What wil Shaq and LeBron averages be next season?

[PleezeBelieve]

LeBron: 27/7/8 51%

Shaq: 15/8/3.5 58%


Sounds good, right? Well if this is the case, Cavs will win 73 games next season. I really don't hoow this can be refuted. Shaq will need only 10-12 a game to get those averages. Basically Cleveland will CAKEWALK through the regular season.

And if you doubt what I'm saying, you really don't understand how weak Z was last year. Cavs had no post presense the entire season. Z was basically a PF more than center. He provided just adequate defensive presense.

And the Cavs STILL won 66 games.

Book what I say.

[KubiliusF]

Pau gasol > Shaq ; Kobe > Lebron

[phoenix18]

Shaq:20/10/6 60%
Lebron:30/6/7 48%
With three shooters on the floor, assists will come like a bridge to water.

[plowking]

Shaq... averaging 6 assists for a season?

I'll eat my left nut if that happens.

[1~Gibson~1]

Points / Rebounds / Assists

LeBron: 26 / 7 / 8

Shaq: 15 / 8 / ???

[NuggetsFan]

Shaq:20/10/6 60%
Lebron:30/6/7 48%
With three shooters on the floor, assists will come like a bridge to water.

Shaq 20\10\6\60% :eek: Don't see that one happening.

[1~Gibson~1]

Shaq... averaging 6 assists for a season?

I'll eat my left nut if that happens.there better be a vid or it aint happen

[plowking]

LeBron: 27/7/8 51%

Shaq: 15/8/3.5 58%


Sounds good, right? Well if this is the case, Cavs will win 73 games next season. I really don't hoow this can be refuted. Shaq will need only 10-12 a game to get those averages. Basically Cleveland will CAKEWALK through the regular season.

And if you doubt what I'm saying, you really don't understand how weak Z was last year. Cavs had no post presense the entire season. Z was basically a PF more than center. He provided just adequate defensive presense.

And the Cavs STILL won 66 games.

Book what I say.

Just like how they were going to beat Orlando three straight games, right?

[west]

LeBron: 27/7/8 51%

Shaq: 15/8/3.5 58%


Sounds good, right? Well if this is the case, Cavs will win 73 games next season. I really don't hoow this can be refuted. Shaq will need only 10-12 a game to get those averages. Basically Cleveland will CAKEWALK through the regular season.

And if you doubt what I'm saying, you really don't understand how weak Z was last year. Cavs had no post presense the entire season. Z was basically a PF more than center. He provided just adequate defensive presense.

And the Cavs STILL won 66 games.

Book what I say.
*Bookmarked*

[mongePR(kb24)]

Shaq:20/10/6 60%
Lebron:30/6/7 48%
With three shooters on the floor, assists will come like a bridge to water.

erm. so will have a career year in assists and will average the pts he did 3-4 years ago ? nahh

15/7.5/2.5 more likely.

[PleezeBelieve]

*Bookmarked*
No need to bookmark. Who's going to stop them??

Boston? No.

Orlando? No.

No one in the East is capable. Lakers would have the best chance, but even then expect them to slipt in the regular season. LeBron will be better and Shaq will be motivated., With cats like Mo and Delonte being the 3rd and 4th string scorers on this team, THERE IS NO ONE THAT CAN STOP THEM.

BOOK MARK THAT.

[PleezeBelieve]

erm. so will have a career year in assists and will average the pts he did 3-4 years ago ? nahh

15/7.5/2.5 more likely.
He atleast averages 3 assists. At a minimum. For christ sakes, Danial Gibson averaged 2 assists last year. Cavs got too many weapons.

[ronnymac]

LBJ:28-8-7

Shaq:17-9-1.6 blocks

Cavs will get any where from 64 to 68 wins.

[gts]

it's not how many points they score, it's about how many they let other teams score... be prepared to be pick and rolled to death and the top of the key just became a shooting gallery for opposing teams

[23ajay]

shaq 19.5/6.5/10.5/60%
lebron 27.5/5/8.5/47%

[1~Gibson~1]

He atleast averages 3 assists. At a minimum. For christ sakes, Danial Gibson averaged 2 assists last year. Cavs got too many weapons.What's that supposed to mean? :mad:

[PleezeBelieve]

it's not how many points they score, it's about how many they let other teams score... be prepared to be pick and rolled to death and the top of the key just became a shooting gallery for opposing teams
You mean the same thing that happened with Z as our starting center last year?

Greeeeaat logic, bud.

[HylianNightmare]

No need to bookmark. Who's going to stop them??

Boston? No.

Orlando? No.

No one in the East is capable. Lakers would have the best chance, but even then expect them to slipt in the regular season. LeBron will be better and Shaq will be motivated., With cats like Mo and Delonte being the 3rd and 4th string scorers on this team, THERE IS NO ONE THAT CAN STOP THEM.

BOOK MARK THAT.

orlando? yes just like they did this year...when you said the cavs were going to win 3 straight...:hammerhead:

[MaxFly]

Book what I say.

Didn't you say that about the Cavs winning a championship this year?

[west]

You mean the same thing that happened with Z as our starting center last year?

Greeeeaat logic, bud.
I don't see much difference between Shaq and Big Z when defending pick n roll.:oldlol:

[plowking]

Didn't you say that about the Cavs winning a championship this year?

I think he also said something about leaving if they didn't...

[1~Gibson~1]

I think he also said something about leaving if they didn't...yep. then he made a thread saying that we'd miss him if he left :oldlol:


I don't see much difference between Shaq and Big Z when defending pick n roll.:oldlol: that's his point. Shaq is more mobile than Z and Z really didnt get exposed on the PnR, he got exposed on defense in the paint.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

I predict Lebron/Shaq get frustrated with the offense.
Lebron gets frustrated because he is 1st dumping into Shaq, then not getting the ball back until too late in the clock.
Shaq gets frustrated because he is not getting enuf looks.

Team fails because Shaq can't play D like he used to...and when he does, he just gets into foul trouble.

Words are then exchanged.
Shaq asks to be traded.
Lebron demands a trade to either NY or NJ.

the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame then moves to Memphis.

City of Cleveland erupts into violence and finally asks the Fed Gov't for a bailout.

[PleezeBelieve]

I think he also said something about leaving if they didn't...
Does someone pay you to follow me around? Go adopt an African child or something...

[1~Gibson~1]

I predict Lebron/Shaq get frustrated with the offense.
Lebron gets frustrated because he is 1st dumping into Shaq, then not getting the ball back until too late in the clock.
Shaq gets frustrated because he is not getting enuf looks.

Team fails because Shaq can't play D like he used to...and when he does, he just gets into foul trouble.

Words are then exchanged.
Shaq asks to be traded.
Lebron demands a trade to either NY or NJ.

the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame then moves to Memphis.

City of Cleveland erupts into violence and finally asks the Fed Gov't for a bailout.:oldlol:

that's exactly what you haters want to happen

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

:oldlol:

that's exactly what you haters want to happen

:roll:
not really: I want the R&R Hall of Fame to stay in Cleveland!
:roll:

[west]

Does someone pay you to follow me around? Go adopt an African child or something...
No one following you,all you do is talk big but couldn't back it up,basically you are just a attention whore.:oldlol:

:oldlol:

that's exactly what you haters want to happen
Yep.:D

[snipes12]

0 and done

[visirale]

No need to bookmark. Who's going to stop them??

Boston? No.

Orlando? No.

No one in the East is capable. Lakers would have the best chance, but even then expect them to slipt in the regular season. LeBron will be better and Shaq will be motivated., With cats like Mo and Delonte being the 3rd and 4th string scorers on this team, THERE IS NO ONE THAT CAN STOP THEM.

BOOK MARK THAT.

Sounds awfully cocky for a team that was one miracle shot away from getting swept by Orlando.

Stop touting Mo and Delonte like they are superstars. They aren't. Mo didn't even deserve to be an all-star. The people didn't vote for him to be a starter, the coaches didn't vote for him to be a reserve. D. Stern put him in after Lebron had to lobby for him. Then he shriveled up and died in the playoffs.

I predict CLE will do the same thing it did last year. Dominate against the crappy teams in the regular season, struggle with the good ones. Roll through the first round or so of the playoffs and then fold as soon as they hit a legitimate contender.

[lakerfreak]

Lebron: 29/7/7
Shaq: 17/8/2.5 (assists)
Mo Will: 16 ppg on 45% shooting


Their record won't be as good because it'll take Lebron and Shaq some time to co-exist. Advancing in the playoffs will depend how Shaq is liking his role.

[InfiniteBaskets]

Shaq:20/10/6 60%
Lebron:30/6/7 48%
With three shooters on the floor, assists will come like a bridge to water.

Lol Cleveland's "All-star" PG only averaged 4.1 assists last year. Cavs fans can say that LeBron was the one who ran the offense and racked up assists, well then what makes Mo Williams an all-star PG, aside from the fact that he can knock down shots when he gets open looks?

Anyways, so Shaq is supposed to get more assists than their all star PG? Also, if Shaq is doubled most of the time the guy he passes out to doesn't just shoot an open shot, the ball moves around and Shaq maybe will get a hockey assist, which is useless here.

Shaq will likely average 13/7/2.5 and I'd say 3-4 turnovers per game given he starts for Cavs.

LeBron will be LeBron, but he's the MVP so that's expected.

[1~Gibson~1]

Lol Cleveland's "All-star" PG only averaged 4.1 assists last year. Cavs fans can say that LeBron was the one who ran the offense and racked up assists, well then what makes Mo Williams an all-star PG, aside from the fact that he can knock down shots when he gets open looks?

Anyways, so Shaq is supposed to get more assists than their all star PG? Also, if Shaq is doubled most of the time the guy he passes out to doesn't just shoot an open shot, the ball moves around and Shaq maybe will get a hockey assist, which is useless here.

Shaq will likely average 13/7/2.5 and I'd say 3-4 turnovers per game given he starts for Cavs.

LeBron will be LeBron, but he's the MVP so that's expected.Mo Williams is a scoring PG, he isnt expected to be get alot of assists and there's no point in arguing with a person that says that Shaq will average 6 assists :banghead:

[inclinerator]

shaq 17 57 percent field goal 9 rebs 2 assist
lebron 26 50 perecent field goal 7 rebs 8 assist

sounds about right

[lbj23clutch]

Lebron-30/8/8 52fg%
Shaq-16/8/3(assists) 61fg%
Mo-15/3/5 44fg%

Cavs 09-10 record: 68-14

[Roundball_Rock]

I am surprised that most people are predicting that Shaq will either maintain his 2009 production or increase it. Shaq will be a year older next season. 16/8 is more realistic. Even as the focal point in Phoenix he was averaging "only" 17.3 points during the first half of the season. He averaged 18+ in the second half, but that was due to the increased pace under the revived SSOL. The Cavs' pace is much slower and slower than even the Suns' pace under Porter. Even if Shaq is as good as he was last year there is no way he can match his 17 ppg pre-SSOL. The Cavs' pace is slower and he has Lebron there taking the lion's share of the team's shots, much more than Amare did in PHX. A slower pace, less shots=less points. Add to that aging and PB's line is probably the best realistic scenario for Cavs' fans for Shaq.

Let me guess, though: Lebron will "make Shaq better." Lebron has shown no ability to make his teammates better. Look at their records with and without him. Some improve, some decline. All in all it is a wash. Shaq shot 64% during the second half of last season under the SSOL. There is no way he does that next season with Magic Johnson under the Cavs' offense, let alone Lebron.

The other oddity is people have a 17-20 ppg scorer showing up replacing a 13 ppg guy yet most people are predicting Lebron's scoring to stay the same or actually increase. :confusedshrug:

[ShaqAttack3234]

Lebron will average 26/7/7 with about 2 steals and 1 block on 49-50% shooting.

Shaq will probably average 16/9 on 61% shooting with about 2 assists and 1.5 blocks.

[OneMoreSucka]

Swept in the first round.

[chitownsfinest]

Lebron: 26/7/8
Shaq: 16/8/2

[Hiei]

This Cavs team the chance to be the biggest bust in history with all this hype...

[Dave3]

Swept in the first round.
Pchh, won't even make the playoffs LOL.
I see this as a great opportunity for LeBron to become quicker with the ball and making decisions, so as to not waste too much of the shot clock, and improve his jumper as he'll be forced to stay on the perimeter more often. Because of that, I see him taking a while to get used to it, and for that I see stats like
27, 7, 7 on 47% FG with Shaq getting
15/8 on 58% shooting.

[Dave3]

This Cavs team the chance to be the biggest bust in history with all this hype...
The hype is stupid. James' and Shaq's games most likely won't mesh that great, and Shaq is going to be 37 or 38 years old this year. There's almost a 99% chance that their regular season record won't be as good as it was this year, because this year they overachieved.

[inclinerator]

exactly why should there be any hype its not like their team is or even will be as great as this years

[LA_Showtime]

Does this mean LeBron James finally has help?

[Lebron23]

LeBron James- 29 ppg, 7 rpg, 9 apg ( 38 MPG)

Shaquille O'Neal - 16 ppg, 8 rpg ( 29 MPG)

[inclinerator]

LeBron James- 29 ppg, 7 rpg, 9 apg ( 38 MPG)

Shaquille O'Neal - 16 ppg, 8 rpg ( 29 MPG)
shut up bish

[Harison]

Lebron: 29-7-7

Shaq: 16-8

Cavs: ~65 wins.

[oballers4life]

So Orlando can't stop the Cavs.

I thought it was a clear decision last year. Magic gets swept.

If LeBron wouldn't have made that shot the Magic would've swept the Cavs.

[inclinerator]

if rashard lewis would not have hit those 2 game winner 3s blah blah the cavs woulda won

[cavsfanatic]

Our offense was perimeter oriented last season. Our offense changed in the playoffs but we still averaged 100 ppg vs orlando. Some plays we had delonte run pg and sometimes mo and sometimes lebron. Anyhow

Lebron
25/8/8 on 49 %

Shaq
16/7/3 on 55%

Mo
18/4/5

I'm expecting big things from mo cuz I think he feels responsible for us losing to the magic. It was his first playoffs and he tried to hard.

Its gone take us a while to get used to playing inside out so I'm gone say we win 55-62 games

[cavsfanatic]

So Orlando can't stop the Cavs.

I thought it was a clear decision last year. Magic gets swept.

If LeBron wouldn't have made that shot the Magic would've swept the Cavs.
Rashards shot in gm 1 was the killer. You don't understand yet how big losing turk is gonna be. Lebron can guard rashard now cuz delonte always guards vince good. Losing lee was so big also. Vince is better than turk but turks length and clutch shots was a key vs us. Woo

[TheGreatDeraj]

LeBron: 27/7/8 51%

Shaq: 15/8/3.5 58%


Sounds good, right? Well if this is the case, Cavs will win 73 games next season. I really don't hoow this can be refuted. Shaq will need only 10-12 a game to get those averages. Basically Cleveland will CAKEWALK through the regular season.

And if you doubt what I'm saying, you really don't understand how weak Z was last year. Cavs had no post presense the entire season. Z was basically a PF more than center. He provided just adequate defensive presense.

And the Cavs STILL won 66 games.

Book what I say.

:roll: oh lawd. Great stuff. keep it up.



No need to bookmark. Who's going to stop them??

Boston? No.

Orlando? No.

No one in the East is capable. Lakers would have the best chance, but even then expect them to slipt in the regular season. LeBron will be better and Shaq will be motivated., With cats like Mo and Delonte being the 3rd and 4th string scorers on this team, THERE IS NO ONE THAT CAN STOP THEM.

BOOK MARK THAT.

Didn't you say that when the Cavs got Larry Hughes?

[Lebron23]

LeBron James = #23
Shaquille O'Neal = #33

Cleveland Cavaliers Tribute to the 1990's Chicago Bulls.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Xd7W6OPSCuI/SSbsBxuzDdI/AAAAAAAABtg/mGgk_x3rWh4/s400/9293PlayoffsJordanPippenTalk.jpg

[Harison]

LeBron James = #23
Shaquille O'Neal = #33

Cleveland Cavaliers Tribute to the 1990's Chicago Bulls.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Xd7W6OPSCuI/SSbsBxuzDdI/AAAAAAAABtg/mGgk_x3rWh4/s400/9293PlayoffsJordanPippenTalk.jpg
Touche :oldlol:

[PleezeBelieve]

LeBron James = #23
Shaquille O'Neal = #33

Cleveland Cavaliers Tribute to the 1990's Chicago Bulls.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Xd7W6OPSCuI/SSbsBxuzDdI/AAAAAAAABtg/mGgk_x3rWh4/s400/9293PlayoffsJordanPippenTalk.jpg
:hammertime:

[1~Gibson~1]

So Orlando can't stop the Cavs.

I thought it was a clear decision last year. Magic gets swept.

If LeBron wouldn't have made that shot the Magic would've swept the Cavs.I would say ever since the Shaq trade the two teams are just about even. Shaq can play dwight one-on-one and we wont have to leave any of the shooters open.

[clayton]

It doesn't matter what they will average in the normal season. They won't make it to the finals.

[nbastatus]

Bron - 28/7/8
Shaq - 16/8/3

[ConanRulesNBC]

LeBron: 27/7/8 51%

Shaq: 15/8/3.5 58%


Sounds good, right? Well if this is the case, Cavs will win 73 games next season. I really don't hoow this can be refuted. Shaq will need only 10-12 a game to get those averages. Basically Cleveland will CAKEWALK through the regular season.

And if you doubt what I'm saying, you really don't understand how weak Z was last year. Cavs had no post presense the entire season. Z was basically a PF more than center. He provided just adequate defensive presense.

And the Cavs STILL won 66 games.

Book what I say.

Uh... no. I'm surprised that they even won 66 games this season. They proved they weren't that good in the Magic series. There's no way they're beating the Bulls record.

You want to know who could beat the Bulls record?

Paul
Kobe
LeBron
Duncan
Dwight Howard

If a team managed to sign all those players that's the only team that would beat the Bulls record. There's no way the Cavs are coming close.

[1~Gibson~1]

It doesn't matter what they will average in the normal season. They won't make it to the finals.http://www.vqaddict.com/hosted/AnasPics/riku%20dont%20be%20afraid.gif

[ConanRulesNBC]

LeBron James = #23
Shaquille O'Neal = #33

Cleveland Cavaliers Tribute to the 1990's Chicago Bulls.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Xd7W6OPSCuI/SSbsBxuzDdI/AAAAAAAABtg/mGgk_x3rWh4/s400/9293PlayoffsJordanPippenTalk.jpg

Only if this was Shaq from '99-2002.

[D-Rose]

I don't think it matters if the Cavs go 82-0, they'll still lose to Orlando :oldlol:

[1~Gibson~1]

I don't think it matters if the Cavs go 82-0, they'll still lose to Orlando :oldlol::no:

[InfiniteBaskets]

Shaq's biggest weakness is still going to be expose, which is his defense off the pick and roll. And Orlando ran that play to death with Dwight Howard up front.

How are the Cavs going to defend the Nelson Dwight pick and roll game? Also, if the Magic somehow get Hedo back, that would be an even more devastating pick and roll game b/c you have to stay with Hedo yet you need to defend Howard and Shaq has been slow to get back ever since his days in Miami.

[1~Gibson~1]

Shaq's biggest weakness is still going to be expose, which is his defense off the pick and roll. And Orlando ran that play to death with Dwight Howard up front.

How are the Cavs going to defend the Nelson Dwight pick and roll game? Also, if the Magic somehow get Hedo back, that would be an even more devastating pick and roll game b/c you have to stay with Hedo yet you need to defend Howard and Shaq has been slow to get back ever since his days in Miami.if Z can do it, shaq can. and the cavs are going to play TEAM defense, not just 2-on-2

[cavsfanatic]

Shaq's biggest weakness is still going to be expose, which is his defense off the pick and roll. And Orlando ran that play to death with Dwight Howard up front.

How are the Cavs going to defend the Nelson Dwight pick and roll game? Also, if the Magic somehow get Hedo back, that would be an even more devastating pick and roll game b/c you have to stay with Hedo yet you need to defend Howard and Shaq has been slow to get back ever since his days in Miami.
If they get hedo back I will be worried. Hedo ran the pick and roll and it was hard for us to stop cuz hedo was 6'10... I'll take nelson shooting off the screen all day over turk.

[lilgodfather1]

LeBron will be at 26(p)/10(a)/9(r)
Shaq will be 15(p)/8(r)/3(a)

I think the important thing here is that Delontes numbers should improve. He will be ouur x factor next year.

[west]

:cheers:

[Disaprine]

LeBron: 27/7/8 51%

Shaq: 15/8/3.5 58%


Sounds good, right? Well if this is the case, Cavs will win 73 games next season. I really don't hoow this can be refuted. Shaq will need only 10-12 a game to get those averages. Basically Cleveland will CAKEWALK through the regular season.

And if you doubt what I'm saying, you really don't understand how weak Z was last year. Cavs had no post presense the entire season. Z was basically a PF more than center. He provided just adequate defensive presense.

And the Cavs STILL won 66 games.

Book what I say.
Classic

[sixer6ad]

So Orlando can't stop the Cavs.

I thought it was a clear decision last year. Magic gets swept.

If LeBron wouldn't have made that shot the Magic would've swept the Cavs.

Great series win for you last May; however, please don't forget:

- Cavs had a 22-point lead in Game 1 and Rashard Lewis hit a game winner
- Cavs had a 15-point lead in Game 2 and Hedo hit the game winner before Lebron
- In Game 4, Cavs had the lead and Delonte had the game-winning rebound go off his hands when he fell. Then...Rashard Lewis hit a 3 to win the game!

This always mystified me when people looked at this series. I always heard about the Orlando sweep "if Lebron wouldn't have hit the game winner". How can you take his away in these scenarios and not take away the 3 that the Magic hit?

[sixer6ad]

Classic

Boston...I, unfortunately have to hate you, but I am laughing with you at this ridiculous post made last summer.

[rs98762001]

Shaq averaging 10 and 7. It's painful to watch him play these days. The Ewing/Hakeem slide writ larger.

[steeph28]

haha

[Real Men Wear Green]

Unfortunately, PB has no real sense of shame. He will constantly write dumb **** (you should NOT see what gets deleted) and when he's called out on it will ignore it and just write other dumb ****. All of it pro-Cleveland, of course. We can bump threads like this all we want, but he'll still be the same jackass. Nothing is learned...ever.

God help us all when James finally leads a team to a Championship and PB can finally claim to have been "right."

[DukeDelonte13]

Shaq averaging 10 and 7. It's painful to watch him play these days. The Ewing/Hakeem slide writ larger.



sigh... people really think Shaq was brought over to be the cener piece of the cavs offense or something :banghead: 10 and 7 plus a few drawn fouls in 20 minutes is a center performance that any team could use.

[Allstar24]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

This guy is the definition of a real life loser. He's so dumb and delusional, I'm starting to feel sorry for him.

[Real Men Wear Green]

sigh... people really think Shaq was brought over to be the cener piece of the cavs offense or something :banghead: 10 and 7 plus a few drawn fouls in 20 minutes is a center performance that any team could use.
He has some value but no one brings in Shaq thinking "10 points, 7 rebounds? Great." They brought him in hoping to get some offense in the low post. Else, why would you get Shaq? He's making something like 20 mil this season, you don't pay 20 mil for 10 and 7.

[DukeDelonte13]

He has some value but no one brings in Shaq thinking "10 points, 7 rebounds? Great." They brought him in hoping to get some offense in the low post. Else, why would you get Shaq? He's making something like 20 mil this season, you don't pay 20 mil for 10 and 7.


Shaq isn't getting the minutes he got in phoenix. Danny Ferry didn't make him the contract for 20 million dollars man, it what he already had. Cavs owner is all about spending money... he'll spend it till the cows come home. Besides, 20 million + Z's 11 million at the end of the year is a lot of cap space coming off the books for the 2010 bonanza. Cavs can sign bron after they already sign another big name because of the bird rights.

[plowking]

Shaq isn't getting the minutes he got in phoenix. Danny Ferry didn't make him the contract for 20 million dollars man, it what he already had. Cavs owner is all about spending money... he'll spend it till the cows come home. Besides, 20 million + Z's 11 million at the end of the year is a lot of cap space coming off the books for the 2010 bonanza. Cavs can sign bron after they already sign another big name because of the bird rights.

Did you just forget to factor in that they're way over the cap now? Shaq, Z and Lebron make up nearly all of next year's most likely salary cap alone. Then you have the role players that push you way over the limit, and Andy's stupid contract. You will hardly have any money to play with, and no big name will be able to sign with you.

[niko]

Shaq isn't getting the minutes he got in phoenix. Danny Ferry didn't make him the contract for 20 million dollars man, it what he already had. Cavs owner is all about spending money... he'll spend it till the cows come home. Besides, 20 million + Z's 11 million at the end of the year is a lot of cap space coming off the books for the 2010 bonanza. Cavs can sign bron after they already sign another big name because of the bird rights.

You cannot sign anyone unless you renounce Lebron's rights, which I am thinking is most likely not happening. You are capped out.

[DukeDelonte13]

Did you just forget to factor in that they're way over the cap now? Shaq, Z and Lebron make up nearly all of next year's most likely salary cap alone. Then you have the role players that push you way over the limit, and Andy's stupid contract. You will hardly have any money to play with, and no big name will be able to sign with you.


wtf are u talking about? If the cavs resign either shaq or z (who may be retiring anyways) they aren't going to pay them no where near the amount they are making now. Andy is only making 7 million a year. None of the Cavs role players have bad contracts. Cavs are over now yes but its not like they are going to give shaq another 20 million or something...

[Real Men Wear Green]

Shaq isn't getting the minutes he got in phoenix. Danny Ferry didn't make him the contract for 20 million dollars man, it what he already had. Cavs owner is all about spending money... he'll spend it till the cows come home. Besides, 20 million + Z's 11 million at the end of the year is a lot of cap space coming off the books for the 2010 bonanza. Cavs can sign bron after they already sign another big name because of the bird rights.
If they let Shaq and Z expire and renounce Powe and Williams they're still around 50 mil. If James doesn't exercise his option, they'll be around 33 mil. In that case, they can only sign a max guy if they renounce their Bird Rights on James. By rule a team cannot sign an FA from another team and then try and "Bird Rights" back one of their own if it takes them over the cap. Neither Bosh nor Wade is going to come in for the MLE. And James certainly won't either. Barring more cap space clearing trades (which are unlikely with almost everyone trying to do the same thing) the best Cleveland can hope for is just to keep James in town this offseason.

So, with that cleared up, Shaq is going to have to be far more productive to justify that trade. Whether they signed him or not the Cavs new he was due 20 mil when they brought him in. Do you honestly believed they traded for him expecting 10 and 7? This is a team trying to win a Championship here. No team has ever won a title spending that much money on a guy that produced at such a pedestrian level.

[plowking]

wtf are u talking about? If the cavs resign either shaq or z (who may be retiring anyways) they aren't going to pay them no where near the amount they are making now. Andy is only making 7 million a year. None of the Cavs role players have bad contracts. Cavs are over now yes but its not like they are going to give shaq another 20 million or something...

Lebron - 18 mil
Mo - 9 mil
Andy - 6 mil
West - 4 mil
Parker - 3 mil
Moon - 3 mil
Gibson - 4 mil

That's 47 million right there. Cap is most likely 50-52 mil. Who's that star you're signing for 4 million?

EDIT: Actually less than 4 million seeing as I didn't count every role player. You might have nothing but the MLE to work with...

[niko]

wtf are u talking about? If the cavs resign either shaq or z (who may be retiring anyways) they aren't going to pay them no where near the amount they are making now. Andy is only making 7 million a year. None of the Cavs role players have bad contracts. Cavs are over now yes but its not like they are going to give shaq another 20 million or something...

the fact you may lose Z and Shaq is worse, not better. at least if you resigned Z with bird rights and he was a great center you could keep a great team together. As it is now you will be asking LBJ to resign with a team that will be at best the same as this year and at worse, lack big men even more.

Shaq not being a productive Shaq is a big issue.

[niko]

Lebron - 18 mil
Mo - 9 mil
Andy - 6 mil
West - 4 mil
Parker - 3 mil
Moon - 3 mil
Gibson - 4 mil

That's 47 million right there. Cap is most likely 50-52 mil. Who's that star you're signing for 4 million?

EDIT: Actually less than 4 million seeing as I didn't count every role player. You might have nothing but the MLE to work with...

they won't have the MLE if they go into the offseason with cap space. you only get the MLE if you are over the cap.

[D-Rose]

So basically the Cavs are stuck with who they have this year even for next year?

[niko]

So basically the Cavs are stuck with who they have this year even for next year?

They need to trade their expiring contracts for valuable players who will be around into next year. I think valuable and i think someone who can push them over the top and help them win a title and is a winner. Cav fans think TROY MURPHY, which makes be break out into hysterical giggles thinking about LBJ sitting in the locker room, when they get knocked out this year, staring at this bunch of losers they surrounded him with for hte next few years. :D

[MaxFly]

Classic bump... What's the over and under that pleezebelieve and phoenix will actually come in here and address any of this?

[Real Men Wear Green]

Best thing they could do is trade Shaq to some team that wants to blow it up and is looking to unload their (probably overpaid) star player. See if they can make Shaq for Okafor+ other bad contracts happen. James might see Okafor as the kind of big he needs, closer in age, a bit more mobile, good defender, competent offensively.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Classic bump... What's the over and under that pleezebelieve and phoenix will actually come in here and address any of this?
Phoenix might (though I doubt it). PB, no way.

[MeLO MvP 15]

Trade shaq for eddy curry and wilson chandler and david lee... i think the knicks do it, but the only reason either team wouldnt do it is, they dont want eachother to sign lebron

dont matter cuz hes going to miami :D

[che guevara]

He has some value but no one brings in Shaq thinking "10 points, 7 rebounds? Great." They brought him in hoping to get some offense in the low post. Else, why would you get Shaq? He's making something like 20 mil this season, you don't pay 20 mil for 10 and 7.
Actually, I think most Cavs fans wanted Shaq so he could contain guys like Dwight and Bynum. They were expecting to get something like 14 points and 8-9 rebounds, too, but that wasn't the primary reason why he was brought in. Shaq is one of my favorite players, though, and I definitely expected more this year.

[OneMoreSucka]

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[west]

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[Diesel J]

LBJ:28-8-7

Shaq:17-9-1.6 blocks

Cavs will get any where from 64 to 68 wins.

not that far off so far:applause:

[Disaprine]

not that far off so far:applause:
you bumped this travesty for that :roll:

[Juges8932]

erm. so will have a career year in assists and will average the pts he did 3-4 years ago ? nahh

15/7.5/2.5 more likely.

That's what I'm thinking. I could see him averaging 3 though. He likes to pass and make plays.