Overrated rap albums commonly thought highly of...

[Legend of Josh]

Pharoahe Monch - Internal Affairs

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00004SVGW.01._SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpg

I start here, and for good reason. This album is utter trash. The only gem is Light. The only other decent cut from the album is Queens, which still isn't anything special. I appreciate PM for his work back in the day with Organized Konfusion. A lot of circles really think PM is an amazing emcee, which is why I feel compelled to say he's overrated, and Internal Affairs proves why he is. Perhaps a great guest spot, but a 13 track album, no thanks. One of the more unique vocals in the rap game, but not enough to dismiss his lack of other abilities. I haven't heard his other album Desire. Am I missing anything? Haven't heard any rave reviews, etc.

http://www.metrolyrics.com/images/albums/3458_talib_kweli_quality.jpg

Next up - Talib Kweli's Quality. Now before you throw stones realize I'm actually a fan of Kweli, I just feel his flow and persona on previous works is much better, especially the Black Star project. Kewli is too soft on Quality, and I realize he's not a "thug" or goon yet you can't deny he was much rougher and gritty on his Reflection Eternal and Black Star works. Decent album, but if you poll a lot of fans of the album they'll say it's classic, which is way beyond it's deserving.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_VAegPN3-w3I/SgmT6ExtlBI/AAAAAAAAAN8/P2oBHcy6udQ/s200/common-be.jpg

I'm sure to piss off a few more heads with this album. I'm sorry, it's just not a classic album. It's not even a "must have" or anything of the nature. Great... eh IDK. Good, I can accept that. I'm just not a big Common fan, but I appreciate great albums from mediocre artists and vise versa, so if the album was "all that" I'd have no problem giving respect where respect is due - but considering highly regarded this album is, it certainly makes me step back and scratch my head. Great production, just too much mediocre Common. Then again I've always viewed Common a mediocre artist.

[rezznor]

tha carter II

[Legend of Josh]

tha carter II

That I can agree with. I loved Carter III, a bit indifferent with Carter II.

[lukeridnour08]

Illmatic-
Obviously a great album, should be in everyones top 15 or so.
But it seems like there is a big group of people who think its bar none the greatest album ever.
Its definetly in my top 7 or so, but there is the chronic 2001 and all eyes on me are comparable. I don't think BlackStars album is too far off either.

[Vragrant]

http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/080623/jay-z-blueprint_l.jpg

Its good, but not the masterpiece many claim.

Also

http://a.abcnews.com/images/Entertainment/ht_life_after_death_090112_ssv.jpg

[thejumpa]

I'm going to get shot for this but...any Biggie album. I just never got into the guy enough to make me want to call his work "classic". To the OP, I'm with you on most of those picks. Quality was aight, Finding Forever was ok...but not classics or what many people see them as.

[Sonic R]

Ya'll gonna hate me for this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/16/Alleyezonme.jpg

Yeah, I went there.

I grew up listening to 2Pac when he was down with the Underground

[Legend of Josh]

Illmatic-
Obviously a great album, should be in everyones top 15 or so.
But it seems like there is a big group of people who think its bar none the greatest album ever.
Its definetly in my top 7 or so, but there is the chronic 2001 and all eyes on me are comparable. I don't think BlackStars album is too far off either.

Not a bad assessment. There's a few Pac haters here who would clown you for the All Eyes On Me pick... but I'm with you, one of the best albums in rap's history. Not so much comparable to other East Coast bangers from back in the day, but if there was a rap album that really personified the rap game, safe to say it's All Eyes On Me.

Not feeling you on the Black Star pick to be anywhere near the top 25, much less top 10

[Legend of Josh]

Ya'll gonna hate me for this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/16/Alleyezonme.jpg

Yeah, I went there.

I grew up listening to 2Pac when he was down with the Underground… Digital Underground. Same Song, D-Flo, et cetera… Then 2Pacalypse Now dropped and was hitting good. After that Strictly for my ****** came out and that album was just full of energy. Come summer of 95 the summer I graduated, I got down to Me Against the World. That album was perfection. I had it on cassette and wore the wheels out on that thing! Then Pac got locked in the clink… Death Row came to his rescue, and he laid the turd that was All Eyez on Me. SMH. It didn't even feel like the same Pac I spent my high school days jamming to. It was like some hybrid Snoop/Dre/2Pac crap. I didn't even care about this album as I had three CDs stolen out of my car one night in the summer of 96, All Eyes on Me, Doggfood, and Conspiracy. I didn't replace All Eyez on Me.

Now these days, I can enjoy the album, and have grown to like it over the years, but too many people think this is the only Pac album that matters/counts/exists :hammerhead:

2Pacalypse Now = one of rap's most underrated albums. No doubt.

Wow... how can you NOT enjoy Toss It Up... Pain... Thug Passion... Picture Me Rollin' etc. just to name a few???

[thejumpa]

Sonic R your gonna have to get out of the thread for that one......

[Meticode]

[QUOTE=Sonic R]Ya'll gonna hate me for this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/16/Alleyezonme.jpg

Yeah, I went there.

I grew up listening to 2Pac when he was down with the Underground

[Legend of Josh]

http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/080623/jay-z-blueprint_l.jpg

Its good, but not the masterpiece many claim.

Also

http://a.abcnews.com/images/Entertainment/ht_life_after_death_090112_ssv.jpg

I actually agree here. I love both albums, however neither are "classic" ... maybe 4 oro 4.5 mic worthy albums, but not classic... * sigh * really not even that close. I do like Blueprint quite a bit though.

[lazerface]

That I can agree with. I loved Carter III, a bit indifferent with Carter II.

the carter 2 is easily the best studio album wayne has ever released in my opinion. that's why i'm going to have to go with the carter 3 as overhyped and highly overrated.

[rezznor]

That I can agree with. I loved Carter III, a bit indifferent with Carter II.
you are gonna hate me, but i mistyped and i actually meant Carter III

[enayes]

Illmatic-
Obviously a great album, should be in everyones top 3 or so.
But it seems like there is a big group of people who think its bar none the greatest album ever.
Its definetly in my top 7 or so, but there is the chronic 2001 and all eyes on me are comparable. I don't think BlackStars album is too far off either.


fixed it for ya.

[lazerface]

[QUOTE=Sonic R]Ya'll gonna hate me for this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/16/Alleyezonme.jpg

Yeah, I went there.

I grew up listening to 2Pac when he was down with the Underground

[Sonic R]

i definitely agree it sounds dated. still a bunch of great tunes on it though.

I actually find it refreshing to listen to now

[Legend of Josh]

i definitely agree it sounds dated. still a bunch of great tunes on it though.

To be a 1996 album, how does it sound outdated?

???

[Ruslan`]

Illmatic-
Obviously a great album, should be in everyones top 15 or so.
But it seems like there is a big group of people who think its bar none the greatest album ever.
Its definetly in my top 7 or so, but there is the chronic 2001 and all eyes on me are comparable. I don't think BlackStars album is too far off either.

lol u kidding??
2001 isn't even the best album by Dr. Dre
and u also picked the wrong Pac album to compare to Illmatic.. MATW is much better and only comparable album ever.
Illmatic is the greatest album bar none.

[Styles p]

any jay-z album.

[v-unit]

I am a new found Nas fan and Illmatic is 100% the most overated album of all time. It Was Written is clearly better, and I'm starting to like God's Son and Street's Disciple. Anyways, Illmatic is for sure a top 15 album all time, not top 5.

I might say Blueprint is overated as well but that's only because people rank it above Black Album. BluePrint is a classic just like the Black Album but it is sometimes labelled as his finest work which is incorrect.

[Knicks101]

I am a new found Nas fan and Illmatic is 100% the most overated album of all time. It Was Written is clearly better, and I'm starting to like God's Son and Street's Disciple. Anyways, Illmatic is for sure a top 15 album all time, not top 5.

I might say Blueprint is overated as well but that's only because people rank it above Black Album. BluePrint is a classic just like the Black Album but it is sometimes labelled as his finest work which is incorrect.

Reasonable Doubt is better than the BluePrint and the Black Album imo.

It Takes A Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back is overrated. It's an important album but it isn't one of my favorites.

[1~Gibson~1]

any jay-z album.this

i dont hate him, i just dont find his music entertaining. not any of his new songs at least.

[playtetris]

I am a new found Nas fan and Illmatic is 100% the most overated album of all time. It Was Written is clearly better, and I'm starting to like God's Son and Street's Disciple. Anyways, Illmatic is for sure a top 15 album all time, not top 5.

I might say Blueprint is overated as well but that's only because people rank it above Black Album. BluePrint is a classic just like the Black Album but it is sometimes labelled as his finest work which is incorrect.

@ OP: i've never heard anyone claim those albums are classics. the monch album is clearly the best out of the three you listed: 'the truth', 'rape', 'simon says' and that joint with prince po are all banging, lyrically amazing (verging on classic) joints. 'queens' and 'the light' are also great.

@ v-unit: name 14 (or however many you can) better albums than 'illmatic'. if the list contains more than one jay elpee, it is null and void.

[v-unit]

@ v-unit: name 14 (or however many you can) better albums than 'illmatic'. if the list contains more than one jay elpee, it is null and void.

Ok, well I'm going to include 3 Jay-Z albums because you can't just add wacky rules to anything like that.

No order:
black album
blueprint
reasonable doubt
it was written
i am
stillmatic
2001
GRODT
carter II
Marshall mathers lp
slim shady lp
eminem show

well this is all I could think of. Looks like it's number 13 on my list. I didn't include any Pac/Biggie either becaue I didn't listen to their albums fully.

[Dasher]

Common's entire discography.

The Slim Shady LP

Illmatic

Scarface-The Fix

Blueprint

The Carter III(500 Degrees, and Carters I and II were all better)

[Styles p]

this

i dont hate him, i just dont find his music entertaining. not any of his new songs at least.

same here ill listen to him especially his old songs like dead presidents.

[playtetris]

Ok, well I'm going to include 3 Jay-Z albums because you can't just add wacky rules to anything like that.

No order:
black album
blueprint
reasonable doubt
it was written
i am
stillmatic
2001
GRODT
carter II
Marshall mathers lp
slim shady lp
eminem show

well this is all I could think of. Looks like it's number 13 on my list.

so in total, your list stems from 6 artists? look, clearly you are anti-'illmatic' because jay doesn't have an album that influential in his catalogue, but come on... *one* of those albums is arguably in the same league as 'illmatic'. the rest don't even come close. i realise taste is subjective, but how are albums like 'i am', 'carter II', 'black album' better than 'illmatic'? sh*iiiiit, how are they even close?

[Atomic DOG]

these are the ones i am in agreement with so far:

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00004SVGW.01._SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_VAegPN3-w3I/SgmT6ExtlBI/AAAAAAAAAN8/P2oBHcy6udQ/s200/common-be.jpg
http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/080623/jay-z-blueprint_l.jpg
http://a.abcnews.com/images/Entertainment/ht_life_after_death_090112_ssv.jpg
http://www.illestlyrics.com/wp-content/uploads/slim.jpg

and then my own selections in the next post

[Atomic DOG]

http://image.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/GZA-LiquidSwords.jpg
http://a0.vox.com/6a00b8ea0716781bc000c2251c1f30549d-500pi


those would be my nominations

[Ruslan`]

I am a new found Nas fan and Illmatic is 100% the most overated album of all time. It Was Written is clearly better, and I'm starting to like God's Son and Street's Disciple. Anyways, Illmatic is for sure a top 15 album all time, not top 5.

I might say Blueprint is overated as well but that's only because people rank it above Black Album. BluePrint is a classic just like the Black Album but it is sometimes labelled as his finest work which is incorrect.

lol that's bull**** everything you said..
blueprint is Jay's best work with RD 2nd.
Illmatic not top 5?? name me albums u think are better plz...and seriously u considered on saying that streets disipline (nas' worst album) is on the level of Illmatic?
How old are u idiot?

[JtotheIzzo]

anything from the South that isn't ATLiens.

[Ruslan`]

Ok, well I'm going to include 3 Jay-Z albums because you can't just add wacky rules to anything like that.

No order:
black album
blueprint
reasonable doubt
it was written
i am
stillmatic
2001
GRODT
carter II
Marshall mathers lp
slim shady lp
eminem show

well this is all I could think of. Looks like it's number 13 on my list. I didn't include any Pac/Biggie either becaue I didn't listen to their albums fully.

First of all I think you're a ****ing retarded because u think u know a lot about hip hop yet u claim to never listen to any Pac/Biggie album fully. They are 2 of the greatest and if u haven't listened to any of their album, ur opinion = ****.
next, how can u put GRODT and carter II ahead of Illmatic? Unless u ****ing 10 yr old who never listened to old school hip hop, which I believe u are. it's a shame to me that u think those albums stand any chance against Illmatic..U better go back and listen to the lyrics and message in Illmatic and read the reviews. consider the fact that Nas was Soulja boy's age when he released Illmatic..
I think u should never speak on hip hop again on this board cuz everything u say is offensive to everyone who is a true fan.

[Atomic DOG]

Illmatic is 100% the most overated album of all time.


BluePrint is a classic


just like the Black Album


And that would be what we call, Strikes 1, 2, and 3. You're out.

[Positive]

Ok, well I'm going to include 3 Jay-Z albums because you can't just add wacky rules to anything like that.

No order:
black album
blueprint
reasonable doubt
it was written
i am
stillmatic
2001
GRODT
carter II
Marshall mathers lp
slim shady lp
eminem show

well this is all I could think of. Looks like it's number 13 on my list. I didn't include any Pac/Biggie either becaue I didn't listen to their albums fully.

Are you serious? Those two albums are not even close to on illmatic's level, and I'm just talking about Nas's albums. There is no way in hell you can even say GRODT and carter II are even close to the same level as illmatic...

I might catch alot of grief for this but I really think that The Lost Tapes are Nas's second best album after Illmatic. Either way, the things you put in front of illmatic are frightening :eek: .

[sergiorodriguez]

the blackstar album, as well as reflections eternal, heck ok black star album, any talib kweli album and any mos def album are way overrated

[sergiorodriguez]

lol that's bull**** everything you said..
blueprint is Jay's best work with RD 2nd.
Illmatic not top 5?? name me albums u think are better plz...and seriously u considered on saying that streets disipline (nas' worst album) is on the level of Illmatic?
How old are u idiot?
have you ever heard Nastradamus man>?

[IInvented]

have you ever heard Nastradamus man>?

Nastradamas is a good album...

[sergiorodriguez]

Nastradamas is a good album...
no its not its the worse thing Nas ever put out even worse than streets disciple

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/33/MosDef&TalibKweliBlackStar.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_1x39FIlGrcY/SKr2pg0h4MI/AAAAAAAAAg4/O3zDvBKE82A/s320/Album-Reflection_Eternal-Train_of_Thought.jpg


http://www.kalamu.com/bol/wp-content/content/images/mos%20def%20both%20sides%20cover.jpg

http://yk28.cocolog-nifty.com/top/images/talib.jpg

http://static.midomi.com/a/pop/cov200/drf600/f691/200_f69105gjtm0.jpg

[Jackass18]

All of Jay-Z and Lil Wayne's overrated shit.

[ROCSteady]

http://image.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/GZA-LiquidSwords.jpg

those would be my nominations

U out of your damn mind. This album is as solid as they come.

[RedBlackAttack]

U out of your damn mind. This album is as solid as they come.
Starface hates GZA and all of his fans. Didn't you get that memo? We've gone at it several times in the past. His posting of Liquid Swords was inevitable.

[~primetime~]

any rap album created after the year 2000 that is thought "highly of" is overrated...

[Dasher]

any rap album created after the year 2000 that is thought "highly of" is overrated... :rolleyes: You constantly come into hip hop threads and say something to this effect. You have also stated over and over again that you have not actively listened to the music. How can you judge something that you have not listened to?

[Atomic DOG]

:rolleyes: You constantly come into hip hop threads and say something to this effect. You have also stated over and over again that you have not actively listened to the music. How can you judge something that you have not listened to?


actually i think we've reached a point where you could watch the videos for this stuff with the sound off, and confidently be able to say "Yes. I am positive this must suck."

[CasterL]

most overrated for me
the carter 1 2 and 3.
the game-the documentary
ice cube-all albums
jay-z-the blueprint
method man-tical
biggie-life after death

illmatic might not be your favourite album, but calling it overated is ridiculous. its the GOAT album for a reason, not just because a few people hype it up and the rest follow

[Dasher]

If that is the case then you and -prime- need to lay off the videos then. There are a lot of quality music out there, and cutting through the rubbish is not difficult at all.

[Fatal9]

*insert any Tupac album here*

[Kujo]

Kanye West - College Dropout

[phoenix18]

Kanye West - College Dropout
Nah. I was just bumping that yesterday.

[Sonic R]

Here is another that got alot of hype back in the days

[emsteez forreal]

http://www.kalamu.com/bol/wp-content/content/images/mos%20def%20both%20sides%20cover.jpg

how is this overrated?

[Maniak]

Nah. I was just bumping that yesterday.
Likewise.

Its a good album, I like it.

[KubiliusF]

Most of Jay-Z work. The only song i like from him is hardnock life

[Maniak]

Most of Jay-Z work. The only song i like from him is hardnock life
Wow...

Just...wow....

[GOBB]

Alot of people exposing themself as frauds of hip hop. I love it.

Anyway LOJ i agree bigtime with 2 of the 3 selections. I will say this tho I never knew too many give Talib 2nd album that kind of love. But if it is getting that kind of love? Definately would classify as overrated.

[GOBB]

I think all over Eminems albums are overrated. But thats just on the basis I could never get into his albums. He has songs that bang, blacks out lyrically. But he has too much goofy, lame shyt. I cant get into it, sorry.

I'll admit to never purchasing any of his albums.


Common's entire discography.

The Slim Shady LP

Illmatic

Scarface-The Fix

Blueprint

The Carter III(500 Degrees, and Carters I and II were all better)

Die

[Maniak]

I agree with GOBB 100% here.

Eminem is a kids rapper, hes just a nutball. The only songs I like is Stan and Lose Yourself....

[KubiliusF]

I agree with GOBB 100% here.

Eminem is a kids rapper, hes just a nutball. The only songs I like is Stan and Lose Yourself....

You call him a kid`s rapper , and most kids dont like any other song from him than Lose Yourself. :roll:

[big baller]

Most of Jay-Z work. The only song i like from him is hardnock life


:banghead: :banghead:

And I hate Jay-Z, yet I still respect all the hits he made...common now folks. Illmatic overrated? laughable.

[Ruslan`]

Kanye West - College Dropout

lol not even close. Its top 5 album of 00s

[KubiliusF]

:banghead: :banghead:

And I hate Jay-Z, yet I still respect all the hits he made...common now folks. Illmatic overrated? laughable.

he had a bigger hit world-wide than hardnock life? :wtf:

[big baller]

he had a bigger hit world-wide than hardnock life? :wtf:



But you said thats the only one, when really their are more great Jay-Z songs.

[ryantheporchkid]

Paul's Boutique

[Legend of Josh]

@ OP: i've never heard anyone claim those albums are classics. the monch album is clearly the best out of the three you listed: 'the truth', 'rape', 'simon says' and that joint with prince po are all banging, lyrically amazing (verging on classic) joints. 'queens' and 'the light' are also great.

Quality and Be are typically considered "classic" albums within the hip-hop community, especially Common's Be.

LOL @ v-unit's logic in Illmatic being a non-Top 5 hip-hop record.

[Legend of Josh]

anything from the South that isn't ATLiens.

No way dude. You're forgetting Eightball & MJG.

[thejumpa]

No way dude. You're forgetting Eightball & MJG.

and Scarface,Geto Boys,Three 6(I know yall were bumpin that),UGK,the rest of Outkast's albums,probably missing people..

[Legend of Josh]

the blackstar album, as well as reflections eternal, heck ok black star album, any talib kweli album and any mos def album are way overrated

Mos Def's Black On Both Sides is a near classic LP to me... but otherwise I agree fully with your assessment of the Black Star camp, and the Black Star album entirely. So many heads put that album so high on the pedestal, which is why it's overrated to me. A good maybe even great album, but not some "Top 10" hip-hop record. No way.

[Legend of Josh]

Nastradamas is a good album...

Again, very much against common opinion, but yes Nastradamus is a damn good album. One of the most underrated albums to date.

[Legend of Josh]

any rap album created after the year 2000 that is thought "highly of" is overrated...

One of the more moronic things you've ever stated, and wow that's a mouf full.

[Legend of Josh]

I agree with GOBB 100% here.

Eminem is a kids rapper, hes just a nutball. The only songs I like is Stan and Lose Yourself....

It took me a very, very long time to open up to Eminem... but there's no doubt that is one of the most talented emcees in any era of rap music. You can't deny his abilities.

Listen to Renegade and change your mindset.

[Dasher]

DieIf you don't mind I would like to keep on living. Calling Illmatic without a doubt the greatest album of all time is overrating it. OutKast by themselves have 3 albums that I would put ahead of it. Ice Cube has two. Dr.Dre has two, Ghostface has two etc.

Blueprint was aight, but it did not age well.

[GOBB]

I dont think he is clueless to Em's skills. He like myself wishes Em would cut that BS act out and spit like he does on Renegade. Like the notion is Em is talented, one of the best lyracist. Ok, now can we get that from him? Or do we gotta go thru more silly costumes, dissing r & b singers, pop acts and making fun of people. Shyts corny man. Laugh once ha ha, second time you're forcing a joke that really wasnt THAT funny to begin with.

Most artists grow up...Em hasnt. Why? Nas isnt spitting like he did on Illmatic for obvious reasons. Em is still doing the same lame BS. Imagine Jay Z making a song called "Hi my name is...my name is my name is...Jay Zeeeee! My bum is on Kelly Rowland lips My bum is on Kelly Rowland lips."

Come on man.

[StroShow4]

"I Am" >>> "Illmatic"?? Now I've seen everything.

[GOBB]

If you don't mind I would like to keep on living. Calling Illmatic without a doubt the greatest album of all time is overrating it. OutKast by themselves have 3 albums that I would put ahead of it. Ice Cube has two. Dr.Dre has two, Ghostface has two etc.

Blueprint was aight, but it did not age well.

From that perspective ok (illmatic album). 3 outkasts albums over it? I'm sorry, die! :oldlol:

[thejumpa]

HAHA^^^I think people know why Eminem hasn't grown up or why his style is still the same...........

[Dasher]

From that perspective ok (illmatic album). 3 outkasts albums over it? I'm sorry, die! :oldlol:Southernplayalistic, ATLiens, and Aquemini are better to me. If Nas was in the Dungeon Family Illmatic would only be the 6th best album they produced. East Pointe's Greatest Hits, Soul Food, and A SWAT Healing Ritual are all superior to Illmatic, thematically and sonically.

[Legend of Josh]

I dont think he is clueless to Em's skills. He like myself wishes Em would cut that BS act out and spit like he does on Renegade. Like the notion is Em is talented, one of the best lyracist. Ok, now can we get that from him? Or do we gotta go thru more silly costumes, dissing r & b singers, pop acts and making fun of people. Shyts corny man. Laugh once ha ha, second time you're forcing a joke that really wasnt THAT funny to begin with.

Most artists grow up...Em hasnt. Why? Nas isnt spitting like he did on Illmatic for obvious reasons. Em is still doing the same lame BS. Imagine Jay Z making a song called "Hi my name is...my name is my name is...Jay Zeeeee! My bum is on Kelly Rowland lips My bum is on Kelly Rowland lips."

Come on man.

Point taken, but if I were in Eminem's position I'd by lying if I said I'd put out a pure gritty underground type banger if it meant half the potential record sales. A lot of these rappers will try and front like it's not about the cash... trust me, it's all about the cash first and foremost.

[GOBB]

Southernplayalistic, ATLiens, and Aquemini are better to me. If Nas was in the Dungeon Family Illmatic would only be the 6th best album they produced. East Pointe's Greatest Hits, Soul Food, and A SWAT Healing Ritual are all superior to Illmatic, thematically and sonically.

:oldlol: Spoken like a southerner.

[Legend of Josh]

:oldlol: Spoken like a southerner.

Hey mang, I'm from the souf too... doesn't really make a difference.

[thejumpa]

I'm from Seattle and although Illmatic is a legendary album....I think those 3 Outkast albums have a shot at being better....maybe not Aquemini actually lol

Hell, Ridin Dirty was better than Illmatic IMO

[Dasher]

Aquemini is all gems. Return of The G, Chonkyfire, Slump, The Art of Storytelling(1&2), West Savannah, Liberation, and this gem:

SpottieOttieDopaliscious (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kTWkLj1_BI)

When I first met my SpottieOttieDopalicious Angel
I can remember that damn thing like yesterday
The way she moved reminded me of a Brown Stallion
horse with skates on smooth like a hot comb on nappy ass hair
I walked up on her & was almost paralyzed
her neck was smelling sweeter than a plate of yams with extra syrup
eyes beaming like four karats apiece just blindin' a *****
felt like I chiefed a whole O of that Presidential
My heart was beating so damn fast
never knowing this moment would bring another
life into this world

I also agree that Riding Dirty is better than Illmatic.

[Legend of Josh]

What's your opinion of Andre 3000 Dash?

Dude is total bite off of Kool Keith. Can't argue that. I read a magazine article way back in the day when Andre was asked about other rappers out there he felt was dope and Kool Keith was the first artist out his mouf. A few years later enter Andre 3000.

That's one thing you an GOBB can both agree on, that Kool Keith is doo-doo.

[Jackass18]

Most artists grow up...Em hasnt. Why? Nas isnt spitting like he did on Illmatic for obvious reasons. Em is still doing the same lame BS. Imagine Jay Z making a song called "Hi my name is...my name is my name is...Jay Zeeeee! My bum is on Kelly Rowland lips My bum is on Kelly Rowland lips."

Come on man.

Come on, man, Jay-Z did a Broadway song with little kids and a song where he says 'Money, Cash, Hoes' 300 times.

[Ruslan`]

lol @ outkast's 3 albums being better than Illmatic.
I've learned that speaking hip hop on ISH is not a good idea.

Illmatic = hip hop bible

[Legend of Josh]

Come on, man, Jay-Z did a Broadway song with little kids and a song where he says 'Money, Cash, Hoes' 300 times.

Actually "Money Cash Hos" is a dope track.

[NY Comeback]

That I can agree with. I loved Carter III, a bit indifferent with Carter II.
How can you love the Carter III, but not II? The Carter II is probably Wayne's best body of work(which isn't saying much, but still).

As far as overrated albums go? Something from Jay-Z, maybe the Blueprint...although I am completely biased when it comes to him...meh.

[v-unit]

LOL at everyone.

The album I Am was put in as shock value. Anyways, I can't stand Illmatic and I don't respect it just because it has decent lyrics. You need flow, beats, and swagger and he doesn't have that. It Written is definetly compareble, an unbiased Nas/Hip Hop fan could understand this (This does not include you, Ruslan)

Albums like Carter II and GRODT were put in because I liked them more then Illmatic. I respect them more because they are more complete (Lyrics, swagger, beats, flow, etc) then Illmatic. Lyrics alone doesn't get you anywhere.

As for you Jay-Z haters saying everything of his is shit and Nas is better...Well good luck to you arguing with the rest of the world.

[v-unit]

And the fact that I didn't listen to Pac/Biggie's full albums is fine as long as I don't talk about them (Which I'm not). Also, Ruslan, you should stop *********ing to Illmatic in this thread and leave, let the old boys talk. You're in grade 9/10, that's fine, go practise ball or something. Peace dowg.

[Legend of Josh]

LOL at everyone.

The album I Am was put in as shock value. Anyways, I can't stand Illmatic and I don't respect it just because it has decent lyrics. You need flow, beats, and swagger and he doesn't have that. It Written is definetly compareble, an unbiased Nas/Hip Hop fan could understand this (This does not include you, Ruslan)

Albums like Carter II and GRODT were put in because I liked them more then Illmatic. I respect them more because they are more complete (Lyrics, swagger, beats, flow, etc) then Illmatic. Lyrics alone doesn't get you anywhere.

As for you Jay-Z haters saying everything of his is shit and Nas is better...Well good luck to you arguing with the rest of the world.

First off, I Am is dope as fu*k. I think it's madly underrated. Why you trying to clown on the album now???

Secondly... you saying Nas didn't have "flow" on Illmatic??? That was where Nas was at his all time high lyrically as well as delivery and verbally. No brainer there.

:hammerhead:

v-unit no offense mang... you have a very long ways to go before your opinion will be respected around here. Keep contributing though...

[Ruslan`]

And the fact that I didn't listen to Pac/Biggie's full albums is fine as long as I don't talk about them (Which I'm not). Also, Ruslan, you should stop *********ing to Illmatic in this thread and leave, let the old boys talk. You're in grade 9/10, that's fine, go practise ball or something. Peace dowg.

lol ur a ****ing joke. U need to stop talking on hip hop cause u just expose urself more. Illmatic is the best album lyrically. Nothing comes close. Nas didn't have flow on that album? Are u serious? Go back and listen..
its one thing to hate the album as u said but its another to not respect it because u HATE it.
Old boys like urself? :rolleyes:
since when do old boys say they dont listen to Pac/Biggie and then claim they're hardcore rap fans? :oldlol:

take ur

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a188/light-boy20/funny%20pics/f4135f32e1ddc560aab16f58b33aee5b393.gif

and go away plz

[Ruslan`]

and btw Nas is my 4th fav rapper but I rank him as 2nd best...so u saying im biased towards him is irrelavant.

[lolwut]

Illmatic-
Obviously a great album, should be in everyones top 15 or so.
But it seems like there is a big group of people who think its bar none the greatest album ever.
Its definetly in my top 7 or so, but there is the chronic 2001 and all eyes on me are comparable. I don't think BlackStars album is too far off either.


It's thought of as the best hip hop album ever because it is.

Illmatic owns.

I swear every head that I actually respect and believe knows their **** ranks Illmatic as either the consensus number 1 or number 2 behind paid in full or ready to die.

Not saying everybody thinks it's the best, but no album is as widely regarded as the greatest.

[lolwut]

no its not its the worse thing Nas ever put out even worse than streets disciple

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/33/MosDef&TalibKweliBlackStar.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_1x39FIlGrcY/SKr2pg0h4MI/AAAAAAAAAg4/O3zDvBKE82A/s320/Album-Reflection_Eternal-Train_of_Thought.jpg


http://www.kalamu.com/bol/wp-content/content/images/mos%20def%20both%20sides%20cover.jpg



you fail incredibly hard

[v-unit]

Wow. Nice response :applause: I especially liked the kindergarden picture.

Anyways, I don't claim to be a "hardcore hip hop fan". Maybe hop off my tip? I don't think anyone here claims to be a hardcore hip hop fan, neither should considered so. You're just a little immature kid who doesn't know what is what yet in life and your geting riled up because someone on the internet doesn't like your favourite album.

Look at you, you're a mess. :(

[lolwut]

Southernplayalistic, ATLiens, and Aquemini are better to me. If Nas was in the Dungeon Family Illmatic would only be the 6th best album they produced. East Pointe's Greatest Hits, Soul Food, and A SWAT Healing Ritual are all superior to Illmatic, thematically and sonically.


if you hate raw lyricism, syntax, and ABAB @ its finest then sure

if you're big on AA then yeah go rock that dungeon family

[lolwut]

threads like these keep my ignore list healthy

toodles v-unit

[v-unit]

threads like these keep my ignore list healthy

toodles v-unit

Going to ignore me because I don't think Illmatic is the greatest? Win win situation then, no need for us to be talking if your going to cry about your opinion to a stranger.

[CasterL]

LOL at everyone.

The album I Am was put in as shock value. Anyways, I can't stand Illmatic and I don't respect it just because it has decent lyrics. You need flow, beats, and swagger and he doesn't have that. It Written is definetly compareble, an unbiased Nas/Hip Hop fan could understand this (This does not include you, Ruslan)
.

oh dear. ignorance exposed. illmatic has some of the sickest beats ever. premier, pete rock, large proffesor coming together with some of their best beats ever???

na no good beats on that album, should of got dj khaled on their instead.

the flow is awesome,

swagger???? SMH:no:

[lolwut]

this dude judges albums based on the following criteria

beats, flow, and swagger


really no need to continue reading any of that drivel

[CasterL]

swagger has to be the gayest slang word that hip hop culture ever invented.

[v-unit]

Damn fanatics. I already said Nas is a great and listed some of his albums yet people go ape shit because I don't stroke my **** to Illmatic?

[emsteez forreal]

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a188/light-boy20/funny%20pics/f4135f32e1ddc560aab16f58b33aee5b393.gif

:roll: :roll: at this ****in' gif

[phoenix18]

swagger has to be the gayest slang word that hip hop culture ever invented.
Well they didnt invent the word. But it has been over used.

[StroShow4]

Damn fanatics. I already said Nas is a great and listed some of his albums yet people go ape shit because I don't stroke my **** to Illmatic?

I think people are going apesh!t because you are making little sense in this thread. It's not so much that you don't stroke your c0ck to Illmatic, but it's your nonsensical reasoning as to why you don't stroke your c0ck to Illmatic that is bothering some folks.

[Styles p]

lol ur a ****ing joke. U need to stop talking on hip hop cause u just expose urself more. Illmatic is the best album lyrically. Nothing comes close. Nas didn't have flow on that album? Are u serious? Go back and listen..
its one thing to hate the album as u said but its another to not respect it because u HATE it.
Old boys like urself? :rolleyes:
since when do old boys say they dont listen to Pac/Biggie and then claim they're hardcore rap fans? :oldlol:

take ur

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a188/light-boy20/funny%20pics/f4135f32e1ddc560aab16f58b33aee5b393.gif

and go away plz
:roll: :roll: :roll: gif for the win epic lulz.

[v-unit]

I think people are going apesh!t because you are making little sense in this thread. It's not so much that you don't stroke your c0ck to Illmatic, but it's your nonsensical reasoning as to why you don't stroke your c0ck to Illmatic that is bothering some folks.

That's the thing with this site. No one can take another person's opinion on certain topics and Hip hop has taken over the OTC. No one can say they don't like Illmatic because of the ammount of people (Although insignificant in value) that LOVE Illmatic outnumber those who don't. I didn't even say it was ****, I just said it was overated and I have a 12 year old crying to me, another guy saying he wants to block me. I don't care what they do, but it just shows how low their lives must be to be so concerned about this album. That is something Blueprint/Marshall Mathers LP/etc can't create, a fan base that goes up and over on defending the album.

[StroShow4]

No one can take another person's opinion on certain topics

Yes, this is true with some people, but it doesn't help when the explanation you provide to back your opinion is pretty shaky. You claim that the beats on Illmatic are weak, and that Nas's flow isn't that great. When you say DJ Premier's best work isn't good and Nas at his best isn't flowing well, not many people are going to agree with you.

[lilyi]

raps suck overall, listen to manly music.

[KINGofTHEcourt]

http://www.aolcdn.com/ch_kids/wiggles-racing-rainbow-300.jpg

[KINGofTHEcourt]

The truth is that rap in general sucks. Only a handful have been any good. Bunch of synthesized ignorant bs. I doubt rap will still be popular in 20 years.

It'll be like disco where kids will mock the dances and sounds. then some of you will still be wearing your baggy clothes and stunna shades looking like fools

[Atomic DOG]

Calling Illmatic without a doubt the greatest album of all time is overrating it.


No it's not. Illmatic IS without a doubt the greatest album of all time.

If you made a checklist of qualities, if you made a formula similar to PER, if you basically state a given set of criteria and then measure albums up against it, Illmatic will come out on top. It's mathematically perfect.

Generally I'm the type of person who doesnt like to allow eras to effect greatness. Meaning, if something was monumental in one era, but not actually as good as something that came out 20 years later, I'm not gonna say it was greater just because it was a "pioneer" or better relative to its competition in an era.

But when you listen to Illmatic all the way through even today, it doesnt sound dated, which is remarkable. It stands up to any album. So when you take that into account, the fact that it was THE pinnacle of hip hop and literally set hip hop on the course we ultimately experienced in the 90's and even today, you have to give it the nod. It's no debating it.

[GOBB]

Come on, man, Jay-Z did a Broadway song with little kids and a song where he says 'Money, Cash, Hoes' 300 times.

:wtf:

I'm lost to what your point is. And using Annie for your song Hardknock life fits the concept. Not sure why that is being used here. It was a hood song speaking on the struggles. It fit the title of his album. It was the headliner of his famous rap tour.

Em has a song dissing Mariah Carey. Why? The guy hasnt been rapping for awhile. He comes back, drops an album and guess what? Same crap all over again. Nothing has changed from Em first album to now. Jay Z? Lots has changed. So i fail to see your argument.

[JtotheIzzo]

Paul's Boutique

Are you out of your mind? This is one of the best albums of all time in ANY genre (and there are 'all time' lists out there that agree)and it was about 8 years ahead of its time, the masses weren't ready for it, hence it gaining popularity year on year. If this sh*t drops in '97 instead of '89 and it is the Album of the Year. Even their style was ahead of it's time.
It was Dust Brothers best production effort by a long shot, and the samples were unrivaled at the time and still are now. The beats were dope and the lyrics are still fresh. End to end the album is pure gold.

can't hate this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIboNHA-f0k

[Maniak]

I knew this thread was going to turn out into a war with Illmatic, pretty much anything in the OTC about rap turns into this.

[lazerface]

Southernplayalistic, ATLiens, and Aquemini are better to me. If Nas was in the Dungeon Family Illmatic would only be the 6th best album they produced. East Pointe's Greatest Hits, Soul Food, and A SWAT Healing Ritual are all superior to Illmatic, thematically and sonically.

that's cool, you're entitled to your own opinion. but just so you know, you're the only person who honestly believes this.

[lolwut]

I knew this thread was going to turn out into a war with Illmatic, pretty much anything in the OTC about rap turns into this.


go to worldstar, or boxden in particular

literally jerking off to illmatic might not even be enough to convince everybody that you truly appreciate the record

illmatic is hip hop on god mode

[Maniak]

go to worldstar, or boxden in particular

literally jerking off to illmatic might not even be enough to convince everybody that you truly appreciate the record

illmatic is hip hop on god mode
The hell are you talking about?

[lolwut]

The hell are you talking about?


boxden is a hip hop mega forum/publication filled with militant hip hop heads and a few lames

[Maniak]

boxden is a hip hop mega forum/publication filled with militant hip hop heads and a few lames
I know what boxden is because Ive heard people talk about it, but what it has to do with what I posted I dont know....

[lolwut]

I know what boxden is because Ive heard people talk about it, but what it has to do with what I posted I dont know....


you said that this forum turns into a war over illmatic in these threads

I said if you think that happens here...you should see what happens elsewhere with Illmatic

that isn't hard to comprehend

[Maniak]

you said that this forum turns into a war over illmatic in these threads

I said if you think that happens here...you should see what happens elsewhere with Illmatic

that isn't hard to comprehend
Your post you made didnt make much sense to me...Thats why I couldnt get what you were saying....

[Ruslan`]

boxden is a hip hop mega forum/publication filled with militant hip hop heads and a few lames

u got account on boxden?

[v-unit]

Yes, this is true with some people, but it doesn't help when the explanation you provide to back your opinion is pretty shaky. You claim that the beats on Illmatic are weak, and that Nas's flow isn't that great. When you say DJ Premier's best work isn't good and Nas at his best isn't flowing well, not many people are going to agree with you.

I don't care if people disagree, I'm fine with that. I'm annoyed because people are crying because I don't like it. I don't like it and that's that, I don't care if the reason is the album cover sucked or whatever, some people just don't like certain things. They just can't accept it though and it's mang me:roll:

[Vragrant]

I honestly think Illmatic is one of the greatest albums of all time in any genre of music.

I think some of the younger posters here don't have an idea of how groundbreaking that album was. I mean when I first heard "The world is yours", I never anything like it. When I heard Nas say he's getting caught by the "devils lasso", or the "the mind activation/ react like I'm facing/ time like Pappy Mason /with words I'm embracing".

Rappers back then (aside from Rakim) just weren't saying things like that. Plus since hip hop has declined the album is even MORE monumental today.

[Jackass18]

:wtf:

I'm lost to what your point is. And using Annie for your song Hardknock life fits the concept. Not sure why that is being used here. It was a hood song speaking on the struggles. It fit the title of his album. It was the headliner of his famous rap tour.

Em has a song dissing Mariah Carey. Why? The guy hasnt been rapping for awhile. He comes back, drops an album and guess what? Same crap all over again. Nothing has changed from Em first album to now. Jay Z? Lots has changed. So i fail to see your argument.

You act like Jay is above doing comedy songs like Eminem, but Jay has done some cheesy shit. I don't get why you're criticizing Em for 'My Name Is'. It was a catchy song that got him remembered. It seems to me that it was a good way of introducing himself to the masses, and it worked. I really don't get why you give Em shit for that song while you defended that awful "Gettin' Jiggy wit It" song in the past. That song is all kinds of lame and cheesy.

[Kujo]

lol not even close. Its top 5 album of 00s

No way. I can't be the only one on these boards that think's this album was overrated. It was good. No where near the classic status many claim.

Imho, "Late Registration" is his best work. I won't argue with anybody that says "College Dropout" is Kanye's best album. It's really a toss up between these two. The rest of his solo catalog is mostly trash.

Anybody calling "Illmatic" overrated is crazy.

[lazerface]

You act like Jay is above doing comedy songs like Eminem, but Jay has done some cheesy shit. I don't get why you're criticizing Em for 'My Name Is'. It was a catchy song that got him remembered. It seems to me that it was a good way of introducing himself to the masses, and it worked. I really don't get why you give Em shit for that song while you defended that awful "Gettin' Jiggy wit It" song in the past. That song is all kinds of lame and cheesy.

gettin jiggy with it isn't jay-z, it's will smith. and there's nothing cheesy about hard knock life, that song is sick.

[Big Al All day]

this

i dont hate him, i just dont find his music entertaining. not any of his new songs at least.
really, damn i love jay z all the way up to the black album.

YOu don't even like reasonable doubt? shiiit thats a good ass album

[Jackass18]

gettin jiggy with it isn't jay-z, it's will smith.

I'm quite well aware of that.


and there's nothing cheesy about hard knock life, that song is sick.

It's cheesy to me. Different people find different things cheesy.

[Atomic DOG]

I'm quite well aware of that.



It's cheesy to me. Different people find different things cheesy.


LOL @ confusing Jigga with Getting Jiggy Wit It :roll:

and your opinions are stank.

[NotYetGreat]

Common's entire discography.

The Slim Shady LP

Illmatic

Scarface-The Fix

Blueprint

The Carter III(500 Degrees, and Carters I and II were all better)

Really? ENTIRE discography? Including One Day It'll All Make Sense, Finding Forever, and Resurrection? Really?

For me, probably Get Rich or Die Tryin'/ Maybe even "The Massacre". They were okay, but 4.5 stars is bit much, isn't it?

[Jackass18]

LOL @ confusing Jigga with Getting Jiggy Wit It :roll:

and your opinions are stank.

I never said Jigga did Gettin' Jiggy wit It...

[playtetris]

Really? ENTIRE discography? Including One Day It'll All Make Sense, Finding Forever, and Resurrection? Really?

For me, probably Get Rich or Die Tryin'/ Maybe even "The Massacre". They were okay, but 4.5 stars is bit much, isn't it?

'finding forever'? that album is hot garbage.

[RedBlackAttack]

I dont think he is clueless to Em's skills. He like myself wishes Em would cut that BS act out and spit like he does on Renegade. Like the notion is Em is talented, one of the best lyracist. Ok, now can we get that from him? Or do we gotta go thru more silly costumes, dissing r & b singers, pop acts and making fun of people. Shyts corny man. Laugh once ha ha, second time you're forcing a joke that really wasnt THAT funny to begin with.

Most artists grow up...Em hasnt. Why? Nas isnt spitting like he did on Illmatic for obvious reasons. Em is still doing the same lame BS. Imagine Jay Z making a song called "Hi my name is...my name is my name is...Jay Zeeeee! My bum is on Kelly Rowland lips My bum is on Kelly Rowland lips."

Come on man.


From that perspective ok (illmatic album). 3 outkasts albums over it? I'm sorry, die! :oldlol:

*You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to GOBB again.*

Excellent posts in this thread, GOBB. Good stuff.

[WoGiTaLiA1]

My top few would look like this...

1. All Biggie Albums - They were solid, with a couple of great tracks on each of them, but they really lacked consistency, especially in production.

2. Nas - Illmatic - Never got the hype, I wasn't around when it came out(at least listening to rap) but just never got it. Production was solid, Nas was solid but Nas himself has done better(Stillmatic and God's Son in particular) and I'm not even a huge Nas fan. For me Stillmatic and God's Son are both 8-9.5 range, Illmatic was a 7.

3. Mobb Deep - The Infamous - Don't get me wrong. Shook Ones and Survival are two of the best tracks ever. That out of the way, the rest of the album was weak. It's amazing how good the production is on those two compared to the rest of the album. It's a 2 track album with classic status.

4. Talib Kweli - Post Reflection Eternal - I think he gets overrated for being what is "right" about hip hop. He really hasn't had a great album since Hi Tek helped him, few dope songs, some great features, but nothing as consistently brilliant as RE. Again, good albums, like Illmatic they would all fall in that 7 range, but just not as good as he has shown.

5. Lil Wayne - Everything - Maybe I dont get it on him, but why the hype? His production is consistently poor, like really poor, he really says the same nothing over and over again in different ways, he has some clever lines, but I just dont get it. Weak production and weak lyrics yet he is #1 right now.

6. Dr Dre - The Chronic - Not that great, especially compared to 2001. Can pretty much put the illmatic comment here, same deal.

7. Jay-Z - All - Again, I don't see a classic in his work. Some great tracks but he also has consistently weak production. Not taking away from him as a rapper, some of his stuff is truly great but there is too much filler.

8. Ludacris - All - Hasn't made a dope album. Luda to me is the ultimate cameo man. I can't think of a song he features on that he doesn't murder it, every song that he sings one verse on it steals the show, regardless of who he is with, but when he has to do whole songs it doesn't work, Word of Mouf was good but everything else is just weak. May be the greatest "feat." artist ever though.

That will do me for now, there are obviously plenty of others, but those are the ones off the top of my head that stand out.

[WoGiTaLiA1]

How could I forget Kanye... I actually think he is a far better rapper than producer and he isn't a great rapper by any means.

He is another case of overrated for being different. I don't even count his latest album, that would be unfair on him. Again, he isnt awful, but to me his production defines average and his rapping is only a bit above.

Also, Common's early stuff was just unreal. Later stuff, not so much, but his early stuff is unquestionable for me.

[Jakez On Point11]

it takes a nation of millions to hold us back-public enemy

flavor flavs annoying and chuck ds overated

[Dasher]

Really? ENTIRE discography? Including One Day It'll All Make Sense, Finding Forever, and Resurrection? Really?

For me, probably Get Rich or Die Tryin'/ Maybe even "The Massacre". They were okay, but 4.5 stars is bit much, isn't it?Yes, all trash.

[Dasher]

if you hate raw lyricism, syntax, and ABAB @ its finest then sure

if you're big on AA then yeah go rock that dungeon familyYeah, a Dungeon Family that features 3Stacks, Big Boi, Killer Mike, and Ceelo is all about AA rhyme schemes. Yawn @ your sheepish opinions. Go back to boxden and parrot the consensus there.

[Jordandunk23]

all of wayne's albums are overrated... i mean its a decent listen but everything is basically a mixtape of random bars. but as far as a classic album goes he doesn't have one and will probably not ever get one... you can coun't the number of songs that may have actual meaning.

[Rasheed1]

My top few would look like this...

1. All Biggie Albums - They were solid, with a couple of great tracks on each of them, but they really lacked consistency, especially in production.

2. Nas - Illmatic - Never got the hype, I wasn't around when it came out(at least listening to rap) but just never got it. Production was solid, Nas was solid but Nas himself has done better(Stillmatic and God's Son in particular) and I'm not even a huge Nas fan. For me Stillmatic and God's Son are both 8-9.5 range, Illmatic was a 7.

3. Mobb Deep - The Infamous - Don't get me wrong. Shook Ones and Survival are two of the best tracks ever. That out of the way, the rest of the album was weak. It's amazing how good the production is on those two compared to the rest of the album. It's a 2 track album with classic status.

4. Talib Kweli - Post Reflection Eternal - I think he gets overrated for being what is "right" about hip hop. He really hasn't had a great album since Hi Tek helped him, few dope songs, some great features, but nothing as consistently brilliant as RE. Again, good albums, like Illmatic they would all fall in that 7 range, but just not as good as he has shown.

5. Lil Wayne - Everything - Maybe I dont get it on him, but why the hype? His production is consistently poor, like really poor, he really says the same nothing over and over again in different ways, he has some clever lines, but I just dont get it. Weak production and weak lyrics yet he is #1 right now.

6. Dr Dre - The Chronic - Not that great, especially compared to 2001. Can pretty much put the illmatic comment here, same deal.

7. Jay-Z - All - Again, I don't see a classic in his work. Some great tracks but he also has consistently weak production. Not taking away from him as a rapper, some of his stuff is truly great but there is too much filler.

8. Ludacris - All - Hasn't made a dope album. Luda to me is the ultimate cameo man. I can't think of a song he features on that he doesn't murder it, every song that he sings one verse on it steals the show, regardless of who he is with, but when he has to do whole songs it doesn't work, Word of Mouf was good but everything else is just weak. May be the greatest "feat." artist ever though.

That will do me for now, there are obviously plenty of others, but those are the ones off the top of my head that stand out.

in other words anything hot since 1994 is overrated

you think:

The chronic
Illmatic
Infamous
All Biggies stuff
All Jay Z stuff

is overrated :oldlol:

its soo ridiculous, its actually funny

[Black Joker]

Yeah, a Dungeon Family that features 3Stacks, Big Boi, Killer Mike, and Ceelo is all about AA rhyme schemes. Yawn @ your sheepish opinions. Go back to boxden and parrot the consensus there.
hey hey, no need to hate on the Box. although i gotta agree with you about the Dungeon fam.

[KoolKat]

Yeah, a Dungeon Family that features 3Stacks, Big Boi, Killer Mike, and Ceelo is all about AA rhyme schemes.

Indeed. Killer Mike is so underrated.

[Juges8932]

Anything Lil Wayne makes. Dude is the most overrated rapper I have ever seen. People claim him to be a lyrical master and that's so far from the truth. I mean he has some good songs and I enjoy some of his stuff, but people overrate him like a mother.

[Juges8932]

My top few would look like this...

1. All Biggie Albums - They were solid, with a couple of great tracks on each of them, but they really lacked consistency, especially in production.

2. Nas - Illmatic - Never got the hype, I wasn't around when it came out(at least listening to rap) but just never got it. Production was solid, Nas was solid but Nas himself has done better(Stillmatic and God's Son in particular) and I'm not even a huge Nas fan. For me Stillmatic and God's Son are both 8-9.5 range, Illmatic was a 7.

3. Mobb Deep - The Infamous - Don't get me wrong. Shook Ones and Survival are two of the best tracks ever. That out of the way, the rest of the album was weak. It's amazing how good the production is on those two compared to the rest of the album. It's a 2 track album with classic status.

4. Talib Kweli - Post Reflection Eternal - I think he gets overrated for being what is "right" about hip hop. He really hasn't had a great album since Hi Tek helped him, few dope songs, some great features, but nothing as consistently brilliant as RE. Again, good albums, like Illmatic they would all fall in that 7 range, but just not as good as he has shown.

5. Lil Wayne - Everything - Maybe I dont get it on him, but why the hype? His production is consistently poor, like really poor, he really says the same nothing over and over again in different ways, he has some clever lines, but I just dont get it. Weak production and weak lyrics yet he is #1 right now.

6. Dr Dre - The Chronic - Not that great, especially compared to 2001. Can pretty much put the illmatic comment here, same deal.

7. Jay-Z - All - Again, I don't see a classic in his work. Some great tracks but he also has consistently weak production. Not taking away from him as a rapper, some of his stuff is truly great but there is too much filler.

8. Ludacris - All - Hasn't made a dope album. Luda to me is the ultimate cameo man. I can't think of a song he features on that he doesn't murder it, every song that he sings one verse on it steals the show, regardless of who he is with, but when he has to do whole songs it doesn't work, Word of Mouf was good but everything else is just weak. May be the greatest "feat." artist ever though.

That will do me for now, there are obviously plenty of others, but those are the ones off the top of my head that stand out.

I just about agree with everything you said except for Ludacris. I think he is one of the best lyricists and kills it on sooo many songs. Like on the newest CD, Theater of the Mind; Undisputed, Wish You Would, Last of a Dying Breed are my favorites on it and there are a ton of sick lines.

[lolwut]

Yes, all trash.


your taste in music is ****ing horrible at best


substance wise, pattern wise

Common >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> breath >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one more breath >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>



plies, killer mike, dungeon family


you're ignore list material for anybody that's been listening to hip hop since before 2001

[Dasher]

your taste in music is ****ing horrible at best


substance wise, pattern wise

Common >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> breath >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one more breath >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>



plies, killer mike, dungeon family


you're ignore list material for anybody that's been listening to hip hop since before 2001LOL. Common is and has been hot garbage for the majority of his career. There are layers in Dungeon Family albums that the average listener can not pick up because they rap almost entirely in code. Please kill yourself. You supposed knowledge is entirely suspect, and you are getting drawn in by the kufis that rappers like Common wear. If you have to scratch your head to decode Common's metaphors, you are dense. Common's rhyme patters are elementary, and even The Dungeon Families most simplistic rappers, like Big Gipp and Cool Breeze, are at minimum his equal, and generally his superiors.

Oooh an herb is threatening to put me on ignore. Self-ether little man.

[Black Joker]

your taste in music is ****ing horrible at best


substance wise, pattern wise

Common >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> breath >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one more breath >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>



plies, killer mike, dungeon family


you're ignore list material for anybody that's been listening to hip hop since before 2001
seriously? wow. i like Common, but to say something like that is simply ridiculous

[lolwut]

LOL. Common is and has been hot garbage for the majority of his career. There are layers in Dungeon Family albums that the average listener can not pick up because they rap almost entirely in code. Please kill yourself. You supposed knowledge is entirely suspect, and you are getting drawn in by the kufis that rappers like Common wear. If you have to scratch your head to decode Common's metaphors, you are dense. Common's rhyme patters are elementary, and even The Dungeon Families most simplistic rappers, like Big Gipp and Cool Breeze, are at minimum his equal, and generally his superiors.

Oooh an herb is threatening to put me on ignore. Self-ether little man.




ROFLLLLLLLLLLLL @ your horrible taste in music

I understand Common's metaphors line for line...thankfully they're not written in "code". They're written in english, proper syntax and impeccable ABAB about 99% of the time.


you peddle in AA and horrible substance. You thrive on it. Your taste in hip hop lyricism is god awful. You should stop posting in any hip hop threads.

go back to listening to complete and utter garbage such as....



But get dropped off wit them goons late night
We gone dug off wit them choppas and sit tight
Lay right in yo bushes until you come back
And when we finish them crackas gone have to put you on ice
***** jumpin up out them bushes ain't nothin nice
We gone throw some **** but ain't gone be rice



ROFLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

man plies just killed that ****!

asjkhfsdkjfhsdkjhfsdkjhfsdhahahahahahahahahahhahah ahahahahahahaaha


hold on it gets better



Got on my monkey suit layin in this wet grass
Got me hot ***** I wanna give it to you bad
Soon as you turn up in this ***** we puttin it on yo ass
**** ****** that run they mouths don't last
Me and my goons don't argue ***** we toe tag
You ain't do it right them crackas gone bring them body bags
Wanna see what you do when you see that ski mask
Want see you smile for that yoppa when you see it flash



wait there's more garbage the entire album is riddled with it



Before I kiss ya or make love to ya I wanna touch
Can you please face the wall you bout to get strip searched
My hands talkin to me they want now what's under yo skirt
Let me be the one who do the honors and help you wit yo shirt
My hands don't like to be unemployed they like to work



:lol :lol :roll: :roll: :roll:



*vomits*

buttcrack

hair

crumbs


I'm not threatening to put you on ignore. I'm ignoring everything you ever say about hip hop because it's beyond clear you have a fixation with AA structure, secret code (read: nonsense), and Plies


hahahahaahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahhahahhahah ahahahahahfhsdkjfhsdkfds holy **** it's hard to breathe

I mean I figure ISH wouldn't be the best place for hip hop heads to congregate, but you can't enter a thread about good music without somebody literally saying Plies made one of the best records of the decade.

the same guy that can't get critical acclaim from the soulja boy section of the single largest community of actual hip hop heads on the internet.

[lolwut]

seriously? wow. i like Common, but to say something like that is simply ridiculous


apart from ceelo and the occasional killer mike guest spot rape you're looking at AA trash in "code"

code meaning non sequitur trash made up entirely to rhyme

but it's abstract right?

roflz

[Dasher]

LOL. The Plies issue was settled awhile ago. You don't know what you are talking about. Bringing him up in a debate about Dungeon Family vs. Common is a fallacy. Two fallacies in fact. It represents both a straw man and a red herring. Dungeon Family songs are filled with abstract references to Moorish Sci Temple Code, Egyptology, and the occult, but I don't expect a person who has a hard time wrapping his mind around both Plies and Aesop Rock to understand anything.

[lolwut]

LOL. The Plies issue was settled awhile ago. You don't know what you are talking about. Bringing him up in a debate about Dungeon Family vs. Common is a fallacy. Two fallacies in fact. It represents both a straw man and a red herring. Dungeon Family songs are filled with abstract references to Moorish Sci Temple Code, Egyptology, and the occult, but I don't expect a person who has a hard time wrapping his mind around both Plies and Aesop Rock to understand anything.



there's nothing fallacious about bringing Plies into the primary argument which is your taste for hip hop revolves around single syllable garbage or another syllable every other bar

you think he made something that's great...instead when broken down and checked for any semblance of substance, syntax, or complex structure you're left looking at ABSOLUTE TRASH

it's so wack it's disgusting

there's NOTHING hard to understand about Plies. NOTHING. It's as simple as can possibly be...simple minded drivel.

certified garbage.

[Dasher]

there's nothing fallacious about bringing Plies into the primary argument which is your taste for hip hop revolves around single syllable garbage or another syllable every other bar

you think he made something that's great...instead when broken down and checked for any semblance of substance, syntax, or complex structure you're left looking at ABSOLUTE TRASH

it's so wack it's disgustingThe point is that Common is not complex at all. He himself is incredibly wack. His image gives him a pass from wannabe intellectuals like yourself. Rapping is not all about rhyme schemes. Just because someone can play an instrument fast, does not make them a compelling artist. You strike me as a person who can not detect nuance unless it is spoonfed to him. A person with an advanced musical pallet would have been able to listen to Plies and appreciates what he brings to the table artisticly, and not fall back on what he learned about rhyme patterns in 12th grade English class. You are so herbish you are basil.

[lolwut]

The point is that Common is not complex at all. He himself is incredibly wack. His image gives him a pass from wannabe intellectuals like yourself. Rapping is not all about rhyme schemes. Just because someone can play an instrument fast, does not make them a compelling artist. You strike me as a person who can not detect nuance unless it is spoonfed to him. A person with an advanced musical pallet would have been able to listen to Plies and appreciates what he brings to the table artisticly, and not fall back on what he learned about rhyme patterns in 12th grade English class. You are so herbish you are basil.

I'm sure there will be typos I'm on my iPhone and it autofills. Just as an aside...

More of the same trash from dasher.





You have convinced yourself that plies is full of these subtle nuances that only highly tuned ears can detect, but when you actually delve into the man's writing you immediately find out that you're full of **** and plies have never even heard of syntax and obviously believes that AA rhyme patterns didn't go the way of the dinosaur in 1989. Are you mad that when confronted with his actual writings it's clear the man cannot perform lyrically at all?

I could sit here all day and list horrible verse after horrible verse from mr. Plies.

You strike me as somebody that has no idea what goes into constructing impeccable syntax or complex rhyme strucuture so you spend all your time arguing that your pallet is delicate and nobody else gets the nuances.

Basically the largest hip hop community on the Internet has NOBODY that picks up on the "brilliant nuance" plies displays because every objective journalist AND fan has spun Plies and immediately noticed that his patterns are horrible, his substance is HORRID save for maybe 2 tracks per album and he's nothing more than a pop act MC that blends perfectly with artists like Trey songz, soulja boy, oj da juiceman, and every other MC that can't construct a complex verse period.


bad substance, Trey songz, horribe strucuture and you've got a wack MC. Thankfully the entire hip hop world had Plies pegged from the beginning and his reputation has been diminished to the point that the only argument his simplended supporters can muster is "you aren't picking up on nuancessssssssss1!1!1!"


ROFL what a sad, sad argument.

[Dasher]

The largest internet community on the internet's opinion holds the same weight to me as any random stray on the street. You are using another fallacy. The bandwagon approach. You should just admit that you are ignorant on the subject of MCing, as the only thing you seem to be able to wrap your mind around is syntax and rhyme structure only. Mic presence, emotion, and the rawness that made the artform loved around the world matters little to you, and that is understandable.

[lazerface]

http://chickencrap.com/images/2977.jpg

[lolwut]

The largest internet community on the internet's opinion holds the same weight to me as any random stray on the street. You are using another fallacy. The bandwagon approach. You should just admit that you are ignorant on the subject of MCing, as the only thing you seem to be able to wrap your mind around is syntax and rhyme structure only. Mic presence, emotion, and the rawness that made the artform loved around the world matters little to you, and that is understandable.


objective aspects of songwriting > completely subjective aspects of performance

not that Plies excels at ANY of it.

[Dasher]

objective aspects of songwriting > completely subjective aspects.Those aspects of songwriting that you claim are objective are themselves subjective.

[Enigmatism]

Just about everything that has come out in the past 10 years

[BlazersDozen]

[Verse 1:]
Good evening,
My name's Mr. Bullet
I respond to the index when you pull it, the trigger
So make a note, take a vote
Quick man, nickname's Quaker Oates 'cause
Whether domestic violence or coke deals
See how less has changed brain matter to oatmeal
And when I kill kids they say shame on me
Who the **** told you to put they names on me?
White man made me venom to eliminate
Especially when I'm in the hood, I never discriminate
Just get in 'em, then I renovate
Flesh, bone, ain't nothing for me to penetrate
And it can happen so swiftly
One false move might just shift me
If I'm in-lodged and your soul's not claimed
I'll remind that ass when it's about to rain like

[Chorus]

[Verse 2:]
Would the new method of murder be arson or firebombs?
If the cost of a single bullet was more than the firearm
Strange that is, when all exists are final
Point blank range that is
My attitude is cold and callus
Killed Kings in Tennessee
Presidents in Dallas
And if the past be known, at last we know
What happened that afternoon on the Grassy Knoll
It's what made a widow of Jackie O.
The government hired Lee Harvey to blast me though
Fatality shot entered from the right temple
Was not fired from a six-story window
Can it be that it was all so simple,
But yet remains so painful to rekindle
I come through your city I'm hot
Whether you're jiggy or not
Whether your Biggie or 'Pac
"When the Gun Draws"

GTFO w/ PM is overrated.

[lolwut]

Those aspects of songwriting that you claim are objective are themselves subjective.


rhyme patterns are as objective as biology

here's a nice excerpt from rap.about that sums up Plies' prowess very well


His is a brainless brand of rap, mostly devoid of relevancy or coherent thought. His mouthy sound, which accomplishes a perpetual howling of verse even in its most discreet form, is effective -that point is inarguable. But too often it's marginalized by bumbling attempts at elicit description ("Take your time gettin' undressed, while I take the diamonds off my neck, 'cause I'm finna get in yo chest") or redundant Goon rhetoric. (See: Every song)

His want for lyricism is an impediment no number of auto-tuned Billboard-toppers can supplement -- you can only rhyme "wet" with "undressed" so many times, you know.

[Dasher]

rhyme patterns are as objective as biology

here's a nice excerpt from rap.about that sums up Plies' prowess very wellAgain you go to the opinions of someone else. Rhyme patterns do not necessarily equal quality. They are neutral, and do not automatically qualify or disqualify a song from being good or bad.

Biology was also not a good analogy.

[lolwut]

Again you go to the opinions of someone else. Rhyme patterns do not necessarily equal quality. They are neutral, and do not automatically qualify or disqualify a song from being good or bad.

Biology was also not a good analogy.


It's a concrete analogy as both principles are objectively confounded upon by man ad infinitum...and have been for literally centuries.

secondly, rhyme patterns dictate the complexity within the songwriting, however the songwriting should be balanced with substance to the material...which is of course subjective

however, I like to listen to complex lyricism because bubble gum AA patterns were cool right around the time Sugarhill gang was on top

if this were 1986 Plies would still be considered an average MC. He's a joke. He's not complex and his substance shines on 1 track per record? 2 tops.

The rest? Bubble gum raps like....


Already told ya dawg, I'm a button ya ass
***** sizing me dawg, something I will not have
Swear to god on a stack of bibles, I'm off ya ass
**** around with me, you gone get that **** bag


he writes garbage...

how could anybody sit down, write that, and think "well this is a finished stanza...this deserves to be put to song."

[Dasher]

Rhyme patterns are nothing but a formula. Words can be fit into them with ease. You prefer contemporary rappers who only paint by number, who in reality are nothing special. Plies is a folk rap genius.

As for substance:
Rich Folk(Issues of Class)
1 Day, Thug Section, Die Together(Loss of Loved Ones)
Sh*t Bag(Revenge)
#1 Fan(Love)
Bussit Baby I and II(Complicated Romantic Entanglements)
Dat B*tch(The Spoils of Success)
Feel Like F*ckin, Please Excuse My Hands(Lust)

[lolwut]

Rhyme patterns are nothing but a formula. Words can be fit into them with ease. You prefer contemporary rappers who only paint by number, who in reality are nothing special. Plies is a folk rap genius.

As for substance:
Rich Folk(Issues of Class)
1 Day, Thug Section, Die Together(Loss of Loved Ones)
Sh*t Bag(Revenge)
#1 Fan(Love)
Bussit Baby I and II(Complicated Romantic Entanglements)
Dat B*tch(The Spoils of Success)
Feel Like F*ckin, Please Excuse My Hands(Lust)

ROFLLLLLLLLLLL genius

this guy called Plies a genius

formulas = objective.

There is nothing genius about ANY of these songs.

here are excerpts from this supposed genius and his great tracks just to give everybody an idea about what you have to come up with to be considered a genius in the eyes of Dasher


Try me I bet I leave yo ass in a pamper
First ***** get outta line I'm makin an example
Thinkin bout tryin me, you better go an cancel
Kill one of you ***** ******, that's my final answer
Have you pissin and ****tin in the same bag *****
Set yo ass on fire with this fo' *****
Spec the room where I'mma leave yo ass stank *****
And ain't leavin that house if I ain't got my pistol
Keep playin you gonna get yo mutha****in issue
****in with the wrong ***** get yo ass crippled
Come from under my shirt shoot straight missiles
Make you a part of that **** bag family *****


this takes horrible to new heights.

hold on let's delve deeper into the exploits of this genius


If I wasn't married to the streets, it would be you
Your lips, what make you so cute
Love when you poke yo mouth when u mad to,
Save yo numba in muh fone under lil boo
Like yo sex, but more in love with wat u do,
Turn me on how you stare at me when we thru

man that sounds like a really complicated romantic entanglement he's got there, really deep stuff Plies, soulful, deep stuff


aAHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAH

to make matters worse...you're reading this right...Plies rhymed

you with cute
too with boo

and

do with through

i mean really?

there's no nuances, no subtleties that people are missing

it's pure, unadulterated GARBAGE.


he rhymed PISTOL with ISSUE

[Dasher]

Printing rap lyrics does not really prove anything. You keep doing it, and have yet to prove a point.


he rhymed PISTOL with ISSUE
That is what makes him an interesting MC.

[lolwut]

Printing rap lyrics does not really prove anything. You keep doing it, and have yet to prove a point.


That is what makes him an interesting MC.


I'm proving my point in every post.

I've got you pinned down to ad hominem and "nuances from your delicate pallet"

ROFLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

when confronted with the awful songwriting you're left with nothing but "he's emotional! he has mic presence! I think, I don't really know what mic presence means because nobody really knows what mic presence means they just like certain voices speaking loudly"

that doesn't make him interesting, that makes him extremely lacking in talent

more genius quotables


I got a stack in every pocket, pistol on waist, liquor in my hand, no smile on my face, hand fulla dat ****, I'm finna throw away, finna ball, been countin money all day, lil boy move, big boy finna play

nice social commentary plies, you really wrote something worth listening to!

this same garbage hasn't been repeated by every pop act MC since 1980 anyway!

[Dasher]

I'm proving my point in every post.

I've got you pinned down to ad hominem and "nuances from your delicate pallet"

ROFLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

when confronted with the awful songwriting you're left with nothing but "he's emotional! he has mic presence! I think, I don't really know what mic presence means because nobody really knows what mic presence means they just like certain voices speaking loudly"

that doesn't make him interesting, that makes him extremely lacking in talent

more genius quotables



nice social commentary plies, you really wrote something worth listening to!

this same garbage hasn't been repeated by every pop act MC since 1980 anyway!You haven't really done anything, but post lyrics and type trash in all caps. You already backtracked from your Dungeon Family statements, by adding qualifiers, and introduced unnecessary straw men like Lil Flip;an artist I never brought up in the first place. You bringing up Lil Flip, further proved my point of your ear leaving a lot to be desired. Flip and Plies are artists who aren't similar in the least. They bring completely different styles to the game.

[bret tha ripper]

http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/080623/jay-z-blueprint_l.jpg

Its good, but not the masterpiece many claim.

Also

http://a.abcnews.com/images/Entertainment/ht_life_after_death_090112_ssv.jpg
your joking right???

[OzGriffin]

I might catch alot of grief for this but I really think that The Lost Tapes are Nas's second best album after Illmatic. Either way, the things you put in front of illmatic are frightening :eek: .

I agree...

Illmatic
Lost Tapes
Stillmatic
It Was Written
Iam




All the rest.

[Lamar Doom]

first off, Dasher and lolwut are having this passionate heated debate trying to "disprove" each other's tastes. hilarious. "F*ck naw dog, the stuff I like is better than the stuff you like" ---- "No way MORON, the stuff I like is better, AA < ABAB < AAC AB and that's real talk"


seriously though Dash if you don't like Resurrection there's something wrong with you :) There were a few overly-righteous-misses on "One Day..." but you don't like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHcHUeuV5to) or this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOWBPzXDV38)?



okay, over rated rap albums....


Reasonable Doubt - honestly the Black Album was the first really great Jay Z album to me, and I know the jigga heads hate hearing that but I can't believe when Reasonable Doubt gets called a classic

Love Below/Speakerbox -I f*cking love Outkast, I have been down with them since before some of you were born, but these albums aren't as good as the hype they got

The Carter - whatever the big Li'l Wayne album was called. I'm not even willing to say "he has a couple good tracks", I straight up don't understand how this is popular music. Nobody has made me feel old more than Li'l Wayne, I don't get, no melody, no flow, no lyrics, just generic hip hop generation b.s.

[White Chocolate]

Every 50 Cent album with the exception of his debut. His debut was good, but everything after, especially The Massacre, was horribly overrated.

[TheAnchorman]

Carter III was alright, but for it get the praise and awards it has won? Not even close. Illmatic was also pretty good, but same thing with Carter III; overhyped. Plus it is too short for my tastes, I can't enjoy it as long.

For the people who think Life After Death is overrated, I guess that is true to an extent. It's probably because of that album's attempt to crossover to a more mainstream genre, which it was vastly successful in doing so. It lost a little bit of its "thug appeal" so it probably turned off a couple of fan bases since it didn't have more songs about crack cocaine, guns and gangstas. But imo although it's not as good as Ready to Die it still deserved its praises, a damn good combination of poppy sound and gritty beats that had a much wider appeal.

[darius15]

The Carter - whatever the big Li'l Wayne album was called. I'm not even willing to say "he has a couple good tracks", I straight up don't understand how this is popular music. Nobody has made me feel old more than Li'l Wayne, I don't get, no melody, no flow, no lyrics, just generic hip hop generation b.s.

Who the **** thinks highly of this album other than suburban teens who think they're cool?

[Thugnificent]

I love that "Be," "Tical," "College Dropout" and "Black on both sides" were mentioned.
Common is probably the most overrated rapper ever. Meth is one of my favorite mcs, but he mostly shines when featured on someone's track. Kanye is wack as a rapper, his beats are good though. And Mos Def? Come on, 4-5 good tracks and the rest of the album is awful (especially "Brooklyn" and "Rock and Roll.")

[bence23]

When I read the thread title this is the first album that came to my mind
c/s

AEOM is THE most overrated album ever. nothing but filler

[Lamar Doom]

c/s

AEOM is THE most overrated album ever. nothing but filler


I think 2pac in general is insanely over rated (turns up top 5 in almost every "greatest emcee" publication i've seen) but i thought All Eyez on Me was bar none his best album(s) with Me Against the World an obvious 2nd. 2pacalypse and Strictly are horrible albums to me as well as all the posthumously released material that i've heard. All Eyez on me definitely has a lot of skippable tracks but in general I think his flow is the most polished and the production about as good as death row got and definitely the best he ever had.


uccm (http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/4466/43513834.jpg) <-lyrically not the most profound track on the double disc but I always thought this track was a banger

[AmoebaD]

I love that "Be," "Tical," "College Dropout" and "Black on both sides" were mentioned.
Common is probably the most overrated rapper ever. Meth is one of my favorite mcs, but he mostly shines when featured on someone's track. Kanye is wack as a rapper, his beats are good though. And Mos Def? Come on, 4-5 good tracks and the rest of the album is awful (especially "Brooklyn" and "Rock and Roll.")


I think this is an honest assessment of the first 3. Common has lil replay value at all especially the aforementioned. I never understood the reverence people have for Tical, that was one of the most, for me the most, overrated albums in the Wu catalog, and you are exactly right about his guest spots. I agree on Kanye, but that Mos debut is classic in my eyes, it is more than 4-5 good tracks, and those "good" are more on the lines of excellent. Even if Mos has never completed a masterful 10/10, since this is his best work I feel like it is far from overrated.

But definitely, Meth on all of the early Wu steals the show. Now, not so much.

[Thugnificent]

I used to love "BOBS" when it came out, but nowadays I only occasionally listen to:
Hip Hop
Ms. Fat Booty
Umi Says
Climb
Mr. *****

I understand that for some people it's a certified classic and I don't say that it is a bad album. It just isn't as good as people tend to think.

[Hoodlum Science]

*Bumped for accuracy*

Anything by J.Cole.

[christian1923]

Gkmc

[iggy>]

Carter 2 is a classic. From front to back I dont think I ever skip a track. If we're talkin wayne, carter 1 and carter 3 are way more overrated imo. His most underrated album has to be im not a human being part 1.

[Bano114]

Gkmc

Easily the best album to come out in a long time.

[TheMarkMadsen]

http://image.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/GZA-LiquidSwords.jpg
http://a0.vox.com/6a00b8ea0716781bc000c2251c1f30549d-500pi


those would be my nominations

Go fck yourself :cheers:

[Scholar]

The Slim Shady LP - Eminem
I used to love this album. Now I think it's Eminem's worst album not titled Encore. Almost every song is just him showing his lyrical skills with 0 substance. There are only a few songs worth replaying; the rest are only good for an occasional kickback to appreciate the lyricism.

Good Kid, M.A.A.D City - Kendrick Lamar
I bought this album a few days ago on iTunes and I regret it so much. What a waste of $. I'm from the West Coast, so please believe Kendrick is kind of like a big deal around these parts. I purchased this album after months of hearing friends, co-workers, etc., talk about how great it is. To be frank, only the singles that went nationwide on the radio are worthy of a listen. Like Em's TSSLP, this album showcases Kendrick's elite level lyricism, but pretty much every song is about a whole lot of nothing. He'll share stories of life in the SoCal ghettos, sure, but after a few tracks it became obvious to me that Kendrick really had nothing to talk about. And the two songs featuring Dr. Dre are just :facepalm -worthy. All that studio money forked over to the Almighty D-R-E and just lousy beats with decent rhyming to show for it.

The R.E.D Album - The Game
I've always thought The Game was one of those rappers who can't make an album without guest starring multiple artists on multiple tracks, but Game took it to a new level with this. I think of the ~22 songs on this album, he only did 5 without featuring someone else... And those were easily the 5 worst in there. On top of that, he uses the same tired subject matter as always: Compton, cruising in SoCal while paying homage to rap legends, and gang life. He'll mention Blood affiliation so much that it seems like he's just trying to convince himself that money hasn't changed him. Then he HAS to name drop everyone in the industry. He'll praise everyone about everything. It gets irritating.

[Fresh Kid]

nothing was tha same
magna carta holy fail
take care
and many otherz...
rap today iz overrated meaning everything that iz mainstream

[christian1923]

Easily the best album to come out in a long time.
I like some songs but you saying that is what makes it overrated lol

[Budadiiii]

If a rap album is commonly thought highly of then it can't possibly be overrated. It's impossible.

Just because you don't personally like a certain album it does not mean that album is overrated, it just means you're a dumbass. Don't like Illmatic? You're a dumbass. Don't like GKMC? You're a dumbass. Don't like the Chronic? You're a dipshit loser.

Get over yourselves. None of these albums are overrated. Just a bunch of dumbasses with poor taste in this thread.

[TheMarkMadsen]

The Slim Shady LP - Eminem
I used to love this album. Now I think it's Eminem's worst album not titled Encore. Almost every song is just him showing his lyrical skills with 0 substance. There are only a few songs worth replaying; the rest are only good for an occasional kickback to appreciate the lyricism.

Good Kid, M.A.A.D City - Kendrick Lamar
I bought this album a few days ago on iTunes and I regret it so much. What a waste of $. I'm from the West Coast, so please believe Kendrick is kind of like a big deal around these parts. I purchased this album after months of hearing friends, co-workers, etc., talk about how great it is. To be frank, only the singles that went nationwide on the radio are worthy of a listen. Like Em's TSSLP, this album showcases Kendrick's elite level lyricism, but pretty much every song is about a whole lot of nothing. He'll share stories of life in the SoCal ghettos, sure, but after a few tracks it became obvious to me that Kendrick really had nothing to talk about. And the two songs featuring Dr. Dre are just :facepalm -worthy. All that studio money forked over to the Almighty D-R-E and just lousy beats with decent rhyming to show for it.

The R.E.D Album - The Game
I've always thought The Game was one of those rappers who can't make an album without guest starring multiple artists on multiple tracks, but Game took it to a new level with this. I think of the ~22 songs on this album, he only did 5 without featuring someone else... And those were easily the 5 worst in there. On top of that, he uses the same tired subject matter as always: Compton, cruising in SoCal while paying homage to rap legends, and gang life. He'll mention Blood affiliation so much that it seems like he's just trying to convince himself that money hasn't changed him. Then he HAS to name drop everyone in the industry. He'll praise everyone about everything. It gets irritating.


Yikes got to disagree heavily on your take of the slim shady LP. The only thing I agree with you on the amazing lyricism.

97 Bonnie & Clyde- is a classic track and it's lyrically one of the worst if not the worst song on the album. But it told a deranged story that is oddly layered and just plain creepy. Gets creepier with every listen.

If I had- again not a lyricall masterpiece but a side of eminems story telling that we never got to see after this album, being dead broke and wishing/day dreaming for things to turn around.

Rock Bottom- same as above, if you ever think you've hit rock bottom or are just going through something hard, this song was for you.

I list those 3 songs b/c they are lyrically weak but carry a deeper meaning.

Then you have songs like As The World Turns & Brain damage with amazin lyricism and story telling coupled with tracks like Role Model, Still don't give a **** & Bad meets Evil, *** on everybody that lyrically are on point with any eminem song and feature his comical sadistic story telling.

Ya TSSLP def a classic, an updated/better produced version of the slim shady ep minus a few songs. This album has a little of everything for a fan of eminem. And IMO his best radio single.. My name is

[ace23]

MCHG (all of Jay's albums tbh)
The Chronic
It's Dark and Hell is Hot