if that makes him a phony. michael jackson had black influences. is it ok for him cause he was born black?

you sound like an absolute fool. you arent even adressing the question either, which is who will be remembered as a bigger icon. the answer is elvis. i like michael jacksons music a million times more than elvis'. but that cant change history. sorry if it makes you pee your pants that a white man could be more influential in black music.

Elvis was talented ,but his ascendance in Black musical forms(which you foolishly claim he 'invented or 'made':oldlol: ) say more about the prejudice of White's who refused to accept Black artists than it does that particualar artist. The stiff Pat Boone used to make far more millions & sell far more records covering Black artist than they could ever dream of.

If there wasn't such prejudice there would have never been a music called 'Rock & Roll'(Which was only R&B) & other artist could have thrived as well.

I have already said that Louis Armstrong, Elvis & Mchael Jackson are basically the Mt Rushmore of Pop music in this country. What is there for me to be angry about? Do you know me?

[Avaj]

MJ

[Big#50]

**** Elvis.

[Batman]

Michael Jackson

[KINGofTHEcourt]

Elvis by far. The king of rock-n-roll vs. a trend. This sympathy for MJ will die down in a few weeks. Elvis founded modern rock. MJ was iconic in a genre that is universally hated nowadays. Whenever you think of mdern pop all you think of is bullshit artists like Hannah Montana and Lady Gaga.

[GOBB]

Elvis by far. The king of rock-n-roll vs. a trend. This sympathy for MJ will die down in a few weeks. Elvis founded modern rock. MJ was iconic in a genre that is universally hated nowadays. Whenever you think of mdern pop all you think of is bullshit artists like Hannah Montana and Lady Gaga.

Wrong. What else is new?

People across the globe loved Michael. Elvis? Laughable. Of course you wanna be the odd ball so place the red ball on your nose.

[Younggrease]

Elvis by far. The king of rock-n-roll vs. a trend. This sympathy for MJ will die down in a few weeks. Elvis founded modern rock. MJ was iconic in a genre that is universally hated nowadays. Whenever you think of mdern pop all you think of is bullshit artists like Hannah Montana and Lady Gaga.

sorry but this is the most retarded post I have ever read...Most people cant even recognize 5 Elvis songs but can easily recognize tons of MJs stuff...

lets not forget that MJ was just a greater talent then Elvis

[L.Kizzle]

Elvis by far. The king of rock-n-roll vs. a trend. This sympathy for MJ will die down in a few weeks. Elvis founded modern rock. MJ was iconic in a genre that is universally hated nowadays. Whenever you think of mdern pop all you think of is bullshit artists like Hannah Montana and Lady Gaga.
Elvis founded modern rock, you sure?? A dude who's been performing professionally since 1967 (Elvis was out back than) is a trend.

[KINGofTHEcourt]

You tools can name a bunch of MJ songs because he was popular during your generations. Elvis came before then. Elvis influenced the beatles, the rolling stones, the doors. Some of the greatest bands ever. Elvis's influence of the Beatles made pop-rock mainstream.

Who the **** still went to see Michael JAckson that was under 30 after 1990?

[Younggrease]

MJ was a great artist, but today artists who claimed he influenced them are all crap, like Britney Spears, Timberlake and most hip hop crap.

thats the thing...no one has his swagger b/c you cant copy it...It just doesnt work...its not his fault he was that nice that they all sound like crap compared to him.

[L.Kizzle]

thats the thing...no one has his swagger b/c you cant copy it...It just doesnt work...its not his fault he was that nice that they all sound like crap compared to him.
YEah, MJ just doesn't only influence this generation. DUde's been influencing cats since the 70s'.

Osmonds
Prince
New Edition
Celine Dion
Mariah Carey
Whitney Houston
En Vouge
Aaliyah
Teddy Riley
Queen
Jam and Lewis



And, he also influences people before him.

Smokey Robinson
Stevie Wonder

[KINGofTHEcourt]

I took AP Music Theory in school this year and we spent almost a month covering the rise of rock-n-roll. The main component in the whole thing was (drumroll please).... Elvis!

Maybe a groups of colored people on ISH who grew up around pop music don't know about the roots of modern rock, but Elvis was not only an influence in rock-n-roll, but all music. Elvis is the reason rock and pop made it to the radio.

When rock-n-roll first started being played on the radio, it was perceived as a threat by a lot of people. It was too rebelious for the time. The Rolling Stone were nearly banned, and station would hardly play the Beatles or Elvis. Frank Sinatra wrote about how rock-n-roll should be kept off the radio. Elvis's popularity made rock and pop a prat of the culture in America.

[L.Kizzle]

I took AP Music Theory in school this year and we spent almost a month covering the rise of rock-n-roll. The main component in the whole thing was (drumroll please).... Elvis!

Maybe a groups of colored people on ISH who grew up around pop music don't know about the roots of modern rock, but Elvis was not only an influence in rock-n-roll, but all music. Elvis is the reason rock and pop made it to the radio.

When rock-n-roll first started being played on the radio, it was perceived as a threat by a lot of people. It was too rebelious for the time. The Rolling Stone were nearly banned, and station would hardly play the Beatles or Elvis. Frank Sinatra wrote about how rock-n-roll should be kept off the radio. Elvis's popularity made rock and pop a prat of the culture in America.
I know the roots of modern rock, but judging by your three paragraphs, you don't.

[GOBB]

hahaahaa the kid took a class and thinks he is informed. STFU

[deion2123]

MJ is a bigger icon. I mean the man even ****ed elvis' daughter. What more can you ask?
MJ had sex with Lisa Marie ???:lol yeah right..that marriage was faker than his nose

[Younggrease]

I took AP Music Theory in school this year and we spent almost a month covering the rise of rock-n-roll. The main component in the whole thing was (drumroll please).... Elvis!

Maybe a groups of colored people on ISH who grew up around pop music don't know about the roots of modern rock, but Elvis was not only an influence in rock-n-roll, but all music. Elvis is the reason rock and pop made it to the radio.

When rock-n-roll first started being played on the radio, it was perceived as a threat by a lot of people. It was too rebelious for the time. The Rolling Stone were nearly banned, and station would hardly play the Beatles or Elvis. Frank Sinatra wrote about how rock-n-roll should be kept off the radio. Elvis's popularity made rock and pop a prat of the culture in America.


You equate influence with being remembered which isnt true...

Since we are on a bball forum tell me who will be remembered more Kenny Sailors or Shaq?

One man invented the jumpshot and changed how the game was played while the other was a great basketball player...


hahaahaa the kid took a class and thinks he is informed. STFU

exactly a HS school class at that...lol

[KINGofTHEcourt]

enlighten me then. where is mj's influence still shining today? in shitty artists like timberlake? Motown records was making pop music before Mj. What did he do that so special? You're quick to talk about how stupid I am without telling me what is so great about mj,.

[KINGofTHEcourt]

He was an icon to a generation. That generation has past and old folk who post on ISH wanna reminisce about the days when they had jerry-curls and people gave a shit about smooth criminal. I'm not saying that their's people walking around sporting Elvis gear, but rock-n-roll fans know that Elvis influenced the genre more than anyone. MJ was just a popular artist who seems to be given too much credit.

[GOBB]

MJ has been doing his thing for 4 decades. Smarten up.

[rawimpact]

i don't understand this forum. People tend to think that things that happened in the past (usually before they were born) makes them more significant. Not many are willing to say that players/people alive today are #1 in whatever "made" them.

Ex/ Phil Jackson (as a coach) and now Michael Jackson.

[Younggrease]

enlighten me then. where is mj's influence still shining today? in shitty artists like timberlake? Motown records was making pop music before Mj. What did he do that so special? You're quick to talk about how stupid I am without telling me what is so great about mj,.

your logic is unsound...im not calling you stupid I am just calling it to your attention.


He was an icon to a generation. That generation has past and old folk who post on ISH wanna reminisce about the days when they had jerry-curls and people gave a **** about smooth criminal. I'm not saying that their's people walking around sporting Elvis gear, but rock-n-roll fans know that Elvis influenced the genre more than anyone. MJ was just a popular artist who seems to be given too much credit.

MJ is an icon to many generations...he has put out great music and tons of it. The stuff is timeless...that why this whole weekend in every club they could get away playing 80s MJ and everyone would go crazy. I bet if he died in 2020 they could play MJ songs and people would still vibe with him because he was that unique of a talent.

[L.Kizzle]

enlighten me then. where is mj's influence still shining today? in shitty artists like timberlake? Motown records was making pop music before Mj. What did he do that so special? You're quick to talk about how stupid I am without telling me what is so great about mj,.
Learn your HIStory. So you're saying it's MJ's fault the artist today suck? Mike has been out since 1969, just do the math.

What did he do that was so special, listen to the man, watch the man.

You said Elvis invented Rock, that Rock starts with Elvis. Rock was beig formed in the late 40s' by negro musicians.

[gts]

I'm gonna butcher my thoughts here but i'll try anyways.

there is a vast difference in the times they came into popularity, when elvis came into his own, there was vinyl LPs and 45's am radio and that was it. later on his fist TV appearance they would only show him from the waist up for fear he might shake his pelvis...lol he also became popular in all those corny movies, he was adored by millions and because of his music movies and fame was recognized world wide but the world was a bigger place then and his tentacles didn't have as far a reach as they would have 25 years later.

then there was the media, back then it wasn't as hungry for info, scandal, we didn't know as much about the famous private lives as wedo now. there was the newspapers and TV and that was it, every home had maybe 9 working channels max depending on the antennae and there were only 3 national broadcasting companies.

jackson came along and we watched him grow up and into a world that was getting smaller daily. by the time he hit his full stride there was MTV 100 cable channels and a starving media trying to fill air time with anything and a pop icon like jackson filled that bill perfectly, he was good (real good) he had a wide crossover appeal and he had a media machine behind him pumping, pimping and pandering his every move. by the time he was at his height of greatness there wasn't a corner of the earth that didn't know who he was.
he was available on TV, the written media, Casette tapes, LP's Cd's VHS and most importantly the birth of the internet age. His height of popularity coincided with a change in technology that was being gobbled up by everyone who could get their hands on it and he was availbe in so many different mediums. add to the fact he was hands down the best entertainer out there and it exploded bigger than anything or anyone ever had..

so each dominated their era like no one else had before...
all things being equal you'd have to say jackson was the biggest icon, but they were far from equal, the fact elvis became as big a gloabl name in a world/time when most american stars were not even known outside the USA was a credit to his popularity and reach.

it's really apples and oranges, elvis was as big as he could possibly be during his time as was jackson in his. both advanced the genre of music bigger and better than it had ever been done before, both thrilled and drove their fans to craziness, both sold alot of albums, rocked their worlds and both paid a heavy price for their fame.

[Butters]

He was fun to watch but i kind of mute him in my head and just like to jam to the beats.His voice was bla.All a matter of opinion of course.

[GOBB]

I'm gonna butcher my thoughts here but i'll try anyways.

there is a vast difference in the times they came into popularity, when elvis came into his own, there was vinyl LPs and 45's am radio and that was it. later on his fist TV appearance they would only show him from the waist up for fear he might shake his pelvis...lol he also became popular in all those corny movies, he was adored by millions and because of his music movies and fame was recognized world wide but the world was a bigger place then and his tentacles didn't have as far a reach as they would have 25 years later.

then there was the media, back then it wasn't as hungry for info, scandal, we didn't know as much about the famous private lives as wedo now. there was the newspapers and TV and that was it, every home had maybe 9 working channels max depending on the antennae and there were only 3 national broadcasting companies.

jackson came along and we watched him grow up and into a world that was getting smaller daily. by the time he his his full stride there was MTV 100 cable channels and a starving media trying to fill air time with anything and a pop icon like jackson filled that bill perfectly, he was good (real good) he had a wide crossover appeal and he had a media machine behind him pumping, pimping and pandering his every move. by the time he was at his height of greatness there wasn't a corner of the earth that didn't know who he was.
he was available on TV, the written media, Casette tapes, LP's Cd's VHS and most importantly the birth of the internet age. His height of popularity coincided with a change in technology that was being gobbled up by everyone who could get their hands on it and he was availbe in so many different mediums. add to the fact he was hands down the best entertainer out there and it exploded bigger than anything or anyone ever had..

so each dominated their era like no one else had before...
all things being equal you'd have to say jackson was the biggest icon, but they were far from equal, the fact elvis became as big a gloabl name in a world/time when most american stars were not even known outside the USA was a credit to his popularity and reach.

it's really apples and oranges, elvis was as big as he could possibly be during his time as was jackson in his. both advanced the genre of music bigger and better than it had ever been done before, both thrilled and drove their fans to craziness, both sold alot of albums, rocked their worlds and both paid a heavy price for their fame.

Good post.

[Atomic DOG]

I'm gonna butcher my thoughts here but i'll try anyways.

there is a vast difference in the times they came into popularity, when elvis came into his own, there was vinyl LPs and 45's am radio and that was it. later on his fist TV appearance they would only show him from the waist up for fear he might shake his pelvis...lol he also became popular in all those corny movies, he was adored by millions and because of his music movies and fame was recognized world wide but the world was a bigger place then and his tentacles didn't have as far a reach as they would have 25 years later.

then there was the media, back then it wasn't as hungry for info, scandal, we didn't know as much about the famous private lives as wedo now. there was the newspapers and TV and that was it, every home had maybe 9 working channels max depending on the antennae and there were only 3 national broadcasting companies.

jackson came along and we watched him grow up and into a world that was getting smaller daily. by the time he hit his full stride there was MTV 100 cable channels and a starving media trying to fill air time with anything and a pop icon like jackson filled that bill perfectly, he was good (real good) he had a wide crossover appeal and he had a media machine behind him pumping, pimping and pandering his every move. by the time he was at his height of greatness there wasn't a corner of the earth that didn't know who he was.
he was available on TV, the written media, Casette tapes, LP's Cd's VHS and most importantly the birth of the internet age. His height of popularity coincided with a change in technology that was being gobbled up by everyone who could get their hands on it and he was availbe in so many different mediums. add to the fact he was hands down the best entertainer out there and it exploded bigger than anything or anyone ever had..

so each dominated their era like no one else had before...
all things being equal you'd have to say jackson was the biggest icon, but they were far from equal, the fact elvis became as big a gloabl name in a world/time when most american stars were not even known outside the USA was a credit to his popularity and reach.

it's really apples and oranges, elvis was as big as he could possibly be during his time as was jackson in his. both advanced the genre of music bigger and better than it had ever been done before, both thrilled and drove their fans to craziness, both sold alot of albums, rocked their worlds and both paid a heavy price for their fame.


well said

[bada bing]

I took AP Music Theory in school this year and we spent almost a month covering the rise of rock-n-roll. The main component in the whole thing was (drumroll please).... Elvis!

Maybe a groups of colored people on ISH who grew up around pop music don't know about the roots of modern rock, but Elvis was not only an influence in rock-n-roll, but all music. Elvis is the reason rock and pop made it to the radio.

When rock-n-roll first started being played on the radio, it was perceived as a threat by a lot of people. It was too rebelious for the time. The Rolling Stone were nearly banned, and station would hardly play the Beatles or Elvis. Frank Sinatra wrote about how rock-n-roll should be kept off the radio. Elvis's popularity made rock and pop a prat of the culture in America.

wow. you seriously are a dumbass. You are asking colored people that they do not know the roots of modern rock??? i bet you failed that class or you cheated your way through it. Go back and finish it so you may learn the roots of modern rock. idiot.

[O.J A 6'4Mamba]

Rip Mj

[koBEDABEST]

anybody with commen sence will say MJ.